Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without authentication. Do the freenode webchat users not get assigned the IP address of the user connecting to the web server rather than the IP address of the webserver itself? IIRC for the Indymedia webchat we implemented the former. They get an encoding of the IP which is constant if the official webchat interface is being used. Unfortunately, people tend to use them (and tor) as a mechanism to hide their identity so that they can be a nuisance, and it means that any time we ban someone by IP, we later have to come back and ban their encoded IP on the webchat, etc. My real concern is for uncoordinated webchats, though. We try to keep coordinated ones unbanned in #debian, but if a problem comes from them, we tend to err on silencing them instead. Don Armstrong -- It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -- Frederick Douglass http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100927210936.gm22...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
How can we devise problems and find solutions, without doing an experiment? I think there types of libre #channels and private. Proposal: To access the private channel, the user must have a registred nickname on the OFTC and be nominated by other users who have access to the private channel. Example: #debian-*any*, #debian-people, #debian-local-team, etc. (libre users and anonymous)... #debian-project (private, only with password or invite.) I believe that a web interface facilitates and increases participation. Example in DebConf10 when he was in the WebChat http://debianart.org/live (cgiirc on OFTC) .ValessioBrito Citando Don Armstrong d...@debian.org: On Sat, 25 Sep 2010, Paul Wise wrote: On Tue, Aug 24, 2010 at 3:28 AM, Don Armstrong d...@debian.org wrote: Almost invariably, web-based chats like this that are launched without coordination with the network that they are talking to lead to abuse and the eventually banning and/or k-lining of involved hosts. #debian routinely bans the webchat on freenode, and I've no doubt that we'll be routinely banning other web chats which are used without authentication. Do the freenode webchat users not get assigned the IP address of the user connecting to the web server rather than the IP address of the webserver itself? IIRC for the Indymedia webchat we implemented the former. They get an encoding of the IP which is constant if the official webchat interface is being used. Unfortunately, people tend to use them (and tor) as a mechanism to hide their identity so that they can be a nuisance, and it means that any time we ban someone by IP, we later have to come back and ban their encoded IP on the webchat, etc. My real concern is for uncoordinated webchats, though. We try to keep coordinated ones unbanned in #debian, but if a problem comes from them, we tend to err on silencing them instead. Don Armstrong -- It is easier to build strong children than to repair broken men. -- Frederick Douglass http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- ://ValessioBrito.info Comunicação e Tecnologia mobile: +55 71 VALESSIO -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100927224348.10521uwl4vmvh...@ssl.eumx.net
Re: webchat/cgiirc on irc.debian.org
On Mon, 27 Sep 2010, Valessio S Brito wrote: How can we devise problems and find solutions, without doing an experiment? Freenode already has one, which can be used. If people want one for OFTC[1] they should work with OFTC to create one. I believe that a web interface facilitates and increases participation. Example in DebConf10 when he was in the WebChat http://debianart.org/live (cgiirc on OFTC) Consider yourself volunteered! I'm not against it, I'm just pointing out problems that may not have been foreseen so whoever steps up to do the work can avoid those pitfalls. Don Armstrong 1: There may already be one in existence; I didn't find it with a few minutes of searching, though. -- It was a very familiar voice. [...] It was a voice you could have used to open a bottle of whine. -- Terry Pratchett _The Last Continent_ p270 http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100928043619.gw6...@teltox.donarmstrong.com
