Re: 1 year release good enough.
dE . wrote: Thus, it's critical to hate and make people hate Microsoft and dive into politics in order to make opensource desktops successful. No. Hate is definitively the wrong way to propagate FLOSS. It should be a together, not an against each other. (Counts for the the big companies, too, though. IMHO parts of Microsoft and Apple are on the right way already.) Rather, I personally have a more aggressive philosophy. Obviously. There's enough aggression on Debian's mailing lists already. We surely don't need more of it, more to the opposite. Regards, Axel -- ,''`. | Axel Beckert a...@debian.org, http://people.debian.org/~abe/ : :' : | Debian Developer, ftp.ch.debian.org Admin `. `' | 1024D: F067 EA27 26B9 C3FC 1486 202E C09E 1D89 9593 0EDE `-| 4096R: 2517 B724 C5F6 CA99 5329 6E61 2FF9 CD59 6126 16B5 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120103151039.gy20...@sym.noone.org
Re: 1 year release good enough.
On Jan 3, 2012, at 16:10, Axel Beckert wrote: dE . wrote: Thus, it's critical to hate and make people hate Microsoft and dive into politics in order to make opensource desktops successful. No. Hate is definitively the wrong way to propagate FLOSS. I agree. Hate is counter-productive. Rather, I personally have a more aggressive philosophy. Obviously. There's enough aggression on Debian's mailing lists already. We surely don't need more of it, more to the opposite. +1 Jeremiah -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/c9cb2efc-cbc1-41c1-ae24-4d00456fc...@jeremiahfoster.com
Re: 1 year release good enough.
On Sun, Jan 01, 2012 at 01:40:36PM -0500, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote: Well put Russ!!! Fully ACK. Relative percentage is not that important as long as absolute number is positive, which means that fun goes on and our efforts are of benefit ;) And depending on the audience (field of endeavor, habbits etc) statistics might vary [e.g. 1] ;-) [1] http://neuro.debian.net/blog/2011/2011-06-27_software_survey.html I can perfectly confirm this. From a Debian Med perspective I can say that while there are some comparable initiatives in Fedora and SuSE these do not really fly. Today I had a discussion with a Fedora GSoC student who sees his work in danger of becoming orphaned because nobody really cares about his packages of medical software and also SuSE medical seems to make more annoucements rather than packaging work. So my idea is (and sorry for repeating myself over and over) that we can perfectly dart into specific fields because we are involving experts in those fields. The Fedora Medical guy mentioned that there is a lack of management work. And I can confirm that this is perfectly what I'm observing in several Debian internal projects. To boil it down to some specific projects I have observed in the last time: Debian Games, Debian Multimedia, Debian GIS and Debian Enterprise - all these projects (while potentially targeting at a much larger user base than Debian Med) are lacking what I would call project management in the sense that people claim to be busy enough with packaging and do not have time for other things (like talking to people - upstream and users, telling them how to become involved and setting specific standards and goals). I'm pretty sure that if I would have kept on packaging only from the beginning Debian Med would have way less than 1/3 of its current number of packages, way less than 1/3 of ist current number of active team members and way less of users. Finally it is fun to work in a healthy team. So please keep in mind that enhancing Debian is not only adding packages to a pool but also how to form strong teams around a set of packages to make the packaging sustainable. I'm quite convinced that this strategy will lead to an increasing number of users and that it is even more important than the frequency of releases. Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120103154737.gd6...@an3as.eu
Re: 1 year release good enough.
On Tue, 03 Jan 2012 03:35:51 +0530, dE . de.tec...@gmail.com wrote: ... GNU is a wildebeest which's vulnerable to Lions (MS), and sometimes leopards (Apple), and Debian is one of the wildebeests. Vulnerable, how? Microsoft put quite some effort into trying to stamp out free software, and that was Microsoft in its prime -- and they failed. If MS are Lions, and Apple are leopards, then I'd say Free Software is Fungus -- capable of taking their excrement and turning it into something useful, while otherwise growing at it's own pace, largely indifferent to the activities of the live-fast die-young corporations. Admittedly, Microsoft are now trying to use the patent system as fungicide, but I think the wider population are waking up to just how toxic that stuff is for everyone, especially when misused. Cheers, Phil. -- |)| Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]http://www.hands.com/ |-| HANDS.COM Ltd.http://www.uk.debian.org/ |(| 10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London E18 1NE ENGLAND -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/87vcos22jo@poker.hands.com
Volunteers for Debian Booth at Scale 10x in Los Angeles, CA, January 21 and 22, 2012
I am once again organizing a Debian Booth at Scale 10x in LA, CA,[1] and as always am looking for volunteers to help staff the booth. Also, if you wish to provide demo(s) appropriate for the booth, please let me know. If you are available and wish to help, please send e-mail to me with your availability, and I will respond with registration instructions. Don Armstrong 1: http://www.socallinuxexpo.org/scale10x -- Sentenced to two years hard labor (for sodomy), Oscar Wilde stood handcuffed in driving rain waiting for transport to prison. If this is the way Queen Victoria treats her prisoners, he remarked, she doesn't deserve to have any. http://www.donarmstrong.com http://rzlab.ucr.edu -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20120103234901.gm21...@rzlab.ucr.edu
Re: 1 year release good enough.
On 01/03/12 20:40, Axel Beckert wrote: dE . wrote: Thus, it's critical to hate and make people hate Microsoft and dive into politics in order to make opensource desktops successful. No. Hate is definitively the wrong way to propagate FLOSS. It should be a together, not an against each other. (Counts for the the big companies, too, though. IMHO parts of Microsoft and Apple are on the right way already.) Look what Microsoft and Apple's is doing with Android. And for any task with WP7, you have to have propitiatory applications which're only available for mac/Win to do even the simplest task with the phones. And this's just 1 e.g.; look at their site, they're always doing .NET and Sliverlight to break compatibility. Not the mention the 6 software patents... Do you call that the right track? Your philosophy may be good for you all but I tend to deal them with more aggression to combat their lust for money and power. We couldn't have stopped WW2 without the atomic bomb, so peace is not always the right way and that's exactly why they're so successful. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/4f03a8fd@gmail.com
