Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread tomas
On Thu, Apr 22, 2021 at 01:02:56AM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 08:54:45PM +0200, Davide Prina wrote:

> I would like to suggest to a) never suggest AGPL;

AGPL is fine, for the purpose it was designed for. You
just have to know what it does.

> b) read what does AGPL actually do [...]

If you apply a license to your software, it is always a
good idea to understand it, yes :-)

Cheers
 - t


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Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 08:54:45PM +0200, Davide Prina wrote:
> I would like to suggest to use always the AGPL license, this one is the only
> license that I know that let protect your free software on any actual usage
> type.
I would like to suggest to a) never suggest AGPL; b) read what does AGPL
actually do, how is it actually different from GPL and how does it need to
be applied to software; c) think how should it be applied to this
particular software.

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Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Davide Prina
I CC to Hermann because I don't know if he has subscribe to this 
mailing-list.


On 21/04/21 12:11, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 08:00:05AM +, Hermann Ingjaldsson wrote:

I have developed a program that makes it easier to work in the terminal.
I have published it here:
https://openage.org/gg/



To be honest I couldn't understand from this page what does this software
actually do except for displaying the folder contents, for which you could
just use a much more featureful file navigator like mc (or, if one likes
toys and vim integration, run `vim .`).


I think it is not so simple to understand what that software can do, 
probably it is better that Hermann create some examples that show what 
you can do with that.


I have seen other terminal "extensions" that let you have help during 
command composition...



Would Debian be interested in including GG in the Debian system?



Debian cannot include it until it has a license (and a DFSG-free one).
But I also doubt Debian will benefit from including his software.


If I don't mistake the software don't have a copyright statement and a 
license to apply to them.


If this is correct the software cannot be used by anyone without a 
written permission signed by the copyright owner.


I suggest to Hermann to search for a license to use and then to compile 
a correct "use" of that license (== Copyright + license).


You can find an useful introduction on how to do that here, also if you 
don't select the GPL license:

https://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-howto.html

I would like to suggest to use always the AGPL license, this one is the 
only license that I know that let protect your free software on any 
actual usage type.


After you have done that and you have select a license that is 
"compatible" with Debian you can do:


1) ask is someone in Debian (a DD = Debian Developer) or someone else 
can create a package for this software and maintain it.


for doing that you can fill a bug report in the wnpp pseudo-package
you can see here the wnpp filled actually
https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/pkgreport.cgi?package=wnpp

I would warn you that this is not a good choice, because probably you 
don't will find anyone that will do that.


2) package your software yourself and do the maintenance work. You must 
find a mentor that tell you what, eventually, you have make in the wrong 
way and help you solve problems. And also a DD: someone (that can be the 
same person above) that can publish the package in the Debian repository 
for you


you can find more info here:
https://mentors.debian.net

Ciao
Davide



Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 07:01:36PM +0800,  Yao Wei (魏銘廷) wrote:
> (I suspect this a spam mail...)
Doesn't look like one to me.

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Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Marc Haber
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 03:11:26PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 08:00:05AM +, Hermann Ingjaldsson wrote:
> > I have developed a program that makes it easier to work in the terminal.
> > I have published it here:
> > https://openage.org/gg/
> To be honest I couldn't understand from this page what does this software
> actually do except for displaying the folder contents, for which you could
> just use a much more featureful file navigator like mc (or, if one likes
> toys and vim integration, run `vim .`).
> 
> > Would Debian be interested in including GG in the Debian system?
> Debian cannot include it until it has a license (and a DFSG-free one).

That being said (I agree), there needs to be a Debian Developer or a
Debian Maintainer who would be willing to do the packaging, take care of
bug reports etc. Best method would be to file a wishlist RFP (Request
for Package) with the wnpp (Work Needing and Prospective Packages)
pseudopackage in our BTS.

Greetings
Marc

P.S.: While I agree that this is an attempt of an Upstream to plug his
software, which I find legitimate, I would not call this a Spam mail.


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Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Yao Wei (魏銘廷)
(I suspect this a spam mail...)

Yao Wei

(This email is sent from a phone; sorry for HTML email if it happens.)

Re: Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 08:00:05AM +, Hermann Ingjaldsson wrote:
> I have developed a program that makes it easier to work in the terminal.
> I have published it here:
> https://openage.org/gg/
To be honest I couldn't understand from this page what does this software
actually do except for displaying the folder contents, for which you could
just use a much more featureful file navigator like mc (or, if one likes
toys and vim integration, run `vim .`).

> Would Debian be interested in including GG in the Debian system?
Debian cannot include it until it has a license (and a DFSG-free one).
But I also doubt Debian will benefit from including his software.

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Debian and GG

2021-04-21 Thread Hermann Ingjaldsson
Hello my name is Hermann and I'm an innovator.

I have developed a program that makes it easier to work in the terminal.
I have published it here:
https://openage.org/gg/

Would Debian be interested in including GG in the Debian system?

Kind regards,
Hermann,
Iceland