Re: DNS records for the Debian Academy
On Fri, Sep 30, 2022 at 03:27:02PM +0200, Dominik George wrote:
> Dashamir,
>
Dear Peers,
> > I'm afraid it is not so (look at the other message).
> > But I am not going to engage in his discourse.
>
> I'm afraid you still refuse to learn about proceedings in the Debian
> project.
>
> Also, you seem to repeatedly read "I do not want to hand over full
> control to you" as "I do not want to help you".
>
> I offered to reestablish the Moodle hosting for your project. If you
> think this is not helping you, then this is something you have to cope
> with. My only condition was that you get another DD involved.
>
> Sadly, by now, I have well-founded reasons to believe that you have
> driven all DDs in the Academy team away with your attitude.
>
> And yet, I am still willing to support your efforts, if you show some
> will to cooperate instead of insisting on taking over full power right
> from the start.
A possible way out:
* Grant people access to the new VPS
* People can work on the new VPS
* Show the world the new work
* Have future plans
* Consider again the DNS change
The road ahead with notes
* Grant[0] people[1] access[2] to the new VPS
* People[1] can work on the new VPS
* Show[3] the world[4] the new work
* Have future plans[5]
* Consider again[6] the DNS change
[0] Give
[1] Community
[2] enable
[3] have something to show
[4] opposite of alone
[5] understand that it is never finish
[6] accept that there are pauses, accept that silence is not the end of
the dialog, be aware that each party can/should restart the
conversion
Groeten
Geert Stappers
--
Tomorrow is also September
Re: Can the Debian Project ever fall?
On Mon, Jun 06, 2022 at 09:37:27AM -0500, Shayan Akbar wrote: > Hello Debian folks, > > As someone who depends on the Debian project a lot in my daily life, I > cannot seem to let this idea go... Can the linux project fall? > > How does the project maintain itself against the man's intrinsic need to > control and own? > > How many years can it stay strong and stay a free operating system > benefiting billions? > > Shayan, > A curious linux user. Be more curious and ask How to get Debian in a better shape? Yes, that implies going from good to better. Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: vfio passthrough started to crash computer around the last weekend
On Fri, Apr 08, 2022 at 10:00:49PM +0200, Jan Girke wrote: > Hi > Can somebody help me file a bug report. > I don't know how to or against which package. My attempt on finding the package name: | $ apt-file search vfio | wc | 395 790 37161 | $ > I just know the days it started, but it worked before. Tell more about the "it" that worked before. Sharing information on errors and symptoms will also help. > Best, Jan Groeten Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Debian and GitLab Open Source Partnership
On Sun, Jul 25, 2021 at 06:19:37PM +0200, Pierre-Elliott Bécue wrote: > Donald Norwood writes: > > > Dear all, > > > > Debian and GitLab have been in discussion regarding an Open Source > > Partnership toward which we will jointly produce mutual promotions, > > shared stories, and announcements using both organizations press and/or > > publicity channels. ... > > > > Out of the blue, without any more context and content, ??? "Debian" and "Gitlab" are speaking with each other since the very start of "Salsa". > I am not sure to be happy with this news. To me is the news that "press" and "marketing" are more involved. Because I assume good faith, I allow meself to focus on other stuff in (Debian) life. > To me, such a partnership is something quite stronger than sponsorship > and I'd be a bit ill-at-ease with it being done without the whole Debian > Members being consulted. Yes, a DD is allowed to represent the project. > Last but not least, what kind of data would be shared regarding how we > use gitlab in Debian? Please give the (humble) Salsa admins time to elaborate. I have no insight information about "the data", but imagine (dull??) statistics on accounts, active accounts, projects, active projects. I do trust my fellow Debian Developers to deal wisely with it. For (gory??) details I recomment to join the Salsa admin team. Groeten Geert Stappers DD Thinks that peb made a valid request, has no idea what would be a valid answer to that request. -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian and GG
On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 08:14:10PM +0500, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Apr 30, 2021 at 04:57:55PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > > if i make a bug report.. but this is not a bug. this is a program > > > > that im trying to promote. > > > Exactly. > > > Debian is not a place to promote your programs. > > > > Uhm, what are RFP bugs if not exactly a way for someone to promote the > > existence of code projects they consider relevant to get into Debian? > The main purpose of RFP bugs is to collect dust. > Also, they are created from stale ITP bugs by Bart's scripts. > And as far as RFP bugs are useful for finding software to package, I feel > like ones about software that someone finds useful but lacks the skills to > package it are much more useful than ones created by software authors. > > WBR, wRAR Andrey, We need to talk. Location https://jitsi.debian.social/ExactLocationYetUnknown Which date does suit you? Regards Geert Stappers DD -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: "gr_rms" rejected but "Debian Project Leader 2021 Election" worked
On Fri, Apr 16, 2021 at 12:43:51AM +0900, Osamu Aoki wrote: > Is this only me? That will take more data points ;-) > My Leader vote worked. So I think my new mail setup is working. Acknowledge on that. > But my gr_rms is rejected (2 cases each with main key and sub key > signed). This sounds like not my side of issue. > >Hi, > > This is an error report about your vote [record >msg00481.raw] > for the vote > "Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF >board" > sent in on Thu, 15 Apr 2021 23:37:20 +0900, with the subject > "Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's > readmission to the FSF board: Second call for votes" > The message ID is >. > The message base is msg00481. > The following errors were reported: >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >There was a problem verifying the signature on the ballot. >-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- >gpg: WARNING: unsafe permissions on homedir >'/srv/vote.debian.org/data/gr_rms' >gpg: no valid OpenPGP data found. >gpg: the signature could not be verified. >STATUS: >[GNUPG:] NODATA 1[GNUPG:] NODATA 2-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- > > This ballot is being rejected. > At https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002 is stated that the voting ends Saturday 2021-04-17 23:59:59 UTC So my "Voting period is over" is wrong. My fellow DD is dealing with something as "too late". Groeten Geert Stappers DD Cc: debian-v...@lists.debian.org -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Tone policing by a member of the community team [Was, Re: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board]
On Sun, Apr 11, 2021 at 03:06:14AM +0200, gregor herrmann wrote: > On Sun, 11 Apr 2021 01:28:45 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > > On Wed, 2021-04-07 at 21:38 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > I wonder, though -- do we have a Nazi anywhere in the project? Could you > > > point to one? > > Although I really prefer not to have them in the project, its is not the > > Debian project's task to rule about political believs, opinions, religions, > > fetishes and whatever else. > > I agree to a certain degree; as far as we talk about opinions or > beliefs, but (leftist slogan:) "fascism is not an opinion, it's a > crime" or (more verbose): I don't want to be in the same community as > people who deny other people their basic human dignity or (more > direct) who don't consider others as humans and want to kill them or > see them dead. And that's what Nationalsozialismus and facism is > about. [0] > > Cheers, > gregor > > > [0] It gets a bit more complicated when differentiating between > "classic" Nazis and neo-nazis and old Italian fascists and > neo-facists and national conservatives and the (old) "Nouvelle > Droite" and the "Neue Rechte" and the "Identitäre" and all kinds of > right-wing extremists and right-wing populist and "autoritärer > Nationalradikalismus" … But in the end it boils down to the > "Ideologie der Ungleicheit", i.e. the belief that some people are > more valuable than others. Debian is about common goals. Sometimes I think we already have them, sometimes I think we have a long way to go. Both scenarios, travelling and living at the destination, are better with a "we". A good "we" improves by mutual respect. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Mailing List Suggestions at recieving end
On Thu, Apr 01, 2021 at 12:35:18AM +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 05:21:47PM -0400, Kurt Meyer wrote: > > I would like to suggest the start of two new mailing lists. > > > > The first mailing list would list new packages (not upgrades) added to > > Debian Unstable. I realize that there is the New Packages in "Sid" page, > > but a mailing list would be more convenient in my opinion. > > > > The second mailing list would list new packages (not upgrades) added to > > Debian Backports. > > Can't you just filter debian-devel-changes via a procmail rule, > to drop source-only uploads? April first is over and it is 2021. Is procmail still the advice to people new to large amounts of emails? No maildrop? No sieve? Please share your success story (and/or lessons learnt) on email filtering. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Richard Stallman
On Thu, Mar 25, 2021 at 10:38:18AM +0100, gagz wrote: > Random Bytes: > > The Debian Project as a whole is doing a very bad job with Richard > > Stallman. You are all wrong. This is an empty hysteria. Today I took a step > > away from Debian. Hopefully every user will do the same. > > > > Someone have been harassing people for ages, making women and others feel > very uncomfortable and unlegitimate in the open source community. > > Such a person should not be accepted without hge moves:: > - acknowledgement > - apologies > - step back > - do a deep work on their oppressive behaviors > - do not ask to come back (or that's just like saying "f*** you all") > > > These things apply even when that person is called richard stallman. Being a > rockstar doesn't give anyone permission to destroy other people. > > > (I won't get here into the "this is also a systemic issue" because there are > so many articles about that on the web). > > > Have a good day, > gagz https://www.debian.org/vote/2021/vote_002
Re: Haftungsausschluss
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 10:44:57PM +0100, Clément Hermann wrote: > > Hi, > > Debian-project is an international list, using English as a > communication mean. Please use English when writing to it. So true > I'll try to answer nonetheless, apologizing if I didn't get your request > correctly (my German is so rusty it's almost non-existent). > > On 07/12/2020 20:52, Sebastian Diel wrote: > > Hallo zusammen, > > > > ich möchte um die Erlaubnis bitten, aus Eurem "Haftungsausschluss für > > die Debian-Mailinglisten" > > (<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer.de.html>) große Teile > > abzuschreiben bzw. leicht verändert zu übernehmen. It is the "leicht verändert" ( slight modifications ) that makes it tricky. > > Ich bin (ein bisschen wie die Jungfrau zum Kind) zum listowner einer > > Mailingliste mit etwa 250 Musikpädagog*innen geworden (Tendenz steigend, > > ich beerbe eine mit 1500 Personen, die demnächst zugemacht wird). > > > > Ich würde mich gerne ein wenig absichern gegen von mir evtl. zu spät > > bemerkte Urheberrechtsverstöße und andere Haftungsrisiken. Euren (oben > > verlinkten) Text finde ich klasse und hätte gerne einen ähnlichen. > > > > Dabei möchte ich mir aber unerlaubt niemandes geistiges Eigentum > > aneignen. *Mit* einer Erlaubnis dazu könnte ich mir allerdings eine > > Menge Arbeit ersparen und würde bestimmt einige (durch meine rechtliche > > Unkenntnis gefährliche) Formulierungsehler vermeiden. > > > The Debian Website, as Debian itself, is free software, and can be > redistributed, with or without modification, as long as you comply with > the licence. There is a link to the licence on every page (bottom part), > here it is: > > https://www.debian.org/license > > (you should get the german version) > > So, in short, thanks for your nice words (the authors and german > translators of this page will probably appreciate), but asking for > permission is not even necessary in this case (as long as you comply > with the license terms). :) Yes, usualy are modifications allowed. Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Haftungsausschluss
On Mon, Dec 07, 2020 at 08:52:30PM +0100, Sebastian Diel wrote: > Hallo zusammen, > > ich möchte um die Erlaubnis bitten, Translates to I'm asking for permission litaraly more polite like Please allow me / please grant me permission > aus Eurem "Haftungsausschluss für die Debian-Mailinglisten" > (<https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/disclaimer.de.html>) große Teile > abzuschreiben bzw. leicht verändert zu übernehmen. Re-use of the disclaimer > Ich bin (ein bisschen wie die Jungfrau zum Kind) zum listowner einer > Mailingliste mit etwa 250 Musikpädagog*innen geworden (Tendenz steigend, > ich beerbe eine mit 1500 Personen, die demnächst zugemacht wird). New to being an admin of mailinglists. > Ich würde mich gerne ein wenig absichern gegen von mir evtl. zu spät > bemerkte Urheberrechtsverstöße und andere Haftungsrisiken. "copyright""liability" > Euren (oben verlinkten) Text finde ich klasse und hätte gerne einen ähnlichen. > > Dabei möchte ich mir aber unerlaubt niemandes geistiges Eigentum > aneignen. *Mit* einer Erlaubnis dazu könnte ich mir allerdings eine > Menge Arbeit ersparen und würde bestimmt einige (durch meine rechtliche > Unkenntnis gefährliche) Formulierungsehler vermeiden. > > Herzliche Grüße! > > Sebastian Diel Better to ask at debian-le...@lists.debian.org (I have them added to To: ) Groeten Geert Stappers DD, IANAL -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: How to Fix the apt-get install error: “Media change: please insert the disc labeled ...” in Debian 10.
On Thu, Nov 19, 2020 at 04:04:55PM +0800, Edgar Villanueva Jr wrote: > I was amazed by the description that Debian is robust and reliable etc. So > I decided to install it. But when I try to install from terminal "Fix the > apt-get install error: “Media change: please insert the disc labeled ...” > appears. Look to me like a left over from installation. Edit the file /etc/apt/sources.list > I can't also install software thru discover. > > I really need help with these things. > > Thank you! You are welcome, especial on more on-topic-mailing-lists. Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Creating a Salsa account
On Wed, Jul 08, 2020 at 06:11:30PM +0200, Daniel Lange wrote: > Am 08.07.20 um 18:05 schrieb Shachar Shemesh: > > On 08/07/2020 18:58, Daniel Lange wrote: > > } May be you can join #salsa on IRC (OFTC) and get more iterative help > > there? > > } (Update: I see you already joined there a few minutes ago :)) > > > Salsa support is alternatively available via > > > https://salsa.debian.org/salsa/support/-/issues as well. > > > > Guess what I need to do in order to open a new ticket. No, go on. Guess. > > Creating another user with a working email or asking a friend? Please let us known what you choose ( IRC , dummy account or friend ) Letting known "fixed" is also fine. Do know that we want to enable you (all) Regards Geert Stappers DD, subscribed to the mailinglist that has MIA reports @Daniel: Thanks for removing HTML -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Creating a Salsa account
On Tue, Jul 07, 2020 at 06:38:45PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote: > > > > I'm trying to log in to salsa.debian.org. When I try to register > a new account, it says that my email already has a user. When I > hit "forgot my password", however, no email comes through. > Help? https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa then https://wiki.debian.org/Salsa/Doc#Users:_Login_and_Registration which says: Namespace concepts (Users, Teams) Debian Developers Debian Developers get synced every 6 hours from LDAP and retain their Debian login as salsa username. I think it means: password reset via https://db.debian.org > Thank you, Please keep us posted > Shachar > > > Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: offer help
On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 07:22:04AM +, th4...@hotmail.com wrote: > hi, im not a programmer however am a linux poweruser and into kernels > particularly as well. > i am fond of the debian project and have been using it for many years. > i was wondering if there is any way i could help. https://www.debian.org/intro/help has that mostly covered. Between the lines is stated "choose for yourself where you want to add value" Regards Geert Stappers DD P.S. It is on purpose that I didn't CC the original poster. Consider it as a way to find out if the help offering person does read the mailinglist :-) -- Silence is hard to parse signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian infra services and tools looking for programming contributions
On Fri, May 22, 2020 at 03:32:31AM +, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 7:02 PM Antonio Terceiro wrote: > > > I'm planning a talk titled "I'm a programmer, how can I help Debian?" ... > There are a number of non-packaging tasks for coders listed here: > > https://www.debian.org/intro/help > > > to present several Debian infrastructure services and tools that could > > receive contributions, highlighting a few where contributions could have > > a larger impact in the community (IMO). > > Pretty much every Debian service needs help, please emphasise that in your > talk. Yes, it is OK to break the consensus "somebody else does it better then me" Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Salsa as authentication provider for Debian
On Tue, Apr 07, 2020 at 09:28:34AM +0200, Enrico Zini wrote: > On Mon, Apr 06, 2020 at 07:07:26PM +, Luca Filipozzi wrote: > > > > I don't know keycloak: what are the maintenance costs, and what would be > > > the benefits over time? > > > > > > Right now, with the proposal waldi just posted, we have very little to > > > no added maintenance cost, possibly negative maintenance cost once we > > > take sso.debian.org and the current handcrafted salsa subscription thing > > > offline. The amount of code deployed compared to the status quo would go > > > *down*. The user interface and user experience for the lot would be good > > > and well known. Gitlab's codebase, while large and complex, is widely > > > deployed, and we already have know-how about it in Debian. > > > > Having just joined this conversation, the above is an argument that is > > difficult to refute: one can always argue that 'one in the hand is > > better than one in the bush'. > > Yes :/ I think that's more or less where we are now, unfortunately, > after a year or more failing to find people to deploy and maintain > alternatives. > > On one hand, client certificate handling in browsers gets worse over > time, and the current sso solution is effectively running on people > collecting all sorts of workaround instructions in the excellent wiki > page at https://wiki.debian.org/DebianSingleSignOn > > On the other hand, signing in for non-DDs is a major hurdle that takes > literally weeks, when one can find out how to do it at all. We DDs care > little about that, it's Not Our Problem. That barrier makes joining > nm.debian.org to become a DD a challenge in itself. Other things like > managing one's own information on contributors.debian.org are just not > worth the challenge, and I'm planning to take contributors.d.o offline > soon, because I/we can't, ethically and legally, publish people's > information without giving those people a reasonable chance to control > it. > > > > My DSA colleagues asked for demo and I'm building that up, currently. I > > view this as a positive but not definitive step in the maintenance > > questions. > > > > I appreciate that the idea of using keycloak as an IdB requires everyone > > to shift perspective. > > > > Let me know if you have appetite (or not*) to discuss the above. > > Personally I'm interested in anything that works and that I can have a > very good confidence that somebody will maintain over time. > > I care about maintenance and sustainability more than about anything > else, because I'm the one who's been forced to set up and maintain SSO > in Debian mostly alone for 8 years, because everybody else walked away > from it and I could not. > > OIDC supports various authentication sources, and the Salsa plan > decouples OIDC from LDAP allowing them to evolve independently, removes > custom nonstandard components, and includes the option of migrating away > to something else in the future. In my understanding it enables > experimentation with other systems rather than blocking it. > > Question: is there something in the proposed Salsa plan that somehow > blocks experimenting with, introducing, or migrating to Keycloak in the > future? Euh there is | What does keycloak provide over something like lemonldap or similar tools? elsewhere in this thread. So I take the liberty to change one question It there something in the proposed Salsa plan that somehow blocks experimenting with, introducing, or migrating to an identity provider in the future? Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: distributed moderation of mailinglist
On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 08:55:18AM -0500, Stephen Frost wrote: > Greetings, > > * Holger Wansing (hwans...@mailbox.org) wrote: > > Geert Stappers wrote: > > > Posting of subscriber with establish repuation > > > go through without a delay. It skips "review queue" > > Sure. > > > > New subcribers will recieve postings. Their first > > > posting gets a delay of N minutes. > > > > > > The delay has a time-out. If no-one approved a posting > > > from the review queue, the posting goes through the ML. > > > Such "time-out-expired posting" tells that the pool of > > > moderators is too small. > > Interesting idea.. > > > > Please share your idea of such mailinglist features. > > > > The delay has to be something like 24h, not "N minutes". > > Otherwise this is a too high burden for the moderators. > > Yeah, that doesn't strike me as a great approach either. :-) When I wrote 'N minutes', I was thinking "configuration item in the manual page". Yes, delays will typically be a multiple of 60 minutes. > > The way this is handled in pglister (which is what the PostgreSQL.Org > mailing lists use, and we throw quite a bit of mail around) I found https://gitlab.com/pglister/pglister > is that non-subscribers and/or non-whitelisted folks do go to > moderation, but we have a number of moderators and we more-or-less > randomly pick the first moderator to email, if the mail isn't moderated > after 5 minutes or so, we randomly pick a different moderator to email, > and so on. Nice algoritme, nice load-balancer. > We don't have any "automatically let the email through" option today, > and we're pretty successfully able to moderate a lot of mail, let a > lot of mail through, I do read "Many volunteers on guarding duty". Yes, that is truely distributed moderation. > and have very very little spam get through (the little it does > happen is almost always due to a mistake by a moderator, which does > happen from time to time, of course). Yes, human touch preferred. > Thanks, > Stephen Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: distributed moderation of mailinglist
> > Hi, > > I looking for ways to moderate a mailinglist distributed. > Distributed as: serveral people do the job (not a job > for a single person) > > Goal is a healthy (mailinglist) community. > > > Vision I have for a healthy ML is like nice village > that is becoming a nice town. Citizens are aware it > is their own habitat and it is their interrest to keep > in a good shape. > > > Normal situation is lively communication on the ML. > > In abnormal situations gets toxic into the ML. > That is what should be prevented. > > > ML software can easily block non-subscriber postings. > > Software I'm looking for can delay postings based > upon reputation from a subscriber. The delay allows > the pool of moderators to review such posting. > > Posting of subscriber with establish repuation > go through without a delay. It skips "review queue" > > New subcribers will recieve postings. Their first > posting gets a delay of N minutes. > > The delay has a time-out. If no-one approved a posting > from the review queue, the posting goes through the ML. > Such "time-out-expired posting" tells that the pool of > moderators is too small. > > > Please share your idea of such mailinglist features. > Foo is a placeholder We are familiar with a mailinglist like f...@lists.doman.tld Subscribe, Unsubscribe and other user requests go to foo-requ...@lists.domain.tld For the pool of moderators there is foo-rev...@lists.domain.tld where they can sent there approval (or disapproval) of postings that need review. Q: Which postings need review? A: Postings of subscribers without a established reputation. Q: How will moderators be informed about a posting needing review? A: By email from the mailinglist software at server. The moderator sends her/his judgement as a reply to foo-rev...@lists.domain.list ML S/W then distributes the posting to the whole ML (or drops the posting (like spam)) Moderators volunteer themself for the task and listmaster configures that at ML S/W. These are human actions by design. Q: Will a moderator see postings twice? A: Mostly no. Some, yes, the postings of reputation below threshold. Q: What about the regular ML subscribers? A: Yes, regular citizens. Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
distributed moderation of mailinglist
Hi, I looking for ways to moderate a mailinglist distributed. Distributed as: serveral people do the job (not a job for a single person) Goal is a healthy (mailinglist) community. Vision I have for a healthy ML is like nice village that is becoming a nice town. Citizens are aware it is their own habitat and it is their interrest to keep in a good shape. Normal situation is lively communication on the ML. In abnormal situations gets toxic into the ML. That is what should be prevented. ML software can easily block non-subscriber postings. Software I'm looking for can delay postings based upon reputation from a subscriber. The delay allows the pool of moderators to review such posting. Posting of subscriber with establish repuation go through without a delay. It skips "review queue" New subcribers will recieve postings. Their first posting gets a delay of N minutes. The delay has a time-out. If no-one approved a posting from the review queue, the posting goes through the ML. Such "time-out-expired posting" tells that the pool of moderators is too small. Please share your idea of such mailinglist features. Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Outreachy and smearing campaign
On Fri, Feb 21, 2020 at 04:09:20PM +, Ken Starr wrote: > On Friday, February 21, 2020 3:14 PM, Wise Person wrote: > > Please do not feed more trolls here. Thank you. > > Everything in this email is known and verifiable fact Ken, Messages like } } Please do not feed more trolls here. Thank you. should be recieved as "Enough, go do something constructive" Regards Geert Stappers -- Silence is hard to parse
Re: Lenovo X395 Support Latest Debian Version
On Sat, Feb 08, 2020 at 02:22:57AM +1100, Brett Lougher wrote: > Hi. > > I wish to install the latest Linux Debian as my main OS on my Lenovo X395 > > My question is wheter or not the Lenovo X395 supported the installation of > Debian as an Operating System. > > It has a AMD Ryzen 7 PRO 3700U (4C / 8T, 2.3 / 4.0GHz, 2MB L2 / 4MB L3) CPU > and saw some linux distributions did not work for AMD. Send that hardware to me, I'll test it. > Appreciate the response. > > Kind regards, > Brett Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Debian release management and security questions
On Wed, Feb 05, 2020 at 05:34:52PM +0200, Itzik Reuven wrote: > Hello Debian maintainers, > > I have a few questions regarding the debian project and I will be glad for > some answers: > > 1. regarding the release management - from a quick scanning of the release > I have noticed that are 6 release types: > jessie > jessie-security > stretch - security > buster > bullseye > sid > > I would like to ask what is the difference between each release (what > actually each release means), can different releases may obtain the same > version (i.e sid -7.4.1 and buster-7.4.1 is possible?) https://www.debian.org/releases/ at second half > 2. stable vs. unstable suite- meaning and difference? Same webpage > 3. regarding the security tracker ( > https://security-tracker.debian.org/tracker/) > the different pages in tracker refers to different vulnerability types I > will be glad to understand what each page refers to since I don't fully > understand from the description. > > 4. is there one specific debian host that holds all debian packages? if not > is there a debian host for debian packages that are listed in the security > tracker? > > Thank you! > > -- > > > *Itzik Reuven* > Regards Geert Stappers
Re: are Debian mentors nuts? the DebConf scandal
On Sat, Dec 28, 2019 at 10:42:11AM +0100, Mary-Anne Wolf wrote: > I have been a financial supporter of Debian and FSF since... 2011 > at least. I first used emacs in... the 1980's I think it was. > > Way to drive away any female supporter of Debian and Libre software > generally, Debian! I really did think you were smarter than that. > > Look! An intern, a recently completed intern or somebody on a diversity > bursary to DebConf who wants to apply for an internship CANNOT give > consent to sex. That is why there is such a thing as statutory rape. > Thus, whether the young lady was presented herself as willing or whether > she was willing in any other sense, if she was there for those economic > reasons, she CANNOT have given consent to sex, so the sex MUST have > been rape as legally defined. > > Some of these women are very smart, smarter than many of the men here, > but they still come from a whole different world economically. > > Consent is an important concept. People were so pedantic about > definitions of consent in the recent FSF scandal. Why is Debian so > blind to this? > > If Debian mentors are too stupid to understand that, Debian needs to > throw them out with force and distance itself from them as fast as they > can, before Debian loses the support of most of its female supporters > and a large fraction of its more woke male supporters. > > It smells like these mentoring programs are fundamentally incompatible > with Debian's structure and culture. The CEO of McDonalds had to resign > for something like this but Debian makes the excuse that DebConf is a > social event. You circulate rumours about a mentor who wasn't even > at DebConf for the last two years but turn a blind eye to the real > rogue behaviour. > > The comments by RMS pale in comparison to what people are saying about > Debian, GSoC, Outreachy, groupies and casting couches at DebConf. > The actions of only one or two Debian Developers can cast a shadow over > all the interns. Do you think these women are a perk, like having > free beers or fitness centers in your silicon valley campuses? It > is indefensible. > > Is Debian nuts? No, Debian is not nuts. > Mary-Anne Seen the "report". Please state what you expect that should get happen. Groeten Geert Stappers Assuming good faith -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC
On Sun, Dec 15, 2019 at 08:54:36PM -, Marco d'Itri wrote: > hartm...@debian.org wrote: > > >Marco> I also do not believe in a general right (instead > >Marco> of about specific issues) of people to not be offended by > >Marco> other's behaviour. Is this good enough for Debian? > >This offended word keeps coming up from people who are concerned about > >the code of conduct. > I do not think that I have ever expressed any major concerns about the > code of conduct, so I do not understand why you are bringing it up. > If you are really curious, then I think that my use of the word > "offended" comes from reading articles like these which discuss that > issue (which maybe is not even significant in the Debian community?): > > https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/09/the-rise-of-victimhood-culture/404794/ > https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/09/the-coddling-of-the-american-mind/399356/ > > But feel free to ignore that sentence, it does not really matter. > I would still like to know the answer to my post. |On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 04:11:36PM -, Marco d'Itri wrote: |> I would appreciate some clarifications on this point, to better |> understand where I stand. |> I do not like transphobes (and various other kinds of bigots), I am |> happy to recognize people's gender identity as male, female or |> non-binary and to address them as they prefer using "he", "she" or |> "them", if so requested. +1 |> I do not recognize a right of other people to dictate how I can |> express myself, and specifically request that I use words which I do not |> recognize as part of my language. +1 |> I also do not believe in a general right (instead of about specific |> issues) of people to not be offended by other's behaviour. Not sure, due twice "not". |> Is this good enough for Debian? Yes. After all is Debian about libre software _and_ inclusion. Groeten Geert Stappers DD -- Yes, we should continue to have both signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC, lglg
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 02:32:08AM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 12:00:11AM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > > On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > > > Martina, > > > > > > please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with > > > some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here. > > > Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi". > > > And that from an AH/whatever team member, this is a shame for you and > > > Debian. > > > > Norbert, > > > > please reread the posting of Martina > > And... ? Example given the line It is not about being polite, being an asshole to people is never a right. > I agree with Norbert, that post was beyond the pale. I also agree with Norbert that word count "asshole" on Martina posting indeed returns 3. The posting "beyond the pale"? NO > > > @listmaster: I consider this an actionable email, and Martina should be > > > warned or banned, this kind of emails, and persons writing them, have no > > > place in Debian, either. > > > > Let go, let go > > It's interesting how only one side is allowed to use hateful words. > > I thus second Norbert's request. Noticed, as "Acknowledge". I solicit for the same warning or ban. Because three time asshole in a posting. And for provoking "nazis" by using intoleral words. Groeten Geert Stappers DD -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Some thoughts about Diversity and the CoC, lglg
On Fri, Dec 13, 2019 at 07:31:41AM +0900, Norbert Preining wrote: > Martina, > > please tone down you expression, three times "asshole" sprinkled with > some "fuck off" is far above any acceptable limit here. > Not to mention "genocide" and "nazi". > And that from an AH/whatever team member, this is a shame for you and > Debian. Norbert, please reread the posting of Martina > @listmaster: I consider this an actionable email, and Martina should be > warned or banned, this kind of emails, and persons writing them, have no > place in Debian, either. Let go, let go Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task, request has seen
On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 12:48:51PM +0200, Hector Oron wrote: > Missatge de John Paul Adrian Glaubitz del dia dg., 29 de set. 2019 a les > 12:20: . > > As Linus stated in his mail, the Amiga never dies: > > > > > https://lkml.org/lkml/2019/9/24/993 > > Reaching those forums or even organizing a crowd funding campaign > might be more appropriate. Consider this posting as another "the request has seen, stop repeating it" Due Headers |To: John Paul Adrian Glaubitz |Cc: debian-project@lists.debian.org, Debian m68k A special word to John Paul Adrian Glaubitz. John Paul, You are doing great. And even too great. You are pushing it too hard. Please keep away from what is important to you becoming that what is scaring people away from you. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Using Debian funds to support a gcc development task
On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 11:44:26AM +0200 ... > to "MODE_CC" as described in [1]. > > In the future, gcc upstream expects all backends to be using MODE_CC for the > internal register representation as the old CC0 is supposed to be removed. ... > I have already talked to the DPL personally and he recommended me to ask on > debian-project to receive feedback from a broader audience of the Debian > project. > > So, would -project be willing to support our cause through Debian funds? Yes. Because Libre software is NOT gratuit software Groeten Geert Stappers > [1] https://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/CC0Transition -- Leven en laten leven
Re: debian-private leaked on pastebin, worried
On Mon, Aug 05, 2019 at 12:31:44PM +0200, Jonathan Carter wrote: > On 2019/08/05 12:25, Ben Hutchings wrote: > >> https://pastebin.com/S0meBait > > > > It's basically just you throwing rocks at us, Daniel. > > He probably has more protonmail accounts by now than anyone else in Debian. And I think he worries more about Debian then the majority of us. That is something that does worry me. Advice how to cope with it, is welcome. Regards Geert Stappers DD P.S. It is OK to do follow-up on this mailinglist posting outside this ML. -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Debian supports pridemonth?
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 02:09:49PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 07:54:34AM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote: > > Agreed. This is as uncomplicated as the suggestions I made above for > > Debian to show solidarity with similarly affected groups. I hope that > > we can do that with the same enthusiasm as in this instance. There are > > sure to be other groups which I have overlooked and hope that additional > > suggestions are forthcoming from others. > > How much will being enthusiastic for various underrepresented > communities make the people who care about Free Software and an > Universal Operating System underrepresented in Debian? > > Can we probably find consensus abut having one "Free Software Month" in > the year? > > Greetings > Marc, caring about technology > I think that I understand that. So I shut up and gonna care what I care about. And yes, there is much in which we commonly care about. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: RFC: endorse debian-mentors as entrance to our infrastructure projects
On Sun, Jun 09, 2019 at 02:44:40PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Sun, Jun 09, 2019 at 12:55:14PM +0200, Jonas Meurer wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi Jonas, Hello both mailinglists, > >... > > So here's the idea we came up with: We could explicitely broaden the > > scope of debian-mentors to include any questions regarding Debian > > infrastructure software. > > > > What do you think about this proposal? I think it is a good proposal. The thing I real like is adding scope to a mailinglist. (I'm no fan of splitting our community in many many mailinglists.) > > who will provide the answers to non-trivial questions? > > For most packaging questions a list with plenty of DM/DD is sufficient > to get an answer. > > For the typical infrastructure project the number of people in Debian > who can answer non-trivial questions is in the low single-digits. > > > Cheers > > jonas > > > > [1] Let me give two examples for such "infrastructure projects": > > */ Many in Debian agree that Debbugs could need some love, but still > > it's developed and maintained largely by one brave soul. > >... > > What will happen if a newbie starts asking questions about debbugs on > debian-mentors? > > Will the questions be ignored, or will you try to force this one brave > soul to become a mentor for whatever people from the internet start > asking questions? Just let see what happens. In case the questions were to prevent that things get happen[1], please express the concern. Groeten Geert Stappers [1] getting forward, moving on, evolution. -- Leven en laten leven
Re: How to install on imac
On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 07:53:05PM -0400, John Hammack wrote: > I would like info on how to install Debian on imac, (24-inch, Early 2009). At https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple is the text 'iMac9,1 (24" Mar 2009, 20" Apr 2009)' which links to https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/iMac/9-1 But it is an empty page. Parent page https://wiki.debian.org/InstallingDebianOn/Apple/iMac is also just an skeleton page. In other words the Debian project does welcome Apple hardware users. But for some reason are those people with exprience on installing Debian their hardware somewhat shy to share information on the Debian wiki. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Wiki: Whiteboard with markers that invites you to make the world a better place signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: What is the problem with eth0
On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 06:38:49PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Feb 09, 2019 at 06:06:31PM +0100, Ingo von Laer wrote: > > Dear Sirs and Ladies, > > with the implementation of the NetworkManager the little Problems began. > > WFT, "Wired Connection 1" tree blanks an config-file in the etc. > > The biggest Problem are the fancy new names for the Ethernet. What is the > > problem with eth0? Quoting https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/ } } Why? } } The classic naming scheme for network interfaces applied by the kernel } is to simply assign names beginning with "eth0", "eth1", ... to all } interfaces as they are probed by the drivers. As the driver probing } is generally not predictable for modern technology this means that } as soon as multiple network interfaces are available the assignment } of the names "eth0", "eth1" and so on is generally not fixed anymore } and it might very well happen that "eth0" on one boot ends up being } "eth1" on the next. This can have serious security implications, for } example in firewall rules which are coded for certain naming schemes, } and which are hence very sensitive to unpredictable changing names. } } To fix this problem multiple solutions have been proposed and } implemented. For a longer time ... The whole article is a good read. > > All server tools like isc-dhcp-server or FAI are using > > eth0. If you must use the fancy names for the eth0 then implement it so > > that other packages can use them too, or simpler leave the name eth0. > > You want predictable interface names, then. We all want predictable interface names. > To switch them to predictable, append "net.ifnames=0" to kernel's cmdline; > the argument will then be parsed by udev (the on-filesystem way to do so > changes quite often). Easiest way to change the cmdline is > "dpkg-reconfigure grub-*" where * can be "pc" or "efi" depending on how your > machine boots. At the URL from above are two other options. IMHO better options. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: conspiracies and character assassination
} He threatened to ... Next time such thing happens, ask for clarifycation. To get sure the recieved "threat" was transmitted as threat. Adding a "why?" does help. Doing something with an answer to the why will get both parties further. Cheers Geert Stappers DD Who is recieving the "repair attempts" as further damage signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ??? 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches, let go
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 09:53:43PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: > On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 09:51:03PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > > > I don't want to risk spreading fake news or "generalizations". No one wants fake news And on "generalizations" it is an abstraction by definition. > > > > I'm offering a ???500 cash bounty for evidence about the privacy violation. > > That is a stupid plan. > > Let it go > Let it go at least for a now > Friday before FOSDEM it would like to have a face to face meeting about this. Agenda topics: 0. Confirming this proposed agenda 1. Common goals( What common goals have we ? ) 2. Next action ( What are the next steps we gonna make to get there? ) 3. Blockers ( What is us blocking? ) 4. Keeping contact ( How and where keep we in contact? ) Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: ??? 500 cash bounty for information / Debian privacy breaches, let go
On Sun, Dec 23, 2018 at 09:51:03PM +0100, Daniel Pocock wrote: > > I don't want to risk spreading fake news or "generalizations". > > I'm offering a ???500 cash bounty for evidence about the privacy violation. > Let it go Let it go at least for a now Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Censorship in Debian
[ ... ] > started making disparaging comments to other people about my > competence and I feel he has become increasingly vindictive towards me > in private. A-H have seen some of that and done nothing to intervene. Consider to send proof of it to -private@ldo. Your fellow DD who would like / should spent energy elsewhere then this (stinky) situation. signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Broken Archive Link /cgi-bin/dispatcher.fcgi/search was not found
On Thu, Nov 29, 2018 at 09:19:14PM +, Chapman, Bill [US] (MS) wrote: > I'm trying to search for an archived package at this URL but the link > is broken: https://historical.packages.debian.org/squeeze/ The error seems to be Not Found The requested URL /cgi-bin/dispatcher.fcgi/squeeze/ was not found on this server. Apache Server at historical.packages.debian.org Port 443 > Can you tell me if this will be fixed or is off line permanently. I personally can't. Is meanwhile at http://archive.debian.org/debian/pool/main/ the package you are looking for? Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Power-Management
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 11:00:42AM +0200, Marc Haber wrote: > On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 09:35:45AM +0100, Chris Lamb wrote: > > > I was just Wondering if you have any considerations for issuing an > > > update or designing lets say Debian 10 with Power Management for > > > laptops in mind. > > > > Such modifications are typically (and best) made in a distribution- > > agnostic manner, rather than being, say, Debian-specific. :) > > > > However, may I take this opportunity to promote Jonathan Carter aka > > highvoltage's "Debian Package of the Day" video series? As it > > happens, yesterday's package was "powertop": > > > > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3M_g3C15R4 > > Power Management is a general big issue in Linux on Laptops. I have also > made the experience that Windows achives vastly better battery run times > than any Linux I have ever encountered, even if powertop doesn't have > anything to complain. > > Alas, I don't have the slightest idea why, > maybe somebody can shed a light on that. My guess is that a large amount of people have the same mindset as fifteen years ago: "Buying hardware with Microsoft tax without telling the hardware manufactor that they run Linux" As long as people buy "windows" laptops for running Linux is there no incentive for manufactors to care about powermangament on Linux. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Debian Maintainers Keyring changes
On Tue, Apr 24, 2018 at 08:10:41PM +, Debian FTP Masters wrote: > The following changes to the debian-maintainers keyring have just been > activated: > > kact...@gnu.org > Added key: 7214B3C8D5FF8F26E12593D52E20FEEE71FC7D81 > > > abhij...@disroot.org > Full name: Abhijith PA > > > dbarysh...@gmail.com > Full name: Dmitry Eremin-Solenikov > Added key: 8F88381DD5C873E4AE487DA5199BF1243632046A > > > deb...@bjorndolk.com > Full name: Bjorn Dolk > Added key: C985A104860E5F2D2FD8E8C3F7D3FAD933286674 > > > ef...@azylum.org > Full name: Geoffroy Youri Berret > Added key: 2255310AD1A248A07B597638065FE53932DC551D > > > jriv...@openrobotics.org > Full name: Jose Luis Rivero > > > olek-...@wojnar.org > Full name: Olek Wojnar > > Debian distribution maintenance software, > on behalf of the Keyring maintainers Seven e-mail address added but only four keys added. What is the idea of only adding an e-mail address to a keyring? Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: Conflict escalation and discipline, name
On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:56:41AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 03:51:48PM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote:
> >Lars Wirzenius writes ("Re: Conflict escalation and discipline"):
> >>Most of the problems being discussed right now, and in general, seem
> >>to be of the sort where feelings are hurt, but harassment isn't
> >>happening. The situations seem to be "A did something, and B was
> >>offended, how do we get A and B to understand each other, and resolve
> >>any conflict, and get A and B to collaborate in the future?".
> >>
> >>This implies to me that, at the least, "anti-harassment" is the wrong
> >>name for a team that deals with this.
> >
> >That's certainly true. I thought of these ideas:
> >
> >all @debian.org
> > trouble too vague, also negative
> > behaviour seems somehow hostile, also vague
> > conduct seems somehow hostile, also vague
> > appeals too strongly advertises judicial function
> > arbitration too strongly advertises judicial function
> > upset can minimise and subjectify bad actions
> > conflictvery negative
> > resolution too vague but at least positive
> > reconciliation not attractive to complaints who want action
> > dispute[s] maybe?
>
> mediation?
>
elders used by tribes, group of elder/older, because their exprience
counsel as counselor Deanna Troi from Star Trek Next Generation
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Geert Stappers
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Wiki defence WAS: Wiki problem
On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 07:36:49PM +, bili...@firemail.cc wrote: > Can you do something about the debian wiki, they ban VPNs from > viewing help guides even read only > > https://i.imgur.com/M1NPMPv.png Image which says: Forbidden, you are not allowed to access this. > > I use privateinternetaccess and switched servers 3 times now and all > 3 have blocked me from accessing the guides; I don't have this > problem on any other site I use arch guides if they are available > due to this > Thanks for reporting that the defence system of the Debian wiki works. Please translate > Can you do something about the debian wiki, they ban VPNs into } The VPNs I use have for some reason a bad reputation. } I don't gonna tell which VPNs I use, but have to reconsider } the reputation of those VPNs, so that I can access your wiki. That is not how a lift of a ban works. Groeten Geert Stappers -- Leven en laten leven
Re: db.debian.org (and related infrastructure) updates
On 30-12-2006 at 05:34 wrote Ryan Murray in a message to the mailinglist debian-developer-announce: Here's some news on recent db.debian.org changes that are now available: The LDAP schema has been updated to include several new fields: * Date of Birth (developer-only visible) * Gender (world visible) * Mail disable message * Mail greylisting * Mail sender verification callouts * Mail whitelist * Mail RBL list * Mail RHSBL list The exim4 config has been updated to make use of these new fields, giving developers the ability to: * disable their @debian.org email address entirely with a message of their choosing at SMTP reject time * specify a whitelist that will be immune to the newly added checks * enable greylisting and sender verification callouts * specify RBL and RHSBL lists to be checked at SMTP time The mail gateway, web scripts, and userdir-ldap command line interface have all been updated to deal with the new fields. Some developers who were causing backscatter on master.debian.org have had some of the features enabled already to match what they had attempted to configure on master. Please remember that greylisting, RBLs, and sender verification callouts are all SMTP time defenses that only work when active on the first real mail host that accepts mail for a given email address. Enabling them on a later host will just cause mail delay and backscatter between the later host and the initially accepting host, unless the initial host is whitelisted. Most of the mail delays and backlog on master over the past several months have been caused by people enabling greylisting or callouts without whitelisting master from the checks. To enable the new features, visit the login page at https://db.debian.org/login.html or send signed email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with something like this: birthDate: 20061225 mailGreylisting: TRUE mailCallout: TRUE mailrbl sbl-xbl.spamhaus.org mailrbl ... mailrhsbl rhsrbl.example.org mailrhsbl ... mailwhitelist hostname/ip mailwhitelist ... Did that information made it to some document? If yes, to which one and what is it's URL? In other words: Where can one read more about it? Cheers Geert Stappers not subscribed to -project, please CC me on replies. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
A not so Formal inquiry about who censored the wiki pages ...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Fellow debian developpers, I have now come with a very grave problem, and that it is that someone has apparently censored the wiki pages, and actually removed material there, which is evidence in my favour in this matter, not reverted, but actually removed from the wiki page. The incriminated page is the following one : http://wiki.debian.org/DebianInstaller/FransPopAndOthersVs.SvenLutherIssue/ReplyFromSvenToGeertStappers?action=info where the revision 12 or 14 has been removed. This is another attempt to smear me in this war against me, and to remove evidence of the misbehaviour of the other party, and a grave offense. This is also further evidence of mis-using one's technical access to the debian infrastructure, in order to pursue a private warfar. I now thus ask officially that the DAMs step in, and act accordying to their power and obligation, and expulse from debian whoever it was who has abused his debian account in such a way. Joerg, Elmo, whoever else is in this charge, this is a clear violation of the policy, and as thus, you should immediately take action. Friendly, Sven Luther I did seen a modify message like revert, to remove spam. The deleted lines did look like links to porn. So to me is this inquiry is about lost porn :-) Those who believe it is about something else: believe what you want to believe Cheers Geert Stappers ( CC me if you feel the need to reply on debian-project ) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGCshrOSINbgwa/7sRAlc9AJ97F6z1k5icGX+a+RDBljlKrnPmywCfSDq0 5YMNy4lPA8sDNluo+BEp93c= =KVr3 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDI
Op 31-10-2006 om 15:13 schreef John Goerzen: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006 at 09:20:24PM +0100, Loïc Minier wrote: On Tue, Oct 31, 2006, Sven Luther wrote: Well, on various suggestions, i have written the following text : http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDI Would have been nice to clarify that this is your personal opinion on the subject, or (instead) that anyone is free to change the page, but at least one of the two. I suggest you open a page SvensPOV, copy paste everything, and use SvenLutherAndDI to hold links to the opinions of various persons (and only that). There has to be some time where we all let bygones be bygones. Surely we have passed this point a month or two ago. We are wasting everyone's time. Yep, it does suck time. Bearing my story of this stupid fight does also take energy, so felt the need to start http://wiki.debian.org/SvenLutherAndDiBg Sven, please just live and let live. A good advice, that I just have damaged, sorry. Geert Stappers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: an awful lot of energy
On Thu, May 04, 2006 at 03:42:31PM +0200, Sven Luther wrote: In this case, actions speak louder than words. So, i await the restoration of the svn commit rights, but until then, it is clear that they want to get ride of me. The excuses they have put (that i would abuse the svn commit rights) are bordering on the insulting, and the fact they did it while i was at the sickbed of my dying mother show a complete lack of human decency. So, they may say many things, but it is actions that count. Yes, you are right. Right now we are telling we don't like your attitude. It is not told in written word, it is told by action. (actions do count) The action is ignore the whatever[1] The rest of this E-mail are an explanation of obvious things. * Freedom of speech is good. But it does not mean Each speech has to be honoured * Each group has good members and better members - Addressing the group includes all members - Asking the group to do better, includes the member all ready doing so * Each porter group has good porters and better porters - Addressing the group includes all porters - Asking the porters to do better, includes the porter all ready doing so - If the better porter feels offended by such request, then it is his point of view to feel offend * Writing a resignation means writing a resignation. * There is nothing wrong with Hi, I'm back. * Recieving a resignation letter means revoking things (keys, rights) * Expressing feelings at a seperation is very hard. - Working together and then stop working together is strange, very strange - Saying I'm glad that you leave does no good. * Holding a patch in hostage is holding a patch in hostage * There is a difference between being offended and feeling offended Sven, I think this is going to happen: * Things go worse * Someone thinks to fix a social problem by a technical thing, like a ban or expulsion * I will miss your request for support, due being occupied elsewhere * There will be a call for votes for expulsion/banning you * I vote to keep you in. Only to express that Kicking out those who think different doesn't help * You will be remembered as the one with the odd point of view. (and spending / draining an awful lot of energy proofing so ) All of this will go parallell with other things in life we care about. Hopefully we can all find the right balance for it. Cheers Geert Stappers [1] person, angry person, live form, low live form; take you pick. signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Joerg Jaspert, an additional DAM
On Wed, Jan 05, 2005 at 02:10:38PM -0700, dann frazier wrote: On Mon, Jan 03, 2005 at 04:06:51PM +0100, Geert Stappers wrote: -public_html on gluck and refered to by +~/public_html on gluck and refered to by s/refered/referred/ http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=referred http://www.m-w.com/cgi-bin/dictionary?va=refered Okay, two fixes are needed. Any one seen the done message? /me talking about an E-mail that every new DD will seen. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Joerg Jaspert, an additional DAM
On Sun, Jan 02, 2005 at 11:35:39AM -0500, Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, Geert Stappers said:
Before I forget, I did spoiled some time on looking for public_html,
I hope it can be avoided for others after me with this handcrafted diff
Maybe just the traditional ~/public_html reference to make it clear?
Seems shorter and more to the point.
Indeed, that will make the patch look like
--- nm-create script version newsamosa
+++ nm-create script modified
@@ -n,7 +n,7 @@
gluck is also our general shell server. Web pages should be placed in
-public_html on gluck and refered to by
+~/public_html on gluck and refered to by
URL:http://people.debian.org/~${NEW_DD_ACCOUNT}.
You should use ssh to log into the machines instead of regular telnet
or rlogin. Our LDAP directory is able to share ssh RSA keys among
Cheers
Geert Stappers
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Re: unable to create boot disk
On Sat, May 03, 2003 at 10:53:33PM -0400, Jen Sadler wrote: Hi, I Just tried to install Debian 3.0 on my ThinkPad A31 laptop. It is my first time trying to install Linux on my own, so maybe I'm just doing something wrong, but I get to the point where I have to make the boot disk, and it tells me my disk must be blank or write protected. The bootfloppy is an optional way to boot your computer It has not even checked the floppy drive though. I know this because the light doesn't come on and it doesn't make any noise. The floppy drive on my laptop is an external USB one, so I don't think it is even detecting it. Does this mean that I can't have Debian at all on my laptop? Is there any other way to make the boot disk? I can not set it up as bootable because I have Windows 2000 on this computer still too. What can I do, if anything? Read more about bootloaders. Thanks for your time, Sorry for being terse, I'm not a Wintel guy Geert Stappers
