Re: Expense Rules for Mini-DebConfs
Since we're on the topic of travel expenses. * Didier 'OdyX' Raboud [2019-10-03 13:42]: > I realize I had not read https://wiki.debian.org/Sprints/HowTo recently; my > bad. It has: > > Debian, within the limit of available resources, tries hard to cover travel > > and accommodation costs for those who have no other means to cover the > > costs. Participating in developer sprints should be no personal financial > > burden to any of the participants. Usually, participants are expected to > > cover food costs by themselves, although exceptions might be considered. ^ The food rule has been applied very inconsistently in recent years. Back in the Zack days, Debian didn't cover food at all (I think stemming from Zack's academic background where you're lucky to get anything at all), but in recent years this has been different (but inconsistent). I don't get the rule for not paying for food: 1) You have to eat when travelling and it will be more expensive than when you can cook at home (and especially if you travel to a higher cost location). 2) Food (and some would say beer) is a social thing and isn't one goal of the sprints to promote social interaction and cohesiveness? -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: BSP Reimbursements
* Sam Hartman [2019-10-02 10:43]: > If that ends up being the case I'm happy with some sort of automatic > approval process for DDs attending BSPs (and easy approval for other > contributors when that makes sense). I might be wrong here but my understanding of the $100 for attending BSPs that existed in the past is that it was automatic. All this talk about who should handle approvals (DPL or organizers) and putting together a budget seems way overkill to me. We're talking about $100 per person. The whole idea was to make this a painless process. i.e. just send a request to a TO and they will process it. No involvement of the DPL or organizer needed. I recently read something about corporate life where someone said you need X approvals to spend $1000 but nobody asks if you invite 15 people to a one hour meeting which will easily cost $1000. It sounds like we're making the same mistake here. For $100, do we really need a long approval process? My only concern with the automatic $100 is the workload it may cause for TOs, but this might not be a huge problem since a) many people won't bother submitting a claim since it's not worth their time (automatically selecting those who really need/want it) and b) so far there haven't been that many requests. (Although you can argue the latter is because it wasn't documented/publicised properly.) Of course, it's different if we're talking about bigger amounts, but for that we have a sprint/mini-debconf process anyway. Let's just have an automatic $100 and keep the bureaucracy to a minimum. (Not speaking for the treasurer team, for SPI or anyone else.) -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Accessibility of Ledger Reports
* Sam Hartman [2019-06-10 10:44]: > The issue I'm most running into is that the reports use internal > indentation within a line. That is, to draw an account tree ledger > indents the column containing the account name depending on its > level in the tree. ... > i'm also told that there is a --flat option that displays the entire > account tree. I suspect that's really annoying for others. I think --flat is probably the best option. The downside of --flat is that it doesn't add up the sub-totals, as a regular balance report does (although some people find that misleading). beancount has a 'treeify' command which uses arrows for the tree. I'm not sure if that's more readable for you? (Running treeify on ledger output doesn't work, though.) The output of treeify looks like this: |-- Expenses | |-- Banking | | |-- AccountFee -0.10 USD | | |-- CPFee 957.21 USD | | |-- ForeignTransactionFee | | |-- PayPalFee 2266.61 USD | | |-- PaysimpleFee 239.75 USD | | `-- TransactionFee 38.23 USD | |-- Development 345.48 USD -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Accessibility of Ledger Reports
* Sam Hartman [2019-06-10 14:06]: > Is there any way to have the account name as the first column? > That would probably also work well. That's not a built in feature. You can change the format via --balance-format but the format string is quite long. -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Martin Michlmayr [2018-07-07 00:52]: > I'm happy for SPI to sign this. Can you please prepare the official > letter? Any update on this? -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Ian Jackson [2018-04-19 14:53]: > > Thanks for running with this. I am happy with the content and with > > your name at the bottom. > I will wait a bit now to see what SPI says. I'm happy for SPI to sign this. Can you please prepare the official letter? (Sorry for the delay.) -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-05-24 18:39]: > Martin, sorry to press you, but when should we expect to hear from > SPI, please ? Or should we keep polling every few weeks ? I'm sorry for the delay. I was close on catching up on my TODO list when I wrote my last email but since then I had some important personal things to work on. I'll look into this next week and propose how to move it forwards. (And please always feel free to ping me in private email when something is outstanding regarding this or other SPI matters.) -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Bits from the DPL (April 2018)
* Sean Whitton <spwhit...@spwhitton.name> [2018-04-30 17:30]: > > * Ensuring the continuity of Debian's LWN [9] subscription. > > I noticed that name of the group subscription no longer contains > "HPE-sponsored" (or whatever it was before). > > Are we now funding that group subscription from our own funds? I believe lamby is working on finding a new sponsor but I don't know the status. -- Martin Michlmayr https://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-05-02 16:42]: > > I'll discuss with the SPI board. > > When should we expect to hear from you ? I'm not sure. I had a deadline a few days ago and I'm just catching up on my TODO list. How urgent is this? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-04-19 16:38]: > > Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're talking about the > > draft letter you posted 31 Aug 2017 15:19:18. There have been no > > changes since that post, right? > > That's right. For your convenience my mail > Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2018 13:53:34 +0100 > quoted the thing again. > > There's one bugfix: "the the" should read "the". Ok, thanks. I'll discuss with the SPI board. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian trademark, EAN, proposed letter, SPI heads-up
* Ian Jackson <ijack...@chiark.greenend.org.uk> [2018-04-19 13:53]: > SPI: are you willing to have the SPI Secretary sign this letter ? If Just to make sure we're on the same page, you're talking about the draft letter you posted 31 Aug 2017 15:19:18. There have been no changes since that post, right? > not, who should we ask for further legal advice ? Michael Schultheiss > suggested SFLC but I don't think that any involvement of Debian or SPI > with SFLC is or would be appropriate. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Registering the Debian Logo as our trademark?
* Brian Gupta brian.gu...@brandorr.com [2013-04-22 16:58]: 1) Gnome foot is licensed under LGPL/GPL and is a registered Trademark: (Pretty much all artwork including the foot is licensed under Copyright law under LGPL/GPL). GNOME actually has a good example of why it makes sense to license your logo freely and yet claim trademark rights. As Brian pointed out, copyright and trademark do different things: copyright is about modification (in this case) whereas trademark is about brand identity. While we can use a DFSG free license for the logo, we can use our trademark rights to make sure there is no confusion as to our brand. In reality (as you point out, Paul), this limits the ability to make changes to the logo as it would likely cause confusions around the brand. However, there are situations where this is not the case. GNOME has a really good example: someone took the GNOME logo and replaced the foot with a fish in order to use it for a fish-pedicure company. This is a valid use of copyright (their license allows modification) _and_ of trademark (there is no confusion between a piece of software and a fish-pedicure company, even if they use similar logos). See this LWN article for more information: LFCS 2012: Trademarks for free software projects https://lwn.net/Articles/491639/ It contains a copy of the GNOME-derived fish-pedicure logo. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130428161217.gi3...@jirafa.cyrius.com
Re: Registering the Debian Logo as our trademark?
* Brian Gupta brian.gu...@brandorr.com [2013-04-22 16:04]: What do people feel about proceeding with this registration? I'm strongly in favour. As pointed out in my other email, there's no conflict between having a DFSG-free logo and having a registered trademark. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130428161412.gj3...@jirafa.cyrius.com
Re: trademark policy draft
* Stefano Zacchiroli lea...@debian.org [2012-07-31 18:07]:
\subsection{When to Use the DEBIAN Trademarks}
I'd change this to When You Can Use the DEBIAN Trademarks or When
You Can Use the DEBIAN Trademarks Without Permission.
\item You can make t-shirts, desktop wallpapers, caps, or other merchandise
with DEBIAN trademarks for \emph{non-commercial usage}. You can also make
merchandise with DEBIAN trademarks for \emph{commercial usage} provided that,
This of course opens the usual can of worms as to what commercial
actually means. Maybe it could be if you're planning to sell
t-shirts for a profit instead; but maybe it doesn't matter.
in addition to following the guidelines listed below, you truthfully
advertise to customers which part of the selling price will be donated to the
How about adding (if any) after selling price to make it clear
that a donation is optional?
\item Acknowledge of SPI's ownership of the DEBIAN trademark prominently.
^
\item Include a disclaimer of sponsorship, affiliation, or endorsement by
DEBIAN on your website and on all related printed materials.
EXAMPLES:
X PROJECT is not affiliated with DEBIAN. DEBIAN is a registered trademark
owned by SPI, INC.
Shouldn't this be Software in the Public Interest, Inc. rather than
SPI, Inc. Afaik the former is the official name of the
organization.
\subsection{Permission To Use}
To obtain permission to use the DEBIAN trademarks send an email to
\texttt{tradem...@debian.org}
Given your earlier comments that people ask for permission even when
they don't have to, I think this section should state more clearly
when people have to email tradem...@debian.org to obtain permission.
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Re: Call to participate in FrOSCon 2011
* Goswin von Brederlow goswin-...@web.de [2011-05-12 18:37]: What is the deadline? It's listed in the CFP at http://www.froscon.de/en/program/call-for-papers.html May 23rd, 2011 End of the Call for Papers. All contributions need to be submitted by this date in order to qualify. June 6th, 2011 Notification of acceptance of all contributions -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20110512165720.gb1...@jirafa.cyrius.com
DebianDayPT in Aveiro this Saturday
Miguel Figueiredo (elmig) and others are organizing a one day event about Debian in Aveiro, Portugal this Saturday. More information can be found here: http://debiandaypt.debianpt.org/?cat=4 I've been invited to speak at the event. I'll first give a presentation about ways to contribute to Debian. And later I'll talk about project management in free software projects (including anecdotes from my time as DPL). The other talks will be in Portuguese. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100831214846.ga13...@jirafa.cyrius.com
Re: Possible GPL violation involving Debian distribution, and some packages within
* Eric Rucker bhtoo...@gmail.com [2010-04-25 11:49]: I have attempted to contact HP, and got a response that the code is unavailable, which is included below. I'll look into this. Please give me a few days to find out what's going on. -- Martin Michlmayr Open Source Program Office, Hewlett-Packard -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100425151649.gg...@loric-alpo.emea.hpqcorp.net
Re: Google AdSense for Debian
* Adrian von Bidder avbid...@fortytwo.ch [2010-02-18 16:05]: Doesn't seem worth it, then. Google has a Grants program in which they give some free advertising to some projects: http://www.google.com/grants/details.html This might be something for Debian to pursue. I think GNOME applied for Google Grants recently and was approved, so we could ask them about their experience with it. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20100219154808.ga24...@jirafa.cyrius.com
Re: FOSDEM videos released
* Holger Levsen hol...@layer-acht.org [2009-02-15 18:09]: And second, I have no real clue how useful our streaming efforts are, I believe the recordings are useful, but in both cases feedback from people who find them useful is appreciated! I find them incredibly useful. There's so much going on at FOSDEM that I basically skip most of the talks in the Debian room because I know they're being recorded. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-project-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org
Re: Linux System Engineer (100%) in Zurich
* Don Armstrong [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-11-26 04:45]: If moderation was occuring before mailing list distribution, this would be a requeest to consider. As there isn't, there's not much to discuss. Actually, debian-jobs is moderated. I'm the acting moderator. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
* Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2008-02-07 00:07]: As an aside to this, if anyone has (or knows where I can obtain) proper rack mounting kits for the Cobalt RAQ2 system, I'd be most grateful. I believe I do. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
* Tim Cutts [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-29 16:27]: Er - I don't know, offhand. I'm not that familiar with either architecture, aside from running a bunch of IRIX systems about 10 years ago. These are two Cobalt boxes... It's mipsel. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
* Frans Pop [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-28 08:32]: Are there any known plans to add buildds for these arches and especially for mips and mipsel? If not, could we please make that a priority for the project? mips and mipsel have more buildds (mayr and mayer) but one has problems with its fan and the other with its psu. I don't know what is being done about this as the RT ticket is not public (or at least wasn't last time I checked). -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: No buildd redundancy for alpha/mips/mipsel
* Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-28 10:55]: mips and mipsel have more buildds (mayr and mayer) but one has problems with its fan and the other with its psu. I don't know what is being done about this as the RT ticket is not public (or at least wasn't last time I checked). Which one? There's no such ticket AFAIK. Feel free to submit them. (and I have access to the DSA private tickets) Ryan told me there's one. Maybe there isn't - I don't know. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Updated Debian Maintainers Keyring
* Joey Hess [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-11-23 17:17]: With the upload of debian-maintainers version 1.3, the following changes to the keyring have been made: dm:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Full name: Kartik Mistry I don't know if that was such a good idea, see #452464 -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Supported or Certified Hardware
* Mike Houle [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-10-02 14:04]: I am a QA engineer at Sun Microsystems and have been tasked with looking into supporting Debian on some of our systems. Many other OS vendors have a certification program for hardware and systems, where a series of tests are run and upon completion, the system/hardware is posted to a list of certified hardware for that OS. Is there any such program for Debian? We don't have such a program. However, it would be great if you could work with our debian-installer and kernel teams to make sure that Sun's hardware is supported. That work would involve testing daily images of the debian-installer and reporting issues to the debian-boot mailing list; see http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for some links. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: donation in EUR
* Florian DUVAL [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-08-01 15:17]: I want to makea donation, but i'm in the EURO zone, is it possible to donate in EUR ? Yes, please see http://www.ffis.de/Verein/spi-en.html Thanks for your interest. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: hosting offers
* Felipe Augusto van de Wiel (faw) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-06-05 01:20]: Maybe it would be worth setting up a separate (archived) mail alias @d.o and then tell people that they can send information there. That would be a start, at least. I had the impression that Hardware Donations Coordination was responsible for this No, hardware-donations is not responsible for hosting offers and hasn't had any such offer. I know some other people informally keep track of such offers, but it might be a good idea to record this information is some more organized way. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SGI Altix 350/3700 - 450/4700
* Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2007-03-12 14:27]: I wanted to know if you had any experience installing Debian on SGI Altix systems specifically the 350/3700 and 450/4700 product line based on Montecito (Itanium2). I information on the web about this but I wanted to know directly what was your official response. SGI Altix: is this an intel based system or a MIPS based system? Altix is IA-64 based. Stéphane Larose and dann frazier have done some work on Altix recently, so it's worth CCing them. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why does Ubuntu have all the ideas?
* Anthony Towns aj@azure.humbug.org.au [2006-07-29 16:05]: proviso that a bug gets filed with the NMU patch [0] at the same time. [0] Do we have a tool to automate that atm btw? What is it? nmudiff in the devscripts package. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
snapshot.d.net mirror (Re: Branding for Debian derivatives)
* Anthony Towns [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-07-29 16:59]: That would require us to maintain an essentially permanent archive for source packages, which at the moment we don't. But doing so would be useful for us too, no? By the way, can you please authorize funds to buy (or find a sponsor for) some hard drives for a snapshot.d.net mirror and look for someone who wants to run one. It's an incredibly useful service and I'd hate to see us lose this data. [In fact, some data has already been lost since the idea of a mirror came up :(] -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Shouldn't we have more ftp masters ?
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-06-01 23:10]: Which was a request, not a complaint. My complaints come from Bastian's response that no, he did not intend to focus -16 on getting 2.6.16 into testing, regardless of what bugs showed up in -15. Don't _all_ new kernel packages require NEW processing because kernel packages have the entire version string embedded in the package name (for good and sound reasons)? The package name only contains 2.6.x, not the Debian -revision. So 2.6.17 will require NEW processing, but a bug-fix release for 2.6.16 won't. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google summer of code
* Gasper Zejn [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-05-02 22:36]: I intend to apply for Google's summer of code for Debian's I18N infrastructure plan. Is there somebody I should discuss this with or should I just submit the application? Reviewing the discussions that happened on the debian-i18n list recently would certainly be a good idea. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Oracle has a Debian repository now
Lots of people are interested in Oracle support for Debian, so I thought I'd mention the following posting which describes Oracle's Debian repository - something which looks like a step in the right direction. http://frits.homelinux.com/wordpress/?p=9 -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Keysignings and other meetups (Was: etch before vista)
I noticed on occassion on -devel and planet that folks mention in passing that I'll be in MN in US from MAR 01 thru 05 and I'd like to have a beer and do keysigning. Would it be worthwhile to create a list like 'debian-meetup' (or debian-beer-meetup x-))that would allow folks to give this info on what would be a low-volume list. There are various mailing lists especially aimed for specific regions. Please see http://wiki.debian.org/LocalGroups -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: bet there are no senior citizen developers
* MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-23 12:48]: This one time, at band camp, Michael Banck said: [...] Or rethink whether your issue needs posting at all. This is Jidanni you're talking to. Please follow Michael Banck's advice before posting more opaque comments that look like pure personal attacks. To make this less opaque, see for example #357095 (and pay attention to the contents of the control message). [Having said that, I think many of his bug reports are valuable and that developers sometimes close bugs too quickly because of his bad reputation for filing random bug reports that only waste people's time; see e.g. #347975] -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Uninstallation of GRUB with windows or use of xwindow system
* [od] eeman [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-03-23 16:19]: I installed debian recently and i believed it would be somewhat like slackware linux. Apparently I was wrong. At first I thought it would be nice to dual boot debian with windows (and it is) But this was because I had originally thought that the start and startx and xconf would work with debian thinking they were standard linux commands. Which version did you install exactly? During package selection, did you choose the desktop task. If so, a graphical environment (and startx) would have been installed. Please start tasksel and choose Desktop environment. It will then install the packages you need. (mail-followup-to set to debian-boot) -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What is an official sub-project of Debian?
We contacted Branden/DPL about a month ago to seek permission for Debonaras (Debian On Nas And Routers And Stuff) to become an official sub-project of Debian. Branden responded that he was at a conference and that he'll respond in more detail later; in the meantime, we can say that we're seeking status as an official subproject. Talking to some other people about sub-projects, they said that that one can become an official sub-project either through the DPL or debian-project, but nobody really knew for sure... At the moment, it's not clear how something becomes an official sub-project and what this status entails. I therefore thought that I'd forward the original message to debian-project so we can have a discussion about this. It's not as if Debonaras is the only project in this situation. In the past, we have had discussions about projects which called themselves official even though it wasn't very clear that they were officially endorsed. In fact, a similar question was raised just a few days ago regarding an effort to produce a live CD of Debian [1, 2]. There are a number of questions, such as: - What kind of requirements does a project have to be an official sub-project? In the past, the point was raised that they have to follow the constitution of Debian, e.g. be accountable to the DPL or GRs. Another question is how many official Debian developers you need to have involved to be an official sub-project. Does the project need to use debian.org infrastructure, or can they use their own infrastructure? - Can sub-projects handle their own finances, and e.g. ask for donations (helpful for projects such as Debonaras, which needs to buy hardware for their porting efforts). What about accountability? I'm sure there are lots of other questions. I hope that we can have a productive discussion and in the end come up with some guidelines against which future prospective sub-projects can be measured. [1] http://blog.philkern.de/archives/134-Re-Debian-Live-Ressources-sic.html [2] http://blog.daniel-baumann.ch/2006/02/28#20060228_re_debian-live-ressources * Rod Whitby [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2006-01-28 10:05]: To: Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED], Lennert Buytenhek [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Branden, I lead the NSLU2-Linux project (http://www.nslu2-linux.org) which develops custom firmware images for the Linksys NSLU2, an ARM based consumer network attached storage device, as well as other similar devices (Iomega NAS 100d, Synology DS-101, etc). I also lead the Debonaras project (Debian on NAS and Routers and Stuff - http://www.debonaras.org). That project has a charter of porting the Debian distribution to consumer devices (NAS devices, routers, etc) with attached storage. The presence of large attached storage means that we can run the full Debian distribution, rather than having to resort to minimal distribution installations like Emdebian. For some time now we have been developing support for running Debian on the NSLU2. Recently, we joined our efforts with two Debian developers, Joey Hess and Martin Michlmayr, and we're working with them to merge out efforts into Debian proper. This effort has now come to the point where we are ready to release official Debian installer images for the device as part of debian-installer. We have a page called DebianSlug (Slug is the common name for the NSLU2 device) at http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/DebianSlug/HomePage which gives installation instructions about Debian on the NSLU2. This effort has been very successful, but as mentioned above we see it as only the first starting point in a much bigger mission: to port Debian to a wide range of embedded devices with attached storage, which are becoming increasingly popular. We have set up the Debonaras project (Debian on NAS and Routers and Stuff), and would like to ask for permission to join Debian as an official sub-project, in a similar fashion to the Emdebian project. Apart from the porting effort to the NSLU2, in which some Debian developers are involved, the Debonaras project is also supporting (through shared development resources, and some buildd hardware) the effort behind the armeb (big-endian ARM) port of Debian (which is related to Debonaras but separately led by Lennert Buytenhek); we're working closely with Andreas Barth and Wouter Verhelst, who make sure that only official Debian developers upload sid packages to armeb.debian.net so the can port later be integrated into the Debian archive. I'm aware that there is no formal policy about Debian sub-projects. We believe, however, that we are a good candidate for a sub-project and we are fully committed to integrating our work into Debian. As mentioned above, we also have a number of Debian developers on our team, and some other members (including myself) are in the process
Re: Intel notebooks for needy developers in developing countries
* Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-12-08 21:08]: Intel is so generous to provide Debian with ten notebooks (besides some server hardware), which we would like to give to developers in developing countries who It would be nice to see a list of people who received those laptops and what they intend to do with them with regards to Debian. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New build machines for mips and mipsel
Broadcom, who have previously donated a number of fast MIPS development boards to a number of Debian developers, have recently donated two boards to be used as build machines. Branden authorized some money to be spent on more RAM and some IDE disks and these machines are now hosted at Oregon State University. Ryan Murray has installed the machines and is now running buildds on them. One machine is used in little-endian mode (mipsel) while the other one is building the big-endian mips archive. These are fast machines (dual-core 800 MhZ) and can easily keep up with daily uploads. Broadcom will probably donate two more boards in the near future so we can implement permanent buildd redundancy on both mips and mipsel. Thanks. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Pure Trademark Issue
* Robert Tolu [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-11-01 07:30]: The name is now GenieOS and the link to the home page is: Thank you very much, and good luck! -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sun Wah's 140,000 desktop PC RAYS LX deployment
People might be interested in the following news article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/cmp/20051006/tc_cmp/171203414 According to it, Sun Wah has won a bid for the deployment of over 140,000 machines in China using RAYS LX, a Debian based distro. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 11 Sep 2005. 1 applicant became a maintainer. Loïc Minier lool I'm 23 years old and I live in France, I live since two years with the woman I love. I completed a french baccalaurat and a german Abitur at the LFA (Deutsch-Franzözisches Gymnasium, in Buc). I followed technical studies in an engineers school in France (École Centrale Paris, in Châtenay-Malabry). I'm now working for a small software editor, Inexbee, in Courbevoie. [...] Since I'm a Debian user, I tried to be an active bug submitter and patcher, picking random bugs or packages and trying to enhance them. Altogether I tried to make Debian better, because it was the distribution I wanted to contribute to. I now would like to have a deeper participation in Debian, which would include maintaining orphaned packages for users who still find them useful, introducing new packages, and enhancing the integration between packages. This is probably best qualified as QA work, but I'm not sure this will be my main domain of participation. Right now, I've been mostly involved with the GNOME team, and followed random bugs in the BTS, took over the maintenance of rhythmbox, and I'm packaging a Perl library called libconf. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 04 Sep 2005. 2 applicants became maintainers. Christoph Berg myon I am a 27 year old computer science PhD student living in Saarbrcken in south-western Germany. I discovered the world of Linux and open source somewhere around 1995 and came to Debian about 3 years later. [...] On the non-Debian grounds, I am the upstream of ircmarkers and one of the active pisg developers. I am active on #mutt and #procmail and in the MuttWiki. [...] in which I'd like to contribute to Debian include ham radio applications, more Bridge-related packages, i18n support (utf-8, gettext, DDTP, aspell dictionaries), and QA work. And of course lots of other things as time evolves :-) Christopher Martin chrsmrtn I recently graduated from the University of Toronto with a Masters in History. Thus computing has always been a hobby, but one to which I devote considerable time. In 2001 I decided to try Linux, and though I installed several distributions, quickly settled upon Debian. While I came for the quality, I've since stayed for the community and the commitment to Free Software, which I find empowering and philosophically agreeable. Until 2004 I was content to evangelize Debian as a user. However, a combination of a desire to contribute back to the community, and to be a part of what I see as an important movement (Debian exemplifying the collective technical and social potential of Free Software), not to mention the presence of several itches in a few packages I used, led me to become a package maintainer, and as I honed my skills, to gradually increase the scope of my contribution. My long-term plans include the continued expansion of my work on the KDE packages, as part of a broader goal to improve Debian on the desktop. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 28 Aug 2005. 1 applicant became a maintainer. Kurt Roeckx kroeckx I have a master degree in electronics option ICT. For my job I'm a programmer in C/C++ and also some assembler. In my spare time I also program software, mostly in C. I'm a Linux user since 1995 when I got myself a Slackware CD which I've used for a long time. I have always upgraded it manually to the latests versions. I got more involved in Debian when I got my amd64. The debian-amd64 port wasn't really going anywhere at that time. I've started the amd64 packages repository on alioth and after some time I got some help with building and uploading the packages. Since then I've been building packages, looking at the failed build logs, submitting bug reports and patches to the BTS. I've also made the debian-installer work for amd64 and still do the daily builds. I'm a free software user and developer because I believe in the principles of free software. I want others to benefit from the work I, just as I do from the work others do. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
Centrale in 2002, I decided to take the time to properly learn Linux, and installed my first Debian system. Since then, I have only been using Windows very marginally. I also became developer in the VideoLAN project (http://www.videolan.org). I first interested myself in Debian Development in June 2003, I started making packages. My first real work for Debian, though, was french l10n. For Debian, I would like to make packages, to work on l10n (and why not, on i18n). I would also like to make some QA work, because I find a pity to see some poorly maintained and updated packages. Alan Woodland awoodland I am currently a third year computer science student at the University of Wales, Aberystywth. For quite sometime now I have had a keen interest in the free software world, and would like to develop this interest further. I have been reading the lists of requested and orphaned packages recently, looking to increase the number of packages that I maintain, provided that I am interested in the application and sufficiently confident I can maintain it to a high standard. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-15 14:20]: trademark list this week. In terms of DCC, that will be up the DPL and the SPI board who will, conveniently enough, be meeting tomorrow IIRC. David, can we get something on the agenda for this? I do not have a proposal but I would like to sound folks out and, if possible, have Greg there as well. A proposal would be premature anyway imho. Has anyone actually brought forwards any good arguments against my posting arguing why we should not give them (or anyone else) exclusivity? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 14 Aug 2005. 5 applicants became maintainers. David Moreno Garza damog My name is David Moreno Garza, I'm 20 years old, studying Computer and Electronic Engineering at UIA, in Mexico City. I started using Debian just a couple of years ago, introduced by some friends in high school, and since then, I've seen a wonderful concept, a nice ideology for knowledge, community and freedom. I started helping Debian doing some translations to Spanish, specially DWN, and the d-i installation manual. Also, I have several packages on the archive, aimed to desktop or mathematics related, which are the areas where I work with in the real world. I'm helping also, with a couple of Ruby packages, language I find pretty elegant and fun. Recently, I started dcontrol subproject of Debian Desktop. dcontrol stands for Debian Control Center, where we are working to bring a complete configuration panel for desktop/newbie users of Debian, which we believe more work is needed. Lots of people are interested and starting to help. The idea is to bring a tool unified for anything configurable on a Debian system, without any pain. What I plan to do for Debian also, is to work with the QA team, packing desktop (specially GNOME) stuff and probably, in the future, support organizing Debconf6 in Mexico. And, of course, keep on packing interesting software and bringing it to Debian. Yutaka Niibe gniibe Well, my little history. It was 1988, when I first read GNU Manifest. It was 1990, when I first sent bug report to RMS. It was 1992, when I knew Linux. I became PLIP driver maintainer of Linux, it was 1993-1998. I've ported Linux (kernel) to SuperH architecture, it was 1999, and maintained. We established the Free Software Initiative of Japan in 2002. The reason I work for Free Software is, it is very important to our society, and I believe Free Software is the best way of cooperation. Cai Qian caiqian I am current a postgraduate in China. I have used Linux for 4 years with a variety of distros, and finally find Debian. I must say: Debian is best one for me. As I use it more with everyday work, I am eager to involve in and help this project. I think this is a way to give back to free software community. On the other hand, lots of chinese people want to involve in Debian, but they faces some kinds of problem, such as reading English docs, hard to get PGP signed with a offical DD(there are only 2 chinese) and etc. So I think I can help them in some way and introduce more softwares to Debian to benefit them. Martin Zobel-Helas zobel I am an 26 year old computer science student living in Rossdorf (near Darmstadt), Germany. I discoverd the world of open source software and Linux somewhere around 1996 and installed my first Debian about 4 years later. I was delighted on the easy update mechanismn Debian had. I attended the real life Bug Squashing Party in Munich in April 2004, and helped later on in organizing the real life BSPs in Darmstadt in August and in Frankfurt in November. I also try to help with porting issues in ways of giving access to hardware platforms. I also helped on several fairs to run a booth for the Debian project. I am interessted in helping bringing up support for debian-volatile (which mirror-coordination i currently do). I would be also interested in maintaining further parts of volatiles infrastructure. Kilian Krause kilian Kilian is involved in packaging pwlib/openh323/gnomemeeting and other packages; see http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2004/02/msg1.html for more information. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: New Maintainers
* Frank Lichtenheld [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-08-15 02:00]: This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 14 Aug 2005. 5 applicants became maintainers. I know for a fact that some accounts were created in the last weeks that were neither mentioned in the weekly mail on -newmaint nor in a New Maintainers mail here. This is probably due to the db.debian.org move in between. Has anyone a list of these accounts? Only one, Helen Faulkner helen, accounted created on 2005-07-15 afaict but for some reason she doesn't show up in http://lists.debian.org/debian-newmaint/2005/07/msg00062.html Helen Faulkner helen I am a physicist, currently working in Sheffield, UK, though I'll be moving back to Australia in a few months. Australia is home for me :) I have a general interest in computers and programming which originated in my research (I do a lot of simulation and theory calculations). I have been using Linux for a few years now, since my housemate bugged me into letting him install Debian on my computer ;) I guess I initially used it because I was curious to learn about Linux and I found increasingly that the software available was useful for my work. I now use Debian for almost 100% of my work and most of my other activities with computers. I agree with the ideals of the open source software movement, would like to see more of its idea happening in academic science, and generally think it's a great thing for humanity to discover at this point in history. Debian appeals to me because it embodies the ideals of that movement very well, and because I enjoy using it. I want to volunteer my time for Debian because I enjoy doing volunteer work in things that interest me (have done loads of volunteer work before, in varied fields, including sailing tall ships, visiting elderly people with my dog, being involved in mentoring schemes at uni, etc). This is the first volunteer work I have done in an area like this, and as such it appeals to me. This whole Debian thing is entertaining too! I intend to focus my work in Debian in two main areas. One is maintaining packages, mainly kde things, like the ones I am already maintaining. The other aim I have is to help make the debian-women project a working, effective resource for the Debian community. I think there is lots to do in that project, and that I have something to offer there :) -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Debian Core Consortium ? Why not UserLinux? Why not Debian?
* Jeff Licquia [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-28 11:46]: At DebConf, it was announced that there are somewhere around 130 different distros based on Debian. Do you think that bringing some of these closer together, and closer to Debian proper, is a bad thing? I agree that this is a good idea but I fail to see how this new alliance will bring this about. Why do we need yet another 3rd party to foster closer cooperation with Debian (instead of creating the structures which are needed within Debian)? Do you seriously think that a new organization which hasn't actually talked to Debian at all before being created will help bring some of these closer to Debian proper? What is this alliance about exactly anyway? From what I've seen, it takes the core of Debian and offers some guarantees to ISVs, such as longer security support and possible updates to some packages. If this is correct, this sounds like a combination for better security support of a certain base plus the idea of volatile.d.net to me. Why don't you offer your resources to the Debian project, help out with the security team and support the volatile.d.net project (and then we could possibly also upgrade it to an official service)? This way, everyone would benefit, we could truly call it the Debian core and your alliance would still get the credit for making it happen and for working with ISVs (the former being something companies can do much better than Debian as a project). -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-26 05:33]: Re the organization formerly known as the Debian Core Consortium: No need. We won't use the word Debian in the name--we'll call ourselves the DCC Alliance, where DCC stands for Debian Common Core. My buddies and me are going to create the PRHMS Alliance. If anyone really asks (but I'm sure nobody will care), PRHMS stands for Progeny, Red Hat, Microsoft - but we don't have any trademark problems since our name doesn't contain any trademarks. Gee, I'm sure nobody will ask what DCC refers to. The first two articles I've seen this about new DCCA clearly contain the DEBIAN trademark. The public relations manager of desktop Linux vendor Linspire Inc., Heather MacKenzie, revealed that the the DCC's official name is the Debian Common Core Alliance. http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1895,1844684,00.asp How does that not contain the word Debian in the name? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Why Debian Core Consortium ? Why not UserLinux? Why not Debian?
this happen within Debian, etc). -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Core Consortium
* Ian Murdock [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-07-24 07:25]: As always, feedback welcome. We're not trying to step on any toes. http://www.educ.umu.se/~bjorn/mhonarc-files/debian-announce/msg00083.html -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
into how much better apt-get was, and I've been using Debian since. In early 2000 I started working on gaim, and spent nearly two years working on that. I added OSCAR support (the official AOL protocol, which is now also used by ICQ), multi-protocol support, plugins, For Debian, besides just creating and maintaining packages, I'd like to get involved in the new maintainer process, possibly becoming an AM myself. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: disbursement approvals and email privacy
* Branden Robinson / Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-26 18:45]: Details are attached. Martin has complained, with some justification, that I may have disclosed sensitive information by posting this message to -project instead of -private. (More specifically, he feels I may have breached his trust by redistributing a private mail he sent me.) I don't care about the information that were posted because I have nothing to hide. I undertook all of that travel (and much more) and have receipts for all items. The point I was trying to make is that I sent a private message (i.e not to a public mailing list) and it was forwarded without my permission. I think that permission should be sought before doing so [*]. More generally (and probably more importantly), my complaint was also that I think posting too much information wastes other people's time. Do you CC your manager at work on every message you send? Do accounts at a company send a detailed summary for every single expense to every employee? I think a monthly report of expenses and stating something like DPL related expenses for Martin would be enough, and if people want to know details, they can always ask. I'm all for transparency and making information available, but I'm worried about wasting developers' time by posting useless drivel (or stuff which people misinterpret, see slashdot). [*] Also, my complaint was done in private and I didn't give consent that it may be mentioned on a public list. I'm not trying to give Branden a hard time here, by the way; however, having received mail sent to leader@ for two years, I know that there is a lot sent there to which the senders would not blindly consent it being forwarded to a public list. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshot.debian.net
* Andreas Barth [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-25 13:12]: I consider binary packages as extrem useful to check for dependency changes etc, or for fixing issues in some core packages where you need to take an older version for building a newer one. Also, snapshot.d.net could be used for automated upgrade testing between different versions and all kind of combinations. This is a great project just waiting to be implemented by someone... -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: snapshot.debian.net
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-25 19:58]: Instead, if you really want to set up a European mirror, buy a couple of disks in Japan, ask them folks over there to make a copy, set it up with the same scripts here, rsync it once, and name it snapshot-eu.debian.net. Actually, that's what I suggested to Ukai-san too but he thought that rsyncing the archive across the net would be a better idea. He wrote a simple script for this which basically uses rsync and cp and goes through every day. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Spi-trademark] Re: debian domains
* MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-13 14:21]: Anyway, before we can enforce our trademark, we actually need an updated and coherent trademark policy. I'm disappointed by your inaction. The current permission statement does not permit any use which seems to cover this case. http://www.debian.org/News/1998/19980306a Further, the SPI Trademark Committee charter resolution suggests that trademark disputes have been resolved in the past. Why do you think that updating the policy is *required* before action? Because life isn't always as simple as you may seem. There are basically two matters which have to be resolved first: 1. SPI had two lawyers at some point and when I asked them about their opinion on enforcing the trademark on domains, I got two different answers. One thought we shouldn't do it because it would open Debian/SPI up to law suites and that this would also be a never ending task (given how many domain names contain debian in them). The other lawyer thought we should enforce the trademark. This dispute got resolved when one lawyer changed firms and the new one didn't let him do pro-bono work for SPI anymore. So before we do anything, I suggest we get a third, independent opinion and see how other projects handle this situation. 2. While the current trademark policy may be enough to enforce some domains, it is certainly not enough for all the domains currently on my list. If we decide to enforce the trademark this way, we should do it for all; given that the domains currently in question don't seem particularly urgent, I suggest we wait until we have a clear procedure and policy. You are of course right that some trademark disputes have been handled already. In fact, I personally asked the Trusted Debian people to change their name, but this situation was imho different since it required urgent action (changing the name of a new project is much easier than doing it two years later...). Finally, Greg's time is limited and I think working on the trademark policy and a license for the Debian logo are of higher priority than this matter. Which doesn't mean this matter is not important - I raised it here so I know how people think about this matter; will allow us to act faster once we have proper procedures in place. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: getting lully back on-line [Was, Re: I'll be a son of a bitch.]
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-14 12:10]: Has anyone asked the DPL to authorize purchasing new drives for lully? Martin, is this feasible? Yes, sure. It might be better though to ship the box to someone who can host it and who knows about Alphas. Just in case there are problems again at some point in the future. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [Spi-trademark] Re: debian domains
* MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-04-12 20:58]: Will the outgoing DPL do this for the domains which triggered this enquiry, please? It seems like it's a simple update to the summary posted to debian-project with copies of any original emails. There are other domains which are imho more problematic than those mentioned in this thread. Anyway, before we can enforce our trademark, we actually need an updated and coherent trademark policy. I don't think this will happen in my term so I have put together a listing of problematic domain names I'm aware of which I'll send to the next DPL along with some other oustanding issues. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sarge Concerns
and refuse to put the X Window System on my computer. With Sarge, though, the last time I tried it, I noticed that the dictionary for Open Office Org seemed to be put on my computer. Now why should that dictionary be on my computer if I do not plan on putting Open Office Org on my computer. Now, I realize that I have only tried Open Office Org when I tried Fedora, Suse, Lycoris and Knoppix on my computer, but the implementations of Open Office Org on those particular distributions appeared to be very buggy and slow to me and I do not particularly desire to have it on my computer, so why is it necessary that I have any part of that program on my computer? Conclusion As mentioned above, I consider myself an average, unsophisticated user of free software. When I have problems, it takes me quite awhile to find out the answers because the answers are not obviously available, but gradually by reading documentation and doing searches on Google, I can come up with some of the answers to my problems. I thought I would share my concerns because I realize that for the most part the Debian community consists of developers rather than naive users and I thought that airing my concerns would perhaps give some insight to others as to the needs and concerns of naive users. Bill Larson -- ()ascii ribbon campaign - against html mail /\ - against microsoft attachments - End forwarded message - -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Survey on FLOSS
* Frank Küster [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-30 16:47]: The survey seems to be broken. I get a Record not found message. The Webmaster link does nothing. It worked fine here. Here too, and I forwarded John's message to the people running the survey and they didn't find anything wrong either. John, do you still see this problem? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Bits from the ftpmaster team
* Kees Leune [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-18 13:44]: I hope so; Can any conclusions been drawn from the list on http://nm.debian.org/nmlist.php#waiting regarding the order in which the appkications will be processed? Yes, the DAM said that he's going through the backlog more or less in a FIFO. (This is normally not guaranteed for DAM processing, though.) For the last number of weeks, I have had 35 people ahead of me in the queue, which went up to 36 yesterday or so. You won't have many people appear before you; the list is sorted by AM approval date so new approvals will appear behind you in the queue. However, some people may be on hold at the FD stage, and therefore temporarily not appear in the DAM listing, but later pass the FD stage and then appear in front of other people. This happened with Cai Qian a few days ago. forename |surname| decision | last_modified -+---++--- Kees| Leune | 2005-01-31 | 2005-02-03 00:19:28.152502+01 Cai | Qian | 2004-12-13 | 2005-03-16 23:39:39.567536+01 -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch Release Tracking in debbugs (Was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-16 13:31]: For what it's worth, I feel like release issues are broad-based and heirarchical. Something necessary for release like finish d-i has multiple subtasks, and even subteams within the d-i team to manage the process. The BTS currently does not have this concept Well, one specific subtask would simply be one bug report, then you could have a higher level d-i bug report which depends on all the specific issues and then have etch depend on that. I think the most important thing is to have *one* bug report for one issue. This way, you can easily close it when it's done. What the BTS allows really badly is to update one bug report which covers multiple things (because you cannot really delete stuff from a bug report, only add new information; so big bug reports get really hard to read after a while). An alternate possibility is a whole new codebase that's completely independant of the BTS, but can interface with it. Things like the qa developer pages take this tactic. Indeed, this may be the way to go. Have some system which offers to link to the BTS and to graphs on the web or so. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Question for all candidates: Security team
* Henning Makholm [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 12:32]: It has been asserted on several occasions over the last few years that the security team is overworked and understaffed. This is a problem that is hard for the average developer to help with, because someone who spontaneously volunteers for the job out of the blue shouldn't be entrusted with secrets anyway. I'll leave your questions to the DPL candidates to them, but I'd like to point out that your sentence above is factually wrong - I know there is a common misconception that it's hard to contribute to security work (and this misconception makes it hard to find volunteers), but this is not true. It has been repeatedly pointed out on public mailing lists that you do not have to be a member of the security team, or even a Debian developer, to make significant contributions to Debian's security support. Most of the security work is tracking vulnerabilities, finding or backporting patches and preparing packages. Anyone can do that, and the security team has invited people to help with these tasks. Essentially, you only need a member of the security team to actually upload the source and publish an advisory, but *everything* else can be done by other people. People can: - monitor security lists - check if bugs reported there apply to Debian - file bug reports in the BTS - send patches (either by grabbing them from the security lists, from other vendors, from upstream, or by writing them) - prepare packages - draft advisories See http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2005/03/msg00014.html (which is about testing but the same applies to stable) and http://lists.debian.org/debian-security/2001/09/msg00225.html which give more information. Furthermore, there has been a long discussion about having a database to keep better track of security issues. Matt Zimmerman (or a friend of his) wanted to work on this, but I'm not sure it ever went anywhere. If he has mails outlining what it needs to do someone could possibly implement it and thereby help the security team. Finally, there is also a Debian audit project which helps to improve security in the long run. http://www.debian.org/security/audit/ (Mail-Followup-To: debian-project since this is imho more appropriate. maybe even -security but I hope -project will get more people involved in security work) -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to be debian developer
* Christoph Berg [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 14:12]: The baseline is: you don't ask for participating, you just do it by getting involded in the areas you are interested in. What you say is basically true. However, many Asian countries are very new to free software (open source) development and don't have an established development community yet. While they can read the documention we supply (which is fairly thorough and well done), it also helps to have a direct contact person who can answer questions and to organize practical sessions introducing interested people to ways of contributing to Debian. I've talked to people from various Asian countries at the conference in Beijing who were interested in establishing a development community and I offered to give them some help. This is just FYI. Your reply(s) were helpful already, and I appreciate them. In many cases, people don't get good pointers on how to start. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: How to be debian developer
* Rapid Sun [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 16:35]: Cambodia is new to Open Source. I am very interesting in this and some of my students want to be debian developer. Can you tell me how can we start on this? In addition to what the other people have already said, I intend to write a message with some information to the people I met in Beijing. I've been ill since returning from China, but I hope I'll find time to write the message soon. I'll send it to you too. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch Release Tracking in debbugs (Was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-16 14:20]: Now that Joey posted a patch to debbugs implementing the dependencies between bugs, could we think in creating a virtual s/virtual/pseudo/ A virtual package is something else. package etch, and using it to formalize and track the goals for etch? I'd say the patch needs to be added to the BTS first. ;) Also, we don't have any pseudo package for edge or release management stuff yet, so someone has to request it (and before requesting it think about how it will be used and what we really need). So the steps are: 1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] to test and apply the patch 2) someone to mail -release so they can think about the issues above -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch Release Tracking in debbugs (Was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-16 14:38]: Also, we don't have any pseudo package for edge or release management stuff yet, so someone has to request it (and before requesting it think about how it will be used and what we really need). That's what I'm trying to do here. But maybe I should start this discussion in -release to be more productive. Sorry, I hope my reply didn't appear as unproductive or hostile. Since your last mail was sent directly to me with a CC to the list, I thought I'd just point out that it's not me making a decision here. Anyway, I'd personally like to see more discussion about how to use this feature before actually going ahead and using it. There are the obvious use scenarios of actually using it to track real bug dependencies. I can also imagine an edge pseudo package to track some issues. However, how far should this go? Should we have a bug report for *every* issue and have 'edge' depend on it? Some projects do it like this and I think it works for them. On the other hand, we use the BTS for WNPP and I feel a specific system would be more suitable for it than the BTS (for example, using the BTS for WNPP makes it really hard to figure out when the status of a WNPP bug last changed). While I'm a great fan of proper tracking (including archival), I just wonder if the BTS is suitable, or maybe it just needs more features. For example, to keep track of tasks, it would also be helpful to have some kind of overview of the completion of a task (70% done). The BTS doesn't have this feature at the moment, maybe it should... or maybe we need some specific task tracking system. I personally haven't thought about it enough. Maybe these thoughts will lead to some discussion. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Etch Release Tracking in debbugs (Was: Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* Michael Banck [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-17 02:15]: Also, we don't have any pseudo package for edge or release management stuff yet, Eeek, it's 'etch' :P Doh, thanks. I see I made this typo several times (in other postings too). I think I'll be able to get it right from now on. Maybe I should be sent to the blackboard to write it a 1000 times. ;-) -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Funding developer meetings (was Re: Debian-Edu developer meeting in Nafplion, Greece)
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-15 19:58]: If people are planning developer meetings (and I think there has been some discussions about getting the QA people together into a room), please do send a proposal to debian-project and leader@ and we'll see See http://lists.debian.org/debian-vote/2005/03/msg00659.html for some questions to ask when thinking of organizing a meeting. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
64 bit PowerPC porting machine available
The University of Augsburg and IBM have provided some of our developers with access to three POWER based machines (OpenPower 720 [1]) to help with Debian's port to 64 bit PowerPC. We have also been given a G5 on loan which can be used for debian-installer, glibc and other work. The G5 is currently with Jeff Bailey. A selected number of (powerpc, d-i, glibc, gcc) developers have gained access to the POWER systems already. Bastian Blank announced some success with powerpc64 support for glibc today [2]. If you are interested in working on the powerpc64, please contact me and I'll see if I can arrange an account for you. There'll probably be more general access in the future. [1] http://www-1.ibm.com/servers/eserver/openpower/hardware/720.html [2] http://lists.debian.org/debian-glibc/2005/03/msg00088.html -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Tool to track release status (Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 12:20]: And I'd like to suggest the formalization and tracking of these milestones in the etch's release page at Debian site. I've begun work on a tool to just that. Can you describe it in more detail? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Open Letter to Debian Community]
* Daniel Ruoso [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 17:09]: That sounds like a good idea, actually. Make it a policy proposal? That's not how policy works, but it should probably be mentioned in the Developer's Reference. Feel free to file a wishlist bug. Well, I must admit that this email surprised me. If/when debtags is integrated in the core of the packaging system in Debian, wouldn't it be specified in policy? Policy describes current practice rather than dictacting it. So once debtags has been integrated in the core and made a requirement, policy *might* add it [*], but certainly not before. [*] But I assume debtags will remain optional and therefore not make policy. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Tool to track release status (Re: Bits (Nybbles?) from the Vancouver release team meeting)
* David Nusinow [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-14 12:39]: Can you describe it in more detail? I've originally described it here: http://lists.debian.org/debian-release/2005/03/msg4.html Thanks, I'm quite interested in this. I think better planning and tracking of progress is crucial for having releases which are on time. Someone recently pointed the Scrum process out to me (see e.g. http://c2.com/cgi/wiki?ScrumProcess) which might have some ideas we could adopt. In any case, it's important to employ a process and tools people will actually *use*, so I'd like to see more concrete discussions of your proposed system before you go ahead implementing it. Has anyone planned a how to improve the release BOF or talk for DebConf5? -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian donations in Australia
In cooperation with Linux Australia, Debian is now able to accept donations in Australia. See http://www.linux.org.au/projects/donations/ and http://lists.linux.org.au/archives/linux-aus/2005-March/msg00058.html -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Statistics about the project
* Maykel Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-04 12:01]: - Amount of developers There are about 950 official Debian developers and several hundreds more of contributors (e.g. package maintainers, translators). - Countries of developers and its percent respect all countries. http://www.nl.debian.org/devel/developers.loc shows a map of Debian developers around the world. http://db.debian.org gives information about where people come from. - Amount of source packages 12815:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: /org/qa.debian.org/data/ftp] grep '^Package: ' stable/main/Sources.main | wc -l 5220 12816:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: /org/qa.debian.org/data/ftp] grep '^Package: ' testing/main/Sources.main | wc -l 8488 12817:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: /org/qa.debian.org/data/ftp] grep '^Package: ' unstable/main/Sources.main | wc -l 8856 You may also be interested in the following paper which contains statistics about Debian 2.2: http://people.debian.org/~jgb/debian-counting/ There has been work on doing the same with woody and sarge, but they haven't been published yet. -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: VA Linux / Sun Wah Linux to push Debian in China/Japan
* Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2005-03-02 09:38]: I'm surprised that I haven't seen anything about this on the mailing lists (but OTOH I was probably just asleep - or is it vapourware anyway and we'll never again hear anything about it?) They are pretty serious about working with us and contributing their changes back. Sun Wah has just organized the first Asia Debian mini-conference (see http://debian.org.cn/en/events/admc2005/) earlier this week to establish a better relationship with the community and to create a stronger community in China. There is also major interest in Debian at the Asia OSS Symposium (http://www.asia-oss.org/) which is currently taking place. I'll try to send a more detailed report once the event is over and I'm back home, but it's pretty exciting. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Matthew Garrett, our new representative on the GNOME advisory board
The following was never formally announced so I'm doing this now: In July 2004, I appointed Matthew Garrett as our representative on the GNOME advisory board. Matthew attended the advisory board meeting at GUADEC 2004 and subsequently sent a report [1]. Since then he has been following the GNOME advisory board mailing list and will attend future meetings. I have updated our memberships page [2] accordingly (in CVS). [1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2004/07/msg00027.html [2] http://www.debian.org/misc/memberships -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Joerg Jaspert, an additional DAM
Joerg Jaspert has been appointed as an additional Debian Account Manager (DAM). He has gone through some applications in the last few days already and he'll continue to work on more. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Debian's financial status (was Re: Google ads on debian.org)
* Helen Faulkner [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-14 16:41]: (OT) Is information about Debian's financial status available publically? Where would I look to be able to form my own opinion as to whether an income stream from such ads, or from other sources, is needed? If you become a member of SPI, you can subscribe to spi-private and will get updates on donations every so often. I don't think there's any public information available about the money held by FFIS on behalf of Debian. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Google ads on debian.org
I received the following message from someone at Google: Google is interested in advertising on debian.org. I realize your site currently isn't running any advertising, however what we're proposing is much different, and complimentary to your sites goal. Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd ask on -project to see what other people think. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google ads on debian.org
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13 17:08]: Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd ask on -project to see what other people think. Michael Banck pointed out on IRC that I should explain what google ads actually are. The basic idea behind google ads is that you don't simply show random ads, but ads which fit in very well with the contents of the page - therefore, the likehood that the ad is of relevance to the view ofer the page is quite high. More information can be found at https://www.google.com/adsense/ Let me quote one paragraph which summarizes it fairly well: | When your content changes, so do your ads. | Google AdSense technology goes beyond simple keyword or category | matching. We work hard to understand your content and deliver ads that | are precisely targeted to specific pages, automatically, no matter how | many thousands of pages your site may have, or how specialised or | broad your content. As your content changes, Google's ads change to | match. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google ads on debian.org
* Martin Michlmayr - Debian Project Leader [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13 17:08]: I received the following message from someone at Google: [...] Normally, I reply to advertising requests on debian.org with a polite no. However, given that google ads are widely considered different to normal ads, and might even enhance a web site, I thought I'd ask on -project to see what other people think. Okay, thanks to everyone who has offered their opinion. I read through every response and it seems that there is a fairly clear consensus. I will respond to Google that we're not interested in their offer. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Google ads on debian.org
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-12-13 18:34]: Is there a way for us to get a feel what Google would consider relevant? E.g. a page at google.com which would show us some of the ads to give us a general feel of how good their selection is? This is getting a bit off-topic now. I was told there's a preview tool which will allow you to see what ads would appear if we were currently running Google's ad program. It's available at https://www.google.com/adsense/previewtool#2 but it currently only supports Internet Explorer. I pointed out to them already that they should consider adding support for free software browsers in the future. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Theo de Raadt On Firmware Activism
http://kerneltrap.org/node/view/4118 -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Hyrican Informationssysteme AG
* Michelle Konzack [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-11-01 20:54]: Bieten Sie Linux-Services an oder suchen sie Firmen, die Linux-Services (auf Basis von Debian) anbieten ? Also firmen die Linux-Services anbeiten finden sie auf debian-consultants und auf der Webseite. http://www.debian.org/consultants/#Germany http://www.debian.org/CD/vendors/#de -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Debian Hardware Vendor
* Rishi [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-10-30 11:22]: I'm an individual that would like to get listed on your website as some that can provide hardware with Debian Linux pre-installed. How do I go about getting listed? Please follow the instructions at the end of http://www.debian.org/distrib/pre-installed -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: Reiser4 filesystem
* Aldous Huxley [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-10-12 14:46]: Is Debian planning on using this filesystem for it's next stable release? We will ship a kernel-patch-2.6-reiser4 package with which you can easily build a kernel with reiser4 support. However, we won't provide reiser4 support in our standard kernel until the code has been accepted upstream by the kernel developers (and it seems this won't happen soon). -- Martin Michlmayr http://www.cyrius.com/
Re: The Debian Project By-Laws
* martin f krafft [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-29 17:09]: constructed their By-Laws. Does the Debian Project have any such By- Laws, and if so, are they publically available? SPI[0] is Debian's legal umbrella organisation. You can find the applicable By-Laws online[1]. Note that SPI's by-laws are probably a bad example to use. There is a by-laws committee which has been working for quite a while to come up with new by-laws which will fix the flaws with the current ones. You should definitely get in contact with [EMAIL PROTECTED] who'll be able to tell you the problems with the current by-laws. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the Debian trademark)
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-15 15:22]: That's the reason because it's called *Debian* Hardened... and, did you the comments on /.? If you did, you should know a good example of another distro that is currently developing something alike: Hardened Gentoo. I've read the comments and maybe hardened is an appropriate name for such an effort. I don't know, and I'm aware that I'm overly conservative in such regards, but so far I have not seen many other Debian developers saying that's it a good idea either. Furthermore, my main problem is that you announce this project as Debian Hardened before there is any consensus at all that Debian is interested in such a project. Again, I haven't seen many Debian people responding to your mail saying great idea, let's do this. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Patent clauses in licenses
* Matthew Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-17 10:05]: The GPL does much the same. If someone distributes GPLed software without complying with section 3 (which gives you various ways in which you have to make source code available to the recipient), then they lose the right to use that GPLed software. We have various licenses that terminate if you do something wrong - we've just come to the conclusion that it's acceptable that people not be allowed to do that thing. In the past, we've accepted various compromises on freedom because they help free software. I agree with this reasoning and think that we should treat at least Any patent action against the licensor connected to the licensed work as free. I'd like to hear more possible scenarios what Any patent action against the licensor might mean in reality, such as Nathanael's IBM example. I think such possible scenarios/examples are a good way to think about the implications of these clauses. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Donation to the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure
I've authorized and asked ffis e.V. (the keeper of Debian money in Europe) to donate 1,000 EUR to the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure (FFII). FFII supports the development of public information goods based on copyright, free competition, and open standards. Some of their current activities are directed against software patents in Europe, and given that software patents are potentially a big risk for free software and Debian, I think this effort should be supported us. I see this donation only as a first step and feel that Debian should actively speak out against software patents. I encourage members and users of Debian to get involved with or donate to FFII and tell others about the dangers of software patents. More information about the Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure can be found at http://www.ffii.org/ -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the Debian trademark)
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-14 22:20]: I want to see Debian Hardened as an official Debian subproject *sigh* I wasn't aware the procedure for becoming an official Debian subproject was to announce the project on slashdot. http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=04/09/15/003202 Anyway, you might want to propose something on the debian-security list if you haven't done so yet. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Debian Hardened project (question about use of the Debian trademark)
* Lorenzo Hernandez Garcia-Hierro [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-08 16:26]: I want to know if i can use the trademark Debian on the name of a project that i've started , Debian Hardened which i want to see as an official Debian sup-project. I personally feel that this name has the same problems that Trusted Debian has - it suggests that normal Debian is not secure. In any case, I think you should post your question to debian-project rather than -legal since -project is more appropriate and might get more feedback. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://forums.debian.net in beta
* Jeroen van Wolffelaar [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-09 12:47]: multiple webforums out there for Debian, of varying popularity. AFAICS, the debianHELP one[1] is the most popular, being started about two years ... forums.debian.net is currently nearly-empty, it is yet to gain momentum. Well, we could just point forums.debian.net to debianHELP... Starting forums.debian.net didn't take much more time than an 'apt-get install phpbb2' takes, I see I failed to properly search for other It's not about installing the software but getting a community established around the forum. If debianHELP has done that already, maybe you should just work with them. (Just giving random good advice; I don't use forums and don't know how good debianHELP or others are.) -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: http://forums.debian.net in beta
* Andreas Schuldei [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-09-09 13:51]: cant we point forum.debian.org at debianhelp? it would not need to be in any way trusted as far as security is concerned. Giving it a .debian.org name means endorsing it and I'm not sure we want to do that. In the specific case of debianhelp, we couldn't do it anyway because they use the GFDL. irc.debian.org is not, either. And the question about the official status of the #debian* channels on Freenode comes up regularly. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Frank Carmickle and Marco Paganini must be mocked, scorned, and humiliated
* Branden Robinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2004-08-28 02:50]: Using software purportedly written by Marco Paganini, he has generated over 750 messages to debian-boot in less than 12 hours. And why does that give you the right to spam -*devel*-announce with useless stuff twice? It's bad enough these mails were on -boot but you just made it worse by spamming people who couldn't care less (most people on -devel-announce aren't even subscribed to -boot). As to your ObDDA, that's all good a nice; but we also won't have mailing lists anymore if people continue to send parody to development announcement mailing lists. -project would have been more appropriate. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
This is a summary of the AM report for Week Ending 08 Aug 2004. 1 applicant became a maintainer. Jaime Robles jaime Firstly to say i am a ham radio operator and i am using linux... i think since 96 more or less. Well, since then i have tried to find free software for hams and some times it was not easy to find it. I subscribed to debian-ham email list to help in the ham related projects and i have been testing and suggesting. I am also developing a logging software for hams (http://jaime.robles.nu/klog) and i started to package it for Debian as Debian my only distro (i have 2 servers and my laptop running different Debian's flavours) and when i asked some developers to sponsor it they tell me to apply and here I am. I want to help mainly in the ham software Debian work, mainly in ham/KDE software as i think there are some really good applications that are stillnot in Debian and Debian-hams are missing great applications. Now i am packaging two applications. One is Klog and the other is KTrack, a Satellite tracking software for KDE. How i came to Linux? uff! i can't remember... maybe a CD in a computer's magazine in 95-96..., and since then i enjoy Linux as my OS. I started helping KDE-ES some years ago and when the previous kde-es coordinator left, i started to coordinate the team trying to motivate and get a 100% spanish KDE system :-) (we got it in 2.2) ;-) -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
New Maintainers
support for gdb which is probably still shipped with the gdb releases. In 1988, I went to work for the MIT X Consortium where I participated in the development of X11 for four years. I plan on continuing to develop the X Window System and ensure that the software meets the needs of the Debian community. I am currently working closely with the Debian X maintainers and expect to adopt some of those Debian packages, especially those for which I am the primary author. I have been working with Branden Robinson to identify licensing problems in the current X window system sources. I plan on ensuring that the core X packages remain DFSG-free by soliciting license changes, deleting offending code or spliting packages apart and moving pieces to non-free. As the upstream maintainer for a number of these packages, I believe I can provide unique value to the Debian project in it's goal to ship clearly licensed software in compliance with the Debian Free Software Guidelines. I admit to being a relative Linux newbie; I first installed Slackware 2.0 with kernel 1.1.18 around 1995 or so. I had dismissed it several years earlier as a cheap minix knock-off, and continued to use Unix workstations. It took the efforts of a friend to demonstrate the utility of a system for which full source code was available, and from there it was straight downhill through Slackware to RedHat and finally Debian where I've stayed ever since. I can't quite find a good answer to why I want to write open source software; it's like asking why I want to spend time breathing. As to why I want to volunteer with the Debian project, that's partially pragmatic -- other developers have convinced me that it's far easier to get the kind of Debian packages you want for your own software if you just build them yourself. It's also a sense of responsibility; I lean on the efforts of hundreds of other Debian developers and feel like I should carry some of the load, at least the parts that I'm capable of. Martin Quinson mquinson Martin maintains po4a and quilt. Alexander Sack asac I am a 26 year old German, resident of Hamburg. I finished school in 1997 served the state as a clinic assistant in a mental institution for a year. After that I started to study computer-science economics. Since the very beginning of my study I worked for a few companies as a software engineer. My technological focus is on distributed enterprise applications for internet based financial services (first in C++ leveraging CORBA, but soon J2EE). Currently I am still at university, working on my master thesis. Sebastian Henschel shensche my first gnu/linux install was some kind of slackware in 1995, but i dropped it, because space on my harddisk was precious and my dos/os/2 combination did well. in 96 i installed my first suse and finally converted to debian in 99. i never got involved into any community-thing, because there was always so much other stuff to do. i made some visits to the ccc and the c-base, if you know them, but never got really attached to them. at least, i am known as a free software advocate within my friends. nevertheless, i had the urge to do something for the community and the whole world and looked out for packages, which were up for adoption and i used by myself for a couple of months. finally, i found one (xpenguins-applet) and applied for maintainership. so, first of all, i want to be a package maintainer. i already have another package in mind, which i want to take: gtk-engines-cleanice2 and the upcoming xpenguins-applet for gnome2. i really like gnome2. :) because i had worked as a programmer and system administrator before, i could also think of helping the ftp/www-masters as well. i want to volunteer, because now i really have the time to give something back to the community (in surplus to the occasional purchase of cds). i like debian because of its package management, because of its somewhat democratic structure, its grassroots-feel, because everyone is involved. i like the way bugs are handled via the bts, i like to take part in making the community-distribution be the best one in the place. -- Martin Michlmayr [EMAIL PROTECTED]
