Re: General linux question.

2005-11-01 Thread Nathanael Nerode
João Pinheiro wrote:

 There are quite a few differences between them. The most notable one
 would be the packaging system, .deb vs. .rpm, where Debian really kick
 the hell out of Red Hat.

Some of the core packages have some substantial differences as well, such
as the network management scripts (ifupdown in Debian).

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Re: General linux question.

2005-10-17 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Monday 17 October 2005 04.20, stephen horvath wrote:

 I do have a question that I have not received an answer.
 What is the real difference in what is referred to as Red
 Hat based or Debian based?

As you've certainly noticed by now, the actual application programs (KDE, 
Gnome, The Gimp, OpenOffice.org etc.) are the same on both RedHat and 
Debian-based systems (and, for that matter, on Mandriva and Novell/SuSE, 
too - those are not really RedHat based anymore today.)

The principal difference is in how software packages are distributed.  On 
Windows, you had '.cab' files or self-extracting '.exe' files with (most 
often) an InstallShield based installer program (or similar.)  On Debian 
based systems, you have '.deb' files, on RedHat/SuSE/Mandriva you have 
'.rpm' files.  Between Red Hat, SuSE and Mandriva, while the package format 
is te same, the package names and the dependencies between the packages  
differ (ok, this is now becoming quite technical - as a user, you can just 
ignore that.)

Another difference between the Linux distributions is the installer (I mean 
the system installer - what you see when you first boot from the 
distribution CD) - even within the 'Debian family' (Debian, Knoppix, 
Xandros, MEPIS, Ubuntu, ...) there are differencies.  Also, the way to 
change system settings (set up Internet access, install additional 
programs, ...) once you have installed your system is different.

I hope this helps to satisfy your curiosity.

greetings
Adrian

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Re: General linux question.

2005-10-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
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On Mon, 17 Oct 2005 21:18:34 +0200
Adrian von Bidder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Monday 17 October 2005 04.20, stephen horvath wrote:
 
  I do have a question that I have not received an answer.
  What is the real difference in what is referred to as Red
  Hat based or Debian based?

 the actual application programs [..] are the same

 The principal difference is in how software packages are
 distributed.

 Another difference [..] is the installer

 Also, the way to change system settings [..] is different.


An important difference not covered above is that Debian is driven by a
community effort - Redhat is driven by a corporation with stake
holders to worry about, with a geek community being only an add-on.


In theory the packaging systems used in Debian (dpkg) and Redhat (rpm)
is quite similarly capable, but in reality the quality of packages and
their interdependencies differ alot between distributions. Debian is by
design a very messy place were each of a thousand developers are
granted very wide trust.

The way Debian solve structural problems (like oops, these two
libraries conflict with each other - we need to choose only one of them
to use across lots of packages) are fundamentally different from a
corporation that can force decisions onto the paid developers. This is
partly what makes development of the Debian distribution so famously
slow, but also what (IMHO) makes the final result so much higher
quality: The actual geeks compete their pet approaches or find ways
to live happily side by side - instead of a management decision
possibly killing novel ideas too soon (or old stable solution too
early).


 - Jonas


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General linux question.

2005-10-16 Thread stephen horvath

Help,

I have used the Linux programs for quite a few weeks and 
have decided to use it for all of my personal computing 
needs.


I have used two distrubutions and have liked them both, 
one is Red Hat/Fedors and the other is Xandros.


I do have a question that I have not received an answer. 
What is the real difference in what is referred to as Red 
Hat based or Debian based?


I know their must be quite a difference between the two, 
but what is it?


Can anyone help?

Regards,

Steve Horvath


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