Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts

2016-09-02 Thread Philip Hands 
Anibal Monsalve Salazar  writes:

> On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Philip Hands  wrote:
>
> For those who don't know the origins and the meaning of the Debian
> tartan, which was registered by Phil, read the registration notes at:
>
> https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartandetails.aspx?ref=5936

There's also this page on the wiki that I set up a while ago:

  https://wiki.debian.org/Tartan

I guess a sub-page of that might be useful for tracking ideas about how
to get another order together.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts

2016-09-02 Thread Anibal Monsalve Salazar 
On Fri, Sep 2, 2016 at 7:26 AM, Philip Hands  wrote:
> Cheers, Phil.
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For those who don't know the origins and the meaning of the Debian
tartan, which was registered by Phil, read the registration notes at:

https://www.tartanregister.gov.uk/tartandetails.aspx?ref=5936

Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts

2016-09-01 Thread Philip Hands 
Steve McIntyre  writes:

> On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 04:27:11PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>>> > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of
>>> > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt.
>>
>>> Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really
>>> pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the
>>> world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend
>>> Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of
>>> Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and
>>> hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom
>>> woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£),
>>> tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a
>>> side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still
>>> looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn
>>> 10-15 times a year).
>>
>>Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to
>>see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ?
>
> Could do, maybe. I was also up in Edinburgh a couple of weekends back
> with Andy, and we spoke to one of the companies up there too. He's got
> the details and I'll let him post more info... :-)

Cool. Just before DC16 I got in touch with Lorna, from Geoffrey (Tailor),
who are the people that have made all the tartan to date -- they have
sold off their weaving operation and now outsource to people in (IIRC)
the Hebrides, who's looms are twice as wide, which would apparently
result in the other half of the cloth being upside-down (or perhaps
right-to-left) once made into a kilt.

It sounded like they should be able to sort something out anyway, and
were still looking into options, and seemed willing to underwrite part
of the order if we were to do a full length (which is rather a lot).

We're in no way tied to using them, of course, but they've done a decent
job in the past, so should certainly be at least considered.

On the other hand, if someone else can make then for much less at
similar quality (which wouldn't surprise me -- there's bound to be a
premium associated with getting it done in Edinburgh) then people might
well prefer that option.  I guess it's up to the people subscribing to
the order.

The fact that the pound has fallen since the "brexit" result might make
Edinburgh prices rather more affordable for some ;-)

One suggestion that has been made in the past (and supported by Neil
when he was DPL, but I failed to get anything sorted out about it) was
to do matched funding from Debian funds for any such order, to make sure
that there was a decent amount of stock left over, such that people
could then buy cloth without having to get over the hurdle of starting
another weaving run.  Of course, if that were to be done, we will need
someone to look after the cloth that remains in stock until it is sold.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts

2016-09-01 Thread Steve McIntyre 
On Sun, Aug 28, 2016 at 04:27:11PM -0400, Yaroslav Halchenko wrote:
>> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
>> > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of
>> > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt.
>
>> Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really
>> pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the
>> world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend
>> Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of
>> Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and
>> hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom
>> woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£),
>> tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a
>> side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still
>> looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn
>> 10-15 times a year).
>
>Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to
>see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ?

Could do, maybe. I was also up in Edinburgh a couple of weekends back
with Andy, and we spoke to one of the companies up there too. He's got
the details and I'll let him post more info... :-)

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another bulk order of kilts for debconf17? Was: New Debian kilts

2016-08-28 Thread Yaroslav Halchenko 

On Sun, 30 Sep 2012, Ryan Kavanagh wrote:

> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
> > I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of
> > £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt.

> Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really
> pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the
> world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend
> Burnett & Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of
> Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and
> hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom
> woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£),
> tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a
> side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still
> looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn
> 10-15 times a year).

Given that next debconf is in Montreal, may be it would be sensible to
see placing an order for a few quilts with Burnett & Struth's ?

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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Wolodja Wentland 
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
 Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:
  I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to
  ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about 
  the
  kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to
  produce yet another round.
 
 Do you have an estimate of the cost ?

Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed
on [0] they charge a setup fee if you want them to weave a tartan that is
not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how
accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock)
tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable
offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the
weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time.

Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to
pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted
additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am
not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other
people are interested.

In short: The more we are the better ;)

[0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan#Future_Orders
[1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/gentskilts.html
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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Steve McIntyre 
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
 Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:
  I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to
  ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about 
  the
  kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to
  produce yet another round.
 
 Do you have an estimate of the cost ?

Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed
on [0] they charge a setup fee if you want them to weave a tartan that is
not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how
accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock)
tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable
offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the
weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time.

Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to
pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted
additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am
not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other
people are interested.

In short: The more we are the better ;)

Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on
what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them
and Phil, maybe...

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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Wolodja Wentland 
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 17:00 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 
 Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on
 what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them
 and Phil, maybe...

Oh, please do. They wanted to clarify that but weren't actually sure. It might
also be that they wanted to check with Phil before selling it to
Some-Random-Guy™. I would happily buy it if there is still some left.
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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Paul Tagliamonte 
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 18:29 +0200, Olivier Berger wrote:
  Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:
   I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted 
   to
   ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about 
   the
   kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to
   produce yet another round.
  
  Do you have an estimate of the cost ?
 
 Well, not exactly as it depends on how many people are ordering. As detailed
 on [0] they charge a setup fee if you want them to weave a tartan that is
 not in stock. The wiki lists setup costs of £300, but I am not sure how
 accurate that is. Their prices for kilts made from standard (i.e. in-stock)
 tartan are listed on [1] and I would assume that they can make a reasonable
 offer for kilts made from Debian tartan. It looks as if Hands.com paid for the
 weaving, design and registration of the tartan the last time.
 
 Unfortunately they didn't produce enough cloth and we would therefore have to
 pay for the weaving as well. I went to their store and asked and they quoted
 additional costs of £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt. To be honest I am
 not entirely sure how much its going to be and I wanted to check if other
 people are interested.
 
 In short: The more we are the better ;)

So, I'd be unlikely to wear a kilt (well, ok, not seriosuly or enough to
buy a nice one), but I would be extremely likely to wear a scarf.

Do we get the material (or scraps or something)? I'd be super interested
in ordering some material to make a scarf or something, if it'd help
bring down the cost a bit.

 
 [0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan#Future_Orders
 [1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/gentskilts.html
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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Philip Hands 
Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:

 On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 17:00 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
 
 Hmmm. I'd have thought they have some cloth still in stock, based on
 what they've said in the last year. I'd double-check that with them
 and Phil, maybe...

 Oh, please do. They wanted to clarify that but weren't actually sure. It might
 also be that they wanted to check with Phil before selling it to
 Some-Random-Guy™. I would happily buy it if there is still some left.

I have told them repeatedly that we're completely happy for random
people to buy it, but it seems they struggle with the idea -- which is a
bit of a shame as the more the merrier as far as we're concerned.

Hopefully continued demand will eventually convince them to keep stock
without requiring up-front funding of the start-up costs of each batch.

Anyway, last I heard they had stock (we ordered 80 yards, but for
reasons known only to the weavers they wove 160 yards.  I was under the
impression that there was still quite a lot of the extra left over).

I'll ask them what the current situation is, if that helps.

Cheers, Phil.
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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-30 Thread Ryan Kavanagh 
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 04:53:47PM +0100, Wolodja Wentland wrote:
 I went to their store and asked and they quoted additional costs of
 £700 for a *single* made-to-order kilt.

Ouch! From what I remember when I got my kilt, 700£ is really really
pricey. I know that North-America is probably on the wrong side of the
world for most of the people interested in ordering, but I recommend
Burnett  Struth's[0] as a kilt maker. They're located just north of
Toronto, Canada. They made my personal kilt (combination of machine and
hand sewing) out of a very uncommon tartan (I think it had to be custom
woven since nobody kept it in stock) for about 650–700 CAD (~410–440£),
tax included. The fabric was heavy weight (16oz I think) at that. On a
side note, they also made my band kilt, which is 25 years old and still
looks great apart from wear on the leather buckle straps (easily worn
10-15 times a year).

Best wishes,
Ryan

[0] http://www.burnetts-struth.com/


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New Debian kilts

2012-09-28 Thread Wolodja Wentland 
Hi all,

I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to
ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about the
kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to
produce yet another round.

[0] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf7/Tartan
[1] http://www.geoffreykilts.co.uk/
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Re: New Debian kilts

2012-09-28 Thread Olivier Berger 
Wolodja Wentland deb...@babilen5.org writes:

 Hi all,

 I am considering to organise a group purchase of Debian kilts and wanted to
 ask if other people are interested in one. You can find information about the
 kilts on [0] and I spoke to the tailor/weaver [1] today who is happy to
 produce yet another round.

Do you have an estimate of the cost ?

Thank in advance.

Best regards,
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