Re: Planet policy?
The people who like my blog can add it to their feed readers directly. I believe I've followed the rules for PD, but there's no point I believe you've followed the rules as well. As you mentioned on your blog, planet is for active participants in Debian, not for posts about Debian only. The rules have been pretty clearly described here: http://wiki.debian.org/PlanetDebian I've gone back and made it more explicit just in case. I should probably link that page from planet.debian.org itself. Later, Mako -- Benjamin Mako Hill [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mako.cc/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Planet policy?
Bastian Venthur wrote: Why so complicated? Isn't it easier to divide the content of planet into something like personal and technical Some people think pdo needs adjusting, some don't. The solution Lars proposed leaves pdo as it is (which satisfies the latter camp, which includes me). -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Hi! * Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070808 18:44]: I've heard from people who really like reading my blog posts on Planet Debian, and people who really hate them. [..] So, I've removed the feed. Old posts should roll off the end in a day or two, or if there's some sense of urgency, I guess Mako can clear them out by hand. Why? I must confess that I am more in the haters group, than in the lovers group, and as one of those, I really don't see a problem in skipping your blog posts, as I don't see a reason for you to remove your blog. Yours sincerely, Alexander, whose quite often posting off-topic stuff to planet, too -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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* Alexander Schmehl [Thu, 09 Aug 2007 10:40:35 +0200]: * Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] [070808 18:44]: I've heard from people who really like reading my blog posts on Planet Debian, and people who really hate them. [..] So, I've removed the feed. Old posts should roll off the end in a day or two, or if there's some sense of urgency, I guess Mako can clear them out by hand. Why? I must confess that I am more in the haters group, than in the lovers group, and as one of those, I really don't see a problem in skipping your blog posts, as I don't see a reason for you to remove your blog. From my, with all due respect, hater position, I think the same. Particularly if you have evidence *some* people enjoy reading you via Planet. Cheers, -- Adeodato Simó dato at net.com.org.es Debian Developer adeodato at debian.org One look at the From: understanding has blossomed .procmailrc grows -- Alexander Viro [EMAIL PROTECTED] on linux-kernel
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OK, so, based on this feedback, I've reënabled the feed, and I'm unlikely to remove it again without good reason. -Evan -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 05:54:12PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? No. And personally, I believe that's a good thing. To me, Planet Debian is about people, not technology. The fact that it just happens to be mostly about technology (because most of us are technologists) is just a nice side effect. -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 08:26:52AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: This is Planet Debian so it should be mainly about Debian. I disagree. A blog is what a person thinks about; a planet is an aggregation of blogs of people who have one particular thing in common. It's clear from the above that this is Planet Debian does not necessary imply this is about Debian, only or even this is mainly about Debian. Personally, I think that's a good thing -- if not for Planet Debian, I wouldn't have known that Evan does a lot of wiki stuff, that the Wammu upstream author is a Debian Developer, that I disagree with Anthony Towns on a number of details about what Free Software is about, and that I just don't like Someone Who Shall Not Be Named. All that knowledge can be useful from time to time, all of it in a Debian context. If Planet Debian wouldn't have these blogs that rarely talk about Debian, I wouldn't know this. I read Planet Debian with liferea, and yes, there are a number of people who's posts I usually skip with 'Ctrl-N'; and yes my Unread posts vfolder is modified so that it skips posts by this Someone Who Shall Not Be Named. But there are a number of people whos posts I /do/ like to read, even if they're not very often writing about Debian... -- Lo-lan-do Home is where you have to wash the dishes. -- #debian-devel, Freenode, 2004-09-22 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Lars Wirzenius liw at liw.iki.fi writes: It strikes me, though, that if there's interest, setting up an pure.debian.net with feeds strictly restricted to those that discuss Debian matters only, should be pretty easy. Anybody interested in subscribing to it? I think that is a great idea. I wouldn't subscribe to it, under the assumption that p.d.o would be effectively a superset of the content, but it would at least satisfy those who are not interested in non-technical postings. -- Jon Dowland -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On 08.08.2007 07:33 schrieb Lars Wirzenius: It strikes me, though, that if there's interest, setting up an pure.debian.net with feeds strictly restricted to those that discuss Debian matters only, should be pretty easy. Anybody interested in subscribing to it? Why so complicated? Isn't it easier to divide the content of planet into something like personal and technical (assuming the feeders assign their blog-feeds to the appropriate address) and then let the user check (via check boxes) which one of them they want to see? Planet would then display the contents of both sections by default but have two check boxes somewhere, where you can disable one (or both :) ) of them. Cheers, Bastian -- Bastian Venthur http://venthur.de Debian Developer venthur at debian org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 14:43 +, Jon Dowland wrote: I think that is a great idea. I wouldn't subscribe to it, under the assumption that p.d.o would be effectively a superset of the content, but it would at least satisfy those who are not interested in non-technical postings. And who are they besides Lars? As Manoj stated, suscribe to -devel or read the Debian related news displayed on the wiki front page or syndicated at: http://people.debian.org/~damog/wiki/feed.php -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ A mí se me hace que estás asustado.
Re: Planet policy?
Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Why so complicated? Isn't it easier to divide the content of planet into something like personal and technical [...] personal / technical may be a different split to debian / other - some of Ian Murdock's posts are technical without being directly about debian. It's probably so complicated because debian-ness is in the eye of the beholder. If anyone wants to try defining a new split, set up a site. There are several of those already, as far as I can see from the logs, so ask around if you want a howto or tips on setup. This seems a lot simpler than reimplementing ftp-master, which has been suggested before. If one gets more popular than the current planet, that would seem a good reason to change the target of the planet.debian.net hostname. Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
MJ Ray wrote: Bastian Venthur [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] Why so complicated? Isn't it easier to divide the content of planet into something like personal and technical [...] personal / technical may be a different split to debian / other - some of Ian Murdock's posts are technical without being directly about debian. It's probably so complicated because debian-ness is in the eye of the beholder. You're right, debian/other makes more sense than personal/technical. We should really aim to implement such a solution. This way we could satisfy everybody without kicking people from the planet. But it is somewhat important to have booth sections on one site by default and make it optional to exclude a section. This way we keep the planet as it is by default and just provide an extra option for the debian-only/non-debian-only proponents. Cheers, Bastian -- Bastian Venthur http://venthur.de Debian Developer venthur at debian org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On to, 2007-08-09 at 10:34 -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Thu, 2007-08-09 at 14:43 +, Jon Dowland wrote: I think that is a great idea. I wouldn't subscribe to it, under the assumption that p.d.o would be effectively a superset of the content, but it would at least satisfy those who are not interested in non-technical postings. And who are they besides Lars? I didn't actually say I would subscribe to the feed myself. As Manoj stated, suscribe to -devel or read the Debian related news displayed on the wiki front page or syndicated at: http://people.debian.org/~damog/wiki/feed.php The blog and mailing list formats are so different that one is not ever going to be able to completely replace the other. Both have their use. -- On IRC, we sometimes like to watch silence. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On to, 2007-08-09 at 14:43 +, Jon Dowland wrote: I think that is a great idea. I wouldn't subscribe to it, under the assumption that p.d.o would be effectively a superset of the content, but it would at least satisfy those who are not interested in non-technical postings. That's assuming there are such people, but no-one's said they would subscribe to it, yet, so I'm going to assume there aren't any. -- Fundamental truth #5: Always ask the simple troubleshooting questions first. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Thu, Aug 09, 2007 at 07:28:41PM +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: On to, 2007-08-09 at 14:43 +, Jon Dowland wrote: I think that is a great idea. I wouldn't subscribe to it, under the assumption that p.d.o would be effectively a superset of the content, but it would at least satisfy those who are not interested in non-technical postings. That's assuming there are such people, but no-one's said they would subscribe to it, yet, so I'm going to assume there aren't any. The line between posts I'm interested in and those I'm not is not one of technical vs. non-technical; there are plenty of non-technical posts that I'm interested in because the poster has a writing style that appeals to me, or because they're someone I know personally, or because they generally write good technical blog entries so I'm also interested in having a glimpse of who they are as people. Evan's is one of the blogs I routinely skip, because - the blog very much follows a journal style, recording the day's events, with the result that there's a lot of content, very little of which is inherently of interest to me - his blog titles tell nothing about the content of the entry, making selective reading impractical - I haven't yet seen an entry of his be about something Debian-related. OTOH, I read John Goerzen's entries because he's an interesting writer. So I don't see any objective difference between these that could be useful in distinguishing between things that should be on Planet Debian and things that shouldn't be on Planet Debian. It's just a line between things Steve enjoys reading and things Steve doesn't enjoy reading, which isn't Debian's problem. -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and a Free OS Debian Developer to set it on, and I can move the world. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007 05:33:22 +, Lars Wirzenius [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: It strikes me, though, that if there's interest, setting up an pure.debian.net with feeds strictly restricted to those that discuss Debian matters only, should be pretty easy. Anybody interested in subscribing to it? Not really. I already read -devel, -project, and a bunch of other lists, and have a surfeit of Debian content. Getting to know the people who bring us Debian, ah, that's far more valuable. manoj -- Don't you wish that all the people who sincerely want to help you could agree with each other? Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:16:05 -0300, Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? I agree on disabling his blog since it has nothing related to Debian on it, anymore. Why are we concentrating on Ian? Why is no one complaining about Clint's blog, which far from having anything to do with Debian, is not actually related to anything in this universe, as far as I can tell? Or any of a number of other people who are blogging about their lives, and often, Debian is a small portion of their lives (aka people with real lives)? If people want to read posting about technical issues or Debian itself, I suggest they subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Planet exists to let us see into the lives of people important to Debian, not to be a monologue replacement of -devel. manoj -- Eternity is a terrible thought. I mean, where's it going to end? Tom Stoppard Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.debian.org/~srivasta/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, 08 Aug 2007, Kevin Mark wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:26:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Ian could take up pig farming and blog about nothing else, and I'd still consider his posts on topic for Planet Debian. Whether he likes it or not, he's inextricably linked with Debian. Ack. I'd rather question the need to have Evan Prodromou's blog who is posting very regularly and where almost none of the posts are related to Debian (mainly wikipedia). But then I'd never what todays date is in the French Revolutionary Calander!1!1 That alone give his blog a certain 'caché' ;-) But seriously, I like reading about wiki technology and the other FLOSS things and conferences. IIRC he's also a DD (2005). I'm sure there's a planet wikipedia to suit your needs. This is Planet Debian so it should be mainly about Debian. Of course Debian contributors can speak about something else from time to time, but when it's 60% (or whatever high percentage we could decide of) of the posts, then the person should really use a dedicated feed for Planet Debian and select only Debian related posts (or at least a majority of Debian posts). BTW CCing Evan to let him know. Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 01:20:30AM -0400, Kevin Mark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:26:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Ian could take up pig farming and blog about nothing else, and I'd still consider his posts on topic for Planet Debian. Whether he likes it or not, he's inextricably linked with Debian. Ack. I'd rather question the need to have Evan Prodromou's blog who is posting very regularly and where almost none of the posts are related to Debian (mainly wikipedia). But then I'd never what todays date is in the French Revolutionary Calander!1!1 That alone give his blog a certain 'caché' ;-) But That's cachet. Not every french word has an acute accent ;) (caché also exists but is a past participle and means hidden) seriously, I like reading about wiki technology and the other FLOSS things and conferences. IIRC he's also a DD (2005). seriously, when there's something that is not interesting to me on planet debian, I just don't read it. Is it that difficult to not read ? Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Raphael Hertzog [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm sure there's a planet wikipedia to suit your needs. This is Planet Debian so it should be mainly about Debian. Of course Debian contributors can speak about something else from time to time, but when it's 60% (or whatever high percentage we could decide of) of the posts, then the person should really use a dedicated feed for Planet Debian and select only Debian related posts (or at least a majority of Debian posts). I feel Planet Debian is about Debian contributors, not Debian contributions and that's the way it should be. Debian is the people. The above condition seems silly: I doubt many contributors spend 60% of our online time on Debian, let alone 60% of stuff worth writing up. Also, some Debian work is reported automatically, so reproducing that on Planet Debian would be pointless duplication and just linking it isn't that interesting. I like learning about what other stuff Debian contributors do. FWIW, my blog has its mix set explicitly and currently consists of 6 parts business 4 parts environmental/local/cycling 7 parts hacking and I'm currently considering whether to split them completely for commercial reasons. Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seriously, when there's something that is not interesting to me on planet debian, I just don't read it. Is it that difficult to not read ? Actually, it's harder than it could be. Can anyone see how to add alterslash.org-style Skip links to the top of each item in Planet? I can't figure it out. (Bonus points if the link stays under the pointer after clicking, instead of moving around like alterslash's.) Thanks, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Waw, there are still people not using feed agregators these days ? Yep. (There are even still people using Windows 95.) Also, Planet Debian is a type of feed aggregator... if you can see how to do it easily, go for it instead of being all mysterious. I'm not that familiar with the planet software. Thanks, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 08:32:43AM +0100, MJ Ray [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mike Hommey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: seriously, when there's something that is not interesting to me on planet debian, I just don't read it. Is it that difficult to not read ? Actually, it's harder than it could be. Can anyone see how to add alterslash.org-style Skip links to the top of each item in Planet? I can't figure it out. (Bonus points if the link stays under the pointer after clicking, instead of moving around like alterslash's.) Waw, there are still people not using feed agregators these days ? Mike PS: a skip button would be pretty easy to add. It would also be easy to make it stay under the mouse pointer. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 01:07:41AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: On Sat, 04 Aug 2007 14:16:05 -0300, Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? I agree on disabling his blog since it has nothing related to Debian on it, anymore. Why are we concentrating on Ian? Why is no one complaining about Clint's blog, which far from having anything to do with Debian, is not actually related to anything in this universe, as far as I can tell? Or any of a number of other people who are blogging about their lives, and often, Debian is a small portion of their lives (aka people with real lives)? If people want to read posting about technical issues or Debian itself, I suggest they subscribe to [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Planet exists to let us see into the lives of people important to Debian, not to be a monologue replacement of -devel. Full ACK. That's what makes Planet Debian interesting to me. I would prefer if people did NOT restrict their feeds for Planet Debian to only contain Debian related posts. Gaudenz P.S.: I think that some way to faciliate the exclusion of some posts or feeds for particular readers (like Myon http://www.df7cb.de/debian/planet/) would be a great thing and solve the problem. -- Ever tried. Ever failed. No matter. Try again. Fail again. Fail better. ~ Samuel Beckett ~ pgprvX55FnTp5.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Otavio Salvador [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But yes, I do think that we should at least try to keep planet without much noise otherwise it'll get boring to read and lose its meaning. After reading this thread I changed my mind. I now agree that it's not the case. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 08:26 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: BTW CCing Evan to let him know. Thanks, Raphael. I've heard from people who really like reading my blog posts on Planet Debian, and people who really hate them. The people who like my blog can add it to their feed readers directly. I believe I've followed the rules for PD, but there's no point antagonizing people who don't want to read it. So, I've removed the feed. Old posts should roll off the end in a day or two, or if there's some sense of urgency, I guess Mako can clear them out by hand. -Evan -- Evan Prodromou [EMAIL PROTECTED] Debian http://www.debian.org/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 08:26 +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: This is Planet Debian so it should be mainly about Debian. I'm sorry for disagreeing. This is Planet Debian, so it should be mainly about Debian Developers (or contributors, people making Debian) whether they like to write and blog their work on Debian or in other field of their interest. Planets are around people working on a common spot, but around people anyway. -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ How To Quote Emails: http://url.damog.net/UJH -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On 11101 March 1977, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? Without looking at this issue - people can already unsubscribe from various planet feeds, if they want. Just use http://www.df7cb.de/debian/planet/ and deselect the persons you do not want to read on the right bar. Setting it with your name or something helps to keep it synced in multiple browsers. I use that to kick out some people I dont want to read. You still see they posted things, but usually only there name. Click on the name and you see it again. Additionally it helps by folding those entries that you already read. Im not sure why this isnt yet integrated into Debian, afaik Myon tried to do that already with Mako, but I dont know why it didnt happen. CC-ing both, hoping we get that into official planet soon. :) -- bye Joerg Sahneschnitter Aquariophile: welches debian/ welche xfree version? Aquariophile woody Aquariophile Xfree version 86 pgpbFQeU4WorZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
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Re: Joerg Jaspert 2007-08-07 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Im not sure why this isnt yet integrated into Debian, afaik Myon tried to do that already with Mako, but I dont know why it didnt happen. CC-ing both, hoping we get that into official planet soon. :) I never got around to talk to Mako about that - I have had a look at the planetplanet source, but my python fu was/is not sufficient to produce a proper patch, so I went on to write the front-end in perl. The source is http://svn.df7cb.de/debian/planet/ . It would be nice to see it integrated. What do I have to do? :) Christoph -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.df7cb.de/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
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I'm not sure why I seem to keep falling into the role of defending Ian being on planet Debian, but then I don't really understand why people keep trying to remove him for the most minor infractions[1]. Otavio Salvador wrote: I agree on disabling his blog since it has nothing related to Debian on it, anymore. http://ianmurdock.com/2007/07/21/how-package-management-changed-everything/ Hint: contains the words apt-get and Debian. But yes, I do think that we should at least try to keep planet without much noise otherwise it'll get boring to read and lose its meaning. http://ianmurdock.com/2007/07/23/what-a-week/ This doesn't seem particularly boring, especially when it's happening to the *founder of Debian*. I think that if Ian had happened to be one of the people sadly killed in that explosion, the whole project would still be in mourning. Ian could take up pig farming and blog about nothing else, and I'd still consider his posts on topic for Planet Debian. Whether he likes it or not, he's inextricably linked with Debian. -- see shy jo [1] http://kitenet.net/~joey/blog/entry/debian_founder_not_allowed_on_planet_debian.html signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Planet policy?
On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Ian could take up pig farming and blog about nothing else, and I'd still consider his posts on topic for Planet Debian. Whether he likes it or not, he's inextricably linked with Debian. Ack. I'd rather question the need to have Evan Prodromou's blog who is posting very regularly and where almost none of the posts are related to Debian (mainly wikipedia). Cheers, -- Raphaël Hertzog Premier livre français sur Debian GNU/Linux : http://www.ouaza.com/livre/admin-debian/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:20:55PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote:
On Monday 06 August 2007 1:28:20 pm Otavio Salvador wrote:
But yes, I do think that we should at least try to keep planet without
much noise otherwise it'll get boring to read and lose its meaning.
Actually, I don't read Planet Debian for the Debian posts. I find it
exceptionally difficult to try to follow a discussion there, and besides,
that's what we have debian-{devel,user,project,vote,devel-announce,*} for.
I strongly second this.
It's good to get to know our fellow developers as whole people, where Debian
is part -- but not all -- of their lives.
Given some of the comments that have been made in the past about Ian's
posts it feels to me that a lot of what people are objecting to is that
his posts can at times seem impersonal which isn't really the house
style for Planet Debian. That's something that I don't feel can be
covered by a viable policy.
--
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Re: Planet policy?
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:20:55PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I read Planet Debian for the *non-Debian* posts. What somebody's apartment in Japan looks like, what the trip to Berlin was like, etc. Maybe what their Debian development area looks like... It's good to get to know our fellow developers as whole people, where Debian is part -- but not all -- of their lives. Seconded :) My feelings about this probably are probably best illustrated by the following. Last year, I set up Planet Haskell. Being the guy who did the work, I ended up as the Planet Haskell editor and policy-maker, and the policy I set up for that planet was adapted from what I felt was the unstated Planet Debian policy: A common misunderstanding about Planet Haskell is that it republishes only Haskell content. That is not its mission. A Planet shows what is happening in the community, what people are thinking about or doing. Thus Planets tend to contain a fair bit of off-topic material. Think of it as a feature, not a bug. A blog is eligible to Planet if it is being written by somebody who is active in the Haskell community, or by a Haskell celebrity; also eligible are blogs that discuss Haskell-related matters frequently, and blogs that are dedicated to a Haskell topic (such as a software project written in Haskell). Note that at least one of these conditions must apply, and virtually no blog satisfies them all. (from http://planet.haskell.org/policy.html) The part about a Haskell celebrity was intended to cover people like Philip Wadler, one of the main designers of the language, whose current interests lie elsewhere. Similarly, I believe Ian Murdock easily qualifies as a Debian celebrity and as such is eligible for a Planet Debian listing :) Mutatis mutandis, I personally believe this is the correct policy for any planet. Including Planet Debian. -- Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho, Jyväskylä http://antti-juhani.kaijanaho.fi/newblog/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/antti-juhani/ signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Planet policy?
On Tue, Aug 07, 2007 at 10:26:55PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: On Tue, 07 Aug 2007, Joey Hess wrote: Ian could take up pig farming and blog about nothing else, and I'd still consider his posts on topic for Planet Debian. Whether he likes it or not, he's inextricably linked with Debian. Ack. I'd rather question the need to have Evan Prodromou's blog who is posting very regularly and where almost none of the posts are related to Debian (mainly wikipedia). But then I'd never what todays date is in the French Revolutionary Calander!1!1 That alone give his blog a certain 'caché' ;-) But seriously, I like reading about wiki technology and the other FLOSS things and conferences. IIRC he's also a DD (2005). -K -- | .''`. == Debian GNU/Linux == | my web site: | | : :' : The Universal |mysite.verizon.net/kevin.mark/| | `. `' Operating System| go to counter.li.org and | | `-http://www.debian.org/ |be counted! #238656 | | my keyserver: subkeys.pgp.net | my NPO: cfsg.org | |join the new debian-community.org to help Debian! | |___ Unless I ask to be CCd, assume I am subscribed ___|
Re: Planet policy?
On ke, 2007-08-08 at 07:24 +0300, Antti-Juhani Kaijanaho wrote: On Mon, Aug 06, 2007 at 09:20:55PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: I read Planet Debian for the *non-Debian* posts. What somebody's apartment in Japan looks like, what the trip to Berlin was like, etc. Maybe what their Debian development area looks like... It's good to get to know our fellow developers as whole people, where Debian is part -- but not all -- of their lives. Seconded :) I admit to reading pretty selectively these days, and usually the selection goes to technical stuff. I have no problem with the current content, or the current loose, unwritten policy, since it's easy enough to skip an entry in my mailer (I read through rss2email). It strikes me, though, that if there's interest, setting up an pure.debian.net with feeds strictly restricted to those that discuss Debian matters only, should be pretty easy. Anybody interested in subscribing to it? -- Joss Whedon toys with my emotions -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Exactly, I was only meaning that the only apparent requirement (or wannabe policy) is being a Debian development collaborator. and posting in English. However, I feel there have been some nasty unsubscriptions before. Why not ask Ian Murdock by email to increase his debian content, reduce his Solaris content or reconsider his planet feeding, if that's what's wanted? Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Experienced webmaster-developers for hire http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ Also: statistician, sysadmin, online shop builder, workers co-op. Writing on koha, debian, sat TV, Kewstoke http://mjr.towers.org.uk/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Steve McIntyre [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? I agree on disabling his blog since it has nothing related to Debian on it, anymore. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Steve McIntyre dijo [Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 05:54:12PM +0100]: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? I see the planet as just the collection of weblogs of people involved in Debian - Including personal stuff, fun stuff, random ideas - And of course, interesting Debian- or just FS- related projects and discussion. I don't think we need a content polic[ye] of any sort. But then again: Ian Murdock is there because he is the Debian founder, right? I do not know if nowadays he is in any actual way _related to_ Debian. Yes, not all Planet members are DDs (nor should they, of course!), but they are better or worse connected to the project. Is Ian so? Greetings, -- Gunnar Wolf - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - (+52-55)5623-0154 / 1451-2244 PGP key 1024D/8BB527AF 2001-10-23 Fingerprint: 0C79 D2D1 2C4E 9CE4 5973 F800 D80E F35A 8BB5 27AF -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Steve McIntyre dijo [Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 05:54:12PM +0100]: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? I see the planet as just the collection of weblogs of people involved in Debian - Including personal stuff, fun stuff, random ideas - And of course, interesting Debian- or just FS- related projects and discussion. I don't think we need a content polic[ye] of any sort. But then again: Ian Murdock is there because he is the Debian founder, right? I do not know if nowadays he is in any actual way _related to_ Debian. Yes, not all Planet members are DDs (nor should they, of course!), but they are better or worse connected to the project. Is Ian so? Maybe we might contact him and ask him to set the feed for a proper tag or something so planet won't get all his posts. That would be a better solution. But yes, I do think that we should at least try to keep planet without much noise otherwise it'll get boring to read and lose its meaning. -- O T A V I OS A L V A D O R - E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] UIN: 5906116 GNU/Linux User: 239058 GPG ID: 49A5F855 Home Page: http://otavio.ossystems.com.br - Microsoft sells you Windows ... Linux gives you the whole house. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Mon, Aug 06, 2007, Otavio Salvador wrote: Maybe we might contact him and ask him to set the feed for a proper tag or something so planet won't get all his posts. That would be a better solution. I did when this thread started; I didn't Cc: this list when I did because I found some reactions too strong and hence didn't want to participate in the thread; I failed. :) (I didn't get any reply so far though.) -- Loïc Minier -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Monday 06 August 2007 1:28:20 pm Otavio Salvador wrote:
Gunnar Wolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
But then again: Ian Murdock is there because he is the Debian founder,
right? I do not know if nowadays he is in any actual way _related to_
Debian. Yes, not all Planet members are DDs (nor should they, of
course!), but they are better or worse connected to the project. Is
Ian so?
Maybe we might contact him and ask him to set the feed for a proper
tag or something so planet won't get all his posts. That would be a
better solution.
That sounds reasonable on the one hand. On the other hand, I think Gunnar's
policy is better: you must be actively involved with Debian to be on Planet
Debian.
But yes, I do think that we should at least try to keep planet without
much noise otherwise it'll get boring to read and lose its meaning.
Actually, I don't read Planet Debian for the Debian posts. I find it
exceptionally difficult to try to follow a discussion there, and besides,
that's what we have debian-{devel,user,project,vote,devel-announce,*} for.
I read Planet Debian for the *non-Debian* posts. What somebody's apartment
in Japan looks like, what the trip to Berlin was like, etc. Maybe what
their Debian development area looks like...
It's good to get to know our fellow developers as whole people, where Debian
is part -- but not all -- of their lives.
-- John
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Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 17:54 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... I don't think there's no policy. Rumors say that only Debian collaborators could be aggregated and no websites. That's mostly the policy I'm aware of. Besides, from my experience administering a couple of heavily visited aggregators, providing very strict policy on them is a huge pain in the arse, both for readers, administrators and bloggers. I really think it's OK the way it is, since it's not behaved shamelessly. Cheers, -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ If you got a big ride... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 05:54:12PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Well, maybe in 2 or 3 years he'll be on-topic, no so long time ago, it was about Windows, at least Solaris is an Unix. *cough* -- ·O· Pierre Habouzit ··O[EMAIL PROTECTED] OOOhttp://www.madism.org pgp7LcCyFyzkY.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Planet policy?
On Sat, Aug 04, 2007 at 04:22:44PM -0500, David Moreno Garza wrote: On Sat, 2007-08-04 at 17:54 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... I don't think there's no policy. Rumors say that only Debian collaborators could be aggregated and no websites. That's mostly the policy I'm aware of. Personally I think it's often rather interesting if a Debian collaborator writes about non-Debian things. The collaborative other interests of all of them is a curious picture and often tells something about other (interesting) free software related activities/projects. I really think it's OK the way it is, since it's not behaved shamelessly. So I mostly agree with this. Regards Floris -- Debian GNU/Linux -- The Power of Freedom www.debian.org | www.gnu.org | www.kernel.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did we ever agree a policy about what's acceptable/reasonable for blog feeds linked from planet.d.o? I'm very tempted to disable Ian Murdock's Solaris propaganda, for example... Thoughts? His blog is way more interesting than some other people's blogs which apparently have no noticeable Debian-related (or UN*X-related, for what matters) content. If you do not agree with him just flame him from your blog in the fine tradition of Planet Debian. -- ciao, Marco -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Planet policy?
On Sun, 2007-08-05 at 00:50 +0100, Floris Bruynooghe wrote: Personally I think it's often rather interesting if a Debian collaborator writes about non-Debian things. The collaborative other interests of all of them is a curious picture and often tells something about other (interesting) free software related activities/projects. Exactly, I was only meaning that the only apparent requirement (or wannabe policy) is being a Debian development collaborator. -- David Moreno Garza [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.damog.net/ Te dimos un arma para cuidarnos y el arma que usas la usas para robarnos. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
