Re: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
"Johann Horwath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > if the user accepts the license there should be an easy > install/download-possibility of those closed-source-software, so that the > user feels, he/she has a fine system. :-) > > so the system (debian) is out of problems generally (imo) [...] Not really. You leave debian developers doing more work to support that black box software. In some cases, you cannot tell whether the easy install/download has worked properly or caused problems. The uneasy compromise of 'add non-free and install if you know what you're doing' seems better than your suggestion. > i would love an installation-process (and a hardware-recognition after > installing) where i - the user - was informed about many (every?) thing. > maybe there could be a list of all hardware that was detected, what > categories this hardware is belonging to and what software is and could be > installed to get it running. Try the hardware-recogniser at http://kmuto.jp/debian/hcl/ [...] > and for each "category" there should be a list of possible > software-packages, and i - the user - could take the ones, which fits best. Try aptitude. Regards, -- MJ Ray - see/vidu http://mjr.towers.org.uk/email.html Somerset, England. Work/Laborejo: http://www.ttllp.co.uk/ IRC/Jabber/SIP: on request/peteble -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
On 2006-11-22, Hans-Georg Bork wrote: > > --=-Tkrv90Fo0ik9yoV0lB/f > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 19:51 +, Oleg Verych wrote: >> On 2006-11-22, Johann Horwath wrote: >> > Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail >> > From: "Johann Horwath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.project >> > Subject: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem? >> > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:17:17 +0100 >> > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 >> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 >> X-Spam-Status: No, score=3D3.1 required=3D4.0 tests=3DBAYES_95,MDO_DATI= > NG2 autolearn=3Dno version=3D3.0.3 >>=20 >> > hello, >> > >> > couldn't this be a solution for the big problem open/closed-source: >> > >> > the system should be basically only be open-source. >>=20 >> I didn't read further. > > but you expect that your email about DFSG is read? If so, get the > original mail and read further; if not, keep using Micro$oft. Thank you very much. BTW, my DFSG e-mail here (with added ref. e-mail) asks for ideas. If you have only this one. Thank you very much. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
On Wed, 2006-11-22 at 19:51 +, Oleg Verych wrote: > On 2006-11-22, Johann Horwath wrote: > > Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail > > From: "Johann Horwath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.project > > Subject: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem? > > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:17:17 +0100 > > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal > X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 > X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 > X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_95,MDO_DATING2 > autolearn=no version=3.0.3 > > > hello, > > > > couldn't this be a solution for the big problem open/closed-source: > > > > the system should be basically only be open-source. > > I didn't read further. but you expect that your email about DFSG is read? If so, get the original mail and read further; if not, keep using Micro$oft. Regards -- hgb signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
On Wednesday 22 November 2006 20:51, Oleg Verych wrote: > I didn't read further. Which is a pity as he actually makes some valid suggestions that have been brought up in discussions before. pgpYLvWm4MPrG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
On 2006-11-22, Johann Horwath wrote: > Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail > From: "Johann Horwath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Newsgroups: gmane.linux.debian.devel.project > Subject: possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem? > Date: Wed, 22 Nov 2006 15:17:17 +0100 > X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.6626 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1441 X-Spam-Status: No, score=3.1 required=4.0 tests=BAYES_95,MDO_DATING2 autolearn=no version=3.0.3 > hello, > > couldn't this be a solution for the big problem open/closed-source: > > the system should be basically only be open-source. I didn't read further. > if there is a hardware, that can only be run with closed-source-drivers, the > user should be informed. afterwards there should be a possibility to choose > what should be done (ignore hardware/install open-source-software/install > closed-source-software), and if the user chooses closed-source-software then > he/she should accept an accordingly(license-)info (after the information the > user should know, what's going on and that there could be some future > problems like licensing-fees or similar). > > if the user accepts the license there should be an easy > install/download-possibility of those closed-source-software, so that the > user feels, he/she has a fine system. :-) > > so the system (debian) is out of problems generally (imo), the user knows > what could be problematic, the choice of closed-source-software is his/her > responsibility, debian cannot be blamed, but the user can have a system that > runs even flash, ati...-specialities... if he/she likes. > > the worst way, imo, is, to mix up open and closed-source. > the best way is, imo, to clearly seperate everything and to let the end-user > choose, what he/she would like to have on his/her own responsibility. > > * > > now as i'm here, i have - for a long time now - another debian-wish (it's > generally linux, but i feel debian is the leading distro): > > "linux" tries to find everything by itself (hardware-recognition, driver > install...). the user is not noticed until the install is ready. and then > this poor one (and here i think of those not so experinced - like me :-( ) > is often left alone with finding a (mostly difficult) way, to get special > things to run (i remember the days, when my cd-recorder was only recognized > as cd-player and i didn't find a way to alter this...). > > i would love an installation-process (and a hardware-recognition after > installing) where i - the user - was informed about many (every?) thing. > maybe there could be a list of all hardware that was detected, what > categories this hardware is belonging to and what software is and could be > installed to get it running. in this list, i - the user - should have the > possibility to change things: maybe i have a dvd-ram-recorder and the system > "found only a dvd-recorder" or similar. then i should be able to tell the > system the better/the right categorie, so that the right software could be > installed. > > this should be done in a similar way with adding users (what are the groups > for,...) and with installing firewalls. > > and for each "category" there should be a list of possible > software-packages, and i - the user - could take the ones, which fits best. > > maybe the installatin process would last a little bit longer, but the system > would then be clear and transparent for everybody! everyone would know, > what's running and why on his/her computer. this would be (will be??) a > relieve in my life and i think for debian (linux) too. > > is this only a (my) dream? > > greetings > hans horwath > salzburg > > p.s.: i don't know, if i'm here right with my lines, but it seemed the best > way to me. > if not, please tell me where i should mail to go instead. > > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
possible solution for "open source"-"closed source"-problem?
hello, couldn't this be a solution for the big problem open/closed-source: the system should be basically only be open-source. if there is a hardware, that can only be run with closed-source-drivers, the user should be informed. afterwards there should be a possibility to choose what should be done (ignore hardware/install open-source-software/install closed-source-software), and if the user chooses closed-source-software then he/she should accept an accordingly(license-)info (after the information the user should know, what's going on and that there could be some future problems like licensing-fees or similar). if the user accepts the license there should be an easy install/download-possibility of those closed-source-software, so that the user feels, he/she has a fine system. :-) so the system (debian) is out of problems generally (imo), the user knows what could be problematic, the choice of closed-source-software is his/her responsibility, debian cannot be blamed, but the user can have a system that runs even flash, ati...-specialities... if he/she likes. the worst way, imo, is, to mix up open and closed-source. the best way is, imo, to clearly seperate everything and to let the end-user choose, what he/she would like to have on his/her own responsibility. * now as i'm here, i have - for a long time now - another debian-wish (it's generally linux, but i feel debian is the leading distro): "linux" tries to find everything by itself (hardware-recognition, driver install...). the user is not noticed until the install is ready. and then this poor one (and here i think of those not so experinced - like me :-( ) is often left alone with finding a (mostly difficult) way, to get special things to run (i remember the days, when my cd-recorder was only recognized as cd-player and i didn't find a way to alter this...). i would love an installation-process (and a hardware-recognition after installing) where i - the user - was informed about many (every?) thing. maybe there could be a list of all hardware that was detected, what categories this hardware is belonging to and what software is and could be installed to get it running. in this list, i - the user - should have the possibility to change things: maybe i have a dvd-ram-recorder and the system "found only a dvd-recorder" or similar. then i should be able to tell the system the better/the right categorie, so that the right software could be installed. this should be done in a similar way with adding users (what are the groups for,...) and with installing firewalls. and for each "category" there should be a list of possible software-packages, and i - the user - could take the ones, which fits best. maybe the installatin process would last a little bit longer, but the system would then be clear and transparent for everybody! everyone would know, what's running and why on his/her computer. this would be (will be??) a relieve in my life and i think for debian (linux) too. is this only a (my) dream? greetings hans horwath salzburg p.s.: i don't know, if i'm here right with my lines, but it seemed the best way to me. if not, please tell me where i should mail to go instead.
