Bug#248860: do you have menu-xdg and menu installed?

2004-06-09 Thread Chris Cheney
On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 10:00:31AM +0800, John wrote:
> I do now, following Bill's advice.
> 
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>
> I appreciate that my comments extend far beyond the scope of the 
> original report. However, I believe that someone known within the Debian 
> community - or maybe better KDE - needs to take charge of the KDE menus 
> and say "This is how they will be structured." "terminal emulators go in 
> " "Text-mode applications such as mutt, pine, lynx" use such-and 
> such terminal editor and go into the menus at 
> 
> It may be that "someone" is a small committee.
> 
> The reasons why this needs to be done are similar to the accepted 
> reasons for FHS and such.

This needs to fixed on a entry by entry basis, the issue is likely that
some entries use incorrect Categories, and as you noted on Gnome
Terminal it uses the Name[] entry incorrectly and should have used
"Terminal" only in GenericName[] entry. This is not something specific
to KDE anymore and is part of the new freedesktop.org menu standard.
Gnome will likely be similiarly affected once it adopts the rest of
the freedesktop.org standard. BTW the only entries that are shown
outside of the Debian submenu are ones that claim to properly support
the freedesktop.org standards by installing .desktop files into its
directory /usr/share/applications.

Chris


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Bug#248860: do you have menu-xdg and menu installed?

2004-06-09 Thread John

Josh Metzler wrote:

John,

Do you have the packages "menu-xdg" and "menu" installed?  When KDE went 
from 3.1.5 to 3.2, it changed how it integrates the Debian menu.  It now 
needs menu-xdg to create the Debian menu.


Josh




I do now, following Bill's advice.

IMV someone needs to do some sorting out. ATM I have "terminal" (doesn't 
say which) in "Utilities" (consistent with Mac OSX, I'd not worry about 
consistency with Windows in this matter as it moves around according to 
the direction of the wind and the time wind oes is released).


It's Gnome terminal.

In System (where I'd not think to look) there are
"terminal" (doesn't say which but it's gterm again),
"root terminal" which does not run gterm, it's xterm
"run as different user" which doesn't seem to work - if something's 
missing, should it be in the menu?

Konsole
More/Terminal program - superuser mode which does not run gterm.


In "Internet" I have a submenu "Terminal" whose only entry is "pine." 
Not a terminal exactly.

Mutt is installed but not in the menus there

There are various programs there that don't seem to me internet-related 
such as ethereal - doesn't that belong to "system?"


"More" has one entry, "Korn." I think Korn was Korn shell, but not this 
one. It argues and doesn't start so I can't tell what it does except 
it's email-related.


Debian has a submenu of xshells which include all the above plus rxvt 
(another of those that was sensibly-placed earlier and went AWOL).


Debian also has Apps/shells which contains
ash
bash
sh
tsch
which all run xterm.

I note "Editors" has Abiword: I'd look for it in "Office."
gvim is my favourite editor, but is _not_ in Editors (though it is in 
Debian/Editors).


I also have the "Terminal sessions" menu selected to show. However, 
despite its description being so similar to gterm's, it's actually 
running Konsole sessions.


I appreciate that my comments extend far beyond the scope of the 
original report. However, I believe that someone known within the Debian 
community - or maybe better KDE - needs to take charge of the KDE menus 
and say "This is how they will be structured." "terminal emulators go in 
" "Text-mode applications such as mutt, pine, lynx" use such-and 
such terminal editor and go into the menus at 


It may be that "someone" is a small committee.

The reasons why this needs to be done are similar to the accepted 
reasons for FHS and such.







Bug#248860: do you have menu-xdg and menu installed?

2004-06-09 Thread Josh Metzler
John,

Do you have the packages "menu-xdg" and "menu" installed?  When KDE went 
from 3.1.5 to 3.2, it changed how it integrates the Debian menu.  It now 
needs menu-xdg to create the Debian menu.

Josh