Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze (was Re: Bits from the Release Team: What should go into squeeze?)

2010-03-17 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:23:11PM -0700, Randall Donald wrote:
 On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 20:21 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
  On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:51:57PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
   - nouveau is nowhere near ready, and needs someone to take care of
 getting the userspace components (and firmware) in sid soon
  I know it's non-free, but I guess we should look for a nvidia proprietary
  solution too.  It tends to accumulate lots of RC bugs.  Any comments from
  the pkg-nvidia guys?
 We generally go with the latest version at the time of freeze and then
 build a kernel module package that is compatible. Other than that is
 there something else you are asking about? 

You mean regardless of 9 RC bugs opened against the package?  That even
sounds like please force the newest upstream versions into squeeze
regardless of any packaging bugs, or do you want to release with the current
version in testing?

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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze

2010-03-17 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2010-03-17 09:37 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:

 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:23:11PM -0700, Randall Donald wrote:
 We generally go with the latest version at the time of freeze and then
 build a kernel module package that is compatible. Other than that is
 there something else you are asking about? 

 You mean regardless of 9 RC bugs opened against the package?  That even
 sounds like please force the newest upstream versions into squeeze
 regardless of any packaging bugs, or do you want to release with the current
 version in testing?

Regarding the version in testing, could it please be removed?  It has
unfulfilled dependencies (needs kernel from Lenny) and does not work
with current xserver-xorg-core (support for xserver 1.7 was added in
190.36, according to /usr/share/doc/nvidia-glx/NVIDIA_Changelog.gz).

Sven


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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze

2010-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org writes:
 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:23:11PM -0700, Randall Donald wrote:

 We generally go with the latest version at the time of freeze and then
 build a kernel module package that is compatible. Other than that is
 there something else you are asking about? 

 You mean regardless of 9 RC bugs opened against the package?  That even
 sounds like please force the newest upstream versions into squeeze
 regardless of any packaging bugs, or do you want to release with the
 current version in testing?

Generally, the problem with RC bugs against nvidia-graphics-drivers are
just lack of team manpower so far as I can tell (as a user but not someone
involved in the team).  Each time I look at them, most of them should be
downgraded (#523879) or just closed (#534873, #561239, #549869, #548840),
or while a bug are probably no longer relevant enough to really be RC
(#558369), or ones that I've never been able to reproduce despite building
the package all the time (#416594).

The problem is mostly people not having enough time for bug triage and
cleanup.  Very little of that high RC bug count represents any serious
problem with the current packages in unstable other than reflecting that
lack of time.

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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze

2010-03-17 Thread Jean-Christophe Dubacq
On 17/03/2010 09:51, Russ Allbery wrote:
 Philipp Kern pk...@debian.org writes:
 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 04:23:11PM -0700, Randall Donald wrote:
 
 We generally go with the latest version at the time of freeze and then
 build a kernel module package that is compatible. Other than that is
 there something else you are asking about? 
 
 You mean regardless of 9 RC bugs opened against the package?  That even
 sounds like please force the newest upstream versions into squeeze
 regardless of any packaging bugs, or do you want to release with the
 current version in testing?
 
 Generally, the problem with RC bugs against nvidia-graphics-drivers are
 just lack of team manpower so far as I can tell (as a user but not someone
 involved in the team).  Each time I look at them, most of them should be
 downgraded (#523879) or just closed (#534873, #561239, #549869, #548840),
 or while a bug are probably no longer relevant enough to really be RC
 (#558369), or ones that I've never been able to reproduce despite building
 the package all the time (#416594).
 
 The problem is mostly people not having enough time for bug triage and
 cleanup.  Very little of that high RC bug count represents any serious
 problem with the current packages in unstable other than reflecting that
 lack of time.

I agree with this statement. I have been investigating the packaging of
nvidia-graphics-drivers and most bugs are unreproducible on my machines
with 190.53. I had scheduled some time for bug triaging but due to an
unexpected trip to China (and preparation for it) I had to delay.

However, there is a critical security bug on nvidia-kernel-common very
easy to fix that has to enter testing.

PS: I am not formally part of the team, not being a DM/DD. But I do have
an interest in joining it since I do the maintainance for many different
machines almost all with nvidia GPU.
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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze (was Re: Bits from the Release Team: What should go into squeeze?)

2010-03-17 Thread Randall Donald

 You mean regardless of 9 RC bugs opened against the package?  That even
 sounds like please force the newest upstream versions into squeeze

No of course not. I haven't looked at the RC bugs recently but they are
generally fixed by newer upstream or the severity is too high. 

Regards,
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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze

2010-03-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery r...@debian.org writes:

 Generally, the problem with RC bugs against nvidia-graphics-drivers are
 just lack of team manpower so far as I can tell (as a user but not
 someone involved in the team).  Each time I look at them, most of them
 should be downgraded (#523879) or just closed (#534873, #561239,
 #549869, #548840), or while a bug are probably no longer relevant enough
 to really be RC (#558369), or ones that I've never been able to
 reproduce despite building the package all the time (#416594).

I've now triaged the RC bugs against nvidia-graphics-drivers and they
should more accurately reflect the state of the package.  Many of the bugs
were already fixed and just weren't properly closed.  One of them I
downgraded.

There are two open RC bugs, one of which is only borderline RC.  Both now
have patches attached to the bugs.  One previously did and just wasn't
tagged, and I added a patch for the other.  Both are fairly simple.
Another upload plus figuring out why the package didn't get built on i386
should resolve the remaining issues and let the version in unstable
migrate to squeeze.

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Re: [pkg-nvidia-devel] X stack for squeeze (was Re: Bits from the Release Team: What should go into squeeze?)

2010-03-16 Thread Randall Donald
On Tue, 2010-03-16 at 20:21 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
 On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 03:51:57PM +0100, Julien Cristau wrote:
  - nouveau is nowhere near ready, and needs someone to take care of
getting the userspace components (and firmware) in sid soon
 
 I know it's non-free, but I guess we should look for a nvidia proprietary
 solution too.  It tends to accumulate lots of RC bugs.  Any comments from
 the pkg-nvidia guys?
 

We generally go with the latest version at the time of freeze and then
build a kernel module package that is compatible. Other than that is
there something else you are asking about? 



 Kind regards,
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