Bug#703257: Bug#702523: Bug#702486: Bug#703257: RM: libnet-twitter-lite-perl/0.11002-1

2013-03-17 Thread Dominic Hargreaves 
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 10:26:37PM +0100, gregor herrmann wrote:
> On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:38:39 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:07:37PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > > Please consider removing libnet-twitter-lite-perl.  The current
> > > twitter API is being disable this month requiring large changes to the
> > > codebase (bug #702523), which are likely unacceptable at this point in
> > > the freeze.
> > > 
> > > Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency tircd.
> > 
> > On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:10:03PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > > Please consider removing libnet-twitter-perl.  The current twitter API
> > > is being disable this month requiring large changes to the codebase
> > > (bug #702486, which are likely unacceptable at this point in the
> > > freeze.
> > > 
> > > Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency webgui.
> 
> webgui is not in wheezy and therefore unaffected by a potential
> removal of libnet-twitter-perl from testing.
>  
> > I don't see any indication of you discussing this with the maintainers of
> > libnet-twitter-* or their reverse dependencies? 
> 
> Thanks Jonathan for putting us in the loop!
> I had indeed not seen the those 2 new bugs.

Ditto to both.

> > NACK until the maintainers have chance to comment.
> 
> Dominic has looked at the packages this afternoon, maybe he can
> summarise this opinion.

I don't think I have much more to add beyond my message at
.
It would of course be a shame if libnet-twitter-*perl were removed
from wheezy, but understandable. From my packaging work of
libnet-twitter-list-perl today, I can say that the changes are actually
not as large as they first appear; much of the changeset is noise due
to refactoring (to support the new API cleanly). If it was earlier on
in the freeze process, I'd be arguing more strongly for pushing this
into wheezy.

The main significant change is in Net/Twitter/Lite.pm itself:

http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=pkg-perl/packages/libnet-twitter-lite-perl.git;a=commitdiff;h=3029a124dc76aba3d3f9eb02e9a98f690652bb3d#patch25

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Bug#703257: RM: libnet-twitter-lite-perl/0.11002-1

2013-03-17 Thread Michael Gilbert 
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 4:38 PM, Jonathan Wiltshire  wrote:
> I do not like this pattern of unannounced removal requests without
> consulting maintainers. In these two cases I probably agree with the
> intention, but not with the way you are going about it.
>
> I also really dislike your recent habit of making discussions hard to
> follow by opening new bugs. Please keep things in one place so everyone can
> follow along.

I fail to follow this line of reasoning.  Does the bts not make
everything more nice and tidy?  Instead of discussions about removals
taking place in bug reports, and stagnating, the bts has a nice tidy
section on those.

Anyway, RM bugs are just like any other bug: they're only suggestions.
 That's why I often say "please consider".  The release team is of
course going to investigate (i.e. talk to maintainers if needed)
before jumping the gun and ticking people off.

I've also found that RM bugs often light fires under people, resulting
in problems solved faster.  So, that's all positive (except for the
maintainers that don't react).

Package removals are a healthy part of the release process.  Let's not
slow that down.

> NACK until the maintainers have chance to comment.

Completely understandable.  I knew that would be part of the process.

Thanks for the feedback.

Best wishes,
Mike


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Bug#703257: Bug#702486: Bug#703257: RM: libnet-twitter-lite-perl/0.11002-1

2013-03-17 Thread gregor herrmann 
On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 20:38:39 +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote:

> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:07:37PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > Please consider removing libnet-twitter-lite-perl.  The current
> > twitter API is being disable this month requiring large changes to the
> > codebase (bug #702523), which are likely unacceptable at this point in
> > the freeze.
> > 
> > Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency tircd.
> 
> On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:10:03PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> > Please consider removing libnet-twitter-perl.  The current twitter API
> > is being disable this month requiring large changes to the codebase
> > (bug #702486, which are likely unacceptable at this point in the
> > freeze.
> > 
> > Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency webgui.

webgui is not in wheezy and therefore unaffected by a potential
removal of libnet-twitter-perl from testing.
 
> I don't see any indication of you discussing this with the maintainers of
> libnet-twitter-* or their reverse dependencies? 

Thanks Jonathan for putting us in the loop!
I had indeed not seen the those 2 new bugs.
 
> NACK until the maintainers have chance to comment.

Dominic has looked at the packages this afternoon, maybe he can
summarise this opinion.


Cheers,
gregor

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Bug#703257: RM: libnet-twitter-lite-perl/0.11002-1

2013-03-17 Thread Jonathan Wiltshire 
On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:07:37PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Please consider removing libnet-twitter-lite-perl.  The current
> twitter API is being disable this month requiring large changes to the
> codebase (bug #702523), which are likely unacceptable at this point in
> the freeze.
> 
> Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency tircd.

On Sun, Mar 17, 2013 at 02:10:03PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> Please consider removing libnet-twitter-perl.  The current twitter API
> is being disable this month requiring large changes to the codebase
> (bug #702486, which are likely unacceptable at this point in the
> freeze.
> 
> Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency webgui.

I don't see any indication of you discussing this with the maintainers of
libnet-twitter-* or their reverse dependencies? 

I do not like this pattern of unannounced removal requests without
consulting maintainers. In these two cases I probably agree with the
intention, but not with the way you are going about it.

I also really dislike your recent habit of making discussions hard to
follow by opening new bugs. Please keep things in one place so everyone can
follow along.

NACK until the maintainers have chance to comment.

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Bug#703257: RM: libnet-twitter-lite-perl/0.11002-1

2013-03-17 Thread Michael Gilbert 
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Please consider removing libnet-twitter-lite-perl.  The current
twitter API is being disable this month requiring large changes to the
codebase (bug #702523), which are likely unacceptable at this point in
the freeze.

Note that this will also require removing its reverse-dependency tircd.

Thanks,
Mike


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