Re: [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
On Sun, Mar 10, 2013 at 11:19:01PM +, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: It would indeed be sad but we don't have many options at this stage. I will put my cards on the table and say I favour having a good quality package in backports and the chance for ownCloud to be in Jessie. I suggest there is a further week or so for the maintainers to put together a maintenance plan if they wish but after that we look seriously at removal. Well, a week passed and a plan hasn't appeared, so I'm scheduling removal tonight. I'm sorry we couldn't resolve it more positively. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
Hi Also forwarding/quoting Lukas Reschke's mail here on debian-release (it was sent on pkg-owncloud-maintainers maintainer list): cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut- Hey all, This is a grave concern. Having OC5 in Wheezy is just not going to be an option; having to carry security support on our own for three years for 4.0.x equally so. I have to support that what Tom said - we (upstream) just can't guarantee to support stable4 for such along period. ownCloud is maturing in a very fast way, a lot of code changed what is really cool and exciting, but to be honest we're just too few people to support three different versions upstream and stable4 is - compared to our newer releases ... let's say it in a nice way ... not that good ;-) In the future, we might consider to release a LTS version with long term support, however this certainly won't be ownCloud 4 nor ownCloud 4.5. To say it in other words: I'm tempted to say that we're going to drop the support of stable4 with the release of ownCloud 6.0 in a few months. - It's already a lot of work to support 3 versions, it would be unreasonable to support 4. Thanks, Lukas -- ownCloud Your Cloud, Your Data, Your Way! cut-cut-cut-cut-cut-cut- Regards, Salvatore -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/20130314212830.GA32685@elende
Re: [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
On Fri, Mar 01, 2013 at 09:06:12PM +0100, Thomas Müller wrote: Am Freitag, dem 01.03.2013 um 20:12 schrieb David Prévot: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Le 01/03/2013 12:54, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit : I'm skeptical that owncloud should be shipped in Wheezy. It has frequent security issues and the initial maintainers appear to be inactive, all updates after October have been NMUs... Including owncloud maintainers to the loop in hope this wake up call from the security team could lead to some visible activity, or if previous NMUers would be happy to join the team, if such a team could be set up, or whatever positive sign in that regard. Talking to you with the hat of an ownCloud core developer on my head: We will release OC5 in 2-3 weeks which will lead to 3 stable version to be maintained: 4.0.x, 4.5.x and 5.0.x which is a tough job. I would not be surprised if 4.0.x will be dropped within 2013 and then maintenance will be a pure nightmare. This is a grave concern. Having OC5 in Wheezy is just not going to be an option; having to carry security support on our own for three years for 4.0.x equally so. Having an upstream developer on the Debian packaging team would be a help, of course, but we can't ignore the recent NMU history of the package. I don't mean to blame anyone, facts are facts. Talking to you with the hat of an almost inactive package maintainer: Sorry for the inactivity - sometimes it's simply too much! Any other debain devs and maintainers are welcome to join our team and keep the package alive! Paul and myself spend many nighty in April 2012 to get ownCloud into Wheezy before the freeze. It really would be sad to see it being dropped! :-( It would indeed be sad but we don't have many options at this stage. I will put my cards on the table and say I favour having a good quality package in backports and the chance for ownCloud to be in Jessie. I suggest there is a further week or so for the maintainers to put together a maintenance plan if they wish but after that we look seriously at removal. -- Jonathan Wiltshire j...@debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 directhex i have six years of solaris sysadmin experience, from 8-10. i am well qualified to say it is made from bonghits layered on top of bonghits signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
I'm skeptical that owncloud should be shipped in Wheezy. It has frequent security issues and the initial maintainers appear to be inactive, all updates after October have been NMUs... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/slrnkj1n9j.5o3@inutil.org
Re: Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Le 01/03/2013 12:54, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit : I'm skeptical that owncloud should be shipped in Wheezy. It has frequent security issues and the initial maintainers appear to be inactive, all updates after October have been NMUs... Including owncloud maintainers to the loop in hope this wake up call from the security team could lead to some visible activity, or if previous NMUers would be happy to join the team, if such a team could be set up, or whatever positive sign in that regard. Regards David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRMP24AAoJELgqIXr9/gnyHQ8QAKLYzLPgJnNWkPU1Z+nvXu79 DZyWd+3FgE+LdCw0TNoisEPF929k8vSDjPX5cKBi1JIA4tjH/y+eSgZrOceM9Tsu 2pvqS3NXVbUb5bbepfuTPAaeMdDrCoZgPeVDeMrrcyDjCQfGdZ4Eb9eqFr8F6yKB ZfBW4i8dc067d1nr5KUfiW/A6R0evrXGhwC7btTSKjErwsLZQhRifagqbmuDeMwK fQ751xEo7FX6RXCzkuUuMQmHf5+SsOdHjjMKh5P62OJKao+UqejYTxFk6jCoTOOJ LR9IFXiGMps9+dqPROjeYEZwJXBPXXOtMyNapgXng+6H22UWXe7UPY1bKm5hZZWq iZ9HNuIdjRN8xnt4/xG2clotLg7QWUk0qaHDjf5+7EiXfXDa9PpaZlshv93gVfKW xMjysqsJP8K5sP5+9Ul8GMApEf9fdpqQ7xURE1T4MCTdQN59q+7QDAizWpTEtL/1 RFoevU0WVNO7883th/lr1Tga1o37sC5jaXS7Wn3bTXZ3OPlnR/x2x6fjmwrcU7Xv Hr8bwwSVkneApBebeUasCbkBFhDZeNmHD2NaP3QXdLvqTtNFfeSJRcJVIMk5JPev MDwVhAgaBrrA7w0W8LqZlXz9tVGfCpSZYScEGxM4qsgWlxhsrUAFJeOl0TMpt0zW cERKI8ucHqc1mMF4pOfj =nKXY -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/5130fdb9.2070...@debian.org
Re: [Pkg-owncloud-maintainers] Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
Am Freitag, dem 01.03.2013 um 20:12 schrieb David Prévot: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Hi, Le 01/03/2013 12:54, Moritz Mühlenhoff a écrit : I'm skeptical that owncloud should be shipped in Wheezy. It has frequent security issues and the initial maintainers appear to be inactive, all updates after October have been NMUs... Including owncloud maintainers to the loop in hope this wake up call from the security team could lead to some visible activity, or if previous NMUers would be happy to join the team, if such a team could be set up, or whatever positive sign in that regard. Talking to you with the hat of an ownCloud core developer on my head: We will release OC5 in 2-3 weeks which will lead to 3 stable version to be maintained: 4.0.x, 4.5.x and 5.0.x which is a tough job. I would not be surprised if 4.0.x will be dropped within 2013 and then maintenance will be a pure nightmare. Talking to you with the hat of an almost inactive package maintainer: Sorry for the inactivity - sometimes it's simply too much! Any other debain devs and maintainers are welcome to join our team and keep the package alive! Paul and myself spend many nighty in April 2012 to get ownCloud into Wheezy before the freeze. It really would be sad to see it being dropped! :-( Take care, Tom Regards David -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.12 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBCAAGBQJRMP24AAoJELgqIXr9/gnyHQ8QAKLYzLPgJnNWkPU1Z+nvXu79 DZyWd+3FgE+LdCw0TNoisEPF929k8vSDjPX5cKBi1JIA4tjH/y+eSgZrOceM9Tsu 2pvqS3NXVbUb5bbepfuTPAaeMdDrCoZgPeVDeMrrcyDjCQfGdZ4Eb9eqFr8F6yKB ZfBW4i8dc067d1nr5KUfiW/A6R0evrXGhwC7btTSKjErwsLZQhRifagqbmuDeMwK fQ751xEo7FX6RXCzkuUuMQmHf5+SsOdHjjMKh5P62OJKao+UqejYTxFk6jCoTOOJ LR9IFXiGMps9+dqPROjeYEZwJXBPXXOtMyNapgXng+6H22UWXe7UPY1bKm5hZZWq iZ9HNuIdjRN8xnt4/xG2clotLg7QWUk0qaHDjf5+7EiXfXDa9PpaZlshv93gVfKW xMjysqsJP8K5sP5+9Ul8GMApEf9fdpqQ7xURE1T4MCTdQN59q+7QDAizWpTEtL/1 RFoevU0WVNO7883th/lr1Tga1o37sC5jaXS7Wn3bTXZ3OPlnR/x2x6fjmwrcU7Xv Hr8bwwSVkneApBebeUasCbkBFhDZeNmHD2NaP3QXdLvqTtNFfeSJRcJVIMk5JPev MDwVhAgaBrrA7w0W8LqZlXz9tVGfCpSZYScEGxM4qsgWlxhsrUAFJeOl0TMpt0zW cERKI8ucHqc1mMF4pOfj =nKXY -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Pkg-owncloud-maintainers mailing list pkg-owncloud-maintain...@lists.alioth.debian.org http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/pkg-owncloud-maintainers -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/1362168372.51310a3460...@office.tmit.eu
Re: Dropping owncloud from Wheezy?
On Fri, Mar 1, 2013 at 11:54 AM, Moritz Mühlenhoff wrote: I'm skeptical that owncloud should be shipped in Wheezy. It has frequent security issues and the initial maintainers appear to be inactive, all updates after October have been NMUs... I agree. Let's remove it until its demonstrably supportable security-wise. Best wishes, Mike -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-release-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact listmas...@lists.debian.org Archive: http://lists.debian.org/CANTw=mplhoiwh7p4rlttnbncz95xrs2ny_uhcjnugvciypd...@mail.gmail.com
