Re: Meeting Minutes from the latest SRM meeting

2006-09-12 Thread Andreas Barth
* Julien Danjou ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060912 12:27]:
> On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:13:00PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> >  http://ftp-master.d.o/proposed-updates.html:
> >  - report about arch-not-in-sync status if package is not from 
> > security.d.o
> >for packages already in proposed-updates
> 
> I just  added some  code to  check arch.  If package  is from  s.d.o and
> there's missing arch, status is set to WARN.
> I'm quite sure there's still some bugs we'll see by checking manually.

What is also important is a post-check for the accepted packages, i.e.
packages which miss an arch are showed as warning.

I could contribute a few lines for that effect.


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Re: Meeting Minutes from the latest SRM meeting

2006-09-12 Thread Julien Danjou
On Fri, Sep 08, 2006 at 10:13:00PM +0200, Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
Hi,

>  http://ftp-master.d.o/proposed-updates.html:
>  - report about arch-not-in-sync status if package is not from 
> security.d.o
>for packages already in proposed-updates

I just  added some  code to  check arch.  If package  is from  s.d.o and
there's missing arch, status is set to WARN.
I'm quite sure there's still some bugs we'll see by checking manually.

Anyway, feedback welcome.

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Re: Meeting Minutes from the latest SRM meeting

2006-09-11 Thread Martin Schulze
Martin Zobel-Helas wrote:
>- Time based release:
>  We spoke about the idea of a time based release for r4. Anthony and 
> Julien
>  think it is a too short time frame, but we should try this experiment, 
> and
>  the speak with cd-vendors after r4, so we get better impression. Release
>  date of r4 set to ~16th of October.

What do you want to achieve with talking to CD vendors?  They'll need
at least half a year between updates so that they can produce cheap
and sell their sets.  This collides with the Debian goal to let
updates flow into the stable releases after a not too long time.  You
can't achieve both goals.

When you talk to CD vendors, please don't emphasize on r* at all.
These should merely small updates and not a reason to restart
producing CDs/DVDs again.  Only when the vendor needs to produce a new
disk set they should use the most recent images from Debian.

>- Point-Releases for oldstable:
>  We talked about point releases for oldstable. Martin is willing to do 
> that
>  with beginning of etch=stable. Anthony stated that this needs to be
>  implemented on dak side, but is straightforward, though. Details of this
>  point were skipped for this meeting however.

Finally...  That would be great.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: Meeting Minutes from the latest SRM meeting

2006-09-10 Thread Andreas Barth
* Martin Zobel-Helas ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [060908 22:13]:
>  Some packages from security.d.o do not make it to ftp-master. Andi will
>  rewrite his script which shows missing packages from security.d.o
>  to work with p-u-new.

Now available at http://spohr.debian.org/~aba/missing-pu.html

>  That tool should also produce output for queue/p-u-new/COMMENTS.
>  Andi and Julien will work on that.

Please see my other mail on that topic from today.


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Meeting Minutes from the latest SRM meeting

2006-09-08 Thread Martin Zobel-Helas

Hi *,

there was a stable release team meeting on Thursday September, 8th. Here
are the meeting minutes, summerized by zobel, additions by aba.


Meeting Minutes:

   - Kernel updates:
 Dann reported, that another kernel update with abi change will happen soon
 but he will not change the abi number of that kernel, as only one module
 is affected. After that a kernel update for only 1-2 archs will happen. 
 
 He also reported that he is working on a new set of kernels to fix some
 long standing bugs and he would also like to include some drivers for new
 NICs and some cciss stuff. This only makes sense if a new d-i version is
 built afterwards. Dann will send a more detailed list to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] prior upload.
   
   - Time based release:
 We spoke about the idea of a time based release for r4. Anthony and Julien
 think it is a too short time frame, but we should try this experiment, and
 the speak with cd-vendors after r4, so we get better impression. Release
 date of r4 set to ~16th of October.

 Shorter release cycles would lower the risk of problems we had with e.g.
 sendmail.
   
   - QA related review on r3:
 Anthony reported that a couple of things were left out in my mail to
 ftpmasters, like e.g. two packages not in the list and the removals of old
 kernels. We agreed that with beginning of r4, it should just be
 "everything in p-u should be pushed into stable + these removals + this 
list
 of hand-tasks (like e.g. pushing the new d-i in or whatever)".

 Some packages from security.d.o do not make it to ftp-master. Andi will
 rewrite his script which shows missing packages from security.d.o
 to work with p-u-new.

 ACCEPT/REJECT mails on debian-changes need some work. It is basicly
 rewriting the scripts used for p-u-new accepts/rejects. Andi and Anthony
 will work on that.

 Footnote: We need to handle libcrypt-cbc-perl somehow, as it shouldn't be
 accepted.

   - New Tool for SRM:
 SRM would like to have some small tool to do package checks based on what
 is already in stable, 
 - diffing .dsc, 
 - running wdiff on .deb.
 - compare md5sum of packages, if they come from security.d.o

 That tool should also produce output for queue/p-u-new/COMMENTS.
 Andi and Julien will work on that.

 Also a small enhancement is wanted for 
 http://ftp-master.d.o/proposed-updates.html:
 - report about arch-not-in-sync status if package is not from security.d.o
   for packages already in proposed-updates

   - Key Management for stable
 We require the following to work:
 Any of etch rX needs to be able to install:
 - all etch rY [2006-12 to 2009-06/2008-06]
 - dist-upgrade to (etch+1)rY [2007-06 to 2008-12/2009-12]
 - should dist-upgrade to testing/unstable between etch and etch+1's release
   [2006-12 to 2007-06]
 - security updates for etch from security.debian.org [2006-12 to 2009-06]

 For this, we use three keys, apt in etch contains {ftp-master, SRM, 
security}-key.
 The primary key and secondary keys are:
 for testing, unstable, experimental, *proposed: ftp-master key (which is 
online);
 for security: security-key, with ftp-master key as secondary;
 for stable: SRM-key, with ftp-master key as secondary.

 After release of etch+1, three new keys {ftp-master', SRM', securiy'} are 
added to apt.
 The primary key and secondary keys are:
 for testing, unstable, experimental, *proposed: ftp-master' key (which is 
online), with
 ftp-master key for a transition periode as secondary;
 for security: security'-key, with ftp-master(') keys as secondary;
 for stable: SRM'-key, with SRM-key and ftp-master(') keys as secondary.

 (and same as after etch+1 after etch+2)

   - Point-Releases for oldstable:
 We talked about point releases for oldstable. Martin is willing to do that
 with beginning of etch=stable. Anthony stated that this needs to be
 implemented on dak side, but is straightforward, though. Details of this
 point were skipped for this meeting however.

   - Tracking RC bugs for stable on bts.turmzimmer.net
 Andi will work on that.

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