Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Am 02.02.2023 um 18:33 teilte Sven Joachim mit: Hi Sven, Sorry, if I keep debian-release in Cc, it is probably out of scope of this list. Let me know if I should stop posting here. I had a look at some of these logs, and all cases appear to be tripping over the following change mentioned in texinfo's NEWS file. , | 7.0 (7 November 2022) | * texi2any | . HTML output: | . use manual_name_html as output directory for split HTML instead of |manual_name or manual_name.html ` Which seems to rather gratuitously break existing Makefiles left and right. Actually it surprises me that only 15 packages FTBFS due to that incompatible change, there will likely be other cases where HTML documentation silently goes missing. :-( Thanks this hint! I'm not sure if all packages do not pre-define the output directory. For example octave uses the option -o instead of assuming a constant output dir. At least for diffutils this solves the issue. Hilmar -- sigfault
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Am 01.02.2023 um 23:32 schrieb Hilmar Preuße: > Am 25.01.2023 um 22:08 teilte Sebastian Ramacher mit: >> On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > > Dear release managers, > >>> TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and >>> was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were >>> addressed by upstream authors promptly. >>> Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could >>> think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in >>> the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that >>> a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so >>> uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. >> >> Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That >> would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. >> > I got a response from Lucas: > > > At http://qa-logs.debian.net/2023/01/31/ you will find build logs for > packages: > 1) currently in testing > 2) that failed with the new texinfo but succeeded in vanilla unstable > > In addition to those, octave's build hang but I don't have the build > log, so this would need to be retried. > > > This is a list of 15 (+1) packages, which likely disqualifies for an > upload of TeX Info 7.0. I'll try to look into these issues in the next > days, but I have doubt that I'm even able to evaluate if these are bugs > in makeinfo or bugs in the packages. I had a look at some of these logs, and all cases appear to be tripping over the following change mentioned in texinfo's NEWS file. , | 7.0 (7 November 2022) | * texi2any | . HTML output: | . use manual_name_html as output directory for split HTML instead of |manual_name or manual_name.html ` Which seems to rather gratuitously break existing Makefiles left and right. Actually it surprises me that only 15 packages FTBFS due to that incompatible change, there will likely be other cases where HTML documentation silently goes missing. :-( Cheers, Sven
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Am 25.01.2023 um 22:08 teilte Sebastian Ramacher mit: On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: Dear release managers, TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were addressed by upstream authors promptly. Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. I got a response from Lucas: At http://qa-logs.debian.net/2023/01/31/ you will find build logs for packages: 1) currently in testing 2) that failed with the new texinfo but succeeded in vanilla unstable In addition to those, octave's build hang but I don't have the build log, so this would need to be retried. This is a list of 15 (+1) packages, which likely disqualifies for an upload of TeX Info 7.0. I'll try to look into these issues in the next days, but I have doubt that I'm even able to evaluate if these are bugs in makeinfo or bugs in the packages. Hilmar -- sigfault
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Am 29.01.2023 um 02:08 teilte Anthony Fok mit: On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 2:24 AM Sebastian Ramacher wrote: Hi Anthony, There's https://wiki.debian.org/MassRebuilds - best to talk to Lucas. There is also the "ratt - Rebuild All The Things" tool written by Michael Stapelberg, originally for the Debian Go Packaging Team, but works on any other non-Go packages! I am now trying it on libwebp 1.2.4-1 which I uploaded a while ago (which I didn't test with ratt back then but thankfully didn't break anything), and it is running great on my local machine! "apt install ratt", and optionally "apt install dose-extra" too if it didn't get installed, for better reverse-dependency checking (i.e. more comprehensive list of packages to test rebuild). Yes, I've seen ratt. I tested this morning and it [1] gave me hille@sid-amd64:~/devel/TeXLive/github$ grep -c sbuild ratt.txt 35174 ...to many sbuild commands. I guess "reverse-depends -b texinfo" gives me a better approximation. However building a few gcc source packages is far from my hardware resources. I've contacted Lucas and now I am waiting for reply. Hilmar [1] ratt -dist sid -sbuild_dist sid -dry_run texinfo_7.0.2-1_amd64.changes 2> ratt.txt -- sigfault
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Hi Hilmar and Sebastian, On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 2:24 AM Sebastian Ramacher wrote: > On 2023-01-25 23:17:54 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > > Am 25.01.2023 um 22:08 teilte Sebastian Ramacher mit: > > > On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > > > > TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and > > > > was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were > > > > addressed by upstream authors promptly. > > > > Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could > > > > think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in > > > > the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that > > > > a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so > > > > uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. > > > > > > Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That > > > would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. > > > > > No, I did not. Could you trigger that or let me know how to do it? > > There's https://wiki.debian.org/MassRebuilds - best to talk to Lucas. There is also the "ratt - Rebuild All The Things" tool written by Michael Stapelberg, originally for the Debian Go Packaging Team, but works on any other non-Go packages! I am now trying it on libwebp 1.2.4-1 which I uploaded a while ago (which I didn't test with ratt back then but thankfully didn't break anything), and it is running great on my local machine! "apt install ratt", and optionally "apt install dose-extra" too if it didn't get installed, for better reverse-dependency checking (i.e. more comprehensive list of packages to test rebuild). Cheers, Anthony
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Hi Hilmar On 2023-01-25 23:17:54 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > Am 25.01.2023 um 22:08 teilte Sebastian Ramacher mit: > > On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > > Hello Sebastian, > > > > TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and > > > was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were > > > addressed by upstream authors promptly. > > > Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could > > > think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in > > > the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that > > > a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so > > > uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. > > > > Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That > > would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. > > > No, I did not. Could you trigger that or let me know how to do it? There's https://wiki.debian.org/MassRebuilds - best to talk to Lucas. Best Sebastian -- Sebastian Ramacher
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Am 25.01.2023 um 22:08 teilte Sebastian Ramacher mit: On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: Hello Sebastian, TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were addressed by upstream authors promptly. Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. No, I did not. Could you trigger that or let me know how to do it? Thanks, Hilmar -- sigfault
Re: Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Hi Hilmar, On 2023-01-24 09:23:26 +0100, Hilmar Preuße wrote: > Dear release managers, > > TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and > was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were > addressed by upstream authors promptly. > Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could > think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in > the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that > a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so > uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. Did you perform a test rebuild of the reverse build dependencies? That would make it every easy to answer the question whether its safe or not. Cheers > Therefore I'm hesitating to upload even to unstable. Let me know your > opinion. > > Hilmar > > [1] https://release.debian.org/testing/freeze_policy.html > -- > sigfault > -- Sebastian Ramacher
Upload of TeX Info 7.0.x to unstable?
Dear release managers, TeX Info version 7.0 was released last year at beginning of November and was uploaded to experimental. We got a few bug reports, which were addressed by upstream authors promptly. Since then two bugfix releases appeared (currently 7.0.2) and we could think about uploading to unstable. According to [1] we are neither in the tool chain nor would this be a transition. Nevertheless we know that a few(?) packages use makeinfo and texi2* to convert documents, so uploading could cause breakage and FTBFS bugs when building docs. Therefore I'm hesitating to upload even to unstable. Let me know your opinion. Hilmar [1] https://release.debian.org/testing/freeze_policy.html -- sigfault
