Re: Lenny version info

[Mike Mestnik]

Michael Cassano wrote:


Clearly what is needed is a better explanation of this list and
what it is
for, including sections for Rules and Etiquette.  Though I feel
Rules and
Etiquette may be common to all lists.debian.org
.


More documentation would not help those like Ashley and Ashvin.  The 
best course of action is to explain the rules to those who don't 
understand them (Ashley, Ashvin, majority of Internet users) and move on.


Actually, it's all just a bunch of hot air without any documentation to 
back it up.  There needs to be an authoritative source dictating the 
rules, otherwise it's just going to turn into a playground scrap.
But let's be honest, we are preaching to the choir.  Nothing to see 
here, move along.


Mike



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Re: Lenny version info

[Nick Boyce]

[sigh] ... okay

On 15/12/2010 12:00, John Keimel wrote:

> http://tinyurl.com/2b3g2l4
> 
> Also, since you need it:
> 
> http://tinyurl.com/ybpctcz
> 
> Please particularly note items on "jeopardy reply" or "Top posting"
> and "trimming".

+1

Nick
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Re: Lenny version info

[Arthur de Jong]

On Mon, 2010-12-13 at 10:59 +1030, Ashvin Narayanan wrote:
> This probably isn't the best place to ask but I couldn't find a better one.
> How do I obtain information about my Lenny installation? Is there a
> command that tells me the version number?

What I generally do to check the status of the system and see if
everything is up-to-date and as it should be:

- check /etc/debian_version
- check /etc/apt/sources.list (also the easiest place to get the code
  name because I always forget the version numbers and you can
  immediately see which repositories are used)
- check /etc/apt/sources.list.d/
- use aptitude to see if anything is funny (obsolete or unused packages
  mostly)
- use apt-show-versions and some clever grepping to see where all
  packages come from (and whether they're up-to-date/obsolete/manually
  installed/outdated experimental/whatever)

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Re: Lenny version info

[Michael Cassano]

>
> Clearly what is needed is a better explanation of this list and what it is
> for, including sections for Rules and Etiquette.  Though I feel Rules and
> Etiquette may be common to all lists.debian.org.
>
>
More documentation would not help those like Ashley and Ashvin.  The best
course of action is to explain the rules to those who don't understand them
(Ashley, Ashvin, majority of Internet users) and move on.

But let's be honest, we are preaching to the choir.  Nothing to see here,
move along.

Mike

Re: Lenny version info

[Mike Mestnik]

Jim Popovitch wrote:

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 07:00, John Keimel  wrote:
  

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ashley Taylor  wrote:


Hi,
http://tinyurl.com/ybpctcz

Please particularly note items on "jeopardy reply" or "Top posting"
and "trimming".
  


+1

-Jim P.

  

+1


Clearly what is needed is a better explanation of this list and what it is
for, including sections for Rules and Etiquette.  Though I feel Rules and
Etiquette may be common to all lists.debian.org.

Clearly the majority will be for interleaved posting as well as a sensible
line length limit.


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Re: Lenny version info

[John Keimel]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Ashley Taylor  wrote:
> stfu and stop replying to this chain. This is debian-security, not
> debian-childish-trolling.

It's called a thread not a chain. Chain e-mails are also frowned upon. Thanks.

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Re: Lenny version info

[Ashley Taylor]

tl;dr

stfu and stop replying to this chain. This is debian-security, not
debian-childish-trolling.

My email earlier was to give a hint on where this was heading, and yet it
continues. If you have a problem with the way I handle my email, I'd rather
you'd reply personally to me rather than dragging the whole mailing list
into it.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 3:52 PM, John Keimel  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Ashley Taylor 
> wrote:
> > Sorry, this is the way Gmail handles replies.
> >
>
> No, it's the way YOU handle replies. Gmail happens to place the cursor
> at the top of the email, setting you up for a jeopardy reply. It's
> trivial to scroll down a little and type within the message in the
> proper location and avoid top-posting.
>
> I know this is the case because I'm doing it right now. And I even
> managed to delete the extraneous text that doesn't pertain to the
> conversation. Don't blame gmail for your laziness.
>
> > I hope it's annoying for you like these pointless e-peen stroking bitch
> > replies are agitating me (and yes, this is one of those replies).
>
> I don't do it because it's annoying to you, that's just an added bonus.
>
> Since the thread has already devolved and because anyone with a decent
> email client who doesn't want to see the thread continue has marked it
> dead, I thought that it wouldn't matter too much to reply and add to
> it. Match on a bonfire, as it were.
>
> I'd much rather see security discussions on this list, rather than
> having to educate people in the ways of how the intarwebs works, how
> to google and how to write a proper reply on a technical mailing list.
>
> Cheers!
>
> j
>

Re: Lenny version info

[John Keimel]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 7:10 AM, Ashley Taylor  wrote:
> Sorry, this is the way Gmail handles replies.
>

No, it's the way YOU handle replies. Gmail happens to place the cursor
at the top of the email, setting you up for a jeopardy reply. It's
trivial to scroll down a little and type within the message in the
proper location and avoid top-posting.

I know this is the case because I'm doing it right now. And I even
managed to delete the extraneous text that doesn't pertain to the
conversation. Don't blame gmail for your laziness.

> I hope it's annoying for you like these pointless e-peen stroking bitch
> replies are agitating me (and yes, this is one of those replies).

I don't do it because it's annoying to you, that's just an added bonus.

Since the thread has already devolved and because anyone with a decent
email client who doesn't want to see the thread continue has marked it
dead, I thought that it wouldn't matter too much to reply and add to
it. Match on a bonfire, as it were.

I'd much rather see security discussions on this list, rather than
having to educate people in the ways of how the intarwebs works, how
to google and how to write a proper reply on a technical mailing list.

Cheers!

j


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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 07:00, John Keimel  wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ashley Taylor  wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Does anyone have any decent filter rules for Gmail so I can stop receiving
>> this nonsense without unsubscribing?
>> Thanks.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2b3g2l4
>
> Also, since you need it:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybpctcz
>
> Please particularly note items on "jeopardy reply" or "Top posting"
> and "trimming".

+1

-Jim P.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Andrew McGlashan]

Ashley Taylor wrote:

Sorry, this is the way Gmail handles replies.


Simple answer
   use a proper email client.

Google allows you to do IMAP with Thunderbird or other email clients.

Cheers
A.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Ashley Taylor]

Sorry, this is the way Gmail handles replies.

I hope it's annoying for you like these pointless e-peen stroking bitch
replies are agitating me (and yes, this is one of those replies).

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 12:00 PM, John Keimel  wrote:

> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ashley Taylor 
> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Does anyone have any decent filter rules for Gmail so I can stop
> receiving
> > this nonsense without unsubscribing?
> > Thanks.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2b3g2l4
>
> Also, since you need it:
>
> http://tinyurl.com/ybpctcz
>
> Please particularly note items on "jeopardy reply" or "Top posting"
> and "trimming".
>
>
> j
>

Re: Lenny version info

[John Keimel]

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 6:49 AM, Ashley Taylor  wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone have any decent filter rules for Gmail so I can stop receiving
> this nonsense without unsubscribing?
> Thanks.

http://tinyurl.com/2b3g2l4

Also, since you need it:

http://tinyurl.com/ybpctcz

Please particularly note items on "jeopardy reply" or "Top posting"
and "trimming".


j


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Re: Lenny version info

[Bastien Chanot]

Hi,

Same question here.

B.

Le 15 déc. 2010 à 12:49, Ashley Taylor a écrit :

> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone have any decent filter rules for Gmail so I can stop receiving 
> this nonsense without unsubscribing?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Davide Mirtillo  wrote:
> Il 15/12/2010 08:46, Dörfler Andreas ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
> > If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to 
> > you that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed 
> > to debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian. 
> > So I used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security 
> > (although if you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on 
> > debian-security that did relate to security and one of my concerns was the 
> > version number of my system). So what? The responses I've received from you 
> > make me feel like I've committed a crime against humanity!
> > 
> >
> > dear ash,
> >
> > well, isn't that a basic problem inside the web community?
> > i see it nearly every day:
> >
> > "use google"
> > "use the search function"
> > "my parents failed at breeding, and my education stopped since kindergarten"
> >
> > ppl out there so damn bored about their daily life, they have nothing 
> > better todo then to troll and flame others because of a "stupid question" 
> > (there are no stupid questions (mostly), only stupid answers) - that way 
> > they can prove their supreme intelligence (<- thats sarcasm, google wiki 
> > for it ... ).
> >
> > i tell my "real life" friends to google for problems from time to time too, 
> > but thats because they are just to lazy (mostly windows users ;-)).
> >
> > i think it's ok to tell ppl to user google, but in the same time: tell them 
> > the answer to their questions too.
> > search engines are based on search tags, when someone searches with the 
> > "wrong" words, it can take hours to find an answer.
> >
> > maybe i will ask a "stupid apache question" this week, be ready for impact!
> 
> Please, stop crying about it. I hate people who do that. They're either
> fundamentally lazy or just 13 years old kids who like to troll on the
> internet.
> 
> I'll go ahead and explain to you why giving you an answer to such a
> simple question has generated some harsh responses, by quoting one of
> the most useful how-to that i've come across:
> >
> > Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a 
> > website chat board, do the following:
> >
> > 1.Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan 
> > to post to.
> > 2.Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
> > 3.Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
> > 4.Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
> > 5.Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
> > 6.Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
> > 7.If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source 
> > code.
> >
> > When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these 
> > things first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy sponge 
> > and wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have learned from 
> > doing these things. We like answering questions for people who have 
> > demonstrated they can learn from the answers.
> >
> > Use tactics like doing a Google search on the text of whatever error 
> > message you get (searching Google groups as well as Web pages). This might 
> > well take you straight to fix documentation or a mailing list thread 
> > answering your question. Even if it doesn't, saying “I googled on the 
> > following phrase but didn't get anything that looked promising” is a good 
> > thing to do in e-mail or news postings requesting help, if only because it 
> > records what searches won't help. It will also help to direct other people 
> > with similar problems to your thread by linking the search terms to what 
> > will hopefully be your problem and resolution thread.
> >
> > Take your time. Do not expect to be able to solve a complicated problem 
> > with a few seconds of Googling. Read and understand the FAQs, sit back, 
> > relax and give the problem some thought before approaching experts. Trust 
> > us, they will be able to tell from your questions how much reading and 
> > thinking you did, and will be more willing to help if you come prepared. 
> > Don't instantly fire your whole arsenal of questions just because your 
> > first search turned up no answers (or too many).
> >
> > Prepare your question. Think it through. Hasty-sounding questions get hasty 
> > answers, or none at all. The more you do to demonstrate that having put 
> > thought and effort into solving your problem before seeking help, the more 
> > likely you are to actually get help.
> >
> > Beware of asking the wrong question. If you ask one that is based on faulty 
> > assumptions, J. Ran

Re: Lenny version info

[Ashley Taylor]

Hi,

Does anyone have any decent filter rules for Gmail so I can stop receiving
this nonsense without unsubscribing?

Thanks.

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 9:13 AM, Davide Mirtillo  wrote:

> Il 15/12/2010 08:46, Dörfler Andreas ha scritto:
> >
> >
> > To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
> > If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to
> you that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed
> to debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian.
> So I used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security
> (although if you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on
> debian-security that did relate to security and one of my concerns was the
> version number of my system). So what? The responses I've received from you
> make me feel like I've committed a crime against humanity!
> > 
> >
> > dear ash,
> >
> > well, isn't that a basic problem inside the web community?
> > i see it nearly every day:
> >
> > "use google"
> > "use the search function"
> > "my parents failed at breeding, and my education stopped since
> kindergarten"
> >
> > ppl out there so damn bored about their daily life, they have nothing
> better todo then to troll and flame others because of a "stupid question"
> (there are no stupid questions (mostly), only stupid answers) - that way
> they can prove their supreme intelligence (<- thats sarcasm, google wiki for
> it ... ).
> >
> > i tell my "real life" friends to google for problems from time to time
> too, but thats because they are just to lazy (mostly windows users ;-)).
> >
> > i think it's ok to tell ppl to user google, but in the same time: tell
> them the answer to their questions too.
> > search engines are based on search tags, when someone searches with the
> "wrong" words, it can take hours to find an answer.
> >
> > maybe i will ask a "stupid apache question" this week, be ready for
> impact!
>
> Please, stop crying about it. I hate people who do that. They're either
> fundamentally lazy or just 13 years old kids who like to troll on the
> internet.
>
> I'll go ahead and explain to you why giving you an answer to such a
> simple question has generated some harsh responses, by quoting one of
> the most useful how-to that i've come across:
> >
> > Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a
> website chat board, do the following:
> >
> > 1.Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you
> plan to post to.
> > 2.Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
> > 3.Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
> > 4.Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
> > 5.Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
> > 6.Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
> > 7.If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source
> code.
> >
> > When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these
> things first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy sponge
> and wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have learned from
> doing these things. We like answering questions for people who have
> demonstrated they can learn from the answers.
> >
> > Use tactics like doing a Google search on the text of whatever error
> message you get (searching Google groups as well as Web pages). This might
> well take you straight to fix documentation or a mailing list thread
> answering your question. Even if it doesn't, saying “I googled on the
> following phrase but didn't get anything that looked promising” is a good
> thing to do in e-mail or news postings requesting help, if only because it
> records what searches won't help. It will also help to direct other people
> with similar problems to your thread by linking the search terms to what
> will hopefully be your problem and resolution thread.
> >
> > Take your time. Do not expect to be able to solve a complicated problem
> with a few seconds of Googling. Read and understand the FAQs, sit back,
> relax and give the problem some thought before approaching experts. Trust
> us, they will be able to tell from your questions how much reading and
> thinking you did, and will be more willing to help if you come prepared.
> Don't instantly fire your whole arsenal of questions just because your first
> search turned up no answers (or too many).
> >
> > Prepare your question. Think it through. Hasty-sounding questions get
> hasty answers, or none at all. The more you do to demonstrate that having
> put thought and effort into solving your problem before seeking help, the
> more likely you are to actually get help.
> >
> > Beware of asking the wrong question. If you ask one that is based on
> faulty assumptions, J. Random Hacker is quite likely to reply with a
> uselessly literal answer while thinking “Stupid question...”, and hoping the
> experience of getting what you asked for rather than what you needed will
> teach you a

Re: Lenny version info

[Davide Mirtillo]

Il 15/12/2010 08:46, Dörfler Andreas ha scritto:
>  
>
> To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
> If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to you 
> that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed to 
> debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian. So I 
> used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security (although 
> if you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on debian-security that 
> did relate to security and one of my concerns was the version number of my 
> system). So what? The responses I've received from you make me feel like I've 
> committed a crime against humanity!
> 
> 
> dear ash,
> 
> well, isn't that a basic problem inside the web community?
> i see it nearly every day:
> 
> "use google"
> "use the search function"
> "my parents failed at breeding, and my education stopped since kindergarten"
> 
> ppl out there so damn bored about their daily life, they have nothing better 
> todo then to troll and flame others because of a "stupid question" (there are 
> no stupid questions (mostly), only stupid answers) - that way they can prove 
> their supreme intelligence (<- thats sarcasm, google wiki for it ... ).
> 
> i tell my "real life" friends to google for problems from time to time too, 
> but thats because they are just to lazy (mostly windows users ;-)).
> 
> i think it's ok to tell ppl to user google, but in the same time: tell them 
> the answer to their questions too.
> search engines are based on search tags, when someone searches with the 
> "wrong" words, it can take hours to find an answer.
> 
> maybe i will ask a "stupid apache question" this week, be ready for impact!

Please, stop crying about it. I hate people who do that. They're either
fundamentally lazy or just 13 years old kids who like to troll on the
internet.

I'll go ahead and explain to you why giving you an answer to such a
simple question has generated some harsh responses, by quoting one of
the most useful how-to that i've come across:
> 
> Before asking a technical question by e-mail, or in a newsgroup, or on a 
> website chat board, do the following:
> 
> 1.Try to find an answer by searching the archives of the forum you plan 
> to post to.
> 2.Try to find an answer by searching the Web.
> 3.Try to find an answer by reading the manual.
> 4.Try to find an answer by reading a FAQ.
> 5.Try to find an answer by inspection or experimentation.
> 6.Try to find an answer by asking a skilled friend.
> 7.If you're a programmer, try to find an answer by reading the source 
> code.
>  
> When you ask your question, display the fact that you have done these things 
> first; this will help establish that you're not being a lazy sponge and 
> wasting people's time. Better yet, display what you have learned from doing 
> these things. We like answering questions for people who have demonstrated 
> they can learn from the answers.
> 
> Use tactics like doing a Google search on the text of whatever error message 
> you get (searching Google groups as well as Web pages). This might well take 
> you straight to fix documentation or a mailing list thread answering your 
> question. Even if it doesn't, saying “I googled on the following phrase but 
> didn't get anything that looked promising” is a good thing to do in e-mail or 
> news postings requesting help, if only because it records what searches won't 
> help. It will also help to direct other people with similar problems to your 
> thread by linking the search terms to what will hopefully be your problem and 
> resolution thread.
> 
> Take your time. Do not expect to be able to solve a complicated problem with 
> a few seconds of Googling. Read and understand the FAQs, sit back, relax and 
> give the problem some thought before approaching experts. Trust us, they will 
> be able to tell from your questions how much reading and thinking you did, 
> and will be more willing to help if you come prepared. Don't instantly fire 
> your whole arsenal of questions just because your first search turned up no 
> answers (or too many).
>  
> Prepare your question. Think it through. Hasty-sounding questions get hasty 
> answers, or none at all. The more you do to demonstrate that having put 
> thought and effort into solving your problem before seeking help, the more 
> likely you are to actually get help.
>  
> Beware of asking the wrong question. If you ask one that is based on faulty 
> assumptions, J. Random Hacker is quite likely to reply with a uselessly 
> literal answer while thinking “Stupid question...”, and hoping the experience 
> of getting what you asked for rather than what you needed will teach you a 
> lesson.
>  
> Never assume you are entitled to an answer. You are not; you aren't, after 
> all, paying for the service. You will earn an answer, if you earn it, by 
> asking a substantial, interesting, and thought-provoking questio

RE: Lenny version info

[Dörfler Andreas]

 

To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to you 
that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed to 
debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian. So I 
used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security (although if 
you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on debian-security that did 
relate to security and one of my concerns was the version number of my system). 
So what? The responses I've received from you make me feel like I've committed 
a crime against humanity!


dear ash,

well, isn't that a basic problem inside the web community?
i see it nearly every day:

"use google"
"use the search function"
"my parents failed at breeding, and my education stopped since kindergarten"

ppl out there so damn bored about their daily life, they have nothing better 
todo then to troll and flame others because of a "stupid question" (there are 
no stupid questions (mostly), only stupid answers) - that way they can prove 
their supreme intelligence (<- thats sarcasm, google wiki for it ... ).

i tell my "real life" friends to google for problems from time to time too, but 
thats because they are just to lazy (mostly windows users ;-)).

i think it's ok to tell ppl to user google, but in the same time: tell them the 
answer to their questions too.
search engines are based on search tags, when someone searches with the "wrong" 
words, it can take hours to find an answer.

maybe i will ask a "stupid apache question" this week, be ready for impact!

greetings from the great old world,
andy


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Re: Re : Lenny version info

[Mike Mestnik]

Julien Patriarca wrote:
Maybe the all of that starting point was obviously out of the scope of 
this mailing list, but it seems to catch the interest of everyone 
seeing how many answers have been posted.
Just stop with all that rubbish and get back to the main topic : 
 security in Debian.



A good idea and I believe Matthias has a good point of discussion.


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De : "Matthias Faulstich" 
Date : mar., déc. 14, 2010 07:13
Objet : Lenny version info
Pour : 

Am Montag 13 Dezember 2010 schrieb Emanuele Petrucci :
> BTW here there are several methods,
>
> anyone giving you some information, some redundant:
>
> $ lsb_release -a
> $ cat /proc/version ; # this largely include "uname -a"
> $ cat /etc/debian_version

Hi everyone!

That's funny!

I'm running Debian testing (as configured in /etc/apt/sourced.list).
But
lsb_release -a
prints:

No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing-proposed-updates (sid)
Release:testing-proposed-updates
Codename:   sid

A great question.  Can the output of lsb_release be trusted?  Is it 
authoritative or secure?


It looks like the "Codename" is incorrect including that part of the 
"Description".  There are likely numinous explinations, sounds like a 
question for the release team.  It should not be uncommon for one 
question to involve multiple groups.


Sighting my original answer it seams as though it may simply return the 
status of at best a handful of packages that could have been be upgraded 
or downgraded, perhaps, independent of the rest of the system.


Regards
Matthias


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Re : Lenny version info

[Julien Patriarca]

Maybe the all of that starting point was obviously out of the scope of this 
mailing list, but it seems to catch the interest of everyone seeing how many 
answers have been posted.
Just stop with all that rubbish and get back to the main topic :  security in 
Debian. 

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De : "Matthias Faulstich" 
Date : mar., déc. 14, 2010 07:13
Objet : Lenny version info
Pour : 

Am Montag 13 Dezember 2010 schrieb Emanuele Petrucci :
> BTW here there are several methods,
> 
> anyone giving you some information, some redundant:
> 
> $ lsb_release -a
> $ cat /proc/version ; # this largely include "uname -a"
> $ cat /etc/debian_version

Hi everyone!

That's funny!

I'm running Debian testing (as configured in /etc/apt/sourced.list).
But
lsb_release -a
prints:

No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing-proposed-updates (sid)
Release:testing-proposed-updates
Codename:   sid


Regards
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Re: Lenny version info

[Matthias Faulstich]

Am Montag 13 Dezember 2010 schrieb Emanuele Petrucci :
> BTW here there are several methods,
> 
> anyone giving you some information, some redundant:
> 
> $ lsb_release -a
> $ cat /proc/version ; # this largely include "uname -a"
> $ cat /etc/debian_version

Hi everyone!

That's funny!

I'm running Debian testing (as configured in /etc/apt/sourced.list).
But
lsb_release -a
prints:

No LSB modules are available.
Distributor ID: Debian
Description:Debian GNU/Linux testing-proposed-updates (sid)
Release:testing-proposed-updates
Codename:   sid


Regards
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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 23:33, Andrew McGlashan
 wrote:
> Chris Wadge wrote:
>>>
>>> PS: I've solved my problem. Thanks to those that actually helped.
>
> Besides all the noise, the "version of Lenny" can be directly relevant to
> the security of the installation ... and therefore it could technically and
> possibly correctly (don't care for the debate on this though) be sent to
> debian-security list

Well, if that's the case, then so could "how do I logon and logoff my
debian system".

To each his/her own.  I'm still on the side of keeping Debian security
issues on debian-security@, and Debian user questions on
debian-us...@.   ymmv.

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Re: Lenny version info

[Steven James]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2010, Chris Wadge wrote:

Well, you have my apologies, for whatever that's worth. I hate seeing 
exchanges like this. In the time it takes to tell somebody to "Google it", 
one could have simply replied with the correct answer. It's also worth noting 
that while search engines sometimes seem magical, they're simply indexing 
lots of possible answers -- some correct, some not. This mailing list and 
others do get archived and indexed eventually, so adding correct answers to 
the mix will only improve Google's signal to noise ratio in the long run.


The ironic part is that sometimes I am unable to Google an answer to my 
questions because the first 3 pages of search results are all threads 
where someone asks my question, 10 people say just google it, and 
nobody actually answers.


G'day,
sjames



If anybody'd like to flame me for this email, that's fine. All I ask is that 
you do so to my personal email address and not to the list.


Best regards,
-Chris

On 12/13/2010 05:12 PM, Ash Narayanan wrote:

Wow, what has this thread turned into!?

It started off as a simple question that could have been answered with one 
of two possible replies, namely, the solution itself or a suggestion to 
move this query to a more appropriate mailing list. Thank you to all of you 
whose replies fell in either of these two categories.


To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to 
you that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed 
to debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian. 
So I used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security 
(although if you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on 
debian-security that did relate to security and one of my concerns was the 
version number of my system). So what? The responses I've received from you 
make me feel like I've committed a crime against humanity!


Can you imagine stepping in to a pet store with a question about your pets 
symptoms to be abused by the store attendant for not going to a vet 
instead?



Ash

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Re: Lenny version info

[Andrew McGlashan]

Chris Wadge wrote:

PS: I've solved my problem. Thanks to those that actually helped.


Besides all the noise, the "version of Lenny" can be directly relevant 
to the security of the installation ... and therefore it could 
technically and possibly correctly (don't care for the debate on this 
though) be sent to debian-security list


Was it not Lenny 5.0.7 as determined by cat /etc/debian_version amongst 
other [possible] methods, then there would be a security issue, but read 
on 


However, the debian-users remains the most likely best avenue for such a 
question; the next question is how to upgrade and make the installation 
secure if the version is not 5.0.7 .. again, a better question for 
debian-user list I would presume.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 22:50, Mike Mestnik  wrote:
> From what I can tell debian-security is listed under [2]User and not under
> [3]Developer lists, so it stands to reason that users should be encouraged
> to seek assistance from this list's members.
>
> 2. http://lists.debian.org/users.html

>From that page:

debian-security: Security in Debian


What part of "which version am I running" falls under "Security in Debian" ?

-Jim P.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Mike Mestnik]

Ash Narayanan wrote:

Wow, what has this thread turned into!?

It started off as a simple question that could have been answered with 
one of two possible replies, namely, the solution itself or a 
suggestion to move this query to a more appropriate mailing list. 
Thank you to all of you whose replies fell in either of these two 
categories.


To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur 
to you that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was 
directed to debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our 
servers uses debian. So I used it to ask a question that wasn't 
exactly related to security (although if you must know, it stemmed 
from another discussion on debian-security that did relate to security 
and one of my concerns was the version number of my system). So what? 
The responses I've received from you make me feel like I've committed 
a crime against humanity!


I did some Goolging of my own and it seams as though past conversations 
by users have been indexed in the [1]"Securing Debian Manual."


1. 
http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/securing-debian-howto/ch12.en.html#s12.1.10

*http://tinyurl.com/2328fxt

*This question and answer do have certain relevance to security, much of 
which might be better answered instead by "debsecan".  However the 
relevant security question(s) of "What version of Debian is this?" and 
perhaps even better is "Can I compare the version of box X and box Y 
and/or even determine how up-to-date a box is?"  Should be addressed if 
not by some FAQ or Wiki Article, but by a thread on this list.


I don't feel I'm able to do this, however I can say that I myself 
originally joined this list to discuss issues of storing and handling 
cryptographic material and since have gleaned only a small amount of 
insight.  I do feel that this list might have a handful of users that 
are confused about it's purpose, well actually I'd wager that there 
could even be multiple groups lobbying for control of the content of 
this list.


From what I can tell debian-security is listed under [2]User and not 
under [3]Developer lists, so it stands to reason that users should be 
encouraged to seek assistance from this list's members.


2. http://lists.debian.org/users.html
3. http://lists.debian.org/devel.html
Can you imagine stepping in to a pet store with a question about your 
pets symptoms to be abused by the store attendant for not going to a 
vet instead?



Ash

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Re: Lenny version info

[Chris Wadge]

Well, you have my apologies, for whatever that's worth. I hate seeing 
exchanges like this. In the time it takes to tell somebody to "Google 
it", one could have simply replied with the correct answer. It's also 
worth noting that while search engines sometimes seem magical, they're 
simply indexing lots of possible answers -- some correct, some not. This 
mailing list and others do get archived and indexed eventually, so 
adding correct answers to the mix will only improve Google's signal to 
noise ratio in the long run.


If anybody'd like to flame me for this email, that's fine. All I ask is 
that you do so to my personal email address and not to the list.


Best regards,
-Chris

On 12/13/2010 05:12 PM, Ash Narayanan wrote:

Wow, what has this thread turned into!?

It started off as a simple question that could have been answered with 
one of two possible replies, namely, the solution itself or a 
suggestion to move this query to a more appropriate mailing list. 
Thank you to all of you whose replies fell in either of these two 
categories.


To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur 
to you that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was 
directed to debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our 
servers uses debian. So I used it to ask a question that wasn't 
exactly related to security (although if you must know, it stemmed 
from another discussion on debian-security that did relate to security 
and one of my concerns was the version number of my system). So what? 
The responses I've received from you make me feel like I've committed 
a crime against humanity!


Can you imagine stepping in to a pet store with a question about your 
pets symptoms to be abused by the store attendant for not going to a 
vet instead?



Ash

PS: I've solved my problem. Thanks to those that actually helped.



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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 20:12, Ash Narayanan  wrote:
> Can you imagine stepping in to a pet *security* store with a question about 
> your
> pets *health* symptoms to be abused by the store attendant for not going to a
> vet instead?

^ There, I fixed it for you.

-Jim P.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Ash Narayanan]

Wow, what has this thread turned into!?

It started off as a simple question that could have been answered with one
of two possible replies, namely, the solution itself or a suggestion to move
this query to a more appropriate mailing list. Thank you to all of you whose
replies fell in either of these two categories.

To the rest of youwhat is wrong with you?
If you don't want to help, don't. Stop wasting time. Did it ever ocur to you
that not everyone out there likes using a search engine? I was directed to
debian-security by an ex-colleague since one of our servers uses debian. So
I used it to ask a question that wasn't exactly related to security
(although if you must know, it stemmed from another discussion on
debian-security that did relate to security and one of my concerns was the
version number of my system). So what? The responses I've received from you
make me feel like I've committed a crime against humanity!

Can you imagine stepping in to a pet store with a question about your pets
symptoms to be abused by the store attendant for not going to a vet instead?


Ash

PS: I've solved my problem. Thanks to those that actually helped.

Re: Lenny version info

[Mike Mestnik]

Ashvin Narayanan wrote:

This probably isn't the best place to ask but I couldn't find a better one.
How do I obtain information about my Lenny installation? Is there a
command that tells me the version number?


Thanks,
Ash



  

http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-software.en.html#s-isitdebian
http://tinyurl.com/3382gah

This is one result returned by Google.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Emanuele Petrucci]

BTW here there are several methods,

anyone giving you some information, some redundant:

$ lsb_release -a
$ cat /proc/version ; # this largely include "uname -a"
$ cat /etc/debian_version





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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 12:14 PM, Jim Popovitch  wrote:

> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 02:18, Andrew McGlashan
>  wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> >> Naturally, I assume you would do a google first!!! Just think, in a few
> >> years time if someone googles your name, will they think you
> >> ignorant/lazy and not able to use a search engine?
> >
> > I don't understand why everyone thinks a personal attack is in order
> > here???
>
> I don't see that as a personal attack, it was a question not a
> statement.  Consider that some people actually believe the best course
> of education is to teach a person to fish for themselves.
>
> -Jim P.
>
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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 02:18, Andrew McGlashan
 wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Chris Bannister wrote:
>> Naturally, I assume you would do a google first!!! Just think, in a few
>> years time if someone googles your name, will they think you
>> ignorant/lazy and not able to use a search engine?
>
> I don't understand why everyone thinks a personal attack is in order
> here???

I don't see that as a personal attack, it was a question not a
statement.  Consider that some people actually believe the best course
of education is to teach a person to fish for themselves.

-Jim P.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Andrew McGlashan]

Anh K. Huynh wrote:

You may try "cat /etc/debian_version"


Thank you, I'm sure that perfectly answers the OP's question exactly and 
very clearly.


Cheers
A.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Anh K. Huynh]

On Mon, 13 Dec 2010 18:18:25 +1100
Andrew McGlashan  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:05:45PM +1030, Ashvin Narayanan wrote:
> >> Thanks Jim/Michael for taking time to show me how to use Google
> >> instead of simply pointing me to debian-users.
> > 
> > Naturally, I assume you would do a google first!!! Just think, in
> > a few years time if someone googles your name, will they think you
> > ignorant/lazy and not able to use a search engine?
> 
> I don't understand why everyone thinks a personal attack is in
> order here???
> 
> The following from one of my own fully updated Debian servers is as
> follows: # cat /etc/issue
>  Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l
> 
> That doesn't tell me a great deal in itself -- should it also say 
> "Lenny" ?   I think it should, but I don't make those decisions; it 
> certainly is debatable.

You may try "cat /etc/debian_version"

> 
> The latest stable release today is 5.0.7 ... but that is the whole 
> distro, not just "which Linux do I have".
> 
> What version of Linux  well, the only simple answer is, see
> your kernel version from:
> # cat /proc/version
> 
> Most of us know, fwiw, that Linux is just the kernel, with the
> distro counting for much more overall.  The file /etc/issue may not
> exist on all Linux distros either.
> 
> Of course there are other methods / tools and even further
> questions, I'm sure.
> 
> Perhaps a look at /etc/apt/sources.list would be in order too, for
> some more answers.  And being a Debian distro, some reading of man
> pages for dpkg as well.
> 
> And yes, the query should have been sent to debian-users, but that 
> doesn't mean a personal attack is warranted, does it?  Do you want
> to drive Debian users away or encourage them to stay?
> 
> Google has many answers, and some might be better searching:
> http://google.com/linux
> 
> However, Google doesn't have all the answers, a polite response may
> have been a better outcome in this case and other somewhat
> considered "trivial" cases -- it was good enough to spend the time
> attacking a person, but not good enough to help with a real
> answer?  Sure, some questions are "too trivial and seem to be noise
> for noise sake", so just ignore them and let the person asking such
> questions consider again how to ask a "good" question or do some of
> their own "ground work" first.
> 
> Whilst searching Google will give many answers, sometimes the
> answer simply lies within the machine in question itself and maybe
> even it's own dedicated mailing list users whom would like to
> "help" and promote their disto of choice, rather than dampen the
> spirits of an enquirer.
> 
> As we say in AU, "Fair go."
> 


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Re: Lenny version info

[Andrew McGlashan]

Hi,

Chris Bannister wrote:

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:05:45PM +1030, Ashvin Narayanan wrote:

Thanks Jim/Michael for taking time to show me how to use Google instead of
simply pointing me to debian-users.


Naturally, I assume you would do a google first!!! Just think, in a few
years time if someone googles your name, will they think you
ignorant/lazy and not able to use a search engine?


I don't understand why everyone thinks a personal attack is in order 
here???


The following from one of my own fully updated Debian servers is as follows:
# cat /etc/issue
Debian GNU/Linux 5.0 \n \l

That doesn't tell me a great deal in itself -- should it also say 
"Lenny" ?   I think it should, but I don't make those decisions; it 
certainly is debatable.


The latest stable release today is 5.0.7 ... but that is the whole 
distro, not just "which Linux do I have".


What version of Linux  well, the only simple answer is, see your 
kernel version from:

   # cat /proc/version

Most of us know, fwiw, that Linux is just the kernel, with the distro 
counting for much more overall.  The file /etc/issue may not exist on 
all Linux distros either.


Of course there are other methods / tools and even further questions, 
I'm sure.


Perhaps a look at /etc/apt/sources.list would be in order too, for some 
more answers.  And being a Debian distro, some reading of man pages for 
dpkg as well.


And yes, the query should have been sent to debian-users, but that 
doesn't mean a personal attack is warranted, does it?  Do you want to 
drive Debian users away or encourage them to stay?


Google has many answers, and some might be better searching:
   http://google.com/linux

However, Google doesn't have all the answers, a polite response may have 
been a better outcome in this case and other somewhat considered 
"trivial" cases -- it was good enough to spend the time attacking a 
person, but not good enough to help with a real answer?  Sure, some 
questions are "too trivial and seem to be noise for noise sake", so just 
ignore them and let the person asking such questions consider again how 
to ask a "good" question or do some of their own "ground work" first.


Whilst searching Google will give many answers, sometimes the answer 
simply lies within the machine in question itself and maybe even it's 
own dedicated mailing list users whom would like to "help" and promote 
their disto of choice, rather than dampen the spirits of an enquirer.


As we say in AU, "Fair go."

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Re: Lenny version info

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On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 03:05:45PM +1030, Ashvin Narayanan wrote:
> Thanks Chris. Now that I know about debian-users, I'll be using that for
> generic questions such as this.
> 
> Thanks Jim/Michael for taking time to show me how to use Google instead of
> simply pointing me to debian-users.

Naturally, I assume you would do a google first!!! Just think, in a few
years time if someone googles your name, will they think you
ignorant/lazy and not able to use a search engine?

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Re: Lenny version info

[Ashvin Narayanan]

Thanks Chris. Now that I know about debian-users, I'll be using that for
generic questions such as this.

Thanks Jim/Michael for taking time to show me how to use Google instead of
simply pointing me to debian-users.

Ash


On Mon, December 13, 2010 2:08 pm, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 10:59:23AM +1030, Ashvin Narayanan wrote:
>> This probably isn't the best place to ask but I couldn't find a better
>> one.
>
> What about debian-user?
> debian-security is for the discussion/announcement of securiy issues
> affecting Debian.
>
>> How do I obtain information about my Lenny installation? Is there a
>> command that tells me the version number?
>
> less /etc/debian_version is one way, I think the lsb-release package(s)
> also can help.
>
> Obviously, your machine would have had to have been fully up to date for
> the information to have any meaning.
>
> --
> "Religion is excellent stuff for keeping common people quiet."
>-- Napoleon Bonaparte
>


On Mon, December 13, 2010 1:14 pm, Jim Popovitch wrote:
> On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 21:38, Michael Cassano  wrote:
>> No, this is not the right place to ask.  A better place is Google, for
>> instance.
>>
>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how%20do%20I%20tell%20what%20version%20of%20debian%20I%20am%20running&btnG=Search
>
> Oh, come on.  We can do better than that.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/2vbtw7b
>
>
> :-)
>
> -Jim P.
>



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Re: Lenny version info

[Jim Popovitch]

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 21:38, Michael Cassano  wrote:
> No, this is not the right place to ask.  A better place is Google, for
> instance.
>
> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how%20do%20I%20tell%20what%20version%20of%20debian%20I%20am%20running&btnG=Search

Oh, come on.  We can do better than that.

http://tinyurl.com/2vbtw7b


:-)

-Jim P.


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Re: Lenny version info

[Michael Cassano]

No, this is not the right place to ask.  A better place is Google, for
instance.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=how%20do%20I%20tell%20what%20version%20of%20debian%20I%20am%20running&btnG=Search

On Sun, Dec 12, 2010 at 6:29 PM, Ashvin Narayanan <
ash...@haeseandharris.com.au> wrote:

> This probably isn't the best place to ask but I couldn't find a better one.
> How do I obtain information about my Lenny installation? Is there a
> command that tells me the version number?
>
>
> Thanks,
> Ash
>
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