What about: Debian cuts platform support
Hi all. I think that you know: http://uk.builder.com/0,39026540,39291969,00.htm It isn't the first time that I read news like this and I try to understand exatly what daes mean. Cheers Antonio -- #+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+# Antonio Madesani [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] #+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+#+--+# -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X on Ultra 10 (afbinit, XFre86)
Hi, I too have a U10 with Elite3D. I am running 2.6.12 with xorg 6.8 on it (runs at 1280x1024). I specified my resolution in my xorg conf and haven't tried any other resolutions. It just always worked. My guess is that if changing your xorg.conf doesn't work you will need to find a way to change it directly on the framebuffer with fbset or the likes. And if that doesn't work, eh, maybe you will be able to set it in openboot with setenv or something? I'm guessing here,sorry... Further... A little of topic but i otherwise I would need to start a new tread on this... You mention you run kde. What version? Everyting after 3.3 (various 3.4 versions) just crashes on my U10... And the thing is I like kde :( ... Thanks, Vincent On Friday 06 January 2006 04:40 am, Tomo Popovic wrote: This is what I did and it enabled X to work (both Gnome and KDE). I still have a problem that it sticks with 1152x900 resolution although I configured it for 1024x768 using: dpkg-reconfigure XF... Steps to make X working on my Ultra 10 with Elite 3D: 1a) Download afbinit package from: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/a/afbinit/afbinit_1.0-1_sparc.deb 1b) Install it with follwoing command: dpkg -i afbinit_1.0-1_sparc.deb 2a) Download 106144-28.zip patch file from Sun's website and extract only abf.ucode file from it. 2b) Place the abf.ucode file into /usr/lib folder. The /etc/init.d/afbinit file installed from the package worked without any modifications (great!). I still need help with how to make it 1024x768. Any ideas? Thanks, Tomo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: What about: Debian cuts platform support
On Saturday 07 January 2006 11:46, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It isn't the first time that I read news like this and I try to understand exatly what daes mean. That summary is an overstatement of what's happening. The exclusion means that those archs will not be included in the official release, or rather that problems with them will not be allowed to hold up the release process for other architectures. It does not mean that those architectures will be dropped completely from Debian. What will happen in the long term remains to be seen. There is a very simple solution though: more active involvement from people who care in those ports [1], especially in resolving kernel and porting issues and maintenance of architecture specific software (like bootloaders). Cheers, FJP [1] Although that is unlikely to solve the issues for m68k as the basic problem there is speed of the build daemons. pgpttBHgPOJRW.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: What about: Debian cuts platform support
Hi, Today, one hour, 3 minutes, 58 seconds ago, Frans Pop wrote: What will happen in the long term remains to be seen. There is a very simple solution though: more active involvement from people who care in those ports [1], especially in resolving kernel and porting issues and maintenance of architecture specific software (like bootloaders). In fact, I'm under the impression that those architectures being dropped are not backed by any company-funded contributor. For instance, while the x86_64, x86, or even PPC ports benefit from contributions by a number of people getting paid to work on that (be it as kernel developers, toolchain hackers, etc.), it seems that ports to elderly arches like sparc32 and m68k will now only ever evolve thanks to the involvement of a bunch of individuals working on their spare time. Unless I'm mistaken, that would (partly at least) explain why those ports did not satisfy the requalification criteria in the first place. On the longer term, that would suggest that these ports will hardly ever be able to catch up with mainstream ports, due to the difference in nature of the contributions they receive and to their relatively slow pace. [1] Although that is unlikely to solve the issues for m68k as the basic problem there is speed of the build daemons. Right, and that gap is going to continue to grow between those elderly arches (sparc32, m68k) and the mainstream arches... Thanks, Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
Hi, I'm having troubles with the netboot images on an SS20. Basically, none of those that I've tried seem to detect at boot time the SCSI hard drive that's in the machine (a look at the output of `dmesg' makes me think so), although a `probe-scsi' at the OB prompt does show it. I tried pretty much all of the netboot images available on the FTP server, both stable and unstable, 2.6 and 2.4, etc. Any hint? Thanks, Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
On Saturday 07 January 2006 16:29, Ludovic Courtès wrote: I'm having troubles with the netboot images on an SS20. Basically, none of those that I've tried seem to detect at boot time the SCSI hard drive that's in the machine (a look at the output of `dmesg' makes me think so), although a `probe-scsi' at the OB prompt does show it. During the installation hard disks are not necessarily detected at boot time, but may be detected later during the different hardware detection phases. Some basic questions: - is the scsi controller on pci or sbus - if on pci, what is the output from 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' - if on sbus, what is the output of prtconf - what kernel driver module is needed for the scsi controller - does the scsi disk get recognized if you modprobe that module manually pgp3xiIPQyPUm.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
Hi. The SS20 is the latest 32bit Sparc workstation - max. 2 CPU modules, up to 4 CPUs. No PCI, it's SBUS based. On Saturday 07 January 2006 16:44, Frans Pop wrote: On Saturday 07 January 2006 16:29, Ludovic Courtès wrote: I'm having troubles with the netboot images on an SS20. Basically, none of those that I've tried seem to detect at boot time the SCSI hard drive that's in the machine (a look at the output of `dmesg' makes me think so), although a `probe-scsi' at the OB prompt does show it. During the installation hard disks are not necessarily detected at boot time, but may be detected later during the different hardware detection phases. Some basic questions: - is the scsi controller on pci or sbus - if on pci, what is the output from 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' - if on sbus, what is the output of prtconf - what kernel driver module is needed for the scsi controller - does the scsi disk get recognized if you modprobe that module manually Up to now, I did all my SS20 installations via external SCSI CDROM. I recently bougth an SS20 with two 150 MHz CPUs. I did not install Debian yet. Still on my to-do-list. If you still have trouble: which bootimage (URL)? I can try to check it for you. I have a local netboot-server which works fine with Sun Ultra and SGI Indy. I think I'll be able to add Sun32 support. Regards, Hartwig -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
Today, one hour, 12 minutes, 49 seconds ago, Frans Pop wrote: During the installation hard disks are not necessarily detected at boot time, but may be detected later during the different hardware detection phases. Ok, I guess I was too impatient. ;-) It turns out that I needed the `esp' module. The drive is a Conner CFP1080E on SBus. The installation is on its way now. Thanks for your quick answer! Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
Am Samstag, 7. Januar 2006 16:44 schrieb Frans Pop: On Saturday 07 January 2006 16:29, Ludovic Courtès wrote: I'm having troubles with the netboot images on an SS20. Basically, none of those that I've tried seem to detect at boot time the SCSI hard drive that's in the machine (a look at the output of `dmesg' makes me think so), although a `probe-scsi' at the OB prompt does show it. Try the following: Alt+F2 Enter modprobe the module for the controlle (IRRC it's called esp). During the installation hard disks are not necessarily detected at boot time, but may be detected later during the different hardware detection phases. Some basic questions: - is the scsi controller on pci or sbus - if on pci, what is the output from 'lspci' and 'lspci -n' The SS20 has not PCI bus, only SBUS. - if on sbus, what is the output of prtconf - what kernel driver module is needed for the scsi controller - does the scsi disk get recognized if you modprobe that module manually That's probably because the controller is not detected. HS
Re: SS20, netboot, and SCSI drive detection
Today, 34 minutes, 3 seconds ago, Hartwig Atrops wrote: If you still have trouble: which bootimage (URL)? I can try to check it for you. I'm using the latest and greatest installer, with a 2.4 kernel though: ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/installer-sparc/20051026/images/sparc32/netboot/boot.img MD5: da03e8b5b6a1bfd577a29aef14d26dd4 The installation is not over yet but it seems to be working well, except that it did not automatically find out which driver to use for the Ethernet card (`sunlance'), nor for the hard drive (`esp'). Thanks, Ludovic. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cyrillic X keyboard layout
Hello, fellows. Booted up old sparc laid around with debian stable. Works fine, so far, but the cyrillic input in XFree86. If I do it by book, by putting Section InputDevice Identifier Generic Keyboard Driver keyboard Option CoreKeyboard Option XkbRules sun Option XkbModel type5 Option XkbLayout us,ru,uk Option XkbOptions EndSection in the /etc/X11/XFree86-4, my keyboard simply refuses to operate: looks like completely wrong xkb rules or model are loaded, since it produces anything, but the pressed key. What I'm doing wrong? How can I check that correct rules are loading? Thanks in advance. -- Andrey V Khavryuchenkohttp://www.kds.com.ua/ Silver Bullet Software Solutions http://www.livejournal.com/~akhavr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cyrillic X keyboard layout
On Saturday 07 January 2006 18:09, Andrey Khavryuchenko wrote: in the /etc/X11/XFree86-4, my keyboard simply refuses to operate: looks like completely wrong xkb rules or model are loaded, since it produces anything, but the pressed key. What I'm doing wrong? How can I check that correct rules are loading? What kernel version are you running? If it is 2.6, you should _not_ use the sun keyboard rules, but the standard xfree86 (or xorg). See for further information: http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-upgrade-to-2.6 pgpLPu3HLlNqO.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: cyrillic X keyboard layout
Frans, FP == Frans Pop wrote: FP On Saturday 07 January 2006 18:09, Andrey Khavryuchenko wrote: What I'm doing wrong? How can I check that correct rules are loading? FP What kernel version are you running? If it is 2.6, you should _not_ use FP the sun keyboard rules, but the standard xfree86 (or xorg). No, I went for standard 2.4: $ ssh baby uname -a Linux baby 2.4.27-2-sparc32-smp #1 SMP Mon Aug 22 14:41:42 UTC 2005 sparc GNU/Linux FP See for further information: FP http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/release-notes/ch-information.en.html#s-upgrade-to-2.6 I guess, this doesnt apply to my situation. -- Andrey V Khavryuchenkohttp://www.kds.com.ua/ Silver Bullet Software Solutions http://www.livejournal.com/~akhavr -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: X on Ultra 10 w/Elite 3D (afbinit, XFre86)
I think someone new to Linux on Sun might have use of this. I will try to summrize what I did to make X working on my U10 w/ Elite 3D: 1a) Download afbinit package from: http://ftp.debian.org/debian/pool/contrib/a/afbinit/afbinit_1.0-1_sparc.deb 1b) Install it with follwoing command: dpkg -i afbinit_1.0-1_sparc.deb 2a) Download 106144-28.zip patch file from Sun's website and extract only abf.ucode file from it. 2b) Place the abf.ucode file into /usr/lib folder. 3) Setting up the resolution. I was locked into 1152x900 regardless of what I set in XF86Config-4. I later that OPB command can be used to change the defaut resolution. During the boot press Stop-A to get the OK prompt, then type: setenv output-device screen:r1024x768x70 NOTE: I used autopartitoning with option that all partitions are together mountet as /. When I tried multiuser partitioning scheme, the above installation did not work. I speculate that afbinit cannot find /usr/lib/afb.ucode doring the booting. I did not troubleshoot this, I simply reinstalled everything under one partition /. And it works again. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Re: X on Ultra 10 (afbinit, XFre86)
Thanks for the note about changing the resolution in openboot. It helped. As for KDE, I am talking about 3.3.1 that came with the install. My next isue is sound card that is not working. --- My guess is that if changing your xorg.conf doesn't work you will need to find a way to change it directly on the framebuffer with fbset or the likes. And if that doesn't work, eh, maybe you will be able to set it in openboot with setenv or something? I'm guessing here,sorry... Further... A little of topic but i otherwise I would need to start a new tread on this... You mention you run kde. What version? Everyting after 3.3 (various 3.4 versions) just crashes on my U10... And the thing is I like kde :( ... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
