Re: [bli@cybercable.net.mx: http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/porting]
On Sun, Jun 17, 2001 at 05:45:30PM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote: > Hi, > > Who maintains the SPARC port web pages? Or, who would like to do that? I set them up originally (I think) but I no longer have access to a sparc, so I'm no longer the Right Person For The Job(tm). Jules
Re: your mail
On Tue, 27 Jul 1999, Jules Bean wrote: [nothing] Just ignore me while I cringe in embarassment, having wasted all your bandwidth :-( /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: your mail
Re: www.debian.org/ports/sparc updated
Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > I've updated http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/>. My changes > (WML) might take a few days to push out into the web mirrors. > > Still to do is to finish filling in the porting notes and instructions > (once I figure those out). More significantly, the slink errata page > is yet to be done. > > Jules, I hope I didn't step on your toes. I just got inspired and > went ahead and did it. Of course not. I've been too swamped too keep up with Debian lists for a while :-( Hopefully rectifying that situation as I type this. Jules -- /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: sparc porting and wanna-build
On 27 Mar 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Can anyone brief my on how we're coordinating the sparc porting effort? > > What do people think of putting up a wanna-build buildd for Debian/sparc? I set one up for testing, but I never really got it going, since that machine wasn't 'really' on the net. It worked, though. How we're coordinating? Ad hoc, is the answer. Christian Meder was doing most of the stuff when I first came along - more recently, Steve Dunham has been doing many of the compiles. I think a wanna-build buildd set-up would be a good idea, personally. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Thanks: X works as root, not as user
On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, Daniel Brosemer wrote: > > Thanks to all who replied with the /dev/fb0 permissions suggestions, I was > able to get X working by fixing these permissions. > > There were suggestions that this should be included in a FAQ. I thought > for the sake of reference I should mention that the first place I looked > was the release-notes at > http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/sparc/release-notes/index perhaps > this info belongs in there? Is the maintainer of these notes subscribed? I'm the maintainer of /ports/sparc, and I plan to consolidate the various slink install comments and put them there shortly. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
slink CD sparc - testing success
Phew! Us sludgy cam-abouts have at last got all the CDs to the right places.. And I have at last tried out some sparc CDs, burnt by matthew I think, and they boot fine on my sparc 2. Are there any tests I can do which don't involve nuking my system? Since I can't simultaneously have both my hard-disks, and my CD, on the machine at once, I can't easily do a reinstall in full.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Some problems after running dselect
On 7 Mar 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > "Sascha" == Sascha Strauß <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Sascha> 1) I can´t find the XF86Config file in /etc/X11 to install > Sascha> my X-Window. But I´ve got a linked File named XF86Config > Sascha> in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11. After ls -al Debian shows me: > Sascha> lrwxrwxrwx ... /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/XF86Config -> > Sascha> /etc/X11/XF86Config > > You probably want one of the xserver-xsun* packages. See the > descriptions of these packages. These packages don't use XF86Config, > since they don't really need a config file at all (isn't sparc > hardware grand?) > > Sascha> (Where can I find a good help how to > Sascha> install the right XServer, Window-Manager etc) > > Well, theoretically, http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ -- I must say, > those pages aren't very "information rich" for users. That's my fault. Any deserved flames about the web pages to me. Even better, information you'd like to see there :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Missing from sparc
On Wed, 3 Mar 1999, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Package: econfigedit > libgtk-imlib-perl(>= 0.3-3) You can certainly ditch that. It's more-or-less useless, anyhow. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Console switching
On Thu, 25 Feb 1999, Jake Griesbach wrote: > Hi, > > I seem to have found a bug in switching between virtual consoles. The > first time xdm starts, console switching works great. I can switch > between text and graphics consoles without any problems. The same holds > after I log in using xdm. However, after I exit my session and xdm > restarts, I cannot switch consoles anymore. Attempting to switch consoles > only results in the cursor disappearing (I can get it back by moving the > mouse). Has anyone else seen this problem? Is there a fix? > > If I quit xdm and restart it by running /etc/init.d/xdm restart > console switching works again. Possibly a gpm problem. If you quit or dpkg --remove gpm (quit it with /etc/init.d/gpm stop, or gpm -k), can you still replicate the problem? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: something wierd about silo source in debian archive
On 25 Feb 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > Can someone fix this? Maybe we need to submit a bug against > ftp.debian.org or something. I have just done exactly that. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: partitions for sun sparc 10
On Tue, 23 Feb 1999, Armin Wegner wrote: > I would like to install debian on a sun sparc 10 with 64 megs and > 4 gigs of disk space. > How many partitions can I create? Are there primary and extended partitions? > There are following partitions on the system now. > > /root 128.25 MB > /swap 128.25 MB > /var 128.25 MB > /opt 128.25 MB > /usr 128.25 MB > /usr/local1.13 GB > /home 2.26 GB > > Can you give me some hints, please? OK. Hints: I don't use /opt, so I'd dump that. You may not want to. /var is good. / is good. swap is good. I'd be inclined to make /usr bigger. Bear in mind that with debian, you're using the package manager to install lots of stuff in /usr, so you want a big /usr. 300 is nice. 500 will be roomy. /home and /usr/local are entirely up to how you plan to use the machine. Most compile-it-yourself programs are inclined to install into /usr/local. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: sunmouse, eject-floppy, booting
On Mon, 22 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > PS. Any clues about how to get X to work? Can anyone e-mail me an > example XF86Config or tell me how to find out what video card I have? > It's a SPARCstation 2. There's another one with a different video card > that I could swap, if necessary ... No config necessary. Just install the xserver-xsun package. You will have a cgthree, or a cgsix (possibly accelerated). I believe that's all SS2s ever have. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Web Pages
OK. I have at last made some changes to the web pages (which you won't see for a day or two, while they propogate). I've basically stripped out a lot of broken links, and things which were no longer true. What other information do we want: Any libc info that should go there? What kernel versions are we recommending for slink? I've wopped out the problems page - I must admit, I haven't been using my sparc as much recently, but I think all the problems which were there are now fixed. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Missing Sparc packages in the last packages
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999, Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote: > > Seriouslsy, what package which Provides: www-browser (chimera2 does not, does > anyone know why?) could be installed in the basic installation? It has to be > something usable, not an experimental toy. (chimera2 says 'This is an > alpha-test version'.) I have given this issue some serious thought, and experimentation. IIRC, amaya, arena and chimera all work fairly well on non-frames sites. I think one of them even managed slashdot (I can't remember which). I almost got as far as a) starting to work for mnemonic or express or b) starting my own browser (as James has :-), when a friend of mine expressed the opinion that mozilla is actually jolly good, and will be with us shortly. So, I put the whole worry on hold, pending a reasonably stable functional DFSG-free mozilla either appearing, or becoming clearly vapourware. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: slink release (and status discussion)
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999, Christian Meder wrote: > > - sparc webpage on www.debian.org > > Jules could you update the sparc specific webpage. The problems with > bash, X and signal stuff are fixed quite a while now. Yes. Dammit. Sorry, I have been busy with (for example) Differential Manifolds :-) Happens to the best of us, I fear. Web-pages tomorrow, I promise. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Missing Sparc packages in the last packages
On 16 Feb 1999, James Troup wrote: > Stephane Bortzmeyer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Mozilla does not appear. This is a serious problem because it is the > > only graphical Web browser in "main". > > Que? What do you think arena, chimera2, gzilla and w3+xemacs are? And amaya, although I don't know if we have that for sparc (haven't checked). Amaya has the distinction of doing frames. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Gnome 0.99.4 packages
On 12 Feb 1999, Steve Dunham wrote: > > I've built some Gnome 0.99.4 packages from the stuff in potato. Steve you're a legend! > > There a few minor problems with it - the gnome-terminal doesn't work > (it can't get a pty for some reason - this will also break gnome-apt) > and the "gnomecc" program dies whenever you exit from a capplet (but > the changes do take effect anyways). Yeah. The pty stuff will be glibc2.1 probs, I expect, since the pty handling changed. > > The version of balsa in slink is made for a different version of gtk, > so I left it out. (The MDI stuff and a few other things are > different.) > > Same story for the gnome-games (the ones in slink are ancient and > won't compile against the new libgtk). Yup. These are all out-of-date, and will no longer compile. > > The panel and gnumeric seem to work well, as does the "thin-ice" theme > (try it out, gnumeric looks really nice with the thin-ice theme). The marble3d theme is even better - I'll post an intent-to-package shortly. Anyone who doesn't mind an unsigned deb with no description in its control file can get it from www.debian.org/~jules (its arch: all). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Intent to package: rarpd and libnet-dev
rarpd is a program which *BSD has had since the year dot, but which is new to Linux. This version is by Derrick Brashear, and is under the CMU copyright - which I just brought up on debian-legal, and we hold the view that it is irritatingly phrased, but DFSG-free. (For a copy, go install snmp ;) libnet is a library which abstracts low-level network APIs, making low-level network programming simple. libnet is under the BSD with advertising clause removed license. Currently libnet is only a static library, so I will produce only a libnet-dev package. When it becomes a dynamic library, I will produce a libnet0 package as well. rarpd will greatly enhance our ability to netboot our SUN-based machines (-sparc, and the -m68k ones if we support those). Therefore it would be nice to have it in slink, although not essential. If not in slink, would it be OK for the install notes to mention it anyway? They are both already locally packaged, although not yet lintian free. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: NIS and gdbm
On Sat, 30 Jan 1999, Stephan Wiehr wrote: > Hi! > > Anybody who got NIS working? > I tried to setup a Sparc1/Debian-Linux as NIS client (version 3.3.1-1) with > a Sparc2/SunOS4.1.3 as NIS server and it just wouldn't work, other > SunOS4.1.3 clients work fine. > > Trying to recompile NIS from the potato-sources resulted in this: > > checking for gdbm_open in -lgdbm... no > checking for dbm_open... no > You need the GNU GDBM library or NDBM support for this package ! > > gdbm is definitely installed, Version 1.7.3-26 > Anyway I tried to recompile gdbm. Result: Are you sure libgdbm-dev is installed? /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: 2.1.125 source in slink - why?
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 05:34:15PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > > > > > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 04:28:54PM +, Jules Bean wrote: > > > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > > > > > > > > dists/slink/main/binary-all/kernel-source-2.1.125 > > > > > > > > > > why?? and 2.0.33, 2.0.34, 2.0.35 > > > > > > > > > > 2.0.36 I can understand :-) > > > > > > > > 2.1.125 - because we needed it for sparc, so we uploaded the source. > > > > > > powerpc, actually. I take full responsibility. It's going to go away > > > shortly, assuming 2.2.0 powerpc packages work OK. > > > > > > Dan > > > > If you're doing the kernel source upload, how would you feel about > > including the sparc patches? You can get them from the davem directory, > > and we need a patched 2.2 in slink for sparc, since it fixes a serious bug > > for cgsixes.. > > I won't be doing the upload, actually. I believe Johnie Ingram did... > > Dan Cancel the request, in any case.. Apparently, the sparc patches aren't mergeable :-( Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: 2.1.125 source in slink - why?
On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote: > On Fri, Jan 29, 1999 at 04:28:54PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > On Fri, 29 Jan 1999, Adrian Bridgett wrote: > > > > > dists/slink/main/binary-all/kernel-source-2.1.125 > > > > > > why?? and 2.0.33, 2.0.34, 2.0.35 > > > > > > 2.0.36 I can understand :-) > > > > 2.1.125 - because we needed it for sparc, so we uploaded the source. > > powerpc, actually. I take full responsibility. It's going to go away > shortly, assuming 2.2.0 powerpc packages work OK. > > Dan If you're doing the kernel source upload, how would you feel about including the sparc patches? You can get them from the davem directory, and we need a patched 2.2 in slink for sparc, since it fixes a serious bug for cgsixes.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: worrying about sparc/alpha boot floppies
On 29 Jan 1999, Adam Di Carlo wrote: > > I'm a little worried that we don't have up-to-date boot-floppies for > Alpha and Sparc. Is there a plan to release these platforms a little > later than the x86 (and m68k?) release date? Eric Delaunay (sp?) is working on sparc boot-floppies. We hope to release. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Compiling perl 5.004_04 for sparc/slink
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Joel Klecker wrote: > At 23:21 + 1999-01-26, Jules Bean wrote: > >I also need the DB_File extension to work. Unfortunately, Perl won't build > >the DB_File extension against Berkeley DB version 2, only Berkeley DB > >version 1 - and AFAICS, we don't have a libc6 dev-package of Berkeley DB > >version 1. > > /usr/include/db1 and /lib/libdb1.so.2 Thanks. Christian suggested I hack the perl configure stuff to use the db_185.h header file. Can you comment on the differences between db_185.h and /usr/include/db1/db.h? They are certainly very different... What do you use to compile perl for powerpc? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: New perl
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > I have compiled a new perl, which incorporates both DB_File and GDBM_File > support for sparc. > Only now it fails on the tests. Specifically, if anyone cares, it fails on db-btree.t 32,42,65 db-hash.t 27 I don't care very much about 32,42,27 (they all test the ability to work with records with an empty string as the key). However, 65 seems to be more serious. In any case, I'm commenting them out here to make the package build - I need it. Christian - how did you get round this? Did you comment them out, or did you find a fix? jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
New perl
I have compiled a new perl, which incorporates both DB_File and GDBM_File support for sparc. To do this, I have had to make two changes to the source. 1) I have had to apply the patch in bug # 2) I have had to make the changes suggested by Christian Meder to make perl find the 1.85 compatibility header for db. I think we should have this version of perl in slink. I could upload it as version 5.004.04-6, without source. I can't upload it with source, since the changes I've made to 'Configure' to incorporate the compatibility header for db will probably break on i386 systems. And I'm not happy about releasing sparc/slink with a perl which is not compilable from source - as indeed is currently the situation. What shall I do? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The road ahead ...
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Ben Collins wrote: > On Wed, Jan 27, 1999 at 02:34:06PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > > I would appreciate a flood of experiences with the uptodate sparc slink > > > distribution. Serious brokenness is especially welcome but we like > > > supportive cheers too ;-) > > > > fakeroot seems to be seriously broken. > > When we say fakeroot is broken, do we mean the one in libtricks, or the > actual fakeroot package. The libtricks version seems to have a problem > on glibc 2.1 systems, this was verified by some people using the other > ports. I just tries the actual fakeroot package and it seemed to work > fine. I mean libtricks. Is fakeroot still available for slink? Presumably it is, and I did something stupid (I did try to find it, but I could have made some foolish mistake). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The road ahead ...
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Christian Meder wrote: > * X > > Seems to work well on most installations. I uploaded the last X packages and > didn't file a bug report with the patch but sent it to Anders who > usually does the X stuff on Sparc. I didn't keep up with the latest X > prereleases on i386 but we definitly need another X upload after Branden > released another X set. Anders, Steve, could you coordinate on syncing up > with Branden's prereleases ? I would favor to use the current X sparc patch > for frozen and switch to Steve's patches for potato. There's still a kernel bug with X and the cgsix. See other threads here and on sparclinux. > > * kernel issues > > 2.0.35 was running pretty well for me. I'm running a 2.2.0-pre8 cvs kernel > right now which is up 6 days. Anyone experiences with 2.2.0 ? > > If we'll agree on a good 2.2.x candiate I'll package it and upload an image. > Probably we should provide 2.2.x boot images too. What's your opinion Eric ? > I'm running 2.2.0-pre5, aliened from a redhat rpm. Seems fine (except I can't use X ;-( > * outdated and missing packages > > I've got most of the outdated stuff compiled and will upload it today or > tomorrow (hope I will get Gnome done too ;-) Wow. Good work. I'm working on perl (our slink version doesn't have GDBM_File support). > > * testing > > I would appreciate a flood of experiences with the uptodate sparc slink > distribution. Serious brokenness is especially welcome but we like > supportive cheers too ;-) fakeroot seems to be seriously broken. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Compiling perl 5.004_04 for sparc/slink
On Wed, 27 Jan 1999, Christian Meder wrote: > On Tue, Jan 26, 1999 at 11:21:25PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I'm trying to compile a copy of 5.004_04 for sparc/slink. The catalyst > > for this is that I discovered that our current 5.004 doesn't have > > GDBM_file support compiled in. > > > > I succeeded eventually in compiling it (the hitch was an already open bug, > > that 5.004 doesn't compile with libc2.1-pre versions), but I've hit > > another snag: > > > > I also need the DB_File extension to work. Unfortunately, Perl won't build > > the DB_File extension against Berkeley DB version 2, only Berkeley DB > > version 1 - and AFAICS, we don't have a libc6 dev-package of Berkeley DB > > version 1. > > > > This is a slight mystery, since I don't see how the version currently *in* > > slink got compiled, since that does have db support.. > > > > Any thoughts? > > Yes. I compiled the current perl package. You've got to patch the configure > script to look for db_185.h instead of db.h. I thought I filed a bug report > and it was closed because it's fixed in the newer upstream release (potato). > I can't check my mails right now. I don't see a bug report. Maybe it was closed ages ago. IMHO, it shouldn't have been closed - since it is making it hard for me to compile the slink version properly, so we can freeze. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
RE: cgsix woes continue in 2.2-pre5
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Dave Broudy wrote: > > It still happened to me with the latest kernel that I checked out from > CVS, 2.2.0-pre9 (or -final). > > Commenting lines 555 to 569 in drivers/video/cgsixfb.c where fbc->mode is > assigned fixes the problem, but it's obviously isn't perfect. It has a > tendency to leave the xdm login or any open xterms in an inconsistant > state if you switch from X to a VC and back to X, but it's better than an > NMI. xdm can be fixed with a control-c and the xterm must be closed (it > behaves as thought the control key is being held down. In my experience, hitting ctrl-a will clear the 'control key' flag. Failing that try 'ctrl-caps lock' twice (or maybe just once?) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Compiling perl 5.004_04 for sparc/slink
Hi there, I'm trying to compile a copy of 5.004_04 for sparc/slink. The catalyst for this is that I discovered that our current 5.004 doesn't have GDBM_file support compiled in. I succeeded eventually in compiling it (the hitch was an already open bug, that 5.004 doesn't compile with libc2.1-pre versions), but I've hit another snag: I also need the DB_File extension to work. Unfortunately, Perl won't build the DB_File extension against Berkeley DB version 2, only Berkeley DB version 1 - and AFAICS, we don't have a libc6 dev-package of Berkeley DB version 1. This is a slight mystery, since I don't see how the version currently *in* slink got compiled, since that does have db support.. Any thoughts? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: missing packages in slink (continued)
On 26 Jan 1999, Steve Dunham wrote: > > As far as I can tell, the source to the X packages are nowhere to be > found. They are cleverly disguised with the same name as Branden's X > packages, but there are absolutely no sparc patches in his source. > > > There are X packages with source on my site, and I have patches > against a fairly recent version of Branden's source (pre8 of the > package in slink), but they were developed seperately from the > packages in slink (since the source is MIA) and need more testing. > > (My packages contain all of the patches from UltraPenguin, plus one > that I have made myself, but I see that Jakub has added some more > creator patches to the UltraPenguin one since then.) Anders Hammarquist normally maintains our x-servers - he probably knows where the source is ;) I now find that fakeroot doesn't work for me. I'm building this package as root, but there's another problem needing investigation. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: missing packages in slink (continued)
On Tue, 26 Jan 1999, Jules Bean wrote: > Today's problem is that the new version of wanna-build uses the perl > module GDBM_File, which isn't part of sparc perl (presumably because we > didn't have a version of libgdbmg-dev around then). > > So, I'm about to rebuild perl, which will take all day.. Hmm.. who compiled our perl? It won't build against libc2.1-pre, because of a change in the headers. See bug #29452 Shouldn't we have a policy against binary uploads with no corresponding source? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: missing packages in slink (continued)
On 25 Jan 1999, Steve Dunham wrote: > Jules Bean <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > Well, my build daemon has picked up the following so far. > > > > When I get a chance, I'll compile all the failure logs into a summary. > > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls *changes > > > a2ps_4.10.4-4_sparc.changes pciutils_1.10-1_sparc.changes > > asclassic_1.1b-3_sparc.changes wmaker_0.20.3-2_sparc.changes > > dds2tar_2.4.21-2_sparc.changes xteddy_1.2-1_sparc.changes > > libjpeg_6a-12_sparc.changes xtide_2.0b3-2.1_sparc.changes > > login.app_1.2.1-5_sparc.changes yforth_0.1beta-9_sparc.changes > > mdutils_0.35-22_sparc.changeszile_1.0a5-3_sparc.changes > > mpich_1.1.0-6_sparc.changes zsh_3.1.2-10_sparc.changes > > > I'll upload these soonish, when I've had a chance to sanity check them. > > I build pciutils a few weeks ago (because I have an Ultra5). IIRC I > had a problem uploading it, and dinstall rejected it. > > When you sanity check "libjpeg" (and any other libfoo package). > Make sure the "altdev" packages were built. They were. Today's problem is that the new version of wanna-build uses the perl module GDBM_File, which isn't part of sparc perl (presumably because we didn't have a version of libgdbmg-dev around then). So, I'm about to rebuild perl, which will take all day.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Sparc4 install
On Mon, 25 Jan 1999, Ian Setford wrote: > > I have just been given the OK to try an install on a Sparc4 that's not > being used. I'm wondering what the state of the Sparc port is an what my > caveats are. > > Where can I get install information similar to the install guide for the > x86 side? I am very familiar with the x86 side so I'm hoping to knowck > out this install smoothly. /dists/sid/main/disks-sparc//sparc_release_note.txt If you have any questions, ask them here. James: Is it deliberate that there isn't a disks-sparc directory in dists/slink. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Debian Sparc installations
> > jed requires jed-common; the Packages listing states that this is in > binary-sparc, but it's in binary-all. The same applies to tetex-base, and > several others. Hmm.. They do indeed live in binary-all, but there should be symlinks in binary-sparc. Sounds like your mirror was broken - AFAIK, it's OK for me. > > X fails with complaints about the lack of /dev/kbd. Is this something which > gets made with a proper dselect installation? I would run makedev, but I've > noticed that the Other Distribution assigns /dev/kbd the major number 11, > minor 0, which is scd0 with Debian, and I'd rather leave it alone until I > know what the Right Thing To Do is. And there's probably some marvelous > Debian package which sets up everything correctly, anyway :-) This does seem to be an open issue. I had to make /dev/mouse myself, but not /dev/kbd. However, you don't have to supply numbers as parameters to makedev - try ./MAKEDEV kbd while root is in /dev (or something like that) > All in all, I'm quite impressed and delighted that so much works so smoothly. > And I suppose I should volunteer to help in some way. Any suggestions? Stay subscribe to this list, and volunteer when something comes up :) /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: missing packages in slink (continued)
Well, my build daemon has picked up the following so far. When I get a chance, I'll compile all the failure logs into a summary. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ls *changes a2ps_4.10.4-4_sparc.changes pciutils_1.10-1_sparc.changes asclassic_1.1b-3_sparc.changes wmaker_0.20.3-2_sparc.changes dds2tar_2.4.21-2_sparc.changes xteddy_1.2-1_sparc.changes libjpeg_6a-12_sparc.changes xtide_2.0b3-2.1_sparc.changes login.app_1.2.1-5_sparc.changes yforth_0.1beta-9_sparc.changes mdutils_0.35-22_sparc.changeszile_1.0a5-3_sparc.changes mpich_1.1.0-6_sparc.changes zsh_3.1.2-10_sparc.changes I'll upload these soonish, when I've had a chance to sanity check them. Interestingly, hardly any of these were on eric's list, but my buildd is sure that they were out of date. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
cgsix woes continue in 2.2-pre5
Hiya, Some of you will remember me reporting watchdog resets on quitting X on my SS2 with a cgsix, in the late 2.1.x kernels. Various patches were applied - I tested some, to no avail. Then, I stopped using my sparc for a while for unrelated reasons. Now I have found time to try a 2.2.0.-pre5 kernel (I alien'ed it from an rpm into a deb). However, the watchdog reset still occurs whenever X is quit. It's hard to get traces, since it normally screws the palette, but I'll have a go.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: missing packages in slink (continued)
On Sun, 24 Jan 1999, Eric Delaunay wrote: > > Here is a list of missing packages in the main part of slink for the sparc > needed to build the Tasks & Profiles lists of bootdisks. I will fire up my build daemon on frozen and leave the machine on during the day tomorrow. That will catch any which are simple recompiles.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: NEWS for debian-boot
On Fri, 22 Jan 1999, Derrick J Brashear wrote: > On Mon, 18 Jan 1999, Eric Delaunay wrote: > > > > I really need someone to document how to get tftp install going. If > > > you could just send me an outline of how to setup the tftp server and > > > what bootparms need to be set. Does it use DHCP? > > > > No, it uses RARP protocol. > > In another week I'll have a a portable rarpd based on libnet and libpcap > if anyone wants it. Yup. We'd love it. If no one else steps up, I'll debian-package it. Many thanks, Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: resc1440.bin to Floppy
On Fri, 8 Jan 1999, ds wrote: > I am trying to place the resc1440.bin file on a floppy, but > the floppy will only format to 1.38MB. There sin't a rawrite2 > for Sparc. How can I get this img onto the floppy disk? > > Thanks. dd if=filename of=/dev/fd0 sync Should work. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: dpkg on other unix
On Thu, 10 Dec 1998, Ben Collins wrote: > How much interest is there in having some 'ports' of debian that are only > meant to be overlays to other OS's such as Solaris? I think Solaris would > be the only one I am interested in. debian-solaris-sparc (modelled after debian-hurd-i386) Sounds like a cool idea to me! I don't see any reason we should restrict the debian project to free kernels. I mean, we prefer free kernels, but since some people have to use non-free kernels, it seems cool to me to support them by giving them a simple way to install all the debian packges. This should probably be brought up on -devel (maybe it already has - I've just got back from holiday, and I'm about 2000 messages backlogged on -devel). Where it will almost certainly cause a flame-war :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Booting an IPX from the Floppy Drive?
--On Tue, Dec 1, 1998 1:01 pm -0700 "James Bielman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Having recently inherited a Sun IPX to sit on the corner of my desk, of > course, I have to install Debian on it. :-) > > However, I can't get the rescue floppy (resc1440.bin) to boot -- both images > from ftp.debian.org fail after the SILO prompt like so: > > ROM Rev. 2.4 [etc, etc] > ok boot /fd > Boot device: /fd File and args: > SILO boot: [enter] > > Read error on block 50 > Cannot find /linux (Attempt to read block from filesystem resulted in short > read) > Image not found try again I also had exactly this problem, on 2 different SS2s, with all the floppies I tried. There is a real problem here... (I went for the net-boot approach). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998, Anton Blanchard wrote: > > > Alas :-( It doesn't fix it. The machine stil halts (actually, it watchdog > > resets) when X dies. > > Can you get a dump of .registers, .locals, ctrace? I don't have a cgsix so > it is pretty hard to trace without something to go on :) > Background: On my system (SS2/Debian/glibc-2.100/kernel-2.1.x;x=125 or 130) I see a watchdog reset immediately that I quit an X server (e.g. by typing '/etc/init.d/xdm stop'). In other respects, the machine works well, although I do also occasionally see a watchdog reset for no apparent reason. Here is the trace info (typed by hand *sigh*) .registers: (in order, g0-7, separated by ;) 0;fff7;22b280;22b2c0;28edc0;0;ff03;0 (PC;nPC;Y;PSR;WIM;TBR) f00012cf0;f0012cf4;0;11e5;10;f0004010 .locals: (In order, 0 to 3) IN: f1fcf000 fe005000 fe009000 f01a5100 LOC: 11c5 f01153f4 f01153f8 10 OUT: fe005000 20000 (In order, 4 to 7) IN: f017fae01 ff031d68 f01132e4 LOC:00 ff03 efffea20 OUT: ff031d60 f0114d08 ff031ce0 f011363c ctrace (annotations by hand from my System.map) PC: f0012cf0 (linux_trap_nmi_sun4c) Last leaf: jmp1 f0114d08 (cg6_fill) from f011363c (sbusfb_clear_margin+CC) 0 w %o0-%o5 (f3005000 2000 0 ff031d60 f0114d08) jmp1 fe005000 (not in map) from f01132e4 (sbusfb_release+88) 1 w %00-%05 (f1fcf000 fe005000 fe009000 f01a5100 f017fae0 1) jmp1 f011325c(sbusfb_release) from f01113b4 (fb_release+24) 2 w %o0-%o5 (f1868ee0 f03491e0 f011325c 0 ff030584 ff03) jmp1 f0111390(fb_release) from f0044d6c (__fput+28) 3 w %o0-%o5 (f1868ee0 f03491e0 f0111390 f017341 f0175a60 245288) call f0044d44(__fput) from f0044e24 (close_fp+88) 4 w %o0-%o5 (f03491e0 0 f1fd0ae0 ff031efc f017a898 ff) call f0044d9c(close_fp) from f0044eec (sys_close+80) 5 w %o0-%o5 (f03491e0 0 0 ffbf 0 f047f5ac) jmp1 f0044e6c(sys_close) from f0013368 (syscall_is_too_hard+34) 6 w %o0-%o5 (6 0 239930 1 1 28) from 39ea8 7 w %o0-%o5 (6 0 239930 1 1 28) I won't include my System.map in this email, since that would be rather unfriendly :-) This is running the standard Debian 2.1.125 kernel, so the System.map can be extracted from that .deb, or I can send it to anyone who is trying to look into this. In particular, I have marked the locations in the trace as best I can using my System.map, and a little script I knocked up for the purpose. Hope this information is useful to someone! I'd love to do it again, to check what I have above, but in 8 attempts, only 1 had yielded readable colours in the PROM, and I don't have a serial cable. Anyone know a way of resetting the colours of the console, from the PROM? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: 2.1.130 & XV binaries
On Tue, 1 Dec 1998, Chris Trainor wrote: > Ok, got ProFTPD installed on my well connected machine now. It's also > where I keep a mirror of ftp1.us.debian.org. > > You can anon ftp into gatekeeper.macross.com. It supports a max of 10 > anon connections for now. > > If anyone needs any other config options compiled into the kernel image > i'll be happy to recompile it. The image I posted on my ftp site was > made for my SS5. Many thanks, Chris. Unfortunately, I just downloaded your kernel and tried it. I still have the same problem :-( I will explain my woes in more detail in a separate message :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come (part II) ...
--On Sat, Nov 28, 1998 1:25 pm -0500 "Steve Dunham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > "Jules Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> --On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 10:08 pm +0100 "Eric Delaunay" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > About kernel, I will release the next bootdisks with 2.0.35. Is it enough >> > reliable for *all* sparc workstations, or should I switch to 2.1 ? > > I'd like to see 2.1, but I can always make my own... > >> Since the last breaks dpkg-shlibdeps, I'm using 2.1 ATM. But it does have >> some rather serious X problems on cgsixes (?) > > Do you have a flashing cursor in X with the cgsix? (I do, with > 2.1.127, and I'm trying to determine if it's due to the fact that the > cgsix is the second head on my system.) Nope. My cgsix problem is that I get a watchdog reset when I quit X. Which is kinda unpleasant :-) I'll send trace info to [EMAIL PROTECTED] when I get a chance - I'm rushed off my proverbials at the moment. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: unbuilt packages
--On Sun, Nov 29, 1998 7:04 pm -0500 "Ben Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 29, 1998 at 11:01:26PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> >> I would like to see wanna-build and its friends managing this process >> (since it produces such a list, facilitates autocompiles of packages >> that do compile, e.g. those out of date, allows builders to submit >> reasons why it didn't compile or change states, etc.) > > There is already some one with buildd (is that right?) doing auto > compiles, however not every package compiles and requires manual attempts > to find out the problems AFAIK. Cristopher I believe is doing this, and > stated he would post a list of the failed auto builds. I was interested in > seeing this to offer to help with buidling and sending patches to the > maintainers to fix our compile problems. I have got buildd working (which is why Lincoln mentions me above). However, I don't upload anything buildd builds - I'm just using it for testing. I will start uploading buildd stuff, if Christian wants me to, and if we get a frozen directory (or if some hacks wanna-build, I suppose). Netgod used to run autocompiles, using a different autocompilation mechanism (is it called dbuild, maybe?). But I haven't heard from netgod for some time on this list. > > BTW, yes 1.4.0.31 is the latest slink. I just noticed our problem is the > convergence of slink binary-sparc packages and potato binary-all packages > (dpkg-dev is 1.4.1 in potato/main/binary-sparc/base). This should really > be resolved before we can really hope to make a freeze, either get > the sparc distribution frozen or compile for potato instead. This was my point, of course. That's why we need a freeze. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Thu, Nov 26, 1998 11:26 pm +1100 "Anton Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi Jules, > >> > Are you using a cgsix framebuffer? The current kernels have a problem with >> > the cgsix, which Davem narrowed down to the cg6_reset function. >> > Do you get booted back to the PROM? If so can you get the results of: >> > .locals .registers ctrace >> > As well as your System.map > >> Hmm. It does sound exactly like that. >> Unfortunately the PROM is rarely readable, since the CLUT has generally made >> background == foreground. However, I'll try to get those data. >> How come I never read about this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I just miss it? > > I found it at http://dm.cobaltmicro.com/~davem/ultra-todo.html > > Let me know if this fixes your problem. Alas :-( It doesn't fix it. The machine stil halts (actually, it watchdog resets) when X dies. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: Graphical Browser for Sparc/Linux
--On Fri, Nov 27, 1998 4:41 pm +0530 "Sanjeev Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Folks, > > Got a SPARCclassic running sid. Running well. Stock kernel 2.0.35, no > recompiles neccessary (actually just apt, but that was because I paniced). > > What I need is a graphical (read: netscape) for the machine. Then to > place it in the Library as a browser. Point out excellent security and > stability on a `public' machine. Accept pats-on-back. Smile :-) > > Grail is non-frames friendly. > > Is there a mozilla for Sparc/Linux? Where? There are navigators compiled for Sparc/Linux, but they don't work on debian, and I haven't had a chance to investigate why not. Mozilla certainly should compile - but you need to find a stable source-code snapshot, and several hundred megabytes of disk space to compile it. Also, I suspect you won't find it sufficiently stable for your purposes. Unfortunately, no other browser is even close in functionality. Last I checked, the closest is probably amaya, which AFAIK has the distinction of being the only other to do frames. The most promising is mnemonic (www.mnemonic.org) which is close, I believe to a public release. The w3 emacs mode is also quite good :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: zsh ouch
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Samuel Tardieu wrote: > On 26/11, Jules Bean wrote: > | Did someone just upload a new zsh? > | > | It segfaults when run on my SS2/2.1.125... > > You mean "bus error"? I've reported this yesterday as a zsh bug, but > didn't receive any feedback yet. I do mean bus error, yes. If it's a sparc-specific bug, the maintainer probably won't be able to help much. I got as far as strac'ing it, and it's just after it attempts to connect to '/var/run/.nscd_socket'. Don't have time to track it down properly just now. gdb appears to be saying that the bus error happens in libc6. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
zsh ouch
Did someone just upload a new zsh? It segfaults when run on my SS2/2.1.125... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
On Thu, 26 Nov 1998, Anton Blanchard wrote: > > Hi Jules, > > > > Are you using a cgsix framebuffer? The current kernels have a problem with > > > the cgsix, which Davem narrowed down to the cg6_reset function. > > > Do you get booted back to the PROM? If so can you get the results of: > > > .locals .registers ctrace > > > As well as your System.map > > > Hmm. It does sound exactly like that. > > Unfortunately the PROM is rarely readable, since the CLUT has generally made > > background == foreground. However, I'll try to get those data. > > How come I never read about this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I just miss it? > > I found it at http://dm.cobaltmicro.com/~davem/ultra-todo.html > > Let me know if this fixes your problem. I will try your fix. Unfortunately, kernels take many, many hours to compile here - so if you happened to have a kernel binary to hand, I could check it much quicker :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Tue, Nov 24, 1998 6:45 pm +1100 "Anton Blanchard" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> I switched back to 2.1.125 and the situation is now: >> startx as root works OK, but when you end the X-session, the kernel >> halts itself. >> xdm works OK, but if you kill xdm (/etc/init.d/xdm stop) the kernel >> commits suicide :-( > > Are you using a cgsix framebuffer? The current kernels have a problem with the > cgsix, which Davem narrowed down to the cg6_reset function. > > Do you get booted back to the PROM? If so can you get the results of: > > .locals > .registers > ctrace > > As well as your System.map Hmm. It does sound exactly like that. Unfortunately the PROM is rarely readable, since the CLUT has generally made background == foreground. However, I'll try to get those data. How come I never read about this on [EMAIL PROTECTED] Did I just miss it? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come (part II) ...
--On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 4:51 pm -0500 "Ben Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 10:08:11PM +0100, Eric Delaunay wrote: >> >> About kernel, I will release the next bootdisks with 2.0.35. Is it enough >> reliable for *all* sparc workstations, or should I switch to 2.1 ? > > The 2.0.x kernels suffer performance wise on the sun4c's i have used them > on. For example it took about an hour for them to run mke2fs on my 2 gig > drive, while the 2.1 kernels went at it in about 15 minutes (or less). > > 2.0.35 works well on sun4m's tho. Oh. So *that's* the famous sun4c slowdown. I noticed that too, when I installed my machine. I just assumed that my disks were slow :-) I've never really noticed the slowdown when the machine's in use, but I use it very lightly. Jules P.S. I keep trimming this thread to -sparc - it's not really relevant to -devel. /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come (part II) ...
--On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 10:08 pm +0100 "Eric Delaunay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > About kernel, I will release the next bootdisks with 2.0.35. Is it enough > reliable for *all* sparc workstations, or should I switch to 2.1 ? The only serious problems I had when I used 2.0.35 were: Buggered signal handling (fixed in glibc?) Miscellaneous X/VC messes (possibly partly the signal-handling problem?) ldd segfaults (only on sun4c machines, fixed in 2.1) Since the last breaks dpkg-shlibdeps, I'm using 2.1 ATM. But it does have some rather serious X problems on cgsixes (?) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come (part II) ...
--On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 1:32 pm -0500 "Ben Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 06:08:12PM +, Jules Bean wrote: >> >> You just mount the NFS drive, and when it asks you where base_*tgz is, you >> tell it... > > Yeah, I was able to do that, but what about when it asks for resc1440.bin > and drv1440.bin? As long as you've got them visible on a mounted file system, it can find them and use them. [I quite agree, BTW, that this is insufficiently documented] Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come (part II) ...
--On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 12:41 pm -0500 "Ben Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Nov 25, 1998 at 06:08:20PM +0100, Christian Meder wrote: >> >> which kernel will we use as standard kernel ? > > Although I haven't tried X with it, the 2.1.129 kernel on this debian > sparc system of mine has been up for a almost a week now with no porblems. > There are some problems that I have seen on linux-kernel@ with 129, but > all seem to have been fixed in the latest 2.1.130pre3. Maybe we need to > look beyond 125 for the sparc release? > > Also, if no one else is working on it, I would really like to see the > tftpboot image capable of using nfs to install the kernel image and > modules instead of asking for a disk (or does it work and just wasn't > obvious in the install?). It does work, and it isn't obvious, no. You just mount the NFS drive, and when it asks you where base_*tgz is, you tell it... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
RE: The time has come ...
--On Mon, Nov 23, 1998 11:25 am -0600 "Brian H. Dunford-Shore" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This seems like it is a bug that has been discussed on the > sparclinux@vger.rutgers.edu mailing list: > > On Tuesday, November 03, 1998 9:56 PM, Anton Blanchard > [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> Hi Brian, >> >> > I have a different, but possibly related problem. My system freezes >> > when X tries to shut down or is killed. It works properly, with >> > 2.1.125/2.1.126 UP (or even two processors) or with 2.0.35 UP. > Anyone >> > else with more than two processors seeing something like this? >> >> Can you ping it when this happens? I'll look at getting bwtwo+X > happening and >> then see if I can reproduce your problem. >> >> If anyone else is having sparc32 SMP problems, could they email me the > details? I do read sparclinux. I agree that my problem does seem similar in symptoms. However, I doubt it is the same, since the person quoted above says that he sees no problem when in UP or 2P mode. I'm definitely running in UP mode. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Mon, Nov 23, 1998 2:41 pm + "Jules Bean" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I switched back to 2.1.125 and the situation is now: > > startx as root works OK, but when you end the X-session, the kernel halts > itself. > > xdm works OK, but if you kill xdm (/etc/init.d/xdm stop) the kernel commits > suicide :-( D'oh. I forgot to add - you can't use the ctrl-alt-F(x) shortcuts to switch desktops anymore. And running chvt as root simply hangs, without changing vt. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 6:36 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 06:24:46PM +0100, Anders Hammarquist wrote: >> > > I'll upload new xfree packages which are based on -8 in an hour or so .. >> > >> > Hmm. >> > >> > They're broken here. >> > >> > xdm causes the kernel to halt (back to PROM prompt - 'program terminated'). >> >> What kernel version? (It's definitely a kernel bug that it ends up at the PROM >> prompt, but we should none the less try and keep xdm from triggering it.) OK. After trying in 2.0.35, I realised that I didn't have xfonts-base installed. So I installed those. Then, X works flawlessly under 2.0.35 (well, after a very brief test..). I switched back to 2.1.125 and the situation is now: startx as root works OK, but when you end the X-session, the kernel halts itself. xdm works OK, but if you kill xdm (/etc/init.d/xdm stop) the kernel commits suicide :-( Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Gathering opinions: Freeze ?
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 2:14 pm -0500 "Maitland Bottoms" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > Time to de-lurk, I guess. Good, It's even friday afternoon. Excellent. > > At the beginning of October I installed the then current > Debian/slink/sparc - and was pleased. Until I exited X. Until I > realized there was no XEmacs binary. *grin* > > But I have been able to build my own kernel using kernel-package, and > both my LANCE and HAPPY MEAL network interfaces work, and my > multi-threaded C++ application runs and only Oopses sometimes. > *grin* > The SPARCstation 10 here has been idle for the last 25 days of its 26 > day uptime, and has 8GB of disk space. I could provide some more > manpower and cpupower. > > Hmm, master.debian.org is refusing to talk to me, and although I can > ssh over to va.debian.org, it seems to have a different set of home > directories. Hopefully I can find the newest glibc and get a new > kernel and get started on things today. Well... actually, we could use your CPU power. Roman Hodek and James Troup have devised a distributed system for keeping architectures up to date with i386 (or, more generally, just up-to-date with source uploads). We could use this system to dedicate your machine, and mine, to building, and in a few days we could probably get all packages up to date. However, first of all, we do need a freeze. We need a concept of 'frozen/binary-sparc/Packages' for the software to work correctly (I'm running it on my machine now, but it's happily snarfing the very newest packages from unstable/main/source, which is no use for frozen). So, if we get Guy Maor to give us a frozen directory, and then if all people here who have machines on the internet (behind a firewall is OK, probably) and are willing to help rally around, we can coordinate a mass recompilation effort. Who's up for it? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Gathering opinions: Freeze ?
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 6:45 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > I was discussing with Brian if we could get frozen for release on Sparc > for 2.1. His answer was that if we are almost ready now for release we could > get the freeze. > > What's the concensus here ? > > IMHO apart from recompiling applications there's only intensive testing > and the bootdisks left as major showstoppers. The kernel is a minor problem > but one we won't be able to solve before release. Well, the problem is we are *very* behind on packages. In fact, we are 840 packages behind. I have just installed roman hodek & james troup's buildd system on my sparc 2, and it is just beginning to compile - but I would estimate it is at least a CPU-week away from bringing sparc up-to-date with i386 slink. Also, it's actually heading for an unstable (potato) target in any case My inclination is not to release, since I don't think we're ready. However, that's partly influenced by the fact that I have a very good net connection, so I don't feel the need for CDs. (indeed, I don't have a CD-ROM drive anyway :-) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 4:25 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 10:13:40AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: >> Also, I compiled the xfree86 packages under the new libc6 2.0.100. I had >> to hack around some with a few things so I'm not gonna upload them to >> Incoming, but I will make them available in my home directory on master >> sometime today for those that want X. > > I'll upload new xfree packages which are based on -8 in an hour or so ... > They look pretty stable. I'll forward the patch to the BTS. > Sorry to bypass you, Anders, but I needed a xlib6 (libc5 compat package) for > lesstif compilation urgently. Hmm. They're broken here. xdm causes the kernel to halt (back to PROM prompt - 'program terminated'). startx as a user doesn't work (apparently because /dev/fb doesn't exist). startx as root causes the kernel to halt as above. On one occasion when it halted, I saw the message 'modprobe - unable to locate fb' or something like that. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
On Fri, 20 Nov 1998, Christian Meder wrote: > On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 at 04:51:32PM +0000, Jules Bean wrote: > > --On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 4:25 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 at 10:13:40AM -0500, Ben Collins wrote: > > >> Also, I compiled the xfree86 packages under the new libc6 2.0.100. I had > > >> to hack around some with a few things so I'm not gonna upload them to > > >> Incoming, but I will make them available in my home directory on master > > >> sometime today for those that want X. > > > > > > I'll upload new xfree packages which are based on -8 in an hour or so ... > > > They look pretty stable. I'll forward the patch to the BTS. > > > Sorry to bypass you, Anders, but I needed a xlib6 (libc5 compat package) > > for > > > lesstif compilation urgently. > > > > Hmm. > > > > They're broken here. > > > > xdm causes the kernel to halt (back to PROM prompt - 'program terminated'). > > > > startx as a user doesn't work (apparently because /dev/fb doesn't exist). > > > > startx as root causes the kernel to halt as above. > > > > On one occasion when it halted, I saw the message 'modprobe - unable to > > locate fb' or something like that. > > Hmmm > > Which kernel are you using ? The version of 2.1.125 you uploaded. > > The only problem which I see on a 2.0.35 is that startx doesn't work as a > user (like you said above). I don't see any crashes. I can even tell you why that is. It's because you don't have permissions for /dev/fb* .Try running constype as a normal user, and then try as root. Also, there doesn't seem to be a symlink from /dev/fb to /dev/fb0 on my machine, which maybe there should be. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 6:32 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > Which kernel are you using ? >> >> The version of 2.1.125 you uploaded. > > Could you try again with 2.0.35 ? It looks like a kernel bug to me. Certainly. But I can't just now - the machine is busy. And, for me (and other SS2 users) using a 2.0 kernel is definitely not as good. I can't really build packages under 2.0, for example. > >> >> > >> > The only problem which I see on a 2.0.35 is that startx doesn't work as a >> > user (like you said above). I don't see any crashes. >> >> I can even tell you why that is. It's because you don't have permissions >> for /dev/fb* .Try running constype as a normal user, and then try as >> root. > > Was it possible with the old X packages to startx as normal user ? I honestly don't know. It was, at one point. But I've been using xdm for ages, so I hadn't tried. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: Gathering opinions: Freeze ?
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 7:05 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Also, it's actually heading for an unstable (potato) target in any case > > Please refrain from uploading potato stuff until we reached a conclusion. All > my uploads up to now are in sync with frozen i386. > I will upload nothing :-) >> >> My inclination is not to release, since I don't think we're ready. However, >> that's partly influenced by the fact that I have a very good net connection, >> so I don't feel the need for CDs. (indeed, I don't have a CD-ROM drive >> anyway :-) > > My problem with not releasing is the continous dragging along without getting > a stable codebase once. We could need more exposure and manpower ;-) Yes. But we need more manpower to get stable. We can't pretend we are stable, as a way of attracting manpower... However, if you think a freeze would be good, and you are prepared to work towards one, then I'm prepared to help you, certainly. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Fri, Nov 20, 1998 8:53 am -0800 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Volkmar Sieh writes: >>> Where can I get this corresponding sparc_patch? > > Jules Bean writes: >> Wait for it to appear on your local debian mirror... > > Unfortunately, I haven't yet found appropriate packages > (kernel-image-2.1.125 or kernel-patch-2.1.125 were my guesses, but I > looked for anything with kernel in the name or 2.1.125 anywhere) on my > favorite mirrors, nor in searching > > ftp://ftp.debian.org/debian/dists/sid/main/binary-sparc/Packages.gz > > I did, however, find xlib6g-3.3.2.3a-8.1 which I thought was announced > subsequently, so maybe I'm confused about something. Nope. You're quite correct. The thing is, the xlib packages, and the glibc packages, are simply upgrades. So they are auto-processed by our archive maintainance program, dinstall. The 125 kernel, and the kernel packages, are new packages, which mean they need to be manually installed. Developers can snarf them from master.. (which is how come some of us have them...) Actually, I'm seeing problems now... 'halt' and 'shutdown -h' both appear to terminate more or less instantly, without changing run-level probably.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 3:36 pm +0100 "Volkmar Sieh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> --On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 2:00 pm + "Scott Ashcroft" >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> > I'm not. I built it from the debian source package. >> > >> >> My understanding is you need the corresponding sparc_patch package as well, >> to get the right kernel image. > > Where can I get this corresponding sparc_patch? Wait for it to appear on your local debian mirror... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Thu, Nov 19, 1998 2:00 pm + "Scott Ashcroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 19 Nov, Jules Bean wrote: >> Sounds like you're not using Christian's kernels? > > I'm not. I built it from the debian source package. > My understanding is you need the corresponding sparc_patch package as well, to get the right kernel image. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Wed, Nov 18, 1998 9:13 pm + "Scott Ashcroft" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Christian Meder wrote: >> >> I tested the glibc2.1 with 2.0.35 and 2.1.125 and it works great. The ^Z >> problem should be fixed. >> >> If you've got any problems with any of the packages please report it to >> the list. > > I've tried 2.0.35 and I get unsupported sparc system calls 13 and 102 > messages (not really a big problem I've just patched the kernel to > remove the messages). > > With 2.1.125 the problems are more serious. The serial console is dead. > > It just repeats: > > zs_open ttyS0, tty overwrite. > > If I type anyting an oops occurs. Everyting else is fine. > > System is a SS2 with 96Mb of RAM. Sounds like you're not using Christian's kernels? Certainly, his 2.0.35 already has the syscall patches in. And, I don't have any problem with his 2.1.125 on my SS2. (How can you fit 96 M in an SS2?) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 9:17 pm -0500 "Derrick J Brashear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 16 Nov 1998, Jules Bean wrote: > >> I'd just spent >> 10 CPU hours compiling glibc 2.0.100 on my SS2, only to >> have it segfault on an explicit invocation of ld-linux.so (which I suspect >> is a typical manifestation of the Sun4c/2.0.x kernel breakage). > > The generally accepted sun4c 2.0.x problem is manifested in a slowing of > the machine over time. This is most likely another problem, though if this > SS2 has a Weitek PowerUp that's another potential gotcha. (depending on > its age) Yes. I'm talking about a different problem here. One symptom of it is that 'ldd /usr/lib/libm.so' (or almost any other library) will segfault. It is, I'm glad to report, fixed by the 2.1 kernel I'm now running (it still occurs under 2.0.35, even with glibc 2.0.100). Also fixed are most of the X problems I was complaining about a month ago. Things are looking up. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: The time has come ...
--On Mon, Nov 16, 1998 5:35 pm +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > > glibc2.1, egcs, kernel 2.0.35, 2.1.125 and some base packages are on its way > to master ... > > I tested the glibc2.1 with 2.0.35 and 2.1.125 and it works great. The ^Z > problem should be fixed. > Hurrah! And there was *much* rejoicing. I'd just spent >> 10 CPU hours compiling glibc 2.0.100 on my SS2, only to have it segfault on an explicit invocation of ld-linux.so (which I suspect is a typical manifestation of the Sun4c/2.0.x kernel breakage). Looking forward to uploading lots of packages, and generally getting things working better. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: apt 0.1.9 for sparc
--On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 1:35 pm -0500 "Jaldhar H. Vyas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In other Debian/sparc news, i've gotten dbuild set up. Unfortunately I > can only spare about 0.5GB which won't be enough for all of debian (and > there's that firewall problem) but I hope to be able to contribute a > little when the mass recompile begins. An alternative I'm mulling over is buildd - if you're interested, send subscription requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Compiling apt for Sparc
--On Thu, Nov 12, 1998 3:44 pm +0530 "Sanjeev Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > In an earlier thread, Jules said: > >> apt-get is segfault because you have broken your libraries - alas, you'll >> have to recompile apt against libstdc++ 2.9 > > Tried to compile apt the hard way (./configure ; make). Failed. > Tried the hard way (vi Makefile; make; vi Makefile; make...). Failed > Tried the easier way (debian/binary rules). Clean success!!! Always use debian/rules! If you're interested in what it is doing, simply read the debian/rules file :-) > So now I have apt-0.1.7 for SPARC. Should I upload it somewhere? In case > anybodby needs it, please mail me. Unless you're a maintainer, don't bother to upload it. IN any case, I suspect the new libc may require another bout of recompilations. > > Now: > > xsun-server needs fonts. xfonts-base needs xbase-clients. xbase-clients > not available in dists/sid/main/binary-sparc/x11 . > > Hm. Help? Well, you could try grabbing the X source and compiling yourself, if you have 500MB of free disk space. However, I don't know if Branden will have kept the sparc-specific changes current in his recent X reorganisation. Personally, I'm waiting for our pseudo-maintainer, Anders Hammerquist (sp?) to recompile, or someone to step up in his place (I don't have the disk space, or the CPU time), and meanwhile I'm keeping my X packages on hold. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Dual boot IPX SLinux/Solaris
--On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 11:38 pm -0600 "Ron Mathis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have gotten Linux installed and running. I am running the 2.0.33 > kernel and have not run dselect because of the bash/kernel messages of > late. I looked at upgrading the kernel and got he 2.0.35 kernel from > vger.rutgers.edu. I have not done an upgrade like this before but it > looks like you copy the new kernel and System Map to the /boot dir redo > the link and reboot the system. I can only hope it is that easy. Will > upgrading to 2.0.35 take care of the bash/kernel problem. The other > thing is that I ftped the entire sparc distribution to this machine and > would like to keep it current is there a good way to do this. Thanks for > your help in advance. Best kernel to use, actually, is the debian-supplied 2.0.35. FTP it from your local mirror. It won't 'solve' the bash/kernel issues - but they are not as serious under 2.0 kernels as they are under 2.1 kernels (i.e. 2.0 kernels give you a usable machine). The problems are apparently glibc related, and will be fixed when we get a new libc. To keep your mirror up to date, you could run mirror, or rsync. However, thinkg about why you're doing this? If it's just for your use, is it worthwile? If, on the other hand its for the use of a group of people, then go for it. If you can make your mirror publically accessible, even better. There's a mailing list for mirroring issues - debian-mirror, I think (there may be an 's'). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: problem: compiling Apt for sparc
--On Wed, Nov 11, 1998 11:44 AM -0500 "Stephen J. Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b > > I also trie dby hand > ./configure (never finishes...always an error) Try it by hand again, with debian/rules binary (after making sure you have the correct C++ dev package). If you have probs again, cut and paste the errors here... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: problem: compiling Apt for sparc
--On Tue, Nov 10, 1998 4:59 pm -0500 "Stephen Carpenter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got apt and tried to recompile it (as was suggested) but it wont build... > it dies during configure. Has anyone else tried? I will re-unpack it > and come up with a log of the error if anyone wants. I didn't have any trouble building it. Do you have libstdc++-dev 2.9 installed? How are you building? debian/rules binary? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Followup on unimplemented system calls 103 and 119
--On Mon, Nov 9, 1998 10:42 am -0500 "Matthew Haas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I just browsed through Debian-sparc archives, and got a few answers, but I > still have a few questions: > Oops. I apologise for my last mail, then :-) > There is a kernel 2.0.35 binary which I could have installed as opposed to > the default 2.0.33... if I were to install this one, would it be > sufficient enough to fix my problems (get rid of the syscall warnings)? > Yes. > Compiling a kernel, I read something about the kernel couldn't be compiled > with the debian source, and to get a vger source tree... what about a > regular stock source tree? I am considering ATTEMPTING to compile 2.1.125 > after I get my system up and running, will I need any extra patches? Don't, it won't work. Wait for the new glibc in a few days (Christian?) and then the new kernel package which will be uploaded at the same time. > > I saw a math-emu module on installation... this wouldn't be *needed* by my > SS-2, would it? It has its own FPU, so it shouldn't need any additional > things right? Not needed, now. Shouldn't be harmful, either. > > I also saw a bpp module, what does this jobby do? > No idea :-) > Simple Debian administrivia: > > - Instead of using dselect for everything, what if I wanted to manually > invoke dpkg for a few packages? Would dpkg --unpack -R package.deb be > sufficient, or are other arguments required? dpkg -i package.deb is the one to use. > > - I've heard of this apt program... is it a new front end to dpkg? I have > also read it is sort of broke and a library must be recompiled. It is broken with new glibc's, since the stdc++ libraries don't work with the new glibcs. It is easy enough to recompile, or a new package will probably be uploaded soon. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: System Call 119, etc; and apt broke
If you simply install kernel_image 2.0.35 from sid, you'll be fine - it has the required patches. apt-get is segfault because you have broken your libraries - alas, you'll have to recompile apt against libstdc++ 2.9 Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: APT for sid
--On Sat, Nov 7, 1998 12:09 pm +0530 "Sanjeev Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Sorry, my question was improperly phrased. Is there an apt for sid? And > if so, where? Is there not one in the archive (it would be section admin)? If not, compile it yourself - that's what I did. Download the latest APT source package from dists/frozen/source/admin/apt*. If you haven't built a debian package before, the basic pattern is dpkg-source -x .dsc, cd into the newly unpacked directory, and debian/rules binary. Then dpkg -i the deb which has been created. Expect the number of good quality packages in sid to increase when we have the new glibc, meaning that I can compile things more easily without segfaults... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: glibc 2.0.99
--On Fri, Nov 6, 1998 10:17 am +0100 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I'm downloading your version just now. I've got some sparc specific changes > to do (from a 1026 snapshot I use). > Could you please wait for my feedback before you upload your version ? Christian - is Dan's version the one you mention over in -devel? I'd love to test this version for you - my SS2 is most irritating with current systems, and I need to run 2.1.x Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: APT for sid
--On Fri, Nov 6, 1998 2:48 pm +0530 "Sanjeev Gupta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Folks, > > downloaded tftp, installed base2 > > The machine I am installing on is behind a web proxy. I think I may be > able to use http_proxy from apt, to install everything else. Is there > such a thing? Or a better(?) way? I reckon that's the best way. It works with an environment variable (ugly, I know). Something like: export http_proxy="http://firewall.veryparanoid.com:1234"; apt-get update && apt-get upgrade Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: problems compiling php3 on sparc
On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Gergely Madarasz wrote: > On Thu, 22 Oct 1998, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > On Oct 20, Gergely Madarasz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > >Could you check the other libraries php is linked to ? It seems one of > > >them is libc5-based. > > I can't check if those libraries are linked with libc5 because ldd does > > not works on shared libraries (but is works on the php.so module). > > then do a grep -l libc.so.5 :) > if it outputs the filename of the library, it is probably linked to libc5 > But it is strange... I have a debian/sparc box, though it is ancient > (installed in janury, didn't have time to upgrade it regularly), it > has libc6 installed and ldd works on the libraries. And of course it works > on i386. As far as I can tell its specific to some machines - perhaps the Sun4c arch, which includes my SS2. It doesn't affect late 2.1 kernels, but we can't use those... Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: MTA on debian/slink/sparc
On Wed, 21 Oct 1998 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Nagy Attila writes: > > > I've just installed a debian slink from ftp on my sparcstation5. > > It looks like everything works, except the mail transfer agent (:() > > I tried smail, but got bus error. > > Next i tried sendmail, got error loading shared library undefined db_open > > Exim doesn't exist :-O so i compiled one. > > No, it not compiles (undefined db_open)... > > What can i do? > > (smail from sources still got bus error:() > > Well I got this problem and I have posted a long time ago, but never > got a solution. > Just to remind the sparc-debian developpers, there are still a lot of > problems with the spresent distribution. *grin* I know. The problem is, there aren't very many of us, and we don't have much spare time... It looks like the problem you're having with both sendmail and exim is lack of db support. Try installing the packages libdb2 and libdb2-dev. (This should enable you to run them and compile them). It looks to me like a bug that exim (and possibly sendmail too) do not depend on libdb, but I could be missing something. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: X server problems:
>>> 3) Occasionally, the system will switch to the X VC for no reason. This >>> often seems to happen on the first console message since xconsole was >>> launched. This will often be accompanied by symptoms of X 'latching on' > to >>> the VC which was running when it happened. >> >> This seems odd, I would almost suspect bugs in the virtual console kernel >> code. I'll see if I can repeat it and figure anything out. (If anyone has > tips >> on how to get this to happen, let me know). > > I'm pretty sure there are bugs in the VC code. > > I don't want to reboot xdm now to test (sorry) but I'm pretty sure this > always work: > > My machine runs xdm from /etc/init.d/xdm automatically. xdm's setup scripts > launch an xconsole which sits below the login dialog (i.e. debian standard > behaviour). > > If I then immediately switch to another VC and log in as root, the resultant > console message (ROOT LOGIN on ttyx) will trigger a flick to the X VC. > > When this has happened, the text VC which triggered the flick gets confused, > and it's kbd_mode becomes raw. This means that if you go back to this VC, > you have to telnet in and call 'kbd_mode -a' to fix things. More info... Often, if an X server is running, (and gpm isn't) then if I move the mouse when using a VC, this causes X to flick up, and causes the VC confusion as above. Another point I forgot to mention earlier. If xdm is running, and the session ends naturally, the next keypress (to the newly spawned login widget) will kill of xdm. Xdm will then apparently respawn on VC8, and all will be well.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: X server problems:
--On Mon, Oct 19, 1998 10:50 pm +0200 "Anders Hammarquist" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> A couple of problems which I definitely see with my X server: >> >> 1) Control key gets 'stuck' down. >> >> If I use to switch out of X into VC 1, and then use simply >> to switch back in, the server then behaves as if the ctrl key is >> held down. This can be cleared easily enough by explicitly typing >> ctrl-something. > > I haven't noticed this (but then I very rarely switch out of X). Does it > happen if you type to get back as well? (If not, it can probably > be fixed by inserting a synthetic 'clear all keys' after returning from a > different VC.) It doesn't. That's why I was precise about the fact. Could you try that fix in your next version, then? > >> 2) Mouse gets occasionally seized by gpm >> >> Symptom is that the mouse will freeze after a switch between console and X >> mode. I am pretty sure the interaction is with gpm since /etc/init.d/gpm >> stop fixes it. > > Yes, Xsun and gpm don't get along sharing the mouse. This probably has to do > with the fact that gpm uses the linux way to talk to the mouse and Xsun uses > the sparc way. Fair enough. > >> 3) Occasionally, the system will switch to the X VC for no reason. This >> often seems to happen on the first console message since xconsole was >> launched. This will often be accompanied by symptoms of X 'latching on' to >> the VC which was running when it happened. > > This seems odd, I would almost suspect bugs in the virtual console kernel > code. I'll see if I can repeat it and figure anything out. (If anyone has tips > on how to get this to happen, let me know). I'm pretty sure there are bugs in the VC code. I don't want to reboot xdm now to test (sorry) but I'm pretty sure this always work: My machine runs xdm from /etc/init.d/xdm automatically. xdm's setup scripts launch an xconsole which sits below the login dialog (i.e. debian standard behaviour). If I then immediately switch to another VC and log in as root, the resultant console message (ROOT LOGIN on ttyx) will trigger a flick to the X VC. When this has happened, the text VC which triggered the flick gets confused, and it's kbd_mode becomes raw. This means that if you go back to this VC, you have to telnet in and call 'kbd_mode -a' to fix things. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
X server problems:
A couple of problems which I definitely see with my X server: 1) Control key gets 'stuck' down. If I use to switch out of X into VC 1, and then use simply to switch back in, the server then behaves as if the ctrl key is held down. This can be cleared easily enough by explicitly typing ctrl-something. 2) Mouse gets occasionally seized by gpm Symptom is that the mouse will freeze after a switch between console and X mode. I am pretty sure the interaction is with gpm since /etc/init.d/gpm stop fixes it. 3) Occasionally, the system will switch to the X VC for no reason. This often seems to happen on the first console message since xconsole was launched. This will often be accompanied by symptoms of X 'latching on' to the VC which was running when it happened. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: Debian/sparc problems (and solutions?)
--On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 1:16 pm +0200 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Tue, Oct 13, 1998 at 06:46:17PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: >> [^Z doesn't work in bash, and recently ksh] > > Could you elaborate ? > Well.. in 2.0.35, on my SS2 (and I know others have experienced this) you cannot suspend processes with ^Z in bash. More accurately, you can suspend the process, but bash never comes to the foreground - so you are left with a dead terminal sitting on a suspended process. >> [modprobe problems] > > I don't have modprobe problems. SS2 specific ? I don't personally use modprobe - those problems were Michael's, perhaps he'll elaborate. > >> >> I can add to that: >> >> I'm seeing segfaults with any program which is linked to our current >> libstdc++ 2.8. 2.9 is fine. This is a problem, since apt has broken... > > 2.0.95 broke libstdc++2.8 and there's no source to recompile (see > debian-devel thread). I more or less deduced this myself. (I am not currently on -devel, I had to unsubscribe because I was on holiday, and the volume is vast. I'm in the process of catching up with the archives, at which point I will re-subscribe). > >> And then we have the big kernel version problem. Any recent 2.1 kernel >> (later than eightysomething ) will not run our bash. Or not last I >> tried, anyhow. >> >> 2.0.33 doesn't have the ^Z problem, BTW. 2.0.35 does. > > Hmm, 2.0.35 is rock stable on my Sparc10 ... > Other serious problems I see on a regular basis are: ldd doesn't work on shared libs, which breaks dpkg-shlibdeps. This is apparently SS2 specific, and fixed in kernel 2.1.x (x>80 or so). kernel 2.1 doesn't work :-( Problem seems to be our bash. Recently, update-menus has started segfaulting on me. I have recompiled the menu package against stdc++ 2.9, but the problem remains. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Upcoming 2.1 Release Architectures
--On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 3:11 am +0200 "Hartmut Koptein" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi, > >> > Have you a working getty on sparc with glibc-2.1 ? >> >> We only use 2.1 - so, yes, we do. > > sorry for insist: is this the normal util-linux package, or have you it patched? Um.. I'm afraid I don't know. I'm Cc:ing this back to debian-sparc - someone will know more than I do. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Upcoming 2.1 Release Architectures
--On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 1:12 pm +0200 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > * if there's a stabilized snapshot newbies will get (hopefully) a >> > softer introduction in the wonders of the Linux-Sparc/Powerpc/Arm/... >> world >> >> >> I see your argument. I'm worried that we might be perceived as giving the >> message that debian-sparc is ready for primetime, which, alas, it is not.. > > Right. I would like to see a freeze on Sparc the result of which we should > call _development_ snapshot instead of release to distinguish them. > > Remember the article of Alan Cox recently on slashdot. > > * Release early to get other people jump on the wagon. > > The ports tend to drag along because newbies don't know where to start. If we call it something like a 'developer' release, or an 'early-access' release, then it sounds like a great idea, yes... as long as people don't get the impression that it is a full 2.1 release. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Upcoming 2.1 Release Architectures
--On Thu, Oct 15, 1998 12:14 am +0200 "Christian Meder" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 1998 at 10:05:25AM -0700, Stephen Zander wrote: >> > "Brian" == Brian White <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> >> Brian> Could I get some official word on which architectures wish >> Brian> to be included in the 2.1 release of Debian? Thanks! >> >> I don't think sparc is ready to go, though Johnnie or Eric may see it >> differently. >> > I'm neither Johnnie nor Eric but I think the basic tools on sparc are > stabilizing (compiler, glibc2.1, kernel). I don't think Sparc is ready > for a full blown quality release like i386. > > Does it make sense to go for a stabilized developer snapshot, i.e. > a Sparc port which has base, required, standard and parts of the > optional packages (sources based on the slink dist of i386) ? > Kind of a official _development_ release with a big disclaimer about > the development character of the port. Powerpc probably would be a > second candidate for such a release. > > 2 reasons in favour: > > * we ease the work of the CD producers to provide a _reasonable_ > (installable) snapshot of the ports > We don't have installable CDs, do we? Our disks don't work on all models... although our netboot is better. AFAICS, there are still serious bugs in X - and also the 2.0 series kernels don't work well on SS2s, at least - but the 2.1 series kernels don't work at all with our bash. > * if there's a stabilized snapshot newbies will get (hopefully) a > softer introduction in the wonders of the Linux-Sparc/Powerpc/Arm/... world I see your argument. I'm worried that we might be perceived as giving the message that debian-sparc is ready for primetime, which, alas, it is not.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
stdc++2.8 and apt..
More ramblings (deity people, there is a minor bug report for you here). As I suspected, recompiling apt 0.1.6 was enough to solve my apt segmentation faults. The only problem I had with apt was the need to add an '#include ' into apt-get.cc. So, my SS2 is looking nicer. I still can't compile packages with proper dependency information, since ldd segfaults on my machine when run on shared libs, which is apparently a specifically SS2/kernel 2.0 interaction - but I can't run a newer kernel, since that breaks our bash. It would be nice to get 2.1.x series kernels running - does anyone here have any idea what's wrong with our bash? I'm still seeing lots of problems with xdm and X - in particular, xdm respawning after the end of a session doesn't work properly (or at all, sometimes). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | Debian GNU/Linux - "Microsoft *does* have a year 2000 problem - | | and we're it!" (paraphrased from IRC) | \--/
Re: Debian/sparc problems (and solutions?)
--On Fri, Sep 25, 1998 1:01 am -0500 "Michael Shuey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Be warned, the following are the insane ramblings of a tired, bored programmer > and should not be taken as any sort of reasonable thought. You have been > warned. > OK. I'm sorry I've been dormant for a couple of months. I've been busy. Happens to the best of us, occasionally. > I like Debian Linux. I also like Sun hardware. I'd really like for these > things to start working well together, but there are a whole pile of problems > right now. It would be really nice if we (the people testing Debian/Sparc) > had some central listing of current problems with the distribution, or if > there was someone we could go to who would track these problems & post some > info on the web. I'd do this, but I don't have the time (nor am I a Debian > developer, for that matter). Still, it'd be a nice idea to know who is > working on what and what works and what doesn't. For that matter, if multiple > people are going to be compiling and uploading packages, it would make some > sense to have a sort of reference platform, based on a certain version of > libc and the latest stable kernel, for people to use when compiling. That > would help to eliminate some of the problems now evident, particularly those > related to a package compiled with a different libc than that which is > currently available. I couldn't agree more. The pages exist. http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc. I'm in charge of them. But there's not much there at the moment. [autofs problems. Rebuilding with libc 2.0.95 may help] [^Z doesn't work in bash, and recently ksh] [X problems] [modprobe problems] I can add to that: I'm seeing segfaults with any program which is linked to our current libstdc++ 2.8. 2.9 is fine. This is a problem, since apt has broken... I'm still seeing miscellaneous X problems - random VC switches, kbd mode getting confused (need to telnet in an run kbd_mode to fix). And then we have the big kernel version problem. Any recent 2.1 kernel (later than eightysomething ) will not run our bash. Or not last I tried, anyhow. 2.0.33 doesn't have the ^Z problem, BTW. 2.0.35 does. This information needs collating and organising. I'm happy to do that - it would help me if anyone who knows I'm wrong on something above, or has more data, would speak up. I only have an SS2, and I know *some* of my problems are either SS2 specific, or CG6 specific. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: XF86Config???
On Thu, 27 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: > On Thu, Aug 27, 1998 at 01:07:56AM -0500, Michael Shuey wrote: > > > Well my FULL debian sparc system has xbase and xsun installed and..works > > > fine with NO XF86Config file...and if I try to make one with xf86config > > > it fails :( > > > > This is because Xsun is not technically a part of XFree86. It's generated > > by > > the X Consortium's release of X. XFree just happens to include that source, > > or at least the source of the last publically released version, so it is > > possible to patch the code to make Xsun work with Linux/Sparc. Because of > > this programs like xf86config (and xvidtune, XF86Setup, etc.) do not apply. > > They only apply to XFree86, not to Xsun (or Xsgi, or any other servers that > > can be built with that source). > > A that explains it :) > > > > How can I tell it NOT to use the local fontpaths compiled in and > > > to use "inet/10.0.0.42:7100" > > > (then eventually ::fingers crossed:: 7101 if I can get xfstt hacked up to > > > u= > > > se > > > the proper endianess) > > > > RTFM :-) The Xsun man page (or the X man page, one of the two) documents > > the > > command line option. Yes, your font path will be a command line option to > > the > > X server. -fp 'tcp/10.0.0.42:7100' should do it, I think. > > The trick now becomes getting the X server to recognize these options. > > If > > you're starting your X server with startx, that's easy; use > > Nope no startx... > X -query > right from /etc/inittab Well, in that case, change inittab to X -query -fp 'tcp/1.2.3.4:1234' (Or whatever) Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Net boot with tftp
On Tue, 25 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: > On Tue, Aug 25, 1998 at 12:28:04PM +0100, Jules Bean wrote: > > On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: > > > > > I am doing some work on "Diskless XTerminals" > > > (http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux) > > > I decided to give it a try with my SUN IPC. > > > To do this I need a custom kernel so I built one with NFSROOT and bootp > > > both on. > > > > > > I did a make vmlinux in the kernel TLD mostly because I have found > > > "make zImage" and "make bzImage" to NOT work on the Sparc :( and > > > when i built my custom kernel (which I am currently using) on the sparc > > > I did a "make vmlinux" to make it... > > > > > > I rdev'd it to use /dev/nfs and placed it in /boot/ then made the > > > proper sym link so that my IPC could find it... > > > I used the exact same name as tftpboot.img used when I installed > > > Debian on my IPC...used the same IP adress et al > > > > > > I type "boot net" on the IPC and it loads the imageI see the hex > > > numbers > > > scroll up then it stops (like it finished loading) then it just sits there > > > > > > am I doing this wrong? > > > > > > I thought if I just built a kernel and placed it there it would load? is > > > tftpboot.img really anything more than a kernel and a initial ram > > > disk? > > > > > > any help is apreciated > > > > > > > Pad the file tftpboot.img to a multiple of 4 bytes long (with dd, for > > example. Search this mailing list for good approaches. > > > > okit was size (as reported by ls) 1166361 by my calcs needs 3 bytes > more to be a multiple of 4. > > so I do > dd if=vmlinux of=vmlinux- ibs=4 conv=sync > > and it comes out 1166364 > > Now if I boot net (after moving vmlinux- to vmlinux ;) ) > it starts to load,and counts up in hex > then rather than locking up and waiting for me to hit stop-a to > get back to the prom OK prompt > it just jumps right back to 'OK' without any error or anything > > under my i386 system I do: > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] sunboot]$file vmlinux > vmlinux: ELF 32-bit MSB executable, SPARC, version 1 > > hmmm any ideas? Yup. The PROM wants to boot an a.out style executable, not an ELF one. Have a look in arch/sparc in the kernel tree - there are utilities there which fix it up (look in the Makefile to see how it does it). There is, in particular, an elftoaout program in the kernel dist. There is also an example of how to append a RAM disk root image to the image (although you probably don't want/need to do this). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Net boot with tftp
On Mon, 24 Aug 1998, Stephen J. Carpenter wrote: > I am doing some work on "Diskless XTerminals" > (http://people.delphi.com/sjc/linux) > I decided to give it a try with my SUN IPC. > To do this I need a custom kernel so I built one with NFSROOT and bootp > both on. > > I did a make vmlinux in the kernel TLD mostly because I have found > "make zImage" and "make bzImage" to NOT work on the Sparc :( and > when i built my custom kernel (which I am currently using) on the sparc > I did a "make vmlinux" to make it... > > I rdev'd it to use /dev/nfs and placed it in /boot/ then made the > proper sym link so that my IPC could find it... > I used the exact same name as tftpboot.img used when I installed > Debian on my IPC...used the same IP adress et al > > I type "boot net" on the IPC and it loads the imageI see the hex numbers > scroll up then it stops (like it finished loading) then it just sits there > > am I doing this wrong? > > I thought if I just built a kernel and placed it there it would load? is > tftpboot.img really anything more than a kernel and a initial ram > disk? > > any help is apreciated > Pad the file tftpboot.img to a multiple of 4 bytes long (with dd, for example. Search this mailing list for good approaches. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
sparc autocompile
Johnie, I judge from the huge number of uploads the other night that you have the sparc auto-compile going. Would it be possible to have the output from your autocompiles on the debian-sparc webpages? I think that would be a useful thing (maybe only the BAD lines). Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: X *STILL* broken?
On 12 Aug 1998, John Goerzen wrote: > Is anybody doing anything about our X? It still crashes routinely. > xdm is largely unusable. When started with startx, it can still crash > after awhile and sometimes bring the system down with it. > > This has forced us to switch to RedHat on our Sparc machines. > Needless to say, I am very disappointed with that decision, but it is > correct -- our faculty do not want their machines to hang with a > frequency greater than you find on Microsoft. > > Why does X under RedHat-Sparc work flawlessly while X under > Debian-Sparc barely works at all? Is somebody going to do something > about it? Please? We're going to need more of a bug report than that, I'm afraid. X works fine for me (SS2/2.0.35/up-to-date slink). It also, I believe, works well for the X maintainer, Anders. What systems were you using? Kernel version? Libc version? Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
debian-sparc webpages, preliminary
Hi all, I have just cvs committed a preliminary release of the debian-sparc webpages. There is currently no link to these pages from the main site, and this is deliberate. I want some feedback before they go fully 'live'. debian-sparc people, please check the pages for information content, and if you have something relevant to add, email me. debian-www people, please consider the general layout, and comment, with particular respect to using these pages as a 'template' for when I start to move the other port pages back into the 'fold'. The URL is: http://www.debian.org/ports/sparc/ It may take up to 48 hours for this page to appear on your local mirror (but probably not that long). Many thanks for any input, Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
Re: Control-Z (was mount and ssh)
On Tue, 11 Aug 1998, Dave Broudy wrote: > I must just be lucky, as I never seem to have any of the problems > mentioned on the list :) But I don't have any problems with control-z on > my ss2. > > I'm using slink straight from ftp.us.debian.org. > Interesting. Would you mind telling me a bit more about your system? I'm trying to collect evidence on this transient bugs... specifically, kernel version, prom version, any hardware details you know that might be relevant.. Jules /+---+-\ | Jelibean aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | 6 Evelyn Rd| | Jules aka | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Richmond, Surrey | | Julian Bean | [EMAIL PROTECTED]| TW9 2TF *UK* | ++---+-+ | War doesn't demonstrate who's right... just who's left. | | When privacy is outlawed... only the outlaws have privacy. | \--/
