Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-24 Thread Geert Uytterhoeven
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 10:59 PM, Finn Thain fth...@telegraphics.com.au wrote:
 Why is CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG to be disabled? And why was

 See the discussion in the thread before this message.

 I've seen no discussion of this on debian-68k or linux-m68k. What
 discussion are you referring to?

 The subject of this thread (before you shortened it) was maintainer
 communication (was Re: Debian kernel regression, was Re: Modernizing a
 Macintosh LC III).

 That discussion covered both the usefulness of the serial console (i.e.
 CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG) and the problematic disappearance of
 CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK.

I guess it's about the crash on non-Mac when passing debug=serial.

Gr{oetje,eeting}s,

Geert

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Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-24 Thread Julien Cristau
On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 22:14:00 +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

 My intent in _this_ thread was to get a discussion among
 debian-ports.org users started for best practices of how
 to communicate with package maintainers in Debian. Sorry
 for being unclear there. I had hoped for hints ☺ since I
 know my communication skills lack somewhat.
 
debian-po...@lists.debian.org is an alias for *all* debian-$arch lists
for debian architectures.  It has nothing to do with debian-ports.org.
If you want a list for debian-ports.org users go create one, but please
don't abuse this one.

Thanks,
Julien


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Re: maintainer communication (was Re: Debian kernel regression, was Re: Modernizing a Macintosh LC III)

2013-12-23 Thread Finn Thain

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

  CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK=y and CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG=n

Why is CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG to be disabled? And why was 
CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK disabled?

 I think we need to file bugs in the BTS for each of these instances in 
 the future, instead of trying to communicate with the maintainers 
 directly.

Sure, if the BTS process would help avoid these mistakes. But I don't see 
how it can help when it is downstream of the kernel developers.

Finn


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Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Finn Thain dixit:

Why is CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG to be disabled? And why was 

See the discussion in the thread before this message.

CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK disabled?

It was never enabled. And that’s what you get when you let
a BSD guy whose Linux experience dates back to 2.0.3[3-6]
(and some 2.4.3) do the Debian/m68k Linux kernel config,
instead of someone who actually knows about this. I did
warn y’all back then. Now we got a config, and we can
incrementally improve it.

how it can help when it is downstream of the kernel developers.

Eh? Parse error.

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Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-23 Thread Michael Banck
Hi,

On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 04:47:30PM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
 Finn Thain dixit:
 
 Why is CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG to be disabled? And why was 
 
 See the discussion in the thread before this message.

I am not sure which thread you are meaning, and in general, I think
discussing random Linux kernel config options on -ports is off-topic.

Maybe you sent the initial mail to the wrong list?


Michael


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Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-23 Thread Finn Thain

On Mon, 23 Dec 2013, Thorsten Glaser wrote:

 Finn Thain dixit:
 
 Why is CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG to be disabled? And why was
 
 See the discussion in the thread before this message.

I've seen no discussion of this on debian-68k or linux-m68k. What 
discussion are you referring to?

The subject of this thread (before you shortened it) was maintainer 
communication (was Re: Debian kernel regression, was Re: Modernizing a 
Macintosh LC III).

That discussion covered both the usefulness of the serial console (i.e. 
CONFIG_SERIAL_PMACZILOG) and the problematic disappearance of 
CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK.

 
 CONFIG_EARLY_PRINTK disabled?
 
 It was never enabled.

Yes it was. See Modernizing a Macintosh LC III:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-68k/2013/11/msg00070.html

Finn


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Re: maintainer communication

2013-12-23 Thread Thorsten Glaser
Michael Banck dixit:

I am not sure which thread you are meaning, and in general, I think
discussing random Linux kernel config options on -ports is off-topic.

Indeed, that wasn’t the intent of this thread. I’ve continued
that particular discussion on debian-68k.

My intent in _this_ thread was to get a discussion among
debian-ports.org users started for best practices of how
to communicate with package maintainers in Debian. Sorry
for being unclear there. I had hoped for hints ☺ since I
know my communication skills lack somewhat.

bye,
//mirabilos
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