Perl 5.003-2 'use diagnostics' probs

[Dirk Bernhardt]

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Hi!

I just discovered that the files in /usr/lib/perl5/pod are chmod 440
(-r--r-), which makes it impossible to use the diagnostic feature
of perl5:

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

use diagnostics;
use strict;

as propagated in the Perl FAQ.

I chmoded them to 444, and now everything works.

Ciao,
- Krid -

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RE: [Fwd: Virus Alert]

[Casper BodenCummins]

On a similar note, if you have the modelines option set for vi (in
EXINIT or .exrc), the first and last 5 lines of the file can be executed
as vi or ex commands. Try the following for some fun:

echo "vi: :!ls -lR ~ :" >tmp.file
EXINIT="set ml" vi tmp.file

and wistfully watch all those files fly by. See ex(1) for details.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

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>From:  Daniel Lynes[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent:  19 August 1996 18:54
>To:Debian Users
>Cc:The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject:   Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]
>
>On Sat, 17 Aug 1996 05:47:04 +0300, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
>
>>However, stupid people can also write mail user programs that automatically
>>run a program that comes in e-mail. Even more stupid people use such 
>
>UltiMail/2 Lite for OS/2 (comes with the Internet Access Kit) has such
>a feature.  However, the program is not automatically run.  You need to
>double click on it to run it.
>
>>GNU Emacs had a similar feature (certain magic lines in a file could
>>run any Emacs commands automatically when the file was loaded -- and
>>Emacs commands are powerful indeed).
>
>GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature.  Very, very dangerous.
>
>

Help: need to fix ownership of /var/...

[Lazaro . Salem]

Reposting message with slight modifications as I haven't got any answer yet.
-
Hi, 

Some files under /var and /usr are normally owned by root:systemgroup 
were the string systemgroup above can be root, staff, adm , mail, news ...etc

Q: Will the bootup break something if the ownership of /var/... are set to 
root:root instead? 

The question is related to a mistake I made. Logged as root I typed,  

# cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users * 

and to change the ownership of the (hidden) files beginning with a period under 
/home/lds I typed in the hurry and by mistake: 

# chown -R lds:users ~/.*

Ouch! two errors in one line:  `~' is interpreted as /root and `*' expands to 
`.' among others like .. which 
the whole system tree. By the time I pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the 
ownership of /root, /home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr to lds:users.
To fix this I first saved a list of the "damaged" files

# find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds  users" >> \ 
> /floppy/fix_me.lst 

where $dir were set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownership of /root and 
/home by hand and then halted the system with 

# shutdown -r now

so I could fix the ownership problem   from an "emergency" Debian 1.1. base 
system I have on a separate 16MB partition.

Specifically I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are 
written at boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown too! :-( 
On the messed up system I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and swap) 
on separate partitions if that info is useful to you.

>From the listing I saved in the file fix_me.lst on the floppy, I know _which_ 
files have the wrong ownership. What I do not know is what was the original 
ownership, although for some of the files I can check the emergency 
minimal base system on the 16MB partition. 

My present idea to fix this problem is:
1) Set the ownership to root:root to all the files listed in /floppy/fix_me.lst 

2) Fix by hand those who should be owned by other system group (like adm,  mail,
news,...etc). Those files present in the base system should not pose any 
problem, as I can just check the clean emergency minimal base system. Or maybe I
am missing something? 

However it is not completely clear to me how to deal with some files which may 
have been created after installing non-base packages. 
Q: May they have had different from root:root ownership too?.

Another possibility would be to:
1') Remove (not purge) all the packages I installed on top of the base
system. 
2') Fix ownership of included in base files by checking with the minimal base
system.
3') Reinstall packages

Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for any idea/suggestion/pointer,

Lazaro 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Re: OS/2 HPFS File System - Is this a Bug? + a note for the list maintainers

[Martin Str|mberg]

Hello.

First a little note if you have seen this message already:
I'm having problems getting the mail go futher than the network the machine
I'm on, so sorry if you see this for the nth time.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
> 
> I'm running OS/2 Warp with HPFS on several of my drives.
> 
> I noticed that Linux 1.1 fdisk reveals two different file system
> identifiers for these
> HPFS partitions:
> 
>   /dev/sda5  id 7  OS/2 HPFS
> 
>   /dev/hda2  id 17 Unknown
> 
> 
> The Unknown partition type (id 17) was created by OS/2 Warp fdisk during
> the installation process.  It is also a primary partition.
> 
> The HPFS partition type (id 7) was created by OS/2 Warp after
> installation.  Note that this is an extended partition.
> 
> Has anybody else observed the two different identifers for HPFS
> filesystems?  Is this a Bug?  Linux produces some error messages when
> mounting the id 17 filesystem but it everything seems to work ok.  I
> didn't observe any error messages when mounting the id 7 filesystem
> which also works fine.
> 
> OS/2 Warp doesn't complain at all.
> 
> 

I already sent a mail about this but it didn't reach the debian list to my 
knowledge, so here I go again. Sorry if somebody gets this twice.

Yes. I have this behaviour in my system as well, although in my case it's
a FAT partition. I have two primary ones on my first hard disk, so one is 
always hidden (for DOZ and OS/2).

When I check out the partion types with fdisk under Linux I see that the 
partition that is considered hidden has id 16 in contrast to the one that 
isn't hidden, id 6. Then if I make the hidden one unhidden (and the other 
one hidden) the ids have changed places.


How about that,

MartinS

Re: output of shutdown -h now

[Richard G. Roberto]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Justin Ennis wrote:

> I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
> months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
> at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
> submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.
> 
> I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
> I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
> 
> System halted
> general protection: 
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
> EFLAGS: 00010046
> eax: 5307  ebx: 0001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 
> esi: bf0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
> ds:   es:   fs:   gs:   ss: 0018
> Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
> Stack:  0246 002b 0011002b 0018 00710018 00714810 bf0c 
> 08000e4a
> bdc0 0011231e 0003  0009 001cc40a 0010a482 
> fee1dead
> 28121969 cdef0123 bf0c 08000e4a bdc0 ffda 0803002b 
> 0010002b
> Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
> Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84
> 
> I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
> or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
> all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
> help that you may possibly be able to give.
> 
> Justin Ennis
> 

I get this periodically for no reason.  I've been a little
busy, and haven't had time to pay attention to it, but It is
distressing.  I'm using the upstream 2.0.12 kernel sources
with the kernel-package package.  I really just assumed that
the 2.0.x kernels need some work in the area of exception
handling.  They seem to hickup a little too easily.

Richard G. Roberto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
201-739-2886 - whippany, nj


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How to use win32gcc

[wilbert]

Hi guys,

Does anyone of you know how to use the win32gcc package? Did I miss some
documenation or websites? Am I right when I assume that with this package
I can compile and link c++ programs which are runnable on a windows
machine?

Greetings, 
Wilbert.

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Re: Dpkg feature request

[David M. Cooke]

Bruce Perens wrote:
> I think this is _almost_ right. What you need is to copy the dpkg status
> file in a way that marks the packages as selected _but_not_installed_ on
> the second system. It would take a script to do this, because you don't want
> to take anything that got installed in the base and mark it as "selected but
> not installed". However, having the
> capability to make lists of selections and pass them around would be nice.
> Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?
> 
> --select package-name [package-name ...]
> Selects a list of packages for later installation.
> --deselect package-name [package-name ...]
> De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
> --list-selected
> Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a 
> list
> passed to --select.
> 
> There may well be flags to do this now, but I've missed them.
> This would allow you to set up the selections via a shell script or something,
> and then start dselect to fine-tune what you have selected.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Bruce

This is a great idea!  Its exactly what I've been wishing for.  I'd be
able to get one system installed right and then cruise through the
installation of the other 29 systems here.

It would also be nice to have an option in dselect to pick this method
of selection.  Then if minor tweaks need to be made to what's selected
they can be done in the normal manor before proceeding with the install.
But this is just cosmetic.  The options you suggest would make me very
happy.

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re: X11 and LaTeX minimal install

[Joshua Stockwell]

Different people maintain different packages. One of the main
strengths of debian is that there is an "expert" who is in control of
a package. A minimal X installation is quite large. It would be very
unfair to expect someone(who donates their time) to be able to
maintain such complex programs as xdm, fvwm, and and several xservers
all at once.

-Josh Stockwell

>>> A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
>>> but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
>>> installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
>>> minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> Billy C.-M. Chow  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Debian Linux

Re: Can't remove sendmail with dselect/dpkg

[Miro Torrielli]

John Houwen wrote:
> 
> Miro,
> 
> I appreciate your comments, but that is part of the problem ... smail
> *won't* install unless sendmail is removed!  At the same time, dpkg
> refuses to remove sendmail unless smail is installed ... like Catch-22 :)
> 
> Sorry about the mis-understanding ...
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Sun, 18 Aug 1996, Miro Torrielli wrote:
> 
> > John Houwen wrote:
> > >
> < ascii deleted>
> > > Can anyone help with this?
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Sounds strange. Anyway, the simplest way would probably be to
> > install smail, and then remove sendmail :-)
> >
> >

Allright, I get it now. What you gotta do to remove sendmail is
edit the "status" file in /var/lib/dpkg. This is the file that
dpkg relies upon to perform its main functions. What you have to do
is search the file for the sendmail section, and remove smail from
the "depends upon" line (or possibly some other line).

Good luck...:-)

Re: Please explain Motif issues (was: StarOffice under Debian)

[J.H.M.Dassen]

> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?

Please clarify what you mean by "the issues".

> Why is Motif hard to come by 

Because it is commercial software. You have to pay for it.
Several vendors sell Motif for Linux. See the "Linux Commercial HOWTO",
section "Product groups", subsection "X Windows related products" for 
details.

> and what is Lesstif?

Lesstif (http://www.hungry.com/products/) is a freeware clone of Motif
1.2. Once it is finished, you can use it to compile or run code that
requires Motif.

Hope this helps,
Ray
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Re: X11 and LaTeX minimal install

[Erick Branderhorst]

> If people are pulling the packages over a phone line there is an advantage to
> limitting the size of individual packages.  That way they can hang up the
> phone periodically.  Also, if a bug shows up that needs to be fixed they
> only have to download the package that is broken.

There is a plan to split all packages in parts of 460k if they are 460k or
bigger.  However the installation tools aren't supporting this yet.

Erick 

Re: Not keeping correct time

[Vebjorn Forsmo]

Shaya Potter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Whenever I try to do a netdate to any site, I get a connection refused 
> error, I done both tcp and udp.  Could it be because I am behind a firewall?

Don't know if this will help, but the xntp-docs says the following
about ntpdate:

   -u
  Direct ntpdate to use an unprivileged port or outgoing packets.
  This is most useful when behind a firewall that blocks incoming
  traffic to privileged ports, and you want to synchronise with
  hosts beyond the firewall. Note that the -d option always uses
  unprivileged ports.

Vebby

Re: Debian quirks?

[Vebjoern Forsmo]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Bruce Perens wrote:

> From: Vebjoern Forsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > /etc/inittab:
> > 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root /dev/tty1 2>&1
> 
> Login does have a built-in 60-second timeout at the "password:" prompt,
> and might have a timeout at the "login:" prompt too, I don't remember.

The above line puts you right at the password: prompt, so the 60 second
password timeout is the cause of the problem.

> If you run a more normal getty/login on this terminal, you won't have the
> problem. If you insist on doing it this way, you might have to hack the
> source code if you can't find a solution in the login man page.

I've changed this back to a "normal" entry, but the above is what was
installed by the bootdisks available sometime around the beginning of
August when I installed Debian on a server.  Sysvinit 2.64-1 has a normal
looking inittab.

Anyway, there was a comment too:

# This is the only special line - the rest is straight from the normal inittab.
1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root /dev/tty1 2>&1

> > Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.
> /tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

I too thought about doing it this way, but I'm a bit unsure about what
happens if the partition /var/tmp resides on can't be mounted? (Are there
any important programs that depend upon /tmp?)

Vebby

Intel EtherExpress Pro/10+ PCI Lan Adapter Driver Wanted

[Bill Bumgarner]

Howdy!

I just picked up the LAN adapter mentioned in the subject;  it  
replaces a Cogent BusMaster 960 that sporadically locked up under heavy load  
[ick!].

It works perfectly under my primary OS-- NEXTSTEP-- but I can't  
find a driver that works for Linux.  The driver that drives the Pro/100 does  
NOT work with this card.

The card uses an 82557 Intel Ethernet Controller.

Anyone know of a working driver for it or someone who is  
developping said driver and needs an alpha/beta tester?  I have a second,  
very slow Linux system with a full-blown development environment, so  
building a custom kernel to whatever version is necessary is not a problem.

thanks,
b.bum

Help: how to fix ownership of /var /.. ?

[Lazaro . Salem]

(reposting looking forward to get some answers)

Hi Debian-users, 

Some files under /var and /usr are normally owned by root:systemgroup 
were the string systemgroup above can be root, staff, adm , mail, news ...etc

Q: Will the bootup break something if the ownership of /var/... are set to 
root:root instead? 

I am asking this because I want to be sure how to fix the following mistake. 
Logged as root I typed,  

# cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users * 

and to change the ownership of the (hidden) files beginning with a period under 
/home/lds I typed in the hurry and by mistake: 

# chown -R lds:users ~/.*

Ouch! two errors in one line :-( 
`~' is interpreted as /root and `*' expands to `.' among others like .. which 
the whole system tree. By the time I pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the 
ownership of /root, /home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr to lds:users.
To fix this I first saved a list of the "damaged" files

# find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds  users" >> \ 
> /floppy/fix_me.lst 

where $dir were set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownership of /root and 
/home by hand and then halted the system with 

# shutdown -r now

so I could fix the ownership problem   from an "emergency" Debian 1.1. base 
system I have on a separate 16MB partition.

Specifically I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are 
written at boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown too! :-( 
On the messed up system I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and swap) 
on separate partitions if that info is useful to you.

>From the listing I saved in the file fix_me.lst on the floppy, I know _which_ 
files have the wrong ownership. What I do not know is what was the original 
ownership, although for some of the files I can check the emergency 
minimal base system on the 16MB partition. 

My present idea to fix this problem is:
1) Set the ownership to root:root to all the files listed in /floppy/fix_me.lst 

2) Fix by hand those who should be owned by other system group (like adm,  mail,
news,...etc). Those files present in the base system should not pose any 
problem, as I can just check the clean emergency minimal base system. Or maybe I
am missing something? 

However it is not completely clear to me how to deal with some files which may 
have been created after installing non-base packages. 
Q: May they have had different from root:root ownership too?.

Another possibility would be to:
1') Remove (not purge) all the packages I installed on top of the base
system. 
2') Fix ownership of included in base files by checking with the minimal base
system.
3') Reinstall packages

Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
greatly appreciated. Thank you very much for any idea/suggestion/pointer,

Lazaro 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 

Re: Netscape Library Error

[Michael Meskes]

Eric Liu writes:
> Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields
> netscape: can't load library 'libXpm.so.4'

Install xpm4.7. That'll help.

> The installations did not complain of missing dependencies.  I can't

Should we add one here? I think so.

Michael

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Re: Dpkg feature request

[Heiko Schlittermann]

Bruce Perens wrote:
: 
: Thus, I'll ask Ian Jackson. How about three flags to dpkg?
: 
:   --select package-name [package-name ...]
:   Selects a list of packages for later installation.
:   --deselect package-name [package-name ...]
:   De-selects a list of packages for later removal.
:   --list-selected
:   Lists selected packages in a way suitable for inclusion in a 
list
:   passed to --select.
: 

I'd vote for these flags too ... (It would it make possible to create
lists for somewhat more customized systems (TeXt Processing, Network
Server, Software Development ...).) 

Heiko
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Re: Fix for your serial/PPP problems

[Philippe Troin]

On Wed, 21 Aug 1996 00:23:16 EDT renald loignon ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
> following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
> overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
> and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
> me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.
[mail copy snipped]

I've browsed through the web page, and this just looks sensible to me.
The question is: why isn't this part of standard kernel ?

Phil.

Re: kernel size

[Hamish Moffatt]

> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
> option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
> handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
> scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
> configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If something
> goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit the
> configure option. Good Idea.

One thing I find a bit annoying with dselect/dpkg is the way it checks
the version of EVERY package when you pick Install. Last night I did
an NFS installation (and the remote source was from CD-ROM), and this
step was very slow. Can anything be done about this, eg trusting
the packages list instead of looking for newer versions, or whatever?

Also, how does dselect cope if it doesn't have the root debian tree?
For the past few days I've been fiddling a lot and I've had the
Debian CD in my CD-ROM drive all the time, but I'm about to lend it
to someone. Will dselect still work with nothing but a local directory,
or should I just use dpkg by hand?



thanks,
Hamish

Re: Please explain Motif issues (was: StarOffice under Debian)

[James A. Robinson]

> Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
> issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?

Motif is a set of "proprietary" libraries licensed by OSF.  So it
costs money to get them.  I've bought them for $99.00 at InfoMagic
(http://www.infomagic.com), but I've heard some people quote and
amazingly low price of $40.00.  Normally one sees them going for
$200.00 or so.

Lesstif is an attempt to duplicate the API of Motif, without using the
proprietary source code.  They want to allow anybody to compile and
run Motif programs using Lesstif.  Lesstif is free, and is put out by
the Hungry Programmers (http://www.hungry.com).  As far as I can tell,
it is still very unstable, and not usable for something like
StarOffice.  But others who have actually used it should speak up.


Jim

Re[2]: Need help to set right ownerships

[Lazaro . Salem]

Hi Ken,

Yes.. I know that should have made in a different way and yours is one of the 
possibilities (provided that there are not files beginning with two dots like 
/home/lds/..a_weird_name_for a file. I know that under the ksh I could have 
used 
 # cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds:users .[!.]* .??* *) 
to match all files which do not begin with two dots (like ..) AND the files 
which begin with two dots but have more than two characters like ..a 
:-( :-(

But now that I made the mistake I need to fix it! :-)?
I have not done yet, still waiting for suggestions. 
Thanks,

lazaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
__ Reply Separator _
Subject: Re: Need help to set right ownerships
Author:  debian-user@lists.debian.org at cclink
Date:21.08.96 02:45


At 12:04 PM 8/20/96 cet, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
>Logged as root I did: 
>
># cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more
>
>and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot files
>I typed: 
>
># chown -R lds:users ~/.*
>
>Uc!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my two 
>mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of /root, 
>/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.
>
>I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds  
>users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root and 
>/home by hand and the I typed  
>
># shutdown -r now
>
>That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything when
having
>more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB partition.
>I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are written at 
>boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
>Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and 
>swap) on separate partitions.
>
>Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know what 
>should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to root:root to
the 
>files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by other
system 
>group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by fixing
file by
>file, i.e., 
>0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
>1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential (base), 
>2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have one).
>3)Reinstalling again the packages.
>
>Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
>greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
>I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
>my private e-mail. Thank you very much,
>
>Lazaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>
>
>

You should have used chown -R lds:users ./.[a-zA-Z]*
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Re: latex: can't find default format file

[Philippe Troin]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 22:27:58 EDT Tom Fawcett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:

> I installed Debian just last night (coming from Redhat) and I'm impressed
> with it so far.  One trouble though: I installed latex and related tex
> packages, but when I run latex I get "can't find default format file".
> AFAIK this indicates the kpathsea path information wasn't set up correctly.
> The configuration succeeded as far as I can tell.  I looked for the texhash
> script but couldn't find it.
> 
> I don't have any tex-related environment variables set, and since I'm
> running this right out of the box I'm a little surprised it's not
> configured properly.
> 
> How do I fix this?  Any hints appreciated.

No, this is a Debian bug. More generally, to close a few security holes and fix 
some bugs, log into ftp://ftp.debian.org/pub/debian/Debian-1.1-updates and get 
all the packages there. You'll also grab an update for mflib which will fix the 
problem.

If you use latex, you'll probably have problems with font later, and try to 
download  mfbasfnt_1.0-5 from the rex/binary/tex section and 
mfdcfnt_1.0-1_all.deb from the non-free/binary section.

Good luck !

Phil.

Re: #1, make it boot! Engage.

[salwen]

>s> Is it possible that you have a disk that is bigger than your bios rom
>s> knows how to handle?
>How can I tell if the BIOS is going to handle it? 
Well, if you needed to load a special driver to run DOS with the disk then
the BIOS dowsn't handle it.  Since you have less than 1024 cylinders on the
disk I don't think this is the problem, though.

Sorry I'm not of more help.

Nathan

Re: X11 and LaTeX minimal install

[salwen]

> A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
>but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
>installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
>minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?

The developers may have their own reasons for breaking up the packages
but I can suggest a couple.

If people are pulling the packages over a phone line there is an advantage to
limitting the size of individual packages.  That way they can hang up the
phone periodically.  Also, if a bug shows up that needs to be fixed they
only have to download the package that is broken.

Nathan

Re: PPP Manual Dial?

[Mike Schmitz]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jean Orloff wrote

-- extra stuff deleted --

> is getting on my nerves (and I won't let my wife or kids do that...). So what 
> I
> would like is some graphical front-end to pppd, displaying the status, and
> with buttons to start/stop a connection. This could be started by root at boot
> time, solving the suid problems. (I tried 
>   chmod a+s /usr/sbin/pppd /usr/sbin/chat; 
>   chmod a+rx /etc/ppp/chat* 
> but no way I could fire a ppp session as a simple mortal user...). Including a
> prompt for the password in such a setup would be relatively trivial.
> 
> Does anyone know of something of this kind? I vaguely saw a related tool for
> diald: a good hint? Come on: we could easily do better than windoze and the
> uggly trumpet winsock on this one, and this is a huge selling argument!
> 
> Amities,
> 
>   Jean Orloff
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
> +Tel:(33)50.09.16.75   Fax:(33)50.09.94.95   http://lapphp0.in2p3.fr/~orloff/+
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   ++
> "The pistol of a flower is its only protections agenst insects."
> >From science exams at high-school.
> + +   +   +   +   +   +   +   +
> 
>

I use TKppp. I believe I got it from sunsite. I made a few modifications 
to suit my personality, but it it is mostly stock. It does auto-redial, 
auto-reconnect, and pings at an interval (user-defined) to keep your ISP 
from shutting you off if you take too long reading your mail :-\.

 
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Re: *REPRODUCIBLE CRASH* with 2.0.12 kernel (earlier kernels also)

[Bruce Perens]

From: Randy Gobbel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> but when I try to run it on a relatively large password
> file, I get a system freeze after running for around 45 minutes.

Watch its memory usage, and see if it is using up your swap space.
It's probably dying when memory usage gets to a particular value.
You might be able to get around the problem by adding swap space.
Of course it should fail more gracefully than hanging the system.

> Deleted inode 281219 has zero dtime.

We have allocated the inode in /usr/src/linux/fs/ext/ialloc.c, but we
have not gotten to use it for something (or that something did not get
its block written from the RAM cache to disk before the crash). Harmless.

If you want to help track down a kernel bug, please subscribe to
[EMAIL PROTECTED] . They can handle it a lot better than
we can.

Thanks

Bruce

Re: (yet again) [Fwd: Virus Alert]

[Bill Roman]

"Rick Macdonald wrote:"
> 
> On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Christopher R. Hertel wrote:
> 
> > : Not true. You can't get a virus from reading an email message.
> > 
> > Actually, that depends upon your E'mail system.  [...]
> > 
> > ...but that's a hole in Microsoft mail.  Obviously, this kind of thing
> > could not be done via the standard Unix mail system (unless you had a
> > MIME-aware mail reader that was willing to run Java code for you...
> > Oooops!)
> 
> Actually...
> 
> I don't use emacs for email, but apparently its mail reader uses the emacs
> "enable-local-variables" feature. And, apparently, some mischief can be
> done by this mechanism. [...]
> 
> Perhaps someone on the list is more familiar with this issue and emacs
> mail.

See Linux Journal #24 (April 1996) for an interesting article on this
and related topics.  Nutshell synopsis: be *very* careful with your
MIME mail setup!

-- 
Bill Roman  ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / [EMAIL PROTECTED])   running linux

Re: output of shutdown -h now

[Bruce Perens]

From: Justin Ennis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
> I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
> System halted
> general protection: 
> CPU: 0
> EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
> EFLAGS: 00010046
> eax: 5307  ebx: 0001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 
> esi: bf0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
> ds:   es:   fs:   gs:   ss: 0018
> Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
> Stack:  0246 002b 0011002b 0018 00710018 00714810 bf0c 
> 08000e4a
> bdc0 0011231e 0003  0009 001cc40a 0010a482 
> fee1dead
> 28121969 cdef0123 bf0c 08000e4a bdc0 ffda 0803002b 
> 0010002b
> Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
> Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84

My fault. I put the APM driver in the generic kernel. If you get a later
kernel (or build your own custom one) it will get better. It's trying to
call the APM power-off function to turn off your system.

BrucE

RE: kernel size (was: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to work?)

[Bruce Perens]

From: Casper BodenCummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> IMHO, a better alternative to the large, best-endeavours kernel would be
> to ship a really tight kernel and use the installation front-end to
> configure additional support (in modules where possible or desirable).

The stripped-down kernel for 1.2 is currently 362K compressed,
a good deal smaller than the generic one for 1.1 . And that was with
AX.25 included in the kernel (because it's not modularized and I wanted
to experiment with it). The final one will no doubt be smaller.
As far as I can tell, everything that I left out of it is working in module
form. However, some of the modules do not auto-configure the device addresses,
while the linked in version of the same driver does. We might have to help the
user a bit with this, but hopefully it will be less of a mess than the
situation we have now, in which the generic kernel can't be made to work for
everyone.

Thanks

Bruce

configuring packages as a separate step

[Bruce Perens]

From: Casper BodenCummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step.

There may be a bit of misunderstanding here. I did an update of my system
from the "rex" (unstable) directory today using the FTP method of dselect.
Updating from "rex" is a good way to get new bugs, but developers have to
do that. Anyway, the system downloaded and installed all the updated packages
and then configured all of the updated packages. Is this not what your system
does?

In any case, you can use "dselect" to _select_ all of the packages you
want, and then exit dselect and run "dpkg" to install and then select
the ones you've selected. You'll have to figure out the right flags,
but you should be able to separate the installation and configuration
steps. I think this is exactly what "dselect" does - it just runs
"dpkg" once to install, and once to configure.

Am I not understanding the problem?

Thanks

Bruce

Re: #1, make it boot! Engage.

[Bruce Perens]

From: "Charles A. Schuman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> # fdisk  (then "p")
>  Device Boot Begin Start  End  Blocks   Id  System
> /dev/sda1  *1  1251   513891   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
> /dev/sda2 252252976 1484437+  83  Linux native
> /dev/sda3 977977   1003   55282+  82  Linux swap

Note the "*" is next to the DOS partition.
This will cause the DOS partition to boot, because it's marked as
the "Boot" partition. I'm not sure what MBR (master
boot record) you have. If you have the Debian one, holding the shift key
down while the system boots will cause a "123FA: " prompt (or something
similar). Press 2 and see if Linux comes up.

If you have the DOS MBR, you won't get that prompt. Use FDISK (on DOS or
Linux) or "activate" on Linux to set /dev/sda2 to be the "Boot" partition.
That will also set the _default_ partition booted by the Debian MBR.

> The drive is a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).

Are you sure it's not an IPTMCTWTSFN? That means "I Paid Too Much Compared
to What They Sell For Now". I have a whole room full of those. :-)

> Here's the messed up lilo.conf on what now is /target/etc/lilo.conf:
>
> boot=/dev/sda2
> root=/dev/sda2
> install=/target/boot/boot.b
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> image=/target/boot/vmlinuz
> label=Linux

That looks like an OK lilo.conf but it's living on the sda2 partition
(as it should), and you need to set that "Boot" designation or you'll
never run it.

> I can't even begin to speculate on what this is all doing.

At boot time, the boot ROM loads the first block of the disk. The first
446 bytes of that block contain the MBR. The next 66 bytes are the
partition table. If the MBR starts with the right byte pattern, the ROM
jumps into its code. The MBR looks for first partition in the table
with the "Boot" flag set. The first block (maybe more - I don't know)
of that partition is loaded, and the MBR jumps to that code. In your case
that should be what LILO wrote, but the flag is on the wrong partition so
you boot (or try to boot) the DOS partition instead.

Bruce

Fixing timezone info in Debian

[David Sewell]

I've just set up Debian 1.1.5, and have run into one small
but annoying problem right away.  The only option the setup
gave me for time zone was US - Mountain.  Which I chose, with
the result that my system is now reporting Mountain Daylight
Time (with the correct GMT time, since I set it in hardware).

Problem is, most of Arizona doesn't observe Daylight time.
Good old Slackware used to let me select US/Arizona, which
got things right.

Is there a source that has a wider variety of timezone files than
come in the standard /usr/lib/zoneinfo?  Or am I expected to 
figure out zic(8) and roll my own???
-- 
David Sewell  *  [EMAIL PROTECTED]   | "The sleeping are workmen
Dep't of Geosciences, Univ. of Arizona  |  (and fellow-workers) in
 WWW: http://packrat.aml.arizona.edu/~dsew/ |  what happens in the world."
|  --Heraclitus

Re: Fix for your serial/PPP problems

[renald loignon]

Could someone knowledgeable in low-level kernel matters take a look at the
following?  I looked at the Web page, and though it sounds interesting
overall (and it WOULD solve a serial problem I experienced with Debian 1.1.1
and kernel 2.0.6), there appear to be some technical inaccuracies which give
me second thoughts. Any comments appreciated.

"Craig A. Estey" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
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[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],
[EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED]

>Hi, Folks
>
>All of you have posted problems with serial/PPP to comp.os.linux.* newsgroups
>(under various heading listed at the end of this message).
>
>I had exactly the same problems.  I did some microsecond resolution performance
>profiling of the kernel.  I found a kernel bug and devised a fix.
>I have been scanning the groups and have not found a similar fix anywhere.
>
>Online documentation (FAQ format) that explains all (the *real* problem is
>IRQ priority):
>   http://www.best.com/~cae/irqtune
>
>The entire package:
>   ftp://www.best.com/pub/cae/irqtune.tgz
>
>I've been running the patch for over a month and I tripled the throughput
>of my 33.6 modem from 700 chars/sec to over 2500 chars/sec.  It also fixes
>data dropouts.
>
>I'm going to post this to the newsgroups but I need some testing in various
>configurations.
>
>Please give it a try. I'd greatly appreciate your feedback via email.
>Send your configuration data, what performance you got, what you think.
>
>Thanks,
>Craig Estey
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>---
>Subjects:
>> Erratic IP forwarding via PPP
>> Hanging file transfers (ppp,linux 1.2.13)
>> Has SLIP gotten slower in 2.0.x?
>> Help with pppd error messages in syslog
>> How to measure speed of my  link
>> Linux:/PPP dead end! Do I need NT?
>> Modem quits after 20 seconds
>> Modem trouble (Need Help)
>> NFS over PPP usable?
>> Only getting half my bandwidth through modem (ftp)
>> PPP 2.2.0f connect to Xylogics Annex 4000 hangs
>> PPP Slowness
>> PPP hangs while sending large files
>> PPP problem even after looking at many references/posts to no avail
>> PPP routing problem
>> PPP unreliable
>> PPPD Problem w/ Pentium & Kernel 2.0.7
>> Q: SLIP comm waits on IDE disk
>> RTS/CTS flow control problems with Motorola BSP
>> Re: *very* slow SLIP
>> Re: Has SLIP gotten slower in 2.0.x?
>> Re: How to get precise interrupt timing? (reading RC PPM signal)
>> Re: PPP slow (450bytes/sec)
>> Re: PPP throughput, tuning, & network info
>> Re: Serial port problem with Linux-2.0.x (x > 3)
>> Re: Slow -> halt modem
>> Serial port problem with Linux-2.0.x (x > 3)
>> Speeding up telnet?
>> TCP connections and degrading performance
>> Unexplained PPPD hangups.
>> Weird PPP Latency Effect
>> help I have a very slow ppp connection
>> modem trouble(help)
>> ppp setup problem
>> ppp2.0.d problems. It a BUG or a configuration mistake 
>> ppp: frame with bad fcs
>> serial handing bug in 2.0.12?

Re: output of shutdown -h now

[renald loignon]

>I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
>months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
>at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
>submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.
>
>I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
>I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:
>
>System halted
>general protection: 
>CPU: 0
>EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
>EFLAGS: 00010046
>eax: 5307  ebx: 0001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 
>esi: bf0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
>ds:   es:   fs:   gs:   ss: 0018
>Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
>Stack:  

>I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
>or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
>all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
>help that you may possibly be able to give.

I had the same symptom with Debian 1.1 with kernel 2.0.0, and it went away
when I reinstalled with the mid-July base disks with kernel 2.0.6.  I hope
this helps...

Re: module cdu31a fails on insert

[Dirk . Eddelbuettel]

  Todd>  Is there any chance you have checked the bootparm-howto?
  Todd> 
  Todd> http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw ??  

If you install Debian's doc-linux package, they are also at
/usr/doc/HOWTO/*

As the doc-linux package is updated monthly with the upstream HOWTOs, you
should always look for the newest one in unstable/binary-all/doc. Safe to
install on any system as it's only text. Hard to put a bug into that :-)

--
Dirk Eddelb"uttel http://qed.econ.queensu.ca/~edd

latex: can't find default format file

[Tom Fawcett]

I installed Debian just last night (coming from Redhat) and I'm impressed
with it so far.  One trouble though: I installed latex and related tex
packages, but when I run latex I get "can't find default format file".
AFAIK this indicates the kpathsea path information wasn't set up correctly.
The configuration succeeded as far as I can tell.  I looked for the texhash
script but couldn't find it.

I don't have any tex-related environment variables set, and since I'm
running this right out of the box I'm a little surprised it's not
configured properly.

How do I fix this?  Any hints appreciated.

Thanks,
-Tom

Re: vfat/msdos depend on fat

[Doug Federman]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Michael Meskes wrote:

> Jean Orloff writes:
> > Since I'm there: `ps` is also broken in my custom 2.0.0 kernel. It complains
> > about being unable to find libproc.so. Any chance this may be cured at the 
> > same
> > time? I got into the trouble of making a custom kernel because of the PS/2
> > mouse problem amply mentionned before...
> 
> Try re-installing the proc package. There may be a bug in the postinst.
> 
> Michael
> 
> -- 
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> Use Debian Linux!| //_/  /_/  //\___/_/  //
> 
> 

--
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Medical College of Ohio Fax   419-382-0354
3000 Arlington Ave. Email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: output of shutdown -h now

[Jeppe Sigbrandt]

> I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
> months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,

In that case you might want to try the archives.
You will get a much speedier response from there, I'm sure :).
Sorry can't answer your question.

Regards,
jay> 

#1, make it boot! Engage.

[Charles A. Schuman]

This is my original post 

cas> I've a kernel on the /dev/sda2 partition in the /boot directory,
cas> and it's called vmlinuz.   My boot partition doesn't seem to be set
cas> correctly, because it's not booting /dev/sda2 as root.  Instead, it
cas> displays "Loading Linux ", then "boot: " and then 
cas> "Loading Linux " again in an endless loop. 

Bruce replies:
b> Can you make it boot using a floppy disk kernel? You should be able to
b> boot the installation root disk with the command
b> "linux root=XXX", and have it come up on your hard disk root (I'm
b> assuming you have a hard disk root already installed). Send me your
b> lilo.conf .

I used the debian boot and root disks (root is now a ram drive)
and I've mounted my original root drive on /target.  From there,
I've tried to re-lilo.  Here's the scoop:

# mount
/dev/ramdisk0 on / type minix (rw)
proc on /proc type proc (rw)
/dev/sda2 on /target type ext2 (rw)

# df
Filesystem1024 blocks Used  Available Capacity  Mounted on
/dev/ramdisk0 14041237 167  88%/
/dev/sda2  1436388  392333  969834  29%/target

# fdisk  (then "p")
   Device Boot Begin Start  End  Blocks   Id  System
/dev/sda1  *1  1251   513891   6  DOS 16-bit >=32M
/dev/sda2 252252976 1484437+  83  Linux native
/dev/sda3 977977   1003   55282+  82  Linux swap

salwen replies:
s> Is it possible that you have a disk that is bigger than your bios rom
s> knows how to handle?  Or that you changed the kernel but didn't run
s> lilo again?

Yes, to both. The disk is large and I may not have run lilo _properly_
when I updated the kernel image stored as /boot/vmlinuz. I ran lilo.

The drive is a SLED (Single Large Expensive Disk).
What if I had drives in a RAID (Redundant Array of Inexpensive Disks)?  
How can I tell if the BIOS is going to handle it?  I think I have a 
rom on the controller that supports the large drives and supports hardware
RAID (And Linux supports software RAID in the new kernel!)

Here's the messed up lilo.conf on what now is /target/etc/lilo.conf:

boot=/dev/sda2
root=/dev/sda2
install=/target/boot/boot.b
vga=normal
delay=20
image=/target/boot/vmlinuz
label=Linux

I can't even begin to speculate on what this is all doing.  I know the
kernel supports the hardware.  After the install of 2.0.0, I compiled
2.0.10, installed it, ran lilo, booted.  Then I compiled 2.0.13, installed
it, ran lilo, and didn't boot. I tried running lilo again, after booting
from the install floppys, then I edited lilo.conf as seen above and tried
again.   Is there any hope?

Charles

PS.  Sorry if I've sent duplicate copies when replying to the people
who've replied to my first post.  Thank you for your encouragement.

RE: kernel size (was: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to work?)

[Casper BodenCummins]

There probably wouldn't quite be room to include the kitchen sink. :->

IMHO, a better alternative to the large, best-endeavours kernel would be
to ship a really tight kernel and use the installation front-end to
configure additional support (in modules where possible or desirable).

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>--
>From:  David J. Evans[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent:  16 August 1996 14:12
>To:'debian-user@lists.debian.org'
>Cc:The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject:   Re: kernel size (was: How do I get GATEWAY2000 PS/2 mouse to
>work?)
>
>
>On Thu, 15 Aug 1996 10:04:04 +0100 Casper BodenCummins 
><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>[snipped stuff about PS/2 support not being present by 
>default ]
>
>> The real question is whether the default kernel should be bloated with
>> features, or pared down.
>
>As a brand new Debian user who didn't even know how to 
>spell Colonel until recently, and who has been caught out 
>by the lack of PS/2 support, I'd vote for a large 
>"everything and the kitchen sink" kernel to cover most 
>eventualities.  This will give heart to new-users and 
>upgraders, and can trimmed and tweaked by the gurus.
>
>And thank you to all who responded with my "newbie" 
>question about telnetting in as root to a box without a 
>screen or keyboard - su and /etc/securetty were all new to 
>me.
>
>David
>
>__
>David J. Evans
>AMS, Virology Research Group, The University of Reading
>Whiteknights, P.O. Box 228, Reading RG6 6AJ
>Tel : +44 (0)118 9318893  Fax : +44 (0)118 9316537
>http://skpc10.reading.ac.uk/
>
>
>

Re: NFS trouble

[wb2oyc]

Sherwood,

>> I keep getting the following message when trying to NFS mount any of the
>> exported filesystems.
>> 
>>  mount clntupd_create: RPC: Program not registered
>> 
>
>Check that on the nfs server that mountd is running. This one is usually
>NOT started from inetd but instead is started from one of the rc files
>

Thanks!  I think you're right!  Just got your repsonse, and looked, and no
mountd...There are four nfsiod's running, but no mountd.  Also, I tried the
old Debian 0.93R6 last nite, and it still works with that system, so this is 
probably it.  

Thanks alot for your answer!
Paul

PS: My distribution came from I-Connect; the CD was cut on Jun 16.  Your
suggestion led me to the problem; thanks again.  I found all the lines
that execute the daemons commented out in the script in /init.d.  The
script was there, and being called on entry to runlevel 2 by the link
S25netstd_nfs, but all the daemons were not executed by init because
they were all commented out!

RE: kernel size

[Casper BodenCummins]

Sherwood,

I like your suggestion of configuring packages as a separate step. The
option in dselect to 'configure remaining unconfigured packages' could
handle this, instead of the 'install selected packages' option. In this
scenario, the 'install' option would became 'load packages' and all
configuration would be relegated to the 'configure' option. If something
goes wrong during configuration, you can just re-run dselect and hit the
configure option. Good Idea.

Yes, it would be snazzy - and rather helpful - if the system
automatically installed the required packages once an installation
method was selected. It would also make the steps more distinct, as you
say.

Casper Boden-Cummins.

>--
>From:  Sherwood Botsford[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent:  19 August 1996 17:07
>To:Casper BodenCummins
>Subject:   RE: kernel size
>
>That's part of the point. More to the point is that there needs to be
>some form of checkpointing for each of these stages.  I should be able
>to back down the ladder too.  If dselect screws up, I should be able,
>with a single command, to revert the system to a bare bones, just after
>the 5 floppy disk install.  Or back to Required only.  All this stuff
>is sort of there.  (Sort of -- yeah.  HOw do you revert to required
>packages only if dselect/dpkg doesn't work. -- or if they work, but
>their databases are gone or corrupt.)  
>
>Right now the separation is vague.  E.g.  
>>From 1-2 --floppy to boot off the hard disk, you get asked for a bunch
>of extraneous info, and if you don't succeed, you have to start again
>with 5 floppies in your hand.  The path from floppies in hand to tiny
>system on disk needs to be made tighter.
>
>The deselect stage right now is a jumble of three different actions:
>1.  Load required base system software.
>2.  Load optional package sets.
>3.  Configure packages.
>
>I'm saying that stage 1 should be fully automatic after selecting an
>access method.
>
>Stage 2 needs to be redone so that all the install is done, then
>all the config is done. YOu can start a select, and have it stop 
>after 10 minutes while it asks
>you a questions. YOu have to keep coming back to it every several
>minutes to hit a few keys. This is annoying as hell. 
>
>During one installation I asked for an X install  during the requried
>install, then managed to lock up my box during the X configuration.
>Result -- machine in ambigious state.

Re: [Fwd: Virus Alert]

[Lars Wirzenius]

"Daniel Lynes":
> GNU Emacs for OS/2 still has this feature.  Very, very dangerous.

Vi and clones aren't completely safe, either. In some circumstances, at
least, they load a .exrc (and/or .vimrc or whatever) from the current
directory (not the home directory). The intention is that you can
customize the editor differently for different projects. However, imagine
downloading an interesting source package from the net, unpacking it,
and editing a file with vi -- oops, you don't have your ~/.profile any
more. At least it is configurable for vi.

The point is that you should know your tools (rtfm, very thoroughly), and
make sure they don't have these gotchas enabled.

I pointed out comp.risks before, I think, but it's good enough that it
can be repeated: read comp.risks. If you enjoy horror movies, you should
really like comp.risks. Or if your mine is as twisted as mine, you could
view it as a funnier replacement of rec.humor.funny.

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Re: Netscape Library Error

[James A. Robinson]

> Background: Got and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and
> netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the right tar.gz file off of Netscape's

Well, you need libXpm.  Which you can get in the xpm4.7 package.
netscape should probably be fixed to depend on this package.


Jim

Re: Duplicating Debian Installations?

[Dale Scheetz]

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Tres Hofmeister wrote:

> 
>   Can someone point me towards info. on how one can duplicate the
> packages installed on one Debian system on another?  Going through
> dselect by hand seems just a bit too tedious for multiple
> installations...  Thanks.
> 
Check out the UpGrades script in the upgrades/ directory. The base_list is
a good example of how to build the list file. Check with me if you need
more pointers.

Luck,
 
Dwarf

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Re: Not keeping correct time

[Bernd Eckenfels]

Hi,

> I have these two lines in a script that cron runs nightly for root 
> 
> netdate tcp 
> clock -u -w
clock is inteligent enough to correct systematic errors. The options for
this are controled in /etc/adjtime. The clock is adjusted everytime you
boot. If you want this more frequently, put an "clock -au" into cron.daily.
Of course netdate is the better solution, as long as you have net-access.

Greetings
Bernd

Re: Debian quirks?

[Joey Hess]

> Here's a few things that has been bothering me for a while.  Have I done
> something wrong, or should the following be considered bugs:
> 
> /etc/inittab:
> 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root /dev/tty1 2>&1
> The problem is that login waits 60 seconds before giving up.  The init
> start to respawn this line until it is disabled for 5 minutes.  This
> behaviour continues forever or until the line is replaced with a "normal"
> inittab-entry.
> 
> /etc/inittab:
> ~~:S:wait:/sbin/sulogin
> This program doesn't seem to know what console it wants it input on and
> therefore doesn't get any input at all.  Had to add /dev/console to get it
> to work.

This isn't really a problem with debian, the real problem is that the
programs don't know what console to use, or the console isn't set up
correctly or something like that.

I have a dumb terminal set up using a hacked version of agetty so it
doesn't prompt for a login name or a password, just runs a program
immediately. It seems to work well. I'll send you a patch to agetty via
private email.

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*REPRODUCIBLE CRASH* with 2.0.12 kernel (earlier kernels also)

[Randy Gobbel]

After hearing all this stuff about viruses and password security I started
getting nervous, so I grabbed Crack 4.1 off of the net, compiled it, and
started running it over the password files of all the systems whose security I
care about.  On the very small password file of my personal machine it
completes normally, but when I try to run it on a relatively large password
file, I get a system freeze after running for around 45 minutes.  The freeze
appears to be completely reproducible.  I thought at first that the problem
might be related to the beta-test X server that I'm running, but it happens
whether or not X is running.  When I restart after one of these freezes, I get
exactly the same message from fsck every time:

Deleted inode 281219 has zero dtime.

I just made up the number, but in any case it's the same inode every time.
There are no other error messages.

Has any else seen anything like this?  There's clearly a bug somewhere, but I
don't know if the problem is more likely to be in the kernel or in my
hardware.  I haven't seen any other indication of any hardware problems.  My
system is a 200 MHz Pentium Pro, with an Adaptec 2940UW SCSI adapter, a
Quantum Atlas 4.3 GB hard disk, and 80 MB of main memory (if you haven't
looked at RAM prices lately, you should).  I started with Debian 1.1, and have
kept the kernel up to date since then by applying patches as they appeared.

Other than this list, is there an "official" place to report problems like
this?  I'm leery of posting to the newsgroups, because when I did recently, I
was hit by a flood of junk email--the reason for the anti-spam paragraph at
the end of this message.

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authorized representative.

Please explain Motif issues (was: StarOffice under Debian)

[Christopher R. Hertel]

Can someone point me toward the FAQ or HOWTO that will explain the
issues with Motif?  Why is Motif hard to come by and what is Lesstif?

Thnax!

Chris -)-

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Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)

[wb2oyc]

On 12:45:58 "Richard G. Roberto" wrote:
>>On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:
>
>Ah, this may have changed.  When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the
>Metro X server was also beta.  The Xfree beta drivers blew
>it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page.
>I know this because I was looking for an alternative to
>Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and
>Debian both.  When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server,
>they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code
>in it, thus the slow numbers.  Do you know how the full
>release performs?
>
I tried the Metro X server also on my RH system.  It sucks!  Came
up with the darndest wierd color combinations, and it didn't seem
to pay any attention to fvwm at all--not the colors anyway!  Some
of the gaudiest, gosh awful combinations you could imagine.  Most
of them useless, due to the lack of contrast or the color choices of
fg & bg.  And it was (is) slow.  Real slow.

Paul
>it but there is no "From" field (no colon).  That's strange.
>
>Anyway, thanks for the info!
>
>Richard G. Roberto
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>201-739-2886 - whippany, nj
>
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Re: Debian quirks?

[Bruce Perens]

From: Vebjoern Forsmo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> /etc/inittab:
> 1:2345:respawn:/bin/login root /dev/tty1 2>&1

Login does have a built-in 60-second timeout at the "password:" prompt,
and might have a timeout at the "login:" prompt too, I don't remember.

If you run a more normal getty/login on this terminal, you won't have the
problem. If you insist on doing it this way, you might have to hack the
source code if you can't find a solution in the login man page.

> Several programs seems to prefer /tmp over /var/tmp.

/tmp should probably be a symbolic link to var/tmp .

Bruce

Re: Netscape Library Error (netscape without .deb)

[Jean Orloff]

> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996 00:43:23 -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Eric Liu) said:

 Eric> Hi!  This new user has another unsolved problem.  *grin* Background: Got
 Eric> and installed motifnls_2.1-1.deb and netscape_3.0-beta6-1.deb.  Got the
 Eric> right tar.gz file off of Netscape's site and put it in /tmp, and the
 Eric> installation said that it found the file, so I assumed everything's
 Eric> right.

 Eric> Problem: Typing 'netscape' yields netscape: can't load library
 Eric> 'libXpm.so.4'

Get the package xpm4.7.

However, given the amount of problems seen recently on the list about Netscape,
and matching the right debian Netscape package with the right Netscape tar
file, let me tell you how I do it for myself without netscape.deb package.

1) I have /usr/local/bin/netscape as a script:

#! /bin/sh
# netscape startup script, to get around uggly config problems

XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH

exec /usr/local/lib/netscape/netscape $*

2) I make a directory /usr/local/lib/netscape where I put the
netscape-vxxx.tar.gz file

3) cd /usr/local/lib/netscape; tar -zxf netscape-vxxx.tar.gz

That's all... When I switch to a new version, I just have to rename
/usr/local/lib/netscape to /usr/local/lib/netscape.old (or delete it if you
have faith in Netscape...) and go back to 1).  I have done it several times,
and it works smooth! Simple enough, and you don't have to rely on debian
versions to be perfectly in sync with those Netscape bastards...

Speaking of those, you can get rid of those bloody Netscape frames forever by
just issuing this as root:

perl -i.orig -pe '  \
s/\bnoframes\b/noFrames/g;  \
s/\bframeset\b/frameSet/g' `which netscape`

and you'll never see a frame again! (see
http://reality.sgi.com/grafica/framefree/index.html for more infos, and 
http://swissnet.ai.mit.edu/wtr/stable-user-interface.html to be convinced why
you should do that...).

Re: Not keeping correct time

[Christopher R. Hertel]

: On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> Subject: Re: Not keeping correct time
:
: I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct
: time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does
: it  work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to
: make my linux box keep correct time?

I don't know if xntp works behind firewalls, but as a test you can try
running ntpdate, which should be part of the same package.

Run

# ntpdate -d 

as root (without xntpd running).  You should get back about a page of
information for each remote host and, at the bottom, it should tell you
which host it liked and how far off your clock is.  Note that the
remote hosts must be running the xntpd server for this to work.

Chris -)-

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Re: StarOffice under Debian

[Shaya Potter]

AGH, I hate having to reply to my own messages.

I don't think it is livso312.so.  But I did try something else.  To 
install you have to use StarInst script, which is a perl script which 
will install Star Office. (can't use their installation -- need motif 
2.0)  You then make a link or copy any shared library to libXm.so.2 and 
you should be set.  If that doesn't work you can try using lesstif.  
lesstif 0.5 is very easy to compile.

Hope this helps,

Shaya
--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

> On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Rolf Obrecht wrote:
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Shaya Potter wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On 17 Aug 1996, Christoph Lameter wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is anyone running StarOffice under Debian?
> > > > 
> > > > If so how and where did you get the Motif Libraries?
> > > > 
> > > I haven't got it running yet,(I have heard that right now it is very 
> > > buggy) 
> > > but supposdly they include a large set of Motif2.0 in one of the shared 
> > > libraries they include in the program, so all you have to do is install 
> > > it (w/ the StarInst script, I have it if anyone needs it)  and then copy 
> > 
> > Look at http://www.stardiv.de/download/sites/README.staroffice !
> > 
> > It tells you that StarOffice needs Motif2.0 Libs, which are _NOT_
> > included. You have to buy them for real money.
> > 
> > The guys at StarDivision are considering making a version with statically
> > linked Motif :) but "...cannot promise any release date for these 
> > versions..." :-(
> > 
> > Hope that helps
> > Rolf
> > 
> > 
> 
> 

Re: Don't use Matrox cards (Was re:dosemu)

[Richard G. Roberto]

On Mon, 19 Aug 1996, Richard G. Roberto wrote:

> 
> RedHat Picasso comes with a single CPU license for Metro X.  I know
> because I have a copy and Metro X runs great on my RedHat box.  The only
> reason I can see them giving out a single license copy is if it's a full
> relase of Metro X's server.
> 
> hope this helps...
> Mike
> 

Ah, this may have changed.  When 3.0.3 was out in beta, the
Metro X server was also beta.  The Xfree beta drivers blew
it away in performance tests posted on Xfree's web page.
I know this because I was looking for an alternative to
Slackware for my home machine and looked into RedHat and
Debian both.  When I asked Redhat about the Metro X server,
they said it was a beta server that had a lot of debug code
in it, thus the slow numbers.  Do you know how the full
release performs?

By the way, I recieved your message and it looks like it
came from me!  The X-Sender: has [EMAIL PROTECTED] in
it but there is no "From" field (no colon).  That's strange.

Anyway, thanks for the info!

Richard G. Roberto
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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dead HD

[James W. Lynch]

I just installed a new Pentium 100 on a ASUS motherboard.  The first
thing I noticed was an odd sound coming from my maxtor 1 Gbyte drive.
It sounded kinda like a marble on the end of piece of sping steel
being drawn back and released about an inch from a thin steel plate.
It was a sprong - tic -tic tic, not unlike what a head loading and
skipping might sound like on a disk drive.

Anyway, after about 3 hours of testing things and preparing for 
a backup, the system died.  At reboot, the bios caused about
six of the infamous sounds then booted up DOS.  It didn't find
any of the other partitions (other than C).  When I tried to load
linux, it couldn't find the root partition.  I booted with a
recovery disk and ran fdisk and it immediately exited with a
"cant read /dev/hda" message.

I tried Novell Dos fdisk and it hangs producing the sprong sound constantly.
I tried MSDOS fdisk and it quits after a minute or so with an error.

Obviously something has trashed the partition table.  I suspect the
hardware has failed.

Now this is a question that up until now, I'd have thought a foolish one,
but can a Motherboard/IDE controller (onboard) destroy a disk drive?
The drive has been working fine until now, but as soon as I installed the
new MB, it started making the strange sound until it failed almost 
completely.

I don't suppose anyone knows how I might recover.  The reason I swapped
the mother board was because I couldn't get the ftape software to
work properly and finally decided it was because of the mother board.

Thanks,
Jim.


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Re: module cdu31a fails on insert

[Todd Tyrone Fries]

> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (renald loignon)
> > May I ask, in all seriousness, and without a trace of sarcasm, where in
> > the world (BUT preferably in the Debian installation instructions) one
> > is expected to find this information?  I was used to the old
> > "cdu31a=0xPORT,IRQ" syntax from the boot prompt, or as an "append=..."
> > line in /etc/lilo.conf
> 
> I don't see that it is documented at all outside of the kernel source.
> And if you think that this is a serious problem in Debian, it is. And it's
> not going to be helped unless more people like you volunteer to work on the
> documentation.

Is there any chance you have checked the bootparm-howto?

http://sunsite.unc.edu/mdw ??  If it is not in there, I would suggest that
would be the best place for it.
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Re: dead HD

[Bruce Perens]

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (James W. Lynch)
> can a Motherboard/IDE controller (onboard) destroy a disk drive?

The sound you heard from the disk drive is probably the arm that holds
the heads seeking repeatedly to the point that it hits the stop at one
end of its travel. It can hit that stop repeatedly at 100 Hz or so if
it is persistent. Floppy disks do this as a matter of course, but hard
disks aren't expected to when they are working correctly.

What I think happened is you set the heads/cylinders/tracks differently
when you set up the BIOS in the new motherboard, or these settings got
altered just before the problem showed up. If you are lucky, you can put
them back and everything will magically get better. I suggest you test that
drive on another system if they don't get better.

And sure, a motherboard can burn out a drive electrically. It's more
unlikely that a sequence of BIOS commands to the drive could injure it.
I don't think you'd hear _that_ sound if you had an electrical problem.

Thanks

Bruce

RE: a problem with "screen"

[Casper BodenCummins]

MR. ENERGY,

THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY CAPS KEY!

CASPER BODEN-CUMMINS.

>--
>From:  Pure Energy[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent:  20 August 1996 03:54
>To:Debian Users
>Cc:The recipient's address is unknown.
>Subject:   a problem with "screen"
>
>hello all,
>   well not sure if i should ask here or not but here it goes. today
>i tried to run screen but it has just started to continiously
>terminate.
>it would look something like this:
>
>timberwolf >screen irc Adrenolin
>the screen then clears and i get a msg,
>[screen is terminating]
>and it returns to the prompt.
>
>   i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
>thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other.
>on
>all other accounts screen runs fine. i have exited out of the account
>and
>re-logged in to no avail. i did a complete shutdown and after i
>rebooted
>it still refuses to run on these 3 accounts. 
>   i know it is not a memery problem:
>
> total   used   free sharedbuffers
>cached
>Mem: 38828  15180  23648   5980   2372  
>8848
>-/+ buffers: 3960  34868
>Swap:32252  0  32252
>   
>   and i'm not useing any sort of quotas on this system. any ideas
>out there as to how to correct this? thanx in advance :)
>-Rob
>
>   /-\
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>   |   [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
>   |=|
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>   \-/
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: a problem with "screen"

[Bruce Perens]

From:   Pure Energy[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>i tried to run screen but it has just started to continiously
>terminate.
>   i have run screen now for weeks without this problem. the strange
>thing is that it does this on my personal account, root and one other.
>on
>all other accounts screen runs fine.

Do all of those users have a shell in common? For example are they all
tcsh users? Do they have features in their .profile, .login, or .cshrc
in common?

I'm a "tcsh" user, so I'd use "set verbose" in my .cshrc so that I
could see what the shell is doing, how far it's getting, etc. You can do
something similar with "bash", I think it's "set -x" in your .profile,
see the man page. Other shells support something similar. I surmise that
all of your sub-shells are exiting, and thus screen exits because it has
nothing to run. You should be able to track this down without expending
much adrenaline :-)

From: Casper BodenCummins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> THERE SEEMS TO BE SOMETHING WRONG WITH MY CAPS KEY!

We need a document on "Are you ready for Linux?" :-)

Thanks

Bruce

Re: PPP Manual Dial?

[Mark Phillips]

>Hello!  This is more a query than a problem.  Hope someone can help! 
>Thanx!
>
>Background: I have gotten 'pppd' to work with a 'chatscript' file. 
>However, I would prefer not to have to type my password into the
>chatscript file.  Thus...
>
>Query: Is there any way I can manually dial in, login, and initiate PPP,
>then ask 'pppd' to start?

Yes.  Use minicom to dial in, start ppp, then use ctrl-a q to get out
of minicom, and run pppd with the appropriate options.

Mark Phillips.  ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Re: Netscape Library Error (netscape without .deb)

[Juha Ylitalo]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Jean Orloff wrote:

> 1) I have /usr/local/bin/netscape as a script:
> 
> #! /bin/sh
> # netscape startup script, to get around uggly config problems
> 
> XKEYSYMDB='/usr/local/lib/netscape/XKeysymDB'; export XKEYSYMDB
> XNLSPATH='/usr/local/lib/netscape/nls'; export XNLSPATH

Do those XKeysymDB and XNLSPATH really provide something useful or have
you used them only because they are provided ?

Reason for wondering this is that for sometime, I used to untar those
netscape packages and copy only netscape image to /usr/local/bin. Later I
have started to copy that java_30 to /usr/local/lib/netscape, even though
I have Java as disabled. Anyway, so far I haven't got any error messages
and I am using pretty much default Debian package (compiled FVWM '95 and
done some work on Xresources, but only for Xterm and Emacs).

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Re: PPP Manual Dial?

[Emanuele Pucciarelli]

On Tue, 20 Aug 1996, Eric Liu wrote:

> Background: I have gotten 'pppd' to work with a 'chatscript' file. 
> However, I would prefer not to have to type my password into the
> chatscript file.  Thus...

I would do:

-cut-

#!/bin/sh
echo -n "Type in your password: "
stty -echo
read PASSWORD
echo
stty echo

/usr/sbin/pppd ...

-cut-

and you can type $PASSWORD instead of the actual password inside your
script.

Otherwise, you should use minicom or some other comm software to login,
but it would be less comfortable.

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Re: where is wish ?

[Martin Alonso Soto Jacome]

David Engel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Wish is the base-level Tk interpreter.  Install either the tk40 or 
> tk41 packages.  if you install both, the wish from tk41 will be used 
> by default. 

By the way, this days I tried to compile some Tcl extension package (namely 
ctk) and its configure script wasn't able to find the Tcl library.  
Investigating the problem, I found out that Debian doesn't install a libtcl.a 
or libtcl.so but libtcl7.4.a and and libtcl7.4.so.  

I know that is done to allow for the simultaneous installation of Tcl 7.4 and 
7.5 (and possibly other future versions).  However, I just wonder if it should 
exist a link to one of those libraries from /etc/alternatives (and, of course, 
one from /usr/lib/libtcl.so to it) so that configuration scripts can find the 
real library easily.  I can see that the packages are doing that already for 
wish and tclsh, but not for the library.  Am I missing something?

M. S.

Martin A. Soto J.   Profesor
Departamento de Ingenieria de Sistemas y Computacion
Universidad de los Andes  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Need help to set right ownerships

[Ken Gaugler]

At 12:04 PM 8/20/96 cet, you wrote:
>Hi, 
>Anybody can help me, please?  I really need to be sure how to fix this.
>Logged as root I did: 
>
># cd /home/lds ; chown -R lds.users * ; ls -laR | more
>
>and noticing that I forgot to change the ownership of the (hidden) dot files
>I typed: 
>
># chown -R lds:users ~/.*
>
>Uc!  the `*' expands to `.' among others. By the time I noticed my two 
>mistakes and pressed CTRL-C, I had already changed the ownership of /root, 
>/home, and some subdirs in /var and /usr.
>
>I saved on a floppy a list (find $dir -exec ls -laR {} \; | grep "lds  
>users") with $dir set to /usr and /var. I fixed the ownerships of /root and 
>/home by hand and the I typed  
>
># shutdown -r now
>
>That was not very clever :-( but I was thinking of fixing everything when
having
>more time, from an emergency base system I have on a separate 16MB partition.
>I am not quite  sure how to deal with the files in /var which are written at 
>boot time ... ooops! and at shutdown tooo! :-( 
>Maybe it help to mention that I have /, /var, /usr, /usr/local and /home (and 
>swap) on separate partitions.
>
>Right now I know which files have the wrong ownership but do not know what 
>should be the right one. I thought of setting the ownership to root:root to
the 
>files in the list and then fix by hand those who shoud be owned by other
system 
>group (news, mail,...etc).  I think that then I should proceed by fixing
file by
>file, i.e., 
>0)Fixing those in /var/lib/dpkg (any pointer about how to do it?)
>1)removing all installed packages except those flaged as essential (base), 
>2)comparing file by file with a fresh Debian 1.1.x base system (I have one).
>3)Reinstalling again the packages.
>
>Any suggestion to make it as safer/cleaner/greener/faster as possible will be 
>greatly appreciated. A script maybe to do it automatically?'
>I am not suscribed to the list right now so please answer this to 
>my private e-mail. Thank you very much,
>
>Lazaro <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
>
>
>
>

You should have used chown -R lds:users ./.[a-zA-Z]*
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output of shutdown -h now

[Justin Ennis]

I am reluctant to bring this up again, since I saw it just a few
months ago on this list, and didn't pay attention at the time.  So,
at the risk of rehashing this problem (if that is what it is), I am
submitting it again since I am now having the same difficulty myself.

I am using the original Debian 1.1 release (kernel 2.0.0), and when
I issue a "shutdown -h now" command, I get the following:

System halted
general protection: 
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010: [<00173257>]
EFLAGS: 00010046
eax: 5307  ebx: 0001  ecx: bfff0003  edx: 
esi: bf0c  edi: 08000e4a  ebp: bfff0003  esp: 005a5f80
ds:   es:   fs:   gs:   ss: 0018
Process halt (pid: 220, process nr: 6, stackpage=005a5000)
Stack:  0246 002b 0011002b 0018 00710018 00714810 bf0c 08000e4a
bdc0 0011231e 0003  0009 001cc40a 0010a482 fee1dead
28121969 cdef0123 bf0c 08000e4a bdc0 ffda 0803002b 0010002b
Call Trace:  [<0011002b>] [<0011231e>] [<0010a482>]
Code: 2e ff 1d 2c b8 20 00 0f 92 c0 9d 0f a9 0f 91 07 1f 89 c5 84

I'd like to know if this is normal, or a symptom of a needed kernel upgrade,
or something else entirely.  I hate to post this again, seeing that you have
all probably solved this and moved on.  But I would greatly appreciate any
help that you may possibly be able to give.

Justin Ennis

X11 and LaTeX minimal install

[Billy Chow]

Dear debianers,

A minimal X (and LaTeX) installation requires several debian packages,
but most people either do not want X or want at least a minimal
installation, right?  So what are the justifications of splitting a
minimal X and LaTeX the way it is?

Thanks.

-- 
Billy C.-M. Chow  [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Debian Linux

Re: Not keeping correct time

[Michael Meskes]

Shaya Potter writes:
> 
> I just noticed that my linux box dosen't seem to be keeping correct 
> time.  I tried running xntp to correct it, but it wouldn't work (does it 
> work behind firewalls?) Does anyone know of an efficient way to make my 
> linux box keep correct time?

If you don't want to go over the internet you could try adjtimex. This
package adjusts the kernel timex variable and makes your system keep the
time pretty well.

If it works well you should think about a BIOS write command (clock -w),
too.

Michael

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