Re: zsh vs bash
This is *not* a flame. This list is kind of touchy lately. It's just that I'm a big fan of bash (with vi editting mode instead of emacs) and if there's a better shell out there I'd like to give it a try. It just doesn't sound like zsh has anything to offer that bash doesn't. Comments anyone? Richard Sharman wrote: Thought writes: Hey, what do you guys think is better, zsh or bash? I prefer zsh, I find it easier to work with. For a while it had several features missing from bash (and most shells), but bash has caught up on many of them. It still has some features which don't seem to be in bash (though perhaps it's just a matter of finding out how to setup bash): * ability to line edit a multi-line command. I find this very useful. Say you've just typed in a multi-line for...done line and need to fix a type or redo it slightly differently. Under zsh you simply using ^p like any single line. Add this to your .bashrc if you;d like this feature in bash too: #put multi-line commands together as one line export command_oriented_history= * the vared builtin -- allows you to line edit a variable (e.g. vared path). Doesn't export PATH=$PATH:other_stuff do the same? * allows you to defined what a word is (e.g. for using backward-word). Using the vared command makes it nice and simple, just do vared WORDCHARS. Is this different from `B' when editing command lines in bash? * accepts both csh and sh syntax, which is useful if you're used to a tcsh environment at work, or just like some of the csh things like prompt instead of PS1, or using a wordlist $path rather than a colon-separated $PATH. Bash also accepts both csh and sh syntax. * ability to try out an interactive command with M-x without having to specifically bind it. I don't know what this means but it may be useful. * the infer next command. (Hmmm, this seems to be broken now; it used to work and was very nice.) (Bash now has something limilar, operate-and-get-next (C-o). I like zsh's approach where you use this command when you want the next command; bash requires you to think ahead and realize before submitting that you will want the next command.) Again I don't know what this means. Is this just `n' in bash? * automatic completion on variables names, e.g. type export DISP and hit tab. (I just checked, in bash you can use Esc-$ to specifically complete a variable name; in zsh the default compctl (completion) has been setup to complete for a variable name if the command is export. While the zsh seemed easier, I guess the bash approach allows you to control it more.) However, bash has some advantages: * better built-in help (zsh has some if you set it up as suggested, but bash seems better and works out-of-the-box) * Ability to interactively define keyboard macros (similar to within emacs) * Bash uses the GNU readline which can be used from any C-program. Actually, I think the last point is probably a very important one. Both shell's line editing is good, but bash's readline can be included in any C program. By putting your preferences in your ~/.inputrc file you can thus customize many programs in one fell swoop. In any case, I would say try them both, and then pick one and read the manual or info and get familiar with it. And every so often read it again to pick some more hints. There are 2 programs that really pay off putting a bit of effort into learning: the shell you use and the editor you use. Picking a simple and easy to use editor is a short sighted approach. Pick a powerful editor and invest some time in learning it. (You don't have to learn it all, and you don't have to learn all that much at first, either.) It will really pack off. And I think the same philosophy applies, perhaps to a lesser degree, to the shell you use. Richard
Re: pine producing gratuitous folder locks
David C. Winters wrote: On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, David C. Winters wrote: Today, I started getting running into a problem with Pine 3.94--it began [Del.] On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Pete Templin wrote: Are the permissions on the /tmp directory correct? (1755, which looks like drwxrwxrwt in ls -l /) This is often my first clue that /tmp has the wrong perms. That was it--my clue was when X didn't start either. Now I need to try to track down whatever it was I did that changed its perms. I've had similar problems (perms changing) after restoring from a backup as root. I've read elsewhere that if you set umask to 0 before restoring that this problem can be avoided. I'd be interested in knowing if this is what happened to you. I posted my question too soon--sorry, everyone, for the wasted bandwidth. D. David [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the Force with Yoda is so strong, construct Office: 3503 WeH, x86720a sentence with in the proper order the words MTFBWY then why can't he?
Re: Kernel compilation problem
On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: I tried to compile a new kernel on my own (just the old way) and I am afraid i messed some things up... What does have to be a module? Even the SCSI controller? (I guess not) And, besides - after installing debian on my system I get segfaults and coredumps with several programs at random choice and at will, if you call it this way. Then I get a signal 11 even with rnews (uucp) (!) and occasionally when compiling a new kernel... Well, I know of this fatal sig 11 thing, but, $%!#$#$%%, it worked before on the same two scsi discs with another distribution. If you have fatal sig 11 during kernel compilation, it almost _always_ means you have either bad L2 cache or a bad simm. To see if it's the cache, go into your BIOS and disable the external cache entirely. If it's not the cache, I suggest getting a SIMM tester and running all of your memory through it several times. --- Elie Rosenblum ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) System Administrator, Erol's Internet When Cthulhu calls, he calls _collect_.
2 problems
I have two questions: 1) has something changed in the way dselect/dpkg installs packages. In the past, dpkg used to choose the best order to install packages so as to avoid dependancy problems. Now, when installing packages with dselect, this is not done. For example, I recently installed emacs from and emacs-el was attempted before emacs. dpkg complained that emacs must be installed before emacs-el. Is there a fix to this? 2) recently a number of packages have been having trouble getting installed. svgalib and zlib are 2 examples. The problem is this: dselect recognizes that there are new versions availble and they get downloaded. Then dpkg (i presume) complains that the downloaded packages are older than the currently installed set. However, in they are not. manually installing them with dpkg -i works. I believe this has something to do with the : in available and status version numbers. I have the most recent versions of utilities (dpkg, etc.) from unstable. Thanks, Erv ~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~'`^`'~*-,._.,-*~ ==-- _ / / \ ---==---(_)__ __ __/ / /\ \- [EMAIL PROTECTED] --==---/ / _ \/ // /\ \/ / / /_/\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] -=/_/_//_/\_,_/ /_/\_\ /__\ \ \ - [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.linux.org \_\/
Re: Zimmerman case
On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Dale Scheetz wrote: On Fri, 7 Mar 1997, Bruce Perens wrote: Bruce: The government dropped its case against Zimmerman long ago. From: Dale Scheetz [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is true, but he is still be pestered more than you and I would like to live with. Uh, maybe. He seems to be making money on the issue. Take a look at http://www.pgp.com/pgpcorp/pgpcorp.cgi . They don't give details on their financing, but the people on the board certainly have access to good financing. This is the only known method an individual has for protection from abuse by large groups. Rich == powerful - safe I just wish our government would get over the fascist notion that only governements should be allowed to protect secrets. No argument there. At least not between you and I ;-) I have never heard an individual produce good arguments for this behavior. It is only when large groups respond that you hear that magic phrase national security, which, in this day of international terrorist activities is a truely self contradictory term. The only thing I will say in defence of ITAR, from talking to people invloved with it when it was developed, is 1) Remember its age, it was created a while ago, times have changed so should it. 2) The people that developed it were asked, what don't we want our enemies getting their hands on, one of their answers was strong encryption. Then again, in today's age of PGP ITAR is basically deprecated. :-) shaya
Re: zsh vs bash
Bob Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
This is *not* a flame. This list is kind of touchy lately. It's just
that I'm a big fan of bash (with vi editting mode instead of emacs) and
if there's a better shell out there I'd like to give it a try. It just
doesn't sound like zsh has anything to offer that bash doesn't.
[snip]
* ability to line edit a multi-line command. I find this very
useful. Say you've just typed in a multi-line for...done line
and need to fix a type or redo it slightly differently. Under zsh
you simply using ^p like any single line.
Add this to your .bashrc if you;d like this feature in bash too:
#put multi-line commands together as one line
export command_oriented_history=
That doesn't do quite the same here - it joins the lines together.
zsh leaves the line breaks intact.
* the vared builtin -- allows you to line edit a variable
(e.g. vared path).
Doesn't export PATH=$PATH:other_stuff do the same?
It's OK for adding stuff to either end, but not so good for
interactively removing a bit from the middle of a variable, or
rearranging a bit.
* allows you to defined what a word is (e.g. for using
backward-word). Using the vared command makes it nice and simple,
just do vared WORDCHARS.
Is this different from `B' when editing command lines in bash?
It sets what B (in zsh's vi mode) moves backwards over. I don't see
any way to do this in readline(3), but I wouldn't be very surprised if
it's possible. I would be more surprised if it's possible without
reloading bash.
* accepts both csh and sh syntax, which is useful if you're used to a
tcsh environment at work, or just like some of the csh things like
prompt instead of PS1, or using a wordlist $path rather than a
colon-separated $PATH.
Bash also accepts both csh and sh syntax.
tcsh% echo $path
/usr/bin/X11 /var/qmail/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /usr/games
zsh% echo $path
/usr/bin/X11 /var/qmail/bin /usr/local/bin /usr/bin /bin /usr/games
bash$ echo $path
* ability to try out an interactive command with M-x without having
to specifically bind it.
I don't know what this means but it may be useful.
Like if I don't have expand-cmd-path bound to a key but I want to
try it, I type M-x expand-cmd-pathEnter to see what happens.
* the infer next command. (Hmmm, this seems to be broken now;
it used to work and was very nice.) (Bash now has something limilar,
operate-and-get-next (C-o). I like zsh's approach where you use this
command when you want the next command; bash requires you to think
ahead and realize before submitting that you will want the next command.)
Again I don't know what this means. Is this just `n' in bash?
It's C-o in bash in emacs mode. I don't know about vi mode. (What
*is* `n' in bash's vi mode? It beeps at me in command mode.)
* automatic completion on variables names, e.g. type
export DISP and hit tab. (I just checked, in bash you can use
Esc-$ to specifically complete a variable name; in zsh the default
compctl (completion) has been setup to complete for a variable name
if the command is export. While the zsh seemed easier, I guess
the bash approach allows you to control it more.)
The programmable completion is even better if you have the time to set
it up. I quite like my kill completion
(compctl -j -P % -x 'p[1] s[-]' -k signals -- kill), and I have a
function somewhere to do completion on hostnames for ncftp.
[snip]
Another nice feature is that variables are split differently than most
sh-like shells. This means /tmp/$0.$$ does what you expect even if
$0 contains a space.
There are also extra redirection methods, like:
% ghostview =( zcat /usr/man/man8/pppd.8.gz | groff -man )
which creates a temporary file for ghostview to display pages from
properly.
And there are extensions to the pattern matching to make find(1) less
necessary:
% rm **/*.{orig,rej}(.)
does nearly the same as:
% find . -type f -name '*.orig' -o -name '*.rej' -print0 \
| xargs -r0 rm
unless I got the find syntax wrong.
The next version of zsh should use loadable modules (like Perl) so
that the line editing code, for example, won't get loaded unless it is
needed.
There's also an RPS1 variable which prints on the RHS of the line if
the terminal can do it and there's enough space. It was a bit buggy
in zsh 2.x, but works perfectly in 3.0. My setting is %~ which
puts the full path on the RHS for each command.
zsh also comes with a shell function that implements a simple file
editor, useful for editing very small files when the startup time of
vi is an issue. :-)
I'm sure there's more, but I'm going to stop now.
--
Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux and Linux-like systems such as UNIX(R) and FreeBSD...
- Yggdrasil Computing, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pine producing gratuitous folder locks
David C. Winters [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [snip: wrong /tmp permissions] That was it--my clue was when X didn't start either. Now I need to try to track down whatever it was I did that changed its perms. I posted my question too soon--sorry, everyone, for the wasted bandwidth. It happened to me once when I tarred up ., then untarred it in /tmp to check it went right. /tmp got the permissions of the original . directory. (Moral: don't tar ., instead tar .* * in zsh, and/or be careful untarring as root.) -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux and Linux-like systems such as UNIX(R) and FreeBSD... - Yggdrasil Computing, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Local X application defaults
Riku Saikkonen [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Can X be set to read app-defaults files in /usr/local/X11/app-defaults/ (or whatever) in addition to the normal directory? You could try (ab-)using XUSERFILESEARCHPATH. Mine is currently /home/carey/lib/X11/app-defaults/%N%S so you could use something similar. -- Carey Evans * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux and Linux-like systems such as UNIX(R) and FreeBSD... - Yggdrasil Computing, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Down Loading
Hi, the service that I use to get onto the internet only allows me 1 hour at a time, then I have to quit and log back on. There are somefile that are like 7 meg, and take 1 1/2 hours to download and the service I use kick me off after 1 hour. How could I download it? Pete Poff---AKA---BlackJack Personal E-Mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron E-Mail Address:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron address: telnet.cyberconinc.com 4000
Re: Kernel compilation problem
Elie == Elie Rosenblum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Elie On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, Alexander Koch wrote: I tried to compile a new kernel on my own (just the old way) and I am afraid i messed some things up... What does have to be a module? Even the SCSI controller? (I guess not) And, besides - after installing debian on my system I get segfaults and coredumps with several programs at random choice and at will, if you call it this way. Then I get a signal 11 even with rnews (uucp) (!) and occasionally when compiling a new kernel... Well, I know of this fatal sig 11 thing, but, $%!#$#$%%, it worked before on the same two scsi discs with another distribution. Elie If you have fatal sig 11 during kernel compilation, it Elie almost _always_ means you have either bad L2 cache or a bad Elie simm. To see if it's the cache, go into your BIOS and Elie disable the external cache entirely. If it's not the cache, Elie I suggest getting a SIMM tester and running all of your Elie memory through it several times. It can also mean a stuck CPU fan; that's what caused this problem on one of my boxes. I was able to fix it with a little WD-40. Karl M. Hegbloom [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.inetarena.com/~karlheg Debian GNU 1.2 Linux 2.0.29t
Re: Down Loading
Pete Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There are somefile that are like 7 meg, and take 1 1/2 hours to download and the service I use kick me off after 1 hour. How could I download it? Either use reget command in ftp, or `get -r' in ncftp. Both do the same. reget remote-file [local-file] Reget acts like get, except that if local-file exists and is smaller than remote-file, local-file is presumed to be a par tially transferred copy of remote-file and the transfer is continued from the apparent point of failure. This command is useful when transferring very large files over networks that are prone to dropping connections. Guy
Re: Down Loading
On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Pete Poff wrote: Hi, the service that I use to get onto the internet only allows me 1 hour at a time, then I have to quit and log back on. There are somefile that are like 7 meg, and take 1 1/2 hours to download and the service I use kick me off after 1 hour. How could I download it? Get as much as you can in the first hour, then in the second session, do a reget from ftp which will finish the file in the second, or seuccessive sessions. Luck, Dwarf -- aka Dale Scheetz Phone: 1 (904) 656-9769 Flexible Software 11000 McCrackin Road e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tallahassee, FL 32308 If you don't see what you want, just ask --
Re: Locate
Pete Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when I use locate I get an error. This is what I get if I type like locate what ever. Like locate new.stuff. I get locate: /var/lib/locate/locatedb: No suck file or directory. Can anyone tell me why? And is there a command to see how much disk space I have left? Chances are you are experiencing a bug in an older cron package. There was a version which would not set up cron to run automatically at boot time. You can get it cron started with /etc/init.d/cron start as root. And you can fix the problem permanently by upgrading your cron package. -- Rob
Can't nfs mount Debian box
Hi... I'm having trouble nfs mounting a Debian box from other machines... 'ps -aux' indicates rpc.portmap, update, nfsiod (4 instances), kerneld, inetd, bootpd, rpc.nfsd, rpc.mount, rpc.ugidd. Other processes seem to be working well (apache, netscape, in.telnetd, bash, emacs)... Still a variety of machines (linux, NeXT, Sparc) can't mount correctly configured /etc/exports (i.e. '/ trusty(rw,no_root_squash)... What can I do to ferret out this problem? Any immediate clues as to what's going on? TIA
Problems Compiling Kernel 2.0.27
Hi! I have been trying to recompile my kernel 2.0.27. I would like to use Menuconfig but I'm missing the file 'lxdiaglog.o' in /usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog. Does anyone know where I can get a copy? So I tried running 'make config' that goes along fine until I try to compile the sound board option. gcc tells me I'm missing the 'configure' in /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound. I have read the Readme.linx file, but I don't how to run the script that is appended to the end of Readme.linux after I have deleted the first part of file. Also I have tried to compile the 2.0.27 kernel without sound. 'make config' works fine but, when try running 'make dep' gcc say it can't find 'mkdep.c' even though 'mkdep.c' is present in /usr/src/linux/scripts. If it is in the wrong directory which directory should I put it in. Thanks in advance, 73 for now. Dave Loken VE6DJL
Re: Down Loading
Pete Poff wrote: Hi, the service that I use to get onto the internet only allows me 1 hour at a time, then I have to quit and log back on. There are somefile that are like 7 meg, and take 1 1/2 hours to download and the service I use kick me off after 1 hour. How could I download it? Pete Poff---AKA---BlackJack Personal E-Mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron E-Mail Address:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron address: telnet.cyberconinc.com 4000 Use ftp get filename the first time then use reget filename on subsequent ftp sessions. I think reget is supported by most ftp servers. It has worked for me every time I've tried it. I think dselect does a reget when you use the ftp method. --Bob
Re: Installing a new kernel....
I just had this problem 2 days ago :) After playing around with everyone's responses, here's what finally worked: cd /usr/src/linux rm -r /lib/modules/* make config make dep make clean make zlilo make modules make modules_install /sbin/depmod -a pico /etc/modules Commented out all the lines in /etc/modules I didn't need anymore, which happened to be all of them You might want to move /lib/modules/* to another directory instead of deleting them (I tried just renaming the directory 2.0.27 to 2.0.27.old, but it didn't seem to work). You might also need to do something different with /etc/modules. I needed to edit that file because I got vfat: module not found messages etc. when I booted. Anyway, I hope that helps, and that all the paths I mentioned are correct :) I'm new to debian and I just wrote this off of memory so...
Re: Down Loading
If reget doesn't work, have a friend with a fast connection download it and split it up to smaller files :) On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, Pete Poff wrote: Hi, the service that I use to get onto the internet only allows me 1 hour at a time, then I have to quit and log back on. There are somefile that are like 7 meg, and take 1 1/2 hours to download and the service I use kick me off after 1 hour. How could I download it? Pete Poff---AKA---BlackJack Personal E-Mail Address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron E-Mail Address:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Kyron address:telnet.cyberconinc.com 4000
Re: Problems Compiling Kernel 2.0.27
I normally don't compile sound board support, because I never use sound in Linux, but I was just messing around and I decided 'what the hell' and included it when I was remaking my kernel, and I got a bunch of missing configuration files/setup errors when trying to compile too. I just thought 'ahh screw it' and compiled without sound. Is there a problem in 2.0.27 with sound? On Sat, 8 Mar 1997, David James Loken wrote: Hi! I have been trying to recompile my kernel 2.0.27. I would like to use Menuconfig but I'm missing the file 'lxdiaglog.o' in /usr/src/linux/scripts/lxdialog. Does anyone know where I can get a copy? So I tried running 'make config' that goes along fine until I try to compile the sound board option. gcc tells me I'm missing the 'configure' in /usr/src/linux/drivers/sound. I have read the Readme.linx file, but I don't how to run the script that is appended to the end of Readme.linux after I have deleted the first part of file. Also I have tried to compile the 2.0.27 kernel without sound. 'make config' works fine but, when try running 'make dep' gcc say it can't find 'mkdep.c' even though 'mkdep.c' is present in /usr/src/linux/scripts. If it is in the wrong directory which directory should I put it in. Thanks in advance, 73 for now. Dave Loken VE6DJL
More shared lib stuff
Thanks for the quick turnaround on my question about the benefits of shared libs. Now for the next problem. Well, I think I have got my shared lib built, I have run ldconfig but when I try to compile a program that uses routines in the shared lib, I get /tmp/cca024781.o: In function `main': /tmp/cca024781.o(.text+0x51): undefined reference to `btopen' /tmp/cca024781.o(.text+0x6d): undefined reference to `btperror' etc. to compile the program, I followed the elf-howto and just did a gcc -o example example.c ldconfig -v shows ldconfig: version 1.8.8 /lib: libdl.so.1 = libdl.so.1.8.8 libbtree.so.1 = libbtree.so.1.0 etc. I have tried various combinations of -shared in gcc and ld. What did I do wrong? Again, TIA -- Walter L. Preuninger II waldo @ irc.wasteland.org:#unix [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://walterp.rapidramp.com L I N U X Where You Will Want To Be!
Re: Zimmerman case
Shaya Potter: The people that developed [ITAR] were asked what don't we want our enemies getting their hands on, one of their answers was strong encryption. The problem here seems to be that the government doesn't acknowledge that people outside of the U.S. are at least as smart as we are, and (like the Atom Bomb) all of the theoretical knowledge has been published, and much of it was researched and published by people outside of the U.S. Bruce -- Bruce Perens K6BP [EMAIL PROTECTED] 510-215-3502 Finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] for PGP public key. PGP fingerprint = 88 6A 15 D0 65 D4 A3 A6 1F 89 6A 76 95 24 87 B3
help!!!!
I have a 386 laptop that i just installed linux on and I don't know how to print from it and how to automatically mount a floppy. Here is my booth message if anyone can help me. Thank you, Ernesto Console: 16 point font, 400 scans Console: colour VGA+ 80x25, 1 virtual console (max 63) pci_init: no BIOS32 detected Calibrating delay loop.. ok - 4.11 BogoMIPS Memory: 6472k/8384k available (968k kernel code, 384k reserved, 560k data) Swansea University Computer Society NET3.035 for Linux 2.0 NET3: Unix domain sockets 0.13 for Linux NET3.035. Swansea University Computer Society TCP/IP for NET3.034 IP Protocols: ICMP, UDP, TCP Checking 'hlt' instruction... Ok. Linux version 2.0.27 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.7.2.1) #1 Fri Jan 10 23:46:22 MET 1997 Real Time Clock Driver v1.07 tpqic02: Runtime config, $Revision: 0.4.1.5 $, $Date: 1994/10/29 02:46:13 $ tpqic02: DMA buffers: 20 blocks, at address 0x242e00 (0x242cb0) Ramdisk driver initialized : 16 ramdisks of 4096K size hda: Conner Peripherals 84MB - CP2084, 81MB w/32kB Cache, CHS=548/8/38 ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14 Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M Started kswapd v 1.4.2.2 FDC 0 is an 8272A md driver 0.35 MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 NCR53c406a: no available ports found qlogicisp : PCI bios not present eata_dma: No BIOS32 extensions present. This driver release still depends on it. Skipping scan for PCI HBAs. eata_pio: No BIOS32 extensions present. This driver release still depends on it. Skipping scan for PCI HBAs. Failed initialization of WD-7000 SCSI card! PPA: unable to initialise controller at 0x378, error 2 scsi : 0 hosts. scsi : detected total. Ethernet Bridge 002 for NET3.035 (Linux 2.0) Partition check: hda: hda1 hda2 hda5 VFS: Mounted root (ext2 filesystem) readonly. Adding Swap: 17304k swap-space linear personality registered JAVA Binary support v1.01 for Linux 1.3.98 (C)1996 Brian A. Lantz lp1 at 0x0378, (polling) PS/2 auxiliary pointing device detected -- driver installed. Serial driver version 4.13 with no serial options enabled tty00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16450 tty01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16450 CSLIP: code copyright 1989 Regents of the University of California PPP: version 2.2.0 (dynamic channel allocation) PPP Dynamic channel allocation code copyright 1995 Caldera, Inc. PPP line discipline registered. SLIP: version 0.8.4-NET3.019-NEWTTY-MODULAR (dynamic channels, max=256). Mem-info: Free pages:1052kB ( 29*4kB 29*8kB 16*16kB 4*32kB 3*64kB 1*128kB = 1052kB) Swap cache: add 0/0, delete 169469/0, find 0/0 Free swap:17304kB 2096 pages of RAM 263 free pages 478 reserved pages 1013 pages shared Buffer memory: 292kB Buffer heads: 360 Buffer blocks: 292 Buffer[0] mem: 152 buffers, 8 used (last=17), 0 locked, 0 protected, 0 dirty 0 shrd Buffer[2] mem: 82 buffers, 10 used (last=70), 3 locked, 0 protected, 0 dirty 0 shrd Size[LAV] Free Clean Unshar LckLck1 Dirty Shared 512 [0]: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1024 [2]: 58 152 0 82 0 0 0 2048 [0]: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 4096 [0]: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 8192 [0]: 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 Networking buffers in use : 0 Network buffers locked by drivers : 0 Total network buffer allocations : 61 Total failed network buffer allocs : 0 Total free while locked events : 0 IP fragment buffer size: 0 VFS: Disk change detected on device 02:00 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 0 VFS: Disk change detected on device 02:00 end_request: I/O error, dev 02:00, sector 0 VFS: Disk change detected on device 02:00
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Re: Locate
Rob Browning [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Pete Poff [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: when I use locate I get an error. This is what I get if I type like locate what ever. Like locate new.stuff. I get locate: /var/lib/locate/locatedb: No suck file or directory. Can anyone tell me why? And is there a command to see how much disk space I have left? Chances are you are experiencing a bug in an older cron package. There was a version which would not set up cron to run automatically at boot time. You can get it cron started with /etc/init.d/cron start as root. And you can fix the problem permanently by upgrading your cron package. However, this doesn't explain why there is no locatedb at all; whenever /etc/init.d/boot runs to completion it looks for an executable file /sbin/setup.sh and it is this script that is supposed to run updatedb for the first time and then delete itself. The current install disks for Debian installation have a bug which leaves the setup.sh script unexecutable; you may find it still exists on your system with mode 0. Does this explain anything in your (Pete's) case? Giuliano Procida.
Executing java applications
I'm running Debian-Linux 1.2.6 with Java support, to be able to run Java applications (not applets). My little test program Welcome.java is supposed to write a short message to the screen; it compiles successfully with guavac (it says so), resulting in Welcome.class. But then what? First, Welcome.class isn't executable. After fixing that, an error message complains that it can't find /usr/bin/java -- and sure enough, it isn't there, and neither is /usr/bin/guava. Am I missing something? Is Debian-Linux missing something? Must we only run applets (e.g. under Netscape)? Would appreciate some help on this. -- Henk KosterHome: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Satisfied user of Linux, OS/2, LaTeX Lucida Bright, and Psion Siena Behavioral axiomas are rational, investors aren't always... Savage =
Re: X
Hi, I guess this is an indication that you have the mouse setup right in gpm but wrong in X. In my /etc/gpm.conf there are lines 'device=/dev/ttyS0' and 'type=ms'. /dev/mouse is a symlink to /dev/ttyS0 In my /etc/X11/XF86Config, section Pointer there are lines 'Protocol MouseMan' and 'Device /dev/mouse'. I suggest you to check XF86Config(5x) and see what all the different pointer protocols are. I think 'ms' and 'MouseMan' are not the same but it seems to work anyways. I have a cheap 3-button logitech mouse. If there are multiple resulutions defined in /etc/X11/XF86Config you should be able to switch between them with Ctr-Alt-+ or Ctrl-Alt--. '+' and '-' are the respective keys on the numeric keypad on the right edge of your keyboard. If you want a different default resolution once again check the XF86Config file and go to the section Screen. There are a number of Modes lines. E.g. changing Modes 800x600 1280x1024 1024x768 to Modes 1280x1024 1024x768 800x600 should change the default from 800x600 to 1280x1024. That square which says xterm is your window with a shell. Once your mouse works try the left button of your mouse on the root window. Root window is also known as 'the background'. If you don't like the default gray background pattern, try something like 'xsetroot -solid SteelBlue' in the xterm. Hope this helps. Daniel Karlsson wrote: I've finally managed to make X work. At least in a way. When I write startx I get a patterned background and a square in the upper left corner in which it says xterm. I have no mouse response, even though I have in text mode. All I can do is to press Enter. Then the square disappears and everything appears to be locked. What shall I do to at least get a window with a shell? And what shall I do to get a higher resolution? // Heikki -- Heikki Vatiainen * [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tampere University of Technology * Tampere, Finland
RE: X
Daniel: Well Daniel, X is not very useful without a mouse. I'll try to help. Use the command SuperProbe to determine what Linux sees with respect to your hardware. Run xf86config to configure you X server. I'm not quite certain what version of software you are using but X11R6.3.2 is far more flexible. (personal option). xf86config will ask you about your mouse. From a hardware perspective many computers now days come standard with a ps/2 mouse interface on the mother board. You have to make certain that the mouse interface is enabled within the BIOS and you have to make the wire is connected to your mother board. Boot your system, go into the BIOS setup and make sure. If you have an older PC this is probably not the case. If you have some utilities which scan your PC and tell you what your hardware is, this would be helpful. In any case when your kernel loads you should see a line indicating the type of mouse you have and what module(s) are being loaded. I'm assuming your device drivers are loaded as modules. If this is not the case, rebuild your modules with the proper mouse drivers in the kernel. I sounds like you have a hardware problem, not a software problem. Let me know what happens. -- From: Daniel Karlsson[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 1997 4:26 PM To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: X Hello I've finally managed to make X work. At least in a way. When I write startx I get a patterned background and a square in the upper left corner in which it says xterm. I have no mouse response, even though I have in text mode. All I can do is to press Enter. Then the square disappears and everything appears to be locked. What shall I do to at least get a window with a shell? And what shall I do to get a higher resolution? Hoping for answers.. _ __ __ | _ \ | |/ / | E-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | ' / | WWW : http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~c95danka/ | | | | | | | Tel : 013 - 17 82 76 | | |_| | | . \ | Adress: Rydsvägen 246 C:21 584 34 LINKÖPING | |/ aniel |_|\_\ arlsson |__|
RE: Executing java applications
Java Comrade: Java is an interpreted language. To run a Java program you need a Java interpreter. Linux has one or more. You can use Netscape or the Kaffe interpreter. Try ftp://prep.ai.mit.edu. or the primary site is ftp://ftp.sarc.city.ac.uk/pub/kaffe -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, March 09, 1997 7:30 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Executing java applications I'm running Debian-Linux 1.2.6 with Java support, to be able to run Java applications (not applets). My little test program Welcome.java is supposed to write a short message to the screen; it compiles successfully with guavac (it says so), resulting in Welcome.class. But then what? First, Welcome.class isn't executable. After fixing that, an error message complains that it can't find /usr/bin/java -- and sure enough, it isn't there, and neither is /usr/bin/guava. Am I missing something? Is Debian-Linux missing something? Must we only run applets (e.g. under Netscape)? Would appreciate some help on this. -- Henk KosterHome: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Work: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Satisfied user of Linux, OS/2, LaTeX Lucida Bright, and Psion Siena Behavioral axiomas are rational, investors aren't always... Savage =
I screwed up real good.
Hi all: I was screwing around the @#%$#%^@ my /etc/init.d/ppp file. I didn't make a backup. Think I would learn by now. Could someone please send be a copy of their /etc/init.d/ppp file. I tried editing my copy but I'm missing something. Thanks in advance Thanks
Re: zsh vs bash
On 8 Mar 1997, Richard Sharman wrote: [completion control] compctl (completion) has been setup to complete for a variable name if the command is export. While the zsh seemed easier, I guess the bash approach allows you to control it more.) I hope that's a typo.. The zsh way is more powerful. looking in /usr/doc/zsh/examples there are several examples of how to use zsh's advanced completion control. Example: if i type kill -Htab, zsh fills in UP. Next, I type systab, and zsh fills in klogd. The hyphen tells zsh that I want a signal to be completed, and the kill starting the line tells zsh I want a job to be completed. [bash] * Ability to interactively define keyboard macros (similar to within Tried the 'bindkey'-command yet? I use zsh to have alt-d mapped to direnter, I also have alt-z mapped to ../enter (making zsh go to parent directory). I have alt-l mapped to pipelistenter. They prove very useful. I also use bindkey to get INS and DEL keys working properly in the shell. // Jonas [EMAIL PROTECTED] [2:201/262.37]
Re: Executing java applications
Ok, the story goes like this: You compile your applet with guavac/javac and
run it with kaffe/java. Here's an example which uses guavac as a compiler and
java as an interpreter. Kaffe didn't work for me for some reason but the
procedure should be pretty much the same. All these are already packaged for
Debian. Check non-free and devel sections.
#cat Hello.java
class Hello {
public static void main (String[] args) {
System.out.println (Hello, world!);
}
}
#guavac Hello.java
Compilation Successful: 1 classes or interfaces found:
* Hello
#java Hello
Hello, world!
#
Note that you don't need .class suffix when you run your java program.
There is support in the kernel for running the java classfiles from the
command line but it's not on by default. It just runs java interepter for you
and saves you typing a couple of characters.
The 'javac' and 'java' are part of Sun's JDK.
// Heikki
Where is /usr/lib/crt0.o?
I am trying to compile MULE (Multilingual Emacs), yet it cannot find this file. Where might I find it?
Where is /usr/lib/crt0.o?
I am trying to compile MULE (Multilingual Emacs), yet it cannot find this file. Where might I find it? -- terrence brannon [EMAIL PROTECTED] fax:213-740-5687home:213-737-5096 2677 Ellendale Place #206, LA, CA 90007/o)\ neuralcomplab:213-740-3397 http://rana.usc.edu:8376/~brannon \(o/ brainsimlab:213-740-6995
pgp?
Whatever happened to the Debian pgp package? I got one last summer (Debian-1.1 section non-free) which was made by a Brit and contained pgp-2.6.2 (i and us). I would like to upgrade if possible (2.6.3 is around, maybe higher). But a Debian package for pgp is nowhere to be found. Any clues? -- Dr A.R. (Tom) Peters Wittgensteinlaan 149tel.020-4080204 NL-1062 KD Amsterdam e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: I screwed up real good.
Hello Peter!
I can understand you, because I'm working on my PPP connection, too.
Sometimes I'm a bit confused, ...
I didn't modified my /etc/init.d/ppp, so it should work!
Look at ls -Fl /etc/init.d/ppp:
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 510 Dec 8 02:54 /etc/init.d/ppp*
Good luck!
#! /bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/ppp: start or stop PPP.
FLAGS=start 20 2 3 4 5 . stop 20 0 1 6 .
# NO_RESTART_ON_UPGRADE
test -x /usr/sbin/pppd -a -f /etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot || exit 0
case $1 in
start)
start-stop-daemon --start --verbose --exec /usr/sbin/pppd -- \
connect /usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/ppp.chatscript `cat
/etc/ppp.options_out`
;;
stop)
start-stop-daemon --stop --verbose --exec /usr/sbin/pppd
;;
*)
echo Usage: /etc/init.d/ppp {start|stop}
exit 1
esac
exit 0
LARRY ELLISON
The most brilliant mind has his website: http://www.concentric.net/~Cclm
Broken Terminal after telnet or rlogin
Hello debians! I've just installed a small debian system (1.2.4, but ftp updated) My update configuration is stable non-free contrip. All things works just fine, but: ** Sometimes some programs (ae, dselect) don't like the cursor keys. ** Instead I get those dam**d escape sequences. In fact, this happens ** when I telnet or rlogin via PPP to a hpux remote system and set my ** terminal type to vt100 (on the remote system). After disconnecting, I ** have this error. The hpux supports vt100 vt220 hpterm xterm ibm3161 I know, that this is eventually no debian related question, but I don't know who to ask, and I have not installed a news server. (the next big task). If you feel offended by this, please excuse me and send this mail to /dev/null. ** Can anybody help? ** Thank you!
RE: I screwed up real good.
Thanks to everyone who sent me a copy of /etc/init.d/ppp. I'm working again. --
Re: Perl/io/dpkg-ftp and start-stop-daemon (again(again)).
On 7 Mar 1997, Guy Maor wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Skreeg) writes: Due to the ridiuclous dependancies involving Perl,io,libnet and dpkg-ftp I now find dpkg-ftp broken. io was merged into perl and is now obsolete. Remove io and reinstall perl. bash: /usr/sbin/start-stop-daemon: No such file or directory. This is odd since it's finding the correct program and the path for it but is saying it can't find it. Spook! I've looksed in /usr/sbin and start-stop-daemon is definitly in there. This actually means that bash couldn't find the interpreter - /usr/bin/perl. Did you remove perl completely? That would be bad. Here I went and did the same thing. I installed from the unstable distribution, hoping to circumvent the dependency problems in the stable version that result in dpkg-ftp being deleted. Well, dpkg-ftp is still around, but perl is gone. Somehow, the whole modutils package disappeared, too. I remember it saying something like 'could not locate modutils package' or something to that effect in dselect. I thought it was just as well since it was already installed, though. So why would it have deleted them? And perl? -=John Doggett=-
Re: pgp?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, A.R.(Tom)Peters wrote: Whatever happened to the Debian pgp package? [ ... ] In the Debian mirrors there is a file named README.non-US. Please, read it. Thanks. [ Yes, we should add a symlink README.PGP - README.non-US. ] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.3i Charset: latin1 iQCVAgUBMyLjaiqK7IlOjMLFAQEQ5wP5AUN3Dfj9xp8FJ8ONb6sI6Vx9yHEXMJ68 /thoqSlRaBrCdpObb5tiEzsT5JwcoqOApU1KRWyMMMkaK+tZbT49DCG/pfeSyH8v L0jy7iS4ho3Of5JMJ+Mt1Ilk4ktVml0FBPJlHZkoZBN3hF2YEbkAWdE+yLvCDdKG v2+n1GYWq4k= =YMVO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Santiago Vila [EMAIL PROTECTED]
how to intstall Netscape 3.01?
Hi All, I tried to install it from 'contrib' but it was an installer not a package itself. So what I should to do? Thanks forward, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030
Re: zsh vs bash
Both are excellent interactive shells. * automatic completion on variables names, e.g. type export DISP and hit tab. (I just checked, in bash you can use Esc-$ to specifically complete a variable name; in zsh the default compctl (completion) has been setup to complete for a variable name if the command is export. While the zsh seemed easier, I guess the bash approach allows you to control it more.) IIRC bash will complete over variable names when you write a $ at the start. zsh has other cute completion features, e.g. I have this in my .zshrc: hosts=(valour cushioned myrddin tacitus chiark \ mercury.elmailer.net wigwam.elmail.co.uk sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk \ ftp.uu.net ftp.sendmail.org tlingit.elmail.co.uk) ssh=(chiark) compctl -k ssh ssh compctl -k hosts telnet ftp rlogin rsh ping traceroute compctl -k hosts -f rcp scp which gives me hostname completion on a selection of network commands. There are 2 programs that really pay off putting a bit of effort into learning: the shell you use and the editor you use. Picking a simple and easy to use editor is a short sighted approach. Pick a powerful editor and invest some time in learning it. (You don't have to learn it all, and you don't have to learn all that much at first, either.) It will really pack off. And I think the same philosophy applies, perhaps to a lesser degree, to the shell you use. Agreed. -- Richard Kettlewell http://www.elmail.co.uk/~richard/
Done; was (how to intstall Netscape 3.01?)
Thanks, Eugene Sevinian Cosmic Ray Division Yerevan Phisics Institute Alikhanian's Brothers str.2 375036 Yerevan 36 Armenia URL: http://www.yerphi.am/crd/prs/sevinian.html Phone: 374-2-352041 (YerPhI), 374-2-344873 (aprt.) Fax: 374-2-350030
Re: how to intstall Netscape 3.01?
Something I know how to answer!! You'll need to download netscape for Linux from home.netscape.com. You can find it by following the menu choices -- it's layed out pretty good. I suggest you place the tar-file in root's home directory or a subdirectory thereof, then make a symbolic link to it from the /tmp directory. There MUST be a reference to the proper netscape .tar file in /tmp. Then just install as normal, i.e. dpkg --install netscape(etcetc).deb Let me know if this doesn 't work. -- Harmon
Re: Problems Compiling Kernel 2.0.27
Thought wrote: I normally don't compile sound board support, because I never use sound in Linux, but I was just messing around and I decided 'what the hell' and included it when I was remaking my kernel, and I got a bunch of missing configuration files/setup errors when trying to compile too. I just thought 'ahh screw it' and compiled without sound. Is there a problem in 2.0.27 with sound? Same problem here. However when i removed support for the yamaha chip it seemed to work okay. Course then i did a dselect, and got my new kernel replaced and had to build it again. johannes martinez
Re: pgp?
Santiago Vila Doncel [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [ Yes, we should add a symlink README.PGP - README.non-US. ] Yes, I did it yesterday, so mirrors are seeing it now. I estimate that will cut the volume of debian-user by 50%. Guy
Re: Executing java applications
HK == [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: HK I'm running Debian-Linux 1.2.6 with Java support, to be able to HK run Java applications (not applets). My little test program HK Welcome.java is supposed to write a short message to the screen; HK it compiles successfully with guavac (it says so), resulting in HK Welcome.class. But then what? First off, the Java support in the kernel doesn't mean that the kernel can execute Java bytecode. It just means that the kernel can recognize the magic number for a java class and call the java interpreter. You still need to have a java interpreter installed for it to work. HK First, Welcome.class isn't executable. After fixing that, an HK error message complains that it can't find /usr/bin/java -- and HK sure enough, it isn't there, and neither is /usr/bin/guava. javac (or guavac) isn't normally supposed to produce executable programs, just a data file for a java interpreter. It's just hacks in the linux kernel that allow you to 'run' class files. So it doesn't really know it needs to set the x bit. The reason /usr/bin/java doesn't exist is because you don't have a java interpreter installed. guavac doesn't include one - it's only a compiler. HK Am I missing something? Is Debian-Linux missing something? Must HK we only run applets (e.g. under Netscape)? Would appreciate some HK help on this. Install kaffee or or the java development kit (jdk-static or jdk-shared). Both of them contain java interpreters and you'll have /usr/bin/java and be able to run java classes, either through the kernel support, or by runnning java Welcome.class (Which is what the kernel does - the 'support' was just put in there because someone thought it would be fun to say Linux has support for java executables :) -Larry -- Larry Daffner| Linux: Unleash the workstation in your PC! [EMAIL PROTECTED] / http://web2.airmail.net/vizzie/ Ray's Rule of Precision: Measure with a micrometer. Mark with chalk. Cut with an axe.
Will I need special kernel for farrallon pcmcia card?
I just did a 1.2 install onto a new AST ascentia notebook. Now I have Helen Keller Linux running (no X, no network, no mouse yet). The first and most pressing problem is getting it to talk to a farrallon etherwave pcmcia card. Will I need to ftp packages over to the windows side and get a compiler running to get this to work? The pcmcia HOWTO says that this type of card is known to work, but I get an: unsupported card error during bootup. During the install process, several modules were listed as possible to add to the kernel, but many of these choices were not available to implement. I did install the plug+play pcmcia daemon (the name escapes me right now). If anyone has general experience with these notebooks, I would be grateful if they let me know. Thank you, nathan
Laodable Modules
Hi all, I am trying to compile a custom kernel for the usual reasons. I am not seeing any errors during the compile, installation or boot phases, but some of the modules won't install. Here are the steps I took to compile the kernel: mv /lib/modules/2.0.27 /lib/modules/2.0.27.old mv /vmlinuz /vmlinuz.old cd /usr/include mv asm asm.old mv linux linux.old mv scsi scsi.old ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/asm-i386 asm ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/linux linux ln -s /usr/src/linux/include/scsi scsi (linux is a symbolic link to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27 it was a link to /usr/src/kernel-headers-2.0.27 but both give the same errors) make mrproper make xconfig make dep make clean make zImage make modules make modules_install cp /usr/src/kernel-source-2.0.27/arch/i386/boot/zImage /vmlinuz edit /etc/lilo.conf so I have a backdoor if this crashes run LILO edit /etc/modules so that only auto is uncommented reboot login as root $depmod -a $insmod psaux misc_register undefined misc_deregister undefined Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.27) don't match your linux-2.0.27 $modprobe psaux Initialization of psaux failed $insmod misc $insmod psuax Cannot open /lib/modules/misc/psuax.o Checking the datestamp confirms that it was compiled along with the other modules that work. psaux isn't the only module that fails to load, but hpfs and ppp work fine. I can dig through all of the modules and see exactly which ones work and which ones don't if that would help. If an strace of insmod would help I can include that also, but that would have made this message huge. All of the important parts of the system are Debian/GNU. Any clues? I'm relativly new at this, but having a great time learning all of the ins and outs. Thanks Time is the best teacher, unfortunately it kills all of it's students Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] N9NPU
Re: Kernel compilation problem
In message [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: --Multipart_Sat_Mar__8_19:17:27_1997-1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Elie == Elie Rosenblum [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ... Well, I know of this fatal sig 11 thing, but, $%!#$#$%%, it worked before on the same two scsi discs with another distribution. Elie If you have fatal sig 11 during kernel compilation, it Elie almost _always_ means you have either bad L2 cache or a bad Elie simm. ... It can also mean a stuck CPU fan; that's what caused this problem on one of my boxes. I was able to fix it with a little WD-40. I started to get sig11s after upgrading to 2.0.29, even had X bomb out with sig11 coupla times. Resetting the shared Windoze/Linux swap partiton to Linux swap fixed it. Go figure. Dimitri (emaziuk at curtin.edu.au) -- Entia non sunt multiplicanda praeter necessitatem
Re: Locate
when I use locate I get an error. This is what I get if I type like locate what ever. Like locate new.stuff. I get locate: /var/lib/locate/locatedb: No suck file or directory. Can anyone tell me why? And is there a command to see how much disk space I have left? Thanks, Hi Pete not sure about the locate cmd but to see you current disk usage use the df command. look at man df and also man locate. Locate searches through a database of files stored on your machine. You can create or update this file at any time as root, by running 'updatedb'. This ensures that the db exists and is up to date. John - John Ireland JCR Computer Rep Jesus College, OX1 3DW[EMAIL PROTECTED] (01865) 511290http://www.jesus.ox.ac.uk/~jireland `It is a wise man who knows when to quit.' (finger [EMAIL PROTECTED])
RE: subscribe peter@pisys.com
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Re: Laodable Modules
Rob MacWilliams wrote: Hi all, I am trying to compile a custom kernel for the usual reasons. I am not seeing any errors during the snip $insmod psaux misc_register undefined misc_deregister undefined Loading failed! The module symbols (from linux-2.0.27) don't match your linux-2.0.27 $modprobe psaux Initialization of psaux failed $insmod misc $insmod psuax Cannot open /lib/modules/misc/psuax.o You mispelled psaux as psuax here; did you mispell it when you did it live??? Yes, if I spell it correctly, it gives the same error as the previous example (symbols don't match). Thanks for the catch. Other than that, everything else seems copacetic. snip Ralph Winslow [EMAIL PROTECTED] Someday soon I really MUST find a way to piss away a LOT of bandwidth on this .sig That is funny. LOL Thanks Still Confused, Rob Time is the best teacher, unfortunately it kills all of it's students Rob MacWilliams [EMAIL PROTECTED] N9NPU
pgp!
Oops... apparently that is a FAQ. Sorry; I just couldn't find it in the Packages lists (neither can dselect). -- Dr A.R. (Tom) Peters Wittgensteinlaan 149tel.020-4080204 NL-1062 KD Amsterdam e-mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Mouse and mounting problems
Hello! Now I've almost got the mouse to work in X. It's only the middle button that doesn't want to work. How do I make it work? I've also tried to mount my floppy drive. I wrote the following at the command line: mount -t msdos /dev/fd0 /floppy and I got the message: mount: /dev/fd0 is not a valid block device How do I cure this one? _ __ __ | _ \ | |/ / | E-post: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | | | | | ' / | WWW : http://www-und.ida.liu.se/~c95danka/ | | | | | | | Tel : 013 - 17 82 76 | | |_| | | . \ | Adress: Rydsvägen 246 C:21 584 34 LINKÖPING | |/ aniel |_|\_\ arlsson |__|
Re: ethernet routing problem?
On Mon, 3 Mar 1997, Steve Izma wrote: I've been setting up Debian 1.2.4 (25 Jan.: Cheapbytes distribution) on two new Pentium 150 systems and I can't get network routing over ethernet to work. Installation of netbase and netstd seemed to go well using dselect, except for an unsurprising temporary problem in finding the right i/o port for the ethernet card. I'm using the D-link DE220P, which the ne driver easily finds. Ifconfig gives this report, which I believe shows correct configuration of the driver to the card: eth0 Link encap:10Mbps Ethernet HWaddr 00:80:C8:2D:7D:8F inet addr:192.54.242.228 Bcast:192.54.242.255 Mask:255.255.255.0 UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1 RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 TX packets:4117 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 Interrupt:11 Base address:0x220 Pinging the localhost works fine, but pinging anything else on the network (even the immediately adjacent device connected via coax) produces no result. I'm sure it's not a wiring problem because the rest of the machines on the network are not affected and I get the same negative results using ping on both new machines, which are wired into the network in different locations in the office. does the card have more than one connector? i.e. BNC and/or RJ-45 and/or AUI connectors? If so, make sure that the card is correctly configured to use the right connector for your network. 4117 TX packets and 0 RX packets makes me a bit suspicious that, e.g., the card is configured to use the RJ-45 UTP connector when you are running on a coax network - or vice-versa. check the output of 'dmesg' (or 'tail /var/log/messages') - cabling problems like this usually show error messages in the logs. Trying ftp produces the error: no route to host. So I assume this is some sort of routing problem. no, it's not routing. you get that same 'no route to host' message when your computer can't figure out a host's ethernet address using arp. to send a packet to a host on the local ethernet, your machine will send out an 'arp who-has' request and wait for an 'arp is-at' reply. This builds up the kernel's arp table so it knows which hosts (ethernet cards, actually) correspond to which IP addresses. here's an example of what happens - excerpt of output from tcpdump: # tcpdump -l | grep arp 09:47:52.279492 arp who-has taz.net.au tell proxy.taz.net.au 09:47:52.279492 arp who-has siva.taz.net.au tell proxy.taz.net.au 09:47:52.279492 arp reply siva.taz.net.au is-at 0:0:c0:a:44:a5 09:47:52.279492 arp reply taz.net.au is-at 0:0:c0:5:c3:14 . . 09:48:01.741658 arp who-has kali.taz.net.au tell siva.taz.net.au 09:48:01.741658 arp reply kali.taz.net.au is-at 0:0:c0:bc:2f:41 and this is part of what the arp table looks like on siva: # arp -a Address HWtype HWaddress Flags Mask Iface taz.net.au ether 00:00:C0:05:C3:14 C * eth0 kali.taz.net.au ether 00:00:C0:BC:2F:41 C * eth0 proxy.taz.net.auether 00:00:C0:9F:96:42 C * eth0 if your machine is sending out the arp who-has request and doesn't get the arp reply then it will be unable to send a packet to the target host. my guess is that it is unable to get the arp 'is-at' reply because it is using the wrong connector. you say your network is coax...make sure that the card is using the BNC connector and NOT an AUI or RJ-45 connector. Depending on the type of card you have, you may have to configure this by setting jumpers on the card. Some cards can be set up with ms-dos based configuration programs. Some cards even have linux config tools. Some newer cards can auto-detect whether the network is coax or rj-45. The problem is identical on both machines with the new distribution. I've compared everything I can think of to another machine we have running Debian 1.1 (dating from last June). All the files in init.d appear to be the same (/etc/init.d/net*). The machine with 1.1 works fine. it looks like a hardware fault or hardware configuration problem to me, not software. how many other machines are on the network? do you get any response if you do a broadcast ping (i.e. ping the broadcast address 192.54.242.255)? craig
How to install own kernel
Hi! Can someone tell me step by step how to install a new kernel in Debian. I know how to do it in Slackware but it seems to be a little different in debian. My /usr/include directory is full of subdirs, I usually set the /usr/include/linux as a link to point to my kernelsource but it's a bit difficult when it is a subdir already. I want to install kernel 2.0.29 can I just download it from sunsite and install it ... I've understand that you can make an own kernel-image.deb (does I have to)? Thanks in advance/ Micke -- --- E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] HomePage : http://mds.mdh.se/~cel95mhl PGP-Key available from : http://www.mds.mdh.se/~cel95mhl or finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
RE: How to install own kernel
Mikael: Installing a kernel is easy. 1st go to /usr/src and find the linux directory. If you don't have one you can't install a new kernel. If you have a linux directory. go into it and read the README. Starting at about line 60 there is a step by step set of instructions on how to build the kernel. Mikael Hallendal wrote: Hi! Can someone tell me step by step how to install a new kernel in Debian. I know how to do it in Slackware but it seems to be a little different in debian. My /usr/include directory is full of subdirs, I usually set the /usr/include/linux as a link to point to my kernelsource but it's a bit difficult when it is a subdir already. I want to install kernel 2.0.29 can I just download it from sunsite and install it ... I've understand that you can make an own kernel-image.deb (does I have to)? Thanks in advance/ Micke -- --- E-mail : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : [EMAIL PROTECTED] HomePage : http://mds.mdh.se/~cel95mhl PGP-Key available from : http://www.mds.mdh.se/~cel95mhl or finger [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: Serial ports/Speak Freely/Video/Installation Dependencies...
On Wed, 5 Mar 1997, Mark Lever wrote: getty processed on ttyS1 block modem access to cua1. When a getty is running (getty, agetty, uugetty or mgetty) and I try to run kermit (or minicom or statserial) I get a can't open device error. Why? They didn't used to. Is this a new kernel feature? ttyS devices and cua devices use different locking methods. cua devices are obsolete, and have been obsolete in the linux kernel for nearly a year now - they are only kept for compatibility with older programs which haven't been patched to use the ttyS* locking method. So, use ttyS devices for ALL of your serial ports, for all applications - getty, mgetty, kermit, minicom etc. If you are using mgetty then you do not need to use uugetty - mgetty can do everything the getty_ps/uugetty can do and a whole lot more. Also, on another subject, is there any way network audio system can co-exist with speak freely? I use speak freely to listen to my house while I'm at work. I have two dogs I like to keep and ear on. Is there any reason that I can only operate with -DAUDIO_BLOCKING? I have a SB16 installed and I think it supports bi-directional sound (i. e. /dev/audio and /dev/mixer are independent). not as far as i know - i find this a bit annoying myself...i sometimes use the real audio player, or xanim, neither of which will work with NAS running. I usually run '/etc/init.d/nas stop' to kill NAS just before running something which can't work with it, and '/etc/init.d/nas start' to restart it again afterwards. It would be nice if NAS could run out of inetd or as a non-blocking daemon. But AFAIK it can't. Craig
Re: Problems Compiling Kernel 2.0.27
trouble here too, I hope the new modutils takes care of this, I like sound with my quake...:-) Rich M [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Sun, 9 Mar 1997, johannes martinez wrote: Date: Sun, 09 Mar 1997 13:34:11 -0500 From: johannes martinez [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Problems Compiling Kernel 2.0.27 Resent-Date: 9 Mar 1997 18:40:22 - Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; Thought wrote: I normally don't compile sound board support, because I never use sound in Linux, but I was just messing around and I decided 'what the hell' and included it when I was remaking my kernel, and I got a bunch of missing configuration files/setup errors when trying to compile too. I just thought 'ahh screw it' and compiled without sound. Is there a problem in 2.0.27 with sound? Same problem here. However when i removed support for the yamaha chip it seemed to work okay. Course then i did a dselect, and got my new kernel replaced and had to build it again. johannes martinez
