Re: SWAP or swap

1998-05-30 Thread Rev. Joseph Carter
On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 04:42:01PM -0500, Matthew D. Myers wrote:
> Can anyone verify this.. I don't wanna waste disk space if it's not gonna be
> used.  Thanks to you George.

It was at one point 16 megs, but it's been 128 for some time now.


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Help! My debian machine has a mind of its own!

1998-05-30 Thread timothy
Hi,
I have been using Debian 2.0 (from install disks) along with kernel
2.0.33 for the past month or two. My Debian box serves httpd, ftpd, telnetd for
some friends: 24/7 on a permanent ppp modem link. It also has NT and with linux
loaded off the NT boot loader. NT is the default choice.
Recently: like within the last few weeks, many times when I get up in
the morning, I just see the NT logon screen. And when I reboot and load linux,
it says the partitions were not cleanly unmounted, and goes thru pages and pages
of fixing and updating inodes and stuff. Implying that somehow it resets itself
in the night. At first I assumed it must be short power failures, but it just
happened afew minutes ago when I was in the next room and there was no
powerfailure. 
Unfourunately, it has never done it while i've been there to see what
happens: Which is funny because I use my machine at least 8 hours / day. I find
nothing unusual in my syslog or kernlog either! :(.  Any ideas what is going
on? I am very desperate for help, because if this keeps going on, no doubt
something important will get damanged when it unmounts uncleanly. (Right now
just my mail files and stuff get fried).

Thanks alot for any help in advance!!!
Timothy Hospedales

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Re: SWAP or swap

1998-05-30 Thread the lone gunman
On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 04:30:22PM -0500, Matthew D. Myers wrote:
> I have been running my linux with approx. 100 MB swap partition, all how to's 
> and books say no swap partition bigger than 16 MB.
> 
> What's the story, does linux REALLY not use any more that 16MB swap?

I've also heard it's a question of how much ram do you have...  I
believe I heard somewhere, that the rule of thumb for swap space is 2
times the amount of ram you have.

But you also need to consider how much swap space you'll need in
regards to how much load you put on your system.  If you have a lot of
physical ram, and don't put much of a load on your system, then a big
swap shouldn't be necessary.

For instance, I have 96mb of ram, and a 48mb swap, but I don't put
enough load on my system that Linux ever has to swap.  In fact, most
of my applications are cached, so disk access is virtually nill.


Have a good one!
Matt


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Thanks

1998-05-30 Thread Matthew D. Myers
Okay.. thanks guys!




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Re: SWAP or swap

1998-05-30 Thread Matthew D. Myers

-Original Message-
From: George Bonser <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Matthew D. Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org 
Date: Saturday, May 30, 1998 5:33 PM
Subject: Re: SWAP or swap


>On Sat, 30 May 1998, Matthew D. Myers wrote:
>
>> I have been running my linux with approx. 100 MB swap partition, all how
to's and books say no swap partition bigger than 16 MB.
>>
>> What's the story, does linux REALLY not use any more that 16MB swap?
>>
>
>Linux will use up to 128MB per swap partition, I think.
>
>
>
>George Bonser
>
>Microsoft! Which end of the stick do you want today?
>
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Can anyone verify this.. I don't wanna waste disk space if it's not gonna be
used.  Thanks to you George.




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Re: SWAP or swap

1998-05-30 Thread David Z. Maze

Matthew D Myers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
MDM> I have been running my linux with approx. 100 MB swap partition,
MDM> all how to's and books say no swap partition bigger than 16 MB.
MDM> 
MDM> What's the story, does linux REALLY not use any more that 16MB
MDM> swap?

The correct story is that Linux won't use more than 128MB of swap in
any given swap file/partition, but you can have multiple swap areas if 
this is a problem.  100MB of swap shouldn't be a problem.

MDM> [2 ]

Please reconfigure your mailreader to send plain-text only...

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SWAP or swap

1998-05-30 Thread Matthew D. Myers




I have been running my linux with approx. 100 MB 
swap partition, all how to's and books say no swap partition bigger than 16 
MB.
 
What's the story, does linux REALLY not use any 
more that 16MB swap?


non-removable file

1998-05-30 Thread Corey Miller
I had my computer lose power, and when I rebooted it fsck reported
that I needed to run it manually. I did so, and it seemed to fix the
problem. However, today I noticed a change in one of my files in my home
directory. It looked like this:

c--xr---wx   1 130918308  35,  32 Sep  8  1996 README

I cant seem to find any way to remove it, even as root. I tried
everything that I could think of, and it wouldn't even let me change the
permissions on it. Any ideas on how I can deal with this? Thanks for your
help,

Corey Miller

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Re: Installing Java JDK 1.1.5 on Debian 1.1? (fwd)

1998-05-30 Thread Marcus Johnson
Yeeehaa!  I tried the JDK 1.1.5v7 on Debian 1.1 and javac actually
executed out of the box, with no configuration!  Maybe that sounds like no
big deal, but I count that as an enormous victory after fumbling around
with 1.1.5v5 for quite a while. I'll report back after more testing if
there's any wierdness or anything.

ttys,

Marcus




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Re: autoup v0.22 problem

1998-05-30 Thread Ed Cogburn
Ralph Winslow wrote:
> 
> I finally bit the bullet and picked up autoup22 by downloading
> autoup.tar.gz,
> unpacking it, chmod +x ./autoup.sh && ./autoup.sh. I answered c to the
> what
> method and it crashed with 'unexpected EOF' (See attached script
> output).


I used FTP to get the necessary files, so I've not seen the problem you 
are
seeing, but note that autoup22 is out of date.  The latest is .25 or .27
(not sure) at http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup/.


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Re: begginner

1998-05-30 Thread Ed Cogburn
cc wrote:
> 
> I am running window 95 and I have 2 hard drive. The 1st is a 2 gig and it is
> partitioned. My d drive is 1 gig and where I want to install debian. Will I
> be able to do this safely. I want to have the choice of which one I want run
> or if it is possible to be able to run debian and also windows 95 at the
> same time.
> I would also like to know what I will need in order to connect to the
> internet using debian and how to do it.
> 


Yes you can safely put deb on one drive and keep win on the other.

Using lilo (linux loader) you can choose which (win/deb) to run at boot
time, but no you can't run both simultaneously.

As for the internet, well that's a pretty broad question.  You don't 
need
any other software, at least.  Debian comes with all the software you need
for this.  As for "how to do it", well thats a *really* broad question :-). 
If your getting deb on a cd distribution, look for some kind of
documentation directory on the cd(s).  You should find somewhere, a whole
bunch of FAQs, HowTos and other documentation.  Look for ones about
NetWorking/Internet.  If your getting internet access thru an ISP via a
dialup connection, you should start with docs about PPP, as that is what
you'll need with debian (PPP is a communications protocol which is the
favored way to connect with ISPs).  If all of this gibberish to you, you
should realy start at the beginning with a good book on Linux (as a lot of
us did; I've go a stack of books about Linux and Unix in general).


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Re: Linux and DOS: was Linux the hard way

1998-05-30 Thread Ed Cogburn
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> After loading most of the .deb files to my Linux partition on hda, dselect
> ran out of space to actually install! I finally decided to just start over.
> I have swapped the hard drives around so DOS is on hda and Linux is now
> re-installed from floppy on hdc. The system would not automatically
> configure to boot from hdc and I want to have a dual-boot system for DOS
> and Linux. I know DOS 'needs' to be on the first hard drive, that's why I
> swapped them. How do I configure LILO to dual-boot this set-up? My current
> etc/lilo.conf reads:
> 
> boot=
> root=/dev/hdc1
> compact
> install=/boot/boot.b
> map=/boot/map
> vga=normal
> delay=20
> image=/vmlinuz
> label=Linux
> read-only
> 
> The DOS drive, hda is now mounted at /dos. I can then use hyperterm to load
> the .deb packages to the /dos drive to install.
> Sorry for the simple question but, I've looked through my past E-Mails and
> the how-to's and can't seem to find instructions for this. ( I'm probably
> blind by this stage, but I am determined to get Linux up and running on
> this machine if it kills me!)
> Thanks again for all your assistance and understanding.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
>  John Gay
> 


Are you using DOS's boot-up menu?  If you are, then using loadlin is 
easier
then lilo.  You can make Linux an option on DOS's boot menu, and run linux
directly from config.sys.


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kde (hamm) won't load

1998-05-30 Thread Bob Nielsen
I installed kde-base and several other kde packages and edited
/etc/X11/window-managers to put /usr/X11R6/bin/kde first, but when I type
'startx', X starts up and then dies without any error messages before the 
window manager loads. Is there something I missed?

Bob


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Re: autoup v0.22 problem

1998-05-30 Thread Bob Hilliard
Ralph Winslow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I finally bit the bullet and picked up autoup22 by downloading
> autoup.tar.gz,
> unpacking it, chmod +x ./autoup.sh && ./autoup.sh. I answered c to the
> what
> method and it crashed with 'unexpected EOF' (See attached script
> output).
> 
> I can't see anything wrong with autoup.sh (which see) - I checked () "" 
> <<__EOF__ __EOF__.  Anyone have a clue?

Hi,
 That bug in v0.22 was reported and fixed some time ago. (The
problem is that __EOF__ must be on the start of a line.)

 The version of autoup.sh (0.23) on www.debian.org is obsolete
(unless it has been upgraded today).  The current version is 0.27, and
is available from http://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup/,
http://taz.net.au/autoup/, or ftp://debian.vicnet.net.au/autoup/.

 Current versions of autoup.tar.gz are just a tarball of the files
needed to run autoup.sh.  The script has to be downloaded separately.

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Re: No E 14 yet

1998-05-30 Thread Martin Schulze
On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 03:47:03PM -0400, Norbert Veber wrote:
> On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 09:28:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hi all, I am at Linux Expo and there is STILL no E 14 yet.  So the wait 
> > continues.
> 
> what is E 14? :)

I guess this is E(nlightenment) 0.14 or so.

Regards,

Joey

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Re: No E 14 yet

1998-05-30 Thread Norbert Veber
On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 09:28:17AM -0400, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all, I am at Linux Expo and there is STILL no E 14 yet.  So the wait 
> continues.

what is E 14? :)


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slrn question

1998-05-30 Thread timothy
Hi! I just installed slrn,
I am doing "slrn -f .newsrc -create" to get the list of groups from my
news server. After getting afew hundred kilobytes, it says the connection to the
server has been lost and stops. (I have a pretty slow ppp link).
So, Is there any way I can get it to resume downloading of groups?
Because it never gets all the groups before giving up.

Thanks in advance,
Timothy

PS: If not, is there any other newsreader that will resume downloading groups?

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X installation for ATI Page II+

1998-05-30 Thread Gutraind
Hi!
i'm pretty new to linux, and still struggling. i've installed bo 2
months ago.
I've AMD K6, 32M RAM, ATI Page II+ with 4M.

i can't startx.
i wanted to ask whether anybody encountered special problems with ATI
Page II+, because my debian reacts only to ctrl+alt+del EVEN after I
select
the generic VGA adapter and standard VGA as monitors.
But the setup, working on that default selection itself, works fine!


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Re: How to configure smail

1998-05-30 Thread Martin Bialasinski

> "KAV" == Keith Alen Vance <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

KAV> I have tried to configure my Linux system several times to pull down my 
KAV> Internet email and I never get it to work. I currently have to telnet in 
KAV> to my isp and get my mail that way. It works but I would rather get my 
KAV> mail like a normal person and have pine setup locally.

Did you try the fetchmail package? Smail can't fetch your mail from a POP3 
or IMAP server.

Ciao,
Martin


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How to configure smail

1998-05-30 Thread Keith Alen Vance
I have tried to configure my Linux system several times to pull down my 
Internet email and I never get it to work. I currently have to telnet in 
to my isp and get my mail that way. It works but I would rather get my 
mail like a normal person and have pine setup locally.


Thanks
Keith
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Re: Moving passwd/shadow file

1998-05-30 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Sat, 30 May 1998, John Plate wrote:

: Hi
: 
: I've noticed that the SAME password on two different Linux systems are
: encoded differently so that if user "" uses password "" on two
: Linux systems, the encoding is different in each /etc/shadow file.
: 
: This implies that in case of a crash, user accounts cannot easily be
: moved to another machine. 
: 
: Any advise will be appreciated.
: -- 
: John Plate <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

No, this is a feature.  You can indeed cut and paste the encrypted
password field from one box to another - I've done this several times.
However, the `passwd' command chooses a random salt when it hashes the
password entry so that they do NOT look the same.  Admittedly, this was
more of an issue before shadow passwords existed; it was an attempt to
make it non obvious that two encrypted passwords were indeed the same.

I hope that makes sense :)  Your concerns about moving accounts are
unfounded.

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Re: Soundblaster 16 PnP Help

1998-05-30 Thread Ian Keith Setford
Yo-

>   I am in the process of trying to get my SoundBlaster 16 pnp card set
> up and have read through the Kernel-Howto, Sound-Howto, and SB16 pnp
> mini-howto, and had a couple of questions on how to do this. If anyone has
> this set up, SB16pnp card and Debian 2.0 (Deep Frozen), along with the Kernel
> 2.033, I would like your input.
You asked!

>   1. What card do I select when compiling the kernel? I thought I would
> chose the Sound Blaster 16, but wanted to make sure.
Choose the SB16.

>   2. In the mini-how to it says to add a few lines in your boot up
> process to load the monuals. But I cannot find the /etc/rc.d/rc.M file. What
> is the debian equivalent? (This is the /sbin/isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf line).
I use isapnptools and the pnpdump and isapnp programs it contains.  You
must know the IRQ and DMA addresses.  

>   I did try compiling the kernel yesterday and failed totally. It
> would not boot. So I am asking everyone here for some help. Just not real sure
> what to do to get it working.
Did you get compile errors?  Did you run make zimage or zlilo?  Oh yeah,
sound *MUST* be compiled as a MODULE in order for it to work.

Hope that helps.

-Ian

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Soundblaster 16 PnP Help

1998-05-30 Thread Mike Acklin
Hello again,

I am in the process of trying to get my SoundBlaster 16 pnp card set
up and have read through the Kernel-Howto, Sound-Howto, and SB16 pnp
mini-howto, and had a couple of questions on how to do this. If anyone has
this set up, SB16pnp card and Debian 2.0 (Deep Frozen), along with the Kernel
2.033, I would like your input.

1. What card do I select when compiling the kernel? I thought I would
chose the Sound Blaster 16, but wanted to make sure.

2. In the mini-how to it says to add a few lines in your boot up
process to load the monuals. But I cannot find the /etc/rc.d/rc.M file. What
is the debian equivalent? (This is the /sbin/isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf line).

I did try compiling the kernel yesterday and failed totally. It
would not boot. So I am asking everyone here for some help. Just not real sure
what to do to get it working.

Thanks for you help in advance.

Mike Acklin
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/usr/lib/crt1.o problems after hamm upgrade

1998-05-30 Thread servis
Hi all,

I just finished an upgrade to hamm and I am having problems.  The first
thing I decied to do was compile a new kernel.  So I download the
kernel-2.0.32 source package.  When I 'make menuconfig'  it breaks with

/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0xe): undefined reference to `__libc_init_first'
/usr/lib/crt1.o(.text+0x18): undefined reference to `_environ'

I have libc6-dev 2.0.7pre1-4 installed.

Any pointers?

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Moving passwd/shadow file

1998-05-30 Thread John Plate
Hi

I've noticed that the SAME password on two different Linux systems are
encoded differently so that if user "" uses password "" on two
Linux systems, the encoding is different in each /etc/shadow file.

This implies that in case of a crash, user accounts cannot easily be
moved to another machine. 

Any advise will be appreciated.
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which script is missing from rpm

1998-05-30 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

Which script is it that rpm doesn't have, that dpkg does?  I had thought it 
was the post-removal, but I'm being challenged on that:

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Rick Hawkins) wrote:
>rpm was modeled after debian's dpkg, but
>without all of the functionality (for openers, it doesn't support
>post-removal scripts).

Are you sure rpm does not support post-removal scripts?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]$ rpm -q --scripts ncurses
postinstall script (through /bin/sh):
/sbin/ldconfig
postuninstall script (through /bin/sh):
/sbin/ldconfig


thanks

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Re: recursive get with ftp?

1998-05-30 Thread Steve Lamb
On Sat, 30 May 1998 15:45:50 +0200 (MET DST), Marco Frattola wrote:

>is there any way to get a whole directory structure (and files within) with 
>>an ftp command? mget doesn't create directory
>I need this to fix a debian machine, which I stupidly misinstalled

Get ncftp or lftp.


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recursive get with ftp?

1998-05-30 Thread Marco Frattola
Hi all,
is there any way to get a whole directory structure (and files within) with an
ftp command? mget doesn't create directory
I need this to fix a debian machine, which I stupidly misinstalled

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Re: Linux and DOS: was Linux the hard way

1998-05-30 Thread John_Gay
The first drive is 800M with DOS 6.22 installed and nothing else at the
moment. I plan to install DJGPP on this drive for C Programming. The second
drive is 600M with 128M for swap disk and the rest for Linux. I originally
had the drives the other way around, but was told that DOS won't boot from
anything but the first drive. I would prefer NOT to re-partition the
first(DOS) drive as I don't have any way to re-install DOS and don't want
to risk loosing it. I know I've seen this set-up explained somewhere
before, I just can't seem to find it now. I can live with using the boot
disk as it give me some protection, I just wanted the info so I could get
it set up when I have the rest of the system ready to go 'on-line' Thanks
again for your help.

Cheers,

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Re: Less in color?

1998-05-30 Thread DAVID B. TEAGUE

On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Asher Haig wrote:
> Is there a version of Less that will support color ls?

Asher

My settings are as follows. I have no trouble with ls |less.

09:49:54:~$alias ls
alias ls='/usr/bin/color-ls $LS_OPTIONS '
09:49:58:~$echo $LS_OPTIONS
--8bit --color=tty -F

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Re: Linux and DOS: was Linux the hard way

1998-05-30 Thread John_Gay
Since this system is only currently installed from the Base floppies, I
don't have access to the 'man' command. I am new to the UNIX and Linux
environment so I appreciate simple, step-by-step assistance. When I get the
system installed and running right, I can get comfortable with it and start
to stand on my own two feet then. Thanks again for your assistance.

Cheers,

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Re: system does not recognize 64 MB RAM

1998-05-30 Thread Jaakko Niemi
>> I know this is not a debian problem but maybe someone has an idea:
>> 
>> Today I replaced the 32 MB SDRAM chip in my computer with a 64 MB SDRAM
>> chip but the system - starting with the BIOS! - only recognizes 32 MB.
>> 
>> I tried all of the three DIMM banks, had a look at the BIOS options but
>> all without success. I also checked for BIOS updates that might be known
>> to fix this but nothing.
>> 
>> The board is an Elitegroup P5TX-A with Intel TX chipset. The 64 MB RAM
>> chip works well in another computer.
>> 
>> Any ideas how to get things working?

 If the BIOS will not find it, there is nothing you can do - you have a 'broken'
 motherboard that will not support DIMMs with more than 1 row / DIMM and 
 that 64mb one does have 2 rows. Get a second 32mb DIMM or change that
 64mb one to a single row one. I'd suggest getting a second 32mb, because
 they are cheaper and your not going to put more than 64mb on that mb
 anyways.

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No E 14 yet

1998-05-30 Thread shaleh
Hi all, I am at Linux Expo and there is STILL no E 14 yet.  So the wait 
continues.


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Re: How to upgrade from smail to exim?

1998-05-30 Thread Jaakko Niemi
>> Hallo,
>> 
>> Why do you call that an "upgrade"?  I have tried out exim several times
>> without success.  In my opinion smail is much easier to install and works
>> with a lot less problems than exim.

 I couldn't get smail to work and went to exim, which worked almost out-of-
 the box. :)

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Re: Quake

1998-05-30 Thread Jaakko Niemi
>> On Thu, 28 May 1998, Michael Beattie wrote:
>> 
>> > On Wed, 27 May 1998, Joey Hess wrote:
>> > 
>> > > Michael Beattie wrote:
>> > > > -sndbits 8  gave me a promising result, just a bit of clicking
>> > > > occasionally, I could live with it.. but.. Is there any other cure, or 
>> > > > if
>> > > > not, where can I put the parameter as a default so I dont need to type 
>> > > > it
>> > > > every time?
>> > > 
>> > > I'm afraid you'll have to type it every time. You caqn set up a shell 
>> > > script
>> > > or alias.
>> > 
>> > Okay.. thanks.
>> 
>> I've since worked out it is svgalib causing the problems... other svaglib
>> games have the same problem. Are there any settings to do with sound in
>> svgalib?

 I also could not get Q2 to work with svgalib in either gl or svga modes, under
 X it worked fine. Then I compiled svgalib from the sources and it worked fine. 

 I guess I'll have to file a bugreport. It is definately a release-critical 
bug, if
 quake doesn't work ;)

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exim defering local deliveries

1998-05-30 Thread Steve Lamb
I just replaced sendmail with exim.  So far everything is working great
except exim is defering local deliveries.  An example from the log file:

1998-05-30 01:56:49 0yfhRX-0006Ky-00 <= [EMAIL PROTECTED] H=localhost
(morpheus) [127.0.0.1] U=morpheus P=smtp S=296
1998-05-30 01:56:49 0yfhRX-0006Ky-00 == [EMAIL PROTECTED]
T=local_delivery defer (-1): appendfile transport process returned non-zero
status 0x0100: exit code 1
1998-05-30 01:56:49 0yfhRX-0006Ky-00 Frozen

If I force it to deliver (exim -M) it works fine.  Also after an hour or
two on its own it will deliver the mail.  I appear to have everything set up
correctly so I am at a loss as to where to look.  I'm sure this is a FAQ but
it doesn't seem that the exim home page has a FAQ up yet.  :/


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Linux and DOS: was Linux the hard way

1998-05-30 Thread John_Gay
After loading most of the .deb files to my Linux partition on hda, dselect
ran out of space to actually install! I finally decided to just start over.
I have swapped the hard drives around so DOS is on hda and Linux is now
re-installed from floppy on hdc. The system would not automatically
configure to boot from hdc and I want to have a dual-boot system for DOS
and Linux. I know DOS 'needs' to be on the first hard drive, that's why I
swapped them. How do I configure LILO to dual-boot this set-up? My current
etc/lilo.conf reads:

boot=
root=/dev/hdc1
compact
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
image=/vmlinuz
label=Linux
read-only

The DOS drive, hda is now mounted at /dos. I can then use hyperterm to load
the .deb packages to the /dos drive to install.
Sorry for the simple question but, I've looked through my past E-Mails and
the how-to's and can't seem to find instructions for this. ( I'm probably
blind by this stage, but I am determined to get Linux up and running on
this machine if it kills me!)
Thanks again for all your assistance and understanding.

Cheers,

 John Gay



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Re: fvwm window "shadows" don't move...

1998-05-30 Thread Edward Betts
On Thu, 28 May, 1998, Adrian Bridgett wrote:

> You probably just have XORvalue set to a bad value, try adding this to
> ~/.fvwm2rc:
> 
> XORvalue 16777215

Wow, I have had that problem since the beginning of the year, thanks for
giving the solution.

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Re: WindowMaker | Menu? - Xterms

1998-05-30 Thread Edward Betts
On Fri, 29 May, 1998, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Cool! Thanks alot! 
> Can you tell me where is the documentation for this .Xresources file?
> man .xresources, man -k xresources etc don't have anything. :(

man X

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Re: Less in color?

1998-05-30 Thread storm
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Asher Haig wrote:

> Is there a version of Less that will support color ls?

ls --color=always | less -r



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Re: Less in color?

1998-05-30 Thread Asher Haig
George Bonser, [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 5/30/98 6:08 AM

>
>try ls --color=always
>
>
>
>On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Asher Haig wrote:
>
>> Is there a version of Less that will support color ls?
>> 

That doesn't seem to do anything different. My problem is that when I 
pipe an ls to less, I end up with a bunch of b/w color codes instead of 
colors. Makes it hard to read.


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Successfully configured OPL3-SAx

1998-05-30 Thread Cheng-Chang Wu
Hi, Matthew,

>How does one configure a sound card, and is the yamaha OPL3-SAx sound
>board supported, and if not, If I connect my driver CD to my website, can
>someone do a driver, please?

I had the same problem like yours. I wonder if you really have solved
it. I have just successfully configured my sound card :) , with the help
of the following home page:


http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscraper/solo/216/index.html


Cheng-Chang Wu


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Less in color?

1998-05-30 Thread Asher Haig
Is there a version of Less that will support color ls?


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Re: pon - When am I connected?

1998-05-30 Thread Mike Schmitz
On Fri, May 29, 1998 at 10:01:32PM -0600, Lazar Fleysher wrote:
> 
> 
> Maybe it is not the best way, but I have the following command in my
> ip-up script.
> 
> wall PPP is UP

Better make thatecho PPP is UP | wall

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autoup v0.22 problem

1998-05-30 Thread Ralph Winslow
I finally bit the bullet and picked up autoup22 by downloading
autoup.tar.gz,
unpacking it, chmod +x ./autoup.sh && ./autoup.sh. I answered c to the
what
method and it crashed with 'unexpected EOF' (See attached script
output).

I can't see anything wrong with autoup.sh (which see) - I checked () "" 
<<__EOF__ __EOF__.  Anyone have a clue?
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Script started on Fri May 29 18:34:49 1998
# ./autoup.sh

sh: ./autoup.sh: cannot execute - Permission denied
# chmod +x .autoup.sh

chmod: .autoup.sh: No such file or directory
# l

/home/rjw/autoup
./libg++27_2.7.2.1-14.3.deb
../   libgdbm1_1.7.3-25.deb
READMElibgdbmg1_1.7.3-25.deb
autoup.README libnet-perl_1.0502-1.deb
autoup.changelog  libreadline2_2.1-10.deb
autoup.script libreadlineg2_2.1-10.deb
autoup.sh libstdc++2.8_2.90.28-0.1.deb
autoup.tar.gz locales_2.0.7pre1-4.deb
bash_2.01.1-3.deb ncurses3.0_1.9.9e-2.1.deb
data-dumper_2.07-1.debncurses3.4_1.9.9g-8.5.deb
dpkg-dev_1.4.0.22.deb netbase_3.09-1.deb
dpkg-ftp_1.4.9.6.deb  netstd_3.07-1.deb
dpkg-mountable_0.7.debperl-base_5.004.04-5.deb
dpkg_1.4.0.22.deb perl_5.004.04-5.deb
ldso_1.9.9-1.deb  slang0.99.34_0.99.38-4.deb
libc5_5.4.38-1.debslang0.99.38_0.99.38-4.deb
libc6_2.0.7pre1-4.deb timezones_2.0.7pre1-4.deb
libg++272_2.7.2.8-0.1.deb upg2hamm.msg
# dir au*

/home/rjw/autoup
  87504 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff6843 Mar 26 09:39 autoup.README
  87586 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff6748 Mar 26 09:39 autoup.changelog
  87517 -rw-r--r--   1 root root  114 May 29 18:35 autoup.script
  87503 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff   14977 Mar 26 09:40 autoup.sh
  87620 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff 8893262 May 29 15:39 autoup.tar.gz
# ./autoup.sh

sh: ./autoup.sh: cannot execute - Permission denied
# chmod +x ./autoup.sh

# chmod +x ./autoup.sh
# ./autoup.sh 
# dir au*
# 

/home/rjw/autoup
  87504 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff6843 Mar 26 09:39 autoup.README
  87586 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff6748 Mar 26 09:39 autoup.changelog
  87517 -rw-r--r--   1 root root 1567 May 29 18:36 autoup.script
  87503 -rwxr-xr-x   1 rjw  staff   14977 Mar 26 09:40 autoup.sh*
  87620 -rw-r--r--   1 rjw  staff 8893262 May 29 15:39 autoup.tar.gz
# dir au*
# chmod +x ./autoup.sh
# ./autoup.sh 
# 

This script will install the packages necessary to ensure a safe upgrade
to hamm.  

You need to either have a local or remote mirror mounted, or have the
latest versions of the following packages from hamm available in the
current directory:

ldso, libc5, libc6, timezones, locales, ncurses3.0, ncurses3.4,
libreadline2, libreadlineg2, bash, libg++272, dpkg, dpkg-dev,
dpkg-ftp, dpkg-mountable, libgdbm1, libgdbmg1, perl-base, and perl.

If you are using a mirror, press 'm'.
If you need to download the files via FTP, press 'f'.
if you have the files in the current dir, press 'c': (m/f/c) c
./autoup.sh: line 484: syntax error: unexpected end of file
# ^C
# dir autoup.script

/home/rjw/autoup
  87517 -rw-r--r--   1 root root 2787 May 29 18:36 autoup.script
# dir autoup.script
# 

/home/rjw/autoup
  87517 -rw-r--r--   1 root root 2911 May 29 18:37 autoup.script
# ^D


Script done on Fri May 29 18:37:56 1998


autoup.sh
Description: Bourne shell script


Re: pon - When am I connected?

1998-05-30 Thread Lazar Fleysher


Maybe it is not the best way, but I have the following command in my
ip-up script.

wall PPP is UP


ZORO


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Re: ipforward'ing on in kernel?

1998-05-30 Thread Gregory Guthrie
At 06:56 PM 5/29/98 +0200, Nils Rennebarth wrote:
>> I thought we could tell by "cat /proc/ksyms | grep forward" :
>>  00140988 ip_forward_R35268aee
>>  0022ae04 sysctl_ip_forward_Ra7d20d83
>> 
>> Is this correct? seems to say yes; or do we have to rebuild a new kernel.
>No, it is not. You do need a custom kernel.
>
>N.B: I do not know, why the above symbols are in /proc/ksyms. They are
>present in mine also, although I know I do not have ip forwarding enabled.
>Does anyone know a better test?
-- I thought that this indicated that it was copmiled into the kernel, a
different issue than if the feature is (run-time) enabled.

Thanks.

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backup s/w suggestions

1998-05-30 Thread Randy Edwards
   I just got ahold of a Seagate TapeStor 8 GB IDE tape backup that
I'm eager to use with my hamm system.

   I noticed that dselect lists out several different tape backup
programs.  I was wondering if someone could give me a recommendation.
I'm not looking to do anything radical or special, just keep my Debian
system backed up on a semi-regular basis, along with perhaps backing
up a Win95 machine to the server also.

  Could someone give me a suggestion on what backup package I should
start looking at first?  Thanks in advance.

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begginner

1998-05-30 Thread cc
I am running window 95 and I have 2 hard drive. The 1st is a 2 gig and it is
partitioned. My d drive is 1 gig and where I want to install debian. Will I
be able to do this safely. I want to have the choice of which one I want run
or if it is possible to be able to run debian and also windows 95 at the
same time.
I would also like to know what I will need in order to connect to the
internet using debian and how to do it.


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Re: pon - When am I connected?

1998-05-30 Thread Patrick L. McGillan
I just start a ping to a known good ip number and wait until it starts
getting the pings back. Once they come back I know the ppp conection is up
and alive.

Patrick

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Date: Friday, May 29, 1998 7:38 AM
Subject: pon - When am I connected?


>ifconfig will show a connection to ppp0  when the connection is
>established.  You could write a script that runs ifconfig every second or
>so using grep to  look for 'ppp0' and report when the link is up, then stop
>itself.
>
>
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Re: lprng on bo

1998-05-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Please ignore; user did not realise that even in 1998,
printer must be plugged in to computer by way of cable.


Hamish

On Sat, May 30, 1998 at 11:41:00AM +1000, Hamish Moffatt wrote:
> Having trouble with someone's system using lprng, on bo. Jobs appear
> to get accepted into the print queue, but never print to the printer.
> It worked up until a day ago, when they copied everything to a new
> disk with "cp -ax / /mnt".
> 
> Are these permissions all correct?
> 
> bash# ls -l /dev/lp*
> crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   0 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp0
> crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   1 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp1
> crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   2 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp2
> crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   3 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp3
> 
> bash# ls -l /usr/bin/lp*
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root3 May 30 09:37 /usr/bin/lp -> lpr
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   137176 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpc
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   139700 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpq
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   181720 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpr
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root13860 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpraccnt
> -rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   134676 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lprm
> lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root3 May 30 09:37 /usr/bin/lpstat -> lpq
> 
> bash# ls -l /var/spool
> total 12
> [...]
> drwxrwsr-x   3 root lp   1024 May 30 09:37 lpd
> 
> bash# ls -l /var/spool/lpd/lp/
> total 8
> -rw---   1 lp   lp 51 May 30 09:29 control.lp
> -rw---   1 lp   lp  5 May 30 09:29 lp
> -rw-rw-r--   1 root lp 45 Apr 12  1997 status
> -rw---   1 lp   lp   4002 May 30 09:29 status.lp
> -rw---   1 lp   lp  5 May 30 09:29 unspooler.lp
> 
> 
> Personally I don't see how this can print (lpr doesn't have permissions
> to write to /var/spool/lpd) but I just reinstalled the lprng package
> from bo and that's what it set them to. On lpr (rather than lprng)
> all the programs are setuid root and setgid lp.
> 
> Any ideas? I hate it when people install machines they can't
> administer and call me to fix it for free every bloody time.
> 
> 
> hamish
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lprng on bo

1998-05-30 Thread Hamish Moffatt
Having trouble with someone's system using lprng, on bo. Jobs appear
to get accepted into the print queue, but never print to the printer.
It worked up until a day ago, when they copied everything to a new
disk with "cp -ax / /mnt".

Are these permissions all correct?

bash# ls -l /dev/lp*
crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   0 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp0
crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   1 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp1
crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   2 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp2
crw-rw   1 root lp 6,   3 Dec  9  1996 /dev/lp3

bash# ls -l /usr/bin/lp*
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root3 May 30 09:37 /usr/bin/lp -> lpr
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   137176 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpc
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   139700 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpq
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   181720 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpr
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root13860 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lpraccnt
-rwxr-xr-x   1 root root   134676 Mar 25  1997 /usr/bin/lprm
lrwxrwxrwx   1 root root3 May 30 09:37 /usr/bin/lpstat -> lpq

bash# ls -l /var/spool
total 12
[...]
drwxrwsr-x   3 root lp   1024 May 30 09:37 lpd

bash# ls -l /var/spool/lpd/lp/
total 8
-rw---   1 lp   lp 51 May 30 09:29 control.lp
-rw---   1 lp   lp  5 May 30 09:29 lp
-rw-rw-r--   1 root lp 45 Apr 12  1997 status
-rw---   1 lp   lp   4002 May 30 09:29 status.lp
-rw---   1 lp   lp  5 May 30 09:29 unspooler.lp


Personally I don't see how this can print (lpr doesn't have permissions
to write to /var/spool/lpd) but I just reinstalled the lprng package
from bo and that's what it set them to. On lpr (rather than lprng)
all the programs are setuid root and setgid lp.

Any ideas? I hate it when people install machines they can't
administer and call me to fix it for free every bloody time.


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