Re: "idled" the thing that wouldn't die

1998-12-28 Thread Rafael Kitover
As the other reply said, daemons are in /etc/init.d. You can do stuff
/etc/init.d/daemon (stop|start|restart|reload) or whatever it supports. If
a package failed to remove its functionality when you removed it, please
file a bug. Install the bug package (apt-get install bug) and see the man
page for it, makes things alot simpler.

On Sat, Dec 26, 1998 at 07:46:27PM -0500, Tom wrote:
> I decided to try the idled package which disconnects users after being
> idle for a specified period of time.  When I first discovered that it
> does not recognize someone in X as using the machine I tried to
> uninstall it using dselect.  After rebooting I was still being kicked or
> the system after 60 minutes.  I went back to dselect and purged the
> application. rebooted.  No change.  Next I decide to reinstall, but  to
> modify the config file. I tried to change the default idle time before
> log out to 300 minutes from 60.  I also added my user name to the exempt
> list.  Rebooted. This all had no effect.  
> My current idea is to remark out the line which loads this thing at boot
> up.  I am not sure how to do that, or even which file I need to edit. 
> Any help is appreiciated.  Thanks
> 
> By the way, is it really necessary to reboot to turn of a daemon? 


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Re: [Where can I ge Debian stickers?]

1998-12-28 Thread servis
*- rathon wrote about "Re: [Where can I ge Debian stickers?]"
> I would even buy a Debian Hat or a T-shirt if there was any..
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>   Anyone know where I can get "Powered By debian" stickers?
> 

You can get a lot of stuff with any image you want on it at
http://www.my-mug.com/

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Re: upgrade to slink

1998-12-28 Thread Ralph Winslow
When Alexander Kushnirenko wrote, I replied:
> 
> Hi, Ralph!
> 
> I'm sorry for such a long delay in answering,  Holidays really took over me.
> Briefly I don't know what your problem is.  I tried your
> /etc/apt/sources.list, it works for me just fine.

Please don't apologize; this is a very busy time for most of us, and you
did,
after all, reply.
> 
> > > > E: Line 8974 in package file
> > > > /var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages
> 
> May be it's worth trying to remove that file (or better moving it to some safe
> place), and start over.  It won't do any harm for your system,  I just tried
> it on my computer,  after "Update" it'll get another file for you from
> official site. It looks like it's structure is corrupted
> /var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Pac
> kages
> 
> Well, that's the only bright idea that I got.

I'm well past that problem - I don't even remember what I did to get
around it
(I think I just rm'd the file and tried, tried again).  Slink broke my
fvwm95
window manager, and after fooling around with it for a few days, I
decided
to give wmaker a try.  I'm very glad I did!  I like it already, and am
very
aware that I'm using only a fraction of its capabilities.
> 
> Sasha.

Thanks for your concern and reply, Sasha.

Ralph

> > This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> > --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> >
> > Alexander Kushnirenko wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi, Ralph!
> > >
> > > Could you please specify more details: when it happens?
> >
> > Immediately after "Updating package file cache" message
> >
> > > Did you succeed in installation of APT?
> >
> > I've been using the apt method of dselect for Hamm for months.
> >
> > > Which version of APT are you running?
> >
> > Not sure - apt-get --version says "E: Unknown option --version"
> >
> > > Did you select it in you access method?
> >
> > Yes
> >
> > > Could you please include your /etc/apt/sources.list
> > > file?
> >
> > OK.
> >
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Sasha.
> >
> > Thank you, Sasha
> >
> > > > > deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
> > > > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> > > >
> > > > When I try this I get:
> > > >
> > > > E: Line 8974 in package file
> > > > /var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages
> > > > is too long.
> > > >
> > > > Whay's up with that?
> >
> > --
> > -
> > Ralph Winslow   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > The IQ of the group is that of the member
> > whose IQ is lowest  divided by the number
> > of members.
> > --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
> >  name="sources.list"
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > Content-Disposition: inline;
> >  filename="sources.list"
> >
> > deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
> > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> >
> > --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110--
> >

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whose IQ is lowest  divided by the number
of members.


RE:Adding memory

1998-12-28 Thread John Greer
I have just purchased some more memory for my machine so that i can
upgrade it to 64megs.  Is there anything that i need to do so that Debian
will recognize it or should I just put it in and start the machine up???

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   /\/\
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John Greer



Re: X questions

1998-12-28 Thread Rafael Kitover
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 11:18:41AM +0100, Marcus Geiger wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I want to know, with which X-toolkits some of the traditional X applications 
> are implemented: ghostview, offix-files. (isn't it the athena widget set ???).

Easy :)

ldd `which ghostview`

will show you what dynamic libraries the application uses. Xaw/Xt is the
athena widgets. Xm is lesstif, etc. When in doubt go to the packages
search page on www.debian.org and put the library name in "contents" to
find the relative package.

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Re: AWE 64 setup ?

1998-12-28 Thread Peter Berlau
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 11:42:24AM +0100, Didier Verna wrote:
> 
>   Hi!
> 
>   Is there a simple way to setup my SoundBlaster AWE 64 for debian ?
please install:

Package: awe-drv
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: sound
Installed-Size: 462
Maintainer: Tom Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: awe
Version: 0.4.3-pre-2-1
Replaces: awe-utils, awe-patch
Provides: awe-utils, awe-patch
Depends: libawe0.4, libc6 (>= 2.0.7u)
Conflicts: awe-utils, awe-patch
Description: Linux AWE32 driver source and utilities
[..]


Package: isapnptools
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 140
Maintainer: Frederic Lepied <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 1.16-4.1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.0.7u), dpkg (>= 1.4.0.21), grep, awk
Suggests: pciutils
[..]

after that configure Your kernel like:
!!! 
please note:
the irq's and th io'sare based on the
configruation of my systems, this 
are my individual settings of this 
items .
It is highly recommended You will
change these parameters to the
dependencies of Your system.
!!!
# Sound
#
CONFIG_SOUND=m
# CONFIG_PAS is not set
CONFIG_SB=y
CONFIG_ADLIB=y
CONFIG_AUDIO=y
CONFIG_MIDI=y
CONFIG_YM3812=y
SBC_BASE=220
SBC_IRQ=9
SBC_DMA=3
SB_DMA2=7
SB_MPU_BASE=330
SB_MPU_IRQ=-1
DSP_BUFFSIZE=65536
CONFIG_LOWLEVEL_SOUND=y
CONFIG_AWE32_SYNTH=y

an build a new kernel, don't forget to add the line
sound in Your
/etc/modules
[..]
# loading the sound module
sound
#st

next step
pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf
edit the resulted file, maby result is:

# $Id: pnpdump.c,v 1.16 1998/10/09 22:19:06 fox Exp $
# Board 1 has serial identifier 41 12 94 bb 9f c5 00 8c 0e

# (DEBUG)
(READPORT 0x020b)
(ISOLATE PRESERVE)
(IDENTIFY *)
(VERBOSITY 2)
(CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING

(CONFIGURE CTL00c5/311737247 (LD 0
# ANSI string -->Audio<--

 (INT 0 (IRQ 9 (MODE +E)))
 (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 3))
 (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 7))
 (IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
 (IO 1 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330))
 (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
 (NAME "CTL00c5/311737247[0]{Audio   }")
 (ACT Y)
))

(CONFIGURE CTL00c5/311737247 (LD 1
# Compatible device id PNPb02f
# ANSI string -->Game<--

 (IO 0 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0200))
 (NAME "CTL00c5/311737247[1]{Game}")
 (ACT Y)
))

(CONFIGURE CTL00c5/311737247 (LD 2
 (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620))
 (IO 1 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0A20))
 (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0E20))
 (NAME "CTL00c5/311737247[2]{WaveTable   }")

 (ACT Y)
))
(WAITFORKEY)
#end of /etc/isapnp.conf
-- 
   Peter


Re: xterm not found in slink

1998-12-28 Thread Peter Berlau
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 10:28:31AM +0100, Gernot Bauer wrote:
Hi Gernot,

> There are many "obsolete" packages (like xbase-client and others - when
> I try to de-install them, I get dependency-errors...) but no xdm or
> xterm-package. :(
> 
> Is it a problem of my debian-mirror?
I dont' know, but if You are use the german mirror it could be happened
try:
entry in your /etc/apt/sources.list
# begin of file /etc/apt/sources/list
# Remember that you can only use http, ftp or file URIs
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
#end of file
and than if You like to upgrade Your whole distribution:
apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
if Your not sure, or like to see what happened if You do this
type before the above line, first
apt-get -s update; apt-get -s dist-upgrade
which give Your a overlook what would happen if You really start
the apt-get update; apt-get dist-upgrade
note:
if You like this:
you have to install xterm and xmodmap and also Your xfont-upgrades via
apt-get  update xterm; apt-get  install xterm
apt-get  update xmodmap; apt-get  install xmodmap
etc, 
You also can install only packages via install like
the above lines,
apt-get will handle the dependencies itself, no matter and You don't
need to handle dependencies Yourself

cYa
-- 
   Peter


Re: X won;t start after partial slink upgrade :-(

1998-12-28 Thread Ed Cogburn
Stan Brown wrote:
> 
> In an attempt to get the siag office automation suite set up, I have
> been partialy upgrading my hamm system to frozen.
> 
> I have installed xbase, which warned me that I would need othe 
> packagse
> now. I added xter, and xbas-clients, but now my system will not start
> X.
> 
> The symlink for the appropriate X server (the S3 one if it matters) 
> was
> missing, so i create it by hand. Now X will start if I run the raw X
> serve (X). However I have no startx script.
> 
> What packages do I need?
> 
> Is there aconfiguration script that I can run to fix this?
> 
> Thanks.
> 


I was afraid something like this would happen since X was broken down 
into
about a dozen packages in slink.
I believe you will need to do a complete install of the slink X11.  You 
might
need to forcibly remove all hamm X11 packages before installing slink's X11
stuff.  In slink, X11 is broken down into ~12 packages, some like xbase and
xfonts-base are obvious, others like xdm and xprt aren't so obvious.  The
version number in slink for these files is 3.3.2.3a-8.  So when you upgrade
using dselect take a look at every file, in the x11 sections, with the above
version and read its description to determine whether you need it or not.


-- 
Ed C.


RE: more on the remote access server

1998-12-28 Thread pat
[ you should post to debian-isp i think ]

On 28-Dec-98, ivan took time to write :
> So as to gain as much experience and knowledge as I can I want to set up
> the home system so that it emulates a major ISP as closely as possible.  I
> have 3 486 machines and 1 pentium 133 and 1 pentium 200.

i'm working with an isp having one 486 and one pentium computer both Debian
2.0

> As I understand it, a major ISP has on seperate machines proxy server
> (squid), web server (apache), news server (slrn/inn ?), mail server
> (sendmail), IP allocation (DHCP).  No firewall is required because no user

the last two items (DHCP and mail server) don't need specific computers.
of course it depends on the number of customers you have !

> will have a shell account and no machine on my LAN will have any
> information of any value.  If I am right a firewall is not needed by an ISP
> because the clients both send and receive requests and information and so
> the servers have to sit outside of any firewall anyway ???

You're _VERY_ wrong.
You _absolutely_ need a firewall
First to protect your customers : you don't want someone using Back Orifice to
control from the Internet the computer of your customers.
Then to protect yourself: you have to block for example external (ie from
Internet) telnet access to your computers, etc...
In fact it's better to use a 'deny all; allow some' politic.
Deny all trafic then carefully enable some of it.
For example:
allow web access from anywhere to web server
(and not to anywhere else)
etc...

You should also be a 'politically' correct ISP : your firewall has to insure
that all packets you're sending are really using IP from your network (to
prevent IP spoofing from your part) and you should discard all packets coming
from Internet with IP like 10.* or 192.168.* (see RFCs for details), that is
private IPs which should not be relayed.

> I assume that to handle 15 incoming lines I need 15 modems (and 30 lines
> requires 30 modems etc).  How do I connect these 15 modems to the LAN ?  Do

yes.
you have many solutions.
one of them is to buy a cyclade card, you put it in a computer with linux and
then you can plug in it 8 modems for example, and as far (use version 2.0.36
it's better) linux have now 8 new serial ports.

in that case you use pppd, authentication done by standard unix ways
(/etc/passwd and friends)

linux is then doing the routing and everything.
as far as everything goes the customer at the other end of the modem has an
IP (statically or dinamically assigned, both are possible) and is directly
connected to the net.

> I need 3 machines each with 5 serial ports ?  I understood that something
> like the cisco 1603 ISDN router has 'x' number of serial ports that the

that's another solution: buy a specific hardware

> modems plug into and a 10baseT connection to plug into the LAN.  The router
> is then in charge of directing traffic back to the requesting client.  But
> if this is the case, who verifies the logins, assigns IP numbers and
> initiates the ppp connection to the dial-in client ?

don't know for that sorry.

I think you will have audience on debian-isp too.

Patrick


Re: [Where can I ge Debian stickers?]

1998-12-28 Thread rathon
I would even buy a Debian Hat or a T-shirt if there was any..

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyone know where I can get "Powered By debian" stickers?

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microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
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Re: upgrade to slink

1998-12-28 Thread Alexander Kushnirenko
Hi, Ralph!

I'm sorry for such a long delay in answering,  Holidays really took over me.
Briefly I don't know what your problem is.  I tried your 
/etc/apt/sources.list, it works for me just fine.

> > > E: Line 8974 in package file
> > > /var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages

May be it's worth trying to remove that file (or better moving it to some safe 
place), and start over.  It won't do any harm for your system,  I just tried 
it on my computer,  after "Update" it'll get another file for you from 
official site. It looks like it's structure is corrupted
/var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Pac
kages

Well, that's the only bright idea that I got.

Sasha.
> This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
> --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> 
> Alexander Kushnirenko wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, Ralph!
> > 
> > Could you please specify more details: when it happens? 
> 
> Immediately after "Updating package file cache" message
> 
> > Did you succeed in installation of APT? 
> 
> I've been using the apt method of dselect for Hamm for months.
> 
> > Which version of APT are you running? 
> 
> Not sure - apt-get --version says "E: Unknown option --version"
> 
> > Did you select it in you access method? 
> 
> Yes
> 
> > Could you please include your /etc/apt/sources.list
> > file?
> 
> OK.
> 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Sasha.
> 
> Thank you, Sasha
> 
> > > > deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
> > > > deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> > >
> > > When I try this I get:
> > >
> > > E: Line 8974 in package file
> > > /var/state/apt/lists/ftp1.us.debian.org_debian_dists_slink_main_binary-i386_Packages
> > > is too long.
> > >
> > > Whay's up with that?
> 
> -- 
> -
> Ralph Winslow   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The IQ of the group is that of the member
> whose IQ is lowest  divided by the number
> of members.
> --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii;
>  name="sources.list"
> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> Content-Disposition: inline;
>  filename="sources.list"
> 
> deb http://ftp1.us.debian.org/debian slink main contrib non-free
> deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable non-US
> 
> --82107DDBF4FA925F2C251110--
> 



Re: _very_ reproducable WP8 X client lib error.

1998-12-28 Thread Ted Harding
On 28-Dec-98 Havoc Pennington wrote:
> On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Stan Brown wrote:
>> 
>>  This bug is 100% reproducable.
>> 
>>  Sugestions?
>> 
> 
> Email Corel. It's almost certainly a WordPerfect bug, and since
> WordPerfect is not free software there's nothing anyone else can do
> about it.

For what it's worth, when I read Stan Brown's posting about the
"_very_ reproducible bug" I tried to reproduce it. And failed.

WP-8 labels worked fine for me.

I installed out of the "full" tar file onto a 1-year-old SuSE-5.1 Linux
system (with of course libc5 libraries).

Maybe some interaction between WP-8 and the Linux distribution you use;
in which case it's not necessarily a WordPerfect bug at all.

Cheers,
Ted.


E-Mail: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: 28-Dec-98   Time: 19:08:59



Re: Fujitsu Dynamo errors

1998-12-28 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I just bought a Fujutsu DynaMO 640SE magneto optical disk and am
> having trouble getting it to work.  I have made progress by moving
> from a 2.0.33 to a 2.0.34 kernel and am now able to partition it, but
> it gets errors partway into mke2fs when writing inode tables.  Two
> different disks will fail at different inodes, and the same disk will
> fail at different inodes on different runs.  Before the 2.0.34 kernel
> and 2048 byte sector patches, the drive was wrongly recognized as a
> 39mb removable drive.  Fdisk now correctly sees it with 620k 1k blocks.

I have the internal version, and I changed to kernel 2.1.131 to get it
running, and there are no problems, using 2 different disks by
now. (BTW I'm using the drive for backup with mirrordir, which for me
seems to be the easiest way to backup my files.)
The only thing I can't explain is the following error message each
time when I start fdisk, which however doesn't have any consequences
(anyway I didn't realize one):

| Dec 28 20:45:06 wabe modprobe: can't locate module block-major-3
| Dec 28 20:45:06 wabe modprobe: can't locate module block-major-3
| Dec 28 20:45:06 wabe modprobe: can't locate module block-major-22
| Dec 28 20:45:06 wabe modprobe: can't locate module block-major-22
| Dec 28 20:45:06 wabe kernel: ll_rw_block: device 08:10: only
|   2048-char blocks implemented (1024)

I made the file system with `mke2fs -c -b2048 /dev/sdb1' (but so did
you, I assume).
I show you my relevant boot messages and fdisk output, maybe it can
be interesting for you:

| $ dmesg
| Linux version 2.1.131 (gcc version 2.7.2.3) #1 SMP Mon Dec 14 1998
| 
| [...]
| 
| scsi0 : ncr53c8xx - revision 3.1d
| scsi : 1 host.
| ncr53c860-0: command processing resumed
| ncr53c860-0-<0,*>: FAST-20 SCSI 20.0 MB/s (50 ns, offset 8)
|   Vendor: IBM   Model: DCAS-34330Rev: S65A
|   Type:   Direct-Access  ANSI SCSI revision: 02
| Detected scsi disk sda at scsi0, channel 0, id 0, lun 0
|   Vendor: YAMAHAModel: CRW4416S  Rev: 1.0b
|   Type:   CD-ROM ANSI SCSI revision: 02
|   Vendor: FUJITSU   Model: M2513EL   Rev: 0010
|   Type:   Optical Device ANSI SCSI revision: 02
| Detected scsi removable disk sdb at scsi0, channel 0, id 2, lun 0
| ncr53c860-0-<0,0>: tagged command queue depth set to 4
| scsi : detected 2 SCSI disks total.
| SCSI device sda: hdwr sector= 512 bytes. Sectors= 8467200 [4134 MB] [4.1 GB]
| ncr53c860-0-<2,*>: FAST-10 SCSI 10.0 MB/s (100 ns, offset 8)
| SCSI device sdb: hdwr sector= 2048 bytes. Sectors= 310352 [606 MB] [0.6 GB]
| sdb: Write Protect is off
| 
| [...]

| # fdisk -l
| 
| [...]
| 
| Disk /dev/sdb: 64 heads, 32 sectors, 606 cylinders
| Units = cylinders of 2048 * 512 bytes
| 
|Device Boot   BeginStart  End   Blocks   Id  System
| /dev/sdb111  606   620528   83  Linux native

Hope it helps,
greetings,
jtr


Re: kde toolbar buttons

1998-12-28 Thread Eric Jensen
try installing kdelibs0g-dev

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On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Madarasz Karoly wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> My KDE toolbar buttons are displayed without
> the images in it. They appeare as blue squares.
> At startup I get something like:
>  
> Can't load (find) pixmap files.
> 
> Thanks,
> Karesz.
> 
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Re: _very_ reproducable WP8 X client lib error.

1998-12-28 Thread Havoc Pennington

On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Stan Brown wrote:
> 
>   This bug is 100% reproducable.
> 
>   Sugestions?
> 

Email Corel. It's almost certainly a WordPerfect bug, and since
WordPerfect is not free software there's nothing anyone else can do about
it.

Havoc



speaking of unofficial lyx . . .

1998-12-28 Thread Richard E. Hawkins Esq.

there is a mailmerge package available.  I think that it's somewhere as 
a contrib package on the site, but I'd have to look.  If that fails & 
you need it (or want to code more of it :), I can send the most recent 
version.  It's not done, and a couple of the options don't work yet 
(seems to me that separating by a paragraph marker is one of them), but 
it worked well enough to send out 200 job applications :)

And it's done in the text-based way of the 80's word processors, rather 
than the brain-dead way word & staroffice do it.


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RE: Suggestion for a simple Perl X-Toolkit?

1998-12-28 Thread Shaleh
> I figure my current options are Perl/Tk and Xforms4Perl.  
> 

There is also a perl gtk+ package.  The tk one is fairly easy.  The forms
version will be non-free and if you are using these apps in a business, you are
suppoed to pay for the forms lib.

To my knowledge there is no GUI developer tool for this.  This is one area UNIX
is still lacking, mostly due to the fact that until recently no one cared or
"needed" it.  This is changing.


RE: Eterm

1998-12-28 Thread Shaleh

On 25-Dec-98 Phillip Neumann wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> When typing Eterm in a xterm, that will bring a transparent Eterm. Thats ok
> becouse i have  alias Eterm='Eterm -O'... But When invoking it from the gnome
> panel or from an E button that will not bring a trans Eterm as i wishIs
> it normal that thouse dont `see' the aliases? How should i make that see it?

Correct, they are not seeing your alias.  If you want Eterm to ALWAYS be
transparent, move the trans theme MAIN file to ~/.Eterm/themes/Eterm. (Note
location and capitalization)

Your other option is to edit the menu or button configs for whatever wm/other
you are using.


Suggestion for a simple Perl X-Toolkit?

1998-12-28 Thread Peter S Galbraith

I'd like to get into creating some simple Perl-driven X apps (I
don't code C++).

I figure my current options are Perl/Tk and Xforms4Perl.  

Any experience with any of them?  

Do they both have GUI builders to lay out the application look,
 buttons and stuff?

Any good docs out there?  (Or are those bundled good?)
(I found http://w4.lns.cornell.edu/~pvhp/ptk/ptkTOC.html)

Any advice or suggections?

Thanks,
-- 
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Maurice Lamontagne Institute, Department of Fisheries and Oceans Canada
P.O. Box 1000, Mont-Joli Qc, G5H 3Z4 Canada. 418-775-0852 FAX: 775-0546
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_very_ reproducable WP8 X client lib error.

1998-12-28 Thread Stan Brown
I am having a reproducable problem with WP*. It must be a clinet side
library problem, since it ccurs even on remote X servers.

If you go to "Format", and select "Labels" then select a label, and
press "OK" WP says an X server error has occured. "Popushell must have
a non NULL parent". I have upgraded to xlib6-3.3.2.a-8 from frozen, and
it still persists.

I know I got a good download, because I have installe from the same
tarball on a FreBSD machine, and runing it under Linux emulation there
does not reproduce the bug.

This bug is 100% reproducable.

Sugestions?

-- 
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Factory Automation Systems
Atlanta Ga.
-- 
Windows 98: n.
minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
of competition.
-
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[off topic] Stacking machines together

1998-12-28 Thread C.J.LAWSON
Hello everyone,
Please excuse the intrusion... I have a load of old machines (or
rather bits and pieces of them) and would like to stack them into a
network (an then one parallel machine) ... The problem is space ... can
anyone advise me as to a way of stripping out the innards of each machine
and mounting them on some frame (does one exist?) and sticking the whole
thing under my table. This of course leads to the second issue ... the
power supplies ...there will be so many of them lying around ... is it
possible to tap from one PSU for multiple boards? ...then there is the
issue of the inter-board space (each one with its own set of cards ..) 

I would welcome any and all (non-incendiary) suggestions concerning
this and please copy me (pref. to the reply-to-address given) when you are
responding to this mail. 

Thanks

---
Jonathan Lawson 
Thermal Processes Unit 
Department of Applied Energy and Optical Diagnostics 
School of Mechanical Engineering, 
Cranfield  University, 
Cranfield, Bedford. UK.  
email [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  
How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good 
tidings, 
that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, 
that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, 
Thy God reigneth!

Isaiah 
52:7


Re: NIS and /etc/hosts

1998-12-28 Thread Miquel van Smoorenburg
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Simon Read  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Folks,
>
>I get the most bizarre problem with NIS.
>
>If I put "ypserver 192.168.1.2" in /etc/yp.conf everything works just
>fine.  If I put "ypserver mynishost" in there, I get lots of
>"YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound" errors.

Sounds like you are using NIS to do name resolving.

>mynishost is definitely, explicitly in /etc/hosts as 192.168.1.2.
>What could I be doing wrong?  I'm keen to trace my problem or cause a
>bug to be fixed, whichever comes first.

Check out /etc/nsswitch.conf and make sure that you arent't using NIS
for name lookups. Should look like this:

hosts:  files dns
networks:   files dns

Also some programs might still use /etc/host.conf. That file should
look like this:

order hosts,bind
multi on

Mike.
-- 
Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?


Re: rpms

1998-12-28 Thread servis
*- Rick Knebel wrote about "rpms"
> Is there any way to install a redhat rpm on a debian system?
> 
> Thanks
> Rick
> 

Install the alien package.  Read the man page and have fun.

Package: alien
Status: install ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 89
Maintainer: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 6.03hamm2
Depends: debhelper, perl
Recommends: rpm (>= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make
Suggests: patch
Description: Install Red Hat and Slackware Packages with dpkg.
 Alien allows you to convert Red Hat and Slackware Packages into Debian
 packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
 .
 It can also convert into Slackware and Red Hat packages.
 .
 This is a tool only suitable for binary packages.


Brian 
-
"Never criticize anybody until you have walked a mile in their shoes,  
 because by that time you will be a mile away and have their shoes." 
   - unknown  

Mechanical Engineering  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: rpms

1998-12-28 Thread Remco van de Meent
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 10:51:06AM -0500, Rick Knebel wrote:

 : Is there any way to install a redhat rpm on a debian system?

Convert them using alien to .deb format:

Package: alien
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 109
Maintainer: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: all
Version: 6.26
Depends: debhelper, perl (>= 5.004)
Recommends: rpm (>= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make
Suggests: patch, bzip2
Filename: dists/unstable/main/binary-i386/admin/alien_6.26.deb
Size: 42074
MD5sum: 3ae2a7e239201bdfebcb95f2c152ab6f
Description: Install Red Hat, Stampede, and Slackware Packages with dpkg.
 Alien allows you to convert Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into
 Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
 .
 It can also convert into Slackware, Red Hat, and Stampede packages.
 .
 This is a tool only suitable for binary packages.



Cheers,
 -Remco


X won;t start after partial slink upgrade :-(

1998-12-28 Thread Stan Brown
In an attempt to get the siag office automation suite set up, I have
been partialy upgrading my hamm system to frozen.

I have installed xbase, which warned me that I would need othe packagse
now. I added xter, and xbas-clients, but now my system will not start
X.

The symlink for the appropriate X server (the S3 one if it matters) was
missing, so i create it by hand. Now X will start if I run the raw X
serve (X). However I have no startx script.

What packages do I need?

Is there aconfiguration script that I can run to fix this?

Thanks.

-- 
Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]770-996-6955
Factory Automation Systems
Atlanta Ga.
-- 
Windows 98: n.
minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
of competition.
-
(c) 1998 Stan Brown.  Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.


Re: rpms

1998-12-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann
On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 10:51:06AM -0500, Rick Knebel wrote:
> Is there any way to install a redhat rpm on a debian system?

alien.

flora:~# dpkg -s alien
Package: alien
Status: hold ok installed
Priority: extra
Section: admin
Installed-Size: 107
Maintainer: Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 6.18
Depends: debhelper, perl
Recommends: rpm (>= 2.4.4-2), dpkg-dev, make
Suggests: patch, bzip2
Description: Install Red Hat, Stampede, and Slackware Packages with dpkg.
 Alien allows you to convert Red Hat, Stampede and Slackware Packages into
 Debian packages, which can be installed with dpkg.
 .
 It can also convert into Slackware, Red Hat, and Stampede packages.
 .
 This is a tool only suitable for binary packages.

-- 
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Marcus Brinkmann   http://www.debian.orgmaster.debian.org
[EMAIL PROTECTED]for public  PGP Key
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Re: Some newbie questions

1998-12-28 Thread Martin Wheeler

On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, CJ wrote:

>->But there isn't any boot.bat file under the \boot directory on my CD,

Aha!

Welcome to the wonderful world of Debian.

You have successfully smashed head-on into the first obstacle placed in
your path.

Cunning newbie test #1  --  see if the poor unfortunate newbie is smart
enough to find the documentation, AND read it.

Cunning newbie test #2  --  see if the poor unfortunate newbie is dumb
enough to actually BELIEVE what said documentation says.
(You *cannot* be serious!)

[ You will of course, find boot.bat under /install  --  NOT /boot.

 : o

  Don't ask. ]

Moral  --  treat all documentation as if it were written by malicious
minded, evil little pranksters.
[ Or at the very least, creative typists who would really rather be
writing best-selling masterpieces of pure fiction. ]
It's better for your sanity.
Really.

Once you've adjusted your mindset to little things like this, you'll find
Debian is the best Christmas present you ever got!
--
Martin Wheeler   -StarTEXT, Glastonbury, Somerset, England - BA6 9PH
[EMAIL PROTECTED]   http://www.startext.co.uk/

P.S.  Have you read the chapter on configuring sendmail, yet?
  It's a cracker, that one!


rpms

1998-12-28 Thread Rick Knebel
Is there any way to install a redhat rpm on a debian system?

Thanks
Rick

-- 
Rick Knebel
[EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Some newbie questions

1998-12-28 Thread ivan
Hi Tam,

binary CD is correct.

the file you want is in /install

Any more questions - just ask !

Ivan.


At 09:41 AM 12/28/98 -0500, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>   I just bought an official Debian CD. But my computer does not 
>boot from CDs. 
>   ->What do I do?
>   I read the installation guide and it says: "In the case that your 
>computer does not support bootable CDs, you should boot into DOS, and 
>execute boot.bat file which is located in the \boot directory on your CD."
>   ->But there isn't any boot.bat file under the \boot directory on my CD,
> can anyone tell me what to do to get it. (This is the binary CD that 
> i am talking about, so am i using the right CD? the other two CD are  
> source and contribution)
>
>If anyone knows, please help me, I appreciate it.
>Also I am a newbie just beginning to learn linux, so dumb it down when 
>you explain it to me.
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Tam
>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Linux Rules!
>
>
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/dev/null
>
>


Re: need g++ 2.8 and g++ 2.7

1998-12-28 Thread J.H.M. Dassen
On Sat, Dec 19, 1998 at 11:25:07 -0700, Zooko wrote:
> A company that i am working for insists that the software i'm writing has
> to compile with g++ 2.8 (that's right, the "official", GNU one, _not_
> egcs).

The only visible FSF gcc development is that once in a while someone on the
gnu.* groups claims it isn't dead. Have you tried explaining the current
reality to them?

> Is there a g++2.8 package hidden in some darkened corner, or am i going to
> have to (ugh!) run "make bootstrap" all by myself?

Once upon a long ago, I made FSF gcc 2.8.[01] packages for
project/experimental. They have been removed now (as they weren't up to date
to coexist with the regular gcc and EGCS packages, and could cause library
problems).

HTH,
Ray
-- 
Obsig: developing a new sig


Some newbie questions

1998-12-28 Thread CJ
Hi,

I just bought an official Debian CD. But my computer does not 
boot from CDs. 
   ->What do I do?
I read the installation guide and it says: "In the case that your 
computer does not support bootable CDs, you should boot into DOS, and 
execute boot.bat file which is located in the \boot directory on your CD."
   ->But there isn't any boot.bat file under the \boot directory on my CD,
 can anyone tell me what to do to get it. (This is the binary CD that 
 i am talking about, so am i using the right CD? the other two CD are  
 source and contribution)

If anyone knows, please help me, I appreciate it.
Also I am a newbie just beginning to learn linux, so dumb it down when 
you explain it to me.

Thanks,

--
Tam
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Linux Rules!


Re: uninstalling smail when a self compiled MTA is present

1998-12-28 Thread Marc Haber
Hi, my question must have a quite easy answer, however I have not been
able to find it yet. Did that mail get through to the list in the
first place?

On Sun, 20 Dec 1998 15:57:15 -0500, you wrote:
>On Sun, Dec 20, 1998 at 08:52:41PM +, Marc Haber wrote:
>> How do I tell dpkg that mail-transport-agent is present even if I
>> uninstall smail and that I take responsibility?
>
>Install and configure the dummy package which is there for this reason.

|=>ROOT<[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cdrom/binary-i386 # zgrep Package:.*ummy Packages.gz 
|Package: svgalib-dummy1
|Package: svgalib-dummyg1
|=>ROOT<[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/cdrom/binary-i386 # 

How is the package called?

Greetings
Marc

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Re: upgrade to slink

1998-12-28 Thread Bob Nielsen
I believe the safest method of upgrading to slink is to use 
'apt-get dist-upgrade'.  I upgraded a system last week with this method
and it was almost uneventful.

Bob

On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Matus "fantomas" Uhlar wrote:

> HEllo,
> 
> just a q: 
> won't I mess up my hamm when just set up dselect to install from slink
> directory and run update and install ?
> is it good way tp uograde to slink ?
> 
> -- 
>  Matus "fantomas" Uhlar, sysadmin at NETLAB+ Kosice, Slovakia
>  BIC coord for *.sk; admin of netlab.irc.sk; co-admin of irc.felk.cvut.cz
> 
> 
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> 
> 


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Re: AWE 64 setup ?

1998-12-28 Thread Marcus Brinkmann

Hi Didier, hi Britton!

On Mon, Dec 28, 1998 at 01:46:38AM -0900, Britton wrote:
> 
> Marcus Brinkman (my regrets if I've butchered your name Marcus)

It's tow "n", but beside that, fine! Nice to see you still around, Britton!

> has a
> spiffy mini-HOWTO on setting up the AWE32/64 on his web page, the address
> of which I unfortunately forget, but a search with his name in there would
> probably turn it up.  It'll probably help you and give you an idea what's
> going on with isapnp and the AWE card into the boot.  Good luck.

A search on my name in search engines is most likely to turn out a few
hundred emails to the Debian lists (which are archived). Better take the
address directly from my signature.

Bye,
Marcus

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more on the remote access server

1998-12-28 Thread ivan
Thanks for the help.

Perhaps you would be able to help with some other matters ?

The background is that I and some friends intend to purchase a permanent
connection to the 'net - somewhere between 128K & 512K depending on how
much money we can come up with - and I will set up a dial-in system at my
house (and therefore have the benefit of the full speed of the connection
!) for the others to use.

So as to gain as much experience and knowledge as I can I want to set up
the home system so that it emulates a major ISP as closely as possible.  I
have 3 486 machines and 1 pentium 133 and 1 pentium 200.

As I understand it, a major ISP has on seperate machines proxy server
(squid), web server (apache), news server (slrn/inn ?), mail server
(sendmail), IP allocation (DHCP).  No firewall is required because no user
will have a shell account and no machine on my LAN will have any
information of any value.  If I am right a firewall is not needed by an ISP
because the clients both send and receive requests and information and so
the servers have to sit outside of any firewall anyway ???

The problem I have and which I was asking about (indirectly) in the last
post is that obviously I require both the permanent 'net connection and the
15 incoming lines to be connected to this network.

I think that I can connect an ISDN card in the proxy server machine
directly to the permanent connection and so give the whole LAN permanent
access.  If that is so then that is easy !

I assume that to handle 15 incoming lines I need 15 modems (and 30 lines
requires 30 modems etc).  How do I connect these 15 modems to the LAN ?  Do
I need 3 machines each with 5 serial ports ?  I understood that something
like the cisco 1603 ISDN router has 'x' number of serial ports that the
modems plug into and a 10baseT connection to plug into the LAN.  The router
is then in charge of directing traffic back to the requesting client.  But
if this is the case, who verifies the logins, assigns IP numbers and
initiates the ppp connection to the dial-in client ?

As the 1603 router is fairly expensive, I am trying to find a way around
that.  Also, the information on the telco's page implied that a remote
access server was used in place of 'x' number of modems and was cheaper and
easier than that many modems as well.  Have you any knowledge on this ?

If more computers are needed they are fairly cheap second hand so please
make whatever suggestion you think is appropriate.

I hope the above is clear.

I sincerely appreciate your time in answering my last mail and in reading
this.

Ivan.


NIS and /etc/hosts

1998-12-28 Thread Simon Read
Folks,

I get the most bizarre problem with NIS.

If I put "ypserver 192.168.1.2" in /etc/yp.conf everything works just
fine.  If I put "ypserver mynishost" in there, I get lots of
"YPBINDPROC_DOMAIN: Domain not bound" errors.

mynishost is definitely, explicitly in /etc/hosts as 192.168.1.2.

What could I be doing wrong?  I'm keen to trace my problem or cause a
bug to be fixed, whichever comes first.

Thanks

Simon Read

[Host names and addresses have been changed to protect the
less-than-innocent]


Re: Installation on a separate hard drive

1998-12-28 Thread Jim Foltz
If you did want to use the same drive with Windows, you would need to
create a partition with FIPS or a similar partition making program. You
would then create a Linux partition and install there. Many people do this
and this is no problem, except when they need more space, which will
always happen.

A separate drive for Linux is, although not necessary, always nice.




On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 01:55:04PM -0600, Gordon von Miller wrote:
> Jim,
> 
> Before my harddrive crash, I had installed SUSE, and it was a major 
> hassle to get the disk partitioned correctly.  I now have Windows on the 
> hard drive, and I would think that it would be very difficult to put Linux on 
> it to 
> share with W95. So, I thought it might be simpler to get a inexpensive hard 
> drive and start from scratch, so to speak.

-- 
Jim Foltz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


Re: Installation on a separate hard drive

1998-12-28 Thread John Galt

Not until they fix LILO to install on the MBR of /dev/hda instead of the
MBR of the drive linux is on.

On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Gordon von Miller wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Would installation be any easier on a separate hard drive?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Gordon
> 
> 
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> 

Pardon me, but you have obviously mistaken me for someone who gives a
damn.
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upgrade to slink

1998-12-28 Thread Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar
HEllo,

just a q: 
won't I mess up my hamm when just set up dselect to install from slink
directory and run update and install ?
is it good way tp uograde to slink ?

-- 
 Matus "fantomas" Uhlar, sysadmin at NETLAB+ Kosice, Slovakia
 BIC coord for *.sk; admin of netlab.irc.sk; co-admin of irc.felk.cvut.cz


X questions

1998-12-28 Thread Marcus Geiger

Hi,

I want to know, with which X-toolkits some of the traditional X applications 
are implemented: ghostview, offix-files. (isn't it the athena widget set ???).

Please give me some hints where to find information about those topics (books, 
tutorials...)


Thanks 

Marcus


Re: AWE 64 setup ?

1998-12-28 Thread Britton

Marcus Brinkman (my regrets if I've butchered your name Marcus) has a
spiffy mini-HOWTO on setting up the AWE32/64 on his web page, the address
of which I unfortunately forget, but a search with his name in there would
probably turn it up.  It'll probably help you and give you an idea what's
going on with isapnp and the AWE card into the boot.  Good luck.

__
GNU GPL: "The Source will be with you... always."

Britton Kerin

On 28 Dec 1998, Didier Verna wrote:

> 
>   Hi!
> 
>   Is there a simple way to setup my SoundBlaster AWE 64 for debian ?
> In my former redhat installation, it was configured automatically, and I had 
> a 
> sndconfig program to position the proper IRQs and the like. I didn't find the
> equivalent under debian. Do I have to assimilate the whole pnp howto ?
> 
>   Thanks.
> 
> -- 
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> 
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kde toolbar buttons

1998-12-28 Thread Madarasz Karoly
Hello!

My KDE toolbar buttons are displayed without
the images in it. They appeare as blue squares.
At startup I get something like:
 
Can't load (find) pixmap files.

Thanks,
Karesz.


AWE 64 setup ?

1998-12-28 Thread Didier Verna

Hi!

Is there a simple way to setup my SoundBlaster AWE 64 for debian ?
In my former redhat installation, it was configured automatically, and I had a 
sndconfig program to position the proper IRQs and the like. I didn't find the
equivalent under debian. Do I have to assimilate the whole pnp howto ?

Thanks.

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 - / / - / / /_/ /  E.N.S.T. INF C201.1  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
/_/ / /_/ / /__ /46 rue BarraultTel.   (33) 01 45 81 73 46
  75634 Paris  cedex 13 Fax.   (33) 01 45 81 31 19


remote access server

1998-12-28 Thread ivan
Hello again !

Am I right in thinking that a remote access server simply takes the place
of a million modems for a dial-in setup ?

When I was browsing the web recently I saw an advertisement for a RAS that
is powered by a Pentium 166.  That being so, I assume it is a specially
configured PC.

Is it possible to configure a Linux box as an RAS and if so what hardware &
software is required ?

And the final question is ... does an RAS take the place of a dedicated
router ?

TIA

Ivan.



Re: Triple click: changing click interval: SOLVED

1998-12-28 Thread Jameson Burt
The parameter that can be changed is the "maximum click interval".
This can be changed with
   xterm -mc 500
for 500 milliseconds.  I believe the default is 250 milliseconds.
This gives me time to make another click if all three clicks haven't been 
recognized.  My problem probably did not demand a "minimum click interval" and 
I presume Linux recognizes a very small interval between clicks.  My mouse 
probably isn't sending every click, so I need time (from "-mc 500") to send 
another click;  perhaps I am not clicking my mouse properly.
The corresponding X-resource is 
   multiclickTime

Przemek Klosowski brought up another characteristic of triple clicks.
They include a "newline" that you usually do not want.
To exclude a "newline" on triple clicks, use
   xterm -cn
or use the X-resource
   cutNewline


I usually make my options explicit in .xsession or an alias.
I currently use the following long list of options.

xterm -cr red -j -si -sk -mc 500 -cn -sb -sl 500 -bg wheat -geom 
128x43+0+0   -xrm xterm.vt100.pointerColor:blue  -xrm 
xterm.vt100.pointerColorBackground:yellow  -xrm xterm.vt100.pointerShape:gumby 
  &


Here, I have found that the sroll length "-sl 500" should be less than 1500 or 
xterm starts to use much more memory.  The "gumby" really is a gumby pointer, 
with pointy head and all.  I prefer gumby because, unlike the "I" beam, since 
only his finger points to a character, he does not interfere with reading a 
character or word on a line of interest.


How did I finally find this solution?
Mostly, I needed somewhat unique keywords.
"mouse" was too general, while "click" was fairly specific.
"triple click" was more specific.
Since mail-list, news-list, and HOWTO lists turned up no answers, I tried some 
package searches,
   dpkg -L xbase  |xargs zgrep -i click   |less
The "-L" lists all the files in the debian package "xbase".
"xargs" puts pipe arguments after your following command and arguments -- this 
is one of the niftyest tools in Linux, one I only found a year ago.
The "less" pipe works nicely when control characters get printed, so your 
screen needn't be reset.

-- 
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[EMAIL PROTECTED]   (703) 235-5213 ext. 132  (work)

"A poor man associating with a rich man will soon be too poor 
to buy even a pair of breeches."   --Chinese Proverb



emacs19, hamm and segmentation faults

1998-12-28 Thread Jim McCloskey

Hello.

On Sunday, I finally upgraded my home system from bo to hamm (I've
been postponing the upgrade because I had a lot of important work to
finish, and I didn't want to risk breaking the system until that was
done).

I used apt-get and the official Debian CD (it came with the new
edition of the Debian book).

There were small problems here and there, but nothing more than I
expected, and all the diagnostics I ran (apt-get check especially)
gave (and give) no indication of trouble.

There is one big problem though---trying to invoke emacs (19.34)
always produces a segmentation fault (all users, from the console or
from within X). Just about my whole work-life happens from inside
emacs, so this is, for me, dead serious.

The problem is unique to emacs as far as I've been able to tell so
far; no other program I've tried gives rise to any problem.

I suppose I could remove and then reinstall it, or try upgrading to
emacs20 (or switching to xemacs). I'd rather not though, and I'm
scared that the problem might be an indication of some deeper problem
with memory allocation or something.

Any advice? Thank you very much,

Jim McCloskey


Re: xterm not found in slink

1998-12-28 Thread Gernot Bauer
Peter Berlau wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 06:52:00PM +0100, Gernot Bauer wrote:
> Hi Gernot
> xterm is in his own package at slink
> therefore You must get the package
> xterm
> also
> xmodmap, if You needed

Thank you Peter (and all the others who replied me on debian-user),

but unfortunately the problem still exists. To be more specific: I dont
have any xterm- or xdm-packages to install...

That's what I did: 
- upgrade to slink via dselect
- apt-dselect and upgrade the Packages files (standard-settings for apt)

There are many "obsolete" packages (like xbase-client and others - when
I try to de-install them, I get dependency-errors...) but no xdm or
xterm-package. :(

Is it a problem of my debian-mirror?

Gery
-- 
-
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Sterneckstrasse 5, A-5024 Salzburg
Tel.:  ++43-662-8684-364
Fax.:  ++43-662-8684-44364
email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Re: Matrox Xserver (again) and XFree86 3.3.3.3

1998-12-28 Thread Sean M Hollingsworth
Thanks.  I had wondered if that would work.  That sounds like it'll work
much better than what I was getting ready to do ;-)

Oh .. and I, of course, found the Matrox Xserver rpm and config file not too
long after I sent my previous post; doesn't it always seem to work that
way...


-Original Message-
From: Ed Cogburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian-Users 
Date: Sunday, December 27, 1998 11:48 PM
Subject: Re: Matrox Xserver (again) and XFree86 3.3.3.3


>
>
> Please don't use HTML for email; there are many who would appreciate that.
>:-)
>
>
>> Sean M Hollingsworth wrote:
>>
>> First off, I really appreciate everyone's response to my earlier post on
the
>> Matrox Xserver.  Of course, now that I have the card installed, I can no
>> longer find the Xserver on SuSE's website.  All I can find is a message
>> saying that the Matrox server is now included in the SVGA server in
XFree86
>> 3.3.3.3, which is cool, except there are no debs for XFree86 3.3.3.3 and
I'm
>> not about to stick an X tarball on a debian system and then try unkludge
>> everything when the deb does come out.  So, anyone know where I can find
the
>> Matrox Xserver/XF86Config file now -- or if I even still can -- and
anyone
>> have any idea when XFree86 3.3.3.3 will be available in a deb?
>
>
> I'm running the 3.3.3.3 xserver-svga now.  Just get the the xserver
tarball
>(just has the xserver binary in it), and drop the new binary in place of
the
>old one.  Dpkg, of course, won't know about this, but it doesn't hurt
anything
>either.
>
>
>--
>Ed C.
>
>
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bison -d generates bad header?

1998-12-28 Thread Matt Miller
I'm learning bison and flex, and I'm trying to modify the calculator
example in the bison tutorial to use a flex-generated scanner.  Here's the
contents of my compilation buffer:

cd ~/calc/
make -k
bison calc.y
gcc -c calc.tab.c
bison -d calc.y
flex calc.lex.y
gcc -c lex.yy.c
In file included from calc.lex.y:2:
calc.tab.h:4: parse error before `symrec'
calc.tab.h:4: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
calc.tab.h:5: warning: data definition has no type or storage class

There are more errors, but you get the point.

Heres the output of bison -d:

$ cat calc.tab.h
typedef union
{
  double val;
  symrec *tptr;
} YYSTYPE;
#define NUM 258
#define VAR 259
#define FNCT260
#define NEG 261


extern YYSTYPE yylval;

I searched the bug list and found only unrelated bison problems.  I
searched the debian-user archives and found an apparently unresolved
thread from July 20, 1997, entitled "Q: gcc and flex/bison ?".  I searched
the GNU help-bison archives and found it very annoying that the messages
can not be sorted by thread.

Thanks,

Matt Miller
-
"You can't have everything.  Where would you put it?" 


Re: Matrox Xserver (again) and XFree86 3.3.3.3

1998-12-28 Thread Ed Cogburn


Please don't use HTML for email; there are many who would appreciate 
that. 
:-)


> Sean M Hollingsworth wrote:
> 
> First off, I really appreciate everyone's response to my earlier post on the
> Matrox Xserver.  Of course, now that I have the card installed, I can no
> longer find the Xserver on SuSE's website.  All I can find is a message
> saying that the Matrox server is now included in the SVGA server in XFree86
> 3.3.3.3, which is cool, except there are no debs for XFree86 3.3.3.3 and I'm
> not about to stick an X tarball on a debian system and then try unkludge
> everything when the deb does come out.  So, anyone know where I can find the
> Matrox Xserver/XF86Config file now -- or if I even still can -- and anyone
> have any idea when XFree86 3.3.3.3 will be available in a deb?


I'm running the 3.3.3.3 xserver-svga now.  Just get the the xserver 
tarball
(just has the xserver binary in it), and drop the new binary in place of the
old one.  Dpkg, of course, won't know about this, but it doesn't hurt anything
either.


-- 
Ed C.


Re: Can't send mail from my machine:

1998-12-28 Thread Britton

I would try exim instead of smail, I've found it easier to set up with
nice docs.  I'm trying to get address re-writing working now, but at least
I can send messages (albeit with [EMAIL PROTECTED] for a
From: address).  The rewrite stuff has fairly good instructions.  I think
I got errors something like yours also, I think it turned out to be a
question of picking the right response when asked for a hostname at some
point in there and restarting inetd or some deamon like that (helpful
huh?).   Anyway, good luck, and let me know if you get rewriting working
logically for a ppp connected machine :)

__
GNU GPL: "The Source will be with you... always."

Britton Kerin

On Mon, 28 Dec 1998, Matt Miller wrote:

> The following attempt to contact the outside world fails:
> 
> mail -s test [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
> I immediately receive a message that includes the following error:
> 
>  [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... transport smtp: 553 <[EMAIL 
> PROTECTED]>...unresolvable;
>  rejected. Check your DNS
> 
> All attempts to get any mail off my machine fail with similar errors.  I
> called my ISP, and they offered some excuse that "Linux is designed as
> a server environment, and it doesn't like routing mail through another
> machine."  They suggested I either switch to Windows or Macintosh, or send
> all mail by first telnetting into their network, then using my shell
> account to send mail.  The latter is the technique I used to send this
> posting.
> 
> I'm using smail on a hamm system, and getting a ppp connection to my ISP.
> I used to be able to send mail from my machine, and I think I haven't
> changed any smail configs since then.
> 
> How do tell smail to route mail through my ISP?  /etc/smail/routers is
> only 
> 
>smart_host:
> driver=smarthost, transport=smtp;
> 
> and /etc/smail/config attempts to indicate that mail should be routed
> through my ISP (netnet.net) via the following line:
> 
> smart_path=netnet.net
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Matt Miller
> 
> -
> "Small is beautiful."
> -- Mark Gancarz, "The Unix Philosophy"
> 
> 
> -- 
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
> 


Can't send mail from my machine:

1998-12-28 Thread Matt Miller
The following attempt to contact the outside world fails:

mail -s test [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

I immediately receive a message that includes the following error:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... transport smtp: 553 <[EMAIL 
PROTECTED]>...unresolvable;
 rejected. Check your DNS

All attempts to get any mail off my machine fail with similar errors.  I
called my ISP, and they offered some excuse that "Linux is designed as
a server environment, and it doesn't like routing mail through another
machine."  They suggested I either switch to Windows or Macintosh, or send
all mail by first telnetting into their network, then using my shell
account to send mail.  The latter is the technique I used to send this
posting.

I'm using smail on a hamm system, and getting a ppp connection to my ISP.
I used to be able to send mail from my machine, and I think I haven't
changed any smail configs since then.

How do tell smail to route mail through my ISP?  /etc/smail/routers is
only 

   smart_host:
driver=smarthost, transport=smtp;

and /etc/smail/config attempts to indicate that mail should be routed
through my ISP (netnet.net) via the following line:

smart_path=netnet.net

Thanks,

Matt Miller

-
"Small is beautiful."
-- Mark Gancarz, "The Unix Philosophy"


Matrox Xserver (again) and XFree86 3.3.3.3

1998-12-28 Thread Sean M Hollingsworth




First off, I really appreciate everyone's response to my 
earlier post on the Matrox Xserver.  Of course, now that I have the card 
installed, I can no longer find the Xserver on SuSE's website.  All I can 
find is a message saying that the Matrox server is now included in the SVGA 
server in XFree86 3.3.3.3, which is cool, except there are no debs for XFree86 
3.3.3.3 and I'm not about to stick an X tarball on a debian system and then try 
unkludge everything when the deb does come out.  So, anyone know where I 
can find the Matrox Xserver/XF86Config file now -- or if I even still can -- and 
anyone have any idea when XFree86 3.3.3.3 will be available in a 
deb?


Re: close but no cigar

1998-12-28 Thread Ed Cogburn
KTB wrote:
> 
> I installed Communicator 4.5 but got a couple of errors.
> 
> tar: bookmark.htm: Could not create file: Is directory


Where did you install NS, /usr/local/netscape?  If thats the case do 
you have
a directory (invalid symlink?) named bookmark.htm there?  That seems to be
what this error message is suggesting.  BTW, there is a bookmark.htm file in
NS's directory on my machine.


> tar: error exit delay from previous errors
>  Installing communicator Java files...
>  Installing additional component files...
>  Registering communicator 4.5
> The Netscape communicator software installation is complete
> 
> I also can't get the browser to come up when I enter "netscape&"  I


Did you put the new location in your PATH variable?  Supposing its in
/usr/local/netscape, does '/usr/local/netscape/netscape &' work?  You may be
logged in as root (not reccomended) and trying to run it from its directory,
in which case does './netscape &' work?


> looked in the 'nethelp' file in the usr/local/netscape directory but
> didn't see anything about troubleshooting.  Help.
> Thanks,
> Kent


-- 
Ed C.


Re: ZyXEL omin128 ISDN Setup Q.

1998-12-28 Thread zhaoway
Cleto Pescia wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> > Please, where can I find step by step HOWTO on isdn for Linux?
> > Thank you!
> >
> > Or, if you're so kindly to read on:
> > My boss ask me to setup my Linux box for ZyXEL omni128 ISDN
> > externel modem to show him the power of Linux, or at least
>   ^^
>   As far as I know (having installed a ZyXEL Omni 128 myself), this
>   is a TA (Terminal Adapter) and therfore does *not* require
>   isdn4linux. Just configure it as a normal modem. Works like a charm.

Thank you for your quick reply! Thank you!
Could you give me some much more help? I really need a ste-by-step
guide.
I don't know howto connect this TA to my computer, seems DB-25? why not 
RJ-45? and howto config the on-demand dialing?
do i need to re-compile the kernel?

Thank you!

--zhaoway


Re: close but no cigar

1998-12-28 Thread KTB
That wasn't a typo.  I went back in and tried "netscape &"  I got the same 
message:
command not found.
Thanks,
Kent



"John C. Ellingboe" wrote:

> KTB wrote:
> >
> > I installed Communicator 4.5 but got a couple of errors.
> >
> > tar: bookmark.htm: Could not create file: Is directory
> > tar: error exit delay from previous errors
> >  Installing communicator Java files...
> >  Installing additional component files...
> >  Registering communicator 4.5
> > The Netscape communicator software installation is complete
> >
> > I also can't get the browser to come up when I enter "netscape&"  I
> ^
> Is that a typo?  It should be "netscape &".
>
> John
>
> > looked in the 'nethelp' file in the usr/local/netscape directory but
> > didn't see anything about troubleshooting.  Help.
> > Thanks,
> > Kent
> >
> > --
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Anyone have a good spredsheet icon?

1998-12-28 Thread Stan Brown
I am setting up a remote machine to use my Debian bx as an application
server for office apps, for my wife. Using siag as my spreadsheet.

Anyone have a good icon for a spreadsheet?

Thanks.

-- 
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Factory Automation Systems
Atlanta Ga.
-- 
Windows 98: n.
minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
of competition.
-
(c) 1998 Stan Brown.  Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.


Re: where is xmem(hamm)?

1998-12-28 Thread Joey Hess
Peter Bartosch wrote:
> the only thing my requirements nearly fill was xosview, except the size (i´ve 
> used xmem swallowed into an fvwm-panel)

Procmeter is an excellent replacement for xload and xmem, and it can display
about 20 other graphs about your system as well.

-- 
see shy jo


close but no cigar

1998-12-28 Thread KTB
I installed Communicator 4.5 but got a couple of errors.

tar: bookmark.htm: Could not create file: Is directory
tar: error exit delay from previous errors
 Installing communicator Java files...
 Installing additional component files...
 Registering communicator 4.5
The Netscape communicator software installation is complete

I also can't get the browser to come up when I enter "netscape&"  I
looked in the 'nethelp' file in the usr/local/netscape directory but
didn't see anything about troubleshooting.  Help.
Thanks,
Kent


Acroread & Hamm ???

1998-12-28 Thread Wayne Cuddy
Does Acroread work with hamm?  It tells me it can't find libXt.so.6.  If I set
my LD_LIBRARY_PATH I get a SEGV.  I do have libc5 installed.

Thanks in advance,
Wayne



Re: X library question.

1998-12-28 Thread Bob Nielsen
xlib6 is for libc5 clients, xlib6g is for xlib6 clients.

The problem went away for me after I upgraded to slink, which has xlib6
3.3.2a-8.

The X error I had previously was with hamm and xlib6 3.3.2.3-2, but it is
different than the error you report:

X Error of failed request: BadAccess (attempt to access private resource denied)

Major Opcode of failed request: 28 (X_GrabButton)
Serial number of failed request: 2296
Current serial number in output stream: 2297

Bob

On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Stan Brown wrote:

>   I am trying to track down why WP8dies with X errors on my machine, but
>   not, acording to the single report I got, on all Debian hamm machines.
> 
>   I have, acording to dpkg -l a package called xlib6 3.3.2.3-2 installed.
>   The person with the succcess story has xlib6 3.3.2.2-4 installed.
>   First the description of these packages calls them libc5 X clients. Is
>   this right? Second is it possible that a new bug has crept in?
> 
>   The error I am getting is "PopuShell must have a non-NULL parent"
> 
>   Any ides here would be appreciated.
> 
>   Thanks.
> 
> -- 
> Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 770-996-6955
> Factory Automation Systems
> Atlanta Ga.
> -- 
> Windows 98: n.
>   minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
>   16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
>   microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
>   of competition.
> -
> (c) 1998 Stan Brown.  Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 


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Re: to mirror or not to mirror

1998-12-28 Thread A. M. Varon
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, Marco Frattola wrote:

> i'd like to ask the nice debianers about mirror like programs. i need to
> keep in sync two linux (debian of course) servers. they both share many
> files to windows clients thru samba. one of the two server (call it the
> master) periodically receive new files, scattered in many dirs. the second
> server (call it the slave) has to catch up. they're connected via an ISDN line
> and i thought they could synchronize during night hours, where telco bill
> is cheaper. but i never played with mirror, nor i know of any alternative,
> and i'd like to get advice from those who have already played with such
> toys.
> i could also write some ad-hoc sh/perl thing, but i'd rather not reinvent
> the wheel ..

Hi,

What I use is mirrordir (avail.as a .deb package.). Easy to use and
supports the usual stuff like auto resume, symlink support, etc.

Works great especially if you team it with cron.

regards, 

= = Andre M. Varon  Lasaltech Incorporated
= =  == Technical Head  Fax-Tel: (034)435-0836
= == =
=  = =  E-mail  : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 =  WebPage : http://andre.lasaltech.com


X library question.

1998-12-28 Thread Stan Brown
I am trying to track down why WP8dies with X errors on my machine, but
not, acording to the single report I got, on all Debian hamm machines.

I have, acording to dpkg -l a package called xlib6 3.3.2.3-2 installed.
The person with the succcess story has xlib6 3.3.2.2-4 installed.
First the description of these packages calls them libc5 X clients. Is
this right? Second is it possible that a new bug has crept in?

The error I am getting is "PopuShell must have a non-NULL parent"

Any ides here would be appreciated.

Thanks.

-- 
Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]770-996-6955
Factory Automation Systems
Atlanta Ga.
-- 
Windows 98: n.
minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
of competition.
-
(c) 1998 Stan Brown.  Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.


Re: where is xmem(hamm)?

1998-12-28 Thread Thomas Keusch
On Sun, Dec 27, 1998 at 06:49:51PM +0100, Thomas Keusch wrote:

> I received an email from David Stern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, who
> provided an URL to the xmem source on sunsite:
> 
> http://sunsite.uakom.sk/pub/linux/system/status/xstatus/xmem-1.02.tgz
> 
> First I'll try that one (thanks David!), and in case it fails, I'll try
> unpacking the xmem executable off the old bo xcontrib package and use that.

Two things: xmem was in xproc (bo), not xcontrib.
the source mentioned above is 'another' xmem. :(

third thing:on my bo 1.3.1 CDs (from www.jfl.de) I looked for the source
of xmem. Unfortunately its .deb is damaged/is no .deb at all.

Are there some FTP-Servers that still feature bo?

-- 

 thomas..powered.by.debian/linux.
irc.:.#meeting.points, #frust.ger


Re: spreadsheet

1998-12-28 Thread Richard Sevenich
ApplixWare has a spreadsheet - it's adequate for my needs, but is not free.
Richard


Re: File download problem

1998-12-28 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Sun, 27 Dec 1998, KTB wrote:

> Hi, I was downloading the Communicator file once again.  I tried another
> installation and came very close this time.  Anyway I decided to remove
> all the previous Communicator files I had downloaded and see if a fresh
> one would work.  I used "rm" to take out a communicator directory and
> all the files.  I used "updatedb" and "locate communicator" and didn't
> find anything.
> 
> My problem is when I  finished downloading the Communicator file with
> Lynx the selection "save to disk" came up; I selected that and when I
> did, got the message, "Alert!: Cannot write to file" then it said to
> "enter a new file name" which I tried but it just kept saying
> "Alert!:..."  So what have I done now?  Why can't I save the file to
> disk?
> Thanks,
> Kent

Possibly you are in a directory for which you do not have write
permission.

IMHO, you would be better off getting it with an ftp client instead of a
browser.

Bob


Bob Nielsen Internet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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File download problem

1998-12-28 Thread KTB
Hi, I was downloading the Communicator file once again.  I tried another
installation and came very close this time.  Anyway I decided to remove
all the previous Communicator files I had downloaded and see if a fresh
one would work.  I used "rm" to take out a communicator directory and
all the files.  I used "updatedb" and "locate communicator" and didn't
find anything.

My problem is when I  finished downloading the Communicator file with
Lynx the selection "save to disk" came up; I selected that and when I
did, got the message, "Alert!: Cannot write to file" then it said to
"enter a new file name" which I tried but it just kept saying
"Alert!:..."  So what have I done now?  Why can't I save the file to
disk?
Thanks,
Kent


sound in netscape

1998-12-28 Thread LOPARIC Marko
Hi,

I am trying to put sound in netscape 4.5. Apparently the debian package
doesn't install the sound interfaces (plugins?), or does it? 

I tried to install the ump plugin for midi files, but when I start
netscape it says

ERROR: /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/ump.so: undefined symbol: fstat
Cant load plugin /usr/lib/netscape/plugins/ump.so. Ignored.

Any ideas? Do I really have to install a plugin for each kind of sound
file? Are there debian packages for that (I have a SB 16)?

Thanks in advance,

Marko

PS. Please email me back, I can't read Debian Mailing lists archives. My
netscape 4.5 hangs after loading 200K of a html page. Have you had this
problem also?


Re: spreadsheet

1998-12-28 Thread ivan
Stan,

I'm not a big user of spreadsheets but I have looked at Siag which seems to
be quite effective.  IIRC functionality can be extended through scripting
(as in Excel) although the scripting language is not built in.  I think
Perl is the language (but don't quote me on that :)

Also from what I see on the list here, StarOffice has a spreadsheet as part
of its package but I've no idea how good that is - I would expect that it
would be very good as it is part of a commercial suite but then again ...

If neither of those suit you then there is another office suite around
somewhere called, I think, Andrew.  This also has a spreadsheet.

Good luck !

Ivan.

At 02:10 PM 12/27/98 -0500, you wrote:
>   Anyone have a reomendation for a good spreadsheet, under Debian?
>
>   I would have sworn, that I had seen a nice graphical one in a recent
>   _Linux Journal_, but I can't seem to locate it in my stack of back
>   issues.
>
>   Thanks.
>
>-- 
>Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
770-996-6955
>Factory Automation Systems
>Atlanta Ga.
>-- 
>Windows 98: n.
>   minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a
>   16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit
>   microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit
>   of competition.
>-
>(c) 1998 Stan Brown.  Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.
>
>
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