Re: How unstable is unstable?

[Lawrence Walton]

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 06:06:29PM -0500, Christian Dysthe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have have been using Debian for a couple of months and I am happy with how
> it runs.
> 
> As a new user I wonder about stable vs unstable. I often get in trouble 
> because
> I need to compile software that for instance depends on libc6 or a newer
> versions of GTK. The result is that I have been updating parts of my system to
> be able to run certain applications.
> 
> So my question is: Does unstable mean
> you will have all kinds of crashes and unexpected behavior, or does it mean
> that some programs might have more bugs than running in the stable
> distribution?
> 
> I mean, if unstable means it has as many bugs as Windows, "the
> whole world" could actually be tricked into using it ;) (see: MS Market
> policies). But I assume higher standards here, and wonder how unstable it
> actually would be on my box?
> 
> I know stability is essentila to people using Linux as for instance web 
> servers,
> and that 92% uptime is MUCH worse than 98%. But for me, a normal business 
> user,
> the only thing that really conserns me is if running unstable means I often 
> will
> loose data or that I will have to go back to work like I did with Win 98: 20%
> of my work day dealing with rebooting.
> 
> It is almost too easy to do: "apt-get dist-upgrade". Should I? :)
> 
> Advice would be greatly appreciated. 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Pine 4.1

[Marlon Urias]

There are deb available BUT if you insist on installing from sources:
The trick is to use the the 'ncurses' library instead of termcap. 
 You'll have to muck with the makefile to accomplish this.
Be sure you've installed the 'ncurses3.4-dev' package, which will give
you the appropriate headers and (static, I think) libraries.  Then in the
sources open "pine/makefile.lnx" and be sure the line which begins with 
"STDLIBS=" contains '-lncurses' and not '-ltermcap'. It should build just
fine now.
Also do the same in the pico makefile if you want pico.
marlon

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Rick Salvador wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   I've been trying to compile Pine 4.1 on my Debian 2.1r0 system and I get
> getting an error about not having ltermcap. I'v installed the libtermcap
> package and the libc5 package with no help. I'll admit to being a newbie.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
> Rick
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Re: RedHat need not apply

[Ed Cogburn]

Tony Crawford wrote:
> 
> Kenneth Scharf wrote (on 22 Apr 99, at 5:07):
> 
> > While it is good that Debian
> > takes its time to 'get it right' having a commerical product based on
> > Debian could put some pressure on the distro for 'more timely releases'
> > or worse, a commerical release of an 'unstable' branch might occurr to
> > 'keep up with the Jones'.
> 
> Which would bring the Linux league one step closer to the corporate
> league. The next subsequent step being that the bugs left in the
> release would be denied (or renamed "issues") in the marketing
> literature.
> 
> Tony


If Corel wishes to shoot itself in the foot by releasing a distro
based on an unstable Debian, let it; Corel wouldn't last very long
if it does, and I'm sure they know that.  Besides, I don't think
that Corel's intended audience for this Debian-based commercial
distro, will be the types of folks who will want to live on the
bleeding edge.  This is going to be a group that is very different
from the folks making up the Debian community.
Secondly, I don't see how Corel would have any way of pressuring
the Debian community.  Our developers are as free and unfettered
as before; Corel has no 'hold' over any of us.


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Re: http proxy with Apache

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Your friend should probably just set his browser preferences to use your web
server as proxy for all requests. In order to do what you describe below you'd
have to modify the actual html in the stream to change the links or the target
site would have to use *only* relative links.

Max wrote:

> I'm trying to set up my Apache server to act as a proxy for certain
> requests and I'm not getting the desired behavior.  Over here, we can
> connect to a remote http server that allows access based on IP
> addresses (and we have been granted access).  The problem is that one
> of my users connects remotely and has a different IP address, so I'm
> trying to set up the local Apache server to act on behalf of his
> requests.  So, when he types in http://foo.com/bar, I want that to
> expand to http://bar.com/.  I added the following lines to
> /etc/apache/httpd.conf:
>
> ProxyRequests on
> ProxyPass /bar/ http://bar.com/
> ProxyPassReverse /bar/ http://bar.com/
>
> So, http://foo.com/bar ends up loading http://bar.com/index.html,
> which is what I want.  However, index.html contains links.  Links of
> the form "index2.html" get interpreted properly as
> http://foo.com/bar/index2.html but links of the form
> "/blah/index3.html" get interpreted as
> http://foo.com/blah/index3.html, which obviously fails.  Does anyone
> know how to fix this and force ALL links on bar.com to go through
> http://foo.com/bar?
>
> Thanks,
> Max
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Re: Netscape Resources

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Philip Lehman wrote:

> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Greg Scharrer wrote:
>
> >I am using a Sony CPD-200ES Monitor and an S3 ViRGE/DX video card. When I
> >use Netscape 3 with a 1280x1024 resolution, the menu labels (e.g., File,
> >Go, Bookmarks) are small, and so are the buttons (e.g., Back, Forward).
> >Does anyone know how to make these items larger?
> >
> >I tried looking for the resource file (the Netscape help says it should be
> >Netscape.ad), but could not find it. Does anyone know where the resource
> >file is?
>
> In the same directory in which the executable resides. But this is the
> global resource file, you shouldn't change it but rather put any
> customized settings in your .Xdefaults file (this will override
> Netscape.ad) and add 'xrdb < .Xdefaults' to your .xinitrc or .xsession
> file.
>
> I don't think you can change the size of the buttons, but if you want
> larger fonts, just put something like this in .Xdefaults:
>
> Netscape*fontList:
> -adobe-helvetica-medium-r-normal--14-100-*-*-*-*-iso8859-1
>
> This will change almost all fonts, but you can make more soecific
> settings.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Philip Lehman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Looking at the Netscape app-defaults file I see:

*fontList:  
-*-helvetica-medium-r-normal-*-*-120-*-*-*-*-iso8859-*

So the font is specified in the number of points. Perhaps you just need to tell 
your
XServer what the real dimensions of a pixel on your screen are. This is 
something
which I think few people do but it actually makes a lot more sense. I wish 
rxvt's
would always appear the same size on the screen regardless of the screen's 
size. I
recommend you measure the width of the viewable area of your screen and compute 
the
dots per inch you actually have. This setting then needs to be passed on the 
command
line to your X server. If you're using xdm you can edit /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers, 
eg.:

:0 local /usr/X11R6/bin/X -dpi 100

This technique (and others is well documented in the X Font Deuglification 
HOWTO:
http://www.frii.com/~meldroc/Font-Deuglification.html). The changes outlined 
there
made a *huge* difference for me.

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Re: RedHat need not apply

[Ed Cogburn]

Sean wrote:
> 
> I don't think this would be that much of a problem, in fact I would
> think the trend would tend to go the other way.  A software company,
> such as Corel, who has a massive software package, a-la WordPerfect,
> isn't going to be quick to change the libraries that it is based upon.
> At least that's what I would suspect.  If I had a large piece of
> software, changing something as major as the underlying libraries would
> be pretty low on the totem pole, and would probably not occur until the
> new libraries were extremely mainstream.


libc6 isn't mainstream?


> 
> For instance, when I installed Debian, I was sure to include the libc5
> libraries just because I had forgotten to install them once before, and
> was pretty surprised at the host of stuff that wouldn't work without
> them.  The "Official" version of netscape being one.


The 'unofficial' version at least is available, unlike with WP. 
WP is the only software that needs libc5 on my system.


> 
> As far as the kernel goes, I wouldn't think that it would be much of an
> issue for Office-style software, a-la WordPerfect.  Besides, my
> experience with Debian is that it is very similar to Slackware in that
> if you want to compile and install software that is not yet available in
> a stable-debianized form, that it will still work pretty well.  I'm
> running the 2.2.5-ac6 kernel, and have had no problems with it, or any
> of the other >2.0 kernels that I've been running ever since I first
> installed Debian a year or more ago.
> 
> I'm also running gtk-1.2.1, and gimp-1.0.4, and have most of the
> gnome-1.0.5 stuff installed.  All of this was compiled from source, and
> lives in some variant of /usr/local.  As these things become available
> in a debianized package, I usually take them out of /usr/local , and
> "officially" install them with the .deb package.
> 
> This is one of the things I've always really liked about Debian, in
> general. It allows me to run a stable Linux box, with incredible upgrade
> abilities, while also allowing me to run some cutting edge stuff via
> compiled source.  Of the other dists I've messed with, RedHat gave the
> the former without the latter, and Slackware the latter without the
> former. And SuSE, well . . . I utterly despised Yast.
> 
> Anyway, I guess all I really wanted to say was that I don't think the
> fact the Debian doesn't 'live on the edge' of development will be a real
> issue for either Corel or their Linux-software.
> 
> 


I agree with the last paragraph.


> 
> Sean
> 
> Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> >
> > One problem that I see is that Debian usually lags behind the other
> > distributions in getting the latest and greatest into a release.
> > Debian was the second to get a glibc2 out (only beaten by RedHat) and
> > will probably be the last to release a distro with a 2.2 kernel as
> > default (the alpha slink release was the first with glibc2.1, but the
> > i386 version will lag behind the others).  While it is good that Debian
> > takes its time to 'get it right' having a commerical product based on
> > Debian could put some pressure on the distro for 'more timely releases'
> > or worse, a commerical release of an 'unstable' branch might occurr to
> > 'keep up with the Jones'.
> >

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Re: W95 defrag

[Colin Marquardt]

* Holger Mense <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, H C Pumphrey wrote:
>> Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,
>> 
>> This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
>> RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
>> FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
>> will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
>> the disc, but
>> 
>> (a) it wants to put some things at the end and
>> (b) there are some things which it colours red/white and won't move at
>> all. 
> Afaik defrag cannot move files, which have the one of the following
> attributes: read only, system or hidden.

Yes. Trying that on a friend´s computer, we had three rahter large
files lying around in the \windows\system directory with the system
(and hidden?)  attribute set. You could guess what files those are
by seeing what percentage these take of your harddisk. Removed the
attributes, defragged, set them again, et voila.

Cheers, Colin

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How unstable is unstable?

[Christian Dysthe]

Hi,

I have have been using Debian for a couple of months and I am happy with how
it runs.

As a new user I wonder about stable vs unstable. I often get in trouble because
I need to compile software that for instance depends on libc6 or a newer
versions of GTK. The result is that I have been updating parts of my system to
be able to run certain applications.

So my question is: Does unstable mean
you will have all kinds of crashes and unexpected behavior, or does it mean
that some programs might have more bugs than running in the stable
distribution?

I mean, if unstable means it has as many bugs as Windows, "the
whole world" could actually be tricked into using it ;) (see: MS Market
policies). But I assume higher standards here, and wonder how unstable it
actually would be on my box?

I know stability is essentila to people using Linux as for instance web servers,
and that 92% uptime is MUCH worse than 98%. But for me, a normal business user,
the only thing that really conserns me is if running unstable means I often will
loose data or that I will have to go back to work like I did with Win 98: 20%
of my work day dealing with rebooting.

It is almost too easy to do: "apt-get dist-upgrade". Should I? :)

Advice would be greatly appreciated. 



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Boot failure on SPARCstation 2

[Max]

I'm trying to install Debian on my SPARCstation 2 and I'm getting the
following error:

esp0: IRQ 3 SCSI ID 7 Clk 20 MHz CCF=4 TOut 167 NCR53C90A (esp100a)
ESP: Total of 1 ESP hosts found, 1 actually in use
scsi0: Sparc ESP100A (NCR53C90A)
scsi: 1 host
esp0: Warning, live target 0 not responding to selection

The last warning repeats forever and the boot can't get past that
point.  I briefly scanned through the debian-sparc archives and others
have reported similar problems with no solution.  Does anyone have a
way to fix this?  I'm using the rescue floppy from ftp.us.debian.org
with the 2.2.1 kernel.

Thanks,
Max

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Re: RedHat need not apply

[Ed Cogburn]

Bob Nielsen wrote:
> 
> I expect this will mean that the next update to WordPerfect will be as a
> .deb file
> 
> Bob


I don't know.  Corel told me they have no plan to move to libc6,
so its not clear to me how strongly they will support their
stand-alone WP.  Maybe they are planning to provide more support
for their 'Office Suite' which includes WP.


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Re: SiS 6326

[Carl Mummert]

This is extensively documented at:
 http://www.debian.org/Lists-Archives/debian-user-9904/msg00789.html


Carl

Re: W95 defrag [also lilo+Linux+Win98 FAT32]

[Brad]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, H C Pumphrey wrote:
> 
> Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,

Greetings (:

> This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
> RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
> FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
> will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
> the disc, but

One piece of advice: back up everything you want to keep! i used fips on
my Win98 FAT32 drive at one point, and even though it didn't appear to
wreck anything Windoze refused to start until i restored from a backup i
made (in my case it was easy, two HDs). Second piece of advice: don't use
the M$ backup to do it, if you need to use the CD to boot it makes you
reinstall windows before it'll read the thing no matter what.

[[[SNIP]]]
> A related question: the Linux+Win95 mini-HOWTO says that if you have FAT32
> you should not try using LILO. Is this info up-to-date? What about the
> business about the Linux boot partition having to start below sector 1024
> (assuming LILO can be used ).

i have no trouble using lilo with Linux+Win98's FAT32. My setup is for a
two-drive system, but it _should_ work for a single drive multi-partition
system. In my setup, the Linux drive is hda (on partition hda2), while
windows is on hdb (partition hdb1)

The Linux section of my lilo.conf is vanilla:

  image=/vmlinuz
root=/dev/hda2
label=Linux
read-only
alias=1

For quite a while, Windows refused to boot at all from lilo. i finally
solved the problem by using some obscure commands buried deep in TFM.
Probably you won't need them, but they're here for a reference anyway.

  other=/dev/hdb1
table=/dev/hdb
  # The map-drive directives make windows think it's on the primary
  # master drive instead of the primary slave. Windows would think
  # Linux was on the slave if it could see it.
map-drive = 0x80
  to = 0x81
map-drive = 0x81
  to = 0x80
label=win
alias=2

> [1] Yes I know. I should nuke W95 entirely, but I want to be sure that (a)
> I never use it and (b) all the hardware works OK in Linux.

Understandable, i did the same thing. I only use windows now when
extenuating circumstances force me (i.e. i need the windows-only printer
diagnostics). Windows was quite helpful in verifying my hardware settings,
especially the soundcard and printer. Although it turned out they were
exactly as i would have suspected from the docs.

> [2] Not sure how to find this out. 

To find if it's a FAT32? You should be able to right click on the drive
icon in windows and look in the properties. Or else, a good partitioning
program should tell you.

SSHD newbie question

[Rick Salvador]

Hi,

   I've compiled the sshd daemon successfully but I don't know how/where to
set it up to startup when the system boots. 

  Im guessing that I put a Symbolic link to it in init.d and then have to
call it from rc3.d but not real sure how to proceed.

Thnx


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make modules question

[homega]

Hi,

after compiling a new kernel, `make mrproper', `make config', `make
dep', and `make clean', I run `make modules' with this result:

homega:/usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot# make modules
make: *** No rule to make target `modules'.  Stop.

what about the new modules?  `lsmod' returns nothing at all:

homega:~$ lsmod
Module PagesUsed by

Where are the modules (new and old)?

TIA

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[ snip ]

 : >- I don't remember other reasons but GNOME is greater !
 : >  
 : We could argue that...  ;)

Please do so somewhere other than debian-user.

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[Paul Seelig]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Sami Dalouche wrote:

> I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome.
> [ etc. deleted ]
>
Please stop right here! If you don't understand it then just keep
quiet instead of provoking yet another flame war on this subject.
Corel made a choice with regards to making money. Deal with it.

JFYI: I don't like KDE very much either but don't use GNOME either.
But i'd rather adminster a KDE based Corel/Debian Linux at work than
having to stand yet another year with Win9x/NT/2000/whatever.

   Thank you, P. *8^)
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http proxy with Apache

[Max]

I'm trying to set up my Apache server to act as a proxy for certain
requests and I'm not getting the desired behavior.  Over here, we can
connect to a remote http server that allows access based on IP
addresses (and we have been granted access).  The problem is that one
of my users connects remotely and has a different IP address, so I'm
trying to set up the local Apache server to act on behalf of his
requests.  So, when he types in http://foo.com/bar, I want that to
expand to http://bar.com/.  I added the following lines to
/etc/apache/httpd.conf:

ProxyRequests on
ProxyPass /bar/ http://bar.com/
ProxyPassReverse /bar/ http://bar.com/

So, http://foo.com/bar ends up loading http://bar.com/index.html,
which is what I want.  However, index.html contains links.  Links of
the form "index2.html" get interpreted properly as
http://foo.com/bar/index2.html but links of the form
"/blah/index3.html" get interpreted as
http://foo.com/blah/index3.html, which obviously fails.  Does anyone
know how to fix this and force ALL links on bar.com to go through
http://foo.com/bar?

Thanks,
Max

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[MallarJ]

In a message dated 4/22/99 3:27:48 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome.
>  KDE is not free or not fully free.

As stated in the release that came out a few days ago - it had to do with the 
fact that KDE has been around longer - and is more refined.

>  It's worse than Gnome :

I disagree.

>   - it takes more memory

True - maybe because it's more advanced?

>   - it's not GTK ( I'm a GTk fan)
>   - I will have less apps because Gnome is newer and has, I think, 
already a 
> lot of apps compared to KDE which is older.

I would say KDE has the edge on number of apps.

>   - I don't remember other reasons but GNOME is greater !
>  
We could argue that...  ;)

-Jay

Netscape Resources

[Greg Scharrer]

I am using a Sony CPD-200ES Monitor and an S3 ViRGE/DX video card. When I
use Netscape 3 with a 1280x1024 resolution, the menu labels (e.g., File,
Go, Bookmarks) are small, and so are the buttons (e.g., Back, Forward).
Does anyone know how to make these items larger? 

I tried looking for the resource file (the Netscape help says it should be
Netscape.ad), but could not find it. Does anyone know where the resource
file is?

Thanks for your help.

Greg Scharrer

Re: Potato

[Kevin Dalley]

Avoid 2.2.1 kernel.  The compiler sometimes died on my with this
kernel.  Under potato, I only have a handful of packages which don't
work correctly now.

"Madel, Kurt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> For those of you using Potato, I was wondering how unstable it is.  I have a
> Zip Plus drive and know that it is naturally supported by the 2.2.X  kernel,
> so would like to move to a 2.2.X distribution as soon as possible and would
> like to use Debian because I believe in freedom.

SiS 6326

[Rafael Urias Cardona Echeverry]

I bought a Tiger Direct PC, K6-2 350, with an SiS 6326 8MB AGP video card. 
However, with that video card, I cannot get X to work. 

We found a card specific server on the Xfree ftp site with some support
for the SiS 6326. We downloaded both svga and svga16 servers, but cannot
get the card to work with either. What little does happen convinces my
colleague that the XF86Config file is not right.

If someone has a XF86Config file for the svga server that is known to work
with an SIS 6326, I'd appreciate your sharing it with me. 


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Re: Pine 4.1

[John Maheu]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Rick Salvador wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>   I've been trying to compile Pine 4.1 on my Debian 2.1r0 system and I get
> getting an error about not having ltermcap. I'v installed the libtermcap
> package and the libc5 package with no help. I'll admit to being a newbie.
> Any help would be appreciated.
> 
If you check the debian-user archives someone recently advertised having
pine debs
available for downloading.
  
John

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[thomas lakofski]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Philip Lehman wrote:

> How enlightening. KDE bashing is pretty trendy at the moment, isn't
> it?

i think it'll be nice to have the choice of either.  commercial adoption
of debian as a base can only lead to good things, i think (judging by what
corel's saying).

> Please, let's try to keep a reasonable noise-data ratio on this list
> ;)

sorry, i'm not helping much.

-t

..
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xtrememleyyhiclmelyey  BAD hiccuppy etc must sign off - 
EF D8 33 68 B3 E3 E9 D2  C1 3E 51 22 8A AA 7B 98 umbra (!)

Pine 4.1

[Rick Salvador]

Hi,

  I've been trying to compile Pine 4.1 on my Debian 2.1r0 system and I get
getting an error about not having ltermcap. I'v installed the libtermcap
package and the libc5 package with no help. I'll admit to being a newbie.
Any help would be appreciated.

Rick

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[Syrus Nemat-Nasser]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Sami Dalouche wrote:

> I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome.
> KDE is not free or not fully free.
> It's worse than Gnome :
>   - it takes more memory
>   - it's not GTK ( I'm a GTk fan)
>   - I will have less apps because Gnome is newer and has, I think, 
> already a lot of apps compared to KDE which is older.
>   - I don't remember other reasons but GNOME is greater !

Perhaps we can leave the GNOME vs. KDE flames on slashdot. However, I am
using GNOME because I want to. Howevere, I acknowledge that KDE is
relatively stable now and more mature. Definitely the right choice for
Corel at this time. KDE is fully free if Corel defines their OS
distribution as including QT runtime. Debian simply won't do that because
of DFSG, but there's nothing legally wrong with a company like Corel doing
so.

Thanks. Syrus.

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Re: Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[Jeff Noxon]

Oh, no.  Let's not start another GNOME-vs-KDE thread.  Please!

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 08:47:47PM +0200, Sami Dalouche wrote:
> I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome.
[ Rest deleted ]

Corel : GNOME vs KDE

[Sami Dalouche]

I don't understand why Corel has chosen KDE instead of Gnome.
KDE is not free or not fully free.
It's worse than Gnome :
- it takes more memory
- it's not GTK ( I'm a GTk fan)
- I will have less apps because Gnome is newer and has, I think, 
already a lot of apps compared to KDE which is older.
- I don't remember other reasons but GNOME is greater !

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Re: Long filenames on cdr

[Sami Dalouche]

U can use -R instead of -r.
See the man page for differences.
On Sat, Mar 06, 1999 at 10:07:52PM +0100, LinHaX wrote:
> With mkisofs, you can use -r to have long filenames under linux & -J to have
> long filename under Windoze.
> -r -J -> long filenames under Linux + Windoze !!
> On Fri, Mar 05, 1999 at 02:00:15PM +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] called Bernhard 
> Dobbels wrote a 0.4K and a 16 line message : "Long filenames on cdr" To 
> Debian User List :
> 
> > Hi,
> > 
> > I've tried the joliet extention, but aparently, when i mount the cdimage,
> > the filenames are cutoff at 32 characters. 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > --
> > Bernhard DobbelsStudent Electronic Engineer 
> > option Automation and Computersystems.
> > E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ICQ: 25783372
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> 
>  That's all Bernhard Dobbels's message : "Long filenames on cdr". Just 16 
> lines !
> 
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Sound Editor

[Sami Dalouche]

Is there a Sound Editor similar (but more powerful) to Cool Edit available 
under Linux. (And in .deb if possible) ?

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Ati Xpert@Play 98 AGP 2X

[Sami Dalouche]

Is anyone running X (slink version) with this card ?
Is it good supported.
I ask you these questions because I've a S3 GX/2 card which is supported but 
with this card, my X crashes often.
So, If I bought a new card, I want it to be fully compatible with linux.

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Re: Netscape Probs on Slink

[Torsten Hilbrich]

Peter Weiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello Debianers,
> 
> another Slink problem:
> 
> Starting Netscape 4.07 Communicator shows up the licence-window and
> freezes short after. The prozess runs, hangs, no output, it does not
> consume much cpu time (Kernel is 2.2.4).

strace your Netscape.  If you get a lot of select calls with
increasing timeouts it tries to resolve some hostnames.  I got
similiar problem and it took about 20 minutes for netscape to timeout.

Torsten

Hello From Corel, was(Re: Strategic Alliance Between Corel, KDE and Debian)

[Dave Neil]

Hi Everyone,

My name is Dave Neil. I'm working on the Corel Linux OS.
I would like to comment on what we at Corel will be doing with regards to  joint
development with  Debian. To help do this I'll  respond to Mark's message.

Mark Phillips wrote:

> I just received the Debian announcement about the alliance between
> Corel, KDE and Debian.  This is potentially a very good thing for
> Debian.  It may pave the way for a much wider acceptance of Debian ---
> via the Corel linux distribution --- and ensure Debian maintains its
> influence on the direction of the linux movement as a whole.
>

Yes we do hope this is the case.  Debian certainly deserves to be in the 
forefront of
the Linux
movement. As far as an alliance, it really has two parts, Corel is working with
Debian on the OS side, and with KDE on the desktop. It in no way implies that 
Debian
is aligned with KDE.
In fact if Debian chooses to work with GNOME  great, because perhaps that will 
be of
benefit
to us down the road as things evolve who knows?

>
> It seems Corel will be developing tools which make it possible to do
> close to fully automated Debian installation and system management.
> Presumably this will be a combined effort and that the resulting code
> will be GNU licenced.
>

Yes we will work with Debian on this to come up with a GNU/GPL'd installer if 
you
wish.
As far as system management tools that will be our next step, again if you wish.

>
> Two questions come to mind.
>
> 1. How is this work to be integrated with current package management
> efforts like gnome-apt?  What would be nice is installation software
> that allows one to have as little or as much control over the process
> as one desires --- and the same for system management software.  If
> Debian can work with Corel to develop such a system, based presumably
> on apt, then Corel can use the "low control" part of the code for
> their distribution, and at the same time, Debian will have increased
> the versatility of their installation software.  The danger I forsee
> is that perhaps the Corel development of "easy to use" package and
> system management will occur separately from Debian package and system
> management development --- in which case Debian will gain only little
> out of the deal.  That is, we will gain an alternative, "user
> ultra-friendly", management scheme, but we will be forced to choose
> between this and the normal Debian offerings and of course we will all
> choose the latter.  How much better if collaboration with Corel could
> be used to develop all-round better installation/system management
> software --- one which allowed every shade of grey between "user
> ultra-friendly" and "user ultra-configurable"?
>

Your absolutely right. We intend ,should everyone involved with Debian agree, to
jointly develop
those types of features. Though at times we may differ slightly in our vision 
of how
these things may act and look, we will work with Debian  to reach a consensus on
design. Our present proposed model which will be explained shortly, is designed 
for
flexibility, thus allowing Debian and Corel to choose what they would like to 
include
or exclude from the final program(s).

>
> 2. How does this collaboration fit with the gnome project?  Presumably
> this collaboration means a significant aligning of Debian with KDE?
> Sure Debian will always give one the ability to choose between the
> two, but if much Debian development work is done based around KDE, it
> would make KDE the natural choice.  Are the KDE and Gnome projects
> opposed?  Or are they pursuing different goals --- in a way that would
> make it possible to take the best from both worlds?

The easy answer to that is not to "require" either of those in the final build 
of our

programs, but rather  allow "either" to run ontop of our joint design.
Debian will be able to do a GUI install based on what they choose(GTK?)
and we'll  do ours based around KDE/QT2. The underlying setup engine would be UI
independent. This way perhaps the Debian and Corel installer would be truly
a solution for anyone wanting to have a GUI install using whatever front end 
they
wish. As for other features the same concept could be followed.

I can honestly say that the Corel Linux team wants to work in an open 
environment,
and work to help both Debian and Corel.  As far as what Debian chooses to use or
not ,hey that's your choice and we'll respect that. I really hope we can work
together and
help to better an already great distribution further. It will be in our 
interest to
make sure Debian continues to be the success it already is.
There is the question of Corel DeskTop Linux and what it will be.
How will Corel DeskTop Linux differ from Debian?
Well it will be different on the surface and it  will NOT  be a better Debian .
It'll have a KDE based desktop, it'll have some of our applications, it may have
other stuff thrown in. But we'll gladly say to potential users,"If our 
distribution
doesn't fit your needs tr

Re: W95 defrag

[Holger Mense]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, H C Pumphrey wrote:

> Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,
> 
> This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
> RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
> FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
> will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
> the disc, but
> 
> (a) it wants to put some things at the end and
> (b) there are some things which it colours red/white and won't move at
> all. 
Afaik defrag cannot move files, which have the one of the following
attributes: read only, system or hidden.
Therefore you have to scan you harddisk for files with these file
attributes and change them to normal file attributes (see dir /? for
that). Then try again defrag. Now all blocks should move.

 
> A related question: the Linux+Win95 mini-HOWTO says that if you have FAT32
> you should not try using LILO. Is this info up-to-date? 
I don't know... I have also Win95 and Linux on my harddisk, but I use
loadlin for loadling Linux - imho it is much easier than the configuration
of lilo.

> What about the business about the Linux boot partition having to start
> below sector 1024 (assuming LILO can be used ). 
Yes, the first cylinder of your boot partition must be in the first 1024
cylinders of your harddisk. That is because, at the time when lilo starts
a bigger number than 1024 cannot be adressed by the system.
 

HTH, Holger

-- 
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W95 defrag

[Kenneth Scharf]

Turn file mirror off and then defrag again.
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Re: W95 defrag

[Alec Smith]

You might also take a look at a commercial package called PartitionMagic
from PowerQuest. Yeah, it costs money... I've found however that
PartitionMagic does a reliable job resizing partitions without need of
defragging. If you've got more than one machine, or expect to be fiddling
with partitions often enough, its definitely worth the cash. It might also
save you from some stupid administrator errors. :)



On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Leen Besselink wrote:

> 
> 
> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, H C Pumphrey wrote:
> 
> > 
> > Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,
> > 
> > This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
> > RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
> > FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
> > will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
> > the disc, but
> > 
> > (a) it wants to put some things at the end and
> > (b) there are some things which it colours red/white and won't move at
> > all. 
> 
> well, I don't know if your using the latest version...
> but, if you are... (maybe earlier versions do the same)...
> fips will let you make a backup of your fat(32) AND
> very importantly it will let you know till what point the disk is used...
> (do you understand what I mean ?, hope so for you)
> 
> so, you can try running it... and it will tell you if you can make use of
> as mcuh diskspace as you want to.
> 
> also, mostly the files that defrag leaves lying around...
> are the mirror and image files... you would be able to spot those in the
> C:\ dir.
> 
> Hope this helps...
> 
> --- snip ---
> 
> 
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> 
> 

Re: KDM vs XDM

[MallarJ]

In a message dated 4/22/99 12:34:01 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Thanks.  I am still kind of a newbie at this.  Words like "binary" and
>  "compile the kernel" and other threatening words like that, I've steered
>  clear of.  Could you help me know exactly what you mean when you say "save
>  your old xdm binary and put the new kdm in it's  place"?
>  
>  

Sure.  :)

First off, I just checked my laptop (where I run my slink box) and it turns 
out I went about it the long way and modified my scripts to recognize 
start-kdm as well as start-xdm.  So, let me give you both ways..

1) The easiest way, but probably not the best way, is to rename your binaries.

cd /usr/X11R6/bin
mv xdm xdm.orig
ln -s kdm xdm

2) The other way is more involved, but probably closer to The Debian Way.  

In /etc/X11/xdm, there is a file called xdm.options.  That is hamm's 
options file,
basically.  If there's a line in it that reads "start-xdm", change it 
to 
"no-start-xdm".  Then, add a line "start-kdm" below that.  (PS - You 
can
turn off kdm by changing it to "no-start-kdm").  You can't have both 
on
tho - the script I'm about to give you will complain.

Then, "cd /etc/init.d" and "mv xdm xdm.orig".  This saves off your 
original
start xdm script just in case you want it back.

Now, still in the init.d dir, take the attached file and save it as 
"xdm".

Hope that helps.
Jay
#!/bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/xdm: start or stop the X display manager

set -e

START_XDM=
START_KDM=

if grep -s ^start-xdm /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
  START_XDM=yes
fi

if grep -s ^start-kdm /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
  START_KDM=yes
fi

if [ "$START_KDM" ]; then
  if [ "$START_XDM" ]; then
echo "Unable to start both xdm and kdm!"
exit 1
  fi
else
  if [ ! "$START_XDM" ]; then
echo "Nothing to start!"
exit 0
  fi
fi

PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/usr/sbin
XDMDAEMON=/usr/bin/X11/xdm
KDMDAEMON=/usr/bin/X11/kdm
PIDFILE=/var/run/xdm.pid

if [ $START_XDM ]; then
  test -x $XDMDAEMON || exit 0
fi

if [ $START_KDM ]; then
  test -x $KDMDAEMON || exit 0
fi

if grep -qs ^check-local-xserver /etc/X11/xdm/xdm.options; then
  if head -1 /etc/X11/Xserver 2> /dev/null | grep -q Xsun; then
# the Xsun X servers do not use XF86Config
CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER=
  else
CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER=yes
  fi
fi

case "$1" in
  start)
if [ "$CHECK_LOCAL_XSERVER" ]; then
  problem=yes
  echo -n "Checking for valid XFree86 server configuration..."
  if [ -e /etc/X11/XF86Config ]; then
if [ -x /usr/sbin/parse-xf86config ]; then
  if parse-xf86config --quiet --nowarning --noadvisory 
/etc/X11/XF86Config; then
problem=
  else
echo "error in configuration file."
  fi
else
  echo "unable to check."
fi
  else
echo "file not found."
  fi
  if [ "$problem" ]; then
echo "Not starting X display manager."
exit 1
  else
echo "done."
  fi
fi
if [ "$START_XDM" ]; then
  echo -n "Starting X display manager: xdm"
  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pid $PIDFILE --exec $XDMDAEMON || 
echo -n " already running"
else
  echo -n "Starting X display manager: kdm"
  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pid $PIDFILE --exec $KDMDAEMON || 
echo -n " already running"
fi
echo "."
  ;;

  restart)
/etc/init.d/xdm stop
/etc/init.d/xdm start
  ;;

  reload)
echo -n "Reloading X display manager configuration..."
if start-stop-daemon --stop --signal 1 --quiet --pid $PIDFILE; then
  echo "done."
else
  if [ "$START_XDM" ]; then
echo "xdm not running."
  else
echo "kdm not running."
  fi
fi
  ;;

  force-reload)
/etc/init.d/xdm reload
  ;;

  stop)
if [ "$START_XDM" ]; then
  echo -n "Stopping X display manager: xdm"
else
  echo -n "Stopping X display manager: kdm"
fi
start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --pid $PIDFILE || echo -n " not running"
echo "."
  ;;

  *)
echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/xdm {start|stop|restart|reload|force-reload}"
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0

[SOLVED:] Sendmail - aliases problem

[Robert-Jan Kuijvenhoven]

Thanks Jens,

I finally got it working. I removed the localhost line in /etc/hosts and it 
works! I have got an empty hosts file now. I wouldn't have figured it out 
without your help.

Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
> These timeouts are likely due to sendmail trying to resolve domain names 
> (specifically, names which can't be
> resolved). Trying making a 'fake' domain for yourself and setting the host 
> mapping in /etc/hosts, ie.
> 
> 1.2.3.4kuifj.mydomain.nl kuifj
> 
>Robert-Jan wrote:
> 
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have installed sendmail, but when I use newaliases I get (after aprox. 2 
> > minutes) the following warning:
> >
> > WARNING: local host name (kuijf) is not qualified: fix $j in config file
> > /etc/aliases: 6 aliases, longest 10 bytes, 86 bytes total
> >
> > Sendmail is very too. All sendmail actions (starting up, sending mail) take 
> > about 2 minutes each.
> >
> > All help is appreciated,
> >
> > Robert-Jan Kuijvenhoven
> > --
> 
> --
> Jens B. Jorgensen
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

FW: KDM vs XDM

[Brian Morgan]

> > > You should find a command called switchdm (I think it is in
> >  > /usr/sbin/switchdm but my Debian/KDE box is at home). Run
> this as root
> and
> >  > it will ask you if you want [1] xdm, [2] kdm or [3] Neither.
> Press 2 and
> >  > you should have kdm next time you restart X.
> >
> >  Ran switchdm but I do not have an /etc/X11/config file, which switchdm
> >  relies on.  I am running slink and recent versions of XFree86,
> KDE, etc.
> >  Isn't there a different file that slink uses to control its
> login manager
> >  settings?
> >
>
> The options file only had an entry that instructed Linux whether
> or not to
> start xdm, not whether it should start xdm or kdm...   However,
> if you put a
> start-kdm line in options, and change your startup scripts to
> recognize the
> new line, it'll work as the start-xdm line does.
>
> However, all of this is moot - you're running slink, and the options file
> isn't used in slink.
>
> So, I still say, just save your old xdm binary and put the new
> kdm in it's
> place.
>
> -Jay


I am still kind of a newbie at this.  Words like "binary" and "compile the
kernel" and other threatening words like that, I've steered clear of.  Could
you help me know exactly how to "save your old xdm binary and put the new
kdm in it's  place"?

That would be very helpful

Brian

Re: W95 defrag

[Leen Besselink]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, H C Pumphrey wrote:

> 
> Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,
> 
> This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
> RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
> FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
> will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
> the disc, but
> 
> (a) it wants to put some things at the end and
> (b) there are some things which it colours red/white and won't move at
> all. 

well, I don't know if your using the latest version...
but, if you are... (maybe earlier versions do the same)...
fips will let you make a backup of your fat(32) AND
very importantly it will let you know till what point the disk is used...
(do you understand what I mean ?, hope so for you)

so, you can try running it... and it will tell you if you can make use of
as mcuh diskspace as you want to.

also, mostly the files that defrag leaves lying around...
are the mirror and image files... you would be able to spot those in the
C:\ dir.

Hope this helps...

--- snip ---

Re: samba/network neighborhood question

[Dan Brosemer]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ben Frame wrote:

> I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine.  But it
> doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95.  Both the
> Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in
> a workgroup called "linux."   I've made several changes to my smb.conf
> file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times.
> Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it
> doesn't.  Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately.

Another user gave you the '15 minutes' suggestion which I have found works
on my box.

> So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network
> Neighborhood?

read BROWSING.txt which comes with SAMBA for a technical explanation.
There are many things which can cause it to show up/not show up in
nethood.

Another user gave you the suggestion of using your SAMBA server as a WINS
server.  This also worked for me when I was setting up SAMBA, however,
this solution was unacceptable for my purposes (as was the '15 minutes'
suggestion as windoze rarely stays up that long ).  My solution was to
add 'lm announce = yes' to the smb.conf.  This isn't a great solution as
it creates some extra network traffic, but on a small network, this is
hardly a problem.

take a look at my Samba-Beginners-HowTo which is in
development at http://wilbur.ozsome.com/~samba/ and maybe that will help
you.  Like I said, it's in development, and could use some work.

HTH

-Dano

RE: KDM vs XDM

[H C Pumphrey]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Brian Morgan wrote:

> Ran switchdm [to set kdm as default login manager] but I do not have an
> /etc/X11/config file, which switchdm relies on.  I am running slink and
> recent versions of XFree86, KDE, etc.  Isn't there a different file that
> slink uses to control its login manager settings? 

I am running more-or-less pure slink, upgraded from hamm. I think you may
need the xdm package installed before switchdm can work, even if you
un-install it later. I seem to recall (from all of two days ago) that I
dpkg -purge ed xdm while X was up and some very odd things happened. I
rapidly dpkg --install ed it again and switchdm then worked fine.

I am actually a bit out of my depth here. Calling all display manager
gurus

Hugh

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Re: KDM vs XDM

[MallarJ]

In a message dated 4/22/99 12:26:38 PM Central Daylight Time, 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> > You should find a command called switchdm (I think it is in
>  > /usr/sbin/switchdm but my Debian/KDE box is at home). Run this as root 
and
>  > it will ask you if you want [1] xdm, [2] kdm or [3] Neither. Press 2 and
>  > you should have kdm next time you restart X.
>  
>  Ran switchdm but I do not have an /etc/X11/config file, which switchdm
>  relies on.  I am running slink and recent versions of XFree86, KDE, etc.
>  Isn't there a different file that slink uses to control its login manager
>  settings?
>  

The options file only had an entry that instructed Linux whether or not to 
start xdm, not whether it should start xdm or kdm...   However, if you put a 
start-kdm line in options, and change your startup scripts to recognize the 
new line, it'll work as the start-xdm line does.

However, all of this is moot - you're running slink, and the options file 
isn't used in slink.

So, I still say, just save your old xdm binary and put the new kdm in it's 
place.

-Jay

Re: subdivise potato and slink in two mailing lists

[Colin Telmer]

On Wed, 21 Apr 1999, Khalid EZZARAOUI wrote:

> as you see it there is (to me) too much mail in this mailing list.
> 
> Do you know if it possible to subdivide it in two :
> a potato
> and a slink list.
> 
> I don't know if this is usefull but ... -)

It would be hard to stop people from posting any type of questions to
debian-user and debian-devel is the potato list. Cheers.


-- 
Colin Telmer, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada

RE: KDM vs XDM

[Brian Morgan]

> On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Brian Morgan wrote:
>
> > I'd like to be able to change my default login manager to KDM instead of
> > XDM, now that I have KDE up and running.  What do I need to do
> to make this
> > happen?
>
H C Pumphrey wrote:
> You should find a command called switchdm (I think it is in
> /usr/sbin/switchdm but my Debian/KDE box is at home). Run this as root and
> it will ask you if you want [1] xdm, [2] kdm or [3] Neither. Press 2 and
> you should have kdm next time you restart X.

Ran switchdm but I do not have an /etc/X11/config file, which switchdm
relies on.  I am running slink and recent versions of XFree86, KDE, etc.
Isn't there a different file that slink uses to control its login manager
settings?

Any suggestions?
Brian

8-bit safe text utils?

[Eric House]

I'm trying to process some 8-bit text on my Debian system and it's
giving me fits.  Clearly some of the programs I'm piping things
through aren't 8-bit aware.  Can someone point me to a good listing of
these and/or to a discussion of how to work around the limitations of
the system.

Here's an example of what I'm doing.  The input is an official Dutch
word list called "woor-den.max" and the output is to be a compressed
dictionary to be included with a free Scrabble clone I'm developing
for the PalmOS platform.

The words include a character (octal 0267) that indicates hyphenation.
I want to pull it out.  If in the bash shell (either running in emacs
via shell mode or in xterm; it doesn't matter) I type

# tr -d "\267" < woor-den.max

tr does nothing.  But if I save the same command as a bash shell
script and execute it I get the desired result.

Working with grep's the same way.

This can't be an unfamiliar problem for those of you across the Atlantic.
What's the best coping strategy?

Thanks!

--Eric House

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* Sun .signature deleted: this isn't a Sun project!
**/

Re: Upgrading

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Stefan Kleijkers wrote:

 : Hello,
 : 
 : How easy is it to upgrade a Debian distribution? With RedHat it's very easy,
 : you can buy/download a new version and chose UPGRADE in the installationmenu.
 : Does Debian have something like that too?

It's absurdly easy to upgrade debian, especially when using apt-get.
Since debian uses dependencies you can usually "mix and match" pieces
from different releases.

See http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/debian-faq-10.html for some details;
perhaps someone has a better URL.

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Re: 2940U2W drivers in slink?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Graham Ashton wrote:

 : Just a quickie - can anybody verify that the slink boot floppies contain
 : drivers for the adaptec 2940U2W scsi card? I don't want to go out and
 : buy 6 boxes that I can't install debian on!

2.0.36 installed easily on a Netfinity 5000 here, which has an onboard
dual 2940U2W (AIC-7895).  I did upgrade to 2.2.5 soon thereafter, for
reasons not related to the SCSI subsystem.

HTH,

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W95 defrag

[H C Pumphrey]

Greetings, fellow  Debian fans,

This is only a proto-debian question, I'm afraid, but I have tried to
RTFM, honest. I'm trying to defrag the disc on a W95 laptop prior to using
FIPS to re-partition it so I can put Debian on it as well[1]. W95 defrag
will move a lot of stuff (which it colours turquoise) to the beginning of
the disc, but

(a) it wants to put some things at the end and
(b) there are some things which it colours red/white and won't move at
all. 

I fixed (a) by turning off W95's virtual memory but I don't know how to
fix (b). Any suggestions ? The FIPS docs suggest finding what files the
immovable blocks are and deleting them. It recommends a program called
showfat which I tried - it works on a floppy but not on my HD, probably
because it is an old program and (I guess) a FAT32 filesystem[2]. Any
clues how to find what the immobile files are? Any other ideas for dealing
with them? 

A related question: the Linux+Win95 mini-HOWTO says that if you have FAT32
you should not try using LILO. Is this info up-to-date? What about the
business about the Linux boot partition having to start below sector 1024
(assuming LILO can be used ).

Many TIA, 

Hugh

P.S. I have installed Debian twice before, but the first time was on a
W3.1 machine with a 512MB HDD and where defrag did what it should have and
the second time was on a machine with two hard discs so the problem didn't
arise. 

[1] Yes I know. I should nuke W95 entirely, but I want to be sure that (a)
I never use it and (b) all the hardware works OK in Linux.

[2] Not sure how to find this out. 

==
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Re: (no subject)

[Adam Linford]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, darrin griffiths wrote:

> I'm installing debian linux but the files resc1440.bin and drv1440.bin
> are too large to fit on a 1.44 mb floppy.
> help!
>

This may be obvious, but I've known people to attempt this from DOS, and
forget to use the rawrite command.

Adam

Re: Upgrading

[Bob Nielsen]

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 04:14:08PM +0200, Stefan Kleijkers wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> How easy is it to upgrade a Debian distribution? With RedHat it's very easy,
> you can buy/download a new version and chose UPGRADE in the installationmenu.
> Does Debian have something like that too?

As I recall (it may have changed in the past two years), Red Hat
wouldn't upgrade on a running system like Debian can, but required
rebooting from an installation kernel.

I've upgraded several Debian systems without having to reboot at all,
including two which I did via a telnet connection to a remote site.

If you think upgrading Red Hat is easy, Debian is even easier:

apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade

Bob

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unsubscribe

Re: KDM vs XDM

[H C Pumphrey]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Brian Morgan wrote:

> I'd like to be able to change my default login manager to KDM instead of
> XDM, now that I have KDE up and running.  What do I need to do to make this
> happen?

You should find a command called switchdm (I think it is in
/usr/sbin/switchdm but my Debian/KDE box is at home). Run this as root and
it will ask you if you want [1] xdm, [2] kdm or [3] Neither. Press 2 and
you should have kdm next time you restart X. I found about this in the
docs in /usr/doc/kdebase . The docs may not be there if you built KDE from
source -- I installed it from the debs onthe Cheapbytes CD. 

All the best

Hugh



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Re: samba/network neighborhood question

[Pete Templin]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Ben Frame wrote:

> I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine.  But it
> doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95.  Both the
> Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in
> a workgroup called "linux."   I've made several changes to my smb.conf
> file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times.
> Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it
> doesn't.  Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately.
> 
> So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network
> Neighborhood?
> 
> I can see the Debian machine if I do a search for it with Win95
> (start/find/computer/name).  And for now I've just placed a shortcut to
> it on my desktop to keep from having to search every time.

In a mixed NT/Linux environment, I found that using a WINS server (and
configuring it into smb.conf) makes my Linux servers show up immediately
for all TCP/IP-ready Windoze boxen.  Of course, if (when - it was NT) the
WINS box crashes and is rebooted, the Linux servers aren't visible until
samba is restarted.

I'd bet in a non-NT environment, merely enabling wins support in smb.conf
and configuring said WINS server into Winders should at least help the
visibility of the server.  YMMV.

Pete

--
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Systems and Networks Administrator

Jlink Internet Services
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Bloomsburg, PA 17815(717)389-6400

KDM vs XDM

[Brian Morgan]

I'd like to be able to change my default login manager to KDM instead of
XDM, now that I have KDE up and running.  What do I need to do to make this
happen?

Brian

 
Brian Morganhttp://brian.greenville.edu
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Re: Linux nis and shadow passwords, non Linux clients

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Nils Rennebarth wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 10:01:53AM -0500, Jens B. Jorgensen wrote:
> > Hmmm, perhaps you'll have to generate your own intermediate passwd file to
> > generate the NIS maps. However, I would perhaps reconsider using shadow. 
> > Unless
> > you're only serving up some (not root, etc.) passwords from NIS and have 
> > set up
> > NIS to work this way there's no benefit to running shadow locally since NIS 
> > is
> > 100% insecure (ie. it'll give up password entries to anyone on your network 
> > who
> > asks).
> What I'm worrying about is that a remote cracker guesses a local password
> then logs in on our server and snatches the passwd file to crack the root
> account (not that root has a password that I expect someone to crack, but
> who knows..)
>
> The way it runs currenty, a remote user has to crack a local root account,
> to "ask" for the encrypted passwords.

>
> And yes, I do only serve user passwords > id 100 by NIS.

Understood. Actually, I do something similar: we use NIS behind the firewall 
but the
firewall machine itself is an NIS client. In our situation things were a little
backwards though because we had a Sun serving up the NIS maps and linux boxen as
clients. The sun supports shadow but shadow maps are only served through NIS+.
Unfortunately, NIS+ support is just now coming together in Linux. This is all
academic though...

So, whatcha need to do is customize your /var/yp/Makefile which builds the 
actual db
files. If you open up your /var/yp/Makefile you'll find something like (snipped 
from
my own file):

passwd.byname: $(PASSWD) $(YPDIR)/Makefile
   @echo "Updating [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
@$(UMASK); \
$(AWK) -F: '!/^[-+#]/ { if ($$1 != "" && $$3 >= $(MINUID) ) \
   print $$1"\t"$$0 }' $(PASSWD) | $(DBLOAD) -i $(PASSWD) \
-o $(YPMAPDIR)/$@ - $@
[EMAIL PROTECTED](NOPUSH) || $(YPPUSH) -d $(DOMAIN) $@


passwd.byuid: $(PASSWD) $(YPDIR)/Makefile
@echo "Updating [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
@$(UMASK); \
$(AWK) -F: '!/^[-+#]/ { if ($$1 != "" && $$3 >= $(MINUID) ) \
   print $$3"\t"$$0 }' $(PASSWD) | $(DBLOAD) -i $(PASSWD) \
 -o $(YPMAPDIR)/$@ - $@
[EMAIL PROTECTED](NOPUSH) || $(YPPUSH) -d $(DOMAIN) $@

All we need to do is to pull the password field out of /etc/shadow and join it
together with the rest of the data in /etc/passwd before putting it into the db 
file.
We can easily do this using the join command so we modify the the above to:

passwd.byname: $(PASSWD) $(SHADOW) $(YPDIR)/Makefile
   @echo "Updating [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
@$(UMASK); \
/usr/bin/join -t : -j 1 -o 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 $(PASSWD) 
$(SHADOW) |
\
$(AWK) -F: '!/^[-+#]/ { if ($$1 != "" && $$3 >= $(MINUID) ) \
   print $$1"\t"$$0 }' | $(DBLOAD) -i $(PASSWD) \
-o $(YPMAPDIR)/$@ - $@
[EMAIL PROTECTED](NOPUSH) || $(YPPUSH) -d $(DOMAIN) $@


passwd.byuid: $(PASSWD) $(SHADOW) $(YPDIR)/Makefile
@echo "Updating [EMAIL PROTECTED]"
@$(UMASK); \
/usr/bin/join -t : -j 1 -o 1.1 2.2 1.3 1.4 1.5 1.6 1.7 $(PASSWD) 
$(SHADOW) |
\
$(AWK) -F: '!/^[-+#]/ { if ($$1 != "" && $$3 >= $(MINUID) ) \
   print $$3"\t"$$0 }' | $(DBLOAD) -i $(PASSWD) \
 -o $(YPMAPDIR)/$@ - $@
[EMAIL PROTECTED](NOPUSH) || $(YPPUSH) -d $(DOMAIN) $@

I haven't tested the above (except for the join command itself) but I believe 
it'll
do just exactly right.

--
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ppp very slow in one direction?

[dlr]

Please forgive yet another ppp question.

I'm stumped by this though, and I'm hoping that someone else has
experienced the same problem.

Summary:  My ppp dialup starts up OK.  Everything appears to be
  working fine, except that transfers from the ISP to my machine are
  really slow (~200 bytes/sec).  Transfers in the other direction are
  40x faster (~8000 bytes/sec).

I'm using slink, with pppd version 2.3.5 .  I set things up using
pppconfig, and I'm starting my connection with pon.

I've screwed around with my ppp options as instructed in the PPP FAQ
(eg asyncmap) and the PPP HowTo, to no effect.  Does this sound
familiar to anyone?

More details are appended below.  Thanks for reading this far,
though.
David LaRose
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--More Details-
My machine is a Dell XPS-R400.  I'm using a Zoom 56k "dual mode"
external modem on /dev/ttyS0) to dial up the modem pool at my
university, and the connection usually establishes with a negotiated
speed between 44kbps and 50kbps.  If I watch /var/log/ppp.log using
tail -f, I notice that there are long pauses between consecutive
entries, but I'm too new to know if this is significant (see logs
below).

Several colleagues claim to access this dialup pool from their redhat
5.2 machines with no problem.  I had some initial difficulties getting
PAP to work, so I used the "chat" option in pppconfig to build a chat
script.

I've appended extracts from what I think are the relevant files below.
As instructed in other documentation, I've deleted phone numbers,
userids, etc.  The excerpt from /var/log/ppp.log is pretty long, but I
didn't want to delete any important clues.  I'm wondering especially
about the line which says
> Apr 20 22:38:55 yancey pppd[1011]: Unsupported protocol (0x8029) received

Anyhow thanks again, and thanks for any help.
David LaRose
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

--Relevant Files---

/etc/ppp/peers/provider:
  # This file was generated by pppconfig.  You can edit the following lines
  # but please do not delete lines or the change the comments or you will
  # confuse pppconfig.
  noauth #pppconfig_noauth
  connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -t 60 -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"  
#pppconfig_connect
  debug  #pppconfig_debug
  /dev/ttyS0   #pppconfig_dev
  115200  #pppconfig_speed
  defaultroute #pppconfig_route
  noipdefault  #pppconfig_ipdefault
  user [...] #pppconfig_user
  # End of pppconfig controlled lines.  You can add lines below here without
  # confusing pppconfig
  #
  # The following options added by dlr have no obvious affect on 
  # connection performance
  # noproxyarp
  # asyncmap 0
  lock
  modem
  crtscts
  noipx

/var/log/ppp.log:
  Apr 20 22:38:05 yancey pppd[1011]: pppd 2.3.5 started by root, uid 0
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: abort on (BUSY)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: abort on (VOICE)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: send (ATZ^M)
  Apr 20 22:38:06 yancey chat[1012]: expect (OK)
  Apr 20 22:38:07 yancey chat[1012]: ATZ^M^M
  Apr 20 22:38:07 yancey chat[1012]: OK
  Apr 20 22:38:07 yancey chat[1012]:  -- got it 
  Apr 20 22:38:07 yancey chat[1012]: send (ATDT[Phone number]^M)
  Apr 20 22:38:08 yancey chat[1012]: expect (CONNECT)
  Apr 20 22:38:08 yancey chat[1012]: ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]: ATDT[Phone number]^M^M
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]: CONNECT
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]:  -- got it 
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]: send (^M)
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]: expect (sername:)
  Apr 20 22:38:44 yancey chat[1012]:  50666 V42bis^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: SCS Cisco 2511 Access Server [...]
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: Type "?" or "help" for information on 
available commands.^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: User Access Verification^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: Username:
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]:  -- got it 
  Apr 20 22:38:45 yancey chat[1012]: send (??)
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]: expect (ssword:)
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]:  [username]^M
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]: Password:
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]:  -- got it 
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]: send (??)
  Apr 20 22:38:46 yancey chat[1012]: expect (>)
  Apr 20 22:38:47 yancey chat[1012]:  ^M
  Apr 20 22:38:47 yancey chat[1012]: TS8>
  Apr 20 22:38:47 yancey chat[1012]:  -- got it 
  Apr 20 22:38:47 yancey chat[1012]: send (ppp default^M)
  Apr 20 22:38:47 yancey chat[1012]: send (\d)
  Apr 20 22:38:48 yancey pppd[1011]: Serial connection established.
  Apr 20 22:38:49 yancey pppd[1011]: Using interface ppp0
  Apr 20 22:38:49 yancey pppd[1

Re: building pcmcia modules for 2.2.6

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

Shaleh shaid,

> On 21-Apr-99 Richard E. Hawkins Esq. wrote:
...
> > It's time to update the kernel for my laptop,and I'm trying to use 
> > make-kpkg to do this.  I've managed to get the kernel image .deb built, 
> > but not the pcmcia stuff.
> > 
> > I've updated to the pcmcia-source from potato, and note that it has 
> > .debs for up to 2.2.5.  However, make-kpkg modules_image fails with 
> > messages like,


> Actually those are warnings.  We need the real errors.  Or maybe I should
> compile 2.2.6 on my laptop.  Still running 2.2.5.

ok, here's the entire output:


for module in /usr/src/modules/* ; do \
  if test -d  $module; then \
(cd $module; \
  ./debian/rules KVERS="2.2.6" KSRC="/usr/src/linux" \
 KMAINT="rick hawkins" KEMAIL="[EMAIL PROTECTED]" \
 KDREV="thinkpad.2" kdist_image; ); \
  fi; \
done
make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
test root = "`whoami`"
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
rm -f build build-modules
cat debian/control-source debian/control-cs \
  > debian/control
make clean
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
set -e ; for d in modules clients cardmgr flash debug-tools man etc ; do make 
-C $d clean ; done
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/modules'
rm -f core core.* *.o .*.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/modules'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/clients'
rm -f core core.* *.o .*.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/clients'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/cardmgr'
rm -f core core.* *.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
rm -f cardmgr cardctl ifport ifuser ide_info  probe
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/cardmgr'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/flash'
rm -f core core.* *.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
rm -f ftl_format ftl_check
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/flash'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/debug-tools'
rm -f core core.* *.o *.s *.a *~ .depend .depfiles/*.d
rm -f dump_tuples dump_i365 dump_tcic dump_cisreg
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/debug-tools'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/man'
make[3]: Nothing to be done for `clean'.
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/man'
make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/etc'
set -e ; make -C cis clean
make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/etc/cis'
rm -f *.dat
make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/etc/cis'
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs/etc'
rm -f .prereq.ok config.mk include/pcmcia/config.h
rm -f include/linux/modversions.h
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
rm -f modules/linux/config.h modules/linux/version.h \
  include/pcmcia/config.h cardmgr/cardinfo debug-tools/dump_cis \
  debug-tools/pack_cis config.out
rm -f -r */.depfiles
rm -f -r *~ */*~ debian/tmp debian/tmp-modules debian/src debian/*~ \
  debian/files* debian/control.tmp debian/substvars \
  debian/KVERS debian/MODVERS
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
make -f debian/rules MOD_DIR=/usr/src/linux binary-modules
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cs'
test -f man/pcmcia.5 -a -f debian/rules
test root = "`whoami`"
./Configure -n --kernel="/usr/src/linux" --srctree --cardbus

Linux PCMCIA Configuration Script

The default responses for each question are correct for most users.
Consult the PCMCIA-HOWTO for additional info about each option.

Linux source directory [/usr/src/linux]

The kernel source tree is version 2.2.6.
The current kernel build date is Mon Apr 19 14:44:34 1999.

Alternate target install directory []
  Module install directory [/lib/modules/2.2.6]
C compiler name [gcc]
Linker name [ld]
Compiler flags for debugging []
Build 'trusting' versions of card utilities (y/n) [n]
Include 32-bit (CardBus) card support (y/n) [y]

The PCMCIA drivers need to be compiled to match the kernel they
will be used with, or some or all of the modules may fail to load.
If you are not sure what to do, please consult the PCMCIA-HOWTO.

How would you like to set kernel-specific options?
1 - Read from the currently running kernel
2 - Read from the Linux source tree
3 - Set each option by hand (experts only!)
Enter option (1-3) [2]

Kernel configuration options:
Symmetric multiprocessing support is disabled.
PCI BIOS support is disabled.
Advanced Power Management (APM) support is enabled.
SCSI support is disabled.
Networking support is enabled.
 Radio network interface support is disabled.
 Token Ring device support is disabled.
Module version checking is disabled.
DEC Alpha UDB target platform is disabled.
/pr

KDE license (was: redhat need not apply)

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

Ray rote,

> > that is essentially the GPL with an additional clause that it can be
> > linked with Qt.

...


> > The KDE people need to track down the authors of the GPL code that much of
> > their project is based on, though, to get permission to use it under the
> > new license.

> I suspect authors of GPL-ed code would more readily go along with a
> GPL-except-linking-with-qt-is-ok license than with a change to a wholly
> different license.

Although I need more data to comment on KDE, this is very likely the 
case already for their own (non-third-party) code, in spite of any 
claim of GPL.  We went into this in depth with LyX, and concluded that 
lyx was never truly GPL in the first place.  I've written at length 
about this elsewhere (check for Lyx License in dejanews in 
gnu.misc.discuss), but it comes down to the author's actions being 
inconsistent with the purported license, and the specific (actions and 
requests) overrides the general/boilerplate (the GPL).

However, the lyx code is stubstantially all (all?) developed by lyx, and my 
understanding is that this isn't even close to the case for KDE.  The 
real question is whether lyx could be taken under actual GPL with the 
linking & dependent  -source clauses, or whether it's stuck without 
permission from all contributors.  I expect that there is implicit 
permission to release under the purported license rather than the 
actual license, but I won't be sure without some research, and that 
won't happen unless someone pays my retainer :)

However, as a starting position, and not legal advice, I suspect that 
the original work by KDE is quasi-GPL as you describe, and the 
applications are violations of the licensing for the original 
applications.  But I won't be following this up with research, 
either--I use lyx daily, and occasionally write code for it, but I have 
absolutely no use for a GUI set; all I want is plain old X, xterms, an 
the ability to launch x applications from scripts or xterms.

rick


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Re: configuración de redes

[William R Pentney]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Me gustaría obtener ayuda sobre:
> ¿Cómo puedo instalar una red con linux?
> 
> Lo necesito urgentemente
> 
> Gracias

[basically: How do I install a network with Linux?]

Sugero balsa. Es un colleccion de programas que usa el protocolo SMB.

Sugero que se subscribe a [EMAIL PROTECTED] tambien; pueden
darle mas ayuda. Mi espanol es muy pobre. :-)

[basically: I suggest balsa. I also suggest you subscribe to the spanish
list; they can help you more. My spanish is very poor.]

- Bill

Re: RedHat need not apply

[Sean]

I don't think this would be that much of a problem, in fact I would
think the trend would tend to go the other way.  A software company,
such as Corel, who has a massive software package, a-la WordPerfect,
isn't going to be quick to change the libraries that it is based upon. 
At least that's what I would suspect.  If I had a large piece of
software, changing something as major as the underlying libraries would
be pretty low on the totem pole, and would probably not occur until the
new libraries were extremely mainstream.  

For instance, when I installed Debian, I was sure to include the libc5
libraries just because I had forgotten to install them once before, and
was pretty surprised at the host of stuff that wouldn't work without
them.  The "Official" version of netscape being one.

As far as the kernel goes, I wouldn't think that it would be much of an
issue for Office-style software, a-la WordPerfect.  Besides, my
experience with Debian is that it is very similar to Slackware in that
if you want to compile and install software that is not yet available in
a stable-debianized form, that it will still work pretty well.  I'm
running the 2.2.5-ac6 kernel, and have had no problems with it, or any
of the other >2.0 kernels that I've been running ever since I first
installed Debian a year or more ago.  

I'm also running gtk-1.2.1, and gimp-1.0.4, and have most of the
gnome-1.0.5 stuff installed.  All of this was compiled from source, and
lives in some variant of /usr/local.  As these things become available
in a debianized package, I usually take them out of /usr/local , and
"officially" install them with the .deb package.

This is one of the things I've always really liked about Debian, in
general. It allows me to run a stable Linux box, with incredible upgrade
abilities, while also allowing me to run some cutting edge stuff via
compiled source.  Of the other dists I've messed with, RedHat gave the
the former without the latter, and Slackware the latter without the
former. And SuSE, well . . . I utterly despised Yast.

Anyway, I guess all I really wanted to say was that I don't think the
fact the Debian doesn't 'live on the edge' of development will be a real
issue for either Corel or their Linux-software.



Sean


Kenneth Scharf wrote:
> 
> One problem that I see is that Debian usually lags behind the other
> distributions in getting the latest and greatest into a release.
> Debian was the second to get a glibc2 out (only beaten by RedHat) and
> will probably be the last to release a distro with a 2.2 kernel as
> default (the alpha slink release was the first with glibc2.1, but the
> i386 version will lag behind the others).  While it is good that Debian
> takes its time to 'get it right' having a commerical product based on
> Debian could put some pressure on the distro for 'more timely releases'
> or worse, a commerical release of an 'unstable' branch might occurr to
> 'keep up with the Jones'.
> 


-- 
E Pluribus Unix

Re: Fonts is X and Linux

[Tommy Malloy]

"Person, Roderick" wrote:
> 
> What window manager are you using? Most have a configuration util that
> allows you to set different fonts. I use WindowMaker and I can set fonts
> either with WMPrefs or wmakerconf.
> 


I switch my window mangers every now and then  but mostly use fvwm2
(olvm olvwm) or icewm. ( I use that now) And I should correct myself
because I do know how make some font changes to X.  but those are
usually changes to the application boxes and not the applications
themselves. 
What I want to learn to do is to make global font changes at the
application level.  Suppose the default font on most applications is
difficult to see. So you want to change it to one that is easier.  There
should be a way to do that for all applications you use, rather than
editing the config file for each one.  xfontsel sounds like it should be
able to do that, at least for the current desktop. I just can't figure
out how?

Re: debian-user-digest Digest V99 #721

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

> unsubscribe

clue

:)

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Re: building pcmcia modules for 2.2.6

[Richard E. Hawkins Esq.]

Peter proposed,
 
> Hello Richard,
> 
> I've got the same problem here on my slink notebook, but I think you're a
> little ahead of me. Could you please tell me what pcmcia-packages I need
> from potato to have the modules compiled and packaged by make-kpkg?

> On my notebook there was a little bug in the pcmcia's Configure script
> that doesn't mention the 2.2.x kernels. But it fails to compile some
> references in the kernel source tree.

I just got the pcmcia-source from potato.  I also got the package, but 
i'm compiling on a desktop, so it doesn't seem to be important

rick

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Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?

[dlr]

When I was installing debian, I made two test partitions on my 12.9GB
IBM "ultra-ATA" drive.  One partition was 300MB from cylinder 6144 to
cylinder 6744, the other was 300MB at the very end of the disk, around
cylinder 25000.  I used the bad block scan on my debian install cd to
check each partition, and timed the whole procedure.  Things took
about twice as long for the partition at cylinder ~25000 as they did
for the partition at cylinder 6144.

I don't know enough to draw conclusions from this, but I did put my
swap partition as near as possible to the "beginning" of my drive.  :)
David LaRose
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Richard Harran wrote:
> Would I see a performance increase if I made sure my linux partition
> was on the outside of my disk?

Ed wrote:
> Or better yet, some numbers from formal or informal experiments in
> drive partition performance?  

Marsh Ray wrote:
> Yes, I'd like to see this too.  Wouldn't be hard to do, but I don't
> have a spare drive at the moment. 

RE: Fonts is X and Linux

[Person, Roderick]

What window manager are you using? Most have a configuration util that
allows you to set different fonts. I use WindowMaker and I can set fonts
either with WMPrefs or wmakerconf.

> -Original Message-
> From: Tommy Malloy [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 11:35 AM
> To:   debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:  Fonts is X and Linux
> 
> What is the best information source to learn about the use of fonts in
> Linux and X?  To be perfectly honest I have no idea how to use the many
> fonts that are available to me under X.  I have xfontsel installed and
> have looked at it, but I am not sure how to use it to change default
> screen fonts and stuff like that.  Changing fonts should be fairly
> simple, and probably is, but it does not seem that intuative. Could
> someone point me in the right direction.  Thank you.
> 
> 
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Re: samba/network neighborhood question

[William Schwartz]

The "network neighborhood" functionality in Windows can lag behind for up to
15 minutes. Its becuase of the way "browsing" is handled in Windows... So,
it is normal for a machine to not show up immediately.

There are more technical explinations for this (refering to master browsers
and such windows fun) but I wont go there. =)

Let me know if you wanted more information.

will


- Original Message -
From: Ben Frame <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 11:25 AM
Subject: samba/network neighborhood question


> I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine.  But it
> doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95.  Both the
> Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in
> a workgroup called "linux."   I've made several changes to my smb.conf
> file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times.
> Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it
> doesn't.  Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately.
>
> So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network
> Neighborhood?
>
> I can see the Debian machine if I do a search for it with Win95
> (start/find/computer/name).  And for now I've just placed a shortcut to
> it on my desktop to keep from having to search every time.
>
> If anyone can shed any light, I would certainly appreciate it.
>
> Ben Frame
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
>
>
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>
>
>

Fonts is X and Linux

[Tommy Malloy]

What is the best information source to learn about the use of fonts in
Linux and X?  To be perfectly honest I have no idea how to use the many
fonts that are available to me under X.  I have xfontsel installed and
have looked at it, but I am not sure how to use it to change default
screen fonts and stuff like that.  Changing fonts should be fairly
simple, and probably is, but it does not seem that intuative. Could
someone point me in the right direction.  Thank you.

samba/network neighborhood question

[Ben Frame]

I just got Samba installed and it seems to be working fine.  But it
doesn't always show up in my Network Neighborhood under Win95.  Both the
Debian machine and Win95 machine are on the same subnet and both are in
a workgroup called "linux."   I've made several changes to my smb.conf
file, and consequently restarted the debian machine a few times.
Sometimes it shows up in Network Neighborhood, and sometimes it
doesn't.  Sometimes it will show up later, but not immediately.

So my question is, what makes it show up (or not) in Network
Neighborhood?

I can see the Debian machine if I do a search for it with Win95
(start/find/computer/name).  And for now I've just placed a shortcut to
it on my desktop to keep from having to search every time.

If anyone can shed any light, I would certainly appreciate it.

Ben Frame
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Linux nis and shadow passwords, non Linux clients

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Jens B. Jorgensen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Hmmm, perhaps you'll have to generate your own intermediate passwd file to
>generate the NIS maps.

Ah yes, a possibility is to include the password in /etc/password, and
then filter that out again for shadow-capable hosts using /etc/ypserv.conf

> However, I would perhaps reconsider using shadow. Unless
>you're only serving up some (not root, etc.) passwords from NIS and have set up
>NIS to work this way there's no benefit to running shadow locally since NIS is
>100% insecure (ie. it'll give up password entries to anyone on your network who
>asks).

Not true. If set up correctly, it will only serve shadow maps to requests
originating from secure ports (eg < 1023), which means a root process.
Ofcourse that means you do have to trust all root users on your network.

But turning off shadow is certainly the easiest solution (shadowconfig off).
You can still have shadow-like security using /etc/ypserv.conf, a
feature unique to to the Linux NIS server.

Mike.
-- 
Indifference will certainly be the downfall of mankind, but who cares?

Re: 2940U2W drivers in slink?

[Graham Ashton]

On Thursday 22 April, Gary L. Hennigan wrote:

> Graham Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> | Just a quickie - can anybody verify that the slink boot floppies contain
> | drivers for the adaptec 2940U2W scsi card? 
>
> It might, but you'd be better off getting a copy of the boot disks
> with a more current version of the aic7xxx drivers. You can pick them
> up at:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/~adric/aic7xxx

superb. thanks a lot (super speedy response too).

-- 
Graham

Re: Linux nis and shadow passwords, non Linux clients

[Jens B. Jorgensen]

Hmmm, perhaps you'll have to generate your own intermediate passwd file to
generate the NIS maps. However, I would perhaps reconsider using shadow. Unless
you're only serving up some (not root, etc.) passwords from NIS and have set up
NIS to work this way there's no benefit to running shadow locally since NIS is
100% insecure (ie. it'll give up password entries to anyone on your network who
asks).

Nils Rennebarth wrote:

> Again following up on my own posts, sigh:
>
> On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 03:22:58PM +0200, Nils Rennebarth wrote:
> > Next problem: The net nis master runs slink. A slink client works after
> > shadow has been configured and + added to /etc/shadow.
> > A client runs partly potato, and does not work, i.e. it won't accept nis
> > passwords. NIS itself appears to work, i.e. I can see the right owners of
> > directories, the homedirs are right, etc. Any known incompatibilities
> > between glibc2.1 and shadow nis?
> Hrmm, deinstalling nis and installing it again worked. This is getting
> Windows like, except that reboots are not necessary.
>
> What should I do however for clients that do not have shadow passwords? Is
> there a way to give them a "made up" password file with entries from real
> passwd and shadow mixed? (security reasons aside)
>
> Nils
>
> --
> Plug-and-Play is really nice, unfortunately it only works 50% of the time.
> To be specific the "Plug" almost always works.--unknown source
>
>   
>Part 1.2Type: application/pgp-signature

--
Jens B. Jorgensen
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Re: Strange emacs from SunOS

[Carl Mummert]

> > which has double the size it should have. If I type a character, I get
> 
> A correction: The window is only twice as wide as it should be. The
> height of the window seems to be ok.

One possibility is that emacs on the Linux box is defaulting to some font 
that is as you describe.  I have seen a font like that, it used to
be the default in some x terminal emulator (not xterm, some other one).

Try telling emacs explicitly which font to use.


Carl

Re: unsubscribing

[Kirk Hogenson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> |> Can someone please tell me how to get removed from this mailing
> |> list.  NOTE: Before you let the flames fly realize that I have
> |> tried all of the suggested ways to get removed, i.e.  mail -s
> |> unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> |> [...]
>
> I tried to unsubscribe while I was away from home for 3 weeks and had
> the same kind of problems. The automated response I got (several
> times) said that I couldn't be removed from the list because I wasn't
> a member. I didn't join from the web-site though. I suspect that this
> must have to do with how exim rewrites the headers on outgoing mail
> from this account, but it seems like there should be a way for the
> list-management software to handle this kind of situation.

The problem the other guy was having (I think) was that the was
actually subscribed to "debian-user-digest", rather than "debian-user".
You need to unsubscribe from that list by sending your unsubscription
request to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".
^^

So, you really weren't a member of "debian-user" -- you were a
member of "debian-user-digest".

Probably the digests should have their own unsubscription footer.
(Maybe there is?)  I would hope that the debian-user "how to
unsubscribe" footer isn't included in the digests... that would
be confusing.

Kirk

Re: uppgrading packages to unstable versions

[Bob Nielsen]

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 11:59:40AM +, Ulrik Haugen wrote:
> * Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > unstable is now based on a new glibc.  So if you want to migrate to it, tell
> > dselect (or apt) to update based on the unstable directory and download the 
> > 40
> > - 80 some megs of updated packages.
> 
> I'm afraid I choose a rather misleading subject, I'm not sure I want to
> upgrade to the unstable version of everything, I only intended to upgrade the
> packages required to run 2.2.x kernels.
> 
> Whenever I select Install in dselect it sayes a lot of packages will be
> removed and asks if I understand that it's bad...
> 
> How do I unmark all packages marked for uninstallation?

I would recommend the following:

1. Use 'apt-get install' to install the needed packages plus any
dependencies.

2. Remove the unstable lines from /etc/apt/sources.list and re-run
update. 

Bob

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Re: Where is telnet, ftp?

[Bob Nielsen]

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 02:54:51PM +0530, XRDLAB wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I upgraded my hamm system (Debian 2.0) to slink (Debian 2.1) using the
> cd's from Linux Central. Everything went well. I am having some problems 
> with the system after upgrading which seem strange.
> 
> 1. After upgrading, I cannot find the program telnet. Previously it was
>in netstd, but the contents of netstd package do not show telnet
>(found using dpkg -L netstd). Which package has this program?
>I am also not able telnet in to the system. But rlogin works bothways. 

Install the telnet and telnetd packages (this is covered in the
documentation).
 

> 2. Previously I had installed wu-ftpd and ftp services were enabled,
>even anonymous ftp was posible. After upgrading, all the ftp services
>have been disabled. If I try to ftp to the machine, I get a message
>"ftp: connect: connection refused". What should I do to get wu-ftpd-academ 
>to allow ftp services including anonymous ftp?

Edit /etc/inetd.conf to remove the # at the beginning of the line
pointing to /usr/sbin/ftpd.  I don't recall seeing this in the
documentation. 

Bob

Re: Strange emacs from SunOS

[Debian Mail]

> which has double the size it should have. If I type a character, I get

A correction: The window is only twice as wide as it should be. The
height of the window seems to be ok.

Stef

Re: 2940U2W drivers in slink?

[Gary L. Hennigan]

Graham Ashton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
| Just a quickie - can anybody verify that the slink boot floppies contain
| drivers for the adaptec 2940U2W scsi card? I don't want to go out and
| buy 6 boxes that I can't install debian on!
| 
| I've been reading on dejanews that you need the 2.2 kernel to get a
| recent driver for the U2W...

It might, but you'd be better off getting a copy of the boot disks
with a more current version of the aic7xxx drivers. You can pick them
up at:

http://www.debian.org/~adric/aic7xxx

Gary

unsubscribing

[mcclosk]

|> Can someone please tell me how to get removed from this mailing
|> list.  NOTE: Before you let the flames fly realize that I have
|> tried all of the suggested ways to get removed, i.e.  mail -s
|> unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've also tried
|> sending unsubscribe commands such as: unsubscribe
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED] and unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED]
|> without success. I am pretty sure that the problem is that when I
|> joined the list, I did so from the debian website, using the
|> address [EMAIL PROTECTED], but every email I send gets
|> [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the from address. I've also tried
|> sending email to the list maintainer.

I tried to unsubscribe while I was away from home for 3 weeks and had
the same kind of problems. The automated response I got (several
times) said that I couldn't be removed from the list because I wasn't
a member. I didn't join from the web-site though. I suspect that this
must have to do with how exim rewrites the headers on outgoing mail
from this account, but it seems like there should be a way for the
list-management software to handle this kind of situation.

Jim

configuración de redes

[loles_navas]

Me gustaría obtener ayuda sobre:
¿Cómo puedo instalar una red con linux?

Lo necesito urgentemente

Gracias

Upgrading

[Stefan Kleijkers]

Hello,

How easy is it to upgrade a Debian distribution? With RedHat it's very easy,
you can buy/download a new version and chose UPGRADE in the installationmenu.
Does Debian have something like that too?

--
Stefan Kleijkers
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Strange emacs from SunOS

[Debian Mail]

> Just out of curiosity, when you log in directly from the linux box, what
> is the value of your TERM variable. What is this when you log in from the
> IRIX box?

It is vt100 from the linux box and xterm from the IRIX. However, if I
setenv TERM xterm in the shell on my linux box, I still get the same
strange behaviour.

Stef

Re: I'm not giving up: backpack CD-ROM drive.

[Fabio Olive leite]

Ola!

] 2) Use a null modem cable to connect to a desktop and piggy back ride on
] that systems CD-ROM. 
] Q: I don't know if the Linux base system supports null modem connections.

It does since a long time ago, as I installed myself my first debian
system on an old notebook with no cdrom or any pcmcia cards (like net and
modem). My only choice was to use a null modem cable to set up a PPP
connection between my desktop (which used redhat at the time) and NFS
export the /cdrom directory. The install took over 12 hours, but it
worked. And it has survived upgrades from debian 1.2 to 1.3, to 2.0 and
2.1.

Try it out and mail me if necessary. I'm not on the list anymore (too much
traffic).

Fabio
( Fábio Olivé Leite[EMAIL PROTECTED] )
(  NEW -*- http://descartes.ucpel.tche.br/~olive -*- NEW  )
( Linux - Distributed Systems - Fault Tolerance - Security - /etc )
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Boa error...

[Curt Howland]

Good morning Debianites!  :^>

I pulled down the latest version of Boa, and am having
an interesting trouble: The force-reloads in the
cron maintenance jobs aren't working. The daemon won't
die, even with a "kill". It requires a "kill -9".

The error message in the /var/log/boa/error_log is

[22/Apr/1999:13:25:38 GMT] bind: Address already in use

After finally killing it and restarting, the follow
is added (for argument and version information)

[22/Apr/1999:13:39:14 GMT] boa: server version Boa/0.93.15
[22/Apr/1999:13:39:14 GMT] boa: server built Dec 12 1998 at 12:26:25.
[22/Apr/1999:13:39:14 GMT] boa: starting server pid=2755, port 80

The server then runs just fine until the next mornings
force-reload, when it hangs again and will not die.

Any ideas? Reply by direct email as well, please.

Curt-

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Re: CR-563b -Reply

[John Zaitz]

I too have an old PB, the 4x CD-ROM was giving me the same problems when I used 
either CheapBytes Cds or ones I burnt at work. I replaced the CD with a 24x and 
everything went fine afterwards.

 

>>>  04/21/99 10:38pm >>>
On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 09:48:40PM -0500, Stephen Pitts wrote:
[...]
> and burned a cd image of Slink with my CD-R. 
[...]
> The problem is that the PB's CD-ROM fails intermittently. I randomly get
> errors extracting the base system. Of the 5 times I've tried to install,
> several times I've gotten further than the base system, only to have dselect
> crap out with kernel i/o timeouts. FreeBSD exhibits similar behaviors when
> it is extracting its 'bin dist' files.
Some older CD-ROM drives tend to have problems with homeburnt cdroms (and
CD-RW media even more so), due to the color of the media.  These are the
classical symptoms.  You're probably best off using a different cdrom drive
to install from (I'd just take out that 24x for a bit).  Check the drive
using a CD off a conventional press.

 -=- James Mastros
-- 
"My friend Data: You see the world with the wonder of a child, and that
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2940U2W drivers in slink?

[Graham Ashton]

Just a quickie - can anybody verify that the slink boot floppies contain
drivers for the adaptec 2940U2W scsi card? I don't want to go out and
buy 6 boxes that I can't install debian on!

I've been reading on dejanews that you need the 2.2 kernel to get a
recent driver for the U2W...

Thanks.

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While installing on an sparc stn2 Data Access Execption

[Per-Olof Widstrom]

Hi!

 I´m trying to install Debian slink on an Sparc Station 2,
all I get in return is a Data Access Error, why?

I try to boot from the cd, that work.
I get the SILO prompt and I press enter and it loads linux ( I have
also tried linux-2.2 )
After that it says "Loading initial ramdisk", it takes a while, and the
computer tell me there has been a "Data Access Execption".

I don´t know why.
I made the CD myself from an official cdimage. My first thougt was that I
had failed to write a CD. I tried it on an other SUN sation 2, and it
worked, but I am not alowed to install on that one.
I have also tried to install it on a third, but that failed with the
same error as above. 
It worked on 1/3. 

We also have a Red Hat CD, and that one worked just fine, but I don't want
RedHat, I want debian. 
 
 Can someone help me?
 Or tell me to look at some docs, where they are in that case, plase.


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Re: Linux nis and shadow passwords, non Linux clients

[Nils Rennebarth]

Again following up on my own posts, sigh:

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 03:22:58PM +0200, Nils Rennebarth wrote:
> Next problem: The net nis master runs slink. A slink client works after
> shadow has been configured and + added to /etc/shadow.
> A client runs partly potato, and does not work, i.e. it won't accept nis
> passwords. NIS itself appears to work, i.e. I can see the right owners of
> directories, the homedirs are right, etc. Any known incompatibilities
> between glibc2.1 and shadow nis?
Hrmm, deinstalling nis and installing it again worked. This is getting
Windows like, except that reboots are not necessary.

What should I do however for clients that do not have shadow passwords? Is
there a way to give them a "made up" password file with entries from real
passwd and shadow mixed? (security reasons aside)

Nils

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NFS problem after moving from hamm to slink

[Ken McCord]

Having a problem with root mounted NFS file systems on my PC's acting as X
terminals.  Everything has been working fine with hamm, but as soon as I
upgrade to the nfs-server (and net-base) in slink (either by a full install
of slink, or just upgrading the nfs-server), I'm getting all sorts of
'Permission Denied' and 'Operation Not Permitted' errors on boot from the X
terminals.  Does anyone have any ideas why this may be happening??

Here's some information, if you need more, please let me know.

A small snippet from the X terminal display during boot:
Root-NFS: Got BOOTP answer from 192.168.254.240, my address is
192.168.254.241
Root-NFS: Got file handle for /tftpboot/192.168.254.241 via RPC
VFS: Mounted root (nfs filesystem)
.
192.168.254.240: /tftpboot/192.168.254.241: NFS file system
.
/etc/init.d/rcS: /etc/mtab: Permission denied
more Permission denied and Operation not permitted follow...
logon prompt appears, but cannot log in.


# /etc/bootptab
#
global.pref:
sm=255.255.255.0:\
ds=192.168.254.1:\
gw=192.168.254.1:\
ht=ethernet

alpha:\
hd=/tftpboot/192.168.254.241:\
tc=global.pref:\
ha=004005125c3b:\
ip=192.168.254.241:\
bf=vmlinuz


#/etc/inetd.conf snippet
tftpdgramudpwait   nobody /usr/sbin/tcpd/usr/sbin/in.tftpd
/tftpboot
bootps  dgramudpwait   root   /usr/sbin/bootpd  bootpd -i -t 120


# /etc/exports (on 192.168.254.241)
/tftpboot/192.168.254.241(rw,no_root_squash)


# /tftpboot/192.168.254.241/etc/fstab
192.168.254.240:/tftpboot/192.168.254.241/nfs defaults1
1
proc /procprocdefaults1
1


Thanks for your help!

Ken McCord

installing slink via www proxy

[Matus fantomas Uhlar]

HEllo,

is it possible, after installing base slink to use some method which
supports www proxy ?

I tried apt as the only method but it does not.

it also does not ask what do I want to install (as http and ftp methods do)
so I can not choose http and continue installint using http method using
proxy...

i tried to install some .debs needed to install dpkg-http manually but it
crashed then and perl couldn't find some files which were on the disk.
What's the problem ?

i started to reinstall, unmarked every package which wasn't very important,
installed dpkg-http via apt and continued via http...now it works.

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Re: RedHat need not apply

[Tony Crawford]

Kenneth Scharf wrote (on 22 Apr 99, at 5:07):

> While it is good that Debian
> takes its time to 'get it right' having a commerical product based on
> Debian could put some pressure on the distro for 'more timely releases'
> or worse, a commerical release of an 'unstable' branch might occurr to
> 'keep up with the Jones'.

Which would bring the Linux league one step closer to the corporate 
league. The next subsequent step being that the bugs left in the 
release would be denied (or renamed "issues") in the marketing 
literature. 

Tony


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Re: uppgrading packages to unstable versions

[ktb]

ktb wrote:
> 
> Ulrik Haugen wrote:
> >
> > * Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > > unstable is now based on a new glibc.  So if you want to migrate to it, 
> > > tell
> > > dselect (or apt) to update based on the unstable directory and download 
> > > the 40
> > > - 80 some megs of updated packages.
> >
> > I'm afraid I choose a rather misleading subject, I'm not sure I want to
> > upgrade to the unstable version of everything, I only intended to upgrade 
> > the
> > packages required to run 2.2.x kernels.
> >
> > Whenever I select Install in dselect it sayes a lot of packages will be
> > removed and asks if I understand that it's bad...
> >
> > How do I unmark all packages marked for uninstallation?
> >
> > Thanks in advance.
> 
> Most everything works on my Slink system with 2.2.x.  I didn't upgrade
> any packages.  If you want to run 2.2.x with Slink just install the
> kernel and see if anything breaks.  The only problems I have seen so far
> with 2.2.1 and 2.2.5 the "eject" button doesn't work properly with the
> Workman program and in 2.2.5 I lost the program xosview.  If I'm wrong
> about this I'm sure someone on the list will correct me.

Another thing you can do is set lilo up so you can boot more than one
kernel then you can fall back on your current kernel, if need be.
hth,
kent

Linux nis and shadow passwords, non Linux clients

[Nils Rennebarth]

I recently switched our nis master server from AIX to linux.
There are still a number of AIX hosts that should be run as nis clients or
nis slaves.

How do non shadow password clients get the password entries?
How do I make it on AIX which doesn't have shadow passwords but a 
similar mechanism using /etc/security/passwd with a syntax linke this:

root:
password = mYfasd/89ßsx # this is not the right one of course
lastupdate = 829567557
flag =

nextuser:

Next problem: The net nis master runs slink. A slink client works after
shadow has been configured and + added to /etc/shadow.
A client runs partly potato, and does not work, i.e. it won't accept nis
passwords. NIS itself appears to work, i.e. I can see the right owners of
directories, the homedirs are right, etc. Any known incompatibilities
between glibc2.1 and shadow nis?


Nils

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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V99 #723

[Kirk Hogenson]

David J. Fasching wrote:
> 
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> NOTE: Before you let the flames fly realize that I have tried all of 
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The subject of your message suggests that perhaps you aren't
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Try sending your unsubscription requests (which look fine to me)
to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]".

Good luck,

Kirk

Re: The case of the missing 64 meg...

[Rick Macdonald]

On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, Vincent Murphy wrote:

> On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 12:31:39AM -0400, Will Lowe wrote:
> > ..  Simplest thing to do is put:
> > 
> > append="mem=128m"
> > 
> > in your lilo.conf file.  For my 96 meg machine, I've got a stanza that
> > reads: 
> 
>  what if i don't use lilo and i want to boot from a floppy?  any way of
> makeing 2.0.x recognise >68MB RAM?

In fact, the original poster of this question has this situation and needs
to know how to add the mem parameter when booting from a floopy. The
floopy doesn't have the entire kernel; the floppy is read briefly and then
the kernel is loaded from the harddrive.

...RickM...

Re: question

[John Hasler]

Aseem Agarwal writes:
> Am not able to connect to my ISP (GTE) using "pppconfig". The connect
> script fails. I get an error in "plog" " tcgetattr failed connect script
> failed" Have tried several combinations, but none seems to work, any
> advice/ suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Please send copies of /etc/chatscripts/provider, /etc/ppp/peers/provider,
and the output of plog.  Edit passwords, of course.  Do you know for sure
that you have the right serial port selected?
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Re: uppgrading packages to unstable versions

[ktb]

Ulrik Haugen wrote:
> 
> * Shaleh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > unstable is now based on a new glibc.  So if you want to migrate to it, tell
> > dselect (or apt) to update based on the unstable directory and download the 
> > 40
> > - 80 some megs of updated packages.
> 
> I'm afraid I choose a rather misleading subject, I'm not sure I want to
> upgrade to the unstable version of everything, I only intended to upgrade the
> packages required to run 2.2.x kernels.
> 
> Whenever I select Install in dselect it sayes a lot of packages will be
> removed and asks if I understand that it's bad...
> 
> How do I unmark all packages marked for uninstallation?
> 
> Thanks in advance.

Most everything works on my Slink system with 2.2.x.  I didn't upgrade
any packages.  If you want to run 2.2.x with Slink just install the
kernel and see if anything breaks.  The only problems I have seen so far
with 2.2.1 and 2.2.5 the "eject" button doesn't work properly with the
Workman program and in 2.2.5 I lost the program xosview.  If I'm wrong
about this I'm sure someone on the list will correct me.
hth,
kent

Re: Disk geommetry, was Re: Kernel Upgrade: Why?

[Marsh Ray]

On Wed, Apr 21, 1999 at 03:56:31PM -0700, debian-user list wrote:
> The HOWTO, and the person responding to the Mindcraft survey, both assert 
> that the part of the disk furthest from the spindle is the fastest, and that 
> one can use this to optimise performance.  While I don't doubt the first part 
> of the statement, I was under the impression that once you hit a drive's 
> onboard logic, geometry is pretty much up for grabs these days, and 
> attempting to put something on the "outer edge" of the disk is an excerise in 
> self-delusion.  The HOWTO is dated 1997, and the information therein may be 
> older.  Does anyone out there have some knowledge of current hard drive 
> manufacturing?  

It's true that you can't gather much from the sector and head numbers on
a modern drive, but I think common drives can be expected to access mostly
sequentially across the cylinders.  I've always heard that the lower-numbered
cylinders were on the outer tracks.  How many filesystems start packing
data in at the beginning?  Would a drive manufacturer want to optimize or
decrease performance in that situation?


> Or better yet, some numbers from formal or informal experiments in drive 
> partition performance? 
Yes, I'd like to see this too.  Wouldn't be hard to do, but I don't have a 
spare drive at the moment.

- Marsh

Re: SSH 2

[J.H.M. Dassen]

On Thu, Apr 22, 1999 at 21:00:35 +1000, Jiri Baum wrote:
> where can I find ssh 2, please?

ftp://ftp.cs.hut.fi/pub/ssh/

It's license is more restrictive than SSH1's; noone has so far volunteered
to package it.

Unlike SSH1's protocol, SSH2's can be implemented in free software. If you
are interested in helping develop the free SSH, join the psst.. list
(http://www.net.lut.ac.uk/psst/).

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Re: The case of the missing 64 meg...

[Sebastian Canagaratna]

We also shouldn't forget, after adding to lilo.conf append='mem=128M'
to run lilo.

Sebastian Canagaratna,
Department of Chemistry
Ohio Northern University
Ada, OH 45810 
> *- On 22 Apr, Arcady Genkin wrote about "Re: The case of the missing 64 
> meg..."
> > Dan Willard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > 
> >>  Linux won't recognize memory above 64 megs by itself.  You need to add
> >> 'mem=128m' in your lilo.conf file. (or rather append = 'mem=128m'). Check
> >> out the lilo.conf man page for better details,  I can't remember the exact
> >> syntax at the moment.
> > 
> > Just want to add that another option would be to switch to a 2.2.x
> > kernel - they automatically recongize memory >64.
> > 
> 
> So they say.  I have a AOpen AX6B MB with the latest bios and I am
> running 2.2.5 and I still have to add the mem= line to get my full 128M
> recognized.
>   
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subdivise potato and slink in two mailing lists

[Khalid EZZARAOUI]

hello

as you see it there is (to me) too much mail in this mailing list.

Do you know if it possible to subdivide it in two :
a potato
and a slink list.

I don't know if this is usefull but ... -)

bye