date:20000322

i was a user of slackware as well, i chose debian because:

1) friend reccomended it
2) it had the largest(and still does i think) number of developers
3) it is known as being top quality
4) it has a huge number of packages

since then i have just adapted to it, not sure technically what places it
above the others other then just overall better control, as in they spend
more time comming out with releases making sure it works really well. and
apt is pretty cool too i didnt touch apt till almost 2 years after i
installed debian though.

in the end it really comes down to personal preference, and the situation
(if your using commercial software that will only support you if you run
redhat..then maybe its best to use redhat ..stuff like that)

nate

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Bart Friederichs wrote:

plant >Hi,
plant >
plant >Can anybody tell me why Debian is better than other distributions? And 
don't
plant >give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version' crap. I want 
real
plant >technical benefits. Or is it all a matter of flavor? I have been using
plant >Slackware for one or two years now and I also liked that one. Switching 
to
plant >Debian was necessary because the store didn't sell slack.
plant >
plant >Bart
plant >
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Re: Debian

2000-03-22 Thread t.bedlam

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 12:06:43PM -0800, Bart Friederichs was only 
   escaped alone to tell thee:

> Can anybody tell me why Debian is better than other distributions? And don't
> give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version' crap. I want real
> technical benefits. Or is it all a matter of flavor? I have been using
> Slackware for one or two years now and I also liked that one. Switching to
> Debian was necessary because the store didn't sell slack.

Then it wasn't really necessary, was it? Only convenient.

One reason: have you seen the X directory structures under Red Hat? Ugh...
it is a nightmare. And then ln -s is put to liberal use so you are hopelessly
confused If Unix is hard, why make Linux harder??

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Re: Bug#60891: xdm: Installs default tty7 line in Xservers -- break s system

2000-03-22 Thread Mark Montague

Sven LUTHER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Just a stupid clueless idea, but what if we start the xserver from the
> inittab, or at least have some line in the inittab saying that the
> Xserver/gdm/whatever will use the vtxx, in the same way that init starts
> getty's on his specific vt's ?

This is what HPUX does, for what that's worth. It seems to work OK. 

> BTW, should we have a runlevel with X and a runlevel without X ? or do we
> already have such a thing ?

Again on HPUX, this is runlevel 4; runlevels 2,3 are multiuser but
don't start vue (HP's xdm/kde/... equiv).

It doesn't look like Debian distinguishes between 2,3,4,5, at least on
my woody-with-filerc-i386 system.

I mostly agree with Branden that having xdm and friends fiddle with
important system config files is not so good, I just thought I'd point
out that the init/runlevel thing does work on some unixen.

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/etc/rc?.d directories missing on potato install

2000-03-22 Thread Jameson Burt

Last week I installed potato on a new computer.
Before the first reboot, I selected one of the category of packages.
After the first reboot, install let me select more packages, but exited 
prematurely.  One possible reason would be that /var was limited to the
size of /, 128MB, so apt-get may have crashed trying to pull down 700MB
into 128MB of space [I had 10GB of space on /usr/local, which I later 
linked /var/cache into].

I reinstalled sysvinit to get the /etc/rc?.d directories;
however, reinstalling other packages like "apache" are not
creating the links from /etc/rc?.d into /etc/init.d .
I could make the links myself, but they have a certain number sequence,
so I had best let the Debian installation create this links.

Does anyone have an idea how to get proper links back into /etc/rc?.d

Thank you, 
Jameson Burt

Re: Debian

2000-03-22 Thread Robert L. Harris



I'ts mostly a matter of personal preference.

it's very consistant with SYSV ala SUN for locations, etc.
The package management blows away all the other's I've seen.  Take the
best parts of redhat's rpm.  make conflict resolution alot smarter
and robust, and then add the ability to get updates, dependancies, etc
from the web autiomatically.

Debian's push for quality also helps make the boxes alot more
stable.

Robert


Thus spake Bart Friederichs ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> Hi,
> 
> Can anybody tell me why Debian is better than other distributions? And don't
> give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version' crap. I want real
> technical benefits. Or is it all a matter of flavor? I have been using
> Slackware for one or two years now and I also liked that one. Switching to
> Debian was necessary because the store didn't sell slack.
> 
> Bart
> 
> 
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Re: Lying to dpkg?

> I'd go with one of the ways you suggested in passing in your earlier
> post; use Debianized source.
> 
> If you install dpkg-dev and devscripts, it's almost trivial (once you
> know how) to build a package from source; just do the following:

Colin, 

Thanks for the tip. I unfortunately didn't discover the Debianized source files
(oops!) until after my Apache escapade and once I did discover them I didn't
understand exactly what they were. I'll definitely file this for later use.

Phoenix

Re: Lying to dpkg?

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Phoenix Amon wrote:

> As the variety of responses to my question suggest, there's often more
> than one way to skin a cat. :)

Ahh... but the different responses addressed the different options you
posted. I answered to the specific question of how to make dpkg behave 
a certain way.

"There's more than one way to skin a cat, but only half of them are fun."

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Re: Lying to dpkg?

> I learned how to use dpkg from reading the man page. The thing is, you
> did know that for which you were looking, else I wouldn't have been able
> to find the answer. Before you asked, I didn't know how to do it (because
> I never wanted to).

Well, I'll gladly agree to disagree. The last thing I want to do is argue about
it. I read the manuals, I read the books I bought, I search the mailing list
archives, I read the HOWTOs and FAQs and if all else fails, I ask. Perhaps it
is a perfect system and only I am flawed, in which case there need no longer be
upgrades to anything but my simple brain. ;)

As the variety of responses to my question suggest, there's often more than one
way to skin a cat. :) Sometimes the method that makes total sense to one just
doesn't click with another.

Phoenix

Debian

2000-03-22 Thread Bart Friederichs

Hi,

Can anybody tell me why Debian is better than other distributions? And don't
give me the 'it is the only really non-commercial version' crap. I want real
technical benefits. Or is it all a matter of flavor? I have been using
Slackware for one or two years now and I also liked that one. Switching to
Debian was necessary because the store didn't sell slack.

Bart

Re: Mounting the Swap partition

2000-03-22 Thread kmself

Swap doesn't get mounted, see other followups.

To check status:

  cat /proc/swaps


On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:00:40AM -0800, Dzuy M. Nguyen wrote:
> In my /etc/rc.boot script, I find this line:
> 
> swapon -a 2>%1 | sed -e '/busy/d'
> 
> Is this the line that is mounting my swap partition?  Do I need
> this line in the /etc/fstab?
> 
> /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0
> 
> for the rc.boot script to work?  Because if I don't have this line,
> you say my swap partition won't be activated?
> 
> Dzuy Nguyen
> 
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Re: traceroute suid root?

2000-03-22 Thread William T Wilson

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Pollywog wrote:

> Is it just me or does traceroute need to be suid root?

Traceroute needs to be setuid so it can write IP packets directly rather
than using the socket interface.  Without that ability, it could not set
the time-to-live on the packet and thus wouldn't work.

RE: DNS lookups fail

please include a copy of your resolv.conf ..you may have something
mispselled or not right ..

nate

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Guyren G Howe wrote:

guyren >Sorry, that was not quite right. nslookup did eventually return, with:
guyren >
guyren >*** Can't find server name for address ...: No response from server
guyren >
guyren >for all three servers I have in my /etc/resolv.conf file, which are 
working
guyren >fine.
guyren >
guyren >I can ping these same servers just fine, so I don't think it's a routing
guyren >issue.
guyren >
guyren >--
guyren >> From: Guyren G Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
guyren >> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:40:40 -0800
guyren >> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" 
guyren >> Subject: DNS lookups fail
guyren >> 
guyren >> I have somehow managed to get things so that the computers going 
through my
guyren >> Debian 2.2 box for NAT can do DNS just fine, but I can't do a 
nslookup from
guyren >> the same box itself to save myself.
guyren >> 
guyren >> nslookup never returns anything, even a timeout. My /etc/resolv.conf 
file
guyren >> shows the same things I have set on the other computers that work 
fine through
guyren >> my linux box.
guyren >> 
guyren >> What could I have got wrong?
guyren >> 
guyren >> TIA
guyren >
guyren >
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Re: DNS lookups fail

try manually setting a DNS:

run nslookup
enter: server some.server.name (feel free to use mine ns1.firetrail.com or
ns2.firetrail.com)
then enter a domain or ip or something to query the server

if it times out it is more likely a network problem then a resolver
problem.  if it works,  then try your other setup again(again by manually
changing servers using the 'server' command) if it does not work make sure
you can reach the server by using ping or traceroute(or both) hopefully it
is not firewalled so you can diagnose it .

nate


On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Guyren G Howe wrote:

guyren >I have somehow managed to get things so that the computers going 
through my
guyren >Debian 2.2 box for NAT can do DNS just fine, but I can't do a nslookup 
from
guyren >the same box itself to save myself.
guyren >
guyren >nslookup never returns anything, even a timeout. My /etc/resolv.conf 
file
guyren >shows the same things I have set on the other computers that work fine
guyren >through my linux box.
guyren >
guyren >What could I have got wrong?
guyren >
guyren >TIA
guyren >
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traceroute suid root?

2000-03-22 Thread Pollywog

Is it just me or does traceroute need to be suid root?
I was unable to use it as an ordinary user until I set the suid bit.

thanks

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Re: Lying to dpkg?

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Phoenix Amon wrote:

> > 2. RTFM; it's right there.  "man dpkg" (if you've installed man-db).

> Sometimes TFM doesn't give quite enough info if you don't already know
> what you're looking for. In a lot of cases TFM serves you well if you
> know what you're doing and need to jog your memory, but not so well as
> a learning tool.

I learned how to use dpkg from reading the man page. The thing is, you
did know that for which you were looking, else I wouldn't have been able
to find the answer. Before you asked, I didn't know how to do it (because
I never wanted to).

> All I'm saying is that to a newbie, package management as it's
> currently implemented tends to feel restrictive. It would seem that
> those more knowledgable often agree, as the debates about whether to
> make updates to stable fly fast and free.

I think it's just restrictive enough. At the basic level, it prevents
newbies from doing harm to their own systems. However, there exist
directives which will allow you to do whatever you want with it, moving
from being restricted to being given a warning that you could seriously
screw yourself.

Given the proper syntax, dpkg allows you to do things it would not advise,
basically reverting to, "I wouldn't do that if I were you, but it's your
computer. You're on your own, pal."

> Like you said, I could just avoid using it entirely... but I like it.
> It's a big time saver. I'd just like to see it get a bit more
> flexible. Finding ways to work around the system seems to be the topic
> of a lot of posts around here, and it shouldn't have to be.

Lots of easy questions are posted to lists like this because people don't
bother to read the most obvious documentation. That doesn't mean that the
system needs to be changed. Dpkg is flexible, but you need to know how to
use it; the information you need is already on your system.

"UNIX is user-friendly. It's just really selective about who it befriends."

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Re: VPN

i highly reccomend vpnd, search www.freshmeat.net for it, i installed a
vpn in december of last year and it works perfectly.  i can supply sample
config files from my setup if you like.

nate


On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Onno wrote:

Onno >I've been away too long...
Onno >
Onno >Anyway, I have a problem and it involves a
Onno >Virtual Private Network a.k.a. VPN.
Onno >
Onno >I ask anyone who has done this kind of thing
Onno >to please tell me how they did set it up or
Onno >point me in the direction of good documentation.
Onno >
Onno >My first setup will be between two LAN's but
Onno >it has to scale to three LAN's and more...
Onno >
Onno >Any pointers, advice or pitfall warnings are welcome.
Onno >
Onno >Thanks in advance,
Onno >
Onno >Onno
Onno >
Onno >
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Re: Lying to dpkg?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Phoenix Amon) wrote:
>Like you said, I could just avoid using it entirely... but I like it. It's a
>big time saver. I'd just like to see it get a bit more flexible. Finding ways
>to work around the system seems to be the topic of a lot of posts around here,
>and it shouldn't have to be.

I'd go with one of the ways you suggested in passing in your earlier
post; use Debianized source.

If you install dpkg-dev and devscripts, it's almost trivial (once you
know how) to build a package from source; just do the following:

  * apt-get source package-name;
  * change directory into the top-level source directory that will have
been created;
  * modify whatever you want (noting that debian/rules is the
main makefile, which calls ./configure and make, so quite often you
just need to tweak that a little);
  * debuild -m'your name ' (still in the top-level
source directory).

This will spit out a .deb in the parent directory of the top-level
source directory, which you can then proceed to install with 'dpkg -i'.
(You might need to set up gpg first; if you don't it'll probably just
complain a little about not finding it but the .deb should still be OK.)

Almost any time I need to build something from source I do it this way.
You get the bonus that not only does everything go into the standard
Debian locations but also all your dependencies get sorted out cleanly.
Of course, if it's something that was never a Debian package to start
with then you can just build it from upstream source as usual and drop
it into /usr/local, and because nothing will depend on it it shouldn't
cause any problems.

It takes a while to find your way around, but the system *is* actually
flexible enough that working within it is sometimes a lot easier than
trying to work around it.

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HELP: no kbd in xdm-selector!

2000-03-22 Thread Bruno Boettcher

Hello,

i am using woody (yes i know its my fault if somethings break) and after
the last upgrade, the keyboard refuses to work. It is as if the keyboard was
deconnected, the leds do not work either. it is a bit annoying, since this
makes login quite difficult. is there already a known workaround for this?

(Logging in from another machine an killing the xdm makes the console
available, where the keyboard works perfectly!)

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Re: Lying to dpkg?

> 1. Use the --ignore-depends flag.
> 2. RTFM; it's right there.  "man dpkg" (if you've installed man-db).

Thanks and I did. I always do. :) Sometimes TFM doesn't give quite enough info
if you don't already know what you're looking for. In a lot of cases TFM serves
you well if you know what you're doing and need to jog your memory, but not so
well as a learning tool.

> Debian is good at alleviating the pain of dependencies. 

That is definitely true. It's very helpful. And I'm not suggesting a direct
comparison, because MS doesn't really even have a parallel to dpkg. All I'm
saying is that to a newbie, package management as it's currently implemented
tends to feel restrictive. It would seem that those more knowledgable often
agree, as the debates about whether to make updates to stable fly fast and
free.

Like you said, I could just avoid using it entirely... but I like it. It's a
big time saver. I'd just like to see it get a bit more flexible. Finding ways
to work around the system seems to be the topic of a lot of posts around here,
and it shouldn't have to be.

Phoenix

Re: Lying to dpkg?

On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, Phoenix Amon wrote:

> Is there anyway I can lie to dpkg to convince it that I really do have
> these packages installed? 

Two things:

1. Use the --ignore-depends flag.

2. RTFM; it's right there.  "man dpkg" (if you've installed man-db).

> Forgive my ignorance... I'd never seen Linux until about a week ago...
> and right now I must say that package management has a real
> heavy-handed big-brotherish feeling to me. Seems like Debian is
> controlling what I install under Linux more than MS ever controlled
> what I installed under Win.

Debian is good at alleviating the pain of dependencies. Having started
working with Linux on early Slackware, I know the horror of manually
configuring everything. Moreover, comparing Debian's package management
system to MS's won't work, because they don't do nearly the same thing.

Most importaqntly, you're under no obligation to use dpkg, as you've
clearly already demonstrated to yourself.

It is ultimately just Linux, after all.

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Kaffe segfaults running anything

2000-03-22 Thread Stuart Ballard

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ /usr/lib/jdk1.1/bin/java Hello
Hello
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ java Hello
Segmentation fault
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ dpkg -l kaffe
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  kaffe  1.0.5e-0.4 A JVM to run Java bytecode
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ dpkg -l jdk1.1
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge
|
Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err:
uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  jdk1.1 1.1.8v1-2  JDK 1.1.x (Java Development Kit) -
Runtime o
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$

Hello.class is the obvious System.out.println("Hello") program; the same
thing happens no matter what class I try to run. I discovered that kaffe
supports a KAFFE_DEBUG environment variable, so I tried the following:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ export KAFFE_DEBUG=gdb
You have new mail in /var/spool/mail/sballard
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/java/classes$ java  
GNU gdb 19990928
Copyright 1998 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
GDB is free software, covered by the GNU General Public License, and you
are
welcome to change it and/or distribute copies of it under certain
conditions.
Type "show copying" to see the conditions.
There is absolutely no warranty for GDB.  Type "show warranty" for
details.
This GDB was configured as "i686-pc-linux-gnu"...
(no debugging symbols found)...
(gdb) run Hello
Starting program: /usr/lib/kaffe/bin/Kaffe Hello
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...
Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
0x401814ea in gc_heap_malloc () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
(gdb) bt
#0  0x401814ea in gc_heap_malloc () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#1  0x4018d1dc in finaliserMan () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#2  0x4018da2c in jmalloc () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#3  0x40184cec in lookupClassEntry () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#4  0x401837f6 in loadStaticClass () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#5  0x401824f1 in initBaseClasses () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#6  0x4018238a in initialiseKaffe () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#7  0x401915e3 in JNI_CreateJavaVM () from /usr/lib/libkaffevm-1.0.5.so
#8  0x804d957 in main ()
#9  0x401e9a42 in __libc_start_main () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) 

Does this mean anything to anyone? Perhaps I'm missing something that
should be a dependency but isn't? Or does this happen to everyone with
Kaffe?

TIA,
Stuart.

Re: Mounting the Swap partition

> In my /etc/rc.boot script, I find this line:
> 
> swapon -a 2>%1 | sed -e '/busy/d'
> 
> Is this the line that is mounting my swap partition?  Do I need
> this line in the /etc/fstab?
> 
> /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0
> 
> for the rc.boot script to work?  Because if I don't have this line,
> you say my swap partition won't be activated?
> 
yes, yes, yes, exactly :-)

btw: i don't know, how it is on debian, but suse works fine, if your
swap-line is just 
/dev/hda2 none swap


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LPD Execv Error (Solution)

2000-03-22 Thread Michael W. Shaffer

This turned out to be a boneheaded mistake on my part. The lesson I
learned was not to execute "chmod 644 lib/*" when staging Linux systems.
Apparently if ld-linux.so is not 'chmod 755', then you will get execv
errors from any process that is not running as root. I don't know why it
works for root and nobody else, but it does. According to strace, the
execve call was returning 'EACCESS'. According to the man page for
execve, this error is returned for a variety of reasons, including the
reason that 'an interpreter specified was not executable'. It goes on to
refer to ld-linux.so as an interpreter for fixing up shared object
references, and after reading that I compared the permissions on my copy
of ld-linux.so vs. the original in my main /lib directory and observed
the problem. Anyway, I'm probably the only person who's ever done this,
but I thought I'd immortalize my blunder in the list archives anyway.


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Re: Mounting the Swap partition

2000-03-22 Thread Dzuy M. Nguyen

In my /etc/rc.boot script, I find this line:

swapon -a 2>%1 | sed -e '/busy/d'

Is this the line that is mounting my swap partition?  Do I need
this line in the /etc/fstab?

/dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0

for the rc.boot script to work?  Because if I don't have this line,
you say my swap partition won't be activated?

Dzuy Nguyen

- Original Message -
From: Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Dzuy M. Nguyen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, March 22, 2000 6:56 AM
Subject: Re: Mounting the Swap partition


> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 06:46:41AM -0800, Dzuy M. Nguyen wrote:
> > I recently checked my '/etc/fstab' and found that my swap drive does not
mount
> > at boot.  When I check with 'df' I do not see it on the printout.
>
> swap does not show up in df listings
>
> > I was wondering if I should ad this command in the '/etc/fstab':
> >
> > /dev/hda2 none swap sw
>
> that does need to be in fstab for swap to be activated, but swap
> partitions are not `mounted' you also need to add a 0 0 to the end of
> that line like this:
>
> /dev/hda2 none swap sw 0 0
>
> > Do you need to mount the swap partition?
>
> not like a filesystem no, but at boot swapon -a is run, which looks in
> /etc/fstab to see what swap partitions you have that should be
> activated, if none are found then swap is not activated and your swap
> partition is unused.
>
> you will not see swap anywhere in the filesystem however, and it is
> not shown in mount or df listings. it is however shown in `free' and `top'
>
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> >
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2 networks

2000-03-22 Thread Evan Moore

currently i have 2 networks, in 2 seperate buildings within 1000m. Both
networks have an internet connection(A T1 and a fractional T1); however, I
have lost the budjet for one of the internet connections. Is there a way
to create a point to point link between the network, that is low cost, and
has no monthly lease charge? Can 2 isdn modems directly dial eachother?

Evan Moore

Lying to dpkg?

I've installed Linux/Apache on my standalone home box so that I can mirror and 
locally test my web sites using dummy network interfaces. I needed PHP, mySQL, 
SSL and Apache to all work together nicely, and I couldn't make that happen 
installing from debs (primarily mysql wouldn't talk to php... I don't even know 
if there's a deb file for OpenSSL). So I ended up installing 5 packages from 
source (apache, openssl, mod_ssl, mysql, and php3) and now they all work 
together like a charm. 

My problem is that now if I want to install anything using dpkg/dselect that 
requires httpd or mysql, I'm prompted to install those packages that I already 
have first. And things that "recommend" httpd keep nagging me forever to 
install apache, which already exists. Is there anyway I can lie to dpkg to 
convince it that I really do have these packages installed? Or would that not 
work anyway because programs would look for it in the wrong location? (/usr/bin 
rather than usr/local/bin or whatever)

Or am I forced to keep installing from source anything that requires something 
else that I installed from source? And if that's what I should do, should I use 
Debianized source or generic source?

Forgive my ignorance... I'd never seen Linux until about a week ago... and 
right now I must say that package management has a real heavy-handed 
big-brotherish feeling to me. Seems like Debian is controlling what I install 
under Linux more than MS ever controlled what I installed under Win.

Thanks
Phoenix

Re: A little bad press about Debian

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Patrick wrote:

> It has to be said that running one distro is easier to manage.  At
> work we have Win NT Server, Red Hat, FreeBSD and a solitary mail
> server running Debian as a result of my evangelising.  The diversity
> is a pain when for example we want to work on the FreeBSD box and
> no-one knows where any files are.

Yes, but is that any more of a pain than running the NT server in tandem?
I mean, it's not as if the FreeBSD boxes run the same operating system as
the Debian and Red Hat systems. Ultimately, it's the similarity between
FreeBSD and Linux that's confusing you, not really the differences.

Of course, I'm the guy who tries to run every OS at home, just for the fun
and experience.

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Re: Star Office

2000-03-22 Thread Peter Wintrich



On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Brendan O'Brien wrote:

> 
> 
> Hey Y'all--
> 
> I was wondering if anyone out there has had the same problem I have with 
> StarCalc.  In my work I routinely do data analysis on hundreds of thousands 
> of data points.  Normally, I use Excel on Win98 to do this but recently I 
> grew frustrated with Windows with all its bugs and crashes and reboots on a 
> daily basis.  I decided to try using Linux based on it's reputation for 
> stability and installed Corel and then subsequently Debian as a separate 
> partition in the same box.  When I try to run one of the standard data 
> analysis routines I use with Excel/Win98 it takes literally seconds to draw a 
> graph.  If I try to do the same thing with StarCalc the cpu grinds away for 
> minutes at nearly 100% usage and eventually the job crashes the system 
> altogether.  Does this sound familiar to anyone?  
> 
> 
> The box is a 400MHz Pentium II, 64MB RAM, 1GB Linux partition
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> 
> Brendan
> 

Its also my experience. StarOffice and especially StarCalc can't reach
the performance and "stability" of M$-Excel.
I have tested StarOffice 5.0 on Kernel 2.2.6 against Excel on NT 4.0.
I'm use gnuplot instead.
- high performnce
- high quality plots
- high stability
but a little bit of trainig for your first positive experience.

have a lucky day
Peter Wintrich

PS: sorry my poor english

Re: s...l...o...w... ppp xfers

2000-03-22 Thread Robert Mognet

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 10:13:34AM -0600, Rick Hayter wrote:
> I'm looking for some troubleshooting help.
> Slink is working like a champ in all aspects but ppp connection speed.
> Actually, I connect at high speeds, but my sustained throughput runs from
> only 200-400 bps!  When first downloading, I get a burst of speed, but in
> seconds all activity seems to stop then another short transfer burst...
> then another pause... etc. (I am using an external modem that works fine in
> windoze98). Am I looking at a buffer overflow or handshake problem? What
> should I do to help diagnose this? Thanks!
> 
> - Rick

Hello,

I have the same situation.  
My current connection is to a modem-pool and once in a while the
throughput is fairly good, but average is around .3K/sec.  I thought
it was something with the way the modems work on their end.

Previously I was connected to the university here (also a modem pool)
and throughput was consistantly 2 - 3 K/sec.  Same modem on my end,
same system. 
Interesting question...
Robert
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Re: funky samba stuff

2000-03-22 Thread Jens B. Jorgensen

Whoa. This sounds like a bug I ran into long ago. I got it when I upgraded to 
potato
but kept my 2.0.X kernel. The problem has to do with a library call samba uses 
to set
gid (just like the log suggests). Does this sound like your situation? I fixed 
it by
modifying the source. The configure script checks for the existence of this 
library
call and uses it if it exists. It did on my potato system but didn't work. I 
fixed it
by munging the source after configure was run. It would have been easier to 
just run
2.2.X but sometimes you just have to go the hard way.

Hamish Moffatt wrote:

> I just upgraded a linux server here from hamm to potato.
> Some funky messages from samba;
>
> smbclient -L reggie -U hamish says
> "tree connect failed: 0" after I enter my password. In the log,
>
> [2000/03/23 00:45:51, 1] smbd/server.c:main(643)
>   smbd version 2.0.6 started.
>   Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998
> [2000/03/23 00:45:51, 1] smbd/files.c:file_init(216)
>   file_init: Information only: requested 1 open files, 246 are available.
> [2000/03/23 00:45:53, 0] lib/util_sec.c:assert_gid(72)
>   Failed to set gid privileges to (-1,1000) now set to (0,0) uid=(0,0)
> [2000/03/23 00:45:53, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic(2456)
>   PANIC: failed to set gid
>
> Any ideas what this means and how I fix it? It's running from inetd.
>
> Hamish
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Re: no merit from using DMA-66?

2000-03-22 Thread Vachirasuk

Hi,

Thanks for your replies. I guess I will let this issue pass by since
there seems to be no real problem. I just hoped that I would get
better score from hd benchmark :-)

Regards,

Vachi

-
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ISE, Osaka University

From: "Stephan Hachinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: no merit from using DMA-66?
Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 20:40:41 +0100

> Hello!
> 
> Don't know, but if it's really a test with caching, it will probably really
> give back higher data rates. Up to now, I always tested my hds with Dr.
> Hardware for DOS ;-) or with some Windoze software, which also could switch
> on or switch off the cache due to user request. But the results with caching
> are not significant anyway in my opinion, because it is important, at what
> speed the drive can read permanently (at least for my applications, I think,
> other people might have other opinions...).
> 
> Kind Regards,
> 
> Stephan Hachinger
>

Re: libXpm.so.4.11

2000-03-22 Thread Tony Crawford

Jose Alberto Lobo wrote (on 22 Mar 00, at 15:04):

> I straightaway copied  libXpm.so.4.11  to my  /usr/X11R6/lib directory, 
> and
> ran ldconfig. My citrix program now runs normally but, alas!, after I logout
> xdm does not let me back in anymore. I can only log in as root, or else, use
> the character console...

I had the same symptom after Corel WP 8 and then some old libs that 
it required. After a long search, the problem turned out to be the 
permissions of /dev/null: the read bits had been disabled and needed 
to be turned back on. 

T.

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How to Find Cause of System Hanging

2000-03-22 Thread Jeff Hill

I recently upgraded by web server to Potato with kernel 2.2.14 patched
for RAID-1 (adding Adaptec 2940U2W and matching SCSI drives) and the
system now hangs momentarily (1-5 minutes) several times a day. It
doesn't crash and it responds to a few basic requests ('ls' for example)
but nothing else (not even 'ls -l') for several minutes. Then, it
proceeds to fill the request. I've looked through the dmesg, system and
kernel logs and have found nothing out of the ordinary. I've tried
kernels from 2.2.10 to 2.2.14 with similar results.

Any suggestions on how to find where the problem is?

Thanks,

Jeff Hill
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s...l...o...w... ppp xfers

2000-03-22 Thread Rick Hayter

I'm looking for some troubleshooting help.
Slink is working like a champ in all aspects but ppp connection speed.
Actually, I connect at high speeds, but my sustained throughput runs from
only 200-400 bps!  When first downloading, I get a burst of speed, but in
seconds all activity seems to stop then another short transfer burst...
then another pause... etc. (I am using an external modem that works fine in
windoze98). Am I looking at a buffer overflow or handshake problem? What
should I do to help diagnose this? Thanks!

- Rick

Re: resetting dselect

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Beavis) wrote:
>hello, i installed a few .deb manually meaning
>
>dpkg -i 
>
>but dselect thinks that are are still unconfigured, which is not true

They aren't just in obsolete/local? If they are, you can safely ignore
them. If dselect thinks they're unconfigured then they probably are
(dselect gets its information from the dpkg database, and installing via
dselect is really not much different from 'dpkg -i'); does 'dpkg
--configure -a' help?

>how do u reset the deselect so that it doesn't pick up the packages as
>existing in the system

Er, if a package has been installed with dpkg than you can't tell
dselect it doesn't exist without doing serious violence to your
packaging system. I don't recommend that at all.

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Re: Environment setting before gdm start

2000-03-22 Thread Ramin Motakef

Joachim Trinkwitz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> "Eric G . Miller"  writes:
> 
> > /etc/profile is for Bash. I don't think gdm cares about that. But, in
> > /etc/gdm/gdm.conf there is this parameter (which I have set to english):
> > 
> > DefaultLocale=english
> 
> Yes, I know (mine is set to german, but this one only set the locales
> for the GNOME applications, not for gdm itself).
> 
> OK, I see, when logged in as root, bash sets the locale, then when I
> restart gdm, gdm gets the locale too.
> 
> But the problem remains: how to set the locale before the login
> process starts gdm initially?
> 
> Thanks anyway,
> joachim
> 
Use PAM:
In /etc/environment:
 MOZILLA_HOME=/usr/local/netscape405/
 MuPAD_ROOT_PATH=/usr/local/MuPAD
 CVSROOT=/usr/local/cvsroot
 XNLSPATH=/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/nls 
 LC_ALL=de_DE
 LANG=de_DE

And modify /etc/pam.d/gdm :
 #%PAM-1.0
 auth required   pam_unix_auth.so
 auth required   pam_env.so<
 account  required   pam_unix_acct.so
 password required   pam_unix_passwd.so shadow
 session  required   pam_unix_session.so

For Bash in /etc/profile:
 set -a
 . /etc/environment
 set +a

Ramin

Re[2]: Environment setting before gdm start

2000-03-22 Thread Eugene Melekhov

Joachim,
JT> But the problem remains: how to set the locale before the login
JT> process starts gdm initially?
Should it be line LC_LANG= in the /etc/environment ?

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Re: Rename files

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Oswald Buddenhagen) wrote:
>> On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:57:14PM +0100, Robert Kasunic wrote:
>> > I'm trying to rename a lot of files. I just want to substitute underlines
>> > with whitespaces. How can I do that?
>> 
>> You might use mmv.
>> 
>> If your files are:  foo_bars
>> then usemmv "*_*" '#1\ #2'   (quotes required)
>
>uh ... i think, that the \ in '#1\ #2' should not be there.
>it's intended to quote the space, but as it is already quoted within "'",
>it will be taken literally.

True, but mmv seems to interpret it itself:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ touch foo_bar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ mmv '*_*' '#1\ #2'
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ ls
foo bar

I'd have left out the \ myself, though, as it's potentially confusing; I
think I'd also have used single quotes ('...') around the first argument
because I wasn't intending to do any interpolation in it, but that's
probably just me.

With mmv you can also avoid some quoting issues by supplying arguments
on standard input:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ touch foo_bar
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ mmv
*_* #1\ #2
[press Ctrl-D]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ~/test]$ ls
foo bar

This way you don't have to quote asterisks, question marks, hashes, and
the like, but you do still have to escape spaces in arguments with
backslashes.

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Real Player 7

2000-03-22 Thread Wouter Hanegraaff

Hi,

I Installed REalplayer 7 using the installer, and after that I was 
unable to start netscape anymore: only bus errors.

So, I removed .netscape, .mime-types and .mailcap from my homedir, and
netscape starts again. However, when I go to a site with real video, It
sais I have no real player installed. When I look into the preferences,
I don't see real player listed anywhere. 

What do I have to do to make this work? Isn't it the work of the
rvplayer installer to add the right mime types and stuff like that?

Wouter...

Re: Environment setting before gdm start

2000-03-22 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz

"Eric G . Miller"  writes:

> /etc/profile is for Bash. I don't think gdm cares about that. But, in
> /etc/gdm/gdm.conf there is this parameter (which I have set to english):
> 
> DefaultLocale=english

Yes, I know (mine is set to german, but this one only set the locales
for the GNOME applications, not for gdm itself).

OK, I see, when logged in as root, bash sets the locale, then when I
restart gdm, gdm gets the locale too.

But the problem remains: how to set the locale before the login
process starts gdm initially?

Thanks anyway,
joachim

Re: Bash, Keys, Potato

2000-03-22 Thread Agustín Martín Domingo

Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> >
> > Did you look at your ~/.inputrc file?
> 
> Yes. I even created a new user with no .inputrc and no $INPUTRC (no
> .bashrc, .bash_profile too). I don't know what kind of stuff could be
> in my files to screw up only letter E. The problem occurs in console and in
> xterm. :-(

I vaguely remember having such problem some time ago, what I do not
remember is the reason for that, only that it was very simple. Did you
modified the /etc/inputrc or the /etc/profile files? Please post them,
as well as ~/.inputrc if present, just to see if more info helps me or
anybody else to remember.

Regards,

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Re: Mounting the Swap partition

2000-03-22 Thread Ethan Benson

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 06:46:41AM -0800, Dzuy M. Nguyen wrote:
> I recently checked my '/etc/fstab' and found that my swap drive does not mount
> at boot.  When I check with 'df' I do not see it on the printout.

swap does not show up in df listings

> I was wondering if I should ad this command in the '/etc/fstab':
> 
> /dev/hda2 none swap sw

that does need to be in fstab for swap to be activated, but swap
partitions are not `mounted' you also need to add a 0 0 to the end of
that line like this:

/dev/hda2   noneswapsw  0 0

> Do you need to mount the swap partition?

not like a filesystem no, but at boot swapon -a is run, which looks in
/etc/fstab to see what swap partitions you have that should be
activated, if none are found then swap is not activated and your swap
partition is unused.

you will not see swap anywhere in the filesystem however, and it is
not shown in mount or df listings. it is however shown in `free' and `top'

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Re: Mounting the Swap partition

> I recently checked my '/etc/fstab' and found that my swap drive does not mount
> at boot.  When I check with 'df' I do not see it on the printout.
> 
you will not see any swap partitions in a df dump - they are no mountable
file systems.

> I was wondering if I should ad this command in the '/etc/fstab':
> 
> /dev/hda2 none swap sw
> 
you have to. i don't know, what the 'sw' at the end of the line is, but it
is basically right.

> Do you need to mount the swap partition?
it is auto-"mounted" by "swapon -a" in one of the boot-scripts.

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Re: Bash, Keys, Potato

2000-03-22 Thread Rodrigo Castro

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:38:58PM +, Stuart Auchterlonie wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:35:04AM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:12:37AM +0100, Martijn van de Streek wrote:
> > > Hi Rodrigo!
> > > 
> > > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> > > 
> > > > get the key displayed. It works as a dead key, waiting for any other
> > > > key. When I do type other key, it beeps and I get no output on
> > > > screen. I reinstalled bash, libncurses5, libc6 and already trying
> > > > changing my keymap, but I wasn't sucessful. I am getting crazy. 
> > > 
> > > Did you look at your ~/.inputrc file?
> > 
> > Yes. I even created a new user with no .inputrc and no $INPUTRC (no
> > .bashrc, .bash_profile too). I don't know what kind of stuff could be
> > in my files to screw up only letter E. The problem occurs in console and in
> > xterm. :-(
> 
> Have you tried a different keyboard 
> 
> It could always be a hardware problem.

It works with ksh and csh, so it is not a keyboard problem.

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I do not fear computers.  I fear the lack of them.
-- Isaac Asimov

Mounting the Swap partition

2000-03-22 Thread Dzuy M. Nguyen

I recently checked my '/etc/fstab' and found that my swap drive does not mount
at boot.  When I check with 'df' I do not see it on the printout.

I was wondering if I should ad this command in the '/etc/fstab':

/dev/hda2 none swap sw

Do you need to mount the swap partition?

 --
Dzuy M. Nguyen

Re: kernel freezes while start-up

> I ran into difficulties with installing Debian. When booting the last
> message I see is:
> md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4 MAX_REAL=8
> 
> [...]
>
> My configuration is the following:
> Celeron 400
> VIa Apollo ProPlus 133
> 2.2.14 Kernel 
> 
> Where can I find a precompiled Kernel or a complete bootdisk which lacks
> this md driver 'feature'?
> 
if that would help: if you send me _exact_ info about the config you need,
i will compile a kernel for you.

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Re: Bash, Keys, Potato

2000-03-22 Thread Stuart Auchterlonie

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 07:35:04AM -0300, Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:12:37AM +0100, Martijn van de Streek wrote:
> > Hi Rodrigo!
> > 
> > On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> > 
> > > get the key displayed. It works as a dead key, waiting for any other
> > > key. When I do type other key, it beeps and I get no output on
> > > screen. I reinstalled bash, libncurses5, libc6 and already trying
> > > changing my keymap, but I wasn't sucessful. I am getting crazy. 
> > 
> > Did you look at your ~/.inputrc file?
> 
> Yes. I even created a new user with no .inputrc and no $INPUTRC (no
> .bashrc, .bash_profile too). I don't know what kind of stuff could be
> in my files to screw up only letter E. The problem occurs in console and in
> xterm. :-(

Have you tried a different keyboard 

It could always be a hardware problem.


Stuart

> 
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> 
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kernel freezes while start-up

2000-03-22 Thread Lorincze, Tamas \(GEL,NonGE,MSX\)


I ran into difficulties with installing Debian. When booting the last
message I see is:
md driver 0.36.6 MAX_MD_DEV=4 MAX_REAL=8

I understand that its not a Debian only issue as I was reading many posts
from users of various distributions who were mainly Athlon users. The only
hint they got was to use a newer kernel which is compatible with Athlon.
Since I have a Celeron I don't think that would help.

My configuration is the following:
Celeron 400
VIa Apollo ProPlus 133
2.2.14 Kernel 

Where can I find a precompiled Kernel or a complete bootdisk which lacks
this md driver 'feature'?

Any help is greatly appreciated.
Regards
-Tamas

UPS setup problems (apcuspd and genpower)

2000-03-22 Thread Thomas R. Shemanske

I recently purchased an APC Back-UPS Pro 650, but have been unable to
get the UPS the daemons to interact with my system.

The system is a Dell Workstation 410
Linux hilbert 2.2.13 #1 SMP Fri Mar 17 13:57:34 EST 2000 i686 unknown
with a current potato configuration via a fresh potato install (gotta
love the new ext2 fs and MD5 passwords!)

The apcupsd is communicating well with the APC unit: 
/etc/apcuspd.status shows:
APC  : Mar 22 09:06:42
CABLE: APC Cable 940-0095A
UPSMODEL : Back-UPS Pro 650
UPSMODE  : Stand Alone
UPSNAME  : UPS_IDEN
ULINE: 119.5 Volts
MLINE: 119.5 Volts
NLINE: 118.8 Volts
FLINE: 60.0 Hz
VOUTP: 119.5 Volts
LOUTP: 049.4 Load Capacity
BOUTP: 13.8 Volts
BCHAR: 100.0 Batt. Charge
TIME : 17.0 Minutes
SENSE: HIGH
WAKEUP   : 000 Cycles
SLEEP: 020 Cycles
LOTRANS  : 106.0 Volts
HITRANS  : 127.0 Volts
CHARGE   : 000.0 Percent
BFAIL: 0x08 Status Flag
ALARM: Always
LASTEVNT : POWER FAILURE
LOWBATT  : 02 Minutes

The apcupsd.conf is appended at the end. 

Despite having put an explicit TIMEOUT 300 in the configuration file,
the machine stays up and the battery winds down.  When the AC plug is
pulled to test, the BFAIL tag changes to 0x10, the LASTEVENT is updated,
the voltages go to zero and the battery charge diminishes.

At *no* time are any messages printed to the terminal windows (to
indicate power failure, warning logouts imminent, power resumed, etc). 
So I am rather confused.  apcupsd collects valid data but
/usr/sbin/powersc doesn't act on it.

I have also tried genpower (/sbin/genpowerd /dev/ttyS0 apc-pnp) (which
is the correct type for the APC Cable 940-0095A.  The /etc/upsstatus
*always* says OK even if the plug is pulled.

Any suggestions would be most welcome.

Thanks

Tom

## apcupsd.conf v1.0 ##
#
# "apcupsd" POSIX config file
# Updated for Debian/GNU Linux by Leon Breedt ([EMAIL PROTECTED])

# CONTROL 
CONTROL /usr/sbin/powersc

# UPSCABLE [ simple | smart |
#940-00(20B,23A,24B,24C,24G,95A,95C) |
#940-15(24C) |
#ether ]
#
UPSCABLE 940-0095A

# UPSTYPE [ backups | sharebasic | netups |
#   backupspro | smartvsups |
#   newbackupspro | backupspropnp |
#   smartups | matrixups | sharesmart ]
#
UPSTYPE backupspropnp

# UPSCLASS [ standalone | shareslave | sharemaster | netslave |
netmaster ]
UPSCLASS standalone

# UPSMODE [ disable | share | net | sharenet ]
UPSMODE disable

#DEVICE  /dev/
DEVICE /dev/ttyS0

#LOCKFILE 
LOCKFILE /var/lock

#ACCESS  [ true | false ] Enable Access Support
ACCESS true

# ANNOY  <30> <0> disables
ANNOY 30

# DELAY  <60> <0> disables
DELAY 60

# NOLOGON  [ disable | timeout | percent | minutes | always ]
NOLOGON timeout

# PROCFS  <120> <0> disables 
PROCFS 30

# LOGGING  <500> <0> disables 
LOGGING 300

# TIMEOUT 
TIMEOUT 300


# BATTERYLEVEL  10
BATTERYLEVEL 10

# MINUTES 
5
MINUTES 5

# SENSITIVITY  H,M,L default H
SENSITIVITY H

# WAKEUP  0,60,180,300 Cycles default 0
WAKEUP 60

# SLEEP  20,180,300,600 Cycles default 20
SLEEP 20

# LOTRANSFER  0,1,2,3 default 2
LOTRANSFER 2

# HITRANSFER  0,1,2,3 default 2
HITRANSFER 3

# RETURNCHARGE  0,1,2,3 default 3
RETURNCHARGE 1

# BEEPSTATE  0,T,L,N default 0
BEEPSTATE L

# SELFTEST  336,168,ON,OFF default 336
SELFTEST 336
#
# UPSNAME 
UPSNAME UPS_IDEN

# REPLACE  date format mm/dd/yy
#REPLACE 12/13/93

# BATTCMD 
#BATTCMD

# TIMECMD 
#TIMECMD 

# LOADCMD 
#LOADCMD 

# LIMITCMD 
#LIMITCMD

# PWRCMD 
#PWRCMD

# RETCMD 
#RETCMD

# REMOTECMD 
#REMOTECMD

# NETTIME 
#NETTIME 100

# NETPORT 
#NETPORT 

# MASTER 
#MASTER

# SLAVE 
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE
#SLAVE

# USERMAGIC 
#USERMAGIC

# HTTPACCESS [ true | false ]   enable web-interface - defaults to false
#HTTPACCESS true

# HTTPPORT   port to use for interface - defaults to 1999
#HTTPPORT 1999





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pcmcia

2000-03-22 Thread pplaw

debs,

how do i get my pcmcia card bus to work on a new e-machine
lapbox?  here's the boot error message:

"starting pcmcia services:
modules/lib/modules/2.0.36/pcmcia/tcic.0: init_module: device or
resource busy"

i  get a login prompt if i use a boot disk made from the "rescue"
install disk.  however, if i use a boot disk created by "mkboot
/boot/vmlinuz-2.0.36," i just get:
lilo boot:
loading linux
error 0x04
boot: linux
error 0x04...

is this a separate problem?

ia, t.

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libXpm.so.4.11

2000-03-22 Thread Jose Alberto Lobo

A problem with libXpm.so.4.

I run debian 2.1, kernel 2.2.14, and recently downloaded and compiled a
program from  citrix.com  which I need to access through the net certain
databases on a server running MS-Windows.

When I try to run the program the shell complains that  "can't load library
'libXpm.so.4'". I noticed Debian 2.1 has  libXpm.so.4.10  in  /usr/X11R6/lib.
In a different computer running  Slackware 4.0, I observed  libXpm.so.4.11
instead, also in   /usr/X11R6/lib.

I straightaway copied  libXpm.so.4.11  to my  /usr/X11R6/lib directory, and
ran ldconfig. My citrix program now runs normally but, alas!, after I logout
xdm does not let me back in anymore. I can only log in as root, or else, use
the character console...

I have now withdrawn  libXpm.so.4.11, so I can work normally. However I
keep getting a message  "bash: fg: no job control"  every time I open a new
xterm, or login to the console.

I am very worried that I can't access that database, as I need to use it!

Any hints, please...
Alberto
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Fax: +34 93402 1149

Re: Linux bootfloppy and mount

2000-03-22 Thread Edmund GRIMLEY EVANS

Onno <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> Is/Are there a Linux bootfloppy('s) where I can use mount? 
> I don't care if it is NFS or SAMBA.
> 
> It is like a disksless machine that needs tools and files
> from a server.

The ordinary boot floppies will let you do an NFS mount. They don't do
SAMBA, as far as I know.

dhcpcd and remote NFS mounts

2000-03-22 Thread Santiago Vila

Hello.

It is ok that the dhcpcd package does not create any symlink in /etc/rcS.d?

I have a system running dhcp in which I'm trying to mount a remote
filesystem by using /etc/fstab, but unfortunately remote mounts do not
work because dhcpcd has not worked at that time yet.

/etc/rcS.d/README says after the S40 scripts have executed, all local file
systems are mounted and networking is available, but this is not true
if networking is provided by dhcpcd.

Is this a bug?

Thanks for any help.

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funky samba stuff

2000-03-22 Thread Hamish Moffatt

I just upgraded a linux server here from hamm to potato.
Some funky messages from samba;

smbclient -L reggie -U hamish says
"tree connect failed: 0" after I enter my password. In the log,

[2000/03/23 00:45:51, 1] smbd/server.c:main(643)
  smbd version 2.0.6 started.
  Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1992-1998
[2000/03/23 00:45:51, 1] smbd/files.c:file_init(216)
  file_init: Information only: requested 1 open files, 246 are available.
[2000/03/23 00:45:53, 0] lib/util_sec.c:assert_gid(72)
  Failed to set gid privileges to (-1,1000) now set to (0,0) uid=(0,0)
[2000/03/23 00:45:53, 0] lib/util.c:smb_panic(2456)
  PANIC: failed to set gid


Any ideas what this means and how I fix it? It's running from inetd.


Hamish
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Linux bootfloppy and mount

2000-03-22 Thread Onno


Is/Are there a Linux bootfloppy('s) where I can use mount? 
I don't care if it is NFS or SAMBA.

It is like a disksless machine that needs tools and files
from a server.

Regards,

Onno

RE: DNS lookups fail

2000-03-22 Thread Guyren G Howe

Sorry, that was not quite right. nslookup did eventually return, with:

*** Can't find server name for address ...: No response from server

for all three servers I have in my /etc/resolv.conf file, which are working
fine.

I can ping these same servers just fine, so I don't think it's a routing
issue.

--
> From: Guyren G Howe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:40:40 -0800
> To: "debian-user@lists.debian.org" 
> Subject: DNS lookups fail
> 
> I have somehow managed to get things so that the computers going through my
> Debian 2.2 box for NAT can do DNS just fine, but I can't do a nslookup from
> the same box itself to save myself.
> 
> nslookup never returns anything, even a timeout. My /etc/resolv.conf file
> shows the same things I have set on the other computers that work fine through
> my linux box.
> 
> What could I have got wrong?
> 
> TIA

DNS lookups fail

2000-03-22 Thread Guyren G Howe

I have somehow managed to get things so that the computers going through my
Debian 2.2 box for NAT can do DNS just fine, but I can't do a nslookup from
the same box itself to save myself.

nslookup never returns anything, even a timeout. My /etc/resolv.conf file
shows the same things I have set on the other computers that work fine
through my linux box.

What could I have got wrong?

TIA

Re: Environment setting before gdm start

2000-03-22 Thread Eric G . Miller

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 12:04:28PM +0100, Joachim Trinkwitz wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I wants to get german menues in gdm for my users, which implies
> setting the LC_ALL environment variable to de_DE. I did this in the
> /etc/profile, but this only helps after gdm is restarted.
> 
> I understand that gdm starts before the /etc/profile settings are
> worked out. How to set some variables early enough?

/etc/profile is for Bash. I don't think gdm cares about that. But, in
/etc/gdm/gdm.conf there is this parameter (which I have set to english):

DefaultLocale=english

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Re: VPN

2000-03-22 Thread Wojciech Zabolotny

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 09:41:47AM +0100, Onno wrote:
> I've been away too long...
> 
> Anyway, I have a problem and it involves a
> Virtual Private Network a.k.a. VPN.
> 
> I ask anyone who has done this kind of thing
> to please tell me how they did set it up or
> point me in the direction of good documentation.
> 
> My first setup will be between two LAN's but
> it has to scale to three LAN's and more...
> 
> Any pointers, advice or pitfall warnings are welcome.

I don't know if I can help you, but I'm just interested what software 
do you use - 

FreeS/Wan (http://www.freeswan.org) (GPL'ed) or

VPS2.0 (http://www.strongcrypto.com/) (which is GPL'ed but uses SSH1, so
there are problems with commercial use)?

-- 
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Build your free Data Acquisition System:
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Re: Bug#60891: xdm: Installs default tty7 line in Xservers -- break s system

2000-03-22 Thread Sven LUTHER

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:53:50AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:33:38AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Note to the other two maintainers. Branden has closed the bug I
> > submitted. Based on the information he provided to me in his message I
> > feel that you also should close the bugs I submitted against gdm and
> > wdm. They should possibly be re-submitted at a lesser severity, but not
> > as critical. Please read my message below and determine for yourself.
> > 
> > Branden, I've just subscribed to debian-users and have yet to get any
> > messages after my confirmation. Please feel free to forward this if my
> > CC dosn't go through.
> > 
> > Hmm, Just re-read my bug-report message. Used too much cut/paste to post
> > the three reports. As stated in the final paragraph, I do NOT have xdm
> > installed right now, I have wdm. So I relied on the fact that all 3
> > packages defaulted to tty7 and that it is applied by the wdm.postinst
> > script...
> 
> Thank you for your calm reply to my very aggravated message.  I did in
> fact download the sources to the standard getty program that we use and
> started poking around for a solution.
> 
> I don't know if we'll be able to implement a final solution to this problem
> in time for the potato release (which will hopefully be soon), but here's
> what I think:
> 
> 1) Modifying /etc/inittab would be a bad idea because it's a very sensitive
>thing; if a buggy package screws it up you may be very, very sorry.
> 2) I think a better approach would be to modify the X server and console
>getty programs to use lock files on the console devices.  I'll want to
>chat with some people I trust about file locking issues (say, MDA
>maintainers :) ) before starting to hack on this.  I guess this solution
>would go for programs like openvt as well.  It would ultimately become
>Policy, but first I want to have a workable solution in place.
> 
> I did some experimenting this evening and I've found that no programs seem
> to have any respect for any others when it comes to pouncing on a VC.
> getty will step on X, X will step on getty, X will step on X, etc.
> 
> Permit me to *beseech* the other display manager maintainers to not modify
> the conffiles of another package, if that's what you're doing.  I expect
> [gkw]dm to have their own config directories under /etc/X11/ and not fool
> with mine.  I would do you the same courtesy, and besides, policy says you
> shouldn't.  :)

Just a stupid clueless idea, but what if we start the xserver from the
inittab, or at least have some line in the inittab saying that the
Xserver/gdm/whatever will use the vtxx, in the same way that init starts
getty's on his specific vt's ?

BTW, should we have a runlevel with X and a runlevel without X ? or do we
already have such a thing ?

Friendly,

Sven LUTHER

Environment setting before gdm start

2000-03-22 Thread Joachim Trinkwitz

Hi,

I wants to get german menues in gdm for my users, which implies
setting the LC_ALL environment variable to de_DE. I did this in the
/etc/profile, but this only helps after gdm is restarted.

I understand that gdm starts before the /etc/profile settings are
worked out. How to set some variables early enough?

Any help appreciated,
joachim

Man-made stone-Opal Stone widely used on the desk, round, pillar, staircase, counter, cabinet etc

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anti-flame, against high temperature and hard. Also, it is highly plasticity
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than 10 years.
Comparing with the ceramics, the varied wash-basin made out of Opal are more
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material can be pieced very well without any crevice by the special same color
glue.
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pillar, staircase, counter, cabinet etc

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Re: Bash, Keys, Potato

2000-03-22 Thread Rodrigo Castro

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 11:12:37AM +0100, Martijn van de Streek wrote:
> Hi Rodrigo!
> 
> On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Rodrigo Castro wrote:
> 
> > get the key displayed. It works as a dead key, waiting for any other
> > key. When I do type other key, it beeps and I get no output on
> > screen. I reinstalled bash, libncurses5, libc6 and already trying
> > changing my keymap, but I wasn't sucessful. I am getting crazy. 
> 
> Did you look at your ~/.inputrc file?

Yes. I even created a new user with no .inputrc and no $INPUTRC (no
.bashrc, .bash_profile too). I don't know what kind of stuff could be
in my files to screw up only letter E. The problem occurs in console and in
xterm. :-(

[]'s
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Computer Science undergraduate student - University of Sao Paulo

I do not fear computers.  I fear the lack of them.
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Re: Rename files

2000-03-22 Thread Anthony Campbell

On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:57:14PM +0100, Robert Kasunic wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I'm trying to rename a lot of files. I just want to substitute underlines
> with whitespaces. How can I do that?

I recently found a package called mvgp which does exactly what you want.
It seems to work quite well. I found it at http://jayts.cx.

Anthony

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Re: Bash, Keys, Potato

2000-03-22 Thread Martijn van de Streek

Hi Rodrigo!

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Rodrigo Castro wrote:

> get the key displayed. It works as a dead key, waiting for any other
> key. When I do type other key, it beeps and I get no output on
> screen. I reinstalled bash, libncurses5, libc6 and already trying
> changing my keymap, but I wasn't sucessful. I am getting crazy. 

Did you look at your ~/.inputrc file?
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Re: Rename files

> On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 03:57:14PM +0100, Robert Kasunic wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I'm trying to rename a lot of files. I just want to substitute underlines
> > with whitespaces. How can I do that?
> 
> You might use mmv.
> 
> If your files are:  foo_bars
> then use mmv "*_*" '#1\ #2'   (quotes required)
> 
uh ... i think, that the \ in '#1\ #2' should not be there.
it's intended to quote the space, but as it is already quoted within "'",
it will be taken literally. if you don't quote the "#1 #2", then the
backslash would be required, but then you also would have to quote the #s.
so possible quotings are:
"#1 #2" (here we can have shell-expansion of variables ($))
'#1 #2' (here everything is taken literally => in this case the same))
\#1\ \#2
or (a bit weird :-)  '#'1' #'2
all of them work.

regards,
ossi


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Who knows German?

2000-03-22 Thread Tony Crawford

Please excuse me for abusing the list to try to recruit some 
volunteers ...

LinuxTag e.V is the non-profit association that organizes Europe's 
largest GNU/Linux and free software convention (this year: June 29 - 
July 2 in Stuttgart--see http://www.linuxtag.org/ ). The group could 
use a hand in translating web content, press materials and occasional 
correspondence from German into English. Anyone interested in 
contributing their skills? 

Tony

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resetting dselect

2000-03-22 Thread Beavis




hello, i installed a few .deb manually 
meaning
 
dpkg -i 
 
but dselect thinks that are are still unconfigured, 
which is not true
 
how do u reset the deselect so 
that it doesn't pick up the packages as existing in the system
 
the packages are kdebase, kbelibs2g 
 
tkankx beavis..

Esound dependency problems

2000-03-22 Thread Lepus

Hello.

I have a small problem (well, actually it is a BIG one indeed) with
installing several X packages, including the GNOME system, under the
frozen (potato) distribution. I have ALSA installed, and so I use the ALSA 
version of the Enlightened soud daemon (esound-alsa0). Everyting works 
fine, but:
Some packages insist that they depend on the package esound0, which in
turn conflicts esound-alsa0! An even though esound-alsa0 provides esound0,
this doesn't seem to bother these packages, and dselect wont install
them. Someone suggested taht I should install these manually, overriding
the dependencies, but this would take a hell of a lot of time, and I would
get annoying dependency screens every time I used dselect...
Anyone have an idea, what I should do?

Daniel Szabo

VPN

2000-03-22 Thread Onno

I've been away too long...

Anyway, I have a problem and it involves a
Virtual Private Network a.k.a. VPN.

I ask anyone who has done this kind of thing
to please tell me how they did set it up or
point me in the direction of good documentation.

My first setup will be between two LAN's but
it has to scale to three LAN's and more...

Any pointers, advice or pitfall warnings are welcome.

Thanks in advance,

Onno

Re: Unresolved symbols potato and kernel 2.0.36

2000-03-22 Thread Jonathan Markevich

On Mon, Mar 20, 2000 at 04:29:21PM +, David Wright wrote:

Out of everyone that got and read my message, you're the *only* one that
took offense.  Well, that responded anyways.  It seems most realized what I
said was extreme frustration and not a personal attack.  Please accept my
messages in that light.

> > > First, is sounds to me like you are using stock debian kernels.  I don't
> > 
> > Well I have to use 2.0.36.  2.2 doesn't work for me, remember?  And I use
> > stock kernels because it avoids another level of confusion and
> > troubleshooting in situations like this.
> 
> I don't know why I should converse with a person who starts the
> conversation by grumbling "I suppose it's the height of naivite
> to expect an answer about Debian around here, but here goes...".

The reason I said that is in about two weeks' time I have posted on about
four different issues; unresolved symbols, serial port, kdm/wdm, and
other kernel/module problems.  I never got *any* response from my kdm/wdm and
serial questions despite carefully worded subject lines, clips from dmesg
and serial.conf, descriptions of what I was doing, etc.  They still don't
work and I have no idea where to go for support now.

> Anyway, if you refuse to compile your own kernel, then you are
> relying on the configuration options that happened to be considered
> necessary for installing linux. Just for example, is the following
> option necessary for people installing linux? Is it set in the
> packaged images? I've no idea.

I don't "refuse to compile my own kernel", I have done so (check the thread)
I just figured the kernel and modules that come from the distributor _ought_
to be matched together.  It's a troubleshooting step.  I was running well
with adequate hardware support (for 2.0.36, anyways) and have used stock
kernels successfully for about two years.  At first I never had enough disk
space to have the source/compiled object files and all the apps I needed.

> Support for sharing serial interrupts
> CONFIG_SERIAL_SHARE_IRQ
>   Some serial boards have hardware support which allows multiple dumb
>   serial ports on the same board to share a single IRQ. To enable
>   support for this in the serial driver, say Y here.

This is a very helpful snippet, thank you... is this in the 2.2.14 kernel? 
Is this not enabled in the stock one???  If so, that's very unconventional,
for the reason you described above.  It's well worth a look, though I don't
understand why I would say N here -- unless it's obfuscated somewhere.  I
will certainly look harder for it this time.

> > I mean, why should I have
> > unresolved symbols when I am using a stock kernel?
> 
> One could equally ask, why should you not?

Like I said, if it comes out of the box, I expect it to work together. 
That's not an unrealistic expectation; it's the whole point of a
distribution.  Without that, one might as well start from scratch.

> > And why does all of a
> > sudden a list full of geniuses go completely silent?  Grr.
> 
> Well, when I originally saw the post that starts
> "Well I upgraded, finally.  And the kernel can't locate all my
> serial ports for some reason." I for one assumed that this was a
> continuing thread of conversation that I had overlooked.
> Looking back now, I might have been wrong about that.

Yep, there was more previously, not strictly "a thread".  The list is a
great resource, with very helpful people... and sometimes the only place a
Debian user can go.  When it sounds hollow, you're hooped.

> > I don't think this is a modules thing, it's a kernel thing (very slight
> > difference, I guess) but more importantly, it's a support thing.  So far
> > this much-acclaimed Linux community has proven to be a bunch of the
> > proverbial blind men.  I've been using Linux for about 5 years now, through
> > all sorts of grief and struggles, and it's just not getting much better. 
> > What are the advantages of Debian again?  I have a Slackware 96 CD here that
> > also runs kernel 2.0!  Wow!  Cool!
> > 
> > Like I said, I have maybe an hour a day to spend on this; and all I do is
> > "patch the dam"
> 
> Being insulted doesn't give me any motivation to make any suggestions.
> Sorry.

And yet you did -- thanks again.  That's all I wanted, you know; another guy
mailed me and said "I have 2.2 working here with 4 serial ports, using shared
interrupts"  That tells me volumes and I wish I had that over the weekend.

I also am reminded how e-mail can carry more weight in the reading than we
may expect or intend.  I can't change what I said, and maybe I wouldn't...
the complaint and frustration still exist.  The Linux community needs to do
something to make it easier and less of a constant fight for folks.  I try
to help all I can (search for my posts) but there's obviously still
something lacking.  Maybe I need to work on a HOWTO (though I need the
information from somewhere)!

Let me again assure you; I have no reason or intent to insult you, my
computer, on the o

Re: Bug#60891: xdm: Installs default tty7 line in Xservers -- break s system

2000-03-22 Thread Branden Robinson

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:33:38AM -0600, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Note to the other two maintainers. Branden has closed the bug I
> submitted. Based on the information he provided to me in his message I
> feel that you also should close the bugs I submitted against gdm and
> wdm. They should possibly be re-submitted at a lesser severity, but not
> as critical. Please read my message below and determine for yourself.
> 
> Branden, I've just subscribed to debian-users and have yet to get any
> messages after my confirmation. Please feel free to forward this if my
> CC dosn't go through.
> 
> Hmm, Just re-read my bug-report message. Used too much cut/paste to post
> the three reports. As stated in the final paragraph, I do NOT have xdm
> installed right now, I have wdm. So I relied on the fact that all 3
> packages defaulted to tty7 and that it is applied by the wdm.postinst
> script...

Thank you for your calm reply to my very aggravated message.  I did in
fact download the sources to the standard getty program that we use and
started poking around for a solution.

I don't know if we'll be able to implement a final solution to this problem
in time for the potato release (which will hopefully be soon), but here's
what I think:

1) Modifying /etc/inittab would be a bad idea because it's a very sensitive
   thing; if a buggy package screws it up you may be very, very sorry.
2) I think a better approach would be to modify the X server and console
   getty programs to use lock files on the console devices.  I'll want to
   chat with some people I trust about file locking issues (say, MDA
   maintainers :) ) before starting to hack on this.  I guess this solution
   would go for programs like openvt as well.  It would ultimately become
   Policy, but first I want to have a workable solution in place.

I did some experimenting this evening and I've found that no programs seem
to have any respect for any others when it comes to pouncing on a VC.
getty will step on X, X will step on getty, X will step on X, etc.

Permit me to *beseech* the other display manager maintainers to not modify
the conffiles of another package, if that's what you're doing.  I expect
[gkw]dm to have their own config directories under /etc/X11/ and not fool
with mine.  I would do you the same courtesy, and besides, policy says you
shouldn't.  :)

Anyway, anyone who wants to work on this issue should subscribe to debian-x
and help hash it out.

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Re: Limping and bleeding with Corel Linux

2000-03-22 Thread Oliver Elphick

Val Dokuzovic wrote:
  >This is a multi-part message in MIME format.
  >--E5BEFC36B7A77E9638304BBE
  >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
  >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
  >
  >Hi there,
  > My "brief"? story: I am (was?) a windowman (meaning a mouseman
  >-computer (almost) illiterate). Got sick and tired of being called
  >basically a criminal, by my Laptop using Windows, with messages such as

I have Debian running on a laptop; I can't speak for the Corel version,
though.

  >"illegal operation". Bought Corel Linux based on Debian. After spending
  >a month trying to figure out how to install this thing (luckily, I was
  >really sick with a bad case of cold), found out that I can not install
  >it on my laptop. Turned to my sons old PC NEC Ready 60, and gave it a
  >new name:
  >This will be my MLINUX machine (mean linux machine). After a nightmare
  >and at least (35 installations or attempts) that lasted several weeks
  >this is where I am: I installed one copy of linux to my C: drive and one
  >to my D: drive. The idea was that if I manage to get one crashed I will
  >simply use the other one, (maybe try to fix the first one with it -
  >remember I do not really know a lot?) My principal copy was on C: drive.
  >My "backup" is on D: drive. I got them both running reasonable well. I
  >had only one problem left: RAM. I have 104M, and machine thought I had
  >64M. This is where append="mem=104M" in etc/lilo.conf became an option
  >to try. Last time I tried it I got a bad crash from which could not
  >recover. (That was what gave me the idea of the two copies). This time I

I do not think this could crash your system, unless you told it too much
(104Mb is a very strange number for memory).

  >tried it on my "backup" copy. It did work as far as RAM but boy am I in
  >a mess now. I can not get my C: copy to run. D: copy I can barely get to
  >too. It is now for some reason my first "suggested" choice and my C:
  >copy is linux a2 in the lilo window. When I try to run a2 all I get is a 
  >flashing "-" cursor. Pressing ctrl alt del gets me back to lilo window.

What messages do you see before that?  How far does the boot process get?

  >Choosing "Linux" everything goes well until "Checking file system" ,
  >then I get some text scrolling. The text has a black line horizontally
  >across it. Them I get a message that "fsck failed" fix manually or press
  >ctrl D to resume (you guess which one I choose?). ctrl D gets me to

You MUST fix this.  If fsck is reporting errors, it means your filesystem
is corrupt.  Doing anything more with it is likely to corrupt it much
much worse.  [The most frequent cause of filesystem corruption is turning
the machine off without a proper shutdown.]

The command is `fsck -y /dev/hdb2'.  The -y option means
that fsck will fix everything without asking you; in your state of
knowledge (and mine), this is the only reasonable option.  (If you
have any other partitions, you may also need to run fsck on them.)

Depending on the extent of the damage, you may end up with a fixed
system; there may be files in /_your_partition_/lost+found; or you
may have to give up and reinstall.

  >workable copy on my D: drive from where I am sending this SOS message.
  >On my laptop I have windows 98 and I am still resisting to go there.
  >With all the trouble I went through (and all I still probably will go
  >through) I am becoming more and more attached to linux, as I slowly
  >learn its intricacies. But a thought went through my mind. Linux is
  >supposed to be a free software. Is Debian really free? Is it free if

You have to learn skills to use anything.  A computer is incredibly complex
and few of us get anywhere near learning all about it, but the more we
learn, the more we can do.  When you get past this problem, you will be
a lot more capable than when you only knew Windows.

  >only programming elite can use it? Or are we mousemen really retarded
  >now after prolonged use of windows? Attached are my messy etc/lilo.conf
  >files. One with root at dev/hda2 is my C: copy. Please help. I do not
  >dare to do anything on my own anymore. If any debian expert lives in
  >Toronto area I am willing to pay him to get my mlinux machine in a
  >perfect order. Thank you for help. Val.

I'm too far away for that!

How much of these lilo files are your own work and how much is Corel?
The labels seem very strange; apart from that, I don't see anything
particularly odd (except the number 104M - how do you get that? 64Mb + 32Mb 
+8Mb? - are you sure those memory bits are all compatible?).

For comparison, here is my /etc/lilo.conf:

boot=/dev/hda3
root=/dev/hda3
install=/boot/boot.b
map=/boot/map
vga=normal
delay=20
# Linux
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.14
  label=Linux
  append="mem=128m aic7xxx=ultra parport=auto"
  read-only
# Linux
image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.13
  label=Linux-old
  append="mem=128m aic7xxx=ultra parport=auto"
  read-only
#

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Re: Bug#60891: xdm: Installs default tty7 line in Xservers -- break s system

2000-03-22 Thread gvl


Note to the other two maintainers. Branden has closed the bug I
submitted. Based on the information he provided to me in his message I
feel that you also should close the bugs I submitted against gdm and
wdm. They should possibly be re-submitted at a lesser severity, but not
as critical. Please read my message below and determine for yourself.

Branden, I've just subscribed to debian-users and have yet to get any
messages after my confirmation. Please feel free to forward this if my
CC dosn't go through.

Hmm, Just re-read my bug-report message. Used too much cut/paste to post
the three reports. As stated in the final paragraph, I do NOT have xdm
installed right now, I have wdm. So I relied on the fact that all 3
packages defaulted to tty7 and that it is applied by the wdm.postinst
script...

---snip---
#! /bin/sh -e
#
# WDM postinst.
# 
# (C) 1998, 1999 Marcelo Magallon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wdm_config_file=/etc/X11/wdm/wdm-config
wdm_Xsession=/etc/X11/wdm/Xsession
common_Xsession=/etc/X11/Xsession

wdm_Xservers=/etc/X11/wdm/Xservers
xdm_Xservers=/etc/X11/xdm/Xservers

default_local_server=":0 local /usr/bin/X11/X vt7"

---snip---

Also, in three paragraphs I used *6* all-caps words. Hardly throwing
them around gratuitously. (you used ~90 in 12 paragraphs). At least you
did say I was good at describing the problem, that was my intent all
along.

As for the fact that the postinst scripts are sure to leave prior config
files intact -- that hardly applies when I've not installed the package
previously or if I have purged a package not planning to use it again. 
I am on a single, non-networked, machine in a home environment with
multiple users. As we trust each other, we often leave a tty open and
logged in. Therefore, early on I adjusted my inittab to run a getty on
tty1 through tty10. I pipe some of syslogs output to tty11 and have used
tty12 for X for quite a while.  If there are others in a similar
situation who decide to install one of these packages it will cause
similar problems.

I did ask on openprojects IRC #debian several days running to see if
anyone else had experienced this problem. There were several
suggestions relating to using (or not) xkb and a few other things I
can't recall now. But only ONE person suggested checking that
particular config file to see if it was trying to start on a tty with a
getty running.

To be honest, I am not a programmer of any sort. I can hack together
shell scripts to do things I need if I really have to, but that's about
it. When the problem exhibited itself I did not even consider checking
the "X FAQ". I had no problem at all with X, it worked just fine using
'startx' and has for quite some time. My problem was with all 3 display
managers. Checking the FAQ for the X-window system itself did not occur
to me, and I don't think it will to new users either.

I personally still think it is a bug though I have NO idea how to work
around it. The default installation causes some systems to require a
hard reset into single mode in order to correct the problem. In my mind
that makes it a critical bug -- but since it will most likely affect
very few systems it could probably be argued that it is a level 1 bug,
or with the difficulty of fixing it, it could even be a level 0 bug.

In the future, however, I will make an attempt to strike up a dialog
with the maintainer of a package to help determine if I should submit a
bug report. I believe debian's goal is to create a system usable by
most. Such a system must somehow account for some unexpected setups. I
submitted a non-critical bug in a couple of -doc packages that Manoj
Srivastava maintains. The ONLY cause for the installs to break was my
horrid drive partitioning that had left me with too little room on
/usr. I had the /usr/doc and /usr/share/doc directories symlinked in
from elsewhere and that broke the postinst quite thoroughly. He fixed
the problem on his end and I also found a way to back up and
re-partition my drives properly.

I did not feel my bug report was impolite or condescending. I was
merely trying to clearly describe what had happened to me and could,
conceivably, happen to other first time users of the display manager
packages.

As far as not 'assigning a bug critical severity', when I run 'bug' it
asks me to give a one line description, then asks me to 'assign a
severity' based on the descriptions it gives. I chose critical because
it caused the 'whole system' to break and require a hard reset:

   4) Critical bug. Makes unrelated software on the system (or the whole
   system) break, or causes serious data loss, or introduces a security
   hole on systems where you install the package.

I think that having the '*dm' packages not start on install if no prior
in stallation is detected and post a *notice* on screen describing the
need to correct the Xservers (or gdm.conf) file would be enough to
mostly guarantee that this wouldn't happen. Being required to hard
reset your machine in single mode

Re: Speed

usually /var/log/messages will show what pppd/chat reports as the connect
speed.  this is not always accurate, depending on modem configuration
sometimes it shows just the speed of the port(like 115,200 and
57,600) rather then the real connect speed (like 31,200 48,000 etc)

nate

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doncma >How can I tell what speed I have been connected at to my ISP?
doncma >
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Re: Authentication...? RADIUS ?

we use radius for both livingston portmasters and ascend max, i believe
radius is to some extent vendor specific, so i suggest contacting the
company who makes the equipment for compadible software. or do a search on
freshmeat:

http://www.freshmeat.net/search.php3?query=radius

quite a few different ones depending on your needs.

nate

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the_ph >
the_ph >I am trying to set up an ISP, and RADIUS has been sugested for the 
the_ph >authenication and billing of the users on the dial up servers.
the_ph >
the_ph >Any one have any recomendations??
the_ph >
the_ph >Also WHERE can i find it???
the_ph >It was not listed under dselect
the_ph >
the_ph >But then I'm new to all this so I could be doing it wrong!!
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Re: MS Frontpage Ext.

what version of fp_extensions? where did you get it? what version of
apache?(if your not using apache what are you using?) how did you install
it ? etc etc .. just saying slink with kernel 2.2.14 says nothing.. the
distribution and kernel have virtually nothing to do with FP.

I run Apache 1.3.9 (self compiled) with:

mod_frontpage 4.0.4.3 (aka fp2000)
mod_perl 1.2.1
AuthMySQL 2.20
mod_roaming 1.0
mod_gzip v???
mod_throttle v??

i got my frontpage stuff from www.rtr.com

although i don't use it myself, some of my customers do and i havent heard
of any problems as of yet

and for the record i am running debian 2.1r4 with kernel
2.0.36+securelinux SMP. :/

nate

On Tue, 21 Mar 2000, Beavis wrote:

beavis >
beavis >
beavis >  has anyone experienced any bugs w/ the fp_extensions, for example
beavis > i have a frontpage website loaded on my slink 2.2.14 and when a user 
tries
beavis > to access the home page w/ netscape 4.7, they get a script error, loads
beavis >fine
beavis > w/ any other netscape ver., and not too many problems w/ iexplorer 
execpt
beavis > that i have a few translucent buttons that don't work properly.
beavis >
beavis > i know it is not the source code because i have a mirrored site w/ a
beavis >hosting
beavis > company, and their fp_extensions work fine, no bugs at all!  They are 
using
beavis > a unix platform.
beavis >
beavis > are there any logs that can pin point the problem, or are there ways to
beavis > debug it?  Not meaning to ask too many questions at once, but i am 
kind of
beavis > new at this.
beavis >
beavis >
beavis > thankx for any replies...take care...beavis
beavis >
beavis >> > What system are you using? I installed FP Ext and the tools on a 
Debian
beavis >> slink
beavis >> > 2.1 and did not have problems get this tools running.
beavis >> >
beavis >> > Try www.rtr.com. There you'll normally find the latest release 
including
beavis >> the
beavis >> > tools and the source code for the Apache module.
beavis >> >
beavis >> > Sven
beavis >> >
beavis >> >
beavis >> > On 19-Mar-2000 Werner Reisberger wrote:
beavis >> > > Does anybody know how to install Frontpage Server Extension on a
beavis >Debian
beavis >> > > system with libc6?
beavis >> > >
beavis >> > > I was able to compile Apache with the frontpage module but the
beavis >> installation
beavis >> > > of the extension failed becaused the binary therein are compiled
beavis >against
beavis >> > > libc5 and there aren't any sources @=
beavis >> > >
beavis >> > > I hate this stuff but some customers wants it.
beavis >> > >
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Speed

2000-03-22 Thread Don Cavaiani

How can I tell what speed I have been connected at to my ISP?

Authentication...? RADIUS ?

2000-03-22 Thread The_Phantom 74


Hi

I am trying to set up an ISP, and RADIUS has been sugested for the 
authenication and billing of the users on the dial up servers.


Any one have any recomendations??

Also WHERE can i find it???
It was not listed under dselect

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MS Frontpage Ext.

2000-03-22 Thread Beavis

  has anyone experienced any bugs w/ the fp_extensions, for example
 i have a frontpage website loaded on my slink 2.2.14 and when a user tries
 to access the home page w/ netscape 4.7, they get a script error, loads
fine
 w/ any other netscape ver., and not too many problems w/ iexplorer execpt
 that i have a few translucent buttons that don't work properly.

 i know it is not the source code because i have a mirrored site w/ a
hosting
 company, and their fp_extensions work fine, no bugs at all!  They are using
 a unix platform.

 are there any logs that can pin point the problem, or are there ways to
 debug it?  Not meaning to ask too many questions at once, but i am kind of
 new at this.

 thankx for any replies...take care...beavis

> > What system are you using? I installed FP Ext and the tools on a Debian
> slink
> > 2.1 and did not have problems get this tools running.
> >
> > Try www.rtr.com. There you'll normally find the latest release including
> the
> > tools and the source code for the Apache module.
> >
> > Sven
> >
> >
> > On 19-Mar-2000 Werner Reisberger wrote:
> > > Does anybody know how to install Frontpage Server Extension on a
Debian
> > > system with libc6?
> > >
> > > I was able to compile Apache with the frontpage module but the
> installation
> > > of the extension failed becaused the binary therein are compiled
against
> > > libc5 and there aren't any sources @=
> > >
> > > I hate this stuff but some customers wants it.
> > >
> > > -- Werner
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Re: What r the correct perms for SW in /usr/local ?

2000-03-22 Thread Ethan Benson

On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:07:18PM -0500, S. Salman Ahmed wrote:

> The only way around the problem for non-root users was to create a new
> group (javauser), chgrp -R javauser /usr/local/uml/Together, and then
> add myself to that group javauser. The permissions before this fix were
> sth like:

this seems broken to me

> @phoenix:[/usr/local/uml/Together] dir
> total 19076
> drwxr-sr-x   13 root staff1024 Mar 21 21:20 ./
> drwxrwsrwx3 root staff1024 Mar 21 21:19 ../
> drwxrwxr-x6 1002 staff1024 Mar 21 21:44 bin/
> -rw-rw-r--1 1002 staff   5 Mar 12 13:29 buildnum.txt
> drwxrwx--x2 1002 staff1024 Mar 21 21:28 config/
> drwxr-xr-x6 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:27 doc/
> drwxrwxr-x7 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:28 help/
> drwxr-xr-x6 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:29 lib/
> drwxrwxr-x2 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:29 license/
> drwxr-xr-x4 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:28 modules/
> drwxrwxr-x2 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:29 myprojects/
> drwxrwxr-x2 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:27 out/
> -rw-rw-r--1 1002 staff   17934 Mar 12 13:29 readme.html
> drwxr-xr-x3 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:28 samples/
> drwxrwxr-x2 1002 staff1024 Mar 12 13:29 source/

these files should have a real owner.

> Which, finally, leads to my question: what should the correct
> permissions be of an application/software installed in /usr/local ?

owned by root.root writable by only the owner, ie exectables should be
mode 0755 (-rwxr-xr-x) directorys should be the same, ordinary
non-execuable files should be owned by root.root mode -644 (-rw-r--r--)

> For instance, I have noticed that the directory in which I have
> installed netscape-4.72 (from tarball) has some weird permissions:

chown -R root.root netscape/ && chmod 755 netscape

> @phoenix:[/usr/local] dir netscape/
> total 24578
> drwxr-sr-x8 root  staff 1024 Feb 26 17:23 ./
> drwxrwsr-x   15 root  staff 1024 Mar 20 21:57 ../
> -r--r--r--1 5115  uucp 16154 Jan 31 09:09 LICENSE
> -r--r--r--1 5115  uucp323399 Jan 31 09:08 Netscape.ad
> -r--r--r--1 5115  uucp 16215 Jan 31 09:09 README
> -r--r--r--1 5115  uucp  4674 Oct 18  1994 XKeysymDB
> -r--r--r--1 5115  uucp 11357 Jan 31 09:11 bookmark.htm
> drwxr-xr-x3 5115  uucp  1024 Jan 31 09:11 java/

> 
> This Together/J is a strange application in that it seems to be writing
> to dirs/files in the directory in which it is installed, but for other

this is *BROKEN* nothing should EVER be writing to its program files
or the directories its installed in, where did you get this program?
it sounds like it was written for win* or macos.

> applications that don't do this, what should the group and owner be for
> maximum security ?

debian by default installs all directories under /usr/local/
root.staff mode 2775, personally i think this is bogus, no non-root
user should be able to mess with stuff there, it just opens up all
kinds of ugly trojaning scenerios.  

so i recommend following the /usr/* permission model which is 

owner: root
group: root
umask 022 (executables and directories 0755, regular files 0644) 

any program that refuses to function in this environment is completely
broken and IMO deserves nothing less then a visit from Mr. rm -rf.
if you have such a program it is completely unsuitable for multiuser
use and you might as well have any user who wants to use the prgram
install it under there home directory in ~/usr/bin or ~/bin.

if you want to follow the debian style for /usr/local then everything
should be owned by root.staff, and possibly mode 0775, and be VERY
picky about who is in group staff.  I reccomend against this however.
if you are a member of group staff, and you run some program that does
nasty things, it has a whole mess of software in /usr/local it can
trojan. not just for you but for every user on the system.

-- 
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http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/

Re: Rename files

2000-03-22 Thread brian moore

On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 10:32:54PM +0100, Christian Surchi wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 12:34:07PM -0800, brian moore wrote:
> 
> > rename 's/_/ /g' *.mp3
> 
> rename? :o

Hrrm?  Yes.

It comes with perl.

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comsat, biff and icmplogd

2000-03-22 Thread str8edge

Reply-To: 
Hi,
I'm trying to figure out why my icmplogs are showing UDP connections
whenever my system recieve email. The connections are on UDP port 512.
I'm using sendmail from woody as my MTA. It makes no difference whether or
not biff is installed.
the log reads:
Mar 21 21:16:37 sxe icmplogd: destination unreachable from localhost
[127.0.0.1]
any ideas about how to solve this one would be appreciated.

Thanks.

David

Re: Debian rocks

2000-03-22 Thread Mike Werner

On Tue, Mar 21, 2000 at 11:19:28AM -0800, Bart Friederichs wrote:

> I have 8M, but the upper 4 are bad. I am just busy installing it now. I
> *know* it is the ram that does it ; ). Maybe I will get me more RAM, hope it
> is easy to get some 30pins SIMMs.

Take a look at http://www.memoryx.com ... specifically
http://www.memoryx.net/30pinsimm.html
Listed there are 1meg, 4 meg, and 16meg SIMMs, with a variety of
the 1 meg and the 4 meg parts.
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Re: checking md5sum of installed packages

2000-03-22 Thread Eric G . Miller

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 02:14:38AM +, Jim Breton wrote:
> I'm sure this has come up before but searching the archives for "dpkg
> md5sum" etc. just comes up with WAY too many matches.  :(
> 
> Anyway my question is: is there a dpkg command I can run that will check
> the md5sums of all my dpkg-installed files?

debsums, but read the man page so you don't worry about some of the sums
that don't match.

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Re: Group for /dev/cdrom, Does not work for me :-(, addendum

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (esoR ocsirF) wrote:
>On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:27:56AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
>> If groups isn't displaying the right output after a useradd, then my
>> guess is that you haven't logged out and in again since the useradd ...?
>
>ACK! I have gotten so used to things working when I do them ( as opposed
>to Windoughs, where you have to reboot in order for anything to be
>current ). Is there a specific reason why this doesn't happen
>dynamically? Thanks for the help

You rarely have to reboot in Linux, but you often have to restart
processes. It's not really something that can be fixed; each process
(say, each shell) keeps its own list of the groups to which it belongs.
To change these dynamically, you'd have to have useradd invade every
other process and change its list of groups. When you consider that
processes owned by any given user can take on new supplementary groups
using things like newgrp, or even potentially have a completely
different set of groups if they're invoked by something setgid, this is
a very difficult problem, and violates expected inter-process protection
something horrific. (Although useradd has root privileges, admittedly.)

Basically, don't go there. :) I'd be amazed if it were possible to do
this cleanly. Don't start thinking you need to reboot, but do expect to
have to restart processes sometimes when something major affects them.
It's usually not too much of a problem.

-- 
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Re: ssh loading at startup

2000-03-22 Thread Jason Christensen


> trying to get ssh to load at boot
> 
> i have created a script in /etc/init.d called ssh
> i have also created a symbolic link to it from
> /etc/rc2.d called S20ssh
> 
> but upon bootup the log says
> /etc/init.d/rc: /etc/rc2.d/S20ssh:  Permission denied
> 

Does root have execute permissions on the script in /etc/init.d that
S20ssh points to? The symlink permissions are ignored.

Jason

> anyone know why, or maybe an easier way then the one explained?
> 
> 
> 
> >
> > i have made the script that i think will work /etc/init.d/ssh
> >
> > #! /bin/sh
> >
> > # /etc/init.d/ssh: start and stop the "secure shell(tm)" daemon
> >
> > test -x /usr/local/sbin/sshd || exit 0
> >
> > # Configurable options:
> >
> > case "$1" in
> >   start)
> > echo -n "Starting Secure Shell server: sshd"
> >  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid --exec
> > /usr/sbin/sshd
> > echo "."
> >  ;;
> >   stop)
> > echo -n "Stopping Secure Shell server: sshd"
> >  start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile
> > /var/run/sshd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd
> > echo "."
> >  ;;
> >
> >   reload|force-reload)
> > echo -n "Reloading Secure Shell server's configuration"
> >  start-stop-daemon --stop --signal 1 --quiet --oknodo --pidfile
> > /var/run/sshd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd
> >  echo "."
> >  ;;
> >
> >   restart)
> > echo -n "Restarting Secure Shell server: sshd"
> >  start-stop-daemon --stop --quiet --oknodo --pidfile
> > /var/run/sshd.pid --exec /usr/sbin/sshd
> >  start-stop-daemon --start --quiet --pidfile /var/run/sshd.pid --exec
> > /usr/sbin/sshd
> >  echo "."
> >  ;;
> >
> >   *)
> >  echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/ssh {start|stop|reload|force-reload|restart}"
> >  exit 1
> > esac
> >
> > exit 0
> >
> >
> >
> > but how do i make a symlinks
> > to it:
> >  /etc/rc[RUNLEVEL].d is where you have to put symlinks to this script
> >
> > i am a newbie
> > ls 
> >
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: Ron Rademaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: Beavis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: debian list ;  > ;>
> > Sent: Monday, March 20, 2000 3:38 PM
> > Subject: Re: ssh loading at startup
> >
> >
> > > /etc/init.d/ is where you have to put the script
> > > /etc/rc[RUNLEVEL].d is where you have to put symlinks to this script
> > >
> > > Ron
> > >
> > > On Mon, 20 Mar 2000, Beavis wrote:
> > >
> > > > everytime i reboot my linux box i have to run the ssh deamon
> > > >
> > > > where can i put a line to tell it to start the ssh service at bootup
> > > >
> > > > thankx
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> 
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Re: Group for /dev/cdrom, Does not work for me :-(, addendum

2000-03-22 Thread esoR ocsirF

On Wed, Mar 22, 2000 at 01:27:56AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> 
> If groups isn't displaying the right output after a useradd, then my
> guess is that you haven't logged out and in again since the useradd ...?
> 
ACK! I have gotten so used to things working when I do them ( as opposed
to Windoughs, where you have to reboot in order for anything to be
current ). Is there a specific reason why this doesn't happen
dynamically? Thanks for the help

PS. I remember someones signature from a while ago with something to the
effect 

"Windows has detected mouse button activity, You must restart Windows for 
 changes to be effective. Would you like to restart your computer now?"

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Limping and bleeding with Corel Linux

2000-03-22 Thread Val Dokuzovic

Hi there,
My "brief"? story: I am (was?) a windowman (meaning a mouseman
-computer (almost) illiterate). Got sick and tired of being called
basically a criminal, by my Laptop using Windows, with messages such as
"illegal operation". Bought Corel Linux based on Debian. After spending
a month trying to figure out how to install this thing (luckily, I was
really sick with a bad case of cold), found out that I can not install
it on my laptop. Turned to my sons old PC NEC Ready 60, and gave it a
new name:
This will be my MLINUX machine (mean linux machine). After a nightmare
and at least (35 installations or attempts) that lasted several weeks
this is where I am: I installed one copy of linux to my C: drive and one
to my D: drive. The idea was that if I manage to get one crashed I will
simply use the other one, (maybe try to fix the first one with it -
remember I do not really know a lot?) My principal copy was on C: drive.
My "backup" is on D: drive. I got them both running reasonable well. I
had only one problem left: RAM. I have 104M, and machine thought I had
64M. This is where append="mem=104M" in etc/lilo.conf became an option
to try. Last time I tried it I got a bad crash from which could not
recover. (That was what gave me the idea of the two copies). This time I
tried it on my "backup" copy. It did work as far as RAM but boy am I in
a mess now. I can not get my C: copy to run. D: copy I can barely get to
too. It is now for some reason my first "suggested" choice and my C:
copy is linux a2 in the lilo window. When I try to run a2 all I get is a 
flashing "-" cursor. Pressing ctrl alt del gets me back to lilo window.
Choosing "Linux" everything goes well until "Checking file system" ,
then I get some text scrolling. The text has a black line horizontally
across it. Them I get a message that "fsck failed" fix manually or press
ctrl D to resume (you guess which one I choose?). ctrl D gets me to
workable copy on my D: drive from where I am sending this SOS message.
On my laptop I have windows 98 and I am still resisting to go there.
With all the trouble I went through (and all I still probably will go
through) I am becoming more and more attached to linux, as I slowly
learn its intricacies. But a thought went through my mind. Linux is
supposed to be a free software. Is Debian really free? Is it free if
only programming elite can use it? Or are we mousemen really retarded
now after prolonged use of windows? Attached are my messy etc/lilo.conf
files. One with root at dev/hda2 is my C: copy. Please help. I do not
dare to do anything on my own anymore. If any debian expert lives in
Toronto area I am willing to pay him to get my mlinux machine in a
perfect order. Thank you for help. Val.boot=/dev/hda

install=/boot/cboot.b
message = /boot/splash.lilo
map=/boot/map
compact
prompt
delay=300
timeout=300
image=/vmlinuz
label=[]_{}
vga=0xf04
append="no-scroll mem=104M"
root=/dev/hdb2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz-debug
label={}~VGA_mode
vga=normal
append="3 mem=104M"
root=/dev/hdb2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz
label={}~Console
vga=normal
append="1 mem=104M"
root=/dev/hdb2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz-debug
label={}~Debug
vga=normal
append="mem=104M"
root=/dev/hdb2
read-only
other=/dev/hda2
label=[]_{}~a2
boot=/dev/hda1

install=/boot/cboot.b
message = /boot/splash.lilo
map=/boot/map
compact
prompt
delay=50
timeout=300
image=/vmlinuz
label=[]_{}
vga=0xf04
append="no-scroll mem=104M"
root=/dev/hda2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz-debug
label={}~VGA_mode
vga=normal
append="3 mem=104M"
root=/dev/hda2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz
label={}~Console
vga=normal
append="1 mem=104M"
root=/dev/hda2
read-only
image=/vmlinuz-debug
label={}~Debug
vga=normal
append="mem=104M"
root=/dev/hda2
read-only
other=/dev/hdb2
label=[]_{}~b2

Re: Group for /dev/cdrom, Does not work for me :-(, addendum