Re: Telnet automatizado
El viernes 07 de abril de 2000 a la(s) 21:04:52 +0200, Javier Fdz-Sanguino Pen~a contaba: Y una recomendación... es un *gran* agujero de seguridad así que recomiendo que se defina muy bien donde se instala... cualquiera que capture la password que se pasa en la red (que creo que no tiene soporte de encripatción) podrá acceder a la máquina Tengo un lindo .txt donde detallan (en un perfecto inglés, eso sí) cómo pasar el VNC a través de ssh, aunque haya un firewall por medio. No lo he leído, pero tiene buena pinta. ftp://ftp.cyberchat2000.com/pub/doc/vnc-thru-firewall-via-ssh.txt -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.14 - Reg. User #87069 lynx -dump http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_dsspubkey.asc | gpg --import - Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgpTWuRf9hb0Y.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help: Error cargando nuevo kernel
El viernes 07 de abril de 2000 a la(s) 22:13:10 +0200, Antonio Castro contaba: Warning: unable to open an initial console Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. En /usr/src/linux/init/main.c se puede apreciar al final: if (open(/dev/console, O_RDWR, 0) 0) printk(Warning: unable to open an initial console.\n); [...] execve(/sbin/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/etc/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/bin/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/bin/sh,argv_init,envp_init); panic(No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel.); Supongo que esto es de perogrullo, pero quizá no tienes montada la partición correcta. Mírate el 'man rdev'. O puedes intentar probar a pasarle la opción init= al kernel ;^). [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.14 - Reg. User #87069 lynx -dump http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_dsspubkey.asc | gpg --import - Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgp1Xxz4pW01W.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Help: Error cargando nuevo kernel
On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Hue-Bond wrote: El viernes 07 de abril de 2000 a la(s) 22:13:10 +0200, Antonio Castro conta= ba: Warning: unable to open an initial console Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init=3D option to kernel. En /usr/src/linux/init/main.c se puede apreciar al final: if (open(/dev/console, O_RDWR, 0) 0) printk(Warning: unable to open an initial console.\n); [...] execve(/sbin/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/etc/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/bin/init,argv_init,envp_init); execve(/bin/sh,argv_init,envp_init); panic(No init found. Try passing init=3D option to kernel.); Supongo que esto es de perogrullo, pero quiz=E1 no tienes montada la partici=F3n correcta. M=EDrate el 'man rdev'. O puedes intentar probar a pasarle la opci=F3n init=3D al kernel ;^). Pero que opcion es esa y como se mete eso en el disco de rescate de Debian. No localizo información sobre init= en ningún sitio. Se supone que será init igual a algo no ? Un poco antes de este error dice lo siguiente: . . RAMDISK: Compressed image found al block 0 NTFS version 990411 VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). HPFS: hpfs_read_super: Not HPFS VFS: Mounted root (ntfs filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to umount old root ... okay Freeing unused kernel memory: 52k freed Warning: unable to open an initial console. Kernel panic: No init found. Try passing init= option to kernel. Repito que se trata del disco de rescate de Debian. Es decir el montaje de la partición real lo está intentando sobre ramdisc. El fichero 'root.bin' del disco de rescate de Debian no lo toco. Solo he sustituido el kernel 'linux' por otro kernel compilado por mi estáticamente (sin módulos). Las opciones de compilación del kernel que he utilizado son: CONFIG_M586TSC=y CONFIG_X86_WP_WORKS_OK=y CONFIG_X86_INVLPG=y CONFIG_X86_BSWAP=y CONFIG_X86_POPAD_OK=y CONFIG_X86_TSC=y CONFIG_1GB=y CONFIG_SMP=y CONFIG_PCI=y CONFIG_PCI_GOANY=y CONFIG_PCI_BIOS=y CONFIG_PCI_DIRECT=y CONFIG_PCI_QUIRKS=y CONFIG_PCI_OLD_PROC=y CONFIG_X86_IO_APIC=y CONFIG_X86_LOCAL_APIC=y CONFIG_SYSVIPC=y CONFIG_BSD_PROCESS_ACCT=y CONFIG_SYSCTL=y CONFIG_BINFMT_AOUT=y CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF=y CONFIG_BINFMT_MISC=y CONFIG_PARPORT=y CONFIG_PNP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_FD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDE=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDISK=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDECD=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDESCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_CMD640=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RZ1000=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEPCI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_IDEDMA=y CONFIG_IDEDMA_AUTO=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_LOOP=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_MD=y CONFIG_MD_STRIPED=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_RAM=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_INITRD=y CONFIG_PARIDE_PARPORT=y CONFIG_BLK_CPQ_DA=y CONFIG_SCSI=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SD=y CONFIG_CHR_DEV_ST=y CONFIG_BLK_DEV_SR=y CONFIG_CHR_DEV_SG=y CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y CONFIG_SCSI_CONSTANTS=y CONFIG_SCSI_LOGGING=y CONFIG_SCSI_AIC7XXX=y CONFIG_AIC7XXX_CMDS_PER_DEVICE=8 CONFIG_AIC7XXX_RESET_DELAY=5 CONFIG_SCSI_DC390T=y CONFIG_VT=y CONFIG_VT_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_SERIAL=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTYS=y CONFIG_UNIX98_PTY_COUNT=256 CONFIG_MOUSE=y CONFIG_FAT_FS=y CONFIG_ISO9660_FS=y CONFIG_JOLIET=y CONFIG_MINIX_FS=y CONFIG_NTFS_FS=y CONFIG_HPFS_FS=y CONFIG_PROC_FS=y CONFIG_DEVPTS_FS=y CONFIG_EXT2_FS=y CONFIG_SYSV_FS=y CONFIG_BSD_DISKLABEL=y CONFIG_NLS=y CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_437=y CONFIG_NLS_CODEPAGE_850=y CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_1=y CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_2=y CONFIG_NLS_ISO8859_15=y CONFIG_VGA_CONSOLE=y CONFIG_VIDEO_SELECT=y Con un disco de rescate distinto de de Debian si arranca perfectamente. Concretamente con el de TOMSTRTB. [EMAIL PROTECTED] --=20 Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.14 - Reg. User #87= 069 lynx -dump http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_dsspubkey.asc | gpg --impor= t - Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spre= ad! Saludos Antonio Castro +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ /\ /\ Ciberdroide Informatica (tienda linux) \\W// http://www.ciberdroide.com _|0 0|_ +-oOOO--(___o___)--OOOo--+ | . . . . U U . . . . Antonio Castro Snurmacher !! Nueva direccion email !! | | http://slug.ctv.es/~acastro. - - - - [EMAIL PROTECTED] | +()()()--()()()--+ +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+ (((Donde Linux)))http://www.ciberdroide.com/misc/donde/dondelinux.html +--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+--+
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Hola a todos: Estoy intentando configurar un servidor para que solo permita acceso a internet a un subgrupo de ordenadores, el problema es que no estan en subredes, sino que serian las máquinas de la 192.168.0.100 a la 192.168.0.116, para ello lo tendre que hacer con ip-chains ¿no?, y supongo que para cada una de las máquinas, o hay alguna manera de dar un rango de direcciones?, por más que he mirado no encuentro nada de eso, o tendria mejor que dividir la red en subredes tipo 192.168.1.x 192.168.2.x, etc. El router ademas de ip-masq tiene un proxy (squid), ¿con las reglas que establezca con ip-chains me vale para el proxy o tengo que restringir también en le proxy?... He leido que se puede hacer el proxy transparente, redireccionando al puerto del proxy las conexiones http... ¿Alguien lo ha probado? Perdón por tanta pregunta. Gracias por adelantado. -- Saludos. Antonio.
Re: Help: Error cargando nuevo kernel
El sábado 08 de abril de 2000 a la(s) 09:33:49 +0200, Antonio Castro contaba: Pero que opcion es esa y como se mete eso en el disco de rescate de Debian. No localizo informaci?n sobre init= en ning?n sitio. Se supone que ser? init igual a algo no ? Sí, init=/path/to/init, pero tu problema es otro. Había una página man con los parámetros del núcleo, pero no me acuerdo. VFS: Mounted root (minix filesystem). HPFS: hpfs_read_super: Not HPFS VFS: Mounted root (ntfs filesystem) readonly. change_root: old root has d_count=1 Trying to umount old root ... okay Si no me equivoco, el núcleo está montando una partición, luego monta otra y desmonta la primera. Como resultado, queda con una partición NTFS como root donde evidentemente no hay ni /dev/console ni /sbin/init ni nada de nada. La solución rápida es poner un núcleo sin soporte NTFS o como módulo, que supongo que no es lo que quieres. [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Just do it. David Serrano [EMAIL PROTECTED]Linux 2.2.14 - Reg. User #87069 lynx -dump http://www.ctv.es/USERS/fserrano/pgp_dsspubkey.asc | gpg --import - Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! pgpHGjCEXtItu.pgp Description: PGP signature
apt-get update offline??? [Solucionado]
Buenas... Al final he conseguido hacer lo que quería y ya tengo la lista de paquetes actualizada sin haber tenido que conectarla a internet :) La idea está sacada en parte del `apt-move' y era más facil de lo que pensaba. Ni siquiera he tenido que tocar los ficheros `Packages.gz' originales. Adjunto una chuleta por si le interesa a alguien. Estoy haciendo un par de scripts para automatizar todo el proceso, así que si a alguien le interesan, que me lo diga y se los mando cuando los tenga listos. Hasta luego. Chuleta-apt-offline.gz Description: chuleta-apt-offline -- David Muriel. Debian GNU/Linux woody + Emacs 20.5.2 + Gnus v5.8.3 Linux registered user #25632 (http://counter.li.org/) ...El trabajo en equipo es esencial...te permite echarle la culpa a otro
System.map
Buenas...
Desde hace algún tiempo me vienen apareciendo estos mensajes al hacer
un `ps' o un `top':
skywalker:~$ ps
{sk_run_filter} {sk_run_filter_R__ver_sk_run_filter}
Warning: /usr/src/linux/System.map does not match kernel data.
PID TTY TIME CMD
273 pts/000:00:00 bash
277 pts/000:00:00 ps
Me empezaron a aparecer al actualizar de slink a potato. El kernel que
estoy utilizando es el 2.2.14 y con slink no me salían estos
mensajes. El `System.map' sólo está en /usr/src/linux y el kernel es
el último que compilé, es decir, que el `System-map' debería ser el
que generó esa última vez.
De todas formas no parece que pase nada raro por esto, pero molestan
un poco estos mensajes. Además hace un rato han dejado de salir, pero
al arrancar la máquina otra vez, han vuelto a salir.
Gracias por adelantado.
Hasta luego.
--
David Muriel.
Debian GNU/Linux woody + Emacs 20.5.2 + Gnus v5.8.3
Linux registered user #25632 (http://counter.li.org/)
Linux is userfriendly,
but is only a bit selective about its friends :-)
Re: Off Topic: Chipset y AMD
BUENOS DIAS!!! Y entonces, va Angel Vicente Perez y dice ¿Off Topic: Chipset y AMD? Hola a todos... Tengo encima de mi mesa un ordenador asi: 1 slot AMR (no se lo que es) Es un enchufe, para winmodems, wintarjetas de sonido y cosas asi. -- Mucha gente vive porque es delito matarla Grettings of _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] REGISTER Lic. Piloto Saludos __ _| |___ __ _ [EMAIL PROTECTED] LiNUX ISPA #963210 de / _` | / -_) _` | http://pagina.de/alea USER EC-ALE \__,_|_\___\__,_| ICQ#40922797 #66734
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Brendan Cully wrote: - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. Ahh, this I don't quite understand. I always donwloaded my mail from a POP3 server, and then had Netscape sort it into various inboxes. I thought, that I would now use fetchmail to get my mail from the POP3 server (actually from more than one) and have it all appended to my mailbox in /var/spool/mail and the MUA would then process it appropriatly. So where does procmail come into the game? I guess, I should go read the Networking-Overview-HOWTO and the Mail-HOWTO, but I still have those various LDP guides on my agenda. :( MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: modules
Brad wrote: 3. Never used make-kpkg modules_image. In fact the modules are included in the kernel image and will be installed into the correct directory. (**) Modules like pcmcia, alsa, etc. Didn't know that. 4. I think, it should be dpkg -i kernel_image-* Haven't done this in a while? ;) While I was referring to dpkg -i kernel-SOURCE-* in the original post, I got confused with the underscore. (*) So the package management knows that kernel_image is the package name. Hyphems are not permitted in a package name. Hmmm... then there are a LOT of packages that have non-permitted names. Do a dlocate -l - or dpkg -l \*-\* sometime. Actually, i think underscores aren't allowed in package names, because the naming convention uses an underscore character to separate the package name from the version. To sum it all up: You got me big time! :) I was writing from the top of my head, and it looks like my memory played some dirty tricks on me. I confused that with the rule, that only alphanumerics and + and . are allowed in the revision number. Anyway, thanks for clearing up my mind. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Richard Taylor wrote: On 4/6/2000, 7:31:18 PM, Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say I recently switched my working environment from Windows to Debian only and I've been using Netscape Mail so far. And I *hate* it! Me too, it's too slow! :} Tried 6? Arrgg! Don't even get me started. It's dog slow and -- excuse me -- the default skin looks like shit! Can't wait to get my hands on M15 though, I've been following the Milestone releases ever since 9 and I am *impressed* by the way they've come. It does only get better. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: modules
Chanop Silpa-Anan wrote: Once upon a time, I heard Viktor Rosenfeld say (**) I never understood why dpkg -i bitches about the fact that you install the same kernel version as the currently running kernel. It justifies it with possible confusion in /lib/modules/version, but that's what I don't get. Newly compiled modules will overwrite the old, and older kernel modules should still load perfectly, because they're for the same kernel-version. What's the big deal then? Let's say you turn off apm, and remove some modules. If your old module with apm get loaded, ummm, I don't what's going to happen. May be nothing serious would happen. I've never tried it before (and I am to lazy to compile a new kernel, just to try it out), but I think modprobe/insmod would complain about unresolved references and ... and that would be it. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: Connecting to the internet Problems
James Nelson writes: Are there any debian specific instructions out there to explain how to connect to your isp. Yes: the man pages for pon, poff, and pppconfig. Post your /etc/chatscripts/provider and /etc/ppp/peers/provider files (remove passwords) and the output of the 'plog' command. You haven't given us enough information to help you. We need to know *exactly* what you did and *exactly* what happened. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Hallo Viktor! Viktor Rosenfeld schrieb am Samstag, dem 08. April 2000: Brendan Cully wrote: - Can Mutt automatically move incoming mail into different folders? sort of. usually that's done with procmail. but you could probably use the push command and folder hooks to move things when you open your spool. I personally use procmail on my IMAP server. Ahh, this I don't quite understand. I always donwloaded my mail from a POP3 server, and then had Netscape sort it into various inboxes. I thought, that I would now use fetchmail to get my mail from the POP3 server (actually from more than one) and have it all appended to my mailbox in /var/spool/mail and the MUA would then process it appropriatly. So where does procmail come into the game? Fetchmail fetches the mails from the imap|pop3 server and hands it on to your MTA (exim or sendmail or such). Your MTA will put the mail into your mailbox or, if configured right hand each mail over to procmail which will sort the mails into one or more folders (or do other interesting stuff with them). Your MUA will just read the mails (and then move them around again if you want :) yours, peter -- http://www.cosy.sbg.ac.at/~ppalfrad
Re: Mutt questions (Was: Looking for a good mail program)
Peter Palfrader wrote: Fetchmail fetches the mails from the imap|pop3 server and hands it on to your MTA (exim or sendmail or such). Your MTA will put the mail into your mailbox or, if configured right hand each mail over to procmail which will sort the mails into one or more folders (or do other interesting stuff with them). Your MUA will just read the mails (and then move them around again if you want :) This explanation puts a lot of emphasis on what I've just said: I got a lot of reading to do. :) Anyway, thanks for the clarification. MfG Viktor -- Viktor Rosenfeld E-Mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] HertzSCHLAG:http://www.informatik.hu-berlin.de/~rosenfel/hs/
Re: clone a debian installation
I have done this many times, the route I take is: dpkg --get-selections packages.dpkg on master machine dpkg --set-selections packages.dpkg on new machine remember to move the packages file to the new machine. Syd - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: debian-user@lists.debian.org Sent: Friday, April 07, 2000 13:30 Subject: clone a debian installation Dear list, at our Company we've set up a debian box (slink) to provide several services to the LAN. During a period of trial and error we ran dselect a couple of times installing and purging packages from the stable Debian archive.Now we plan to keep another machine with the same installations in the back in case of hardware failure. For some reasons we declined copying directory trees or ,even more low-level, partition images. We'd like to provide the Debian install media (NFS, ftp, cdrom) somewhere and use dpkg or dselect to create an installation with the same packages as on the orig machine. (So that ,say, dpkg --list would produce the same output on the machines.) Is there a way to do this in an _automated_ (prefereably unattended) way ? Greetings, Markus Markus Stausberg InfoLytics AG Marktstrasse 8 50968 Koeln Germany Tel.:(+49) (0)221 3405846 -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Netscape 4.5 refuses to work!!
Hi! I have installed Debian 'slink' distribution, with kernel 2.2.5, XFree86 3.3.6 (special for 'slink'), KDE 1.1.2 (default window manager) and Netscape 4.5 for 'slink'. When I'm browsing for a long time (about 2 hours), the browser refuses to work: I write an address in the URL bar, but this it's ignored: a blank page is displayed. I have increased the swap partition up to 32 MB (formerly it was 16 MB) and the problem persists. I use the 'kppp' program (of KDE) to establish an Internet connection and launch Netscape. What's wrong?Also, How I can install Netscape 4.72 (without upgrading to 'potato')? Can I install Netscape 4.72 from 'potato', installing libc6 2.1 only in 'slink'? Please, sendyour reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much in advance!!
Netscape 4.5 refuses to work!!
Hi! I have installed Debian 'slink' distribution, with kernel 2.2.5, XFree86 3.3.6 (special for 'slink'), KDE 1.1.2 (default window manager) and Netscape 4.5 for 'slink'. When I'm browsing for a long time (about 2 hours), the browser refuses to work: I write an address in the URL bar, but this it's ignored: a blank page is displayed. I have increased the swap partition up to 32 MB (formerly it was 16 MB) and the problem persists. I use the 'kppp' program (of KDE) to establish an Internet connection and launch Netscape. What's wrong?Also, How I can install Netscape 4.72 (without upgrading to 'potato')? Can I install Netscape 4.72 from 'potato', installing libc6 2.1 only in 'slink'? Please, sendyour reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much in advance!!
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Re: apt-get and personal data
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, David Wright wrote: What I'm telling you is that that is not all right. I'm sure you'll be able to turn up references to our Data Protection Act (the old and the new) on the web. You may be surprised by them. Does it mean that if I want to download software -- like Sybase or Oracle, dev. version -- from the Internet in which I have to provide my personal information on their websites, basically the procedure is unlawful. Or there _is_ a difference between putting information on a website (via HTML forms) and in a local file (?). Eventually the data will be put in the websites, but according to the law, the second one is basically wrong. Or it just means that the Europeans are just weird (this would be surprising for me, indeed). Oki
Re: FreeWWWeb
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: I don't remember exactly what I did to get mine going, but I did wind up having to use minicom to figure out what was happening. Then I think I had to make an entry in pap-secrets for freewwweb (I can't currently access that box to look around at the moment, so I'm having to do this by (poor) memory). Thanks, but I don't know minicom that good to use PAP scripts. I cannot just let it call the number, and I get a login screen, but that rejects everything I try. pap-secrets has an entry in it for freewwweb, but still it doesn't work. I got my freewwweb account working using CHAP. I only have this for backup for my flakey @home account and haven't used it much since I set it up. @home went out the other night and I tried it and it no longer accepts my login. @home came back on before I farted around with it too much so I'm not sure what changed. I got signed off the deb-devel mailing list because of bounces to my freewwweb mail account, and I can only pop home my mail one time out of three (failed password) so I think they are going through some problems. Too bad because most of the other free services don't support Linux -- you have to run Windows/Mac and put up with the advertising bars. Oh well. Perhaps soon they'll get the wrinkles out of broadband over power lines.
Re: no wonder...
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Kent West wrote: 2. Would the list members please stop ragging on newbies just because the newbie expresses some frustration at not knowing how to accomplish something? It's not that I think saying this is difficult is not enough; it doesn't provide new information (which would be useful for the software developers). IMHO, it would have been better by saying: dselect is disgusting to use, very user unfriendly, doesn't show any elegant design, and makes my dog yawning by looking at it. But of course, it has to be followed up with explanations of the things that could be improved, or at least with something that the complainer would like to have or see. Oki ps: Sure, then the developers would simply say: if you don't like it, then feel free to write a new one by yourself. :-)
Re: no wonder...
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Richard Taylor wrote: My mileage varies. I find that the program simplifies what can be a vastly more difficult process... that of tracking dependencies, versions, file locations, etc, etc... It does it fairly well and it does it accurately. I think the problem in dselect that it doesn't show the dependency tree. The listing of the packages is useful, of course, but it's just a list. Oki ps: my mileage on dselect is 0.5 mile.
Re: no wonder...
On 7 Apr, Kent West wrote: Richard Taylor wrote: On 4/6/2000, 9:03:41 PM, Oki DZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: no On 5 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder people say that Debian is the most difficult Unix-clone distro to install and use... ... Another thing, is the dselect program: it is quite difficult to use... As compared to something like... say... notepad? What's difficult about selecting things from a menu? I really shouldn't add to the noise on this thread, but I'm going to anyway. 1. Nothing's difficult about selecting things from a menu. It's when those selections bring up other screens wanting to add/delete other things, which affect other things, which makes the user want to get out, and none of the keystrokes seem to work like a beginner (not someone who has read the docs and EXPERIENCED the experience) would expect. There's just a host of things that are difficult about deselect and apt. There's a host of good about these products also; they're just not intuitive for the non-initiated. I agree that this probably isn't the most appropriate forum for discussing ways to improve on dselect but, like Kent West, since this is where this thread has been developing, I will have my say on it here as well. I now use dselect quite a bit and think it is wonderfully capable and helpful and is probably one of the best things about debian, but it wasn't always so. When I first tried to use it I was to the point of accusing it of being a work of the devil. So, let me suggest what I think are the biggest problems with it for the beginner. I think the biggest problem may also be the simplest to remedy, and that is that the help menu on keystrokes is too cryptic and isn't out where you can see it when you need it the most. The very most important keystrokes are buried down at the bottom, and probably have not been memorized by the beginner before he begins, namely, X, Esc and R. The beginner needs to be fully aware of these and the need to back out if he gets in over his head, before he is committed beyond redemption. A more verbose list of commands with some of the more important ones a little more prominent would be very helpful to the beginner and if it were possible to have the commands listed on the screen at the same time as one is attempting to use the commands rather than having to memorize them or write them down, that would be even more helpful. Another thing that would be very helpful (and perhaps it exists and I just have not yet found it) would be an easy way to just back up to where one was a moment before, but not all the way to the beginning. So, say you see a package on the list that you think you might like to install, and so you hit the + key. Then you find that it requires about 300 other packages that you don't have installed, and some of them conflict with others that you do have installed and are more important to you than this new one that you just decided to try. What you would like would be a sort of a back button or an undo that would just back-step one step at a time. Now, as I said, maybe it already exists, but if it does, a beginner certainly wouldn't easily find it by looking at the keystroke help page. So then he is left with the choice of either slogging ahead into potentially dangerous territory, or of quitting and losing everything that he had done up till then and just starting over. It would be very useful to be able to see just how complicated a problem you are about to get yourself into before you commit yourself and then to back out gracefully if that seems wiser than going ahead. Another thing that would be really nice would be a way to see the packages listed in the same order more than just one time in a row. By that I mean that, when you first update your list of available packages, then go to the select menu, you will see a list of the packages which have changed up near the top of the list. But if you go to making some selections, and then make a mistake somewhere along the line, or if you just quit after only doing half the job you would like to do, and then restart dselect later, you will never see that same list again. Those packages that were listed near the top once, will in the future be integrated into the long long list of packages, some in the list of packages that are installed and some in the list of packages that are not installed. It would just be really nice to get a second shot at that list that you saw the first time. Now this has already gone far too long, and I don't know if this long winded listing of beginner problems as I see them sounds familiar to anyone else or if these are just my own peculiarities, but these are the things that I found to be problems when I was new to Debian. In fact, even though I use dselect often, now, I still don't really use many of the keystroke commands it offers because of two things: a) they aren't on the screen as a
Re: Connecting to the internet Problems
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, James Nelson wrote: Are there any debian specific instructions out there to explain how to connect to your isp. I have tried using pon,poff,wvdial.nothing works. I always get a message that says (after it dials) no host found, and then it will redial. I know i'm calling the right number I can hear it trying to connect and then I get an error and it calls again. Help If you use pppconfig, and your ISP uses PAP for logging in, try to remove remote hostname (it's in the advanced menu). Oki
Reply to Donald's Speech on dselect
I second you in your intention to write a dselect howto, as well as in the other statements (back button, floating menu window, etc). Good luck, Antonio. BTW, it is hard to reply to you, since you don't show your name nor address. You need a back button. * Donald's Speech Follows: rom: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: no wonder... To: debian-user@lists.debian.org In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sender: Donald MacDougall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Resent-From: debian-user@lists.debian.org X-Mailing-List: debian-user@lists.debian.org archive/latest/88437 X-Loop: debian-user@lists.debian.org Precedence: list Resent-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On 7 Apr, Kent West wrote: Richard Taylor wrote: On 4/6/2000, 9:03:41 PM, Oki DZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: no On 5 Apr 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No wonder people say that Debian is the most difficult Unix-clone distro to install and use... ... Another thing, is the dselect program: it is quite difficult to use... As compared to something like... say... notepad? What's difficult about selecting things from a menu? I really shouldn't add to the noise on this thread, but I'm going to anyway. 1. Nothing's difficult about selecting things from a menu. It's when those selections bring up other screens wanting to add/delete other things, which affect other things, which makes the user want to get out, and none of the keystrokes seem to work like a beginner (not someone who has read the docs and EXPERIENCED the experience) would expect. There's just a host of things that are difficult about deselect and apt. There's a host of good about these products also; they're just not intuitive for the non-initiated. I agree that this probably isn't the most appropriate forum for discussing ways to improve on dselect but, like Kent West, since this is where this thread has been developing, I will have my say on it here as well. I now use dselect quite a bit and think it is wonderfully capable and helpful and is probably one of the best things about debian, but it wasn't always so. When I first tried to use it I was to the point of accusing it of being a work of the devil. So, let me suggest what I think are the biggest problems with it for the beginner. I think the biggest problem may also be the simplest to remedy, and that is that the help menu on keystrokes is too cryptic and isn't out where you can see it when you need it the most. The very most important keystrokes are buried down at the bottom, and probably have not been memorized by the beginner before he begins, namely, X, Esc and R. The beginner needs to be fully aware of these and the need to back out if he gets in over his head, before he is committed beyond redemption. A more verbose list of commands with some of the more important ones a little more prominent would be very helpful to the beginner and if it were possible to have the commands listed on the screen at the same time as one is attempting to use the commands rather than having to memorize them or write them down, that would be even more helpful. Another thing that would be very helpful (and perhaps it exists and I just have not yet found it) would be an easy way to just back up to where one was a moment before, but not all the way to the beginning. So, say you see a package on the list that you think you might like to install, and so you hit the + key. Then you find that it requires about 300 other packages that you don't have installed, and some of them conflict with others that you do have installed and are more important to you than this new one that you just decided to try. What you would like would be a sort of a back button or an undo that would just back-step one step at a time. Now, as I said, maybe it already exists, but if it does, a beginner certainly wouldn't easily find it by looking at the keystroke help page. So then he is left with the choice of either slogging ahead into potentially dangerous territory, or of quitting and losing everything that he had done up till then and just starting over. It would be very useful to be able to see just how complicated a problem you are about to get yourself into before you commit yourself and then to back out gracefully if that seems wiser than going ahead. Another thing that would be really nice would be a way to see the packages listed in the same order more than just one time in a row. By that I mean that, when you first update your list of available packages, then go to the select menu, you will see a list of the packages which have changed up near the top of the list. But if you go to making some selections, and then make a mistake somewhere along the line, or if you just quit after only doing half the job you would like
password
how do u change passwords?
Re: no wonder...
Oki writes: But of course, it has to be followed up with explanations of the things that could be improved, or at least with something that the complainer would like to have or see. Before proceeding to install and remove marked packages dselect (and aptitude) should put up a menu listing all the proposed changes and offering the user the choice of Proceed to install and remove marked packages Edit the changes Reverse all the marks and start over Exit without altering the database -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
debian distribution
Hi, my question is simple. When can we expect to see the new Debian distribution out. It has already been over a year since the last release. Any time soon?? Thanks Mike Jennings
Re: Fooling apt-get about new kernel?
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 10:41:24AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote: Hi, How to temporarily trick apt-get not to try to install the new kernel 2.2.14-3 until I have got the time to build a new one based on the most recent sources, 2.2.14-4? I have an smp system, patched for gart, and my current kernel is based on the 2.2.14-2 source, version 2.2.14-2smp. Since the distributed kernel is newer, 2.2.14-3, this version should naturally be installed if I did not have an smp system. Of course, since the base versions are 2.2.14, you can always answer no every time to the install script. Better solutions? What about Debian distributing smp kernels? Other distributions do! I'd say compile your own kernels with debian's kernel-package and use epochs in the revision: $ fakeroot make-kpkg --revision=2:smp.1.2 kernel_images Why Debian doesn't distribute smp kernels, I don't know. I guess they figure if you have an smp machine, you'll want to recompile the kernel anyway. Their default kernels are probably only compiled for 486's, so you'd see a few performance gains just compiling it for a 586 or 686. -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | ++
New Octave .deb packages for installing both 2.0.* and 2.1.*
I prepared the text below to announce this to the Debian dupload program, but I think it was taken. CC'ed to the Octave list as well. Feedback by Debian and Octave users on the new packages would be appreciated. Announcing Octave 2.0 and 2.1 packages for Debian This is to announce the upload of new Octave packages for Debian, taken from both the stable octave-2.0.* as well as the development octave-2.1.* branch, to Debian's master archive. Using Debian's update-alternatives mechanism, as well as minor reorganisation of the Octave file tree which John Eaton kindly provided in the upstream sources, permits to install *both* at the same time providing two main binaries octave2.0 and octave2.1 as well as the alternative octave which defaults to the stable 2.0 branch. The adjunct packages for Emacs support, info docs, html docs and ps docs are also versioned. With this mechanism, Debian allows for the stability of the 2.0.* release (and thereby provides continued support for legacy applications in Octave which could break by subtle, but important, changes in Octave 2.1). At same time, it finally introduces the newer Octave 2.1.* which is the centre of current development into Debian. The transition might introduce a few bugs, but the package layout and build process has undergone some testing over the last few weeks. As these are new packages as far as the Debian archive is concerned, it might be a few days until they show up in unstable aka woody, Debian's current development distribution. -- According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.
apt-get
http://www.zdnet.co.uk/news/2000/13/ns-14670.html: Darwin 1.0 is a bootable version of the OS X kernel and Berkeley Standard Distribution (BSD) layer. No Quartz, no Carbon, no Cocoa, no Aqua. Darwin has no windowing system of its own and is therefore limited to just a single, text-based console. No vc's...? Darwin ships with a full suite of tools necessary to start development. A gcc 2.7/egcs hybrid compiler is part of the distribution, as are Perl -- 5.6.0 no less! -- and Pico (we all have our biases). Also of note is that Darwin's standard packaging scheme is Debian's, which -- not unlike the BSDs in general -- seems to be well-liked and underpublicized. well-liked?; shouldn't it be technologically more advanced? It seems that Apple has seen the light. What extension would Apple's packages be? .apl? Long ago, on multi-platform NextStep, NeXT devised fat format for the software packages. Since Debian is also available on multiple platforms, I think it would be useful to add this feature to .deb's (and APT, of course). One of the purposes of the fat format was to save some space; ie: the resources files for the available platforms were basically the same. Now, Linux has X applications, which have resources (eg: .png's, .tiff's, or maybe some GUI definition files). I believe that duplications are not needed, and .deb's which understand fat format would be useful. On .deb's that are get downloaded, the feature can be implemented; ftp can start transferring from any byte-offsets after all (just like what apt-get currently does). BTW, having an APT that understand multiple sources (may be defined in Packages.gz) could be nice too. Think about the (future) proliferation of JavaBeans; a browser, or an IDE dev. tool might need the .jar files that are located here and there. With multiple sources, www.debian.org doesn't have to store all the available Debian packages existing on Earth. It would give freedom to the software developers too; there could be several JavaBeans classes that have the same functions (behaviors?). A developer could choose that a particular JavaBeans from a particular site is more suitable for his/her Beans products; and the links are included in the .deb file. Oki
Re: password
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:47:40PM -0700, Beavis wrote: how do u change passwords? Suprisingly enough, passwd. -- ++ | Eric G. Milleregm2@jps.net | | GnuPG public key: http://www.jps.net/egm2/gpg.asc | ++
Re: password
If you are super-user and want to change user's password # passwd user or change your own password $ passwd - Original Message - From: Beavis To: debian list Sent: Saturday, April 08, 2000 8:47 AM Subject: password how do u change passwords?
Re: no wonder...
which makes the user want to get out, and none of the keystrokes seem to work like a beginner (not someone who has read the docs and EXPERIENCED the experience) would expect. There's just a host of things that are difficult about deselect and apt. AMEN! I just reformated the HD with Debian and am going to try again. All due to the dselect NOT installing what I want. I enter the path to the HD partition that has the entire Debian CD on it and it is mounted and it STILL refuses to load. I do highlight the package that I want and press the bloody + key and I go add the bloody dependent packages and it still flipping doesn't load Jack Squat much less Perl. I do not profess to be Linux guru with only 4 Linux installs on my home machines but am willing to match IQ points with any of you out there. There has to be a better way. There's a host of good about these products also; they're just not intuitive for the non-initiated. What could be more intuitive? Something that works. Your statement highlights the reason that when I ask for directions on how to drive somewhere, I will NOT ask someone that has lived there all their life but a relative new person. The person that has been there for all of their life _ASS_U_ME_s that you know what they learned several years ago. More intuitive is relevant How intuitive is the IVP rate for Furosemide on a CHF/COPD pt b/n PRBC units or what lab value to watch before giving? Hint: it is a diuretic. And yes I have bought read the f manual(ORA's cow book) it still doesn't work as advertised. dselect's interface needs work, NOT the logic.
Re: no wonder...
On Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 01:41:56PM -0500, Kent West wrote: 1. Nothing's difficult about selecting things from a menu. It's when those selections bring up other screens wanting to add/delete other things, which affect other things, which makes the user want to get out, and none of the keystrokes seem to work like a beginner (not someone who has read the docs and EXPERIENCED the experience) would expect. There's just a host of things that are difficult about deselect and apt. There's a host of good about these products also; they're just not intuitive for the non-initiated. Hi--I'm semi-initiated now but still find it puzzling, confusing, frustrating and non-intuitive, when I tell dselect, no thanks, I don't want that spelling dictionary you say I need, and dselect then informs me, okay, it's about to remove Mutt, then -- not quite the outcome I was going for :-) -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve.
Re: ftp / ip_masq_ftp
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: HI Hi i am still having problems ftp'ing behind a slink masquariding firewall. I have added the module ip_masq_ftp to the kernel but that doesn't appear to have resolved anything... Do I still need a proxy?? or shall i use squid to proxy being that it is in the DMZ? Do other ports masquerade correctly, ie. 80 (http), 22 (telnet)? If not, have you turned on ip_masquerading for your kernel? I don't mean compiling it in, there's a file in /proc (I don't remember exactly where) you have to twiddle with to turn it on, something like /proc/net/ipv4/all/ip_forward (?). At least it's that way with 2.2 kernels, I forget about 2.0. Any help would be great. Hope this helps, you shouldn't need a proxy, unless you want to cache data as well. -- Ashley Clark pgpC8AZ89wfqg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: no wonder...
On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 08:48:18AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Richard Taylor wrote: My mileage varies. I find that the program simplifies what can be a vastly more difficult process... that of tracking dependencies, versions, file locations, etc, etc... It does it fairly well and it does it accurately. Which doesn't explain why there is a project to create a better top-level package management tool called apt? :) I think the problem in dselect that it doesn't show the dependency tree. The listing of the packages is useful, of course, but it's just a list. Agreed; it's a plain list, which can be viewed in various ways. What I think would be better would be the ability to collapse parts of the list that you're not viewing, like a directory tree. Then you come to the actual conflict resolution part. Possibly it'd be great if it could detect these conflicts in real-time (I guess this might not be trivial or speedy to implement), and prompt you. For example, you select a package and it pops up saying This package also requires: foo bar baz wibble snafu... do you wish to install them as well or cancel installation of xyz? This lets you select/cancel the whole operation (and it is one operation really, after all.. people just say grr.. need that as well.. alright so it's not really an independent choice anyway.) For conflicts, This package conflicts with the following: foo baz. Do you wish to proceed (removing those packages), or cancel this install? [y/n] Recommendations and suggestions are a little more difficult (since it's something people are more likely to pick and choose over) but still quite doable and could be simpler IMO. Even if we don't do it real time, we could let people see the conflict list better (it's not very obvious what is happening there), by grouping what packages are required by existing choices etc. A number of times I've been unsure of exactly what requires what and how I should resolve it, and just ended up cancelling the lot and starting from scratch due to just one change I'm confused about. Just to forestall the if you want it write it yourself and We're volunteers, don't complain flames: I appreciate it all, I just think it can be improved too :) If I understood all Debian's package flags better, I might have a crack at it myself some time. -- loki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dare I disturb the universe? You bet I do! :)
Re: FreeWWWeb
On Fri, 07 Apr 2000 16:59:16 -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I got my freewwweb account working using CHAP. I only have this for backup for my flakey @home account and haven't used it much since I set it up. @home went out the other night and I tried it and it no longer accepts my login. @home came back on before I farted around with it too much so I'm not sure what changed. I believe there is a requirement that you use it a certain number of hours per month or they with shut the account down. I can't remember what the time is. I've signed up for this, and it worked for me just by setting it up under pppconfig using PAP. I had a problem with a Newcom modem that I finally got rid of. I couldn't connect at all with it. With a 3COM externall, it works great. -- Marc http://www.matwreck.org/marc
ntpdate: socket in use
Well, I've been trying to update my clock to the local kerberos servers, but it doesn't work. leko:/home/aarons#rdate kerberos.andrew.cmu.edu rdate: Could not connect socket: Connection refused leko:/home/aarons#ntpdate kerberos.andrew.cmu.edu 8 Apr 00:22:26 ntpdate[583]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting leko:/home/aarons# What could be causing this? leko:/home/aarons#ps aux USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND root 1 0.3 0.0 1020 464 ?SApr07 0:05 init root 2 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [kflushd] root 3 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [kupdate] root 4 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [kpiod] root 5 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [kswapd] daemon 70 0.0 0.0 1128 420 ?SApr07 0:00 /sbin/portmap root 129 0.0 0.1 1352 632 ?SApr07 0:00 /sbin/syslogd root 131 0.0 0.1 1364 800 ?SApr07 0:00 /sbin/klogd root 135 0.0 0.1 1056 540 ?SApr07 0:00 /sbin/rpc.statd root 137 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [lockd] root 138 0.0 0.0 00 ?SW Apr07 0:00 [rpciod] root 153 0.0 0.1 1300 552 ?SApr07 0:00 /usr/sbin/inetd root 163 0.0 0.1 1352 560 ?SApr07 0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd root 181 0.0 0.2 2040 1180 ?SApr07 0:00 sendmail: accepting connections on port 25 root 189 0.0 0.1 2228 924 ?SApr07 0:00 /usr/sbin/sshd root 194 0.0 0.2 1548 1540 ?SL Apr07 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd root 199 0.0 0.1 2112 976 ?SApr07 0:00 proftpd (accepting connections) root 202 0.0 0.2 2012 1240 tty1 SApr07 0:00 -bash aarons 203 0.0 0.2 1996 1216 tty2 SApr07 0:00 -bash root 204 0.0 0.0 1004 444 tty3 SApr07 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty3 root 205 0.0 0.0 1004 444 tty4 SApr07 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty4 root 206 0.0 0.0 1004 444 tty5 SApr07 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty5 root 207 0.0 0.0 1004 444 tty6 SApr07 0:00 /sbin/getty 38400 tty6 root 208 0.0 0.1 1668 860 ?SApr07 0:00 nmbd -a root 341 0.0 0.0 1160 432 tty1 S00:01 0:00 LCDd -d MtxOrb --contrast 200 root 376 0.6 0.1 1184 536 tty1 S00:02 0:07 lcdproc -s 128.2.148.19 C M T aarons 444 0.0 0.1 1744 820 tty2 S00:03 0:00 sh /usr/bin/X11/startx aarons 452 0.0 0.1 2192 764 tty2 S00:03 0:00 xinit /home/aarons/.xinitrc -- -auth /home/aarons/.Xauthority root 453 1.7 7.8 74688 40424 tty2S00:03 0:20 X :0 -auth /home/aarons/.Xauthority aarons 454 0.0 0.4 3588 2272 tty2 S00:03 0:01 /usr/bin/X11/WindowMaker aarons 455 0.0 0.1 3260 888 tty2 S00:03 0:00 xplanetbg --label --labelpos -1315+0 --markers --random aarons 459 0.0 0.1 2664 988 tty2 SN 00:03 0:00 wmsetbg -helper -d aarons 468 0.0 0.7 6708 3712 tty2 S00:03 0:00 panel aarons 469 0.0 0.9 7908 5160 tty2 S00:03 0:00 gmc aarons 479 0.0 0.2 2528 1216 ?S00:03 0:00 gnome-name-service aarons 487 0.0 0.5 6136 3100 ?S00:03 0:00 gen_util_applet --activate-goad-server gen_util_applet aarons 492 0.0 0.8 7072 4320 ?S00:03 0:00 gnomeicu --activate-goad-server gnomeicu aarons 498 0.0 0.6 4648 3324 tty2 S00:03 0:00 gaim aarons 525 1.2 3.5 24856 18376 tty2S00:04 0:13 /usr/local/netscape/netscape aarons 529 0.0 0.7 16556 3628 tty2 S00:04 0:00 (dns helper) aarons 541 0.0 0.3 3600 2004 tty2 S00:05 0:00 Eterm -T Eterm on leko -b black -f yellow -F -misc-fixed-medium aarons 544 0.0 0.2 1992 1212 pts/0S00:05 0:00 -bash aarons 547 0.0 0.2 2440 1212 pts/0S00:05 0:00 ssh unix15 aarons 550 0.0 0.3 3600 2004 tty2 S00:06 0:00 Eterm -T Eterm on meatball -b black -f yellow -F -misc-fixed-me aarons 553 0.0 0.2 2424 1184 pts/1S00:06 0:00 ssh meatball.res.cmu.edu aarons 558 0.0 0.4 3688 2100 tty2 S00:12 0:00 Eterm -T Eterm on leko -b black -f yellow -F -misc-fixed-medium aarons 561 0.0 0.2 1988 1212 pts/2S00:12 0:00 -bash root 565 0.0 0.2 1996 1224 pts/2S00:13 0:00 bash aarons 574 7.6 0.7 6260 3864 tty2 R00:17 0:25 /usr/bin/gtop root 584 0.0 0.2 2780 1136 pts/2R00:22 0:00 ps aux Also, my system has been a little strange lately, and I don't know what a lot of this running stuff is. If anyone notices anything odd about what my system is running, please tell me! Thanks. -Aaron Solochek [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: password
Subject: password Date: Fri, Apr 07, 2000 at 04:47:40PM -0700 In reply to:Beavis Quoting Beavis([EMAIL PROTECTED]): Beavis how do u change passwords? might start by reading man passwd HTH -- Windows is NOT a virus. Viruses DO something. ___
Re: Multilink PPP
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Tom Warfield wrote: Alright I know that its out there. Tom W. Take a look at mp.mansol.net.au. The page says that he has discontinued development, so I'm not at all sure where we go from here. I would like to do multilink with 2.3.99-pre3 and ppp_2.3.11. Does anyone know if that will work? =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Lindsay Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Perth, Western Australia voice +61 8 9316 2486 32.0125S 115.8445E Debian Linux =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=
Re: FreeWWWeb
Bart Friederichs wrote: I don't remember exactly what I did to get mine going, but I did wind up having to use minicom to figure out what was happening. Then I think I had to make an entry in pap-secrets for freewwweb (I can't currently access that box to look around at the moment, so I'm having to do this by (poor) memory). Thanks, but I don't know minicom that good to use PAP scripts. I cannot just let it call the number, and I get a login screen, but that rejects everything I try. pap-secrets has an entry in it for freewwweb, but still it doesn't work. Bart PS i am considering paid internet. maybe they can connect me I'm not sure I was clear; I used minicom to make sure I was getting a login prompt and that the username/password I had actually passed that stage. Then I shut down minicom, and armed with the info that it's possible to get past the login, started wrestling again with pon/wvdial/xisp until I got them working. Just fire up minicom, then type ATDTphonenumber; when asked for a username, enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or whatever it is), then enter your password when prompted. If you get access, shut down minicom (Alt-X-Q maybe? I always forget and have to look in the help screen). Now you know that your username/password works, and you can try wvdial or pppconfig/pon, etc again. Notice that the username includes the @freewwweb.com part; is that insane or what?! I never could get fetchmail to work with the resultant address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@freewwweb.com or any other combination I could think of. I mean, I don't mean to complain, but having a _username_ include the @... part is just STUPID. With a capitol STUPID on that STUPID. Whew! That rant was refreshing.
Re: how to build deb
indra wardhana [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
how to build debian package (*.bed) from source code programs (*.tar.gz)
If they're already Debianized, then install the devscripts package and
use 'debuild', or just use 'dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot', or whatever.
If they're not, then you'll need to read the Developer's Reference, the
New Maintainer's Guide, and the Packaging Manual, all available from
http://www.debian.org/devel/.
('dh_make', from the dh-make package, can often do a great deal of the
work for you.)
--
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
printer in staroffice
I am using Debian slink. I installed StarOffice 5.1. When I go to print something, I get pages of what looks like lists. I went to Printer Setup and tried installing different printers, but it didn't make any difference -- I just get pages and pages of these lists. The printer works fine otherwise in Debian. Is there some tweak I can do? Thanks, Sandy
Netscape 4.5 refuses to work!!
Hi! I have installed Debian 'slink' distribution, with kernel 2.2.5, XFree86 3.3.6 (special for 'slink'), KDE 1.1.2 (default window manager) and Netscape 4.5 for 'slink'. When I'm browsing for a long time (about 2 hours), the browser refuses to work: I write an address in the URL bar, but this it's ignored: a blank page is displayed. I have increased the swap partition up to 32 MB (formerly it was 16 MB) and the problem persists. I use the 'kppp' program (of KDE) to establish an Internet connection and launch Netscape. What's wrong?Also, How I can install Netscape 4.72 (without upgrading to 'potato')? Can I install Netscape 4.72 from 'potato', installing libc6 2.1 only in 'slink'? Please, sendyour reply at [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks very much in advance!!
cannot use sound modules
hello, my card is autodetected/configured during booting but I can't install the sound module!(sb). either using modconf,insmod or modprobe i get the error: /lib/modules/2.3.4/misc/sb.o: init_module: Device or resource busy /lib/modules/2.3.4/misc/sb.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.3.4/misc/sb.o failed /lib/modules/2.3.4/misc/sb.o: insmod sb failed I get either that or lots of unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/misc/sb.o. please help me. I tried specifying i/o,irq,and dma but I still get the same results. __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: debian distribution
On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, mikej wrote: Hi, my question is simple. When can we expect to see the new Debian distribution out. It has already been over a year since the last release. You can visit www.debian.org and see the available releases. I think on the unstable release, you could get the latest compile (from the last 5 minutes?). Oki
Re: FreeWWWeb
On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Kent West wrote: Notice that the username includes the @freewwweb.com part; is that insane or what?! I never could get fetchmail to work with the resultant address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@freewwweb.com or any other combination I could think of. My ~/.fetchmailrc says: poll mail.halteknet.com protocol pop3 user [EMAIL PROTECTED] password ... I can do fetchmail without any problem. The version: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ fetchmail --version fetchmail: This is fetchmail release 5.2.3fetchmail: +NTLMfetchmail: +SDPSfetchmail: +NLS The username needs @domain because the ISP uses virtual mail server; by virtual means that [EMAIL PROTECTED] is not the system user on the machine, it's just a user of the mail server (eg: qmail). Basically, the real address would be: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (domain is the ISP's domain). Oki
Re: ntpdate: socket in use
Once upon a time, I heard Aaron Solochek say Well, I've been trying to update my clock to the local kerberos servers, but it doesn't work. leko:/home/aarons#rdate kerberos.andrew.cmu.edu rdate: Could not connect socket: Connection refused leko:/home/aarons#ntpdate kerberos.andrew.cmu.edu 8 Apr 00:22:26 ntpdate[583]: the NTP socket is in use, exiting leko:/home/aarons# What could be causing this? Very good to provide the foolowing data. leko:/home/aarons#ps aux [snip] root 194 0.0 0.2 1548 1540 ?SL Apr07 0:00 /usr/sbin/ntpd ^^ You should have stop ntp by /etc/init.d/ntp stop before use ntpdate to syncronize the clock. Then /etc/init.d/ntp start after you sync you clock with /etc/init.d/ntpdate start. Chanop -- ,-. | Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Australian National University | | Tel. +61 2 6279 8826, +61 2 6279 8837 (office hour) | | +61 2 6249 5240 (home +voice mail) | | Debian GNU/BSDICQ uin 11366301| `-' pgp52wYhQscMA.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian in Beijing?
Hi *, I'll be in Beijing for a few days next week. I saw, that there is a 'Linux Club', but are there Debian users there? By Töns -- Linux. The dot in /.
Re: no wonder...
Once upon a time, I heard John Hasler say Before proceeding to install and remove marked packages dselect (and aptitude) should put up a menu listing all the proposed changes and offering the user the choice of For dselect, Proceed to install and remove marked packages Select 3. [I]nstall Install and upgrade wanted packages. or apt-get dselect-install Edit the changes Reselect 2. [S]elect Request which packages you want on your system. Reverse all the marks and start over I'm you can't do that if you alread exit select menu to main menu. But if you are still in select menu. X would be your friend (note capital X) Exit without altering the database Isn't this the same thing as above? Chanop -- ,-. | Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Australian National University | | Tel. +61 2 6279 8826, +61 2 6279 8837 (office hour) | | +61 2 6249 5240 (home +voice mail) | | Debian GNU/BSDICQ uin 11366301| `-' pgpK6m9g0kSY1.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: no wonder...
Once upon a time, I heard [EMAIL PROTECTED] say Another thing that would be very helpful (and perhaps it exists and I just have not yet found it) would be an easy way to just back up to where one was a moment before, but not all the way to the beginning. So, say you see a package on the list that you think you might like to install, and so you hit the + key. Then you find that it requires about 300 other packages that you don't have installed, and some of them conflict with others that you do have installed and are more important to you than this new one that you just decided to try. What you would like would be a sort of a back button or an undo that would just back-step one step at a time. just X when the confict screen appear :), Other options is Q chanop -- ,-. | Chanop Silpa-Anan [EMAIL PROTECTED] | | Australian National University | | Tel. +61 2 6279 8826, +61 2 6279 8837 (office hour) | | +61 2 6249 5240 (home +voice mail) | | Debian GNU/BSDICQ uin 11366301| `-' pgplHsGkGMMN5.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: no wonder...
On 4/7/2000, 10:56:59 PM, loki [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: no wonder...: On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 08:48:18AM +0700, Oki DZ wrote: On Fri, 7 Apr 2000, Richard Taylor wrote: My mileage varies. I find that the program simplifies what can be a vastly more difficult process... that of tracking dependencies, versions, file locations, etc, etc... It does it fairly well and it does it accurately. Which doesn't explain why there is a project to create a better top-level package management tool called apt? :) No, it doesn't. Dselect works with apt as far as I know. Nothing's so perfect it can't be improved. I think the problem in dselect that it doesn't show the dependency tree. The listing of the packages is useful, of course, but it's just a list. Agreed; it's a plain list, which can be viewed in various ways. What I think would be better would be the ability to collapse parts of the list that you're not viewing, like a directory tree. That would be a help as well as filters... Then you come to the actual conflict resolution part. Possibly it'd be great if it could detect these conflicts in real-time (I guess this might not be trivial or speedy to implement), and prompt you. For example, you select a package and it pops up saying This package also requires: foo bar baz wibble snafu... do you wish to install them as well or cancel installation of xyz? This lets you select/cancel the whole operation (and it is one operation really, after all.. people just say grr.. need that as well.. alright so it's not really an independent choice anyway.) For conflicts, This package conflicts with the following: foo baz. Do you wish to proceed (removing those packages), or cancel this install? [y/n] Ummm... how does your dselect work? Mine does pretty much what you've described above. Recommendations and suggestions are a little more difficult (since it's something people are more likely to pick and choose over) but still quite doable and could be simpler IMO. Also already implemented.
Re: Netscape 4.5 refuses to work!!
José María Pongilioni López wrote: Part 1.1Type: Plain Text (text/plain) Encoding: quoted-printable Please repost in ascii, so that everybody can participate. Thank You. -- Gero H. Marten http://www.provi.de/gmarten/ --
Re: no wonder...
On 4/7/2000, 10:00:40 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote regarding Re: no wonder...: What could be more intuitive? Something that works. Your statement highlights the reason that when I ask for directions on how to drive somewhere, I will NOT ask someone that has lived there all their life but a relative new person. The person that has been there for all of their life _ASS_U_ME_s that you know what they learned several years ago. You've not answered the question.
fixing netscape's super ugly fonts..how?
how can I fix netscape's ugly fonts? how? I can barely read the fonts esp. when visiting sites with really small fonts they are almost unreadable...well, except maybe if you use a magnifying glass or a microscope or something. then it becomes better. it said in the font HOWTo that netscape fonts can be changed in the .Xdefaults file. I can't find that file anywhere! __ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com
Re: debian distribution
mikej wrote: Hi, my question is simple. When can we expect to see the new Debian distribution out. It has already been over a year since the last release. Any time soon?? Thanks Mike Jennings -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null When potato was frozen over a month ago, the expectation was there would be around a two month gestation period before full release. So we're getting fairly close to full release of potato once it has stabilised. Jonathan
Re: fixing netscape's super ugly fonts..how?
This mini-HOWTO should help. It has a specific section for Netscape: http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/FDU.html Tom john smith wrote: how can I fix netscape's ugly fonts? how? I can barely read the fonts esp. when visiting sites with really small fonts they are almost unreadable...well, except maybe if you use a magnifying glass or a microscope or something. then it becomes better. it said in the font HOWTo that netscape fonts can be changed in the .Xdefaults file. I can't find that file anywhere!
no wonder... part 2
No wonder we found Debian difficult for us: We're just newbies! So then we tried installing Debian again, and after carefully making our steps... we finally managed to install it! (base-system + essential packages, and are now installing more according to our needs...) We're really getting the hang of it all: using dselect, apt-get, dpkg, etc... Anyway, THANK YOU SO MUCH, EVERYBODY... for all your support, your help, your sarcastic remarks and replys... EVERYTHING! Hope we can be part of the Debians... :-) Cheers! I Gede Wijaya S. Urip Hudiono Yosi Yonata Bandung, Indonesia
Re: no wonder...
On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 08:02:40AM +, Richard Taylor wrote: Ummm... how does your dselect work? Mine does pretty much what you've described above. Not really; the whole thing is presented as a problem but it doesn't show you clearly what it's done to try to resolve it, nor does it let you accept/reject some of those changes in blocks. Simple example.. I selected gnome-admin for install, and I get a conflict screen which looks approximately as follows: EIOM Pri Section Package Description _* Opt admingnome-admin Gnome Admin Utilities (gulp and logview) _* Opt libs libobgnome0 Objective-C - Gnome bindings _* Opt libs libobgtk1Objective-C - Gtk bindings == gnome-admin not installed - ; install (was: purge). Optional gnome-admin depends on libobgnome0 (= 1.0.40) gnome-admin depends on libobgtk1 (= 1.0.40) It shows this if the cursor bar is over gnome-admin itself. The thing is, it's not really clearly presented to you what dselect has decided. In this case, it's just installing 2 more packages, but even that isn't clearly obvious, despite the flags... to say nothing if the changes had been greater (including recommends and conflicts). It's easier to read the changes if dselect simply states something like the following: gnome-admin requires the following extra packages to be installed: libobgnome0 libobgtk1 it recommends the following, which I shall also install: foo baz gnome-admin conflicts with the following packages: foobar1 The idea is to skip relatively unimportant details (most of the time) like the priority, the section and possibly even the description.. at least from the top half. You could make it so that you can go from package to package in the above (ie. from libobgnome0 to libobgtk1 etc.) much like moving between hyperlinks in lynx, and display the typical package info as (like in the selection screen) as you do, underneath. Have one key (+/-, if you like) that you can use to add/remove each proposed change. For each type, if the user's change could be bad (remove dependency pkg, add conflict pkg) it could warn and prompt the user for confirmation of whether they really want to do that. Naturally, there would also be a single key to just accept all dselect's proposed changes (like now). And this is just a rough change that I think could present the choices better and make it clearer what is happening... I haven't thought really carefully about how it could be done, but I'm sure it could be done better.. other people might have other suggestions on how it could be improved. Is dselect usable? Yes. But it could be better at abstracting away some of the details that are typically not necessary and which just serve to intimidate new users. Certainly that information should be available, but I think a lot of it belongs in the package description window most of the time. No need for flames BTW, this is just an opinion offered as food for thought. -- loki [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dare I disturb the universe? You bet I do! :)
Re: Only the PCMCIA Ethernet Card not Work
Hi! I have installed potato (floppies set base system) on my laptop, the modem card, scsi-2 card, and pcmcia CDROM all work fine, only the pcmcia ethernet card won't, (I have try two cards: 3com574TX and Melco LPC2-TX), If I inserted the modem card, scsi-2 card or pcmcia CDROM, then I executed lsmod I can all found the drive: serial_cs, aha152x_cs and ide_cs, but when I insert ethernet cards, that is no driver for ethernet card to be found. Would some one tell me why and how to slove? Thanks and have a nice weekend!
win and linux
hi, I'm too new for linux and loaded to my computer linux yesterday. However I want to use my old O.S.(windows 95) too but now I can only use linux. How can I use linux and windows together. I have got some documnets but I coludn't find any satisfactory answer. I added something to lilo.conf but there is no change. I know this question is very simple for you but any solution or reference to a documentwill be very good for me... Thanks in advance
Re: FreeWWWeb
In article [EMAIL PROTECTED] you wrote: ... Just fire up minicom, then type ATDTphonenumber; when asked for a username, enter [EMAIL PROTECTED] (or whatever it is), then enter your password when prompted. If you get access, shut down minicom (Alt-X-Q maybe? I always forget and have to look in the help screen). Now you know that your username/password works, and you can try wvdial or pppconfig/pon, etc again. Notice that the username includes the @freewwweb.com part; is that insane or what?! I never could get fetchmail to work with the resultant address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@freewwweb.com or any other combination I could think of. I mean, I don't mean to complain, but having a _username_ include the @... part is just STUPID. With a capitol STUPID on that STUPID. You probably know this but you can play with the following until you get something that works, telnet freewwweb.com 110 user yourusername pass yourpass Then you have to get fetchmail to play nice with the information. As I said in an early msg, I was getting through about 1 time in 3. This is one attempt after the other. I don't know what would cause that and don't much care any more. Free access is popping up all over the place, high speed in some places if you have the right profile.
Re: win and linux
I'm too new for linux and loaded to my computer linux yesterday. However I want to use my old O.S.(windows 95) too but now I can only use linux. How can I use linux and windows together. I have got some documnets but I coludn't find any satisfactory answer. I added something to lilo.conf but there is no change. I know this question is very simple for you but any solution or reference to a document will be very good for me... you have to run lilo after each change of lilo.conf. did you? the right satements should be other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table = /dev/hda if your WinBlows resides on the first partition. -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- Linux - the last service pack you'll ever need.
Re: FreeWWWeb
On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 12:59:22AM -0500, Kent West wrote: Hello, - snip - Notice that the username includes the @freewwweb.com part; is that insane or what?! I never could get fetchmail to work with the resultant address of [EMAIL PROTECTED]@freewwweb.com or any other combination I Does encoding the '@' help ? kent%40freewwweb.com#freewwweb.com could think of. I mean, I don't mean to complain, but having a _username_ include the @... part is just STUPID. With a capitol STUPID on that STUPID. Regards, Robert -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: password
Beavis [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: how do u change passwords? man -k password will list the name and a short description of all man pages concerning passwords. At this point, a knowledge of man page section numbers would keep you from reading all 30 lines. (See man man.) Only 3 of the 30 are from section 1, Executable programs or shell commands, and the one you want is: passwd (1) - change user password So read man passwd and then run it. Kirk Hilliard
Documentation for Newbies (was: win and linux)
On Sat, Apr 08, 2000 at 03:43:22PM +0300, Serkan ?nci wrote: hi, I'm too new for linux and loaded to my computer linux yesterday. However I want to use my old O.S.(windows 95) too but now I can only use linux. How can I use linux and windows together. I have got some documnets but I coludn't find any satisfactory answer. I added something to lilo.conf but there is no change. I know this question is very simple for you but any solution or reference to a document will be very good for me... /* answer this specific question */ When you change lilo.conf, you must run the program /sbin/lilo to take the changes you made and write them to the boot sector. You didn't say if you did that, but if not, that is probably your problem. /* begin newbie documentation lesson */ As a linux newbie, you may not realize it, but the answer to 90% of all your questions is already on your computer. Seriously. The only only answers that aren't there are the brand new ones (like what driver do I use for some card which just came out last month). Lilo has been around as long as linux, and the rules for lilo don't change much. Furthermore, you probably got the documentation for the version of software you installed, so you may have better documentation than anyone else. Therefore you should really get in the habit of looking for this stuff yourself. Personally, I feel a great deal of pride in finding my own answers. This is pretty arbitrary, but I figure if I have read documentation for at least 4 hours and I still can't find an answer, then it's time to post a question. Places to look: - cd /usr/doc and do an ls. Wow, look at it all. There is a directory for almost each package you installed. Usually, this is a very good place to look, but now always. Some distributions (I'm on Debian Slink) use a different location than /usr/doc. - the man pages. There are millions of them. If you think there is a man page out there but can't find it, try man -k keyword. - the info pages. There are a lot of these too. The info program is a browser of sorts. - There are HOWTO and MINI-HOWTO documents all over the place. Some documentation is stored in html files. Locate will help you find them. - locate - On windows you have the ability to find files. You can do that on linux too. In both cases it scans the entire disk, and takes a few seconds. On linux, though, there is a scheduled cron job that runs (usually in middle of the night) which scans the entire disk and makes a locate database. At that point you can type locate lilo and it will show you all the files with the phrase lilo in them. It's case sensitive, so try locate lilo Lilo LILO, and in my case it shows a nice file called /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-LILO.gz which I can view with zmore /usr/doc/HOWTO/mini/Multiboot-with-LILO.gz The job that runs at night is called updatedb. If you try locate and just get some error message, then it's because updatedb hasn't run yet on your new system. Run updatedb as root (it takes a few minutes) and then locate should work fine. - Buy a decent book. This simple statement can spark many hours of debate regarding which books are best, but I won't go there today. - Poke around at http://www.debian.org There is documentation out there also. Typically it's the same stuff that is on your disk but it's worth a shot. - Web search. I like http://www.google.com (no need to start a debate here either), and you will find more documents and lessons learned. Hope that helps. I'm sure other people have other sources of information. -- Thank you, Joe Bouchard Powered by Debian GNU/Linux
poff rmmod ltmodem, script problem
When I ppp connect through a Lucent Tech Winmodem, the sequence is: insmod -f ltmodem with force (-f) necessary because the supplied binary ltmodem.o is not matched with my kernel-2.2.14 pon can then complete the connection with the modules autoloaded being: sound 56088 0 (autoclean) (unused) soundlow 300 0 (autoclean) [sound] soundcore 2340 3 (autoclean) [sound] ppp_deflate39108 1 (autoclean) ppp19916 2 (autoclean) [ppp_deflate] slhc4200 1 (autoclean) [ppp] ltmodem 452936 1manually loaded When the connection is terminated with poff, the cron/automated module removal rmmod -a doesn't work, at least until I manually rmmod ltmodem I tried a script: #! /bin/sh # to remove the the forced ltmodem.o as quickly as possible poff rmmod ltmodem rmmod -a but evident implementing some pause after the poff command is necessary, before the ltmodem will unload. Thereafter rmmod -a does unload the rest. What's the appropriate way of doing implementing the desired pause in script? Please respond to [EMAIL PROTECTED] as well as the list. MarvS
Re: no wonder...
My mileage varies. I find that the program simplifies what can be a vastly more difficult process... that of tracking dependencies, versions, file locations, etc, etc... It does it fairly well and it does it accurately. Which doesn't explain why there is a project to create a better top-level package management tool called apt? :) Apt is cool for web-installs and installing something when you exactly know what package you want installed. Actually I use Slink-with-a-bit potato. I have Slink CD's. What I did is put potato-lines in my sources.list and still use the multi-CD method for dselect. Now when I want to install something slink, I use dselect, but when I want to install something potato, I use apt. I think the problem in dselect that it doesn't show the dependency tree. The listing of the packages is useful, of course, but it's just a list. Agreed; it's a plain list, which can be viewed in various ways. What I think would be better would be the ability to collapse parts of the list that you're not viewing, like a directory tree. Then you come to the actual conflict resolution part. Possibly it'd be great if it could detect these conflicts in real-time (I guess this might not be trivial or speedy to implement), and prompt you. For example, you select a package and it pops up saying This package also requires: foo bar baz wibble snafu... do you wish to install them as well or cancel installation of xyz? This lets you select/cancel the whole operation Excuse me for being puzzled here, but is this not what already happens? For example, say I want to install foo which depends on bar and baz. I'll walk to 'foo', press +, get some documentation screen that my manual advised me not to read (it'd confuse me further). I press space to send it away. Now there is a very small list with foo on top and bar and baz underneath. The lower half of the screen tells me 'foo depends on bar' and 'foo depends on baz', and before the names of bar and baz are '_*', which means that they weren't installed first but now I probably want to have them installed. So when I want the dependancies installed to, I just press enter. When I want to back out, I just make sure the '_*' turn into '__' and the '*-' (conflicting packages) turn into '**' again, and press enter. This takes a little getting-used-to, but it isn't _that_ hard imo? I just remember + means install, - means remove, _ means purge and 'enter' means 'OK it's right this way'. And 'damn-this-isn't-what-I-meant' is Ctrl-C. It could be better, but dselect just works fine for me. Arnout [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: pcmcia ethernet card module problem
Hi! I install potato on a laptop, following error message was displayed at the booting time: calculating module dependencies... depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/3c575_cb.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/tulip_cb.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/epic_cb.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/pcnet_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/3c589_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/nmclan_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/fmvj18x_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/smc91c92_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/netwave_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/wavelan_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/xirc2ps_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/3c574_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/ibmtr_cs.o depmod: ***Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.2.14/pcmcia/8390.o please note these drivers are all for ethernet card, and now I can use all the supported pcmcia card except ethernet card. What is the problem? How to solve it? Thanks.
...free Usenet...?
Have free Usenet sites disappeared? Every one I've tried in the past coupla hours wants authentication and apparently thinks I'm not authentic enough. :-) Do I need to set up an account of some sort, or does the authentication want my momentary dial-up hostname, or...? -- -- Jeff -- http://www.wellnow.com There's nothing left in the world to prove. All that's worth doing is to love one another, using whatever means are available to serve.
Re: win and linux
And if you're booting then; DON'T FORGET to press a key (I find caps-lock working nice) and then, at the LILO prompt type the label of the OS to boot (TAB shows your choices). Ron On Sat, 8 Apr 2000, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote: I'm too new for linux and loaded to my computer linux yesterday. However I want to use my old O.S.(windows 95) too but now I can only use linux. How can I use linux and windows together. I have got some documnets but I coludn't find any satisfactory answer. I added something to lilo.conf but there is no change. I know this question is very simple for you but any solution or reference to a document will be very good for me... you have to run lilo after each change of lilo.conf. did you? the right satements should be other = /dev/hda1 label = dos table = /dev/hda if your WinBlows resides on the first partition. -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- Linux - the last service pack you'll ever need. -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Voodoo 2 in Linux
Hey, My friend is thinking about buying a Voodoo 2, but I told him I should make sure it will work in Linux. I had heard that the Voodoo 3 is hard to set up in X Windows. Will the Voodoo 2 work? Thanks, Cameron Matheson
slink and /usr/share/man/
I recently went to look something up and found my dpkg man pages had gone missing. A brief search found them under /usr/share/man/. I have dpkg 1.4.1.18.99.slink.0 which I got from deb http://www.debian.org/~vincent/ slink-update main There are other packages I've obtained from unofficial sites that have deposited their man pages under the /usr/share/man/ tree. I assume this is because they were converted from potato to slink, and that man pages in potato have moved from /usr/man/ to /usr/share/man/. What I need to know is: is there a proper way to tell man to look for man pages in /usr/share/man/ _in addition_ to the places it normally looks? My RTFM-ing would seem to indicate that /etc/manpath.config is the proper place. The MANDATORY_MANPATH mapping is obvious, but I'm concerned about the MANPATH_MAP mapping. There are no many-to-one mappings in the current file. Is it proper to have both the following lines? MANPATH_MAP /usr/bin/usr/man MANPATH_MAP /usr/bin/usr/share/man And what to do about /var/catman/ ? Thanks, Pann -- geek by nature, Linux by choice L I N U X .~. The Choice /V\ http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ of a GNU /( )\ Generation ^^-^^
[OT] Frontpage 2000 Question
I just successfully installed Frontpage 2000 Extensions on my Woody box and the latest stable apache. They work great for the root web, I am able to do anything I need to do. I read a lot of the documentation on Frontpage but I am looking for a simple method to enable per-user webs. I am using a standard $home/public_html setup for my users, and I would like to go in, for example, and allow user bob to use frontpage extensions, but nobody else at this point. Bob's web would be located at Http://www.servername.com/~bob. Can anyone give me a quick example on how to do this using fpsrvadm? Regards, Todd -BEGIN GEEK CODE BLOCK- Version: 3.12 GAT d- s:++ a C UL P+ L++ E W++ N++ o-- K- w O- M-- V-- PS+ PE Y++ PGP 5++ X++ R* tv+ b+ DI++ D++ G e h--- r+++ y+++ --END GEEK CODE BLOCK--
RE: CD/RW under potato
Hi, try /dev/scd0 and /dev/scd1 for accessing your CD drives. I'm using the same configuration and everything works fine for me. You can also create an link /dev/cdrom that points to /dev/scd0 (if your CD-ROM is your first cd drive). Bye, Sven On 07-Apr-2000 Dr. Simon Read wrote: Folks, I'm getting pretty frustrated with my upgrade to potato. I bought a CD/RW at about the same time as upgrading, but I can't seem to make it work. I know I have to use the ide-scsi drivers, but I have no idea how to configure them. I can't make them recognise the devices I have. I have a regular CD drive and the CD/RW (an HP 8200i) connected to ide0, so they are hdc and hdd. Can anyone help me configure them? Does anyone know a 'fine' manual I can refer to? I've read all the relevant HOWTOs (I think) and they don't help! Simon Read Dept. of Comp. Sci. and Info. Sys. Clark 120 American University 4400 Massachusetts Avenue, NW Washington, DC 20016 Tel: 1 202 885 3128 Fax: 1 202 885 1479 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: www.csis.american.edu/~simon -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null -- Please reply only to [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: 08-Apr-2000 Time: 19:55:18 --
[Fwd: 2.2.14 modules availibility]
---BeginMessage--- Hello: I have a bit of dilemma. I need to recompile my 2.2.14 kernel with IPMASQ enabled. I also have rtl8139 ethernet cards. When I downloaded the kenel 2.2.14 source I found that no rtl8139 modules is there. I can get IPMAQ added asa modules, but I can not get rtl8139 as one of the drivers or moudles. IT is a catch 22. If you know hoe can I get the rtl8139 modules and compile it as a moudule for the 2.2.14 kernel, I would appreciate it a lot. I am running Debian 2.2 (frozen). Is there a file that contains all the modules I need so I can add or subract frm my kernel? Thanks Anmar ---End Message---
RE: no wonder...
Not really; the whole thing is presented as a problem but it doesn't show you clearly what it's done to try to resolve it, nor does it let you accept/reject some of those changes in blocks. Simple example.. I selected gnome-admin for install, and I get a conflict screen which looks approximately as follows: EIOM Pri Section Package Description _* Opt admingnome-admin Gnome Admin Utilities (gulp and logview) _* Opt libs libobgnome0 Objective-C - Gnome bindings _* Opt libs libobgtk1Objective-C - Gtk bindings == gnome-admin not installed - ; install (was: purge). Optional gnome-admin depends on libobgnome0 (= 1.0.40) gnome-admin depends on libobgtk1 (= 1.0.40) It shows this if the cursor bar is over gnome-admin itself. The thing is, it's not really clearly presented to you what dselect has decided. In this case, it's just installing 2 more packages, but even that isn't clearly obvious, despite the flags... to say nothing if the changes had been greater (including recommends and conflicts). What I don't like about apt/dselect is how they treat packages locally compiled from source tarball. I couldn't find an option to really ignore dependencies and do what I say. Specifically, if I want esound-alsa but have compiled the ALSA drivers/libs/utils myself, neither dselect nor apt let me install it because it depends on some ALSA packages. Now, there is a [Q] option explained in the conflict resolution screen which should retain the exact state I select - only it doesn't work as expected or even deterministically. 1) It drops me back at conflict resolution, with its suggestions selected again 2) The main menu appears. If I select install, it wants to remove all of gnome! Perhaps I could get the deb manually and install via dpkg and a few force options, but that's hardly optimal... whishlist A package state that tells the package managers that the functionality of this package is provided locally, treat it as if it was installed An option to reset the selection status of all packages to their actual status /whishlist Maybe I just didn't read enough docs... Christian smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
Re: printer in staroffice
Hi, I had this problem before. All of StarOffice's printers are postscript printers and most likely you don't have one. What I did was set up my printer a (HP692c non postscript) in magicfilter and then used the generic printer found in magiccap as StarOffice's printer. I used the magicfilter and a postscript (gs) packages. Hope this helps Bill Sandy Shapiro wrote: I am using Debian slink. I installed StarOffice 5.1. When I go to print something, I get pages of what looks like lists. I went to Printer Setup and tried installing different printers, but it didn't make any difference -- I just get pages and pages of these lists. The printer works fine otherwise in Debian. Is there some tweak I can do? Thanks, Sandy -- Unsubscribe? mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] /dev/null
Re: ntpd flails on machine with large clock error...
On Thu, 06 Apr 2000, Joe Emenaker wrote: However, in this case, I'm more in need of a *smooth* transition to the proper time than I am in need of a *prompt* one. I don't mind if ntpd needs a day or two to bring things into line... Does anybody have any ideas? ntpdate -B should do it (stop ntp first, you'll need to restart it after ntpdate finished its run). It's a good idea to have ntpdate -b -s on the initscripts to avoid this kind of problem (during boot up, at least). ntpdate can be found in the ntpdate debian package. It already provides a init script, but you must edit /etc/init.d/ntpdate to enable it. -- One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie. -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh
swat man pages
Hi! can anybody tell me where to get the man-pages of swat or any instructions to configure it. Because I've downloaded and installed swat and all needed packages, but it doesn't work yet. It surely has to be run as a deamon (or not?), but at the moment it is not. Or If it's just a small thing to to get it running, perhaps anybody can tell me what I've got to do. Thanks for any help! .
Re: Voodoo 2 in Linux
Cameron == Cameron Matheson [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hey, My friend is thinking about buying a Voodoo 2, but I told him I should make sure it will work in Linux. I had heard that the Voodoo 3 is hard to set up in X Windows. Will the Voodoo 2 work? With a Voodoo 2, you will of course still need a 2D card, so as long as your 2D card is supported by your X server, it will be fine. To get 3D to work, there is some mucking around you have to do, like installing the device3dfx modules. Voodoo 3s are supported by Xfree86 3.3.6, so I don't think it will be a problem. I've been running one for over 6 months, and have had no problems. Setting up the X server was a simple as running Xf86config and looking through the card database. I believe that Xfree86 4.0 has more specific support for Voodoo3s, but I'm know running it, so I can't tell you. my 2bits. Marshal Thanks, Cameron Matheson
Re: CD/RW under potato
On 07-Apr-2000 Dr. Simon Read wrote: Folks, I know I have to use the ide-scsi drivers, but I have no idea how to configure them. I can't make them recognise the devices I have. I have a regular CD drive and the CD/RW (an HP 8200i) connected to ide0, so they are hdc and hdd. if they're on ide0, they're hda and hdb. then, if you have to use ide-scsi, remember that the reader is scdx and the writer is sgy where x and y may be different. For example, my cd-rw is scd0 when I want to read a cd (because it's the first cd-reader on the scsi cable) but it's sg2 when I want to write a cd because there are 2 HD with a lower ID, so they come first. Pf -- --- Pierfrancesco Caci | mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://gusp.infogroup.it ik5pvx - Firenze | Office for the Complication of Otherwise Simple Affairs Linux penny 2.3.99-pre3 #1 Tue Apr 4 19:05:03 CEST 2000 i686 unknown
Help--language problem
Help. I can't change my keyboard in to from English to other language in Debian (slink) with Gnome. I need spanish as I write lots in that language. I go through all the correct steps going to panel , properties, etc and I have a nice old Spanish flag on the taskbar. But when I click on it, it stays with English. In fact, it does that with all languages. In Linux mandrake and Gnome, it's easy to set up and easy to use. I have the OReilly cd of slink,and I have had some peculiar problems with it..no session management, having to boot into Windowmaker to make it change to Enlightenment. Has anyone else had problems with the Oreilly product? adios, stevew Get your own FREE, personal Netscape WebMail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com.
want only 1 lp
I've posted this question before, but the digest lists went down for a few weeks before I could get any answers to this question. I have 3 lp cards in my computer at dos addresses lpt1, lpt2, and lpt3. I only want the one at lpt1 to be attached to the lp driver(s). I want the other two ports free for my own software. I am running potato now, the options entered for the modules in slink don't work here, on boot up the initial feedback shows all three lpt ports being grabbed by the lp driver nomatter what I've tried. Something is different in 2.2.x I think. Any ideas out there? I will be writting my own driver to talk to the other two ports. One for a home brew prom burner, the other for an 8052 ICE that was written up in byte some years ago. = Amateur Radio, when all else fails! http://www.qsl.net/wa2mze Debian Gnu Linux, Live Free or . __ Do You Yahoo!? Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com
Where is KDE?
I feel dumb for asking, but . . . where do I find a Debian package of KDE? I have looked and looed. Obviously I'm looking in the wrong places -- Chris Joyner
Re: Where is KDE?
I don't think there is a Debian package for kde. You have to get it somewhere else, try www.kde.org Jussi
Re: Where is KDE?
J. Hartzelbuck [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I feel dumb for asking, but . . . where do I find a Debian package of KDE? I have looked and looed. Obviously I'm looking in the wrong places URL:http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/
dhcp windows
i am currently in the middle of setting up a dhcp for windows with use of a dsl line 2 nic's dhcpd-beta package i was recently instructed by a friend to add the foolowing lines in etc/init.d/network /sbin/ipfwadm -F -p deny /sbin/ipfwadm -F -a m -S 192.168.1.0/24 -D 0.0.0.0/0 what is and how do i get ipwadm ??
