RE: Mail/news software

[Richard Lyon]

> -Original Message-
> From: Phillip Deackes [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, 30 April 2000 11:13 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Mail/news software
> 
> > I am very sorry if I offend, but I find emacs/xemacs about the most
> off-putting thing in Linux. Show a newbie that and you will see the dust
> as he turns and runs back to the Windows camp.
> 

Nedit is a good editor for people use to Microsoft style editors. I don't
know if there are any debs for the latest version, but it is pretty simple
to compile yourself. I recently converted after using emacs for 8 years.

It is great for writing code.

Regards ...

Re: how to use

[ktb]

Go to --

http://www.debian.org/

There is a link to "installation instructions"  you might want to take a
look at the 'documentation" section also. If you have any further
questions feel free to ask:)
hth,
kent  

> aerret wrote:
> 
> I want something that is much faster than what I have.  How do I
> download Debian?

fetchmail error

[addiction]

i was wondering if anyone had any idea what this error means. i never had
any problem with mail retreival until recently (nothing has been changed on
this end).

Unable to process From lines (envelopes), change recognition modes. <-- what
exactly does that mean?

here's the error message/s:

fetchmail: 5.3.4 querying polbox.com (protocol POP3) at Mon, 01 May 2000
19:12:25 -0400 (EDT)
fetchmail: POP3< +OK QPOP (version 2.53-rw991029) at free.polbox.pl
starting.
fetchmail: POP3> USER xx
fetchmail: POP3< +OK Password required for countess.
fetchmail: POP3> PASS *
fetchmail: POP3< -ERR Unable to process From lines (envelopes), change
recognition modes.
fetchmail: Unable to process From lines (envelopes), change recognition
modes.
fetchmail: Authorization failure on [EMAIL PROTECTED]
fetchmail: POP3> QUIT
fetchmail: authorization error while fetching from polbox.com
fetchmail: Query status=3 (AUTHFAIL)


TIA,

addi

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how to use

[aerret]

I want something that is much faster 
than what I have.  How do I download 
Debian?

Re: ping via perl?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 04:20:52PM -0500, w trillich wrote:
> could this be a result of the perl5.004* vs. 5.005* situation?
> if not, then--what?
> 
> 
> #!/usr/bin/perl
> 
> use Net::Ping;
> 
> my $ip = "208.33.90.84";
> my $wait = 5;
> 
> $p = Net::Ping->new();
> print "$ip is alive.\n" if $p->ping($ip);
> $p->close();
> 
> __END__
> 
> 
> Bad arg length for Socket::unpack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be
> 16 at /usr/lib/perl5/5.005/i386-linux/Socket.pm line 295,  chunk 3.
> Socket::sockaddr_in(undef) called at
> /usr/lib/perl5/5.005/Net/Ping.pm line 374
> Net::Ping::ping_udp('Net::Ping=HASH(0x829e990)', 'M-P!X^E', 5)
> called at /usr/lib/perl5/5.005/Net/Ping.pm line 154
> Net::Ping::ping('Net::Ping=HASH(0x829e990)', 'speedex.net')
> called at ping.pl line 9
> Debugged program terminated.  Use q to quit or R to restart,

I ran into this problem a few weeks ago; At the time I think I decided
it was a problem with the Socket module.  I hadn't investigated it
much since I found a solution that worked for me.

The Net::Ping module is part of package perl-5.005; there's an open
bug that seems to address this issue:

  http://www.debian.org/Bugs/db/55/55427.html

Note that this Net::Ping module tries to create a UDP socket by
default;  this doesn't work.  I don't think the TCP socket ping worked
for me either.

The good news is that the ICMP type works fine; however it must run
under root priviledges.

HTH,

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Re: gnus froze emacs20

[Brian May]

> "itz" == itz  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

itz> I am a longtime Gnus user and I am _sure_ you don't need the
itz> separate Gnus package.  Gnus is part of Emacs20.  I think the
itz> Gnus package is just for use with Emacs19.

itz> You may have shot yourself in the foot by installing too much
itz> stuff :-)

I think you need the Gnus package for the latest gnus, with
support for MIME attachments, etc.

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Re: Mail/news software

[Brian May]

> "Christophe" == Christophe TROESTLER <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Christophe> On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, "Kovacs Istvan"
Christophe> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>  What mail and news software do you recommend?  The ideal
>> software would be able to handle both mail and news in an
>> integrated manner, place incoming and outgoing messages into
>> folders automatically using header info, integrate with
>> PGP/GPG, handle UU/MIME attachments, thread messages, fetch
>> using POP3 and send via SMTP, would have a GUI that allows
>> multiple windows to be open for composing and reading
>> mail/articles, and would be easy to use and free of charge.

Christophe> Mew  has all that (plus much
Christophe> more, particularly important for me is the ablility to
Christophe> manage several identities with associated headers,
Christophe> signature,...).  But I won't hide that it is still
Christophe> under heavy development and _some_ of the more
Christophe> advanced features are still implemented rather
Christophe> crudely.

Do you know how Mew compares with Gnus?
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Re: mutt and courier-imapd

[Brian May]

> "Adam" == Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> Thanks for tracking this down! Hopefully, it will be fixed in
>> courier soon, but in the meantime, your patch works great! I've
>> gone back to using courier again.

Adam> just fyi there was a patch to courier imap to fix this
Adam> problem (and one with gnus) announced on freshmeat today.

Where can I get this patch for Gnus?
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bizarre gateway box routing behavior; what's wrong with my configs?

[Stan Kaufman]

I've posted parts of this problem before, and thanks to the folks who
have made suggestions. However, I'm still stuck.

I'm a relative newbie with Linux trying to set up a gateway box with
three NICs so I can masquerade the ip addresses of a DMZ and Internal
network similar to the description in the IPCHAINS HOWTO.

At this point, I've just set up three networks  with reserved addresses
around the gateway box while I work out the routing. But for reasons I
cannot work out, two of the NICs (eth1 and eth2) in the gateway box are
behaving bizarrely. I can ping them from "inside" the gateway box, and I
can also ping them from the network attached to eth0. However, I cannot
ping them from the networks attached directly to the NICs.

It seems to me that there must be some Truly Stpid error I've made
in a simple configuration, but I can't find it and would *greatly*
appreciate any help. This is driving me nuts.

Here's my network topology:
 
  External Network (BAD)
   |
Test Client box 192.168.1.2
   |
||HUB||
   |
   eth1| (will be the external address eventually) 
--- 
| 192.168.1.1|   
| |
|GATEWAY BOX  |eth0
 ---
| |192.168.2.1  |   (DMZ)  
| | |   
  
|192.168.3.1  | |   
--- | 
   | eth2   |
   ||   
||HUB||  ||HUB|| 
   ||
   || 
   Internal Network (GOOD)  |
   ||
-   -
laptop|WWW/ mail server |
-   - 
192.168.3.2 192.168.2.2 

I'm running Debian (potato) on a scavenged P75 box. I've got an Intel
EtherExpress Pro 10/100 PCI NIC at eth0, and two Intel EntherExpress
Pro/10+ ISA NICs at eth1 and eth2. I believe I've successfully
configured the ISA NICs via isapnptools; the PCI NIC was found
automagically during the Debian installation. Here's the ifconfig
output:

eth0Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:A0:C9:E6:97:49
inet addr:192.168.2.1  Bcast:192.168.2.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:33 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:16 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:6 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
Interrupt:9 Base address:0xfcc0

eth1Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:AA:00:BD:AE:A1
inet addr:192.168.1.1  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
Interrupt:5 Base address:0x200

eth2Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:AA:00:BD:B0:90  
inet addr:192.168.3.1  Bcast:192.168.3.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
Interrupt:10 Base address:0x220 

lo  Link encap:Local Loopback  
inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
RX packets:38 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
TX packets:38 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
collisions:0 txqueuelen:0

The NICs' LEDs indicate that they're connected and responding to traffic
on their networks, and when I stuck the ISA NICs into a Windoze box,
they worked fine. So I believe the NICs are OK except for some idiotic
configuration error.

Here's what happens:
- 192.168.2.2 can ping 192.168.1.1 and 192.168.3.1
- 192.168.1.2 can't ping 192.168.1.1
- 192.168.3.2 can't ping 192.168.3.1
- 192.168.2.2 can't ping 192.168.1.2 or 192.168.3.2

Here's my routing table:

Kernel IP routing table
Destination   Gateway  Genmask Flags Metric Ref Use Iface
192.168.3.0   0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0   U 0  0   0   eth2
192.168.2.0   0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0   U 0  0   0   eth0
192.168.1.0   0.0.0.0  255.255.255.0   U 0  0   0   eth1
192.168.3.0   192.168.3.1  255.255.255.0   UG0  0   0   eth2
192.168.2.0   192.168.2.1  255.255.255.0   UG0  0   0   eth0
192.168.1.0   192.168.1.1

Re: HELP

[ktb]

Juan Camilo Rozo wrote:
> 
> Hi. Im using Corel Linux, and I havent been able to make it work with my 
> sound card. My sound card is integrated into my mother board, and supposedly 
> its Sound Blaster Compatible. Can anyone please help me how I may try to 
> configure it with Linux, or where can I find how to do that?

You will need to compile support for it in your kernel.  Install the
'kernel-pakage' read the docs that come with that. 
hth,
kent

Re: Mupad

[ktb]

You can do a search for packages at --

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

Doesn't look like it.  If someone is working on it they will probably
let you know.
hth,
kent

Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> Is there any mupad deb available?

ping via perl?

[w trillich]

could this be a result of the perl5.004* vs. 5.005* situation?
if not, then--what?


#!/usr/bin/perl

use Net::Ping;

my $ip = "208.33.90.84";
my $wait = 5;

$p = Net::Ping->new();
print "$ip is alive.\n" if $p->ping($ip);
$p->close();

__END__


Bad arg length for Socket::unpack_sockaddr_in, length is 0, should be
16 at /usr/lib/perl5/5.005/i386-linux/Socket.pm line 295,  chunk 3.
Socket::sockaddr_in(undef) called at
/usr/lib/perl5/5.005/Net/Ping.pm line 374
Net::Ping::ping_udp('Net::Ping=HASH(0x829e990)', 'M-P!X^E', 5)
called at /usr/lib/perl5/5.005/Net/Ping.pm line 154
Net::Ping::ping('Net::Ping=HASH(0x829e990)', 'speedex.net')
called at ping.pl line 9
Debugged program terminated.  Use q to quit or R to restart,

Solved - Re: how to get rid of ucbmpeg-play pkg??

[kaynjay]

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 11:30:44AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I am totally frustrated. Trying to do a dist-upgrade, first through dselect
> and now out at the cmd. line.  Have DL'd all packages, but things screech to
> a halt when ucbmpeg-play (which I unsuccessfully tried to remove before)
> throws a wrench into the process.
> 
> I've tried to use 
> dpkg -p(r) --force-remove-reinstreq ucbmpeg-play 
...

Never mind, folks.  I went back into the messages, yanked out the postrm
file, and commented out the simple mime-update line.

The original installation came from archives I had on another disk.  I
expect the problem arose from the method I used for that (dpkg, since I
didn't have a net connection at that point for apt, with no lists, etc).

Oh well...  so far the install is moving along nicely (so nice to have a
fast cpu / lotsa RAM!!  :)

Kenward

Re: Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

[Graeme Mathieson]

Hi,

Steve Lamb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

[ snipped ... ]
> Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run
> is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at
> least it /IS/ an OS and not an editor that is a wannabe script interpreter
> and OS rolled into one.

Has anybody ever tried to graft emacs directly on top of oskit?  _Then_ you
would have your operating system. :)

To keep this post slightly on-topic, you'll notice that my X-Newsreader:
header says I'm using Gnus.  That and mailcrypt does covers all my mail
and news needs better than any other tool I've found so far.  Still it
has some niggles though.

-- 
Graeme.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

"Life's not fair," I reply. "But the root password helps." - BOFH

Re: lynx and squid

[kmself]

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 08:48:17AM -0500, ktb wrote:
> I've looked in the archives and the documentation for lynx.  I was
> wondering if lynx can be set up to use squid on my firewall?  I see
> there is a way to set up lynx in /etc/lynx.cfg to use an isp's proxy but
> I haven't been able to get lynx to work with mine.  I have also tried to
> sign in on my firewall with 'lynx -pauth=fkent:' but that
> results in --
> Warning, unable to connect to remote host.
> 
> If lynx can't be used with squid then is there a text browser out there
> that will?
> Thanks,
> kent

Set the environment variable $HTTP_PROXY to the appropriate value, eg:

HTTP_PROXY=http://localhost:5865/

...which also works for w3m.  Not sure about links (w3m and links are
two other text-mode browsers).

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Mupad

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Is there any mupad deb available?

HELP

[Juan Camilo Rozo]

Hi. Im using Corel Linux, and I havent been able to make it work with my sound 
card. My sound card is integrated into my mother board, and supposedly its 
Sound Blaster Compatible. Can anyone please help me how I may try to configure 
it with Linux, or where can I find how to do that?

please Help!

Re[2]: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

[Steve Lamb]

Monday, May 01, 2000, 11:59:24 AM, Richard wrote:
>  Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best
>  mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence.

That is highly debated, esp. for people who prefer not to have huge
bloated pigs in memory, don't want to learn a speech impediment on top of
other languages and actually prefer to have separate, specific programs for
their individual tasks.  Simply stated, anything which requires Emacs to run
is instantly lower than something that requires Windows to run because at
least it /IS/ an OS and not an editor that is a wannabe script interpreter and
OS rolled into one.

>  My other computer's running Debian. {www.debian.org}

And this one is running, what?  Amiga?

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HELP

[Juan Camilo Rozo]

Hi. Im using Corel Linux, and I havent been able to make it work with my sound 
card. My sound card is integrated into my mother board, and supposedly its 
Sound Blaster Compatible. Can anyone please help me how I may try to configure 
it with Linux, or where can I find how to do that?

please Help!

Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Michael A. Miller]

> "Chris" == Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello, I'm looking for good free (as in speech) 3d modeling
> tools.

Geomview is packaged for Debian.

http://www.geom.umn.edu/software/download/geomview.html

RE: lynx and squid

[C. Falconer]

Look in /usr/local/lib/lynx.cfg for configuration for lynx (thats 
slackware's location do a  `locate lynx.cfg`)

Find lines like
#http_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#https_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/
#ftp_proxy:http://some.server.dom:port/

and change them to
http_proxy:http://myproxy.foo:3128/
https_proxy:http://myproxy.foo:3128/
ftp_proxy:http://myproxy.foo:3128/

If your proxy requires authentication then I'm *guessing* it'll need to be 
something like this
http_proxy:http:/username:passwd/myproxy.foo:3128/
https_proxy:http:/username:passwd/myproxy.foo:3128/
ftp_proxy:http:/username:passwd/myproxy.foo:3128/

This may sound bad putting your password into a plain text world readable 
file - it should, it is.  However if you're the only user on the box then 
it'll make all users use that proxy on your password.  And if you're on a 
multi-user box then copy lynx.cfg to ~/.lynxcfg and it is now your own 
personal config file.

Remember - lynx is good - lynx can do most anything that doesn't require 
graphics (shockflashwave etc)

For the list - how w3c compliant is lynx ?

--
From:   ktb[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent:   Tuesday, 2 May 2000 1:48 AM
To: Debian Users
Subject:lynx and squid

I've looked in the archives and the documentation for lynx.  I was
wondering if lynx can be set up to use squid on my firewall?  I see
there is a way to set up lynx in /etc/lynx.cfg to use an isp's proxy but
I haven't been able to get lynx to work with mine.  I have also tried to
sign in on my firewall with 'lynx -pauth=fkent:' but that
results in --
Warning, unable to connect to remote host.

If lynx can't be used with squid then is there a text browser out there
that will?
Thanks,
kent


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Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

[Richard Taylor]

"Kovacs Istvan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(snip)
> Emacs, vi, development tools are fine for developers (I also decided 
to
> learn Emacs and vi -- not at the wizard level, but to be able to use
> them when needed), and it's reasonable not to expect the masses to use
> them, but it's not the same case with Linux (I hope :-)

 Emacs is far more useful than that... It's still the best
 mailer/newsreader/text based office program in existence.
 --
 My other computer's running Debian. {www.debian.org}

Re: how to get rid of ucbmpeg-play pkg??

[kaynjay]

sorry.. here's a file of the readouts I get with this problem with dpkg...

Kenward
Package: ucbmpeg-play
Priority: extra
Section: non-free/graphics
Installed-Size: 248
Maintainer: Malc Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Architecture: i386
Version: 2.3p-9
Replaces: ucbmpeg_play
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), xlib6g (>= 3.3.6)
Conflicts: ucbmpeg_play
Filename: dists/frozen/non-free/binary-i386/graphics/ucbmpeg-play_2.3p-9.deb
Size: 69302
MD5sum: 2685e4109a7e84b700030d0e0e5ebf01
Description: Software-only MPEG video player
 This program decodes and displays an MPEG-1 video stream.  The
 program has been written to be portable, which means it has not
 been optimized for specific platforms.  The decoder is implemented
 as a library that will take a video stream and display it in an X
 window on an 8, 24 or 32 bit deep display.
 .
 For more information on MPEG standards and other MPEG software and
 hardware, see http://www-plateau.cs.berkeley.edu/mpeg/index.html.
 This mpeg_play has been upgraded to version 2.3-patched.


H_Potter:~# dpkg -r ucbmpeg-play
dpkg: error processing ucbmpeg-play (--remove):
 Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
 reinstall it before attempting a removal.
Errors were encountered while processing:
 ucbmpeg-play

how to get rid of ucbmpeg-play pkg??

[kaynjay]

I am totally frustrated. Trying to do a dist-upgrade, first through dselect
and now out at the cmd. line.  Have DL'd all packages, but things screech to
a halt when ucbmpeg-play (which I unsuccessfully tried to remove before)
throws a wrench into the process.

I've tried to use 
dpkg -p(r) --force-remove-reinstreq ucbmpeg-play 
but it fails to get rid of the problem.

This is first on the list in the upgrade process, so I'm stuck.  I tried
reading through theh dpkg options but nothing else seems to fit.

Is there Anyway to get rid of this pesky thing??  I don't see my system
crashing because of it...

Kenward

Sound problem (alsa / esound)

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Hi,

  I have enlightenment  0.16.4-1 on a woody system; I'm using an old
  SoundBlaster 16 (remember those which came with an IDE interface so
  you could plug the CD-ROM drive?).
  I had no sound problems until an upgrade I did yesterday: for some
  reason (I'm not sure if I did select additional packages or not, I
  thought I just did an apt-get upgrade), alsa seems to be
  misconfigured.

  During the installation of the packages yesterday, the alsaconf
  script was called...

  And my /etc/modules file now has several "alias snd-card-xx"
  entries.

  When I boot, this is what I get:

sb Soundblaster audio driver Copyright (C) by Hannu Savolainen 1993-1996
sb: No ISAPnP cards found, trying standard ones...
SB 4.13 detected OK (220)

(so the sound card was detected)

But later in the boot process, I also get lots of messages like:

/etc/rc2.d/S20alsa: alias: snd-slot-XX not found
/etc/rc2.d/S20alsa: alias: snd-card-XX not found
/etc/rc2.d/S20alsa: alias: snd-service-0-0 not found
/etc/rc2.d/S20alsa: alias: snd-mixer-oss not found

(These are not shown when I call dmesg, I had to press ctrl-S and copy
them during the boot process)

And when I start enlightenment, it complains about not being ble to
communicate with esound... Also, I can't use the sound device (it's
lwys busy).

I do not have the package "esound" installed, but I *do* have
"esound-alsa", version 0.2.18-2 (I just checked) 

What could have happened? 

I tried calling alsaconf, and it shows me a list of soundcards (so I
suppose it didn't detect the soundblaster automatically)... I can see:

"SoundBlaster_1.0"
"SoundBlaster_2.0"
"SoundBlaster_Pro"

And the others options are PnP and PCI cards (so I suppose they
wouldn't work).
I have tried choosing SoundBlaster_1.0, but it didn't work.

Does anyone have any idea of what i have to do to get this working
again?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
J.

-- 
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Institute of Computing - Unicamp - Brazil
http://www.dcc.unicamp.br/~jeronimo
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Module loading

[Kovacs Istvan]

Hello!

As some of my modules still won't load on demand, yesterday evening
(CET) I visited the IRC channel #debianhelp. There, someone told me
that not all modules are supposed to load on demand. Sure enough, the
drivers for my SCSI card, NIC, SB AWE32 won't load on demand, but work
fine with modprobe.
How can I tell which modules are supposed to auto-load and which are
not?
Also, where is it documented how module names and devices correspond to
each-other?

Please point me to T relevant FM, so I can R it.

TIA,
Kofa

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moving from procmail to exim

[Eric Gillespie, Jr.]

I have all my procmail rules converted to exim .forward rules,
except one, and i don't think it can be done with exim.

This is the rule:

:0
   * !^Content-Type: message/
   * !^Content-Type: multipart/
   * !^Content-Type: application/pgp
   {
  :0 fBw
  * ^-BEGIN PGP MESSAGE-
  * ^-END PGP MESSAGE-
  | formail \
 -i "Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=encrypt"

  :0 fBw
  * ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
  * ^-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
  * ^-END PGP SIGNATURE-
  | formail \
 -i "Content-Type: application/pgp; format=text; x-action=sign"
   }

This rule converts old-style PGP-signed messages to the new
PGP/MIME format. Is there any way i can get this functionality
with exim? Though i'd rather get rid of procmail entirely, if
having exim call procmail somehow is the only solution, i'll take
it. It's better than nothing.

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Re: PerlSendHeader

[w trillich]

Benjamin Reed wrote:
> 
> I've turned off PerlSendHeader, but no matter what I do, it seems that I'm
> already getting headers before I ever print anything.
> 
> I have the following in my httpd.conf:
> 
> ---(snip!)---
> Alias /perl/ /home/httpd/perl/
> 
>  SetHandler perl-script
>  PerlHandler Apache::Registry
>  PerlSendHeader Off
>  Options Indexes ExecCGI
> 
> ---(snip!)---
> 
> If I have a script called /home/httpd/perl/index.pl with only the following:
> 
> ---(snip!)---
> $|++;
> print < Content-type: text/html
> 
> Hi.
> END
> ---(snip!)---
> 
> I end up with "Content-type: text/html Hi." in the browser.

i had the same snag. i *think* what i was missing was that
the very first header that's included with 'perlSendHeaders on'
is "HTTP/1.1 200 OK" line.

check and see if your 'content-type' stuff is in a monospaced
font (courier, as opposed to times or helvetica). if it is,
that is, it looks like it's within  tags, then
it's been sent as plain text, not as html.

to double-check, put  or  in your output.

if it *is* just plain text, then apache didn't know what to
do with your output, perhaps because there was no "HTTP"
line, and bailed, telling the browser to expect text/plain
instead of what you intended.

maybe. just guessing.

Re: Emacs - was Re: Mail/news software

[Kovacs Istvan]

On Sun, 30 Apr 2000 19:35:31 -0400, Rob Lilley wrote:

>Different Strokes for different folks.
>
>Emacs - "Show a newbie that and you will see the dust as he turns
>and runs back to the Windows camp" .   Emacs and Linux/Unix
>for that matter is not for everybody - its there because of and
>for the growing few that want to learn to swim upstream against
>the current. [...]
>There is a romance behind all of this wonderful esoteric stuff
> - let's face it, those in the world of windows will never
>reach out and touch the actual kernel of it all.

I disagree with you: Linux is nice because it works, and not because
it's esoteric. That's exactly the reason why I chose OS/2 five years
ago, and why I'm switching to Linux now. As Linux matures, there'll be
less and less need to improve the kernel and the core services of the
OS, and more effort will be spent on the UI, including popular
applications, which means that more and more people will find the
system useful. Most of them won't want to 'touch the actual kernel of
it all', what they'll want is a usable system.
Emacs, vi, development tools are fine for developers (I also decided to
learn Emacs and vi -- not at the wizard level, but to be able to use
them when needed), and it's reasonable not to expect the masses to use
them, but it's not the same case with Linux (I hope :-)

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Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[w trillich]

Adam Shand wrote:
> 
> > clever solution. wish i'd come up with that one.
> 
> ain't that always the way ... :)
> 
> > here's the lo-down:
> >
> > :g <- globally--i.e. thru every line in the file
> 
> how is that different from :s/find/replace/g ?

ex is a LINE editor. if your line looks like this:
life is like a box of chocolates
you can issue
s/ /-/g
to turn it into
life-is-like-a-box-of-chocolates
that is, s///=substitute on this line, /g=globally ON THIS LINE (all
instances get replaced).

whereas
:g
denotes 'repeat on all LINES of the file'

so a ":g s///" will, on EACH LINE, replace the FIRST instance
of whatever; to replace all instances on each line you need
to use ":g s///g"

> > /^ *$/ <- for every line that is blank (zero or more spaces only)
> > +1 <- increment line counter (i.e. go to line following match!)
> 
> so this just moves it down a line right?  it finds the empty line and then
> goes down one.

right.

> > s/^ *  <- look for blanks at beginning of line
> > [^ ]/  <- that are followed by a non-blank
> > <- replace with a ""
> > &/ <- and the string that was matched
> 
> so & is a short hand way of using ()'s and  \1?

tha's my guess (i'm not absolutely positive, but the documentation
will clarify that, i'm sure).

> > of course if you have two blank lines in a row, it breaks...
> 
> it'll just put the '' at the beginning of the second blank line
> right?  is it possible to do two searches instead of
> incrementing the line counter?  ie. search for ^ *$ and then
> search for ^[^ ] so you are guarenteed to be at the next line of

no. on the s/// part, he had it look for non-blanks, which makes
it fail when it encounters a second blank line in a row:
:g/^ *$/+1 s/^ *[^ ]/&/

if you always have single blank lines (even with spaces on them)
this'll work, but it perishes when there's two in a row.

> > (probably better long-term solution is to use perl (or wml) to
> > filter your text.)
> 
> yeah, i'm checking out wml now, though with this solution i actually don't
> have a lot of need for one.

if you're just bringing a one-shot website from text to html,
then you're probably right. but if you do this kind of thing
often, either perl or wml (which uses perl, as i recall)
will save your bacon many times over...

Setting up printing without a printer (print to file)

[Bryan Scaringe]

I'd like to set up printing, but I don't have a printer.  What I would like to
do, is have things that are printed get sent out to a Postscript file.  Under
Windows I could accomplish this by setting up my default printer to an Aple
LaserWriter, and configuring the LaserWriter to print to a postscript file.

Is such a setup posible under Linux?

Bryan

Re: X display

[John Carline]

See, it did it again! This letter escaped from my last email :-)

r


John

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Re: modules

[Chris Gray]

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 02:31:12PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >is there a way to build a specific module from kernel source and install
> >it? without haveing to build a new kernel and do a make modules and such?
> 
> Yes. Do a 'make modules' in the kernel tree, then just copy the sound
> module (something.o) from wherever it gets built into the right place in
> /lib/modules. Then do '/sbin/depmod -a' and modprobe the module.

Even easier than "copying the module into the right place" is 'make
modules_install' which does it automagically.

Good luck,
Chris

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Re: X display

[John Carline]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:58:46PM +, John Carline wrote:
> > >
> > > > ( what is olwm and many other apprev...I done no!!)?
> >
> > Missed this question. Olwm is a windows manager not a xserver. You can
> > load one windows manager or several and then switch between them. Windows
> > managers are what you seed when the xserver starts. Everyone has their
> 
> s/seed/need/

A! Nope! Sorry, but you missed that one. Seed should have read 'see'.

I was wondering where that damn 'd' went. It was missing from an email I sent
out two days ago. Ain't it just amazing how a letter can hide in you computer
and then jump into an email when you least expect it??? ;-)


>
>
> For a visual and feature-wise comparison of window managers, try the
> Window Managers for X page
>
> http://www.plig.org/xwinman/
>

Excellent suggestion.

>
> ...though note that features not evident in static screenshots can make
> a tremendous differnce.  My pick is WindowMaker.  For a MS Windoze
> background newbie I'd suggest KDE and/or Gnome, in about that order.
> Blackbox is also cool.  Olwm is based off of Sun's OpenLook window
> manager.  Bretty bletchly IMO.
>
> > You also need a file manager. Take a look at TkDesk or midnight commander.
>
> s/need/may want/
>
> A file manager isn't essential.  ls, cp, rm, and mv will get you a long
> way .  However, there are several drag'n'drop file managers.

Absolutely true, and we don't need X either :-).

However one of the reasons I like TkDesk (especially for a newby) is that all
the above is included, plus an excellent editor, plus the ability to seed (er!
make the see ;-)) several directories deep. My recommendation for a newby is
choose TkDesk, set the options to see all files and long listing. Then browse
the directories at will, reading all the configuration files and readmes of
interest. It's amazing how much you can learn.

John.

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Re: Loading Debain by PPP connection

[Daniel Reuter]

Hello Dan,

On Mon, 1 May 2000, Dan Hutchinson wrote:

> I have loaded my home PC with the base system from debian download. 
> I try to connect to the web to download the debian packages from the
> web.
> When I run dselect it trys to connect through the NIC card I have.
> I have a PC with a NIC and a PPP modem. 
> What files to I have to manaul configure with a base debian system or
> can I run something like pppconfig. 
> 
> Dan

You not only can run pppconfig, you even HAVE to run it to get a working
ppp-connection, as your computer won't know the phone-number and all the
other information it needs to connect to your provider. pppconfig comes
with the base system, so it should be there. It's IMHO easy to use, just
enter some things as phone-number of your provider, DNS-Server etc.. After
having done this you should normally be able to start a connection with
the following command:
pon 
(as root or as member of the dip-group)
to terminate type:
poff

Regards,
Daniel

Re: Loading Debain by PPP connection

[Stan Kaufman]

Dan Hutchinson wrote:
> 
> I have loaded my home PC with the base system from debian download.
> I try to connect to the web to download the debian packages from the
> web. I installed the potato version.
> My problem is as follows:
> When I run dselect it trys to connect through the NIC card I have.
> I have a PC with a NIC and a PPP modem.  I am assuming the modem is 
> compatiably
> since it advertised Linux compatiablity.  It is a PC Call Waiting modem.
>  I have a dual Pentium 500 Celeron system with ABIT motherboard, 394MB
> memory, 20GB Hard Disk, Yamaha CD-RW, etc...
> 
> What files to I have to manaul configure with a base debian system or
> can I run something like pppconfig.
> 
> Dan

Dan, I recently went through this myself. Here's what worked for me:

Go to http://www.debian.org/Packages/unstable/net/pppoe.html
Download the pppoe package. (This assumes you can get to the ftp site
somehow--maybe another box?)
Install it: 
# dpkg --install pppoe.deb
That will also install the man pages; read 'em to find out what other
script modifications you need to make to:
/etc/ppp/pap-secrets
/etc/ppp/peers/dsl-provider (if you've got a DSL connection)
/etc/init.d/network
/etc/ppp/ppp_on_boot
Once you've done all this, you launch your ppp connection thus:
# /etc/init.d/ppp start
And you kill it thus:
# /etc/init.d/ppp stop

HTH.

Stan

Loading Debain by PPP connection

[Dan Hutchinson]

I have loaded my home PC with the base system from debian download. 
I try to connect to the web to download the debian packages from the
web. I installed the potato version. 
My problem is as follows:
When I run dselect it trys to connect through the NIC card I have.
I have a PC with a NIC and a PPP modem.  I am assuming the modem is compatiably
since it advertised Linux compatiablity.  It is a PC Call Waiting modem.
 I have a dual Pentium 500 Celeron system with ABIT motherboard, 394MB
memory, 20GB Hard Disk, Yamaha CD-RW, etc...

What files to I have to manaul configure with a base debian system or
can I run something like pppconfig. 

Dan

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lynx and squid

[ktb]

I've looked in the archives and the documentation for lynx.  I was
wondering if lynx can be set up to use squid on my firewall?  I see
there is a way to set up lynx in /etc/lynx.cfg to use an isp's proxy but
I haven't been able to get lynx to work with mine.  I have also tried to
sign in on my firewall with 'lynx -pauth=fkent:' but that
results in --
Warning, unable to connect to remote host.

If lynx can't be used with squid then is there a text browser out there
that will?
Thanks,
kent

Re: modules

[Colin Watson]

jason <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>is there a way to build a specific module from kernel source and install
>it? without haveing to build a new kernel and do a make modules and such?

Yes. Do a 'make modules' in the kernel tree, then just copy the sound
module (something.o) from wherever it gets built into the right place in
/lib/modules. Then do '/sbin/depmod -a' and modprobe the module.

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Re: Mail/news software

[m_shapiro]

On 30-Apr-00 Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2000, Phillip Deackes wrote:
> 
>> I disagree and am continually posting info about an excellent email app
>> called Ishmail. It was a commercial offerring but the source code has
>> now been released. It is available on www.ishmail.com
>> 
> 
> I looked at this a while back (and debianized it in the process.)  It's
> nice if you like that kind of thing but not my cup of tea.  I can send you
> my .deb if you like but I've no interest in officially maintaining it.
> 
> -- 
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

But does it handle USENET postings?

The original poster was asking for a package which would handles USENET, as
well as e-mail, and I am interested in this, as well.  From what I could see on
the ishmail pages (granted, I was in a hurry and did not read all of it), I
could find no indication that this was also useable as a newsreader.  Did I
miss something?



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 -- Linux IS user-friendly.  It is just picky about who its friends are.

Re: webmin

[Nathan E Norman]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 01:21:15AM -0500, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote:

[ snip ]

> experimental - This is a special distribution for packages the maintainer
> feels shouldn't even go into unstable. For this reason it is not
> apt-gettable. It can be found at ftp.debian.org (or a mirror) in
> /pub/debian/projects/experimental .

Au contraire .. put this in your sources.list:

  # experimental
  deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian project/experimental/

It might not be a good idea, but it works :)

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Re: How to find DMA, IRQ etc. Was: OPTi sound card support

[Robert Waldner]

On Mon, 01 May 2000 03:54:21 PDT, John Bagdanoff writes:
>On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:04:39PM +1000, Douglas M. Hespe wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:55:32PM +0200, Kent Nyberg wrote (inter alia):
>> 
>> > Just set the right dma and irq stuff, and it will work.
>> 
>> Does anyone know how to find out these things without resort to MSD,
>> the Micro$oft Diagnostics.  My machine is pure Debian 2.1r4 and, 
>> although I could probably borrow a copy of DOS 6.2 and put it on 
>> a small partition, I would rather not for both legal and personal
>> reasons.  Apropos irq/IRQ/dma/DMA gave "nothing appropriate" in 
>> each case.
>> 
>Goto:
>http://www.opensound.com/
>
>download & install their OSS for linux. It's free for about
>3 hours or so.  Soundconfig will
>see your card and you can note the settings. 

another approach would be to browse through /proc/[pci,ioports,dma,irq]
and/or fingering around with pnpdump for ISA-cards.

hth,
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Re: Installing lp in potato...

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Apr 28, 2000 at 01:32:17PM -0500, Ron Stordahl wrote:
> When selecting the device driver module for lp (line printer) in potato I
> get this error:
> 
> /lib/modules/2.2.14/misc/lp.o: init_module: Device or resource busy
> /lib/modules/2.2.14/misc/lp.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.14/misc/lp.o failed
> /lib/modules/2.2.14/misc/lp.o: insmod lp failed
> 
> Installation failed.
> 
> =
> 
> I do not get this error if I install slink instead, its new to potato, at
> least for me.
> 
> Since I have my harddrive on a plug in carrier, I plugged in the Win98 disc
> to verify that nothing has gone wrong with my lp controller (its the typical
> on board one) and it works just fine.  It is configured, in the BIOS, as
> 378H IRQ 7 ECP+EPP ECP DMA Select 3.
> 
> Rather than use the default of leaving the command line arguments blank I
> also tried io=0x378 irq=7 but the error was the same.
> 
> Is this the correct group to report this?
> 
> Any ideas?

I'm not sure that this would affect installation of the module itself,
but lp device numbering changed between kernels 2.0.x and 2.2.x.

Have you compiled a new kernel yet?  The modules off the install disks
are a bit dodgy (this bug may have been fixed however).

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Re: Potato networking

[Ethan Benson]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 06:24:34PM -0400, Alec Smith wrote:
> I just installed Potato using the Potato boot disks, and found there's no 
> more /etc/init.d/network for setting things up. As it stands now, the 
> machine is using DHCP to get settings. It appears this also overwrites 
> custom changes to /etc/resolv.conf at the very least.
> 
> Does someone have a sample of /etc/networking/interfaces which allows for 
> static configuration similar to what used to be done in /etc/init.d/network?
> 
> If I were in charge of Debian, I'd go back to doing this the old way

you still can do it the old way, just comment out everything in
/etc/networking/interfaces (or maybe just delete it) and add you own
/etc/init.d/network script using update-rc.d to add the links.  

i installed potato before this was changed and never `converted' all
is working fine for me.  

the reason it was changed was to allow for easier upgrading of the
network configuration, this is not very easy with the flat script so
for example when you upgrade a slink system to kernel 2.2 you start
getting SIOCCATTR (something like that) errors at boot because the
route command requires different arguments.  (that and you don't
really need the route command anymore on 2.2, except for the localhost
route which never gets created (not that it seems to matter, i just
prefer to see a route for localhost))

at the risk of joey throwing something at me... ;-)  i still prefer the
old way.

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How to configure X?

[Eduardo Hidalgo Contreras]

Hello, I have just installed debian GNU/Linux. I selected the 
Workstation_Comp or something like that so I could get some packages 
installed and not have to use the [S]elect step in dselect. I thought it 
would install everything I need for X Window, but I guess not... I can't 
run it.


I allready ran XF68Setup, as well as xf86config, and I also downloaded and 
installed the correct drivers for my graphics card (Diamond Viper V770 
Ultra). I have configured and installed those drivers in other Linux 
distributions (Red Hat 6 and Slackware 7), but I can't do it in Debian.


When I use startx I errors like: "_X11TransSocketUNIXConnect: Can't 
connect: errno = 111

and after that some errors about "directory not found".

I also downloaded all the xf86_servers, that is: svga, vga16, mono, etc, 
etc, etc...


Thanks for all your help.

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Re: How to find DMA, IRQ etc.? Was: OPTi sound card support

[John Bagdanoff]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 05:04:39PM +1000, Douglas M. Hespe wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:55:32PM +0200, Kent Nyberg wrote (inter alia):
> 
> > Just set the right dma and irq stuff, and it will work.
> 
> Does anyone know how to find out these things without resort to MSD,
> the Micro$oft Diagnostics.  My machine is pure Debian 2.1r4 and, 
> although I could probably borrow a copy of DOS 6.2 and put it on 
> a small partition, I would rather not for both legal and personal
> reasons.  Apropos irq/IRQ/dma/DMA gave "nothing appropriate" in 
> each case.
> 
Goto:
http://www.opensound.com/

download & install their OSS for linux. It's free for about
3 hours or so.  Soundconfig will
see your card and you can note the settings. 

John

Re: New kernel (2.2.15), now keyboard/machine freezes often

[Christian Kuester]

On Mon, May 01, 2000 at 05:38:17PM +0930, Mark Phillips wrote:
> > I've just compiled and installed a new kernel (version 2.2.15) on a
> > friend's Toshiba laptop.  He has emailed me today complaining about
> > keyboard freezes.  Actually, I'm not sure from his comments, whether
> > it is just the keyboard that freezes or the whole computer.

It happens also on my Toshiba Sattelite. With (the precompiled) Kernel
from RedHat 6.1(de)i 2.2.12 and my selfcompiled 2.2.14. 
Both with APM.

[...]
> The freeze happens often after booting.  One time it worked for a
> while, but then froze when changing consoles.

I think it happens during init 3.
 
> I am guessing it is either
[...]

I will test this Ideas.

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Re: New kernel (2.2.15), now keyboard/machine freezes often

[Mark Phillips]

> I've just compiled and installed a new kernel (version 2.2.15) on a
> friend's Toshiba laptop.  He has emailed me today complaining about
> keyboard freezes.  Actually, I'm not sure from his comments, whether
> it is just the keyboard that freezes or the whole computer.

An update on the problem.  I have confirmed that it is not the whole
computer which freezes.  It is the keyboard in the console which
freezes (the console also seems to go blank).  I know this because I
can connect to the machine via telnet over the ethernet from another
machine.

The freeze happens often after booting.  One time it worked for a
while, but then froze when changing consoles.

I am guessing it is either

1. A interrupt conflict with the keyboard.  But /proc/interrupts
doesn't seem to show any conflict --- would it show up here?

2. A problem with APM options in the kernel.  Are there any options to
watch out for with the Toshiba Tecra 8000?

3. Some other kernel options wrongly selected for the compile.


Any ideas anyone?

Thanks,

Mark.


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Re: X display

[kmself]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 05:58:46PM +, John Carline wrote:
> >
> > > ( what is olwm and many other apprev...I done no!!)?
> 
> Missed this question. Olwm is a windows manager not a xserver. You can
> load one windows manager or several and then switch between them. Windows
> managers are what you seed when the xserver starts. Everyone has their

s/seed/need/

For a visual and feature-wise comparison of window managers, try the
Window Managers for X page

http://www.plig.org/xwinman/

...though note that features not evident in static screenshots can make
a tremendous differnce.  My pick is WindowMaker.  For a MS Windoze 
background newbie I'd suggest KDE and/or Gnome, in about that order.
Blackbox is also cool.  Olwm is based off of Sun's OpenLook window
manager.  Bretty bletchly IMO.

> You also need a file manager. Take a look at TkDesk or midnight commander.

s/need/may want/

A file manager isn't essential.  ls, cp, rm, and mv will get you a long
way .  However, there are several drag'n'drop file managers.

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Re: [*]ntfs and kernel

[Corey Popelier]

Ok scrap that idea. That's what I get for posting without thinking. Plan
(b), note I might be entirely wrong again, is that installing the .deb for
2.0.33 is a rather bad idea, you should be compiling the support in using
the 2.0.38 kernel source. I would have thought that NTFS support would be
an option inside make menuconfig (or whatever make method you use), and by
installing the 2.0.33 version you've effectively downgraded the NTFS
support. Note again that it's so long since I played with Hamm that I
could be wrong. Point I'm making is, you should be looking for a
ntfs2.0.38* deb package or a module option within the 2.0.38 source for
your NTFS support. Being a potato user I can't advise any further.

If I am wrong again, I will effectively quarantine my support services
until my braincells reach an acceptably high number.

Cheers,
 Corey Popelier
 http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas
 Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 1 May 2000, Corey Popelier wrote:

> I would suggest going to http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists
> and look for a ntfs2.0.38*.deb somewhere in the hamm section there,
> possibly under binary-i386/main.
> 
> I am trying to verify this myself, but my netlink from work sucks ass.
> 
> Cheers,
>  Corey Popelier
>  http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas
>  Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> On Mon, 1 May 2000, maths wrote:
> 
> > hello everybody
> > 
> > i want to mount ntfs, so i install ntfs2.0.33_971218-4.deb,
> > i use 
> > 
> > # insmod -f ntfs.o 
> > 
> > and it tell me this ntfs.o is for kernel 2.0.33, and im using
> > kernel 2.0.38
> > 
> > what shall i do? 
> > 
> > many thanks!
> > **  
> > zhang  xiaolei
> > Department  of   mathematics  
> > GuangZhou  Normal University  
> > mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > ** 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [*]ntfs and kernel

[Corey Popelier]

I would suggest going to http://archive.debian.org/debian-archive/dists
and look for a ntfs2.0.38*.deb somewhere in the hamm section there,
possibly under binary-i386/main.

I am trying to verify this myself, but my netlink from work sucks ass.

Cheers,
 Corey Popelier
 http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas
 Work Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

On Mon, 1 May 2000, maths wrote:

> hello everybody
> 
> i want to mount ntfs, so i install ntfs2.0.33_971218-4.deb,
> i use 
> 
> # insmod -f ntfs.o 
> 
> and it tell me this ntfs.o is for kernel 2.0.33, and im using
> kernel 2.0.38
> 
> what shall i do? 
> 
> many thanks!
> **  
> zhang  xiaolei
> Department  of   mathematics  
> GuangZhou  Normal University  
> mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> ** 
> 
> 
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Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

> >>"Mark" == Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
>  Mark> I think this is the problem.  I shouldn't have to do the configuring
>  Mark> myself because make-kpkg should do it for me.  For some reason it
>  Mark> seems that it doesn't.  It sounds like a bug with make-kpkg.
> 
>No, this is pilot error. Please read the documentation that
>  comes with kernel-package; it details exactly what one needs to do. 

I thought I was following the documentation, but it sounds like I
misread it.

I presume you are talking about the "README.modules" file?  I did
follow these instructions, except that I have always been under the
impression that the first "step 3)" was optional.  If I summarise the
steps:

1) Install modules source

2) Do "make menuconfig"

3) If you want a kernel-image do "make-kpkg --revision number
kernel_image"

3) If you want a modules package "make-kpkg --revision number
modules_image"

4) Use "dpkg -i" to install. 

I thought that the first of these "step 3)"s was only necessary if you
wanted a new kernel-image package.  Are you saying that the first
"step 3)" is necessary even if you already have an appropriate kernel
image?  I thought I had skipped this step in the past without difficulty.  
But perhaps I had done the kernel compilation earlier without doing a 
clean and that's why it worked???

Anyway, it sounds like I have misunderstood.  Perhaps an extra little
note that this step is not optional as well as giving the two steps
separate numbers would help avoid such missunderstandings.

The other thing I might mention, is that a number of the files,
"README.modules", "README.tecra" etc etc, do not appear in the
/usr/doc/kernel-package directory.  Then are in the
/usr/lib/kernel-package/ directory.  I only found them by doing a
"locate" command.  Perhaps it would be useful to make links to these
files so they show up in the /usr/doc/kernel-package directory?

By the way, I hope my comments aren't coming across as me being
critical of the kernel-package.  I think Manoj has done a great job
with this utility.  I am just making the comments so that things can
be made even better, and so that future people don't make the same
mistakes I have made.

Cheers,

Mark.



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dns/named conf-usion [OT]

[w trillich]

there are docs that tell what all the fields are spozed to be
in an /etc/bind/* file, sure, but where's the docs that tell me
why my configuration generates all this griping from named?

# ndc restart

/var/log/syslog reports that...
named[26622]: starting.  named 8.2.2-P5-NOESW Tue Apr 11 14:22:53 MDT
2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/src/Packages/bind/bind-8.2.2p5/src/bin/named
named[26622]: hint zone "" (IN) loaded (serial 0)
named[26622]: master zone "localhost" (IN) loaded (serial 1)
named[26622]: master zone "127.in-addr.arpa" (IN) loaded (serial 1)
named[26622]: master zone "0.in-addr.arpa" (IN) loaded (serial 1)
named[26622]: master zone "255.in-addr.arpa" (IN) loaded (serial 1)
okay, to here. then--
named[26622]: Zone "mydomain.com" (file /etc/bind/mydomain): No
default TTL set using SOA minimum instead
named[26622]: /etc/bind/mydomain:16: data "localhost" outside zone
"mydomain.com" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/mydomain:17: data "dns.isp.net" outside zone
"mydomain.com" (ignored)
named[26622]: master zone "mydomain.com" (IN) loaded (serial 24191)
named[26622]: Zone "90.33.208.in-addr.arpa" (file
/etc/bind/mydomain.rev): No default TTL set using SOA minimum instead
named[26622]: master zone "90.33.208.in-addr.arpa" (IN) loaded (serial 
24193)
named[26622]: Zone "pri" (file /etc/bind/pri): No default TTL set
using SOA minimum instead
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:14: data "home" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:21: data "linus" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:22: data "jonathon" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:24: data "jonathon" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:24: data "libris" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: /etc/bind/pri:26: data "libris" outside zone "pri" (ignored)
named[26622]: master zone "pri" (IN) loaded (serial 24193)
named[26622]: Zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" (file /etc/bind/pri.rev):
No default TTL set using SOA minimum instead
named[26622]: Zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" (file /etc/bind/pri.rev):
no NS RRs found at zone top
named[26622]: master zone "1.168.192.in-addr.arpa" (IN) rejected due
to errors (serial 24192)
named[26622]: listening on [127.0.0.1].53 (lo)
named[26622]: listening on [192.168.1.1].53 (eth0)
named[26622]: listening on [208.33.90.85].53 (eth1)
named[26622]: Forwarding source address is [0.0.0.0].1500

questions--

1) says in both mydomain zone or pri zone that i have no TTL field,
but i do, really i do. see below.

2) why would it ignore items outside the zone--else how could
www.some.mirror.com point to www.uk.mirror.com as a network participant
in a geographically-different location?

3) for my 192.168.*.* intranet, i'd like to have the computers chat
to each other with simple one-word names 'libris' instead of 'libris.pri'.
how's that work?

=
here's "pri"--
;
; BIND data file for private home intranet
;
@   IN  SOA pri. root.pri. (
24193   ; Serial
8H  ; Refresh
2H  ; Retry
1W  ; Expire
1D ); Default TTL
TXT "private home intranet"
NS  ns
A   192.168.1.1
;
home.   CNAME   @
www A   208.33.90.85
;
localhost   A   127.0.0.1
ns  A   192.168.1.1
TXT "the glue"
linus.  CNAME   ns
jonathon.   A   192.168.1.100
TXT "el grafico"
libris. A   192.168.1.200
TXT "et felis"

=
here's "pri.rev"--
;
; BIND REVERSE data file for pri
; (1.168.192.in-addr.arpa)
;
@   IN  SOA pri. root.pri. (
24192   ; Serial
8H  ; Refresh
2H  ; Retry
1W  ; Expire
1D ); Default TTL
;
1   IN  PTR ns.pri.
;1  IN  PTR linus.pri.
100 IN  PTR jonathon.
200 IN  PTR libris.

=
here's "mydomain"--
;
; BIND data file for mydomain.com
;
@   IN  SOA mydomain.com. root.mydomain.com. (
24191   ; Serial
8H  ; Refresh
2H  ; Retry
1W  ; Expire
1D ); Default TTL
TXT "mydomain website"
NS  ns.mydomain.com.
;   NS  dns.speedex.net.
MX  10  mail
A   208.33.90.85
;
localhost.  A   127.0.0.1
dns.speedex.net.A   208.33.88.5
; 

[*]ntfs and kernel

[maths]

hello everybody

i want to mount ntfs, so i install ntfs2.0.33_971218-4.deb,
i use 

# insmod -f ntfs.o 

and it tell me this ntfs.o is for kernel 2.0.33, and im using
kernel 2.0.38

what shall i do? 

many thanks!
**  
zhang  xiaolei
Department  of   mathematics  
GuangZhou  Normal University  
mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
** 

Re: list suggestion? [was Another dpkg or apt-get question from a new user]

[Maury R. Merkin]

Well I, for one, sure would have appreciated such an addition to the message 
tag (or
monthly notice)

I've been using Linux since late 1994 so, if I'm not a guru [and I'm certainly 
not],
I do have some fairly rich general skills/knowledge.  But I started with 
Slackware
and then, somewhere along the way, switched to RH.  Moving, about two weeks ago 
now,
to Debian has been in many ways a joy, but some specific parts of the change 
have
been a lot harder to recover from than I had expected.

Most of the "problems" could have been resolved instantaneously if I had had a 
good
source of information about the way the Debian system handles packages.  And
specifically, what to expect from (and how to get the most out of) the 'dpkg,'
'dselect' and 'apt-get' commands.  (Are there other, related, commands that I 
haven't
run across yet?)

And I would still enjoy seeing some of those http links you suggested below.

Maury

w trillich wrote:

> the simple answer to the question 'how do i know what files are
> in the package i installed?' was
>
> dpkg -L 
>
> things like this are standard knowledge among debian folk who
> have been on this list for a few weeks--but for the new folk,
> it's a complete mystery, but each one of us has had to ask
> the same questions... again and again.
>
> i know that the questions i've asked have often been 'one too many'
> for some of you. :)
>
> perhaps we could add, to the 'unsubscribe' tag at the end of each
> message sent by the list-server (see the bottom of this message),
> an URL pointing to one DEBIAN-SPECIFIC newbie-like page containing
> pointers to such stuff as
> 'what's slink, potato, sid, & such?' --> http link
> 'how to upgrade your debian software' --> apt-get
> 'how to configure apt-get' --> /etc/apt/sources.list --> http link
> 'why we retch all over those *.rpm files' --> http link
> 'what package uses file XYZ' --> dpkg -S 
> 'which files are in package Q' --> dpkg -L 
> 'know what's in a *.deb package before you apt-get it' --> http link
> --
> plus, pointers to linux-general stuff, perhaps...
> 'apache configs' --> apache.org
> 'email configs' --> fetchmail, sendmail, exim, &c
> 'samba configs' --> samba.org
> &c
>
> if we don't wanna add another line to the 'unsubscribe' tag at
> the end of each message, perhaps post a monthly (or periodic, at
> least) newbie pointer-list?
>
> might help cut the friction/grease the wheels?
>
> [ our site isn't stable yet or i'd volunteer. (politics and procedures
> impede, for the moment.) ]
>
> --
>
> currently, www.debian.org has a few pointers to 'getting started':
> -support:
> - subscribe to this mailing list (and here we are! aaugh!)
> - contact package maintainers (they have nothing better to do)
> -documentation:
> - faq-o-matic <== PLEASE CONTRIBUTE! <==
> - faq
> - "getting debian" mentions 'apt-get' near the bottom
> - "archives" describes distribution directories
> - debian guide (still rather intimidating)
> - debuan tutorial (chapter 14! mentions configuring apt-get)
> -release info
> great for the tech-heads who understand it
> (say, someone who was a newbie four months ago)
> even the useful links here are buried three deep or so. why not have
> these links be at the top level of a 'debian newbie' site, the URL
> of which is added to the 'unsubscribe' tag below?
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Re: How to find DMA, IRQ etc.? Was: OPTi sound card support

[Douglas M. Hespe]

On Thu, Apr 27, 2000 at 02:55:32PM +0200, Kent Nyberg wrote (inter alia):

> Just set the right dma and irq stuff, and it will work.

Does anyone know how to find out these things without resort to MSD,
the Micro$oft Diagnostics.  My machine is pure Debian 2.1r4 and, 
although I could probably borrow a copy of DOS 6.2 and put it on 
a small partition, I would rather not for both legal and personal
reasons.  Apropos irq/IRQ/dma/DMA gave "nothing appropriate" in 
each case.

Thanks, Doug.

Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Mark" == Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Mark> I think this is the problem.  I shouldn't have to do the configuring
 Mark> myself because make-kpkg should do it for me.  For some reason it
 Mark> seems that it doesn't.  It sounds like a bug with make-kpkg.

   No, this is pilot error. Please read the documentation that
 comes with kernel-package; it details exactly what one needs to do. 

   manoj
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Re: /var/spool/popbull?

[w trillich]

> Robert Waldner  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >Anyone knows what this and $HOME/.popbull are for?
> 
> Read the manual page of qpopper, and read the docs in
> /usr/doc/qpopper/ ... it's all documented.

it *is* usually documented, but going from the filename
(.popbull) to the name of the manpage (qpopper) is something
of a mystery to many of us.

(another plug for a debian newbie link on the mailing list
along with the 'unsubscribe' tag below)

Re: daemons -- who needs'em?

[w trillich]

John Pearson wrote:
> 
> On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 04:23:50PM -0500, w trillich wrote
> > but what i was referring to was the console-happy curses-based gizmo
> > that ran only on the FIRST BOOT after installing bare-bones kernel
> > stuff from cd. blue screen, white selector bars, and TAB to rotate
> > among the choices.
> >
> 
> I'm afraid you won't see tha unless you re-install - it's part of the
> dinstall script that is deleted after installation.  All it really does
> is
> # dpkg --set-selections < profile.whatever
> and you can get the actual package lists it uses from the boot-floppies
> package (I think).

thought it was something like that.

> IMO, they are a mixed blessing - they mean that a new user can
> skip dselect, which is the most harrowing step for most new
> users, but they also mean that users end up with (e.g.) NIS
> installed when they have no idea what it's for or whether they
> need to worry about the error messages it produces.

or about the flames they get when asking if they need such a beast..

:)

thanks for the info!

This may be OT....SMP build question

[Nun Yobiznez]

I have recently put together a Atrend ATC6260 Dual
PII 400 w/ 128 SDRAM and installed frozen on it using
dselect's apt option. The default uni-kernel I soon
replaced w/ make-kpkg of the 2.2.14-5 (debian aquired)
variety and it is perfect EXCEPT that upon boot klogd
will monopolize 50% of the kernel resources until
termed.
This is less than an optimal situation. I have
read the bug list and nothing seems to indicate
symptoms that are the same. If you could help I would
greatly appreciate it. 

Thanking you in advance

Tim Stetson
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Re:

[Matthew Dalton]

Mowie nie po polsku. Czy ty mowisz po angielsku?

Stach wrote:
> 
> Dla mnie jest super, że jest strona o Debianie, mały problem po co ona jest
> skoro i tak najważniejsze rzeczy są w języku angielskim, po co marnować
> miejsce na serwerze. Może da się coś z tym zrobić?
> 
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> http://www.Empik.com przesyla zamowione towary GRATIS!
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Re: your mail

[kmself]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 03:57:37PM +0300, Sahap Kayhan wrote:
> I am using Windows98. I want to learn and try Linux system. What can
> I do? I am waiting for your explanation messages. Thanks.

Along with other suggestions, I'd strongly recommend you either find
local training/education in Linux (offered through many Linux user
groups, community colleges, etc.), and/or pick up books such as:

  o Learning Debian GNU/Linux 
  o Running Linux
  o Linux in a Nutshell

...all published by O'Reilly & Associates (http://www.ora.com/).  

The first is available online at
http://www.oreilly.com/catalog/debian/chapter/index.html

Catalog price is $34.95, I've seen it frequently priced at $20 - $25.
It includes an installation disk.

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How can I trim LC_MESSAGES?

[montefin]

Hi,

I have potato on a smallish HDD. I need to trim every meg possible.

/usr/share/locale is using about 24Mb for various foreign language
LC_MESSAGES.

Can I remove some of the language directories there by hand without
hurting anything? dselect, dpkg and apt-get say packages (locale-zh,
locale-ro, locale-ru, etc.) are not installed.

Thanks,

montefin

Re: gnus froze emacs20

[itz]

> "Istvan" == Kovacs Istvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Istvan> Hello!  I tried gnus, recommended by several people (thanks to
Istvan> all who responded!), and it froze my emacs20. Here's what I
Istvan> wrote to John Hasler, one of the people trying to help: --- I
Istvan> installed gnus (gnus_5.8.3-9.deb) on top of Emacs20. I
Istvan> launched emacs, started the tutorial, it seemed to be working.

I am a longtime Gnus user and I am _sure_ you don't need the separate
Gnus package.  Gnus is part of Emacs20.  I think the Gnus package is
just for use with Emacs19.

You may have shot yourself in the foot by installing too much stuff
:-)

-- 
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In his own soul a man bears the source
from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys.
Sophocles.

Re:

[w trillich]

> Sahap Kayhan wrote:
> 
> I am using Windows98. I want to learn and try Linux system. What can
> I do? I am waiting for your explanation messages. Thanks.

buy a CD (www.linuxmall.com is one place you can get them
for Really Really Cheap--around $2.00 [u.s.] per distribution)
and install it on a PC. if you have a fast internet connection
you can download the kernels for free...
www.debian.org
www.redhat.com
www.openbsd.com
www.yellowdoglinux.com --> for powerpc (mac hardware)
check www.linuxcentral.com or other linux sites for other links.

tinker with it for a month, and then start over with another
distribution. repeat, until you get to debian, where you'll
probably stop.

:)

modules

[jason]

is there a way to build a specific module from kernel source and install
it? without haveing to build a new kernel and do a make modules and such?

ie .. i don't feel like screwing witht he kernel that came w/ slink but i
want to add a sound module.. after finals i'll do it the right way..
thanks

 

-jason

"When you are courting a nice girl an hour seems like a second.  When you
sit on a red-hot cinder a second seems like an hour. That's relativity."
-Einstein

Re: High load

[Raghavendra Bhat]

Suresh Kumar posts:

> I have never seen load averages going above 2
> earlier with redhat installation. 
> 

On a similar setup while running Netscape ?  Please
install libc5 and libg++272 found in /oldlibs of the
Debian 'slink' CD.


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Re: mutt and courier-imapd

[Adam Shand]

> Thanks for tracking this down! Hopefully, it will be fixed in courier
> soon, but in the meantime, your patch works great! I've gone back to
> using courier again.

just fyi there was a patch to courier imap to fix this problem (and one with
gnus) announced on freshmeat today.

adam.

Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[Adam Shand]

> I'm no pro, but the following, without squashing works. And yes, I know
> that at the end of the file it might give an error.

> :g/^ *$/+1 s/^ *[^ ]/&/

that does indeed do the trick!  now i just have to decipher the regex so i
understand it.

thanks!
adam.

Re: XFree86 4.0 and Xterm colors...

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, Apr 30, 2000 at 06:02:07PM -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> I've installed, and managed to get working, XFree86 4.0.  The only big
> problem remaining is that all of the terminal colors are really weird.
> I now get pink on magenta and other generally unreadable color
> combinations when I run mutt, slrn, etc.  I've been trying to figure
> out where these colors got messed up, and I guessed it was in the new
> terminfo entries.  Unfortunately, I don't know which ones are mucked up
> or how to change them.  Any pointer's would be handy.
> 
> Thanks.
> -- 

I've gotten around this temporarily by using gnome-terminal instead. 

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Re: Obtaining KDE

[str8edge]

Hi,
If you check out http://kde.tdyc.com you will find all the information you need 
to get kde working
on debian. Worked great for me, I'm using woody. They have packages for
slink too. You can also find lines for /etc/apt/sources.list

you will also want to use the following line to change the window manager
/usr/sbin/update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

choose /usr/bin/kde, and all is good.

Hope this helps,
David


On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 11:47:13AM +, Steve White wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> I have been trying most of the morning to obtain the KDE distribution
> from ftp.linuxberg.com and have thus far been unsuccessful. I am using
> apt in dselect and cannot seem to find the right combination of strings
> to enter so that it can find the package file.
> 
> When prompted, I am providing a path to the package file ending in a /.
> (i.e. /pub/KDE/stable/distribution/deb/slink/.), which contains a
> packages.gz file and all the appropriate .deb files. However, dselect
> continues to prompt for the "components to get", providing "main contrib
> non-free" as examples, but there is no such directory structure.
> 
> How then do I force apt to look at the Packages.gz file and download the
> appropriate .deb files knowing where on an ftp site these files reside?
> (It seems to me that apt is assuming a very specific underlying
> directory structure and I cannot figure out how to circumvent this
> assumption).
> 
> Best Regards,
> Steve
> 
> 
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XFree86 4.0 and Xterm colors...

[Eric G . Miller]

I've installed, and managed to get working, XFree86 4.0.  The only big
problem remaining is that all of the terminal colors are really weird.
I now get pink on magenta and other generally unreadable color
combinations when I run mutt, slrn, etc.  I've been trying to figure
out where these colors got messed up, and I guessed it was in the new
terminfo entries.  Unfortunately, I don't know which ones are mucked up
or how to change them.  Any pointer's would be handy.

Thanks.
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Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[Adam Shand]

that's useful, thanks.  i've never used macro's in vi, i'll play with it.  i
need to check out wml as well as someone else suggested ;)

adam.

On Sat, 29 Apr 2000, Rick Younie wrote:

> On Sat, Apr 29, 2000, Adam Shand wrote:
> > 
> > > A two-liner is
> > > %s/^//   - add  to the start of each line
> > > %s/^$//  - remove any lines that contain only 
> > 
> > nope won't work.  it'll put a ' ' at the beginning of every line which
> > has text in it.  thus this:
> 
> Ah.  Don't know how to do that with regex's but you can get it
> done with record/playback with Vim and Elvis.  You probably
> already know this.
> 
> qa - start recording to register a
> /^$  - go to first blank line
> 
> nsert and type 
> 
> q  - stop recording
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  - repeats the recorded keystrokes a bunch of times
> 
> If you have multiple adjacent blank lines you'll need to
> squash them to one,
> :g/^$/,/./-j
> 
> Gotta be an easier way though.  Maybe one of the vi pros will drop in.
> 
> Rick
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Re: multi line regex's in vi ...

[John Forest]

On Sat, Apr 29, 2000 at 08:13:21PM -0700, Rick Younie wrote:
> On Sat, Apr 29, 2000, Adam Shand wrote:
> > 
> > > A two-liner is
> > > %s/^//   - add  to the start of each line
> > > %s/^$//  - remove any lines that contain only 
> > 
> > nope won't work.  it'll put a ' ' at the beginning of every line which
> > has text in it.  thus this:
> 
> Ah.  Don't know how to do that with regex's but you can get it
> done with record/playback with Vim and Elvis.  You probably
> already know this.
> 
> qa - start recording to register a
> /^$  - go to first blank line
> 
> nsert and type 
> 
> q  - stop recording
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]  - repeats the recorded keystrokes a bunch of times
> 
> If you have multiple adjacent blank lines you'll need to
> squash them to one,
> :g/^$/,/./-j
> 
> Gotta be an easier way though.  Maybe one of the vi pros will drop in.
> 
> Rick
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I'm no pro, but the following, without squashing works. And yes,
I know that at the end of the file it might give an error.
:g/^ *$/+1 s/^ *[^ ]/&/

John

Re: make-kpkg fail: can't find modversions.h (compiling pcmcia-modules)

[Mark Phillips]

> Mark Phillips <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I am trying to use make-kpkg to make a pcmcia-modules package for a
> > laptop.  It quits giving the following error:
> > 
> > /usr/src/linux/include/linux/module.h:19: linux/modversions.h: No such 
> > file or directory
> > 
> > and sure enough, I can't find a file called "modversions.h" anywhere
> > on the system!!
> 
> I stumbled over this one when trying to compile the ALSA modules, took
> me a whole day to find why ...
> 
> "modversions.h" is a file being created in the kernel compiling
> process. You have to build a new *kernel* before beeing able to make a
> modules package. Don't do a "make-kpkg clean" after that, because the
> file will be deleted by the cleaning up. Just proceed with making the
> modules package.

Thanks for this.  Yes, I finally worked this out too.  Do you think it
is a bug in the make-kpkg program?

I don't see why it should be necessary to compile the kernel before
doing the modules compile.  Certainly, it never used to be necessary.

Cheers,

Mark.


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