Re: Can't "make xconfig" for kernel-2.3.99-pre8

[Pollywog]

I was able to use 'make xconfig' on this kernel, but this kernel version has 
been a disappointment for me.  I could not get iptables to work, I cannot get 
KDE to start under this kernel (kde 1.90 beta) and I can't even connect to 
the Internet while using kernel 2.3.99-pre8.

--
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Re: Can't "make xconfig" for kernel-2.3.99-pre8

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

:: On Sat, 20 May 2000 23:29:45 -0400, "S. Salman Ahmed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
said:

Yes...
I remember there was such a problem, and a patch was posted to the
linux-kernel list... I don't have it, though.

J.

> I decided to try out kernel 2.3.99-pre8 but "make xconfig" is breaking
> for some reason:

> @phoenix:[/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre8] make xconfig
> rm -f include/asm
> ( cd include ; ln -sf asm-i386 asm)
> make -C scripts kconfig.tk
> make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre8/scripts'
> cat header.tk >> ./kconfig.tk
> ./tkparse < ../arch/i386/config.in >> kconfig.tk
> drivers/net/Config.in: 221: can't handle dep_bool/dep_mbool/dep_tristate 
> condition
> make[1]: *** [kconfig.tk] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/linux-2.3.99-pre8/scripts'
> make: *** [xconfig] Error 2
> Exit 2


> make config|menuconfig, however, are fine. Has anyone else experienced
> this problem ?

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Re: Stuck...

[Martin Bialasinski]

* "w" == w trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

w> if it were clear on how to exit mc, i'd be more in favor
w> of recommending it to the new folk...

w> (i tried it from a telnet session where the Fkeys don't
w> exactly work as they should...

Well, this is a problem of this particular telnet implementation/setup 
not mc, no?

BTW: ESC + 0 ^= F10

Ciao,
Martin

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:07:00PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> > I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much faster
> > to install something.  Of course, it's also faster to throw my clothes
> > on the floor, rather than put them in the hamper...
> 
> That is a result of the fact that rpm uses a binary database for its
> data, while dpkg uses a large number of text-files instead. The
> advantage of that is that it is robust (if a single file gets corrupted
> it's not much of a problem), and that it is possible to fix or modify
> things by hand using a normal text editor if needed.

this is a tremendous advantage of dpkg, it should never be changed to
use a binary database.  the human readable/editable dpkg database has
saved me from having to reinstall a system from scratch when the /var
partition was destroyed and had to be restored with a slightly out of
date backup.  dpkg was broken due to the inconsistent databases but it
only took a little bit of editing to fix it.

redhat dists on the other hand are said to be un-upgradable because the
binary databases become corrupted so easy.  (see archives of the
linux-config mailing list for this) 

> Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but
> uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database.

it does?  where?

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Re: power saving - A good idea

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 05:44:15PM +0200, Vitux wrote:

> How do you run this stuff at boot? (yes, newbie here...)
> I get the same kind of errors :((

i wrote an initscript (/etc/init.d/hdparm):

#! /bin/sh

PATH=/sbin:/bin
NAME=hdparm

set -e

case "$1" in
  start)
echo -n "Configuring /dev/hda "
/sbin/hdparm -k 1 /dev/hda > /dev/null
/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda > /dev/null
echo "Done."
;;
  stop)
;;
  reload)
;;
  restart|force-reload)
echo -n "Configuring /dev/hda "
/sbin/hdparm -k 1 /dev/hda > /dev/null
/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda > /dev/null
echo "Done."
;;
  *)
N=/etc/init.d/$NAME
echo "Usage: $N {start|stop|restart|force-reload}" >&2
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0

based on /etc/init.d/skeleton

then i run:

update-rc.d -f hdparm start 31 S .

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potato install w/ aic7880

[sjk]

I am having a terrible time trying to get potato to install on a
machine with an aic7880 scsi controller. The current rescue.bin hangs
at loading sym53c416 - just after the aic78xxx mods. I have tried
compiling a new kernel with the options listed in the install doc -
and the install begins, but 1) it can't write the tmp keyboard config, 
and 2) the driver script fails. I can't seem to mount any of the
driver disks to update the modules.tgz file - what file system do
these disks use?? I have tried re-writing them several times.

Any help would be much appreciated - Thanks

Re: TZ / time zones

[w trillich]

Eric Hanchrow wrote:
> 
> > "will" == w trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> will> is that a new standard for specifying timezones, or is it
> will> just for newbies?
> 
> I think it is.  In any case, the important thing is to have
> /etc/timezone correct.  Mine contains the string `PST8PDT', which is
> appropriate for me (I'm in Seattle).

my fault for asking an either-or question... :)

just to clarify, my TZ string used to be 'CST6CDT' but
now, after running tzselect or tzconfig (both allow me
to change the zone--one may call the other, but i've
used both to move to pago-pago and sierra leone and sri
lanka, and they have different interfaces [tzconfig
doesn't confirm, for example]) i've got TZ set to
'America/Chicago'.

so, i presume the 'CST6CDT' was an old standard [posx?] and
'America/Chicago' is the new standard [?name?], and not just
some fluff for newbies.

correct me if i'm wrong, nonetheless. :)

RE: boards for Video Capture in Linux

[Steve Miles]

Dobriy Den', Andrew,

I just bought a Matrox G400-TV that does a good job of capturing video on
the Windows platform. And the Matrox site (www.matrox.com) states that they
are working on Linux utilities to support their video cards. Don't know what
the timeframe is for release tho.

Styopa

-Original Message-
From: Andrew P. Cherepenko [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2000 12:49 AM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Q: boards for Video Capture in Linux


 I would like to get image 2-3 times per second at least,
(the more the better) and with tv quality at least.
 I have video camera with Composite Video Out

 What are boards to cope with this task and be supported in Linux ?

By the way. Does is the same Video capture board and Frame Grabber ?

 I suppose, there are two ways to do this work.
1 Capture board with
Brooktree Bt848/848A/849/878/879 video chip
But it seems these boards are out of date now.

2 Video adapter with video input ?
for example, i heard that
 ATI All-In-Wonder 128 SECAM 16MB TV In-Out
has a one of BT video chips.
But this way arouses my suspicion about confilcts
with XFree86.
 Or maybe this question could be addressed to XFree86 ?

I'd really appreciate any advice.

 Andrew


Andrew P. Cherepenko  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
BINP, Novosibirsk, Russia


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Configure muttzilla

[Pedro Guerreiro]

[Please CC me in all replies, as I don't manage to read -user]

Hi.

I've setup muttzilla to call mutt from inside netscape, but it seems to have a
problem, as I can't setup the From: field. I've setup the email address in
netscape and in ~/.mutt/muttrc but this isn't passed to the new instance of
mutt. Did anyone manage to set this up?

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Re: Please help - network incredibly slow...

[John Pearson]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 03:48:54PM +0200, Christian Pernegger wrote
> Hi!
> 
> I've been chewing on this for three days - now it goes before the experts...
> :)
> 
> My LAN looks like so:
> 
[snip]

It would be handy if you provided the output of /sbin/ifconfig and 
cat /proc/interrupts for one of the machines.  My first guess would
be a shared IRQ.


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Realtime sched and floppy (Was: Re: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob))

[Karl M. Hegbloom]

> "Richard" == Richard Lyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> -Original Message-
>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom
>> Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM
>> To: Robert Waldner
>> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper
>> Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad
>> install prob)
>> 
>> Have other people exerienced this?  (I've never used Windows >= 3.1,
>> so I don't know.)
>> 

Richard> It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second edition. I 
wouldn't
Richard> recommend trying it while you have other application running.

 Linux has similar trouble under certain conditions.  I wrote a little
 program that will set the scheduling policy and priority of a PID,
 and used it to set the `esd' (enlightened sound daemon) to Round
 Robin Scheduling with a high priority, so that the music doesn't skip
 when I switch virtual desktop screens in `sawmill'.  With that
 setting, burning a floppy image with `dd' produces `boot-floppies'
 root.bin diskettes that fail the CRC check.  Resetting the `esd'
 scheduling policy to the standard setting, I find that diskette
 images I burn work fine, given the identical image file and diskette.

 So if you're using POSIX real-time scheduling, don't use the floppy
 disk.  The floppy won't get all of the timeslices it needs, and will
 be unreliable.

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A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library.

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Re: Stuck...

[w trillich]

Alain Reinhardt wrote:
> I always also suggest to try 'mc' (assuming MidNight Commander is installed)
> because it is always a good feeling for a new user to go as far as a file
> manager of some sort -in this case a very good one.  Nothing means more when
> you begin than knowing you have something like a copy, edit, delete control
> over the beast. ! And If you go that far, please use the 'see' command of MC 
> to
> look at files in /etc.  You will immediatly feel you have just successfully
> made a first step in the new world of freedom. Good luck  !


if it were clear on how to exit mc, i'd be more in favor
of recommending it to the new folk...

(i tried it from a telnet session where the Fkeys don't
exactly work as they should... from another telnet window
i found that mc was calling my login shell for commands,
so i figured maybe it was a shell, to, and luckily "exit"
worked to get me out.)

so i'll not just recommend mc yet, if that's okay...

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Re: debian logo

[John Carline]

russell simmons wrote:

> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> I'm sure it's been answered before, but could someone tell me where
> the debian
> logo comes from?...
> many thanks
> russell

Near as I can tell, it came about this way

One day "Captain blue eye" was happily traveling the highways of cyberspace. 
Suddenly
there was a loud commotion and sounds of a confrontation. Electronic signals 
from
around the world came flying towards him.

When all the smoke cleared all that was left was smoke from a genie's bottle.

Sometimes I still miss him ;-(

John

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Re: Gnus 5.8.6 not sending attachments?

[Richard Klinda]

Hoi Jeronimo!

  J> since a couple of weeks ago Gnus seems not to be including MIME
  J> attachemnts sometimes. I'm unsing emacs 20.6.2 and Gnus 5.8.6.

[...]

  J> So, did anyone else have such a problem? Any ideas of what's
  J> going on? I'll try downgrading Gnus next, then I'll come back to
  J> tell you if that fixes the problem...

It's a well-known bug, that *only* affects Gnus 5.8.6.  You should
downgrade if you can't live without sending attachments or wait till
the maintainer packages a newer Gnus version.

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Re: Why is the Debian home page so boring?

[w trillich]

Armin Wegner wrote:
> 
> It's not boring, it's functional. And that's what matters.

boring might not have been the right word: maybe "tepid"?
how about "obscure" as in 'is there a link on there that'll
show me how to upgrade from an older debian to a more
current one'?

i still think his point is valid, tho: to help debian grow, 
we should facilitate newer users and prospective users,
by implementing some of his suggestions.

[debian is arleady growing, but not because it's easy--if 
we can make it easier to get up & running in the debian
world, imagine how our ranks would swell!]

the homepage would be more functional if it had obvious
pointers at the top-left corner including
- newbie help tips (man, apropos, apt-get...)
- help us debug the next release (all about frozen & how to install)
- upgrading (apt-get/sources.config suggestions & tips)
- glossary (which explains "distribution", "slink", "potato"...)
don't assume that simply because you know the term
that everybody else should! bad dog! bad!
- platforms supported
- subscribe to the debian-user mailing list
- support debian (merchandise, investors, donations)
etc.

language needs to be primarily general-usage english
until you get to specific instructions and commands;
only then do you use the specific terminology of
the commands.

i.e.
DON'T have a link to 'apt-get' as nobody who's new
to debian would have a clue as to why he should go there.

DO have a link to 'upgrading debian' that talks about
dpkg and apt-get.

gotta cater to the audience, so that the audience will grow.

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[w trillich]

seems like an uphill battle, eh?

Ron Rademaker wrote:
> 
> Try: pt-get install pine
> 
> It'll give youenough information to get a bit further
> 
> Ron Rademaker
> 
> PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just
> have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users
> screen, the amount of question that has to do with it are (mostly,
> exceptly for some) just TOO EASY!!!

would you know to read the manpage for 'gribnif' because that
was just the precise command you needed to clavis your frob
into the frammistat? not unless something pointed you there!

if you're looking for a way to mark up text and generate html
from there, you'd start with your function:
apropos markup
and voila, you'd know to try
man wml*
to learn more.

for apt, there's no way for a newbie TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT.
here's the newbie perspective, if you've forgotten:



hum de da dum...

i'd like to upgrade my debian system to a more up-to-date
version. i've learned about the "man" command, but i can't
find the exact command to use for my task.

"apropos"? okay, i'll try that...

> apropos upgrade
pg_upgrade (1)   - allows upgrade from a previous release without
reloading data
upgrade-windowmaker-defaults (8) - No manpage for this program,
utility or function.
wmu (1)  - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
wmu (1)  - Website META Language Upgrade Utility

hmm. that pg_upgrade seems like it's for some database only.
try again.

> apropos debian | sort
Debian::Debconf::Client::ConfModule (3pm) - client module for ConfModules
DebianNet (3pm)  - create, remove, enable or disable entry in 
/etc/inetd.conf
DebianNet (3pm)  - create, remove, enable or disable entry in 
/etc/inetd.conf
confmodule (3)   - communicate with Debian configuration system FrontEnd.
deb (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
deb-control (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
deb-control (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
deb-old (5)  - old style Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
dh_builddeb (1)  - build debian packages
dh_du (1)- generate DEBIAN/du file (deprecated)
dh_installdeb (1)- install files into the DEBIAN directory
dh_installmenu (1)   - install debian menu files into package build directories
dh_md5sums (1)   - generate DEBIAN/md5sums file
dh_movefiles (1) - move files out of debian/tmp into subpackages
dh_testdir (1)   - test directory before building debian package

dang! how many manpages do i have to wade through to find
if what i want is in here?

okay, i'll be a good newbie and keep looking, but i can't spend my
whole life looking at manpages for commands i don't want or
understand...

dhelp (1)- Debian online help
dhelp_parse (8)  - Debian online help parser
diald-deb (7)- diald information for Debian/GNU Linux
dpkg (8) - a medium-level package manager for Debian GNU/Linux
dpkg-buildpackage (1) - Debian source package tools
dpkg-deb (1) - Debian package archive (.deb) manipulation tool
dpkg-distaddfile (1) - Debian source package tools
dpkg-genchanges (1)  - Debian source package tools
dpkg-gencontrol (1)  - Debian source package tools
dpkg-name (1)- rename Debian packages to full package names
dpkg-parsechangelog (1) - Debian source package tools
dpkg-shlibdeps (1)   - Debian source package tools
dpkg-source (1)  - Debian source package tools
dpkg-split (8)   - Debian package archive split/join tool
dselect (8)  - console Debian package handling frontend
install-docs (8) - manage online Debian documentation
isdnconfig (8)   - configure the Debian isdnutils package
menufile (5) - entry in the Debian menu system
sambaconfig (8)  - configure Samba for Debian systems
update-menus (1) - generate Debian menu system

package manager? i want to upgrade, but maybe what i'm
upgrading is a package (if you think any average newbie
will think like this, keep dreaming).

aha (says the newbie) i use 'dpkg-*' to install and update
things on debian...



CONCLUSION:

there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, 
from what i can tell, that would direct any newbie to try to
use "apt-*" for anything. the only pointers a newbie will get
is someone on this list saying 'use apt-get'!

(when i first installed slink from cd, i selected the
server/extended task, and went back to add a bunch of xwindows
stuff later. there's no manpage for apt-anything.)


RECOMMENDATION:
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one itty-bitty line pointing to a debian newbie help page
on the web.
or
rotate a newbie tip-of-the-day kind of thing, instead, at
the 

Re: Missing header file conio.h

[David Teague]

On Sat, 20 May 2000, Oliver Hingst wrote:

> Hello,
> I am trying to compile a C++ program, which will be at some point a
> Reverse Polish Notation program.  I am trying to use a function called
> getche() . Therefore, from what I have read, I need to 
> 
> #include 
> 
> The problem is on my Potato system, this file is missing even though, I
> have installed all the C/C++ Development headers.  Where is this file
> and why does it seem included in Micro$ofts Visual Studio ?
 
Oliver

As others have pointed out this is DOS/Windows specific, not
included anywhere but MS compiling environments. I have seen it with
Borland's compilers several years ago. 
 
BUT somewhere in my motley history I have seen a Linux replacement
for the conio library.  The downside is that the library was not
complete.  If I needed this I would certainly search the web before
I rewriting the code to use curses or other native Linux libraries. 

Hope this helps; your mileage may vary; may cause drowsiness - do
not operate machinery soon after consuming. 

--David
David Teague, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 (I hope this is all of the above.)

Re: debian logo

[Brian Clark]

Engelen said:

>> >I'm sure it's been answered before, but could someone tell me where
>> >the debian
>> >logo comes from?...
>
>> There are quite a few in various resolutions on the debian site. Check
>> www.debian.org and find it.
>
>This _will_ be hard. There is a page 'www.debian.org/logos' but it's
>very poorly maintained (BTW could I voulenteer to maintain just that
>page? I mean, I have not much time, but such a fairly static page wouldn't
>be a problem... If we all just took one page that'd keep the site up to
>date...
>
>Anyway the creator of the logo has put up a site with some opensource
>art, including the debian logo: http://devel.onshore.com/gnu_art if my
>memory serves my right.


Besides the above replies, I think he also may have been asking what the 
Debian logo symbolizes -- among other things -- (as in "Where did the idea 
for the logo come from?" maybe.


I could be wrong, but doesn't it come from a Genie (smoke swirling out of a 
Genie bottle)? Or am I way off base about that? :-)


Happy Trails,

Brian

Re: [q] koffice-cvs doesn't run -- any idea?

[Dirk Eddelbuettel]

  "Ivan" == Ivan E Moore, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
  Ivan>  it's because of some changes in kdelibs/kdebase and I hadn't gotten
  Ivan> around to rebuilding koffice so that it would work again. :)
  Ivan> 
  Ivan> This evening there will be a clean set of .deb's for all packages
  Ivan> based on current (as of a few hours ago) upstream source.

Thanks, that sounds great! Guess I can stop scratching my head now, and send
some virtual beers over to you.

Dirk

  Ivan> 
  Ivan> Ivan
  Ivan> 
  Ivan> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 04:24:04PM -0400, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
  Ivan> Content-Description: forwarded message
  >> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:10:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Dirk Eddelbuettel
  >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: koffice-cvs unresolved libs To: Debian Users
  >> 
  >> 
  >> 
  >> (Please CC me on replies as I am not debian-user.)
  >> 
  >> Just had a first look at the koffice work-in-progress using Ivan's fine
  >> kde archive, but there is something wrong with the dependencies:
  >> 
  >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> kword kword: error in loading shared libraries:
  >> /usr/lib/libkofficecore.so.1: undefined symbol:
  >> setDocument__13KXMLGUIClientRC12QDomDocumentb
  >> 
  >> even though 'ldd $(which kword)' shows all libraries. This is on an
  >> up-to-date frozen machine.  What am I missing?
  >> 
  >> Thanks for any insight, Dirk
  >> 
  >> -- According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally
  >> worthless.
  Ivan>  Content-Description: .signature
  >>  -- According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally
  >> worthless.
  Ivan>  ---end quoted text---
  Ivan> 
  Ivan> --  Ivan E. Moore II [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Ivan> http://snowcrash.tdyc.com GPG KeyID=90BCE0DD GPG Fingerprint=F2FC
  Ivan> 69FD 0DA0 4FB8 225E 27B6 7645 8141 90BC E0DD
  Ivan> 
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According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

Re: [q] koffice-cvs doesn't run -- any idea?

[Ivan E. Moore, II]

it's because of some changes in kdelibs/kdebase and I hadn't gotten around
to rebuilding koffice so that it would work again. :)

This evening there will be a clean set of .deb's for all packages based on
current (as of a few hours ago) upstream source.

Ivan

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 04:24:04PM -0400, Dirk Eddelbuettel wrote:
Content-Description: forwarded message
> Date: Sat, 20 May 2000 11:10:21 -0400 (EDT)
> From: Dirk Eddelbuettel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: koffice-cvs unresolved libs
> To: Debian Users 
> 
> 
> (Please CC me on replies as I am not debian-user.)
> 
> Just had a first look at the koffice work-in-progress using Ivan's fine kde
> archive, but there is something wrong with the dependencies:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> kword
> kword: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkofficecore.so.1: 
> undefined symbol: setDocument__13KXMLGUIClientRC12QDomDocumentb
> 
> even though 'ldd $(which kword)' shows all libraries. This is on an
> up-to-date frozen machine.  What am I missing?
> 
> Thanks for any insight,  Dirk
> 
> -- 
> According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

Content-Description: .signature
> 
> -- 
> According to the latest figures, 43% of all statistics are totally worthless.

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Re: The /source of the problem...or is that the /src?

[Ross Boylan]

I have seen previous statements that the entire area under /usr is
under the control of the debian package management system *EXCEPT*
/usr/local.  This means, for example, that the package system can
delete anything under /usr except that which is under /usr/local.  I
can't immediately verify this in the sources below.  However, they
make good reading for someone wishing to be canonical.


The /source sounds like a typo.

See the document
   Linux Filesystem Structure -- Release 1.2
under /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fsst for debian.

See also "File Hieararchy Standard", a general *nix thing, for example
under /usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs

On Thu, May 18, 2000 at 01:26:40AM +, montefin wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> After 6 weeks and a Slink->Potato upgrade, I've got to say I like Debian
> a whole lot and am definitely going to move it on up to the big box as
> soon as Potato goes stable and CD's are available...
> 
> But*, one tiny, core question remains. Which is it: /usr/src,
> /usr/local/source, /usr/local/src?
> 
> I don't know, maybe it's the 16 years of Catholic School. I came to
> Debian from Red Hat because I'd heard it was more 'canonical', more
> 'structured', closer to the 'soul' of Linux and open source. I wanted an
> underlying OS that would provide an almost liturgical standard that I
> could build upon, develop within, even 'commit sins' with, and still
> find it as steady as a rock and willing to forgive.
> 
> Some docs and HOWTO's say to build Linux in /usr/local/source; some
> mail, even from this list, mentions /usr/local/src; make-kpkg, I
> believe, builds into /usr/src. Sweet 'apt-get --configure source' will
> build where ever I happen to be at the moment.
> 
> I asked a well-debbed, not-to-be-named guru why this was and he told me
> so that Debian could avoid interference between what it configures and
> what some unknown third-party developer or I configure.
> 
> Well, here on the little test box, I chose to put the heads of all
> source-trees into /usr/local/source and symlink both /usr/src and
> /usr/local/src to /usr/local/source.
> 
> As I prepare to Debianize the big box, it would really help to know
> either 'The Correct Way' or 'The Reason(s) Why' for this most basic,
> initial, yet essential, decision. I want to start with as 'canonical' a
> box as possible so that I can truly be 'free' thereupon.
> 
> So. Which is it: /usr/src, /usr/local/source, /usr/local/src or all of
> the above and let the pieces fall where they may?
> 
> Thanks for whatever guidance you may send my way, and for your patience
> with
> 
> montefin
> 
> 
> *You never really know what somebody's saying until after they use the
> word 'but'.
> 
> 
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Fw: installing gphoto

[Nick]

- Original Message -
From: Nick
To: debian
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:06 PM
Subject: installing gphoto


i am installing the free version of gphoto similair to photoshop but have
encountered the following problem.
i need to upgrade my libc6 libs but am prompted to replace ldso, i need the
version 1.9.11-2.1 but can only find
1.9.11-2 on lycos and anything else.

anyone know of a good source for ldso and libc6 stuff?

thankx in advance.

Fw: installing gphoto

[Nick]

 
- Original Message - 
From: Nick 
To: debian 
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 2:06 PM
Subject: installing gphoto

i am installing the free version of gphoto similair 
to photoshop but have encountered the following problem.
i need to upgrade my libc6 libs but am prompted to 
replace ldso, i need the version 1.9.11-2.1 but can only find
1.9.11-2 on lycos and anything else.
 
anyone know of a good source for ldso and libc6 
stuff?
 
thankx in advance.

Re: How do I allow empty passwords?

[Riku Saikkonen]

Eric Hanchrow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I later tried to change it to be empty, like this:
>
># passwd
>Enter new UNIX password:(here I just hit the Enter key)
>Retype new UNIX password:   (again, I just hit Enter)
>No password supplied

"passwd -d guest" seems to remove the password for the user "guest" on
my potato system, so "passwd -d" might work for you. The -d option
doesn't seem to be documented, though... I think I'll report that as a
bug.

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Re: Outside subsystem installed, packages unaware, dselect trying to help...

[Dave Thayer]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:26:10AM -0500, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
> equiv is helpful!
  ^ <--- this should be equivs
> 
> Is it best that Debian packages are parallel to all of these various 
> outside universes? Or is there a way that a Debian package can just grab 
> the lastest from SUn, and then note that you now have it?

I guess it depends upon how close you want to stay to the bleeding edge.
For me, tracking the unstable distribution for packages which I am in
keeps me close enough. Most of the Debian developers do a pretty good 
job of keeping up with the upstream releases, and if there's a lag it 
is frequently because there are difficulties in getting the package to
work with the overall Debian distribution. In that case I am perfectly
happy letting the developers get all of the kinks worked out.  

I suppose if you are the type who gets source straight out of CVS 
to compile it you could put something in your makefile to keep equivs 
happy.

dt

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Re: how to change the order of directories PATH is searched?

[Pollywog]

On Sat, 20 May 2000, john smith wrote:
> I do not understand why all of a sudden some commands for root are not
> found (like adduser,ldconfig etc) looking at my path I found out that
> /usr/sbin,/sbin are not there anymore!!! strange? anyway, when I added them
> again to my path everythings back to normal now. I wonder what could have
> caused them to dissappear from my path?. now my question is I would like
> /usr/sbin and /sbin to be the first directories searched in my path instead
> them being the last directories searched (I used the command export
> PATH=$PATH:/blah blah to add them but they are the last directories
> searched. I'd like to move them to be the first directories searched.

PATH=/bah:/blah/bin:$PATH

and make sure to have also:

export PATH

--
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how to change the order of directories PATH is searched?

[john smith]

I do not understand why all of a sudden some commands for root are not found 
(like adduser,ldconfig etc) looking at my path I found out that 
/usr/sbin,/sbin are not there anymore!!! strange? anyway, when I added them 
again to my path everythings back to normal now. I wonder what could have 
caused them to dissappear from my path?. now my question is I would like 
/usr/sbin and /sbin to be the first directories searched in my path instead 
them being the last directories searched (I used the command export 
PATH=$PATH:/blah blah to add them but they are the last directories 
searched. I'd like to move them to be the first directories searched.


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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Wichert Akkerman]

Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much faster
> to install something.  Of course, it's also faster to throw my clothes
> on the floor, rather than put them in the hamper...

That is a result of the fact that rpm uses a binary database for its
data, while dpkg uses a large number of text-files instead. The
advantage of that is that it is robust (if a single file gets corrupted
it's not much of a problem), and that it is possible to fix or modify
things by hand using a normal text editor if needed.

Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but
uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database.

Wichert.

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RE: Re: apt-get, upgrade, /var/cache/apt/archives

[Matthias Wieser]

My guess is you have to remount the partition and then it should work fine for 
u, at least you can fix ur problem.

 mount  /dev/... /  -o remount,rw (like that I think should make ur root 
partition writeable again)
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win95 postscript printing via samba problem...

[Ron Farrer]

I've had this problem for a long time and I'm tired of it. ;-) 

I've found this bug report:
 which describes my
problem. Basically printing from win95 to my Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 system
via samba, using AdobePS 4 software "AdobePSDefaultPostScriptPrint"
driver, prints: 

%%[ ProductName: Aladdin Ghostscript ]%%

At the top of every page and after the printjob is finished there is a
another page printed with a summary: 

%%[ Page: 1 ]%%
%%[ LastPage ]%%

Does anyone have a good fix for this? I don't want to dump all error
messages to /dev/null as the suggestion in the bug report. 


TIA,

Ron
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Gnus 5.8.6 not sending attachments?

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Hello,

  since a couple of weeks ago Gnus seems not to be including MIME
  attachemnts sometimes. I'm unsing emacs 20.6.2 and Gnus 5.8.6.

  The attachments are simply not included in the message... 

  It seems to happen with application/octet-strem.

  I tried to attach a text file (a LaTeX style), and send it to me
  (using local smtp), and I got the message without the
  attachment. Tried reconfiguring exim, didn't help. Tried also using
  a different smtp server - also, didn't help.

  I've checked teh smtp session trace, and the message really is empty
  there, so I suppose this is a MIME problem; the messages buffer is
  shown below. 

  I've been using Gnus for a few years, and the .gnus file I use has
  been working for a long time without problems. (oh, well, I switched
  from Solaris to Debian this year, but the transition ws just
  perfect). So I took a look at the file, but found nothing suspicious
  there... 
  Since this version of Gnus handles MIME natively, I removed all
  references to "mime" in my .gnus file (there were almost none), and
  it seemed to work... Until I noticed this problem.

  So, did anyone else have such a problem? Any ideas of what's going
  on? I'll try downgrading Gnus next, then I'll come back to tell you
  if that fixes the problem...

J.


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Re: Telnet security

[Peter Palfrader]

Hi Miguel!

On Sat, 20 May 2000, Miguel Wooding SF Ten.Union wrote:

> When I run apt-get install ssh (after first having run apt-get install 
> update), I get an error message saying that there is no available
> version, but the package exists in the database.  What's up with that?

> my /etc/sources.list refers to:
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib 
> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen  non-free

You want a non-US line like 

deb http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian-non-US potato/non-US main contrib non-free

in you sources.list too.

yours,
peter
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Re: Telnet security

[Ray Olszewski]

You need an entry in /etc/apt/sources.list for a "non-US" distribution site.
Remember: those nasty US crypto-as-munitions export rules haven't actually
ended yet!

At 09:44 AM 5/20/00 -0700, Miguel Wooding wrote [in part]:
>When I run apt-get install ssh (after first having run apt-get install 
>update), I get an error message saying that there is no available
>version, but the package exists in the database.  What's up with that?
...
>my /etc/sources.list refers to:
>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib 
>deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen  non-free
[rest deleted]


"Never tell me the odds!"---
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Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Telnet security

[Miguel Wooding SF Ten.Union]

When I run apt-get install ssh (after first having run apt-get install 
update), I get an error message saying that there is no available
version, but the package exists in the database.  What's up with that?

# apt-get install ssh
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Package ssh has no available version, but exists in the database.
This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and 
never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents 
of sources.list
E: Package ssh has no installation candidate

my /etc/sources.list refers to:
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen main contrib 
deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian frozen  non-free

Thanks.

--Miguel

Ray Olszewski <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> At 02:31 PM 5/20/00 +0200, Sven Burgener wrote [in part]:
> >>How do you set-up ssh to work?
> >
> >Assuming you have debian, run:
> >
> >for the client
> ># apt-get update; apt-get install ssh
> >
> >and the daemon
> ># apt-get update; apt-get install sshd
> 
> Did you check this? According to "apt-cache search ssh" (running on potato),
> there is no "sshd" package. My memory says that "ssh" installs both the
> server (daemon) and the client of OpenSSH.

Re: Pine in Debian [Was:Debian vs Red Hat???]

[John Hasler]

Vitux writes:
> Just a pitiful newbie wondering: I thought all *nix'es were supposed to
> use basically the same filesystem-structure.

The various Linux distributions are far more standardized in this then the
various Unices ever were.

> How come then, that Debian has proprietary placement of files?

It doesn't.

> ...isn't that part of the idea with *nix; to have a standard for the fs,
> which all flavors adhere to?

Linux has a file system hierarchy standard (See
/usr/share/doc/debian-policy/fhs).  Debian adheres closely to it.  Some
other distributions don't.
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Dancing Horse Hill
Elmwood, WI

sslftp for Slink?

[Abdul Aziz]

Hi. Can anyone please tell me where (if?) I can find sslftp or something
similar for a box running Slink? 
Thanks in advance.

[no subject]

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

hi with regard to 
this
 
 
Hi,could anyone help me on this one?I'm 
trying to install Corel Linux on my PC(pentium II 350, 64 ram, 2 IDE HD 
Drives one of them 6.5G completely free to install linux)I can launch 
the CD ok, I create the disk, reboot (with disk and cdrom inserted)LILO 
launches, CDrom starts spinning with msg "installing Corel Linux" after 1/2 
seconds "error 0x10" appear beneath previous message, cdrom spins again, 
same msg again and again and againPlease mail me back the 
answerThanks very muchBen
guess what , i have the 
same problem too,
have u found a 
solution?
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Re: Pine in Debian [Was:Debian vs Red Hat???]

[Ray Olszewski]

At 05:44 PM 5/20/00 +0200, Vitux wrote [in part]:

>Just a pitiful newbie wondering: I thought all *nix'es were
>supposed to use basically the same filesystem-structure. How
>come then, that Debian has proprietary placement of files?
>(maybe I've missed a point here, but isn't that part of the
>idea with *nix; to have a standard for the fs, which all
>flavors adhere to?!) I tend to feel uneasy using my buddy's
>SuSe-system; things don't work the way they do in Debian, and
>stuff is placed differently...
>Is Debian developing into a segregated OS, straying from the
>righteous path of *nix?!

Not at all. There is some "spread" developing across all the major Linux
distributions these days with respect to file placement. Start with *any* of
(say) Caldera, Debian, Red Hat, Slackware, and SuSE, and move to *any* of
the others, and you'll need to do some adjusting, sometimes considerable
adjusting. Less than if you move from any of them to (say) Solaris or HP-UX,
though.

It's hard to say whether "all *nix'es were supposed to use basically the
same filesystem-structure" or not. Depends on your definition of
"basically", I suppose. In any case, Debian isn't unusually bad in this
respect. Standardization in Unix/Linux has always been more of an ideal than
a realized practice.

These days, when I advise clients on Linux server setup and staffing, I
recommend that they make sure they hire sysadmin support that knows the
specific Linux distribution they plan to use (or to hire a sysadmin, then
let him or her pick the distribution) -- just knowing "Linux" isn't good
enough any more, in my opinion ... as your experience trying to move between
Debian and SuSE illustrates.

"Never tell me the odds!"---
Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Easy to do Full backup /restore to dead system?

[Gregory Guthrie]

We have a small server, with no bulk backup device, but has network and 
CDrom reader.


What is the easiest way to be able to recover everything in case of a crash?

E.g. make big tar, ftp to remote site, and then restore?

But I presume that one cannot overlay a running system. Thus boot to floppy 
and do the same; but does rescue disk have full networking and ftp?


or.??

Is there an easy way to make a bootable (restorable), or other useful CD 
restore image at a remote site (where we can burn CDs).


Thanks.

Gregory

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Re: Successful upgrade to potato, with work...

[Ben Collins]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:32:21PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:
> > "Ben" == Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Ben> Most likely this close to release, I'll just add your (paraphrased) 
> notes
> Ben> to the Release Notes for sparc. This should ease other users upgrades
> Ben> (sorry again that you had to be the one to do the trial and error :)
> 
>  I guess most folks who can afford to own a Sparc are probably savvy
>  enough to deal with these problems...  What I wonder though is
>  whether the same problems will occur on the i386 platform, where
>  there's likely to be more people who don't have as much (formal)
>  training and experience.

This problem is only specific to sparc. On sparc, the libc6 upgrade
requires a 2.2.x kernel.

Ben

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Re: Pine in Debian [Was:Debian vs Red Hat???]

[Vitux]

Will Lowe wrote:
> 
> > Can I ask why debian doesn't include pine?  Just curious.  I know Debian
> 
> The license for pine doesn't allow you to redistribute "modified binaries"
> (e.g., fix a bug in the source, compile it, and redistribute the
> executable you get from this).  Therefore, it can't be included as part of
> Debian -- it doesn't meet the Debian Free Software Guidelines at
> http://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines.  Besides which, we have
> to make patches to pine to get it to put its files in the right place,
> etc. on a Debian system, and once we make those patches, we're not allowed
> to redistribute the compiled program anyway!
> 
> Other distros that include Pine must obviously therefore compile without
> making patches, or have arranged other (special) redistribution terms with
> the University of Washington, or are simply violating the copyright.
> 
> We do include the pine source, and a patch that users can use to build
> their own Debian-ish binaries.  As a matter of fact, apt will download and
> build the package for you:
> 
> apt-get --compile source pine4-src
> 
> ... when this is done, you should have some .deb files you can install via
> "dpkg -i".
> 
> Will
> 
Just a pitiful newbie wondering: I thought all *nix'es were
supposed to use basically the same filesystem-structure. How
come then, that Debian has proprietary placement of files?
(maybe I've missed a point here, but isn't that part of the
idea with *nix; to have a standard for the fs, which all
flavors adhere to?!) I tend to feel uneasy using my buddy's
SuSe-system; things don't work the way they do in Debian, and
stuff is placed differently...
Is Debian developing into a segregated OS, straying from the
righteous path of *nix?!
Please, let's not have another religious war...
Best Regards and thx for all the great support, which really
helps making Debian such a great dist, and life less miserable
for a newbie ;-)
Vitux

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Richard Nixon

Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone

Re: power saving - A good idea

[Vitux]

Ethan Benson wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:37:21AM -0500, w trillich wrote:
> >
> > i have something similar which i haven't been able to disable
> > (not via bios, not via hdparm--at least i've not stumbled into
> > the right parameter yet)--
> >
> >   kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
> >   kernel: ide1: reset: success
> >
> > after a time if i access my secondary drive, i get messages like
> > this (usually more). after about 15 seconds, the drive is up and
> > ready, all seems well. but those 15 seconds can kill a website...
> >
> > suggestions on how to disable this spindown?
> 
> i have this problem on my IBM Deskstar 7200RPM drives (one in a Apple
> G3 the other in an intel box) the closest i have come is:
> 
> /sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda which seems to make it happen less (maybe,
> its supposed to make it happen not at all) but I have noticed that
> while the drive still sleeps once in awhile i no longer get the DMA
> errors under 2.2.15 like i did with 2.2.14.
> 
> wtih 2.2.14 i could intentionally put it to sleep and it get that
> error when it wakes, no more on 2.2.15.
> 
> i also run /sbin/hdparm -k 1 /dev/hda at boot as well so that i don't
> lose DMA after one of those errors, which makes the disk performance
> slow as snot.
> 
> read man hdparm for more info.
> 
> --
How do you run this stuff at boot? (yes, newbie here...)
I get the same kind of errors :((
Vitux

-- 
"I'm not a crook"
Richard Nixon

Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone

Re: Why is the Debian home page so boring?

[Vitux]

 
> PS:
> On the wish list for the distribution I would like to add an smp
> kernel. Other distributions have. Today this has to be made manually,
> even if excellent tools are available for this.
> 
> Best regards,
> Svante Signell
> 
You would definitely want to build yourself a new kernel ASAP
after installing the system. The base-install-kernel is loaded
down with lots of unnecessary stuff, because it is meant to be
as universal as possible (kind of like the winblows kernels).
Universal in this context also means single-processor, 386
-compiled, for max compatibility.
If you're running Slink, compiling a kernel also means
changing to a more recent kernel than the ailing 2.0.36 ;-)
Building a kernel is really quite easy, and gives you a really
good feeling (besides faster system and faster booting).
Regards
Vitux

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Richard Nixon

Debian GNU/Linux
Micro$loth-free Zone

Re: Outside subsystem installed, packages unaware, dselect trying to help...

[Gregory Guthrie]

At 11:33 PM 05/19/2000 -0600, Dave Thayer wrote:

>
> Any way to convince apt to just get the add-on tool?
>
> Greg
> --
...
YOW! I bet you rolled your own apache rather than installing one from a
deb package and this is apt's way of telling you that it wants something
that provides an httpd: by trying to install all of 'em. If this is the
case, have a look at the equivs package. It allows you to install a fake
package which can meet other packages' dependencies.

BTW, I installed dhelp from potato, and it also provides an info browser
function. It still needs an httpd, though.

Dave,
Yes, correct. Thanks a lot, will try it.

I did this for several packages, (JDK, KSDK, Jserv, ..), so knowing about 
equiv is helpful!


Is it best that Debian packages are parallel to all of these various 
outside universes? Or is there a way that a Debian package can just grab 
the lastest from SUn, and then note that you now have it?


Greg

koffice-cvs unresolved libs

[Dirk Eddelbuettel]

(Please CC me on replies as I am not debian-user.)

Just had a first look at the koffice work-in-progress using Ivan's fine kde
archive, but there is something wrong with the dependencies:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~> kword
kword: error in loading shared libraries: /usr/lib/libkofficecore.so.1: 
undefined symbol: setDocument__13KXMLGUIClientRC12QDomDocumentb

even though 'ldd $(which kword)' shows all libraries. This is on an
up-to-date frozen machine.  What am I missing?

Thanks for any insight,  Dirk

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Re: libfltk-dev: which "config.h"

[Frank Barknecht]

Johann Spies hat gesagt: // Johann Spies wrote:

> I am trying to compile the programs in /usr/share/doc/libfltk1/examples/.
> 
> After copying the files to /tmp and gunzipping the .gz files I get the 
> following error when I run "make":
> 
> c++ -I.. -g  -fPIC -Wall -Wno-return-type   -I/usr/X11R6/include CubeMain.cxx 
> -cCubeMain.cxx:26: config.h: No such file or directory
> In file included from CubeViewUI.h:12,
>  from CubeMain.cxx:28:
> CubeView.h:28: config.h: No such file or directory
> make: *** [CubeMain.o] Error 1
> 
> There are no config.h in the fltk-packages and there are many
> 
> [...] 
> I thought just typing "make" was supposed to work :(

I tested this here and I found, that you do not need any config.h at
all. So you can remove or uncomment every line with "# include config.h"
in it, e.g with this perl oneliner:

$ perl -pi.bak -e 's+#include +// #include +' *.h *.cxx

There is another error in the Makefile. It looks for libfltk in the
directory "../lib" and it does not find it. Just replace every "../lib" in
the Makefile with "/usr/lib". 

After this repairs, just typing "make" did indeed work. 

bye
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Re: Screen Saver

[Justin Megawarne]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 09:58:00PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> If my monitor goes black,(i.e. screen saver I think) how do I turn that off.
> The monitor doesnt shut off just goes blank. Sounds like the screen saver
> but I have no idea where to check..

What you'll want to do is `setterm -blank 0` ... this works in the console,
I'm not too sure how this applies to X.
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Re: permssions

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 10:22:56AM -0400, Jacob I. Stowell wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I am new at this, so this may be a simple question.  I recently
> installed potato on my home computer, and have sound working.  However I
> am only able to listen to cds when I am logged in as root.  When I try
> to listen as user, I get a message that says I cannot access the cdrom
> because permission is denied.  I am not sure how to set the permissions
> so that I have access to the cdrom as user. I was hoping that someone
> could help me out with this.  
> Thank you,
> -jake

add your normal user account to the cdrom group like this:

adduser jake cdrom

then logout and relogin.  you will now have permission to the cdrom
devices. 

you may have to add yourself to the audio group as well, be more
cautious about adding others to this group however, as members of the
audio group may use the microphone attached to your computer to
eavesdrop on you!  (even from remote logins through ssh or telnet)

cdrom group is pretty safe unless you ever put private CDs in your cd
drive.  

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Re: permssions

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> I am new at this, so this may be a simple question.  I recently
> installed potato on my home computer, and have sound working.  However I
> am only able to listen to cds when I am logged in as root.  When I try
> to listen as user, I get a message that says I cannot access the cdrom
> because permission is denied.  I am not sure how to set the permissions
> so that I have access to the cdrom as user. I was hoping that someone
> could help me out with this.

chgrp cdrom /dev/

then open /etc/group and add yourself to this cdrom group.

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permssions

[Jacob I. Stowell]

Hello,

I am new at this, so this may be a simple question.  I recently
installed potato on my home computer, and have sound working.  However I
am only able to listen to cds when I am logged in as root.  When I try
to listen as user, I get a message that says I cannot access the cdrom
because permission is denied.  I am not sure how to set the permissions
so that I have access to the cdrom as user. I was hoping that someone
could help me out with this.  
Thank you,
-jake

Re: Telnet security

[Sven Burgener]

>>for the client
>># apt-get update; apt-get install ssh
>>
>>and the daemon
>># apt-get update; apt-get install sshd
>
>Did you check this? According to "apt-cache search ssh" (running on
potato),
>there is no "sshd" package. My memory says that "ssh" installs both the
>server (daemon) and the client of OpenSSH.

This was off the top of my head. Sorry if it's wrong.

Sven

Re: Telnet security

[Ray Olszewski]

At 02:31 PM 5/20/00 +0200, Sven Burgener wrote [in part]:
>>How do you set-up ssh to work?
>
>Assuming you have debian, run:
>
>for the client
># apt-get update; apt-get install ssh
>
>and the daemon
># apt-get update; apt-get install sshd

Did you check this? According to "apt-cache search ssh" (running on potato),
there is no "sshd" package. My memory says that "ssh" installs both the
server (daemon) and the client of OpenSSH.

"Never tell me the odds!"---
Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Telnet security

[Ray Olszewski]

At 06:14 PM 5/20/00 +0700, Umum Wijoyo wrote:
>The previous discussion on Telnet security interested me.
>I would thus like to ask:
>How do you tell that ssh is running during your Telnet/Rlogin connection?

You don't. ssh is a different service from telnet, more or less a drop-in
replacement for rsh, but with encryption to provide security. You invoke it
(in a Debian context) from the command line as "ssh someplace.com", possibly
with some additional options.

>How do you set-up ssh to work?

Again in a Debian context, you do it by installing the ssh package. With no
effort on your part, it will install in what others have referred to as
"password" mode. Read the accompanying docs for the details on setting up
other modes.

>I'm afraid I've been thinking that ssh was already working on my Linux
>box, but actually it wasn't...??? :-p

If you've been thinking that it somehow modifies the "telnet" command
itself, you haven't yet tested for its presence. Start with a simple check,
like "which ssh", and go from there.

"Never tell me the odds!"---
Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Please help - network incredibly slow...

[Christian Pernegger]

Hi!

I've been chewing on this for three days - now it goes before the experts...
:)

My LAN looks like so:

Machine 1
Dual P2/400/256
somewhere between potato and woody | Win NT 4sp6a
eth0:   D-Link DFE-530TX (10/100)
- via-rhine.o from http://www.scyld.com/network/ethercard.html
- to switch
- static ip 192.168.0.1
eth1: 3Com 3C905B   (10/100)
- 3c90x.o from 3Com web site
- to cable modem
- DHCP


Machine 2
Celeron/533/128
Win 98SE
eth0: D-Link 530TX (10/100)
- to switch
- static ip 192.168.0.2


Machine 3
P/100/24
potato
eth0: 3Com 3C900 Combo (10)
- 3c59x.o from 2.2.15
- to switch
- static ip 192.168.0.101

The switch is a D-Link DES-1008 (8 port autosensing)


Now: I can ping each machine from itself and all others, so it's basically
working.

Only when I start file transfers it becomes apparent that the transfer rates
are way too low.

Machine1(linux)  -->Machine2: max 3MB/sec, typ 500KB/sec
Machine1(linux) <-->Machine3: max 200KB/sec, often only 3KB/sec
Machine3 -->Machine2: once got 600KB
...

Whenever Machine 1 was involved it would output

"Something wicked happened"

with either 0009 or 000a appended to the kernel log
and every console.

There is a paragraph about this message at the site where I got the driver,
but it only lists different error codes.

While NT was a bitch to get working at all, it now gives me (2)-->(1)
6500KB/sec
over "windows networking" (aargh!) which seems to be the maximum (2) is able
to
handle.

Should I blame the via-rhine driver?

Have any of you got any ad-hoc ideas?

What info should I provide?

Are there any good diagnostic programs (besides mii-diag)?


...


Help!

(At least I hope you can help me - I'd have to let go of that
"dump nt, go samba" idea of mine, otherwise.)

Best regards

Christian Pernegger

Re: init - autostarts

[Jo Hoffmann]

> Dominic> all that "starting syslogd", "starting inetd" etc
> Dominic> when you're booting, it's controlled by init, right?
> Dominic> how do i tell it not to start the things I'd rather
> Dominic> not be running?
> 
> if you're wondering about things like scsi-initialization
> and isdn setup, then i say "me too". they seem to happen BEFORE
> the /etc/init.d/* scripts get called from /etc/rc*.d/S* . . .
> 
> how about it? where can we turn off scsi probing or isdn scans?

Everything that you see on the screen before init starts are kernel messages.
In order to get rid of SCSI/ISDN (or any other hardware you don't use) probing
you need to recompile the kernel. You find more info in the kernel-howto,
either on your system under /usr/doc/HOWTO/ or at www.linuxdoc.org, there
you'll find the HOWTOs and Guides with very valuable information of how the 
system is started up. Watch out for Installation-, System Admin.-, Users- 
Guide ...

Jo
  

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Engelen]

> >Because Univ of Washington doesn't allow modified tarballs to be
> >distributed, and you have to modify the tarball's paths to be Debian
> >compliant.

> It's not too hard to find pine*.deb.  Use Fast FTP Search.

Pine _is_ semi-officially available as a (contrib/non-free) part of debian.
The package contains pine in source-form (thus respecting the licence),
but when installed it automatically compiles and moves stuff to the right
directories. Or am I wrong?

Arnout
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Re: debian logo

[Engelen]

> >I'm sure it's been answered before, but could someone tell me where
> >the debian
> >logo comes from?...
 
> There are quite a few in various resolutions on the debian site. Check
> www.debian.org and find it.

This _will_ be hard. There is a page 'www.debian.org/logos' but it's
very poorly maintained (BTW could I voulenteer to maintain just that
page? I mean, I have not much time, but such a fairly static page wouldn't
be a problem... If we all just took one page that'd keep the site up to
date...

Anyway the creator of the logo has put up a site with some opensource
art, including the debian logo: http://devel.onshore.com/gnu_art if my 
memory serves my right.

Arnout
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: apt-get, upgrade, /var/cache/apt/archives

[Antonio Rodriguez]

No, I don't. I re-installed frtom the slink cd again, so all was lost. I have 
another problem now:
After choosing the scientific workstation in slink 2.1, I did, pointing 
sources.list to frozen,
1. apt-get update
2. apt-get dist-upgrade
Here all went smooth, but then, after I did
3. apt-get install lyx apt-move dpkg-dev alien
the system went postal, the screen was passing really fast, showing something 
like "Error ... hole in 3?4?.."
The system did not respond to +, nor would allow me switching to 
any other console-terminal. So I pushed the reboot button, but then it would 
not come back normally, it had a
problem with the file system, allowed me to enter only as read. I don't know 
how to fix it. Basically I have now a potato system that is unusable for me. 
Please help.
Thanks,
Antonio.

"Karl M. Hegbloom" wrote:

>  I also wonder if you still have a list of the selections held by
>  `dpkg' in that machine?
>
>  `dpkg --get-selections'
>
>  `dpkg --set-selections < dpkg-selections'
>
>  `apt-get dselect-upgrade'
>
> > "Antonio" == Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> Antonio> I haven't found any package called dpkg-scanpackages. I searched 
> the deb
> Antonio> site, can't find it. can you be more explicit?
> Antonio> Thanks
>
> % dpkg --search dpkg-scanpackages
> diversion by dpkg-multicd from: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
> diversion by dpkg-multicd to: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages.dpkg
> dpkg-dev, dpkg-multicd: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
> dpkg-dev: /usr/share/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.8.gz
> diversion by dpkg-multicd from: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages
> diversion by dpkg-multicd to: /usr/bin/dpkg-scanpackages.dpkg
> diversion by dpkg-multicd from: /usr/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.8.gz
> diversion by dpkg-multicd to: /usr/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.dpkg.8.gz
> dpkg-multicd: /usr/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.8.gz
> diversion by dpkg-multicd from: /usr/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.8.gz
> diversion by dpkg-multicd to: /usr/man/man8/dpkg-scanpackages.dpkg.8.gz
>
>  Here's the script I run to update the Packages files in my partial
>  mirror.  The mirror is in /home/ftp/pub/mirrors/debian, and this
>  script is run with it's PWD in /home/ftp/pub/mirrors.  The
>  debian-non-US mirror is a sibling of the debian mirror.
>
>
> #!/bin/sh
> pushd debian
> dpkg-scanpackages -m 'Debian GNU/Linux binary-i386' 
> dists/potato/main/binary-i386 indices/override.potato.gz > 
> dists/potato/main/binary-i386/Packages
> dpkg-scanpackages -m 'Debian GNU/Linux binary-i386' 
> dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386 indices/override.potato.contrib.gz > 
> dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386/Packages
> popd
>
> pushd debian-non-US
> dpkg-scanpackages -m 'Debian GNU/Linux binary-i386' 
> dists/potato/non-US/main/binary-i386 indices-non-US/override.potato.gz > 
> dists/potato/non-US/main/binary-i386/Packages
> dpkg-scanpackages -m 'Debian GNU/Linux binary-i386' 
> dists/potato/non-US/contrib/binary-i386 
> indices-non-US/override.potato.contrib.gz > 
> dists/potato/non-US/contrib/binary-i386/Packages
> popd
>
> find . -name 'Packages' -exec gzip -f -9 \{\} \;
>
> --
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> A few months in the laboratory often saves several hours at the library.
>
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Re: [Debian]:deb21r5 (slink) distributions-CD - Hilfe ....

[Stefan Lommel]

Hallo Michelle,

> was ist mit dpkg-scanpackages ???
Hm, habe mit debian keinerlei Erfahrungen ...
Was sind dpkg-scanpackages ?

> Habe erst die CD von Heiko auf die Platte kopiert, das ein update gemacht
> und dann eben dpkg-scanpackages verwendet. Meine r5 funzt einwandfrei.
Ist Heiko ein FTP-Server ?

cu sl

Re: Clone of hard drive

[Mark Brown]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 06:26:43PM -0700, Karl M. Hegbloom wrote:

>  Don't use `dd' - it won't work well if the two drives are not the
>  same size.  Partition and format the new drive using the standard
>  tools, then use a `cpio' archive or `cpio' in copythrough mode to
>  clone the filesystem.  (RTFM `cpio'.)

The reason I was suggesting dd is that if you do things by copying the
filesystem you'll need to keep boot media handy as well since the
image disk won't have LILO installed.  For other boot mechanisms that
may not be a problem.

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Re: ISDN question

[Ron Rademaker]

Sorry for the shouting, at the time I wrote it I was pretty drunk.
When I was using ISDN I used the following script for both ip-up as
ip-down, perhaps it can help you...

#!/bin/sh

/sbin/route del default >/dev/null 2>&1
/sbin/route add default netmask 0 

Ron Rademaker


On Sat, 20 May 2000, Michael Meskes wrote:

> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:25:07AM +0200, Ron Rademaker wrote:
> > A little more information would be nice... Wath ent (is going) wrong???
> 
> Sorry, if I wasn't precise. On my modem connection I do not have to worry
> about DNS setup. My /etc/resolv.conf is empty and /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0dns-up
> creates one once my connection is up and running by putting the DNS servers
> given by the provider in there.
> 
> But with ISDN it simply does not work. I wonder if I have to do something
> special to get this going or if (maybe) the provider does not send the info.
> 
> > Checking your email adres I guess yoiur quite familair with linux / debian
> 
> Yes, I am. But frankly I NEVER used ISDN.
> 
> > : SHAME ON YOU YOU DIDN'T GIVE ANY MORE INFO!
> 
> No need to shout! You didn't give any specifics about what info you'd need
> either.
> 
> Thanks anyway.
> 
> Michael
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> Michael@Fam-Meskes.De
> Go SF 49ers! Go Rhein Fire!
> Use Debian GNU/Linux! Use PostgreSQL!
> 

RE: DSL and DEBIAN

[Kerstin Hoef-Emden]

Hi,

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Alec Smith wrote:

> Be careful though, not all providers use an external "modem". I know that
> here in Ohio, Ameritech uses an internal PCI adapter. As far as I know,
> Linux doesn't support these internal adapters.

And here in Germany, you have to fiddle around to make PPPoE work. I've
read that some people managed to do it.


Regards,

Kerstin

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Re: log file full of "-- MARK --"

[Kerstin Hoef-Emden]

Hi,

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Gregory Guthrie wrote:

> /var/messages has a "-- MARK --" every 20 minutes; why?

If a problem arises, you can see what time it showed up. E. g. I once
was running an analysis on my Atari TT with Debian 2.0. The analysis
presumably would have taken 9 days, but never got to an end, because the
power supply of the external harddrive on which Debian was installed,
broke down. When I came back to university to have a look at the
results, the system hung. After transplanting the SyQuest drive to a new
external box, I could see at what time the "MARK" stopped. For the
analysis, it wasn't important, but in other situations it might
be useful to know the time the breakdown took place.


Regards,

Kerstin

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Re: Debian-CD Image and Kernel versions puzzle

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Could you indicate theURL wher you got the iso image from?

Ron Stordahl wrote:

> I am experimenting with installs of frozen potato and this is a puzzle (to
> me):
>
> Using a CD ISO image I downloaded of potato about a month ago I do a CD Boot
> to install the base system, then I select http for the access method.  Doing
> so I end up with Kernel version 2.2.14.
>
> Using a new ISO image I downloaded just today when proceeding in the same
> fashion I end up with Kernel version 2.2.15.
>
> Here is what puzzles me.  I have the impression that I am using the CD just
> to load a basic system, to give me the capability to proceed further with an
> http install, as such I would have thought that either way I would end up
> with the latest frozen potato, yet I end up with different versions.  Is
> there a good reason for this?
>
> A second question would be is there an ISO source which I could download
> which would only contain the basic system that if I could use just to get
> going, then switch to http (or ftp) install.  The full disc is 600+ MB, but
> a CD of the basic system needed to get going and complete with http or ftp
> install would be much much smaller...would be nice to have.
>
> Ron
>
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Re: ISDN question

[Michael Meskes]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:25:07AM +0200, Ron Rademaker wrote:
> A little more information would be nice... Wath ent (is going) wrong???

Sorry, if I wasn't precise. On my modem connection I do not have to worry
about DNS setup. My /etc/resolv.conf is empty and /etc/ppp/ip-up.d/0dns-up
creates one once my connection is up and running by putting the DNS servers
given by the provider in there.

But with ISDN it simply does not work. I wonder if I have to do something
special to get this going or if (maybe) the provider does not send the info.

> Checking your email adres I guess yoiur quite familair with linux / debian

Yes, I am. But frankly I NEVER used ISDN.

> : SHAME ON YOU YOU DIDN'T GIVE ANY MORE INFO!

No need to shout! You didn't give any specifics about what info you'd need
either.

Thanks anyway.

Michael
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Re: Telnet security

[Sven Burgener]

Hi

>How do you tell that ssh is running during your Telnet/Rlogin
connection?

Not totally sure, but whilst you're in, running "ps" should show a
process named sshd.

>How do you set-up ssh to work?

Assuming you have debian, run:

for the client
# apt-get update; apt-get install ssh

and the daemon
# apt-get update; apt-get install sshd

>I'm afraid I've been thinking that ssh was already working on my Linux
>box, but actually it wasn't...??? :-p

Do a "ps aux|grep ssh" and ignore the "grep ssh"-line if it appears.
That should show whether there are any clients / daemons running.

HTH
Sven

Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Marek Habersack]

** On May 20, Sven Burgener scribbled:
> Hi Marek
> 
> >Full info comes right your way :)):
> 
> Cheers a lot! But how come I don't have that? :*!
> There's sort of an empty man page describing that other infos can be
> found locally under /usr/doc/nmap/...
> 
> *My* nmap doesn't recognise the "-O" flag. I am unsure about its
> version, but I'm running slink, so maybe that's why? What are you
> running? Or do I maybe need to install another package?
You probably got the 1.x version, get 2.x - it will be fine :))

marek


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Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Sven Burgener]

Hi Marek

>Full info comes right your way :)):

Cheers a lot! But how come I don't have that? :*!
There's sort of an empty man page describing that other infos can be
found locally under /usr/doc/nmap/...

*My* nmap doesn't recognise the "-O" flag. I am unsure about its
version, but I'm running slink, so maybe that's why? What are you
running? Or do I maybe need to install another package?

Sven

Re: Transfer data between two comps without network

[Russell Coker]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, Dariush Pietrzak wrote:
>> Assuming you are worried by people with promiscuous ethernet cards,
>> packet-sniffing.  Put in a second NIC, run a crossover UTP?  I assume the
>..  encrypting would solve that problem. or private network between two
>ccomps.
>And - if I could connect those two comps by some network daily data
>transfer would rapidly go down - 100, 1000times less.
>problem is - machine with source data contains security-sensitive
>information, which my employee wants to be physically separated from
>network.

Using CD-ROMs would take 60+ CDs.

Using DVD would take 6 or 12 disks (do they support writable 10G DVD's yet?).

If using external media then you must encrypt the data first, so the time
taken to transfer the data is compression time + write time + transport time
+ read time + decompression time.  The time taken should be considerably less
than 24 hours for obvious reasons.


I have included a message I wrote to some colleagues comparing different
options for transferring files over the network.  Tests were done on
moderately high-end Sun machines >300MHz UltraSPARC processors talking over a
switched full-duplex fast Ethernet.  The machines were also in use for other
tasks, so if there was no load then the results would be slightly higher, but
the overall trend would remain.
This may interest some of you who use ssh/scp a lot, and is also relevant to
this discussion.

One thing to note that Gigabit Ethernet is useless if you use ssh, as ssh
can't get near to saturating fast Ethernet.



There is an option in ssh to choose the cypher to use.  The default cypher is
3DES which has withstood numerous attack attempts, but is quite slow. 
Another option is blowfish which is quite strong (an AES candidate) but
hasn't withstood the decades of attack  that 3DES has.
Blowfish is a much faster cypher:
bash-2.02$ time scp 
aaa001:/netscape/server4/https-portal/logs/errors.02May-1131AM .
errors.02May-1131AM   | 235084 KB | 736.9 kB/s | ETA: 00:00:00 |  99%
real5m31.620s user3m20.520s sys 0m15.250s


bash-2.02$ time scp -c blowfish 
aaa001:/netscape/server4/https-portal/logs/errors.02May-1131AM .
errors.02May-1131AM   | 234004 KB | 2571.5 kB/s | ETA: 00:00:00 | 
99% real1m30.932s user1m1.160s sys 0m14.010s

I recommend using blowfish for the large scp operations (such as copying
gigabytes of log files) to reduce the time taken to copy the data, and also
to reduce the amount of CPU load used (on both the source and destination
machines).

Now here's a run using 3des and compression:
bash-2.02$ time scp -C 
aaa001:/netscape/server4/https-portal/logs/errors.02May-1131AM .
errors.02May-1131AM   | 235751 KB | 3683.6 kB/s | ETA: 00:00:00 |
100% real1m3.898s user0m14.320s
sys 0m7.170s

It makes things a bit faster than even blowfish because after compressing the
data (web logs compress well) it's less to encrypt (and encryption seems to be
significantly slower than compression).

Now here's the results of blowfish and compression.  As you can see for web
logs this is the best option, 6 times faster than the default.
bash-2.02$ time scp -c blowfish -C 
aaa001:/netscape/server4/https-portal/logs/errors.02May-1131AM .
errors.02May-1131AM   | 235751 KB | 4064.7 kB/s | ETA: 00:00:00 |
100% real0m57.237s user0m14.760s
sys 0m6.770s

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Re: Missing header file conio.h

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 12:09:18PM +0100, Oliver Hingst wrote:
> Hello,
> I am trying to compile a C++ program, which will be at some point a
> Reverse Polish Notation program.  I am trying to use a function called
> getche() . Therefore, from what I have read, I need to 
> 
> #include 

That's a DOS/Windows specific header.

> The problem is on my Potato system, this file is missing even though, I
> have installed all the C/C++ Development headers.  Where is this file
> and why does it seem included in Micro$ofts Visual Studio ?

The semi-equivalent system under Unix would be [n]curses.  There's
probably little chance of getting that program to run under Linux
without some serious rewriting on your part.  I'd suggest trying to find
an alternative program, perhaps one that doesn't rely on operating
system specific libraries.

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RE: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad install prob)

[Richard Lyon]

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Behalf Of Karl M. Hegbloom
> Sent: Saturday, 20 May 2000 4:00 PM
> To: Robert Waldner
> Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org; Michael Skipper
> Subject: rawrite broken from DOS-box under W98? (Was: Re: thinkpad
> install prob)
>
>  Have other people exerienced this?  (I've never used Windows >= 3.1,
>  so I don't know.)
> 

It works correctly from the dos box in WIN98 second edition. I wouldn't
recommend trying it while you have other application running.

Regards ...

re: ISDN and Sprint

[Rob Lilley]

Brian Schramm asked:
>I live in a Sprint controlled area.


And Ray Olszewski
>How does Sprint "control" an area for ISDN?

Good question!

I am not sure I really understand how ISDN is provided.  I live in an area
where Sprint is the "telephone company" like Bell Atlantic or Bell South are
in other areas, etc.  They do not offer ISDN in my direct area.  Towns they
do provide ISDN service are a long distantance call for me.  In any event,
can I get ISDN from another phone / communications company or am I limited
to the phone company that services my area?

Rob
Belvidere, NJ

Re: Why is the Debian home page so boring?

[Armin Wegner]

It's not boring, it's functional. And that's what matters.

Telnet security

[Umum Wijoyo]

The previous discussion on Telnet security interested me.
I would thus like to ask:
How do you tell that ssh is running during your Telnet/Rlogin connection?
How do you set-up ssh to work?
I'm afraid I've been thinking that ssh was already working on my Linux
box, but actually it wasn't...??? :-p

OK! Thanks!

Urip H.

Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Marek Habersack]

** On May 20, Sven Burgener scribbled:
> >There are at least three easy ways to check what operating system runs
> on
> >the remote machine (let's assume it's got the HTTP port open):
> >
> >1. nmap -O -p 80 host.name.com
> >   You don't want to scan them :), that's why the -p
> 
> What's the -O option? For some reason, I can't find any info for it; I
> am missing nmap's man page(!)
Full info comes right your way :)):

   -O This option activates  remote  host  identification
  via TCP/IP fingerprinting.  In other words, it uses
  a bunch of techniques to detect subtleties  in  the
  underlying  operating  system  network stack of the
  computers you are scanning.  It uses this  informa­
  tion  to  create  a 'fingerprint' which it compares
  with its database of  known  OS  fingerprints  (the
  nmap-os-fingerprints  file)  to decide what type of
  system you are scanning.

  If you find a machine that is misdiagnosed and  has

5

NMAP(1)   NMAP(1)

  at  least  one port open, it would be useful if you
  mail me the details (ie OS  blah  version  foo  was
  detected  as  OS  blah version bar).  If you find a
  machine with at least one port open for which  nmap
  says  'unknown  operating system', then it would be
  useful if you send me the IP address along with the
  OS  name and version number.  If you can't send the
  IP address, the next best thing is to run nmap with
  the  -d  option  and send me the three fingerprints
  that should result along with the OS name and  ver­
  sion  number.   By doing this you contribute to the
  pool of operating systems known to nmap and thus it
  will be more accurate for everyone.

straight from the nmap page :))

l8r,
marek :)


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Missing header file conio.h

[Oliver Hingst]

Hello,
I am trying to compile a C++ program, which will be at some point a
Reverse Polish Notation program.  I am trying to use a function called
getche() . Therefore, from what I have read, I need to 

#include 

The problem is on my Potato system, this file is missing even though, I
have installed all the C/C++ Development headers.  Where is this file
and why does it seem included in Micro$ofts Visual Studio ?

Oliver

Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Sven Burgener]

>There are at least three easy ways to check what operating system runs
on
>the remote machine (let's assume it's got the HTTP port open):
>
>1. nmap -O -p 80 host.name.com
>   You don't want to scan them :), that's why the -p

What's the -O option? For some reason, I can't find any info for it; I
am missing nmap's man page(!)

TIA
Sven

Re: Telnet Security

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 04:17:23AM -0400, Brian Clark wrote:
> John Bagdanoff said:
> If you use the authentication type "RSA" in conjunction with SSH instead of 
> authentication type "password", you'll need to exchange keys with the host 
> for it to be able to authenticate you.

If I understand correctly, it's more correctly described as a
cryptographic challenge rather than an exchange of keys.  That is, on
the server you have a public/private key pair, and the sshd uses your
public key to encrypt some random bytes.  Your client then uses your
private key (which must exist on the client machine) to decrypt the
random data (prompting you for the passphrase).  The client then sends
this data back (over the already encrypted channel) to verify that you
are who you say you are.  If the returned decrypted bytes don't match
what the server sent, then authentication fails.

> SecureCRT, I know, has this feature. There's a nice help file to guide you 
> step by step. But as some of us know, SecureCRT isn't a free SSH client 
> (but, IMVHO, it's worth every penny).
> 
> I just use type "password"; I used to use RSA until I got sick of going 
> through the process of exchanging keys. Who knows what's "better," but I 
> sure as heck know it's better than Telnet. :-)
> 

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Re: Exim .forward file - how do I pipe a message?

[Sven Burgener]

Hi {Philip,list}

>"Set up your mail system (.forward, .qmail, /etc/aliases or
> whatever) to pipe each incoming message to snmail, with the
> command line similar to:
> BINDIR/snmail -s mailing-list local.

What you should do then is (if you run sendmail, that is), put the
following in your ~/.forward: (with the quotes)
"|snmail -s mailing-list local."

Make sure that "snmail" is findable, eg. in the $PATH variable.

>On the Exim web site it mentions 'pipe' but I can't get it working.
>Basically I need to use my debian-user filter and pipe messages
matching
>the filter to snmail.

The "pipe" above is the character "|" as it has always been on UNIX.

HTH
Sven

Exim .forward file - how do I pipe a message?

[Phillip Deackes]

I have installed sn - a news system like Leafnode but better for me in
lots of ways.

Anyway, it has the ability to process mailing lists and display them in
a newsreader. In the sn docs it gives the following info:

"Set up your mail system (.forward, .qmail, /etc/aliases or
 whatever) to pipe each incoming message to snmail, with the
 command line similar to:

 BINDIR/snmail -s mailing-list local.

 (note trailing dot)."

On the Exim web site it mentions 'pipe' but I can't get it working.
Basically I need to use my debian-user filter and pipe messages matching
the filter to snmail. 

Any ideas?

Cheers.


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Using Storm Linux 2000

Re: Netscape and MS Intellimouse

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> Netscape used to have support for the Intellimouse in my Debian 2.1 box.
> Now I have a fresh Potato install (new hard drive), only a few days old,
> and the old ¨tricks¨ don´t work anymore. So far I have the line
> 
>ZAxisMapping4 5
> 
the whole section:

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"IMPS/2"
Device  "/dev/psaux"
#Device  "/dev/gpmdata"
Buttons 5
ZAxisMapping4 5
EndSection
 
> in my /etc/X11/XF86Config file. I also have some blurb in
> /etc/X11/Xresources/netscape that starts like this
> 
i attached my xdefaults. concentrate on the btn4down and btn5down.
of course, it should be possible to move these to the global
netscape Xresource.

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!# Scrolling on wheel mouse: half a page normally, line per line with shift
XTerm.vt100.translations: #override\n\
Shift,:scroll-back(1,line)\n\
Shift,:scroll-forw(1,line)\n\
Ctrl,:scroll-back(1,page)\n\
Ctrl,:scroll-forw(1,page)\n\
,:scroll-back(1,halfpage)\n\
,:scroll-forw(1,halfpage)\n\

!# In the scrollbar we map buttons 5 & 4 to 1 and 2 otherwise, core dump
!# This will move proportionnaly to cursor position but we dont know how to
!# program the same exact behavior as in the text widget.
XTerm.vt100.Scrollbar.translations: #override\n\
: StartScroll(Forward)\n\
: StartScroll(Backward)\n\

!## Athena text widgets
*Paned.Text.translations: #override\n\
Shift,: scroll-one-line-down()\n\
Shift,: scroll-one-line-up()\n\
Ctrl,: previous-page()\n\
Ctrl,: next-page()\n\
None,:scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()\n\
None,:scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()\n\

!## Athena table of contents, for toc widgets of xrn & xmh
*toc.Translations: #override\n\
Shift,: scroll-one-line-down()\n\
Shift,: scroll-one-line-up()\n\
Ctrl,: previous-page()\n\
Ctrl,: next-page()\n\
None,:scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()scroll-one-line-down()\n\
None,:scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()scroll-one-line-up()\n\

!## NETSCAPE
Netscape*drawingArea.translations:  #replace\
:   ArmLink()   \n\
:   ArmLink()   \n\
~Shift:   ActivateLink()  \n\
~Shift:   ActivateLink(new-window)  \
DisarmLink()\n\
Shift:ActivateLink(save-only)  \
DisarmLink()\n\
Shift:ActivateLink(save-only)  \
DisarmLink()\n\
: DisarmLinkIfMoved()  \n\
: DisarmLinkIfMoved()  \n\
: DisarmLinkIfMoved()  \n\
: DescribeLink()  \n\
:   xfeDoPopup()\n\
: ActivatePopup() \n\
Ctrl: PageUp()\n\
Ctrl: PageDown()\n\
Shift: LineUp()\n\
Shift: LineDown()\n\
None: LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\
None:
LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\
Alt: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\
Alt: xfeDoCommand(back)\n

Netscape*globalNonTextTranslations: #override\n\
Shift: LineUp()\n\
Shift: LineDown()\n\
None:LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()LineUp()\n\
None:LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()LineDown()\n\
Alt: xfeDoCommand(forward)\n\
Alt: xfeDoCommand(back)\n

! Restrict the range of size increments allowed by 
! directives to
! the range 80% - 120% rather than 50% - 210%.  Default increment is 20.
! KMSelf Wed Dec 29 15:47:57 PST 1999
Netscape*documentFonts.sizeIncrement:   05

! Clean up the fscking toolbar
Netscape*toolBar.search.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.destinations.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.myshopping.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.viewSecurity.isEnabled: false
Netscape*toolBar.print.isEnabled: true
Netscape*toolBar.home.isEnabled: true

! And some other brain damage
Netscape*useStdoutDialog: false
Netscape*useStderrDialog: false
Netscape*noAboutSplash: true

! Document fonts -- scaling doesn't appear to take effect w/ TTF fonts
!Netscape*documentFonts.defaultFont*iso-8859-1.prop: -ttf-garamond-120-noscale
!Netscape*documentFonts.defaultFont*iso-8859-1.fixed: -ttf-couriernew-90-noscale

Re: Package Log

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Jay Kelly wrote:

> When I turn on setterm -msg on, i see:
> Package log: input DENY eth0 PROTO=17 172.19.32.10:1026 172.255.255.255:111
> L=13 s=0x00 I=742 F=0x T=64 (#4)
> 
> So what am I looking at and why does it continue to do this?
> 
111 is the rpc port. as this ...255 ip is a broadcast, the ...10 machine
is probably checking the whole net for the availability of some service.
eg, nfs and rwho (not sure) are rpc-based services.


btw: on my system this is "Packet log", not "Package log". it's
probabaly the same on your system.


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Re: Stuck...

[Alain Reinhardt]

Le sam, 20 mai 2000, w trillich a écrit :

> > Hazelwood wrote:
> I have typed in numerous characters and numbers to no avail.

> > Trillich answered :
> if you say 'to no avail' to mean 'nothing happens'
> then maybe your keyboard isn't configured correctly...?
> try 'help' or 'man ls' or 'startx'...

I always also suggest to try 'mc' (assuming MidNight Commander is installed)
because it is always a good feeling for a new user to go as far as a file
manager of some sort -in this case a very good one.  Nothing means more when
you begin than knowing you have something like a copy, edit, delete control
over the beast. ! And If you go that far, please use the 'see' command of MC to
look at files in /etc.  You will immediatly feel you have just successfully
made a first step in the new world of freedom. Good luck  !

AR

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Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Marek Habersack]

** On May 20, Sven Burgener scribbled:
> Hi
> 
> I realised shortly after that I tried the wrong TLD. My fault. I
> immediately posted a cancel message to the list thereafter.
I don't have it in my inbox yet... Nevermind :))
 
> But whilst we're on that subject, how would such an "OS & Port 80 scan"
> be done not using this web-front-end?!
There are at least three easy ways to check what operating system runs on
the remote machine (let's assume it's got the HTTP port open):

1. nmap -O -p 80 host.name.com
   You don't want to scan them :), that's why the -p

2. telnet host.name.com 80
   HEAD / HTTP/1.0
   
   
   here comes the information from the server

3. queso -p 80 host.name.com
   Actually, nmap uses the same method to check the fingerprint of the
   remote system and is, IMO, much better in that respect.

Well, these are the three easiest methods :))

marek


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Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Sven Burgener]

Hi

I realised shortly after that I tried the wrong TLD. My fault. I
immediately posted a cancel message to the list thereafter.

But whilst we're on that subject, how would such an "OS & Port 80 scan"
be done not using this web-front-end?!

TIA
Sven

Re: freshmeat running on windoze?!

[Marek Habersack]

** On May 20, Sven Burgener scribbled:
> Hi debians
> 
> According to www.netcraft.com/whats , freshmeat.org is running on
> windoze? Is this really the case!? How come? Is this for real?
Yup, it is for real. http://www.freshmeat.org is running WinNT, but
http://www.freshmeat.NET is running Linux, as one might expect :)

marek
 

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Re: debian logo

[Sven Burgener]

>I'm sure it's been answered before, but could someone tell me where
>the debian
>logo comes from?...

There are quite a few in various resolutions on the debian site. Check
www.debian.org and find it.

Sven

Re: Clone of hard drive

[Robert Waldner]

On 19 May 2000 18:26:43 PDT, Karl M. Hegbloom writes:
> Don't use `dd' - it won't work well if the two drives are not the
> same size.

It works. The second disk has to be >= the first and be able to do
with the same translation (so don´t have your disks on AUTO in the
BIOS and specify the translation in LILO).

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Re: Clone of hard drive

[Robert Waldner]

On Fri, 19 May 2000 15:45:03 PDT, Jay Kelly writes:
>Hello All,
>Is it possible to clone my linux hard drive to an image or to another drive?
>This way in the event of hard drive failure I can swap drives and be right
>back up. If it is, how would I go about it?

The best way is to have identical disks, so you don´t have to worry about
lilo, partitions or anything else, just
  dd if=/dev/hda of=/dev/hdb

IMHO this is also the best way to backup NT, just insert tomsrtbt
, boot, dd, and don´t mind anything.
In case of OS weirdness just dd the other way ;-)

hth,
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Re: Telnet Security

[Brian Clark]

John Bagdanoff said:

>On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 12:03:04AM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
>> Someone told me about security key but I cant remeber the web page where to
>> download them. I guess you need to have a key installed on the remote pc
>> that matches the server key. Anybody know what Im talking about?
>>
>All I know, is that once you have ssh installed on your
>linux box & use puTTY on a windows box, they will "talk" to
>each other & negotiate a key.  No need to download any key
>from any web site.

If you use the authentication type "RSA" in conjunction with SSH instead of 
authentication type "password", you'll need to exchange keys with the host 
for it to be able to authenticate you.


SecureCRT, I know, has this feature. There's a nice help file to guide you 
step by step. But as some of us know, SecureCRT isn't a free SSH client 
(but, IMVHO, it's worth every penny).


I just use type "password"; I used to use RSA until I got sick of going 
through the process of exchanging keys. Who knows what's "better," but I 
sure as heck know it's better than Telnet. :-)


Brian

Re: Telnet Security

[John Bagdanoff]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 12:03:04AM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> Someone told me about security key but I cant remeber the web page where to
> download them. I guess you need to have a key installed on the remote pc
> that matches the server key. Anybody know what Im talking about?
> 
All I know, is that once you have ssh installed on your
linux box & use puTTY on a windows box, they will "talk" to
each other & negotiate a key.  No need to download any key
from any web site.

fred

> -Original Message-
> From: John Bagdanoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:57 PM
> To: Debian User List
> Subject: Re: Telnet Security
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:05:32PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> > Is there a way to keep my Telnet port open but still have security?
> >
> I just went through this.  I installed ssh on my linux box & removed telnet.
> If you're
> connecting from a windows box to your linux box, get puTTY
> for windows.

> 
> Using Linux
> 

Re: Telnet Security

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:05:32PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> Is there a way to keep my Telnet port open but still have security?
> 

sure, in /etc/ssh/sshd_config change:

Port 22 to
Port 23

;-)

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Re: Hosts.allow config

[John Bagdanoff]

2) When I try to edit my hosts.allow file with ae, it will
not allow me to
make any changes. Im logged in as root I make the changes
then use ctrl x,
ctrl s to save but it doesnt take the command. All I get it
a x and s on the
screen. Any thoughts??? 
  

Control key not working?  I haven't used ae for a while;
install ee for console mode editing.  I've found it more
intuitive to use.  

fred
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Re: power saving - A good idea

[Ethan Benson]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 01:37:21AM -0500, w trillich wrote:
> 
> i have something similar which i haven't been able to disable
> (not via bios, not via hdparm--at least i've not stumbled into
> the right parameter yet)--
> 
>   kernel: hdd: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
>   kernel: ide1: reset: success
> 
> after a time if i access my secondary drive, i get messages like
> this (usually more). after about 15 seconds, the drive is up and
> ready, all seems well. but those 15 seconds can kill a website...
> 
> suggestions on how to disable this spindown?

i have this problem on my IBM Deskstar 7200RPM drives (one in a Apple
G3 the other in an intel box) the closest i have come is:

/sbin/hdparm -S 0 /dev/hda which seems to make it happen less (maybe,
its supposed to make it happen not at all) but I have noticed that
while the drive still sleeps once in awhile i no longer get the DMA
errors under 2.2.15 like i did with 2.2.14.  

wtih 2.2.14 i could intentionally put it to sleep and it get that
error when it wakes, no more on 2.2.15.  

i also run /sbin/hdparm -k 1 /dev/hda at boot as well so that i don't
lose DMA after one of those errors, which makes the disk performance
slow as snot.

read man hdparm for more info.

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Re: man --> info?

[Marc Haber]

On Thu, 18 May 2000 09:29:11 -0500, you wrote:
>I want to try it, but apt-get wants to re-install an entire server and 
>tools for me, I have a stable apache+jserv, and don't want to install 
>another http server.
>
>Any way to convince apt to just get the add-on tool?

Have a look at the equivs package.

Greetings
Marc

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Re: Kernel revision info command?

[John Galt]

uname -a

On Fri, 19 May 2000, Ron Stordahl wrote:

> I am in bash.  What do I type to determine the current revision of the
> kernel?  Or if you can't do it there, how?
> 
> Ron
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

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debian logo

[russell simmons]

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I'm sure it's been answered before, but could someone tell me where
the debian
logo comes from?...
many thanks
russell

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RE: Telnet Security

[Jay Kelly]

Someone told me about security key but I cant remeber the web page where to
download them. I guess you need to have a key installed on the remote pc
that matches the server key. Anybody know what Im talking about?

-Original Message-
From: John Bagdanoff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 11:57 PM
To: Debian User List
Subject: Re: Telnet Security




On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:05:32PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> Is there a way to keep my Telnet port open but still have security?
>
I just went through this.  I installed ssh on my linux box & removed telnet.
If you're
connecting from a windows box to your linux box, get puTTY
for windows.

fred

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Re: Telnet Security

[John Bagdanoff]

On Fri, May 19, 2000 at 10:05:32PM -0700, Jay Kelly wrote:
> Is there a way to keep my Telnet port open but still have security?
> 
I just went through this.  I installed ssh on my linux box & removed telnet.  
If you're
connecting from a windows box to your linux box, get puTTY
for windows.

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