Re: Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[Ethan Benson]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:42:46PM -0600, montefin wrote:
> 
> 1.) Netgear's FA310TX 10/100 PCI RJ45 NIC NIC

i have one of these, its now sitting in the closet.  the thing has
been horridly flaky, when it stops working it takes several ifconfig
up/down to get it going again -- if i was lucky.  most of the time it
took shutting the machine down totally and doing a cold boot.  half
the time it would refuse to work on boot up.  all with the standard
tulip driver in 2.2.13/14.  i ended up yanking it out and replacing it
with a pre intel kingston which works perfectly.

> 2.) Linksys's ETHERFAST FAST ENET PCI 10/100 MBS 10/100BTX RJ45 PNP

i have two of these in a OpenBSD firewall they seem to be working
fine, only with OpenBSD 2.6 however, 2.5 mis detected them and as a
result would not work with them.

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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Re: My HD's never spin down...

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

the disk will only spin down if nothing is reading/writing to it, run
procinfo to check read/writes, and see if it is increasing when the drive
spins up, chances are there are programs that need the disk so the disk
spins back up.  i always keep my drives spun up 100% of the time, back in
'95 i lost 4 drives in 6 months due to advanced power management(all brand
new drives) ever since i rather keep em all up (and my comp's fans are 3x
louder then the drives anyways :) )

nate

On 21 May 2000, Martin H?gman wrote:

gorkij >Well, I guess that the subject says it all. My primary rootdisc,
gorkij >/dev/hda, goes on and on. Quite frankly, the noise is getting to me. Is
gorkij >there any way to silence it?
gorkij >
gorkij >Running on a Woody system, XFree 3.3.6, Kernel 2.2.14
gorkij >
gorkij >I also tried running hdparm -Y /dev/hda : result - the drive spun down,
gorkij >just to jump back up in two seconds...
gorkij >
gorkij >-- 
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gorkij >
gorkij >
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gorkij >Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
gorkij >

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isapnp.conf

[Cameron Matheson]

Hey,

I'm trying to get my ethernet NE2000 clone to work in linux.  The HOWTO
said to read up about isapnptools, so I started looking at the
README.debian, and it has someone's config file here.  Anyways, I can't
make any sense of it.  It says:

# EDI0119 Serial No 2368613654  [checksum 13]
# ANSI string -->PLUG & PLAY ETHERNET CARD<--
# Logical device id EDI0119
#Device support I/0 range check register
(CONFIGURE EDI0119/236861364 (LD 0

Where can I find out what the logical device id (and serial no) are?
Somewhere in /proc?

Thanks,
Cameron Matheson

My HD's never spin down...

[Högman]

Well, I guess that the subject says it all. My primary rootdisc,
/dev/hda, goes on and on. Quite frankly, the noise is getting to me. Is
there any way to silence it?

Running on a Woody system, XFree 3.3.6, Kernel 2.2.14

I also tried running hdparm -Y /dev/hda : result - the drive spun down,
just to jump back up in two seconds...

-- 
::[ martin högman ]::[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]::

My HD's never spin down...

[Högman]

Well, I guess that the subject says it all. My primary rootdisc,
/dev/hda, goes on and on. Quite frankly, the noise is getting to me.
Is
there any way to silence it?

Running on a Woody system, XFree 3.3.6, Kernel 2.2.14

I also tried running hdparm -Y /dev/hda : result - the drive spun
down,
just to jump back up in two seconds...

-- 
::[ martin högman ]::[ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ]::

Re: Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[montefin]

Didi Damian wrote:
> 
> * montefin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [21-05-2000 07:42 PM -0600]

> > I'm having an SDSL connection installed the first week of June. I will
> > need to have network cards in both my computers. I am told the installer
> > will take care of the rest while installing a Flowpoint 2200 DSL Router.
> > I have never had nor installed a network card in any computer. I have
> > received recommendations on two:
> >
> > 1.) Netgear's FA310TX 10/100 PCI RJ45 NIC NIC
> 
> This is one of the cards I have in this PC. Always worked like a charm
> with the tulip module. I mostly compiled it in the kernel. I've used
> this card for my cable modem side since the 2.0.36 kernel and never had
> any problem with it. Installation should be only a matter of choosing it
> from the adapter list during the initial network configuration. As a matter
> of fact, on this box, I installed potato from the network via this card.
> 

Thanks, Didi, that is the card I'm leaning toward, too..

> 
> Potato currently *is* 'frozen'.
> 

Didi, and Ray Olszewski in an earlier message, I stand corrected. I've
been doing 'apt-get dist-upgrade' for two weeks to the ../debian potato
main etc. instead of ../debian/frozen main etc. thinking I was getting
newer stuff. DOH!

But a big thanks to whoever got that pam package fixed so quick the
other day!

montefin

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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Ethan Benson]

On Mon, May 22, 2000 at 11:22:47AM +1000, Craig Sanders wrote:
> 
> agreed, the plain text db is the right way to do it.
> 
> OTOH, it would be nice if dpkg did what apt does and uses a binary db
> "cache" to speed up operations...updating both binary and text versions
> as changes are made.
> 
> the text version would be considered authoritative (or "source code")
> and the binary db would be the faster, "compiled" version. if the binary
> version ever got corrupted for any reason, it could be regenerated
> quickly from the text version.
> 
> dpkg would also need to detect whether the text version was newer than
> the binary version and, if so, automatically rebuild the binary.
> 
> nice idea, perhaps...but i don't know how practical it is or whether the
> time needed to maintain the binary db would more than offset the time
> saved.

i think dlocate really takes care of the problem nicely, for things
like status and file lists dlocate is quite fast.  its unfortunate
that it was removed from potato for a *ONE LINE BUG* with a fix in the
bts... why oh why could there not have been an NMU?? 

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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Re: Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[montefin]

Wow you guys are great -- and fast!


Ray Olszewski wrote [in part]:
> 
> At 07:42 PM 5/21/00 -0600, montefin wrote [in part]:
> ...
> >I'm having an SDSL connection installed the first week of June. I will
> >need to have network cards in both my computers. I am told the installer
> >will take care of the rest while installing a Flowpoint 2200 DSL Router.
> 
> Did whoever told you this realize that you were connecting a Linux-based
> fiewall to the router?
>

Ray, yes. But since it's the folks at my ISP, I'm not sure whether they
put their knowledge of my system plan together with the package they're
selling me. Do you foresee any problems in the Flowpoint Router or the
NIC cards vis a vis my linux firewall? I've got to say though that my
ISP is one of the most pro-Linux and Linux-literate that I've heard of.
 
> 
> I've used the Linksys (specifically the LNE100TX). The tulip driver with the
> latest kernel (2.2.15) supports them properly. Haven't used the Netgear.
> Also used and liked a D-Link and (except for price) a 3C905. But they are
> all pci-slot cards -- does the 486/66 you plan to use as a firewall have pci
> slots? (Only asking since you identify youreslf as a "non-hardware guy".)
>

Yes. It's what Intel calls their Classic/PCI Expandable Desktop
motherboard which has 3 PCI slots. And thanks for understanding about my
being a "non-hardware guy".

> 
> The 486 is plenty fast for SDSL. I run a Slink-based 486/40 firewall here
> with DSL ... on a 10 mbps LAN with Ne2000 cars on both interfaces. Never a
> problem. For you, the only issue is whether your 486 has pci slots; if not,
> you'll need to run it at 10 mbps with isa-bus cards. No big deal for the DSL
> side, but possbily a problem on the LAN side.
> 

Thanks, Ray, that was what I thought about the 486 being up to
firewalling. Afterall, it was a Goodwill special and since I took my
first babysteps in Debian on it I'm sort of fond of it just that way it
is.

Thanks again,

montefin

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Re[2]: exim mail routing...

[Gregory Guthrie]

I'm (still) having some exim setup problems..

I have three machines in this test; alpha (Debian host), a local smtp 
server (cserv), and my PC (windows).


Mail from alpha to pc works fine; all gets routed to the smarthost (=cserv).

This is "direct" named mail to myself, but an aliased email (to net which 
is aliased to me) gets stuck,

with the error:

/var/spool/exim/messaglog:
2000-05-21 22:27:54 [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: 
local_delivery transport deferred: Permission denied: creating lock file 
hitching post /var/spool/mail/admin.lock.alpha.cs.mum.edu.3928a93a.0ac9


???


Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
   Computer Science Department
   College of Science and Technology
   Maharishi University of Management
  (Maharishi International University 1971-1995)
http://www.mum.edu/cs_dept

Re: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[Ron Stordahl]

:
: 2.) Linksys's ETHERFAST FAST ENET PCI 10/100 MBS 10/100BTX RJ45 PNP
:
:

The Linksys works perfectly.  Uses the tulip driver.  And you can get these
cards for $15-$20

Ron

kppp and pppconfig don't play nicely together

[walt]

Earlier today I posted about a problem with kppp and potato.

I finally figured it out once I got logging to work.
The problem really had nothing to do with the upgrade itself.

The problem was that I used pppconfig for the first time ever,
and I used it to define an account with exactly the same name
as the account I always use in kppp.  They were both named
"att" because AT&T is my ISP.

pppconfig creates files in /etc/ppp/peers, /etc/chatscripts,
and /etc/ppp/resolv, all named after the account you are
creating.

Well, it turns out that when kppp dials out, as a side effect
pppd runs off looking in the /etc/ppp/peers directory for a 
filename that matches the account name--in my case it was 
/etc/ppp/peers/att.

I was not running kppp as root, so access to that file was denied,
causing pppd to die, and kppp had no idea what happened.  And
kppp doesn't even use that file--pon uses it.

To fix the problem I just created an account in kppp with a
slightly different name--now it all works again. 

 Another day wasted.

Re: Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[Didi Damian]

* montefin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [21-05-2000 07:42 PM -0600]
> Hi,
> 
> I just told a friend who bounced off Debian that the
> _one_outstanding_factor_ in my having made it so far in Debian was
> _this_list_. With that guilt trip firmly implanted ;) here's my
> question:
> 
> I'm having an SDSL connection installed the first week of June. I will
> need to have network cards in both my computers. I am told the installer
> will take care of the rest while installing a Flowpoint 2200 DSL Router.
> I have never had nor installed a network card in any computer. I have
> received recommendations on two:
> 
> 1.) Netgear's FA310TX 10/100 PCI RJ45 NIC NIC

This is one of the cards I have in this PC. Always worked like a charm
with the tulip module. I mostly compiled it in the kernel. I've used
this card for my cable modem side since the 2.0.36 kernel and never had
any problem with it. Installation should be only a matter of choosing it
from the adapter list during the initial network configuration. As a matter 
of fact, on this box, I installed potato from the network via this card.

> 
> 2.) Linksys's ETHERFAST FAST ENET PCI 10/100 MBS 10/100BTX RJ45 PNP
> 

Never used this one.

> Prime considerations are #1 support in Debian/Linux, #2 ease of
> installation and configuration for a non-hardware guy. I've seen both
> these cards discussed here and have read back through the archives, but
> would like some 'fresh' input before purchasing. I need to make a choice
> and buy & install 2 of the same card this week to be ready for the
> installer.
> 
> The 2 computers are:
> 
> a.) a 486DX 66MHz, 24Mb, HDD 814Mb, Kernel 2.2.15pre19-2 -- currently
> all IDE (no-scsi card, although scsi is enabled in the kernel) booting
> only Debian Potato (not Frozen) over a 56k internal modem dial-up to a
> local ISP.

Potato currently *is* 'frozen'.

-- 
Didi Damian :: [EMAIL PROTECTED] :: www.debiandiary.f2s.com

Debian GNU/Linux,
when code matters more than commercials   |  10:40pm  up 1 day,  7:20,  

Re: exim mail routing...

[Eric G . Miller]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 07:31:06PM -0500, Gregory Guthrie wrote:
> At 11:29 PM 05/21/2000 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> >nobody said, it that there must be so many places for
> >documentation - it simply has "grown" historically into this situation.
> >and even that is not that bad. man, info and /usr/doc are the main sources
> >- it could be *much* worse. possibly the initial /etc/motd should
> >say (well, not literally ;-):
> >"have a look at /usr/man, /usr/info and /usr/doc to get started. [...]"
> 
> -- Yes. But if/as we try to make linux more useable, such anachronisms 
> should be smoothed out. E.g. it would be nice to have dynamic www pages, 
> which give access to conversions of all available documentation on a 
> system, looking in all the relevant places to index it.
> 
> This would merge the various sources, and provide a single consistent 
> browsing /access tool, instead on (info, man, zcat).

dhelp and dwww both try to accomplish this.  Word is, Wichert is working
on a new solution since both of those don't work as well as they could.
The reader is the web browser, unfortunately to take full advantage you
need a web server.  Perhaps a light weight server run from init could be
used for work stations that normally have no use for a web server. I
agree we need a grand unified documentation system for unix in general.
Info does a pretty good job, but there's no option for images which is
sometimes absolutely necessary. Think the GNOME folks are working on an
XML based system, but then it becomes dependent on GNOME (not ideal). I
don't know what the perfect solution is, considering the variability of
systems.

-- 
¶ One·should·only·use·the·ASCII·character­set·when·compos­

» ing·email·messages.


Re: Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[Ray Olszewski]

At 07:42 PM 5/21/00 -0600, montefin wrote [in part]:
...
>I'm having an SDSL connection installed the first week of June. I will
>need to have network cards in both my computers. I am told the installer
>will take care of the rest while installing a Flowpoint 2200 DSL Router.

Did whoever told you this realize that you were connecting a Linux-based
fiewall to the router? 

>I have never had nor installed a network card in any computer. I have
>received recommendations on two:
>
>1.) Netgear's FA310TX 10/100 PCI RJ45 NIC NIC
>
>2.) Linksys's ETHERFAST FAST ENET PCI 10/100 MBS 10/100BTX RJ45 PNP
>
>Prime considerations are #1 support in Debian/Linux, #2 ease of
>installation and configuration for a non-hardware guy. I've seen both
>these cards discussed here and have read back through the archives, but
>would like some 'fresh' input before purchasing. I need to make a choice
>and buy & install 2 of the same card this week to be ready for the
>installer.

I've used the Linksys (specifically the LNE100TX). The tulip driver with the
latest kernel (2.2.15) supports them properly. Haven't used the Netgear.
Also used and liked a D-Link and (except for price) a 3C905. But they are
all pci-slot cards -- does the 486/66 you plan to use as a firewall have pci
slots? (Only asking since you identify youreslf as a "non-hardware guy".)

>The 2 computers are:
>
>a.) a 486DX 66MHz, 24Mb, HDD 814Mb, Kernel 2.2.15pre19-2 -- currently
>all IDE (no-scsi card, although scsi is enabled in the kernel) booting
>only Debian Potato (not Frozen) over a 56k internal modem dial-up to a
>local ISP.

Potato == Frozen right now. Or do you mean you haven't upgraded lately? If
so, you want to, at least bringing the kernel up to 2.2.15. You'll need to
compile your own kernel to enable some of the firewalling stuff anyway,
probably.
...
> I
>happen to have a spare PI 166MHz mainboard a friend gave me, so if
>there's any significant advantage to upgrading the 486DX firewall box
>with that please let me know. I was planning to build a 3rd leg for the
>milkstool with that board but will use it now if there's considerable
>advantage in a faster firewall?

The 486 is plenty fast for SDSL. I run a Slink-based 486/40 firewall here
with DSL ... on a 10 mbps LAN with Ne2000 cars on both interfaces. Never a
problem. For you, the only issue is whether your 486 has pci slots; if not,
you'll need to run it at 10 mbps with isa-bus cards. No big deal for the DSL
side, but possbily a problem on the LAN side.

"Never tell me the odds!"---
Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Help: Netgear or Linksys NIC's? Please?

[montefin]

Hi,

I just told a friend who bounced off Debian that the
_one_outstanding_factor_ in my having made it so far in Debian was
_this_list_. With that guilt trip firmly implanted ;) here's my
question:

I'm having an SDSL connection installed the first week of June. I will
need to have network cards in both my computers. I am told the installer
will take care of the rest while installing a Flowpoint 2200 DSL Router.
I have never had nor installed a network card in any computer. I have
received recommendations on two:

1.) Netgear's FA310TX 10/100 PCI RJ45 NIC NIC

2.) Linksys's ETHERFAST FAST ENET PCI 10/100 MBS 10/100BTX RJ45 PNP

Prime considerations are #1 support in Debian/Linux, #2 ease of
installation and configuration for a non-hardware guy. I've seen both
these cards discussed here and have read back through the archives, but
would like some 'fresh' input before purchasing. I need to make a choice
and buy & install 2 of the same card this week to be ready for the
installer.

The 2 computers are:

a.) a 486DX 66MHz, 24Mb, HDD 814Mb, Kernel 2.2.15pre19-2 -- currently
all IDE (no-scsi card, although scsi is enabled in the kernel) booting
only Debian Potato (not Frozen) over a 56k internal modem dial-up to a
local ISP.

b.) a PII 350MHz, 128Mb, HDD 3.5Gb, HDD 14Gb, Kernel 2.2.14 -- currently
all IDE (no-scsi card although scsi is enabled in the kernel and I have
an Adaptec AHA-2940 UW sitting here if it's needed) dual-booting Red Hat
6.1 and Windows 98 over a 56k internal modem dial-up to a local ISP.

The Plan is to network the 2 boxes, firewall the 486DX to the net via
SDSL, upgrade the Linux side of the PII from Red Hat 6.1 to Debian
Potato (as soon as stable Potato CD's are available). The PII will serve
several of my websites via 3 separately configured Apache servers. I
happen to have a spare PI 166MHz mainboard a friend gave me, so if
there's any significant advantage to upgrading the 486DX firewall box
with that please let me know. I was planning to build a 3rd leg for the
milkstool with that board but will use it now if there's considerable
advantage in a faster firewall?

I know, I shoulda named my site 'cheapskate.com', but that name was
already taken.

Opinions? Debian/Linux support issues? Experiences? Pitfalls? Gotchas?
All are welcome and needed.

Thank you for all the help in the past and for your patience with

montefin 

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BIND deb: no h2n

[Bob Bernstein]

By sheer dint of not having a life I've become interested in BIND. I note that
while Debian (and others, for instance OpenBSD) do not include the 'h2n'
utility in their distros of this package, some (to be named at a later date)
Linux distributions do see fit to include it.

Is this a license issue, a philosophy issue, or, as they say, whut?


--
Bob Bernstein  http://www.ruptured-duck.com

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Craig Sanders]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 11:38:18AM +0200, Josip Rodin wrote:
> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > > Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but
> > > uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database.
> > 
> > it does?  where?
> 
> See /var/cache/apt/*.bin files.
>
> An example why is that good is the speed of `apt-cache show foo'
> compared to non-speed of `dpkg -p foo'. (of course, there are faster
> things to browse the textual database, they just aren't in dpkg
> itself)

dlocate and grep-dctrl for example.

interestingly, 'apt-cache show' is even faster than dlocate (which makes
use of grep-dctrl to do the search).

$ time apt-cache show dpkg >/dev/null
real0m0.235s
user0m0.210s
sys 0m0.030s

$ time dlocate -s dpkg>/dev/null
real0m0.407s
user0m0.380s
sys 0m0.010s

$ time dpkg -s dpkg>/dev/null
real0m1.517s
user0m1.410s
sys 0m0.100s

craig

--
craig sanders

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Craig Sanders]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:39PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:07:00PM +0200, Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> > Previously Keith G. Murphy wrote:
> > > I must say, my subjective experience has been that rpm's are much
> > > faster to install something.  Of course, it's also faster to throw
> > > my clothes on the floor, rather than put them in the hamper...
> >
> > That is a result of the fact that rpm uses a binary database for
> > its data, while dpkg uses a large number of text-files instead. The
> > advantage of that is that it is robust (if a single file gets
> > corrupted it's not much of a problem), and that it is possible to
> > fix or modify things by hand using a normal text editor if needed.
>
> this is a tremendous advantage of dpkg, it should never be changed to
> use a binary database.

agreed, the plain text db is the right way to do it.

OTOH, it would be nice if dpkg did what apt does and uses a binary db
"cache" to speed up operations...updating both binary and text versions
as changes are made.

the text version would be considered authoritative (or "source code")
and the binary db would be the faster, "compiled" version. if the binary
version ever got corrupted for any reason, it could be regenerated
quickly from the text version.

dpkg would also need to detect whether the text version was newer than
the binary version and, if so, automatically rebuild the binary.

nice idea, perhaps...but i don't know how practical it is or whether the
time needed to maintain the binary db would more than offset the time
saved.

craig

--
craig sanders

Re[2]: exim mail routing...

[Gregory Guthrie]

I have a smarthost, but things don't work right. My previous debian build 
on this machine worked fine, so the network environment seems OK.


In /etc/exim.conf:

# Send all mail to a smarthost
smarthost:
  driver = domainlist
  transport = remote_smtp
  route_list = "* mail.mum.edu bydns_a"


But I still get the following logfile failures:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> T=remote_smtp defer (-34): retry time 
not reached for any host


2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tOmO-0006lW-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: un

known local-part "admin" in domain "alpha.cs.mum.edu"
2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tdBc-ai-00 ** [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: un

known local-part "admin" in domain "alpha.cs.mum.edu"
2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tdBc-ai-00 Frozen (delivery error message)
2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tdBc-al-00 <= <> R=12tOmO-0006lW-00 U=mail 
P=local S=1412
2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tOmO-0006lW-00 Error message sent to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

2000-05-21 16:23:00 12tOmO-0006lW-00 Completed
...
2000-05-21 16:38:00 Start queue run: pid=2297
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tdBc-al-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tJye-0006gz-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tdBe-az-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tdBd-aw-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tdBc-ai-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 12tdBc-ao-00 Message is frozen
2000-05-21 16:38:00 End queue run: pid=2297

I found that it accepts mail, then holds it for a few days (see errors 
below), and then send it through OK.


Thanks for any fixes!
Greg

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Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Joey Hess]

Wichert Akkerman wrote:
> I wouldn't call it nonsensical, but the way dpkg does it is definitely
> more robust. I need to take another close look at how rpm and dpkg
> differ in this respect anyway, so if people are interested in the little
> details I might be willing to write a little comparison about it..

I should probably add something about this to my rpm/deb comparison
page. 

The amuising thing is I never even noticed how the order was reversed,
in my prior experience with rpm, when reading all their docs, 
when I wrote that page, or working on alien (it is another reason though
why running alien --scripts is unlikely to work..).

When we were talking about this at the office, we did come up with one
situaton where the rpm ordering actually let you correct problems in
a previous package in a way dpkg's ordering did not. However, I figured
out a workaround we could use if we ever ran into that (very unlikely)
case.

-- 
see shy jo

Re: exim mail routing...

[Gregory Guthrie]

At 11:29 PM 05/21/2000 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:

nobody said, it that there must be so many places for
documentation - it simply has "grown" historically into this situation.
and even that is not that bad. man, info and /usr/doc are the main sources
- it could be *much* worse. possibly the initial /etc/motd should
say (well, not literally ;-):
"have a look at /usr/man, /usr/info and /usr/doc to get started. [...]"


-- Yes. But if/as we try to make linux more useable, such anachronisms 
should be smoothed out. E.g. it would be nice to have dynamic www pages, 
which give access to conversions of all available documentation on a 
system, looking in all the relevant places to index it.


This would merge the various sources, and provide a single consistent 
browsing /access tool, instead on (info, man, zcat).


Gregory



Dr. Gregory Guthrie
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (515)472-1125Fax: -1103
   Computer Science Department
   College of Science and Technology
   Maharishi University of Management
  (Maharishi International University 1971-1995)
http://www.mum.edu/cs_dept

Re: modem question

[Ray Olszewski]

**External** modems don't have IRQs and ioports; serial ports do. Which
serial port did you plug it into -- /dev/ttyS0 (DOS's COM1) or /dev/ttyS1
(DOS's COM2)?

You can use "setserial" in probe mode (e.g., "setserial /dev/ttyS0") to find
out what the current settings are for a serial device. You need to have
serial support in the kernel or loaded as a module for this to work.

Beyond that ... it is easier to help if you say more than "cant succed"
about what you tried and what went wrong.

At 12:22 PM 5/21/00 -0700, Paulo Henrique Baptista wrote:
>   HI all,
>   anyone has a US/Robotics 3Com external modem.
>   I'm trying to setup it and cant succed.
>   What are its configurations?
>   ioport, irq, setserial, ttyS?

"Never tell me the odds!"---
Ray Olszewski-- Han Solo
Palo Alto, CA[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Kent West]

Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I will try that next. What is funny is that only the "debian box" 
> appears gray -I
> have afterstep running-, and I can click on it: nothing happens. Any other 
> box is not gray,
> has "something". I already tried dpkg -r ; apt-get install  package>, but
> still no life to the gray box. I will see what happens.
> 

Ah; you're using AfterStep. I never could figure out how to use that wm
('course, I never bothered to read the documentation, either). I'm
content with icewm, so I haven't experimented much with other wms.

Okay, AfterStep users, can you help Antonio out here?


> Kent West wrote:
> 
> > Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > >
> > > Yes I do. I have installed several of them: icewm, fvwm, enlightenment, 
> > > afterstep,etc
> > >
> > > Pollywog wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 21 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > > I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is 
> > > > > that
> > > > > I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
> > > > > there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
> > > > > applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them 
> > > > > visible
> > > > > from there?
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Antonio.
> >
> > I'm no expert, but here's a brief rundown of my understanding.
> >
> > Desktop icons are not part of window managers, but they are part of
> > "environments", such as KDE or Gnome, so if you're looking for desktop
> > icons, that's the direction to look.
> >
> > If you're wanting items on your menu, such as in icewm, there are
> > definition files for each item. When packages are installed they place a
> > menu definition file in /usr/lib/menu. SysAdmins can override these
> > menus by placing new files in /etc/menu, and individual users can set up
> > their own menus by placing files in ~/.menu. (See the README in
> > /usr/lib/menu.)
> >
> > I would check /usr/lib/menu to see if there are any files in there. If
> > not, then I figure you can do one of three things: 1) manually create a
> > file for each menu item you want, 2) reinstall each package you want a
> > menu item for, or 3) upgrade your system, and each package that is
> > upgraded should create a menu item file.
> >
> > "menu-update" might have to be run in order to update the menus from the
> > menu definition files, and you might have to restart your window manager
> > to get it to see the new menu item.
> >
> > Again, I'm no expert, and I'm not positive that this is the way things
> > work, but it might point you in the right direction.
> 
> --
> Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null

Re: Update on Epson Stylus Color 850 info

[Pollywog]

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:

> Hm... "Developing"? We only needd color tuning. We don't need a
> driver. We *do* have a driver! These are the 3 lines in the upp file
> that need to be changed:
>
> -dupCyanTransfer="{0. 0.0452 0.0836 0.1215 0.1493 0.1749 }"
> -dupMagentaTransfer="{ 0. 0.0602 0.1133 0.1961 0.2945 0.3885 }"
> -dupYellowTransfer="{  0. 0.0350 0.0914 0.1567 0.2430 0.2934 }"
>
> These numbers needd tuning. Would you call that "development"? A few
> numbers!!! Nothing else!
>

Thanks for the info.  I should be getting the Epson Stylus Color printer I 
ordered, sometime this week.

--
Andrew

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Pollywog]

On Sun, 21 May 2000, you wrote:

>
> I'm no expert, but here's a brief rundown of my understanding.
>
> Desktop icons are not part of window managers, but they are part of
> "environments", such as KDE or Gnome, so if you're looking for desktop
> icons, that's the direction to look.

I am less of an expert than you, but that is also my understanding.
I probably misunderstood the question; I thought the original poster could 
not change their menus or even access them and that they were looking at a 
blank screen.

--
Andrew

Re: modem question

[Kent West]

Paulo Henrique Baptista wrote:
> 
> HI all,
> anyone has a US/Robotics 3Com external modem.
> I'm trying to setup it and cant succed.
> What are its configurations?
> ioport, irq, setserial, ttyS?
> Thanks, Paulo Henrique
> 
Assuming it's not a winmodem (and being external, it's almost certainly
not), it's probably plugged into one of your serial ports. The
definition of a particular serial port as being COM1 (/dev/ttyS0) or
COM2 (/dev/ttyS1), etc might be done in the computer's CMOS, and might
be done in software (Linux's setserial command/config file).

Assuming standard setup on your box (serial port A = IRQ4 = IOPort
0x2F8, serial port B = IRQ3 = IOPort 0x3F8, I think), use minicom and
experiment between ttyS[0-3], telling it to call your cell phone which
you have close by. When your modem lights blink and dials out and your
cell rings, you've got the right serial port.

If you get error messages on all, take a look at the setserial stuff (I
think the file locations/methods changed between ham and potato, so I
can't give you specifics).

Taking a look at "cat /proc/ioports" and "cat /proc/interrupts" may also
help you figure out if your serial ports are active.

I know this isn't as clear-cut as you'd like (I'm pretty green with a
lot of Linux), but maybe it'll help point you in the right direction.

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Thanks, I will try that next. What is funny is that only the "debian box" 
appears gray -I
have afterstep running-, and I can click on it: nothing happens. Any other box 
is not gray,
has "something". I already tried dpkg -r ; apt-get install , but
still no life to the gray box. I will see what happens.

Kent West wrote:

> Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> > Yes I do. I have installed several of them: icewm, fvwm, enlightenment, 
> > afterstep,etc
> >
> > Pollywog wrote:
> >
> > > On Sun, 21 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > > > I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is that
> > > > I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
> > > > there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
> > > > applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them visible
> > > > from there?
> > > > Thanks,
> > > > Antonio.
>
> I'm no expert, but here's a brief rundown of my understanding.
>
> Desktop icons are not part of window managers, but they are part of
> "environments", such as KDE or Gnome, so if you're looking for desktop
> icons, that's the direction to look.
>
> If you're wanting items on your menu, such as in icewm, there are
> definition files for each item. When packages are installed they place a
> menu definition file in /usr/lib/menu. SysAdmins can override these
> menus by placing new files in /etc/menu, and individual users can set up
> their own menus by placing files in ~/.menu. (See the README in
> /usr/lib/menu.)
>
> I would check /usr/lib/menu to see if there are any files in there. If
> not, then I figure you can do one of three things: 1) manually create a
> file for each menu item you want, 2) reinstall each package you want a
> menu item for, or 3) upgrade your system, and each package that is
> upgraded should create a menu item file.
>
> "menu-update" might have to be run in order to update the menus from the
> menu definition files, and you might have to restart your window manager
> to get it to see the new menu item.
>
> Again, I'm no expert, and I'm not positive that this is the way things
> work, but it might point you in the right direction.

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Kent West]

Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> Yes I do. I have installed several of them: icewm, fvwm, enlightenment, 
> afterstep,etc
> 
> Pollywog wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 21 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > > I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is that
> > > I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
> > > there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
> > > applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them visible
> > > from there?
> > > Thanks,
> > > Antonio.

I'm no expert, but here's a brief rundown of my understanding.

Desktop icons are not part of window managers, but they are part of
"environments", such as KDE or Gnome, so if you're looking for desktop
icons, that's the direction to look.

If you're wanting items on your menu, such as in icewm, there are
definition files for each item. When packages are installed they place a
menu definition file in /usr/lib/menu. SysAdmins can override these
menus by placing new files in /etc/menu, and individual users can set up
their own menus by placing files in ~/.menu. (See the README in
/usr/lib/menu.)

I would check /usr/lib/menu to see if there are any files in there. If
not, then I figure you can do one of three things: 1) manually create a
file for each menu item you want, 2) reinstall each package you want a
menu item for, or 3) upgrade your system, and each package that is
upgraded should create a menu item file.

"menu-update" might have to be run in order to update the menus from the
menu definition files, and you might have to restart your window manager
to get it to see the new menu item.

Again, I'm no expert, and I'm not positive that this is the way things
work, but it might point you in the right direction.

Re: RFC okay, i hereby volunteer.

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>so.
>
>i volunteer (and would love some assistance from
>some of you others--Svante? are you listening? hmm?) 
>to spend some of my free [sic] time to make it easier
>for newbies to find their way around (so that the
>experts can focus on answering more challenging 
>questions and devise more cool stuff for the rest of
>us to use in the future) by launching a two-pronged 
>attack:

Erm, there's really no point posting to debian-user on this one. I think
you want to try debian-www or debian-doc instead, if you want anything
to happen; I suspect most of the relevant people don't have time to read
this (relatively high-traffic) list.

>1) tinker with the debian web pages to make it more
>difficult for newbies to NOT find what they're
>looking for.

OK. As long as you don't make it harder for other people to find their
way around, as this *isn't* something experts can turn off. :)

>   - how to upgrade to a newer debian [apt-get / apt]
>   - have a cgi form to generate via Q&A
>   apt-get sources.list items

I'd prefer the existing documented interface (dselect's "Access" screen)
to be improved so that you don't have to go by trial and error, and
perhaps a tool called aptconfig or whatever for those who don't like
dselect. The website should then direct people to that.

>   - tip of the day (maybe make a fortune database for this?)

That sounds like a good idea, then people can submit extra tips to the
fortune-newbie maintainer or whatever through the bug tracking system.
Use the existing interfaces where they exist. :)

>i think it's safe to assume that the more-knowledgeable
>folk have less trouble navigating, so we can put their
>stuff further down in the hierarchy or at least further
>down on the page.

A lot of things are already filed in Developers' Corner. I really don't
think that much of the stuff needs moved away to avoid scaring people or
whatever - I'd rather see a link to a "Get Help Here!" section or
something. But debian-www will have more useful commentary on this.

>   "expect to be confused now and then; it's part of the
>   learning process ..."
>   [not intending that to be funny--maybe if we warn them that
>   not everything will fall into their laps, the newbies may
>   be less inclined to think that the gurus OWE them answers.]

I completely agree, here ...

>comments and recruits are very welcome. newbies unite!

The sentiment's appropriate, but you'll have to get developers
interested, or nothing will happen, and experienced people are likely to
be able to give better feedback on your suggestions anyway. If you post
to debian-{www,docs}, you'll get to people who are interested in
improving, and, more to the point, *can* improve the documentation
that's available. If you can get some of the systems you outline above
running, *then* it would be useful to solicit expertise from here.

-- 
Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Mark Crotts]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 05:43:47PM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> Yes I do. I have installed several of them: icewm, fvwm, enlightenment, 
> afterstep,etc

Try this.
vim ~/.xinitrc
add the following line
exec 

save it then "startx"

> Pollywog wrote:
 

RE: apt-get proxy config?

[Christian Pernegger]

Hi!

Read

man apt-get

It explains how to permanently set up proxies for apt.

IIRC: (in /etc/apt/apt.conf add)

Acquire::http::proxy "http://yourproxy:yourport/";;

Christian

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of
> Peter Firmstone
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 3:54 PM
> To: debian
> Subject: apt-get proxy config?
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm relatively new to debian and I'm having a little confusion setting
> up my /etc/apt/sources.list file for use behind a squid proxy-firewall.
> 
> I can't seem to get the format right!
> 
> I guessed that it may be:
> 
> deb http://squid.cqu.edu.au:3128/www.au.debian.org/debian stable main
> contrib non-US
> 
> however this doesn't appear right as the proxy server returns the error:
> 400 Bad Request
> 
> What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Thanks in Advance,
> 
> Peter Firmstone.

modem question

[Paulo Henrique Baptista]

HI all,
anyone has a US/Robotics 3Com external modem.
I'm trying to setup it and cant succed.
What are its configurations?
ioport, irq, setserial, ttyS?
Thanks, Paulo Henrique

samba question

[Paulo Henrique Baptista]

Hi all,
I want to setup samba. Anyone can send me a good smb.conf aside
the one that exists at SAMBA HOWTO.
I tried to setup and it didnt appear at explorer at windows client.
What commands I can use to log samba problems?
Thanks, Paulo Henrique

diald question

[Paulo Henrique Baptista]

Hi all,
I have a small network with a debian gnu/linux box with modem 
sharing connection with windows clients (using masquerade). I want to 
install and configure diald  to automagically dials when some windows 
client try to acess the Internet.
I installed diald and I'm lost.
I dont know how to configure it.
and how to test it.
any help will be great.
Thanks, Paulo Henrique

RFC okay, i hereby volunteer.

[w trillich]

from the private support i've gotten over my 'HFTFMADBUFE'
rantings, i can tell i struck a chord: this is not specific
to debian, it's a unix/linux-wide situation. the documentation 
is hither and yon, and the newbies don't have the knowledge
of which tools to use in order to find what they're looking for.

and this is why they ask.

expert advice on this list is often the simplest way for the
newbies to get their front-end aligned, so to speak, yet it's
frustrating for the experts to see the same simple questions
asked time after time.

that the information exists is not enough: the lost ark was
placed in the warehouse, but not even indiana jones would be
able to find it--even though it's right there! you only need
to know which box, and which aisle, to find it. for those
who do know which box and which aisle, it gets tedious
answering the same simple questions.

so.

i volunteer (and would love some assistance from
some of you others--Svante? are you listening? hmm?) 
to spend some of my free [sic] time to make it easier
for newbies to find their way around (so that the
experts can focus on answering more challenging 
questions and devise more cool stuff for the rest of
us to use in the future) by launching a two-pronged 
attack:


1) tinker with the debian web pages to make it more
difficult for newbies to NOT find what they're
looking for. examples:
a. search field, top left number one always always always.
if searching the whole site is kaput, then add a
menu for choosing whether to search mailing list
archives, packages or bugs
b. newbie links:
- debian faq / faq-o-matic
- debian / linux glossary
- where/how to download debian
- will debian work on my hardware? [ports]
- i386
- powerpc
- sparc
etc
- how to upgrade to a newer debian [apt-get / apt]
- have a cgi form to generate via Q&A
apt-get sources.list items
- show how to determine which debian they've got
- how to upgrade one package [apt-get]
- manuals / documentation
- ask other debian users [subscribe to debian-user]
c. have the remainder of the left column contain
- quick-start guide
- tip of the day (maybe make a fortune database for this?)
- debian mailing lists galore
- why debian? [about the debian organization]
- philosophy
- contact
- volunteer
- donate
etc.
- languages available (use nationality flag icons)
[need to fix "??? ?? (GB) ?? (Big5) 
??? ??? Dansk..." regardless]
d. have the right column remain news-like

i think it's safe to assume that the more-knowledgeable
folk have less trouble navigating, so we can put their
stuff further down in the hierarchy or at least further
down on the page.

online html documentation must be updated so that any reference
to 'currently' is replaced with 'as of xx/yy/zz' to reduce 
misinformation--such as the outdated comment that "hamm (2.0) is
the current debian release."


2) start on a script (perl? shell?) called, perhaps,
"NEWBIE" that'll take any number of arguments
and scan the local system for
- locate 
- apropos 
- man 
- info 
- /usr/{share/,}doc/{,-doc}/*
- http://www.*.debian.org/doc/
- /var/cache/apt/*
- dpkg -S / dpkg -L
- iterate thru $PATH to find matching commands
- other suggestions?
and display command options to get the documentation
sought, or actually run the commands themselves directly.

it may require its own flat/text database of sorts, perhaps
using an input value of english phrases describing what
a newbie might be looking for, and an output value of
a list of commands (or inf/man/http commands) that answer
that request.

e.g.
"file manager" -> "mc, ..."
"receiving/receive email" -> "fetchmail, mutt ..."
"upgrades/upgrading" -> "apt-get, dpkg, alien..."
"help" -> "man, info..."



2a) maybe create a TOTD to implement a tip-of-the-day,
once per login. such as
"looking for help sending email? try 'newbie send email'."

"to update from 2.1 (slink) to 2.2 (potato), ..."

"to launch XWindows, try 'startx'; to install it,
do 'apt-get install X'"

"expect to be confused now and then; it's part of the
learning process ..."
[not intending that to be funny--maybe if we warn them that
not everything will fall into their laps, the newbies may
be less inclined to think that the gurus OW

RE: Please help - network incredibly slow...

[Christian Pernegger]

Thanks for your reply!

Info coming up... (attached, unix line breaks)

I just hope they're readable - I have to mail from
NT because I haven't had time to get exim to do my bidding yet :(

Regards

Christian


> -Original Message-
> From: John Pearson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 4:15 AM
> To: Debian user list
> Subject: Re: Please help - network incredibly slow...
> 
> It would be handy if you provided the output of /sbin/ifconfig and 
> cat /proc/interrupts for one of the machines.  My first guess would
> be a shared IRQ.
> 
> 
> John P.eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:E5:F0:6B  
  inet addr:192.168.0.1  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:1049453 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:1152282 errors:2058 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
  Interrupt:18 Base address:0xb000 

eth1  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:10:5A:F7:E5:54  
  inet addr:212.17.124.103  Bcast:212.17.124.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST NOTRAILERS RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:47440 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2108 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:5
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
  Interrupt:17 Base address:0xa800 

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
  RX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:10 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 

   CPU0   CPU1   
  0: 247145 245199IO-APIC-edge  timer
  1:   1695   1635IO-APIC-edge  keyboard
  2:  0  0  XT-PIC  cascade
  8:  0  1IO-APIC-edge  rtc
 13:  1  0  XT-PIC  fpu
 17:  24799  24794   IO-APIC-level  eth1
 18:10089351008938   IO-APIC-level  eth0
 19:  19823  19793   IO-APIC-level  aic7xxx, EMU10K1
NMI:  0
ERR:  0
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:60:08:81:72:87  
  inet addr:192.168.0.101  Bcast:192.168.0.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:333 errors:9 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:14
  TX packets:247 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
  Interrupt:9 Base address:0x6000 

loLink encap:Local Loopback  
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:3924  Metric:1
  RX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:18 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0 

   CPU0   
  0: 340292  XT-PIC  timer
  1:  2  XT-PIC  keyboard
  2:  0  XT-PIC  cascade
  8:  1  XT-PIC  rtc
  9:745  XT-PIC  eth0
 13:  0  XT-PIC  fpu
 14:  16564  XT-PIC  ide0
NMI:  0

RE: squid maybe causing crash

[zdrysdal]

Here is the required info :

It is an old 486 DX/SX Dell machine with 16MB ram running Slink with 2.0.36
kernel.
Disk space = total 837MB, free 339MB.

Main software is : Squid version 2.1.2-1.  Apache version 1.3.3-7.  Smail
version 3.2.0.102-1.

I was unable to retrieve any relevant onfo from the log files, sorry.

thanz







"C. Falconer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> on 19/05/2000 21:12:02

Please respond to "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To:   Zane Drysdale/Diagnostic Labs/64
cc:
Subject:  RE: squid maybe causing crash




May I ask you to post the specifications for the machine?  IE, how much
ram, what CPU(s), how much ram, hard drive specs (used and free), brand of
mainboard, how much ram, etc

And versions are important too...  what kernel, what version of squid, any
strange software running on the machine?

...and any relevant lines from /var/log/squid/access.log <-- from
memory  my home server is spitware

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[- =-Hiya

i just had my mail/internet server crash.  It took a while for fsck to fix
the problem... but most of the errors point to squid caching
directories is there a connection here???

thanx

Zane



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Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Yes I do. I have installed several of them: icewm, fvwm, enlightenment, 
afterstep,etc

Pollywog wrote:

> On Sun, 21 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> > I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is that
> > I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
> > there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
> > applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them visible
> > from there?
> > Thanks,
> > Antonio.
>
> Which window manager are you using?  Did you install one?
> It seems you do not have one installed.
>
> --
> Andrew
>
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Re: exim mail routing...

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> >> Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have 
> >> as my new mail program.
> >> 
> >RTFM! ;-)
> >look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
> >config example.
> 
> Or run 'eximconfig'. A lot easier ;)
> 
yes - that's the thing, that is run from the postinst script,
which i mentioned later in my posts regarding "smarthost".
today i know ... ;-)

> However, reading the manual and understanding /etc/exim.conf is
> probably a good thing anyway.
> 
yes - and a lot more fun (read: frustrating). *g*

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Re: anyone have apsfilter working with a networked ps printer?

[Sven Gaerner]

I just configured apsfilter for using a ps printer connected locally to 
/dev/lp0.
Then I added the line
:rp=\:
and changed the line
:lp...\: to :lp=/dev/null:\
in the file /etc/printcap.

That's all and worked fine for me until now...

Sven

At Thu, 18 May 2000 14:00:55 -0800 (AKDT),
Britton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
> If you do, and you could mail me a copy of your config files,
> (/etc/printcap and /etc/apsfilterrc in particular) I would greatly
> appreciate it.  Configuring apsfilter to work for remote printers seems to
> be somewhat tricky (as advertised).
> 
> Britton Kerin
> __
> GNU GPL: "The Source will be with you... always."
> 
> 
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Re: exim mail routing...

[Sven Burgener]

[snip]
>> Sorry, but what on earth is "HFTFMADBUFE"? Couldn't find it in the
>> Jargon file.
[snip]
>well, i have the impression, that it is "decrypted" on the same line.
;-)

Yes, sorry, I realised it slightly too late. I guess the length of the
acronym completely knocked me out for a sec there. ;-)

Sven

Re: exim mail routing...

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> >HFTFMADBUFE, the linux motto, is an acronym for 'hunt for the %#@
> [snip]
> 
> Sorry, but what on earth is "HFTFMADBUFE"? Couldn't find it in the
> Jargon file.
> 
well, i have the impression, that it is "decrypted" on the same line. ;-)

however, this attack against debian (or linux or even *nix as a whole) was
a bit of the mark. nobody said, it that there must be so many places for
documentation - it simply has "grown" historically into this situation.
and even that is not that bad. man, info and /usr/doc are the main sources
- it could be *much* worse. possibly the initial /etc/motd should
say (well, not literally ;-): 
"have a look at /usr/man, /usr/info and /usr/doc to get started. [...]"

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Re: exim mail routing...

[Miquel van Smoorenburg]

In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
Oswald Buddenhagen  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have 
>> as my new mail program.
>> 
>RTFM! ;-)
>look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
>config example.

Or run 'eximconfig'. A lot easier ;)

However, reading the manual and understanding /etc/exim.conf is
probably a good thing anyway.

Mike.
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Re: exim mail routing...

[Sven Burgener]

[snip]
>HFTFMADBUFE, the linux motto, is an acronym for 'hunt for the %#@
[snip]

Sorry, but what on earth is "HFTFMADBUFE"? Couldn't find it in the
Jargon file.

TIA
Sven

Debian and the Linuxtag 2000

[Alexander Reelsen]

Hi

First, the Linuxtag[1] is one of the biggest linux events in europe, held
this year in Stuttgart, Germany. It is dated from 29 June to the 2nd of
July. It deals with all aspects of GNU/Linux and is directed to everyone,
regardless if newbie or experienced administrator. There will be
commercial exhibitors such as IBM, HP, suse, Corel and many more, as well
as a Free Software Pavillon, where free software projects like WINE, parsec,
povray, roxen, gimp, blender, berlin, freebsd and, of course ;), Debian,
will be.
Speakers will be Richard Stallman, Matthias Kalle Dalheimer, Miguel de Icaza,
Alan Cox, Rasterman and many more.


Right now, Othmar Pasteka ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) and me are doing the booth
coordination for the Debian booth. Here some facts about the linuxtag and
debian:
- ID-PRO sponsors about 1 cd's, which will be handed out at the LT2k
- Currently a small team works on a working potato CD [2] with special
  task[3] packages, just for this CD.
- Label and case for the CD are created at the moment (no URL available)
- We try to show a running debian on as many platforms as possible, right
  now there are three != i386. So if anyone has some nice hardware lying
  around, which isn't needed during the LT2k and has a more-or-less
  working debian on it, feel free to mail me that you will bring it with
  you. :)
- A list of people at the booth and other information about the booth
  (we will have 18 square meters, what is pretty much compared to last
  year's booth), can be obtained here [4].
- We have not decided yet, what kind of software will be run on the
  machines. Something like blender often acts magnetic on the visitors. I
  am open for suggestions here...
- Some flyers need to be created and printed. I don't know what's up with
  this issue, need to clear that one up.


If you also want to help, just drop Othmar or me a note, along with your
avaibility.
If you want to sponsor (it would be perfect if we had TFT displays instead
of monitors, that would save some space), mail me as well.

If any unanswered questions should have occured, mail me or Othmar.


URLS:
[1]   http://www.linuxtag.org
[2]   http://www.copyleft.de/~roland/debian/lt2k/
[3]   http://www.copyleft.de/~roland/debian/lt2k/task
[4]   http://joker.rhwd.de/debian/lt2k/


MfG/Regards, Alexander

P.S. I am currently not subscribed to debian-user, please Cc me, when
mailing publically.

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Re: exim mail routing...

[Riku Saikkonen]

Gregory Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>I used to have sendmail used as my MTA, and had it setup to use an upstream 
>smartmailer, i.e. all non-local mail went there.
>
>Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have 
>as my new mail program.

Run "eximconfig" (the normal easy way to configure exim) and answer
the questions it gives you. One of the setup options is an "Internet
site using a smarthost"; I've used that on a couple of machines, and
it has worked very well.

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Re: configuring X problem

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> --
> What am I doing wrong ? I've tried selecting different mouse and
> keyboard
> options, but still get the same error.
> 
i'm not sure, but i have the impression, that exactly the same question
came up some days ago on this list, so please look at the archives.
if you find nothing, then post your /etc/X11/XF86Config

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Re: exim mail routing...

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> > > Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have
> > > as my new mail program.
> > >
> >RTFM! ;-)
> >look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
> >config example.
> 
> -- Ahem, ...
> 
> in the "FM" there is no string "smarthost".   :-)
> 
the FM is not only the man page - at least i think so.
as somebody said before, there are several standard places to look for
documentation ...
you can always find them with "dpkg -L " - if you know dpkg.

> Also none in info, but a zgrep shows something in /usr/doc/exim/...
> 
that's right. that's "the 800 kb file" (althrough zipped it is only 240 kb
...).

> This was an automatic setup option with sendmail!
> 
i'm not sure, as i configured it by hand, but i have the impression, that
the exim postinstall script offered a smarthost config to me.

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Re[2]: exim mail routing...

[Bob Bernstein]

Gregory Guthrie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> This was an automatic setup option with sendmail!

grep smarthost /usr/sbin/eximconfig


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[Hagit Tenne]

Re: OT: Is pgp 2.6.X considered old?

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 12:35:32PM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> Thanks for the quick replies.  There is no "pgp" link to pgp5.  I see a set
> of executable links from the manpage.  
> 
> Mutt expects "pgp."  What is the best approach to integrate these together? 
...
Never mind, folks.  I just FTFM...

Kenward

Re: OT: Is pgp 2.6.X considered old?

[Kenward Vaughan]

Thanks for the quick replies.  There is no "pgp" link to pgp5.  I see a set
of executable links from the manpage.  

Mutt expects "pgp."  What is the best approach to integrate these together? 

Kenward


On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 11:49:48AM -0700, Eric Hanchrow wrote:
> > "Kenward" == Kenward Vaughan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Kenward> I just installed pgp last night, read some mail this AM,
> Kenward> and got a "need newer pgp version" message from a tagged
> Kenward> post.  I haven't used pgp before, so don't know if the
> Kenward> "older" version is considered really old now.  Can
> Kenward> someone toss the answer to this my way, please?
> 
> The answer is "yes".
> 
> If you want to use PGP, consider version 5 (it lives in the Debian
> package named `pgp5i').  On the other hand, you might consider GnuPG
> instead -- it's *almost* completely compatible with PGP (alas, there
> are some incompatibilities with PGP version 2), and is entirely free.
> (It's in package `gnupg').
> 
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Re: exim mail routing...

[Gregory Guthrie]

At 06:07 PM 05/21/2000 +0200, Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:

> Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have
> as my new mail program.
>
RTFM! ;-)
look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
config example.


-- Ahem, ...

in the "FM" there is no string "smarthost".   :-)

Also none in info, but a zgrep shows something in /usr/doc/exim/...

This was an automatic setup option with sendmail!

Thx,

Greg





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configuring X problem

[BadMan]

I use Debian2.1 , installation went fine everything works fine, EXCEPT I
just cant get Xwindows to work.
I have  16Mb Diamond Viper TNT AGP Video Card (Version 1.95E5802),
IntelliMouse 1.1A PS/2 Compatible.

I try to configure XFree86, write the new configuration, when I try to
start
X, the screen blinks as if it was trying to start X and then goes back
to
virtual console with the following error message:

System: '/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb/xkbcomp -w
1 -R/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/xkb -xkm -m us -em1 "The XKEYBOARD keymap
compiler
(xkbcomp)
reports: " -emp" >" -elm "Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to X server"
keymap/xfree86 compiled/xfree86.xkm'

Fatal server error:
Cannot open mouse(Operation not supported by device)

X conection to: 0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).


--
What am I doing wrong ? I've tried selecting different mouse and
keyboard
options, but still get the same error.
Thnks in advance !

Anyone have kppp working under potato?

[walt]

I started with the Corel/debian linux download version.
Kppp worked fine.  Then I made lots of changes.  

I did an "apt-get dist-upgrade" to potato, which went fine.

This removed the Corel kde installation so I got the standard 
kde 1.1.2 debian distribution from kde.org, which also went
fine.

I noticed the pppconfig/pon/poff feature which comes with
debian, so I went thru the configuration and now pon/poff
works fine.

BUT!!! kppp (which I love and planned to use primarily) is
now broken.

kppp will dial and connect to the point where the modem 
returns a "CONNECT" and then the modem hangs up instantly, 
with no useful diagnostic messages.

The same happens whether dialing as root or as me, so file
perms are not the problem.

I wonder if the configuration files left behind by pppconfig
could be interfering with kppp?

Any hints much appreciated!

P.S.--I also installed xfree86 4.0 in the meantime, which
also seems to be working fine.  I can't imagine how that
would break kppp, though.

Re: Putting applications in Xwindows

[Pollywog]

On Sun, 21 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is that
> I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
> there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
> applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them visible
> from there?
> Thanks,
> Antonio.

Which window manager are you using?  Did you install one?
It seems you do not have one installed.

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Re: OT: Is pgp 2.6.X considered old?

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sun, May 21, 2000 at 11:41:12 -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> I just installed pgp last night, read some mail this AM, and got a "need
> newer pgp version" message from a tagged post.  I haven't used pgp before,
> so don't know if the "older" version is considered really old now.

More or less. You may want to consider using GnuPG, the GNU Privacy Guard,
which is a free software implementation of the ideas behind PGP and which
doesn't rely on patented algorithms (RSA in the US, IDEA in Europe). If you
need backward compatibility with PGP2, have a look at the gpg-rsa and
gpg-idea packages.

HTH,
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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[w trillich]

Steve Lamb wrote:
> 
> On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 06:29:01PM -0500, w trillich wrote:
> > there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink,
> 
> Of course not.  Correct me if I'm wrong but apt didn't really come into
> its own as the standard package tool until potato.

you're probably right. (and you probably know that. :) )

which is why it should not surprise any gurus on this list that
newbies upgrading from slink know nothing about APT or its magic.
they don't rtfm because they don't know about it.

NEWBIES: check out 'apt-get'! it's better than dpkg, which is
better than redhat's rpm 'system'...

Re: apt-get, upgrade, /var/cache/apt/archives

[w trillich]

Daniel Martin wrote:
> 
> Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 19 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> >
> > > 1:) What is the best way to make apt-get use the /archives folder to
> > > perform the upgrade and return the system to stage 2. above?
> >
> > cp /archive/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/
> 
> Specifically, apt stores all of the dependency and install-order
> information in databases that only need to download the Potato
> Packages.gz files to be rebuilt - if you do this, then do your update
> and dist-upgrade, apt shouldn't have to download packages again
> (except that some of the packages will have changed since you last got
> them).
> 
> What this will not restore is any changes you made in which packages
> were selected.  This information is stored elsewhere.


should we all have an /archive/ directory at root level? i sure don't.
maybe that's on the cd...?

i do have /var/cache/apt/archives/ after doing much
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get upgrade

so after i reset everything and reinstall slink from cd, having saved
the /var/cache/apt/* stuff, can i just restore the /var/cache/apt/
directory and upgrade to potato again with the above commands?
[without having to re-download the wheel, so to speak?]

OT: Is pgp 2.6.X considered old?

[Kenward Vaughan]

I just installed pgp last night, read some mail this AM, and got a "need
newer pgp version" message from a tagged post.  I haven't used pgp before,
so don't know if the "older" version is considered really old now.  Can
someone toss the answer to this my way, please?  

TIA,

Kenward

Re: module loading problems

[ulla . russell]

I tried depmod -a and got  

/lib/modules/2.2.9/fs/vfat.o:unresolved symbols
/lib/modules/2.2.9/fs/msdos.o
/lib/modules/2.2.9/fs/fat.o
/lib/modules/2.2.9/net/eepro100.o
/lib/modules/2.2.9/net/3c59x.o
/lib/modules/2.2.9/net/dummy
/lib/modules/2.2.9/net/bsd_comp.o
/lib/modules/2.2.9/net/ibmtr.o
etc etc...

Maybe my friend and I will just have to try again
(to recompile that is).I try to investigate this 
problem further b4 that though. It would be nice 
to know what went wrong and his computer is so 
sl! It takes forever to compile the kernel.

Thanks for the tip viz ^s and ^q.

T:Irvine



At 02:37 21.5.2000 -0500, you wrote:
>Thus spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Sun, May 21, 2000 at 02:00:11AM CDT
>> 
>> .
>> .
>> make menuconfig
>> make-kpkg clean 
>> make-kpkg --revision=custom.1.0 kernel_image
>> dpkg -i ../kernel-image..deb
>> 
>> With the new kernel installed we get the following
>> messages:
>
>Simple is best.  I've never had any problems under Debian building and
>installing Linux kernels the 'old fashioned' way.
>
>cd /usr/src/linux
>make menuconfig
>make dep
>make clean
>make bzImage
>make modules
>make modules_install
>
>Copy the compressed kernel image from /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/boot to /boot
>using an appropriate name of your choice such as vmlinuz-2.2.9 (don't
>overwrite your old one!)
>
>Edit /etc/lilo.conf to reference your new kernel (see the man page for
>lilo.conf)
>
>lilo
>shutdown -r now
>
>After the system comes back up, as root, run depmod -a.  It's probably
>already being run by the /etc/init.d/modutils boot script but running it
>again won't hurt anything, and will make sure it's done.
>
>
>> 2)
>> How can I get dmesg or some log file to save a complete list 
>> of all the messages that the kernel prints when it is booting.
>> It a little irrating booting and rebooting just so as to be
>> able to read boot messages.
>
>Ctrl-S will stop the load process and freeze your display.  Ctrl-Q will
>restart it.  This may help.  I believe the scroll-lock key works as a toggle
>on this on current kernels.
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Re: exim mail routing...

[w trillich]

eavesdropping, here...

one of the debian gurus wrote:
> 
> > Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have
> > as my new mail program.
> >
> RTFM! ;-)
> look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
> config example.

for illustrative purposes, here's how i'd follow that advice:

% man exim
/smart
"Pattern not found" -- in 1650 lines of text


% info exim
/smarthost
>route_list = "*  smarthost.ref.book  bydns_a"
>
> which causes all messages containing remote addresses to be sent
> to the single host `smarthost.ref.book', whose address (in this

only two matches, within three lines of each other.
maybe it's on another of the 56 nodes, if you can figure
out how to get there or how to search them all...


% zgrep smarthost /usr/doc/exim*/*
/usr/doc/exim/changelog.Debian.gz:
+ New configuration for system with local deliveries but smarthost
/usr/doc/exim/oview.txt.gz:
 *.uucp) and it can also be used as a 'smarthost' router by using
the all-
/usr/doc/exim/spec.txt.gz:
 route_list = "*  smarthost.ref.book  bydns_a"
 single host smarthost.ref.book, whose address (in this example) is


so, what he* meant was, HFTFMADBUE even though he said RTFM.


[ what debian needs is MORE places to store documentation, so that
newbies will NEVER be able to find them. that's the ticket. ]


HFTFMADBUFE, the linux motto, is an acronym for 'hunt for the %#@ 
manuals, and don't bother us %#@ experts', because the manuals 
are splintered into a billion pieces all over the %#@ place, and 
you're lucky to find the right one if you actually happen to have 
them installed on your system.

what i mean, is, the reason newbies don't FIND the documentation
is because it is an ORDEAL to do so. apprentice-guru status is
required to know to search /usr/doc via zgrep AND /usr/share/doc
AND info pages AND man pages AND apropos...

the simple thing to do, is ask others who might know. 
which is what this list is for.

--

*not just picking on oswald or ron; all those who are familiar 
with the documentation after years of osmosis could go a bit easy
on those of us who don't yet automatically know that 'mc' means
'file manager'--duh! how obvious!... or that 'infocmp' means
'display my terminal settings'--what a moron! everyone knows
that one! RTFM!

am i getting through? am i just farting in a windstorm?
am i way off base?

Putting applications in Xwindows

[Antonio Rodriguez]

I got my Xwindows going with functioning mouse, the only problem is that
I don't have any applications accessible from there, even xterm isn't
there! I suposse that it hapenned because I installed all the
applications first, and then only my Xsystem. How do I make them visible
from there?
Thanks,
Antonio.

Minor Samba issues

[Philip Lehman]

I just installed Samba on a small server to act as a file and print
server for a Linux (printing only) and a Windows client (both).
Installing and configuring everthing took about ten minutes, SWAT is
amazing!

So basically everything works like it is supposed to, but there are
still some minor issues:

(1) Codepages

nmbd complains that it can't find the codepage file
/etc/samba/codepages/codepage.850. While browsing the docs and the man
pages, I found the manpage for make_smbcodepage. As far as I see I
have to construct the codepage files required by Samba from some text
or binary templates. But where do I get the templates from?

It seems like they don't come with the DEB and I didn't find anything
on ftp.samba.org either. The manpage for make_smbcodepage talks about
source/codepages, does this mean I have to get the source tarball?

2. Printing and extra blank pages

When printing from either client, I get an extra blank page after each
print job. This is mentioned in the docs but I'm only advised to check
the printer config on the server and the settings on the clients,
whatever that means.

Printing on the server locally with lpr -Plp (the command used by
Samba as well) does not produce any extra pages, so I assume the lpd
setup on the server side is fine.

(a) On the Windows box, the printer driver offers to send an extra
separator page, but this option is turned off. Not a Samba issue at
this point, but maybe someone has faced this before?

(b) On the Linux box, the setup is harder to debug; /etc/printcap uses
a magicfilter script as input filter, which basically does the usual
PS to PCL conversion (the printer is a non-PS HP LaserJet 5L) and
pipes its output to a script which adds "print -" and pipes on to
smbprint.

If I pipe a text file straight to the smb print script: no extra page.
If I connect the printer to the Linux box and print locally using the
same magicfilter file: no extra page. If I even connect the printer to
the windows box and use that as a print server for the Linux box (same
configuration on the Linux box, all I do is change the printer name):
no extra page. Huh?

Some configuration details for the Linux client are included below. I
would appreciate your thoughts and hints. TIA

### /etc/printcap
smb:\
:lp=/dev/lpnull:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/smb:\
:if=/usr/local/share/magicfilter/lj5smb:\
:af=/var/log/lp-acct:\
:lf=/var/log/lp-errs:\
:sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:

### /usr/local/share/magicfilter/lj5smb (excerpt)
[magic] gs [gs options] -sOutputFile=- - |
/usr/local/share/samba/smbprint

### /usr/local/share/samba/smbprint
(
  echo "print -"
  cat
) | /usr/bin/smbclient \\server\hp -P -U nobody -N

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Re: xterm xterm-debian

[Christophe TROESTLER]

On Thu, 18 May 2000, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> What's the best the best way to avoid having ot reset my terminal
> variable everytime I telnet to a site that does not know what
> xterm-debian is?  Since this happens quite often it is getting a
> little tedious.

Make a script.  For example I use the following:
--
#!/bin/sh

PATH=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin

ALLARGS=$@
## Only the last part of the options, the host
TELNETHOST=$(echo "$ALLARGS" | sed -e 
"s/^.*[[:blank:]]\+\([[:alnum:].]*\)[[:blank:]]*$/\1/")
## The machine name (no domain):
SHORTHOST=$(echo $TELNETHOST | sed -e "s/\..*$//")

exec rxvt -bg Black -fg White -cr Red -font fixed \
  -name remotexterm -T "Telnet: $TELNETHOST" -n "$SHORTHOST" \
  -e sh -c "export TERM=vt100; telnet $ALLARGS"
--
You use it like telnet.  This is bind to menu entries on my system, so
it opens a new window (with a red cursor to indicate telnet is
fundamentally unsecure).

ChriS

Options for automatic recompilation

[Christophe TROESTLER]

Hi everybody,

I know 

apt-get --compile source 

will download and recompile the package for me but I was wondering if
there is a standard way (i.e., not modifying debian/rules but changing
a config file for apt-get) to pass optimizations for i586 processors?
I indeed like to optimize e.g. computation intensive packages...

ChriS

Re: Who eats my buffers?! (kernel leaks memory?)

[Christian Hammers]

Hello

> Christian Hammers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> CH> I have a serious problem. One of the servers I administrate seems to 
> CH> have a buffer leak. free and vmstat show me that the buffer size
> CH> increases by some K every second leading to a 15M memory loss per hour.
> CH> I'm currently running a PII with 256M RAM and kernel 2.2.15
> CH> (latest).

Just for the ones who are curious. The "problem" was just that I didn't 
knew the exact definitions of buffer and cache.
"cache" is the cache for text segments of programs, e.g. /bin/ls would be 
very likely be in this cache.
"buffer" is the cache for IO drivers, here my IDE disk drivers store physical
blocks without caring what data is in there.

So both are caches. (I thought buffers are stack+heap segements of running
processes)

bye,

 -christian-

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Re: are there any good free 3d modeling tools?

[Felix Natter]

Chris Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hello,
> 
> I'm looking for good free (as in speech) 3d modeling tools.

there is also an open-source modeller (designed for games):
http://prettypoly.sourceforge.net

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Re: apt-get proxy config?

[Alex Titov]

Peter Firmstone wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I'm relatively new to debian and I'm having a little confusion setting
> up my /etc/apt/sources.list file for use behind a squid proxy-firewall.
> 
> I can't seem to get the format right!
> 
> I guessed that it may be:
> 
> deb http://squid.cqu.edu.au:3128/www.au.debian.org/debian stable main
> contrib non-US
> 
> however this doesn't appear right as the proxy server returns the error:
> 400 Bad Request
> 
> What am I doing wrong?

I believe apt knows about http_proxy and ftp_proxy environment
variables, so try to define them both as http://squid.cqu.edu:3128/

In case of bash:

bash$ export http_proxy="http://squid.cqu.edu:3128/";
bash$ export ftp_proxy="http://squid.cqu.edu:3128/";

or, if in [t]csh:

$ setenv http_proxy http://squid.cqu.edu:3128/
$ setenv ftp_proxy http://squid.cqu.edu:3128/

Best regards.

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Re: Stuck...

[Lehel Bernadt]

On 21-May-2000 w trillich wrote:
> Martin Bialasinski wrote:
>> 
>> * "w" == w trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> 
>> >> BTW: ESC + 0 ^= F10
>> 
>> w> hi, newbie mode here, how do you learn of those keystroke
>> w> equivalences?
>> 
>> Hmm, somebody told me long time ago :-)
>> 
>> Maybe it is a VT100 thing or such.
> 
> none of the vt100's i got my feet wet on had any such
> keystrokes...
> 
> my keymap on my telnet client is all screwy. keypad clear,=,/,*
> act as f1,f2,f3,f4, among other oddness... i'd be able to get
> a lot farther if i knew the cheat codes like esc-9 for f9...
> 
> like alt-f2 to get to console 2. where's that documented?
> (not 'mentioned' but 'documented'. big difference.) anyone?
> 

The ESC+number=function key mapping is documented in the mc faq:
-
   If all else fails you can emulate function keys by first pressing the
   ESC key and then one of the number keys. For example, if you want to 
   produce F9, press ESC, then 9. If you don't have a ESC key on your   
   keyboard you can try alt-9 or meta-9.
-
Mappings are done in the terminfo databases. You can disassemble them
with infocmp. For explanation of the terminal capabilities, see the
terminfo(5) man page. You can modifiy the disassembled one to suit your
needs,and recompile it using tic.

Re: exim mail routing...

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have 
> as my new mail program.
> 
RTFM! ;-)
look at this 800 kb file and search for smarthost. there is a complete
config example.

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exim mail routing...

[Gregory Guthrie]

I used to have sendmail used as my MTA, and had it setup to use an upstream 
smartmailer, i.e. all non-local mail went there.


Can I get a quick-hint how to do this with exim, which I now seem to have 
as my new mail program.


Thanks,
Gregory


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Re: Where (& what) is rman?

[Jo Hoffmann]

> Dear friends,
> 
> My valiant attempt as a green user to obtain and insall KDE for slink has 
> hit a snag. dselect shows thatrman is nt available and is needed for
> kdebase. 
> 
> Why would it not be available?
> 
> Where can I get it?

It is either in contrib or non-free (can't remember).
You definitely get it on a debian ftp site.

Jo

Re: libfltk-dev: which "config.h"

[Frank Barknecht]

Frank Barknecht hat gesagt: // Frank Barknecht wrote:

> Johann Spies hat gesagt: // Johann Spies wrote:
> 
> > I am trying to compile the programs in /usr/share/doc/libfltk1/examples/.
> > 
> > After copying the files to /tmp and gunzipping the .gz files I get the 
> > following error when I run "make":
> > 
> > c++ -I.. -g  -fPIC -Wall -Wno-return-type   -I/usr/X11R6/include 
> > CubeMain.cxx -cCubeMain.cxx:26: config.h: No such file or directory
> I tested this here and I found, that you do not need any config.h at
> all. 

OK, further investigation: There indeed is a config.h file that gets build
if you compile libfltk from the source. The debian packages do include this
config.h, I think this is a bug and I will file as one it if nobody has done
this already. Anyway I attached the file but you will have to edit it, as I
use the GL stuff. 

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config.h.gz
Description: Binary data

Re: NIS+? Alternatives?

[Dan Melomedman]

On Wed, May 17, 2000 at 05:11:11AM -0500, Michael Janssen (CS/MATH stud.)  
generated a stream of 1s and 0s:
> 
> Some of you probably have seem me asking about this in #debian: 
> 
> I'm trying to setup NIS+ on Debian.. I have a number of machines which
> I would like to use NIS+ for authentication and also for autofs
> mapping..  Has anyone actually succeeded in using NIS+ with Debian? 
> 
> I've currently taken nis-utils.tar.gz from ftp.kernel.org and hacked
> into it a bit.   It's half-working.. it asks for the password twice on
> login, and autofs doesn't see the auto_master table on NIS+..
> 
> Also, if NIS+ is just plainly out of the question, are there any good
> alternatives to NIS+?  Keep in mind that it should provide security
> like NIS+ (column & row permissions), and work with sun and linux
> clients..  
> 
> Michael Janssen - Jamuraa
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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NSSwitch and LDAP are much better than NIS. Don't use NIS unless you
have to. Check out www.rage.net.

afterstep in slink

[Alberto Meroni]

Hello to everybody. I installed afterstep from slink but apparently update-menu
dies with the error message
cat: write error: Bad file descriptor
Update-menus[26727]: Script /etc/menu-methods//afterstep returned error status 
1Any hint ?

Second problem : my man system does not find manual pages in /usr/share/man
and my info pages in /usr/local/info. Why ? Yes I added /usr/share/man to
MANDATORY_MANPATH and run mandb -c.

Third: thank to everybody with maxima. Is there a tutorial on it somewhere?
Thank
Alberto Meroni

Re: apt-get, upgrade, /var/cache/apt/archives

[Daniel Martin]

Jason Gunthorpe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Fri, 19 May 2000, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> 
> > 1:) What is the best way to make apt-get use the /archives folder to
> > perform the upgrade and return the system to stage 2. above?
> 
> cp /archive/*.deb /var/cache/apt/archives/
> 

Specifically, apt stores all of the dependency and install-order
information in databases that only need to download the Potato
Packages.gz files to be rebuilt - if you do this, then do your update
and dist-upgrade, apt shouldn't have to download packages again
(except that some of the packages will have changed since you last got 
them).

What this will not restore is any changes you made in which packages
were selected.  This information is stored elsewhere.

apt-get proxy config?

[Peter Firmstone]

Hi,

I'm relatively new to debian and I'm having a little confusion setting
up my /etc/apt/sources.list file for use behind a squid proxy-firewall.

I can't seem to get the format right!

I guessed that it may be:

deb http://squid.cqu.edu.au:3128/www.au.debian.org/debian stable main
contrib non-US

however this doesn't appear right as the proxy server returns the error:
400 Bad Request

What am I doing wrong?

Thanks in Advance,

Peter Firmstone.

'chat -v' but no readout

[ktb]

I'm trying to determine my connection speed.  I've read in the archives
that 'chat' must have the '-v' option in order to view the speed with
'plog' or in '/var/log/messages.'  I notice in '/etc/ppp/peers/provider'
that 'chat' is passed the '-v' option but I don't see the connection
speed when I look in '/var/log/messages.'   Why is that?  How can I get
the report?

My /etc/ppp/peers/provider --

noauth #pppconfig_noauth
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider" 
#pppconfig_connect
debug  #pppconfig_debug 
/dev/ttyS0   #pppconfig_dev
115200  #pppconfig_speed
defaultroute #pppconfig_route
noipdefault #pppconfig_ipdefault
user xyf  #pppconfig_user

>From /var/log/messages --

May 21 07:44:08 fire pppd[11529]: Serial connection established.
May 21 07:44:09 fire pppd[11529]: Using interface ppp0
May 21 07:44:09 fire pppd[11529]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS0
May 21 07:44:12 fire pppd[11529]: Remote message: Login Succeeded


Thanks,
kent

Re: network setup script ??

[Ron Rademaker]

I don't know if you can do network setup again, but I can tell you what
you'll have to do to get the network working.

1. Make sure the nerwork card is recognised and the drivers are installed
(duh!).
2. Get the eth0 interface 'up' using ifconfig ( command = 
ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask ${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST} ). Check
the files /etc/init.d/networking and /etc/network/interfaces.
3. Add a route: route add -net ${NETWORK}ifconfig eth0 ${IPADDR} netmask 
${NETMASK} broadcast ${BROADCAST}
route add -net ${NETWORK}
4. If you need DNS should add your DNS server to /etc/resolv.conf

It should work when you've done this :)

Ron Rademaker

On Sun, 21 May 2000, John Leget wrote:

> Hi all.
> 
> I just installed woody :) on my brother in laws pc , he was keen to poke
> around. He had allready got hold of an older mandrake pack but it had
> developed some problems. And since
> potato is still cooking... ( and i dont have a local copy- i keep a
> copy of woody myself though on a HDD in a removable cady ).
> 
> I installed using the potato boot floppies on a cd, unfortunately i got
> some files mixed up. And it skipped the network setup part. I didnt
> worry at the time.
> 
> But now id like to set his networking up, what script do i run ??. Is it
> on the system or only on the install floppies.
> I dont know enough about the network setup to do it from the ground up,
> i can fix it :) when its there ( ussually ).
> 
> Ill keep digging anyway ..
> 
> thanx
> 
> 
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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Thanks, I was just waiting for this to disconnect my winbox and try to fix
debian. I will give it a try.

Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:

> > > > installation (kernel 2.2.15something) there were no problems. But after
> > > > all this apt-getting-installing I rebooted, thinking it might fix the
> > > > mouse problem in Xwindow, and while loading the same kernel from floppy
> > > > went bananas with NFS, sending signals without response (I don't have
> > > > any network, it is only one PC);
> > > uninstall everything which has to do with nfs.
> > >
> >
> > Can you be somehow more explicit?
> >
> start dselect, search (type /, \ for further matches) for nfs and 
> these packages. then [r]emove the unwanted software.
>
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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> > > installation (kernel 2.2.15something) there were no problems. But after
> > > all this apt-getting-installing I rebooted, thinking it might fix the
> > > mouse problem in Xwindow, and while loading the same kernel from floppy
> > > went bananas with NFS, sending signals without response (I don't have
> > > any network, it is only one PC);
> > uninstall everything which has to do with nfs.
> >
> 
> Can you be somehow more explicit?
> 
start dselect, search (type /, \ for further matches) for nfs and 
these packages. then [r]emove the unwanted software.

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RE: Stuck...

[Chris Mason]

I tried puTTY and absolutely hated the default settings. I am using
SecureCRT, wonderful program.

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-Original Message-
From: Oswald Buddenhagen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, May 21, 2000 5:39 AM
To: Sven Burgener
Cc: John Bagdanoff; Debian User List
Subject: Re: Stuck...


> >Yet another reason to move to ssh.  Using puTTY on a windows
> >box, brings up an xterm like window, and it's like being
> >right in front of your linux box.
>
> What about TeraTerm [Pro] with the SSH extension? How good do you think
> that is? I think it's also free, innit?
>
it works. but putty is better (better keyboard support in my opinion).

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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Steve Lamb]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 06:29:01PM -0500, w trillich wrote:
>   "apropos"? okay, i'll try that...

man -k is easier to type.  :P

> CONCLUSION:
 
> there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, 

Of course not.  Correct me if I'm wrong but apt didn't really come into
its own as the standard package tool until potato.
 
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Re: Missing header file conio.h

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 04:36:41 -0700, Eric G . Miller wrote:
> The semi-equivalent system under Unix would be [n]curses.  There's
> probably little chance of getting that program to run under Linux without
> some serious rewriting on your part.

Well, there is a reasonable chance it will compile with the help of
http://www.inf.fu-berlin.de/~fland/fractor/linux-conio-1.02.tgz
which is a wrapper around ncurses.

Ray
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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Antonio Rodriguez]

Oswald Buddenhagen wrote:
> 2. After rebooting the first time with the boot disk created in fresh

> > installation (kernel 2.2.15something) there were no problems. But after
> > all this apt-getting-installing I rebooted, thinking it might fix the
> > mouse problem in Xwindow, and while loading the same kernel from floppy
> > went bananas with NFS, sending signals without response (I don't have
> > any network, it is only one PC);
> uninstall everything which has to do with nfs.
>

Can you be somehow more explicit? I have no idea what programs could be
involved. I basically had selected the "complex" option offered by the dselect
script. Thanks for the other indications, I will try it in a while. I have to
send this from the windows system, and both are in the same box.
Thanks again, Antonio.

Re: [Debian]:Browser ala lynx

[Stefan Lommel]

Hallo Liste,

> Bei mir läuft E-mail usw. per Kommmandozeile nur für das Surfen im Netz
> muß ich X starten für Netscape.
> Gab es da nicht mal einen Referenzbrowser ?


Probier mal Amaya der W3C
unter http://www.w3.org/Amaya/

ru sl

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Re: network setup script ??

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> But now id like to set his networking up, what script do i run ??. Is it
> on the system or only on the install floppies.
> I dont know enough about the network setup to do it from the ground up,
> i can fix it :) when its there ( ussually ).
> 
i don't know, where the initial setup script is.
try "dpkg --configure netbase". if it is really not configured, then this
could work.
otherwise try "man interfaces". this is a point to start from, if you want to
configure it by hand.

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Re: Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> 1. Mouse (/dev/psaux, ps2 with wheel) doesn't work after setting it up
> through xf86config; it had always worked before. Mouse works in console,
> detected by gpm with correct settings.
so i post it again ... from /etc/X11/XF86Config:

Section "Pointer"
Protocol"IMPS/2"
Device  "/dev/psaux"
#Device  "/dev/gpmdata"
Buttons 5
ZAxisMapping4 5
EndSection

(use /dev/gpmdata, if you set gpm into repeater mode (with -Rraw).)

if your x-server isn't broken, this should work.

> 2. After rebooting the first time with the boot disk created in fresh
> installation (kernel 2.2.15something) there were no problems. But after
> all this apt-getting-installing I rebooted, thinking it might fix the
> mouse problem in Xwindow, and while loading the same kernel from floppy
> went bananas with NFS, sending signals without response (I don't have
> any network, it is only one PC);
uninstall everything which has to do with nfs.

> 3. By the way, another problem. Don't know if it is a bug, if so, please
> someone forward to appropiate place or tell me how to do it, I will:
> While installing after the first deselected +apt-get(ed) selection, at
> some point (towards the end) a question came on the screen: Want to
> remove packages from /cache/archives? I intended to answer NO, since I
> plan to build my own local mirror, but it didn't wait. Just wiped them
> off.
only a guess: did you press  at some point before when no prompt
was there? keystrokes are buffered.

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Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Ron Rademaker]

That's why I said to point to it during installation!

Ron Rademaker

On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote:

> seems like an uphill battle, eh?
> 
> Ron Rademaker wrote:
> > 
> > Try: pt-get install pine
> > 
> > It'll give youenough information to get a bit further
> > 
> > Ron Rademaker
> > 
> > PS. Damn when is someone going to read apt-ge's FM!!, perhaps we'll just
> > have to put a few pages with apt-get info during install on the users
> > screen, the amount of question that has to do with it are (mostly,
> > exceptly for some) just TOO EASY!!!
> 
> would you know to read the manpage for 'gribnif' because that
> was just the precise command you needed to clavis your frob
> into the frammistat? not unless something pointed you there!
> 
> if you're looking for a way to mark up text and generate html
> from there, you'd start with your function:
>   apropos markup
> and voila, you'd know to try
>   man wml*
> to learn more.
> 
> for apt, there's no way for a newbie TO KNOW TO LOOK FOR IT.
> here's the newbie perspective, if you've forgotten:
> 
> 
> 
>   hum de da dum...
> 
>   i'd like to upgrade my debian system to a more up-to-date
>   version. i've learned about the "man" command, but i can't
>   find the exact command to use for my task.
> 
>   "apropos"? okay, i'll try that...
> 
> > apropos upgrade
> pg_upgrade (1)   - allows upgrade from a previous release without
> reloading data
> upgrade-windowmaker-defaults (8) - No manpage for this program,
> utility or function.
> wmu (1)  - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
> wmu (1)  - Website META Language Upgrade Utility
> 
>   hmm. that pg_upgrade seems like it's for some database only.
>   try again.
> 
> > apropos debian | sort
> Debian::Debconf::Client::ConfModule (3pm) - client module for ConfModules
> DebianNet (3pm)  - create, remove, enable or disable entry in 
> /etc/inetd.conf
> DebianNet (3pm)  - create, remove, enable or disable entry in 
> /etc/inetd.conf
> confmodule (3)   - communicate with Debian configuration system FrontEnd.
> deb (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> deb-control (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-control (5)  - Debian GNU/Linux packages' master control file format
> deb-old (5)  - old style Debian GNU/Linux binary package format
> dh_builddeb (1)  - build debian packages
> dh_du (1)- generate DEBIAN/du file (deprecated)
> dh_installdeb (1)- install files into the DEBIAN directory
> dh_installmenu (1)   - install debian menu files into package build 
> directories
> dh_md5sums (1)   - generate DEBIAN/md5sums file
> dh_movefiles (1) - move files out of debian/tmp into subpackages
> dh_testdir (1)   - test directory before building debian package
> 
>   dang! how many manpages do i have to wade through to find
>   if what i want is in here?
> 
>   okay, i'll be a good newbie and keep looking, but i can't spend my
>   whole life looking at manpages for commands i don't want or
>   understand...
> 
> dhelp (1)- Debian online help
> dhelp_parse (8)  - Debian online help parser
> diald-deb (7)- diald information for Debian/GNU Linux
> dpkg (8) - a medium-level package manager for Debian GNU/Linux
> dpkg-buildpackage (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-deb (1) - Debian package archive (.deb) manipulation tool
> dpkg-distaddfile (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-genchanges (1)  - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-gencontrol (1)  - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-name (1)- rename Debian packages to full package names
> dpkg-parsechangelog (1) - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-shlibdeps (1)   - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-source (1)  - Debian source package tools
> dpkg-split (8)   - Debian package archive split/join tool
> dselect (8)  - console Debian package handling frontend
> install-docs (8) - manage online Debian documentation
> isdnconfig (8)   - configure the Debian isdnutils package
> menufile (5) - entry in the Debian menu system
> sambaconfig (8)  - configure Samba for Debian systems
> update-menus (1) - generate Debian menu system
> 
>   package manager? i want to upgrade, but maybe what i'm
>   upgrading is a package (if you think any average newbie
>   will think like this, keep dreaming).
> 
>   aha (says the newbie) i use 'dpkg-*' to install and update
>   things on debian...
> 
> 
> 
> CONCLUSION:
> 
> there are #NO# pointers from a standard cd-install of slink, 
> from what i can tell, that would direct any newbie to try to
> use "apt-*" for anything. the only pointers a newbie will get
> is someone on this list saying 'use apt-get'!
> 
> (when i first installed slink from cd, i selected the
> server/extended task, and went back to add a bunch of xwindow

Where (& what) is rman?

[J. Hartzelbuck]

Dear friends,

My valiant attempt as a green user to obtain and insall KDE for slink has 
hit a snag. dselect shows thatrman is nt available and is needed for
kdebase. 

Why would it not be available?

Where can I get it?

Thanks very much.

-- Chris

Mouse doesn't work in Xwindow, NFS, bug(3.)???

[Antonio Rodriguez]

A fresh installation using the boot floppies in frozen directory
(ftp.debian...), dselect + apt-get used to continue installation.
Problems:
1. Mouse (/dev/psaux, ps2 with wheel) doesn't work after setting it up
through xf86config; it had always worked before. Mouse works in console,
detected by gpm with correct settings. Guessing: Since I had installed
imwheel, I thought it could have messed up the settings, removed
"imwheel", but still doesn't work. Don't know what to do.
2. After rebooting the first time with the boot disk created in fresh
installation (kernel 2.2.15something) there were no problems. But after
all this apt-getting-installing I rebooted, thinking it might fix the
mouse problem in Xwindow, and while loading the same kernel from floppy
went bananas with NFS, sending signals without response (I don't have
any network, it is only one PC); after a while it decided to stop and
continued loading, mouse still didn't work. Everything else seems nice
in Xwindows so far.
3. By the way, another problem. Don't know if it is a bug, if so, please
someone forward to appropiate place or tell me how to do it, I will:
While installing after the first deselected +apt-get(ed) selection, at
some point (towards the end) a question came on the screen: Want to
remove packages from /cache/archives? I intended to answer NO, since I
plan to build my own local mirror, but it didn't wait. Just wiped them
off.

Any help or ideas will be greatly appreciated. Thanks,
Antonio.

Re: Debian vs Red Hat??? I need info.

[Josip Rodin]

On Sat, May 20, 2000 at 07:37:59PM -0800, Ethan Benson wrote:
> > Apt uses a mixed approach: it uses the same textfiles as dpkg but
> > uses a binary cache to also get the advantages of a binary database.
> 
> it does?  where?

See /var/cache/apt/*.bin files.

An example why is that good is the speed of `apt-cache show foo' compared to
non-speed of `dpkg -p foo'. (of course, there are faster things to browse
the textual database, they just aren't in dpkg itself)

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Re: Stuck...

[Oswald Buddenhagen]

> >Yet another reason to move to ssh.  Using puTTY on a windows
> >box, brings up an xterm like window, and it's like being
> >right in front of your linux box.
> 
> What about TeraTerm [Pro] with the SSH extension? How good do you think
> that is? I think it's also free, innit?
> 
it works. but putty is better (better keyboard support in my opinion).

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--
If Windows is the answer, I want the problems back!

Re: Stuck...

[w trillich]

Martin Bialasinski wrote:
> 
> * "w" == w trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> >> BTW: ESC + 0 ^= F10
> 
> w> hi, newbie mode here, how do you learn of those keystroke
> w> equivalences?
> 
> Hmm, somebody told me long time ago :-)
> 
> Maybe it is a VT100 thing or such.

none of the vt100's i got my feet wet on had any such
keystrokes...

my keymap on my telnet client is all screwy. keypad clear,=,/,*
act as f1,f2,f3,f4, among other oddness... i'd be able to get
a lot farther if i knew the cheat codes like esc-9 for f9...

like alt-f2 to get to console 2. where's that documented?
(not 'mentioned' but 'documented'. big difference.) anyone?

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Re: Stuck...

[Sven Burgener]

>Yet another reason to move to ssh.  Using puTTY on a windows
>box, brings up an xterm like window, and it's like being
>right in front of your linux box.

What about TeraTerm [Pro] with the SSH extension? How good do you think
that is? I think it's also free, innit?

Sven

Re: Stuck...

[Martin Bialasinski]

* "w" == w trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>> BTW: ESC + 0 ^= F10

w> hi, newbie mode here, how do you learn of those keystroke
w> equivalences?

Hmm, somebody told me long time ago :-)

Maybe it is a VT100 thing or such.

Ciao,
Martin

network setup script ??

[John Leget]

Hi all.

I just installed woody :) on my brother in laws pc , he was keen to poke
around. He had allready got hold of an older mandrake pack but it had
developed some problems. And since
potato is still cooking... ( and i dont have a local copy- i keep a
copy of woody myself though on a HDD in a removable cady ).

I installed using the potato boot floppies on a cd, unfortunately i got
some files mixed up. And it skipped the network setup part. I didnt
worry at the time.

But now id like to set his networking up, what script do i run ??. Is it
on the system or only on the install floppies.
I dont know enough about the network setup to do it from the ground up,
i can fix it :) when its there ( ussually ).

Ill keep digging anyway ..

thanx

Re: Stuck... -->mc!!

[Martin Albert]

> Le sam, 20 mai 2000, Alain Reinhardt a écrit :
> 
> I always also suggest to try 'mc' (assuming MidNight Commander is installed)
> because it is always a good feeling for a new user to go as far as a file
> manager of some sort -in this case a very good one.  Nothing means more when
> you begin than knowing you have something like a copy, edit, delete control
> over the beast. ! And If you go that far, please use the 'see' command of MC 
> to
> look at files in /etc.  You will immediatly feel you have just successfully
> made a first step in the new world of freedom. Good luck  !

Mais oui, monsieur, d'accord! I second this - i'ld say so:
I always suggest to have 'mc' (MidNight Commander) installed, because
it is always a good feeling!
I wouldn't want to live without it. People always get crazy, when
they're having trouble with their X-Windows-98 and the first thing that
i do is to pull the nc or mc disk out of my pocket ...

Happy computing! martin

Re: init - autostarts

[Martin Albert]

On Sat, 20 May 2000, w trillich wrote:
> Dominic> all that "starting syslogd", "starting inetd" etc
> Dominic> when you're booting, it's controlled by init, right?
> Dominic> how do i tell it not to start the things I'd rather
> Dominic> not be running?

Mostly you will want to have syslogd, initd ... running.
syslogd does the logging for you, inetd starts not so often used
daemons.
The scripts can be found in /etc/init.d, links to them for each
runlevel are in /etc/rc[S1-6].d.
Read about 'sysvinit' and turn Snn scripts to Knn scripts to adjust
your runlevel setup.

> if you're wondering about things like scsi-initialization
> and isdn setup, then i say "me too". they seem to happen BEFORE
> the /etc/init.d/* scripts get called from /etc/rc*.d/S* . . .
> how about it? where can we turn off scsi probing or isdn scans?

Build a kernel without those devices / modules.

greetings, martin