Re: [Q] what do these portmap log entries mean?

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Thanks for the quick reply!

"Jonathan D. Proulx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Your example shows local IP addresses for the refused hosts, if this
> is the case it is possibly just network noise.
> 
> Paranoid rant follows:
> 
> The (unfortunately) more likely case is that you are being scanned for
> the latest statd vulnerability.  If you have the latest nfs-common
> package you are safe (you should also have a kernel version of 2.2.16
> minimum).  I lost 50+ machines to this about a week ago (they were all
> shutdown before mr. skriptkiddie came back, but the break-in went
> through 6 class c subnets in about 3min setting up back doors)

I don't have NFS packages installed, running 2.2.17 generic kernel.  I
installed potato afresh right after it became stable from a local
mirror and made sure all md5sums were OK (before installing from a
freshly downloaded Packages file).  Haven't installed much: base
tarball, tob/afio/cron/exim, samba and apache.  Even purged telnet,
ftp, ppp, pppconfig, pump and pcmcia-cs.

> My particular instance setup root shells listening on port 199,
> entered in /etc/inetd.conf so you might want to look there and see if
> there's a suspicious "smux" line.  This is what was done once they got
> root, not the vulnerability, so lack of this line may simply indicate
> a different use of it.

No smux in there.

> If you have a new kernel an nfs-common Version: 1:0.1.9.1-1, no
> worries, you can just laugh the scan off (if that's what it was)
> 
> 
> On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 12:49:13PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
> :Dear all,
> :
> :I've been seeing entries like below in my logs for a while.
> :
> :  Aug 24 12:38:01 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
> callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
> :  Aug 24 12:38:04 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
> callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
> :
> :and
> :
> :  Aug 24 12:43:34 bilbo portmap[27659]: connect from 172.16.a.b to 
> getport(300598): request from unauthorized host
> :
> :I've implemented a default deny-all policy in /etc/hosts.deny with
> :
> :  ALL : ALL
> :
> :My /etc/hosts.allow effectively reads
> :
> :  nmbd smbd : 172.16.
> :
> :>From the log messages I assume that the portmap connect attempts fail
> :(as per policy), but what do these connect attempts mean?  Is someone
> :trying to crack my server or something?  I did challenge our network
> :admin ...

-- 
Olaf Meeuwissen   Epson Kowa Corporation, Research and Development

RE: You are a Linux Guru!

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2000, CHEONG, Shu Yang [Patrick] wrote:

> I beg to difer...but then again, it's only my opinion based on my
> experiencesmaybe someone else may have differing viewshey it only
> makes us humans!
> 

Take for example RAID support which is what tripped me up in this
case.  It's rather complicated to set up Debian for RAID (and this
something practically any decent server will need.)  In Mandrake it's all
graphical and point-and-click.  I would really love to see something like
this in Debian.

Of the Debian-based distributions, Storm Linux has a very nice
installer.  However the one in the "Rain" release did not work well with
SCSI devices at all.  I hope this is fixed in "hail".

Don't get me wrong, the Debian installer is very powerful and easy to use
for me.  I've done countless installs with it.  But it's not state of the
art.  We should try and be careful to avoid the "Not invented here"
syndrome and learn from wherever and whomever we can.

-- 
Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?

[Ron Farrer]

Bob Bernstein ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:01:27PM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote:
> 
> > cheapbytes is cheap shit
> 
> Let me plug my favorite vendor of Debian CD's, Linux System Labs:
> 
> http://www.lsl.com
> 
> They have CDR's now of 2.2. In the past I have never had a problem with
> their stuff, CDR or CD, and that's going back to bo or hamm (which was
> first? - I forget!)

I had a opposite reaction to lsl. Back when ham was stable and slink was
just about ready, I ordered the full ham set (2 CD's I think) and 4
slink CD's (for Alpha and i386). What they sent was: 4 corrupt CDR's of
slink and instead of ham CD's I got 2 more blank slink CDR's... I
emailed them and about 2 months later they sent me 8 working slink CD's
- 4 i386 binary CD's, 2 contrib CDR's, and 2 source CD's. I never got
the Alpha or ham CD's. I started using cheapbytes after that and haven't
had any problems (yet). As someone else pointed out: it is best to wait
until you can get real CD's instead of CDR's. 


JMHO && YMMV,

Ron
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Re: Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?

[Chris Peterson]

Yes, I apparently have the same problem. I bought Debian 2.2 CD-Rs from
Cheapbytes and Setup complains about missing rescue floppies. blah... I
guess that's $$ down the drain.

chris


- Original Message -
From: "Eric Hanchrow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: ; 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 8:53 PM
Subject: Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?


> I just received my Debian 2.2 CDs from Cheapbytes -- 3 binary
> CD-ROMS.  I could not boot off the first one (the installation program
> complained that it couldn't mount the rescue image).
>
> I decided to run `md5sum' on each file on the CD-ROM, and compare its
> output with the file /cdrom/md5sum.txt.  I was surprised to find that
> they differed.  Here's how I did it:
>
> (cd /cdrom; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum)
>
> Here's one file whose sum isn't what the md5sum file says it should be
> (there are many other such files):
>
> 7eea9e34469920cf5b3de06e527186bb
./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
> dc8e866f3a26cfa8a38f15d328519c92
./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
>
> Some of the files seem to be random data; one file whose name ends in
> `.tgz' is actually text.
>
> Has anyone else had this problem?
>
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Re: Problem installing Debian 2.2 from CD

[Chris Peterson]

After reading some email from today's debian-user digest, I think I found my
problem. I am using CD-Rs from Cheapbytes and other people are complaining
of exactly the same "missing rescue floppy" problem during setup.

chris


- Original Message -
From: "Chris Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 9:40 PM
Subject: Problem installing Debian 2.2 from CD


> I'm having trouble installing Debian 2.2 on a i386 with an IDE CD-ROM. I'm
> installing from the CD, but Setup complains that it can't find the rescue
> floppy.
>
> I boot from the CD and start Setup without problem. I can partition my HD
> without problem. The problems begin during the "Install Operating System
> Kernel and Modules'' step. I choose to install from the CD-ROM and Setup
> asks me for the path to the "Debian archive". The default is /instmnt,
where
> Setup automatically mounted the CD. I verified that the CD is correctly
> mounted from another virtual console while Setup is running. Setup asks me
> for the path to the images-1.44/rescue.bin. I choose the default, which
> seems to find the file at
> /instmnt/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/rescue.bin. Then
> Setup pops up an error message saying that it is unable to mount the
rescue
> floppy. At this point, Setup is hosed. I cannot continue because Setup
> insists on finding a rescue floppy that does not exist.
>
> Why is Setup trying to find a rescue floppy on /dev/fd0 when I told it to
> install from the mounted CD-ROM? How can I get around this broken Setup
step
> and install the operating system and kernel modules?
>
> thanks for your help!
> chris
>
>

Re: old versions

[Dan Brosemer]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 04:52:14AM -0400, Gregg C wrote:
> Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
> reinstall it before attempting a removal.

About 7-8 months ago, I was getting similar problems doing some upgrades
with Potato.  I haven't seen the problem since.  My "solution" isn't for the
faint of heart but you may find it useful.

What I did was hand-edit the /var/lib/dpkg/status file (now everyone's going
to scream at me) to change the status of the package to 'purge ok
not-installed', then I hand-ran the prerm script (in
/var/lib/dpkg/info/.prerm) then deleted all the files that the
package installed: 'cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/.list|xargs rm -f', 'cat
/var/lib/dpkg/info/.list|xargs rmdir' and ran the postrm script
(I'm sure you can guess where to find it by now).

Then I installed the package again... no problems.

I never investigated _why_ I was getting these errors, but they have not
plagued me since.

I make no guarantees about the solution above except that I guarantee that
it's a bad solution that worked for me a few times.  It may not work for
you, and I'm not responsible if you accidentally delete your whole
filesystem with it.  (putting a -r in the rm statement will do just that).

Hope this helps, and hope you don't have to resort to this.
-Dan

-- 
"... the most serious problems in the Internet have been caused by 
unenvisaged mechanisms triggered by low-probability events; mere human 
malice would never have taken so devious a course!" - RFC 1122 section 1.2.2



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Problem installing Debian 2.2 from CD

[Chris Peterson]

I'm having trouble installing Debian 2.2 on a i386 with an IDE CD-ROM. I'm
installing from the CD, but Setup complains that it can't find the rescue
floppy.

I boot from the CD and start Setup without problem. I can partition my HD
without problem. The problems begin during the "Install Operating System
Kernel and Modules'' step. I choose to install from the CD-ROM and Setup
asks me for the path to the "Debian archive". The default is /instmnt, where
Setup automatically mounted the CD. I verified that the CD is correctly
mounted from another virtual console while Setup is running. Setup asks me
for the path to the images-1.44/rescue.bin. I choose the default, which
seems to find the file at
/instmnt/dists/potato/main/disks-i386/current/images-1.44/rescue.bin. Then
Setup pops up an error message saying that it is unable to mount the rescue
floppy. At this point, Setup is hosed. I cannot continue because Setup
insists on finding a rescue floppy that does not exist.

Why is Setup trying to find a rescue floppy on /dev/fd0 when I told it to
install from the mounted CD-ROM? How can I get around this broken Setup step
and install the operating system and kernel modules?

thanks for your help!
chris

Code Page 437

[J.P. Larocque]

Hello,

I'm trying to set up Falken, a BBS program for Linux.  It excessively uses
"ANSI graphics," in other words, ASCII text graphics done with characters from
the Code Page 437 character set, with ANSI coloring.  CP-437 is the same
character set DOS uses and sometimes known as the IBM PC character set.

My problem is Linux seems to use the Latin-1 character set, both on the
console, and in xterms.  Therefore ANSI graphics look corrupted, in both
Falken, as well as viewing ANSI files (*.ans) and calling dial-up BBSs that
make use of CP-437 (as most do) from minicom.  How can I either start an xterm
with the CP-437 character set, or set the console font for CP-437?

As for console fonts, I can't find anything suitable in
/usr/share/consolefonts/.  Could anyone suggest a place to download CP-437
console fonts?

As for xterms, I know about the '-fn' option, but I don't know how to find
what fonts I have available in X.  As I'm sure you all can tell, I don't know
much about X.  =)  I would certainly prefer finding a way to use CP-437 in
an xterm than in the console, as I mostly use X.

DOSEMU's 'xdos' uses the correct font but I don't know if the font is part of
X--and therefore accessible to xterm--or proprietary to xdos.

I should note that I still use slink.  It's hard to upgrade when your Internet
connection is a 14.4kbps modem.

Thanks a lot in advance to anyone who can reply with information.

-- 
 J.P. Larocque, known online as piranha
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron

[Mike Werner]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:37:05PM -0400, Mike Werner wrote:
> > Brent Harding wrote:
> > > How would cron do something such as, emailing a file once and awhile, 
> > > make
> > > the file empty, and wait until the next run, but not mail anything if it's
> > > empty. I've never done much with emailing besides piping echo to mail, but
> > > it's limited to one line.
> > 
> > What I would do is put all of the work into a shell script, and have cron
> > call the shell script.  Just off the top of my head, something like:
> > 
> > #!/bin/sh
> > if [ -s /path/to/file ]
> >   mail -s Here's_the_file [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /path/to/file
> >   rm -f /path/to/file
> >   touch /path/to/file
> > fi
> 
> Mike:  how are you planning on authenticating that the user actually
> created the file, that its permissions don't allow modification by
> others, and that there is nothing in the file which might cause a
> cron-initiated adduser script to crash, fail, overflow, or otherwise do
> Bad Things®?

Well, if you look at Brent's question, none of this is asked.  All I
answered was what he asked.  If he's worried about such things, then he can
ask about them and I'll see what I can come up with.  Until then, I won't
worry about it.  Besides, like I said numerous times in my reply, "I'm sure
that there are better ways to do it".  I said that numerous times
intentionally.
-- 
Mike Werner  KA8YSD   | He that is slow to believe anything and
  | everything is of great understanding,
'91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the
Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom.

Re: [Q] what do these portmap log entries mean?

[Nate Amsden]

Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
>   Aug 24 12:38:01 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
> callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
>   Aug 24 12:38:04 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
> callit(390109): request from unauthorized host

looks suspicious..


>   Aug 24 12:43:34 bilbo portmap[27659]: connect from 172.16.a.b to 
> getport(300598): request from unauthorized host
> 
> I've implemented a default deny-all policy in /etc/hosts.deny with
> 
>   ALL : ALL

are you running portmap from inetd ? or anything that uses tcp_wrappers?
every configuration i've seen this is not the case, so hosts.deny
hosts.allow don't do anything in terms of protecting portmapper.

> 
> My /etc/hosts.allow effectively reads
> 
>   nmbd smbd : 172.16.
ok..also is nmbd and smbd launched from inetd ? usually they are
launched as daemons if this is the case hosts.allow would have no impact
on them.


> >From the log messages I assume that the portmap connect attempts fail
> (as per policy), but what do these connect attempts mean?  Is someone
> trying to crack my server or something?  I did challenge our network
> admin ...

it is possible, when portmapper or any rpc services are concerned i am
paranoid about them(got cracked by them once 2 years ago), i always
completely turn them off(yes that means not being able to have quotas)
OR at least firewall them completely so nobody on the outside can access
them. If you are concerned about people breaking into your system I
highly reccomend installing nmap and port scanning yourself, portmapper
and rpc services don't have a pretty security history on linux. 

nate

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Re: Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?

[Bob Bernstein]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:01:27PM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote:

> cheapbytes is cheap shit

Let me plug my favorite vendor of Debian CD's, Linux System Labs:

http://www.lsl.com

They have CDR's now of 2.2. In the past I have never had a problem with
their stuff, CDR or CD, and that's going back to bo or hamm (which was
first? - I forget!)

They answer the phone too.

-- 
Bob Bernstein
at  OpenBSD  *** 2.7 ***
Esmond, R.I., USA

Re: unapproved query <-- dns/named8 after power-failure

[Nate Amsden]

Will Trillich wrote:

> restricting queries is kinda goofy for an internet nameserver, huh?

yes it can be :)

> thanks for your response. good thing my isp is acting as secondary
> nameserver... your stuff is getting through, and visitors are finding
> my websites...

my stuff wouldn't of gotten through until you fixed it..seems the
secondary NS wouldn't give out the MX record either, not sure why. I
looked into it and it seems that your secondary NS
OVCWEB1.SPEEDEX.NET, is not giving authoritative responses for your
domain.  That could be why it didn't work when your NS was (effectivly)
down. Sounds like a configuration issue on your isp's end. Now I'm not a
DNS expert i can only compare responses between your servers and mine,
both my primary and secondary NS give authoritative responses for
domains hosted by me(but non authoritative responses for domains not
hosted by me) whereas your primary NS gives authoritative for your
domain(serensoft.com) but the secondary does not. I checked this using
'nslookup'.

> lookie what i found in my named.conf, which i'd pasted from some
> manpage/faq/howto i ran across eons ago, and i managed to
> uncomment the 'allow' part... but hadn't ever 'ndc restart'ed...

> allow-query { 192.168/16; 127.0.0.1; 208.33.90.85; };
> 
> i'm feeling much better, now.

Funny how rebooting/shutting down a unix box can cause problems like
this isn't it :)) I find it quite..ironic that such problems can arise.
a few weeks ago i upgraded one of my servers to 2.2.16(actually probably
more like a month or 2 ago), it was runnin fine for..25 days ..? then a
hdd overheated and the system crashed. the system would _NOT_ come back
up. a bug in 2.2.16 with raid caused the system to crash every time it
tried to come up.  And if that wasn't enough theplace where it is
co-located at was closed! it took 3 days to get to the #$(# box! and
another hour to trakc down the problem and downgrade the kernel. All
because of a reboot 


> > > named[338]: bad referral (com !< extreme-dm.com)
> > > named[338]: bad referral (net !< above.NET)
> > > named[364]: bad referral (AOL.com !< mx.aol.com)
> >
> > i haven't seen that before, not sure what it is..
> http://www.acmebw.com/askmrdns/bind-messages.htm
> i'd still like to know, if anyone has an idea.

I looked it up ..
http://www.acmebw.com/askmrdns/bind-messages.htm
bad referral (state.il.us !<  SOS.STATE.IL.US) 
CATEGORY: response-checks 
SEVERITY: info 
PAGE: 
FURTHER INFO: 

Indicates that while querying the SOS.STATE.IL.US name servers, your
name server was referred to the state.il.us name servers. Since a
referral should always point to name servers authoritative for
descendant zones, this is an error. The name server that sent the
referral is probably misconfigured, and not authoritative for the zone
delegated to it. 

So this could be tied to your ISP not giving authoritative responses for
your domain, and passing the request onto you(yes i am talking out of my
ass but it makes sense to me! :) )

> i've had the 172.* denials ever since getting my dns registered
> with internic, long before the 'allow-query' snag.

ask your ISP to fix your secondary NS. and see if the ping messages go
away..

> 
> so i should allow icmp? i think i'm using most of the defaults
> from the impasq.deb package...

in most cases yes you probably should, it doesn't matter though, usually
i don't log icmp stuff, the logs can get big(and aren't very useful
IMO).


> thanks, nate, for helping me see the moron in the mirror!

lol! sure

nate

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RE: Latop to Desktop ethernet

[CHEONG, Shu Yang \[Patrick\]]

Set both ip addesses to a private one...say 192.168.0.X and use a
cross-wired network cable and you shoudl be off...also make sure you have
ftp-server software running on the hostgood luck

Patrick Cheong
Information Systems Assurance
Measat Broadcast Network Systems
e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit us at: http://www.astro.com.my

> -Original Message-
> From: Marvin Stodolsky [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:52 AM
> To:   debian_user
> Subject:  Latop to Desktop ethernet
> 
> To just do simple FTP between my laptop and desktop without any other
> network, what are the appropriate script settings?
> PCMCIA ethernet cards are functional in each.
> Please copy to me as well as the LIST.
> 
> MarvS
> 
> 
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Re: [Q] what do these portmap log entries mean?

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

Your example shows local IP addresses for the refused hosts, if this
is the case it is possibly just network noise.

Paranoid rant follows:

The (unfortunately) more likely case is that you are being scanned for
the latest statd vulnerability.  If you have the latest nfs-common
package you are safe (you should also have a kernel version of 2.2.16
minimum).  I lost 50+ machines to this about a week ago (they were all
shutdown before mr. skriptkiddie came back, but the break-in went
through 6 class c subnets in about 3min setting up back doors)

My particular instance setup root shells listening on port 199,
entered in /etc/inetd.conf so you might want to look there and see if
there's a suspicious "smux" line.  This is what was done once they got
root, not the vulnerability, so lack of this line may simply indicate
a different use of it.

If you have a new kernel an nfs-common Version: 1:0.1.9.1-1, no
worries, you can just laugh the scan off (if that's what it was)


On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 12:49:13PM +0900, Olaf Meeuwissen wrote:
:Dear all,
:
:I've been seeing entries like below in my logs for a while.
:
:  Aug 24 12:38:01 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
:  Aug 24 12:38:04 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
:
:and
:
:  Aug 24 12:43:34 bilbo portmap[27659]: connect from 172.16.a.b to 
getport(300598): request from unauthorized host
:
:I've implemented a default deny-all policy in /etc/hosts.deny with
:
:  ALL : ALL
:
:My /etc/hosts.allow effectively reads
:
:  nmbd smbd : 172.16.
:
:>From the log messages I assume that the portmap connect attempts fail
:(as per policy), but what do these connect attempts mean?  Is someone
:trying to crack my server or something?  I did challenge our network
:admin ...
:-- 
:Olaf Meeuwissen   Epson Kowa Corporation, Research and Development
:
:
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RE: You are a Linux Guru!

[CHEONG, Shu Yang \[Patrick\]]

I beg to difer...but then again, it's only my opinion based on my
experiencesmaybe someone else may have differing viewshey it only
makes us humans!

Patrick Cheong
Information Systems Assurance
Measat Broadcast Network Systems
e-mail: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Visit us at: http://www.astro.com.my

> -Original Message-
> From: Jaldhar H. Vyas [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 11:43 AM
> To:   Morten Liebach
> Cc:   Debian GNU/Linux User
> Subject:  Re: You are a Linux Guru!
> 
> > YAY! I've allways wanted to be that when I grew up!
> > 
> > BTW Debian is about the same in ease of installation as RedHat, SuSE and
> > others, but it's so much easyer to understand, end therefore to admin,
> > that I prefer it.
> > 
> 
> I don't know.  I recently had the opportunity to install Debian on a
> server and  I went through hell.  And I _am_ a Linux Guru! :-)  Eventually
> I had to give up and put Mandrake 7.1 on there which installed
> with no problem whatsoever.  Their installer is the slickest I've ever
> seen, better than Windows even.
> 
> The good news is that we have some very capable people working on the
> boot-floppies.  I predict that it won't be long till we catch up and even
> overtake the other distributions.
> 
> But we're not there yet IMO.
> 
> -- 
> Jaldhar H. Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Debian packages..

[Ian Zimmerman]

> "Michael" == Michael Fox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Michael> Hi, Problem I am having is with packages. I have an old
Michael> machine that is still running Slink, and at this time I do
Michael> not wish to upgrade it.

Michael> With potato changing to stable, I have since modified my
Michael> sources.list to reflect the fact that stable is not what I
Michael> want, but rather slink

Michael> deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian slink main etc etc

Michael> I then do a apt-get update and to update my package lists.

Michael> This works somewhat fine, the problem happens when I wish to
Michael> install a package for slink,

Michael> apt-get install package

Michael> At this point it fails badly, because the stuff that I
Michael> downloaded with apt-get update, all the paths in this file
Michael> contain the path
Michael> blah/dists/stable/binary-i386-package/net/ntop-3-4.deb

Michael> Which means it will fail, as stable of course is now the
Michael> potato tree, shouldn't the package list files change to
Michael> reflect the codename of the release, rather then stable. As I
Michael> wouldn't be having this problem.

Michael> Can anyone tell me if the maintainers expect to update the
Michael> package lists files for slink, so that the paths are right,
Michael> as since potato is out, it FAILS big time.

Michael> Please email me anyone if you can help me out.

Me too :-(

I'm doing this just to make whoever replies post the reply to the
list, and not send to Michael alone.  There must be more of us in this
situation. 

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Re: Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?

[Nate Amsden]

Yes, i had a similar problem over a year ago with Slink(2.1) i got a 2
cd set and not only did they only send me 1 cd out of the 2, the 1 cd
they sent was useless, it was FULL of curropted archives.

cheapbytes is cheap shit, they will never get my business again(they
never returned calls or emails about my stuff), i suggest using
www.linuxmall.com if you want cheap linux cds(i haven't had any problems
with them yet) also i'd avoid CDRd cds as well as they are sometimes
difficult to read in normal cdroms, getting the "real" pressed cds can
take several weeks from release but it is worth the wait.

nate

Eric Hanchrow wrote:
> 
> I just received my Debian 2.2 CDs from Cheapbytes -- 3 binary
> CD-ROMS.  I could not boot off the first one (the installation program
> complained that it couldn't mount the rescue image).
> 
> I decided to run `md5sum' on each file on the CD-ROM, and compare its
> output with the file /cdrom/md5sum.txt.  I was surprised to find that
> they differed.  Here's how I did it:
> 
> (cd /cdrom; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum)
> 
> Here's one file whose sum isn't what the md5sum file says it should be
> (there are many other such files):
> 
> 7eea9e34469920cf5b3de06e527186bb  
> ./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
> dc8e866f3a26cfa8a38f15d328519c92  
> ./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
> 
> Some of the files seem to be random data; one file whose name ends in
> `.tgz' is actually text.
> 
> Has anyone else had this problem?
> 
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Re: unapproved query <-- dns/named8 after power-failure

[Will Trillich]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:31:10AM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote:
> Will Trillich wrote:
> > [i've got debian 2.2/potato running as a router/ipmasq/firewall
> > box for my home intranet, with named 8.2.2-P5-NOESW]
> > 
> > unapproved query from [207.63.39.40].1671 for "serensoft.com"
> > unapproved query from [198.69.131.5].1648 for "serensoft.com"
> > unapproved query from [205.177.10.10].1744 for "serensoft.com"
> 
> looks like you are restricting query access to your nameserver via
> access control lists(defined in named.conf) those entries look to me
> like those ip addresses are trying to get the IPs for serensoft.com,
> mail.serensoft.com, www.serensoft.com but your nameserver is rejecting
> them because they are not in the access control lists.
> 
> it does mean you are not answering DNS queries, at least queries from
> those IPs. it is a security feature, and must've gotten turned on, but
> named wasnt restarted until your system came online after the outage.
> look in named.conf for something along the lines of  'allow-query', or
> post your named.conf. i restrict zone transfers on my DNS(s) but i don't
> restrict queries. BTW - i just tried to send this mail to your email
> addy, and my mail server told me it cannot get a MX record for your
> domain(same problem your having) so i'll just send to the list hope u
> get it soon to fix :)

hi there. it's me again, señor moron, here.

restricting queries is kinda goofy for an internet nameserver, huh?

thanks for your response. good thing my isp is acting as secondary
nameserver... your stuff is getting through, and visitors are finding
my websites...

lookie what i found in my named.conf, which i'd pasted from some
manpage/faq/howto i ran across eons ago, and i managed to
uncomment the 'allow' part... but hadn't ever 'ndc restart'ed...

// splitting name servers for security:
//
// for the one dealing with internet requests,
// forbid recursion so we won't cache bogus
// data from a malicious type:
//
// recursion no;
//
// for the other, to deal with internal resolvers,
// limit where the requests can come from:
//
allow-query { 192.168/16; 127.0.0.1; 208.33.90.85; };

i'm feeling much better, now.

// allow-query { 192.168/16; 127.0.0.1; 208.33.90.85; };

heh...  (boy, those log files got HUGE! and so did my
logcheck email box...)

> > i've also seen named report these, which still baffle me:
> > 
> > named[338]: bad referral (com !< extreme-dm.com)
> > named[338]: bad referral (net !< above.NET)
> > named[364]: bad referral (AOL.com !< mx.aol.com)
> 
> i haven't seen that before, not sure what it is..

i'd still like to know, if anyone has an idea.

and re: the 172.*.*.* denials--

> you have all ICMP blocked? chances are the nameservers couldn't get a
> response from your nameserver so tried to ping you to see if your
> alive(wild guess) since its only icmp theres not much to be worried
> about(if it is only icmp ...? thats all i saw from your posted log)

i've had the 172.* denials ever since getting my dns registered
with internic, long before the 'allow-query' snag.

so i should allow icmp? i think i'm using most of the defaults
from the impasq.deb package...

--

thanks, nate, for helping me see the moron in the mirror!

Anyone else have CheapBytes CD trouble?

[Eric Hanchrow]

I just received my Debian 2.2 CDs from Cheapbytes -- 3 binary
CD-ROMS.  I could not boot off the first one (the installation program
complained that it couldn't mount the rescue image).

I decided to run `md5sum' on each file on the CD-ROM, and compare its
output with the file /cdrom/md5sum.txt.  I was surprised to find that
they differed.  Here's how I did it:

(cd /cdrom; find . -type f -print0 | xargs -0 md5sum)

Here's one file whose sum isn't what the md5sum file says it should be
(there are many other such files):

7eea9e34469920cf5b3de06e527186bb  
./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin
dc8e866f3a26cfa8a38f15d328519c92  
./dists/potato/main/disks-i386/2.2.16-2000-07-14/images-1.44/rescue.bin

Some of the files seem to be random data; one file whose name ends in
`.tgz' is actually text.

Has anyone else had this problem?

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[Q] what do these portmap log entries mean?

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Dear all,

I've been seeing entries like below in my logs for a while.

  Aug 24 12:38:01 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
callit(390109): request from unauthorized host
  Aug 24 12:38:04 bilbo portmap[27641]: connect from 172.16.x.y to 
callit(390109): request from unauthorized host

and

  Aug 24 12:43:34 bilbo portmap[27659]: connect from 172.16.a.b to 
getport(300598): request from unauthorized host

I've implemented a default deny-all policy in /etc/hosts.deny with

  ALL : ALL

My /etc/hosts.allow effectively reads

  nmbd smbd : 172.16.

>From the log messages I assume that the portmap connect attempts fail
(as per policy), but what do these connect attempts mean?  Is someone
trying to crack my server or something?  I did challenge our network
admin ...
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Blew my /etc/xmcd dir

[ronaldace]

Hi.  I accidently deleted my /etc/xmcd directory.  I was wondering if anybody 
could tar - gzip it and send it to me?  I would really apreciate it.

Thanks!!

Ronald


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Re: [ykarant@csci.csusb.edu: xdm potato wm no go]

[Ian Zimmerman]

> "Yasha" == Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Yasha> xdm *REFUSES* to exec my wm (fvwm which was formerly known as
Yasha> fvwm2).  When I login via a regular scrolling terminal screen
Yasha> (e.g., screen on F5), and issue a startx& command (the & is
Yasha> background mode in tcsh), everything works.  (That is,
Yasha> everything works after I login as root and issue a
Yasha> /etc/init.d/xdm stop command so that startx can grab the normal
Yasha> :0 screen on F7).

I remember having a similar problem (not with a Debian packaged X, but
with a home-compiled one), and tracing it to the GiveConsole and
TakeConsole scripts somewhere under /usr/X11R6/lib/X11.  Basically the
scripts were broken by a subtle change in semantics in GNU fileutils
(having to do with chmod or chown following symlinks).

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from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys.
Sophocles.

Re: DHCP and Debian 2.2?

[Nate Amsden]

You should have a package called dhcp-client.

how well does your laptop work with dhcp ? i tried with multiple dell
laptops (Xircom 10/100 pcmcia) and had major problems (with debian,
slackware and mandrake) trying to get an ip on boot..seems we could get
one after the machine was warmed up for 5-10 mins but it never could
during boot(and yes dhcp was loaded after the pcmcia/ethernet stuff)
assigning an ip manually at boot worked fine ..

nate

"Bryan K. Walton" wrote:
> 
> Greetings!
> Quick question: For the longest time, I was running Debian 2.1 in
> a network environment where my laptop computer obtained an IP address via
> DHCP.  I had the dhcpcd .deb file installed which obtained the IP address
> for me.  Last Friday I installed Debian 2.2 from the official CDs.  The
> installation was smooth.  My questions is this: how am I getting an IP
> address via DHCP?  From what I can tell, the dhcpcd .deb is not installed,
> nor is the bootpc .deb.  Can someone tell me what program is working the
> DHCP process for me?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Bryan
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Re: Setting proper From: lines

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 08:38:00PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
:> "Spinfire" == Spinfire Magenta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
:Spinfire> I'm not quite sure if this is an Exim issue or a MUA (Mutt)
:Spinfire> issue, but... here goes:
:
:Spinfire> I have a machine that is both my workstation and the Mail
:Spinfire> Exchanger for my domain (isomerica.net).  Mail sent to
:Spinfire> [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine, however, mail sent from the
:Spinfire> host is instead tagged with the full hostname (From:
:Spinfire> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) instead of the preferred
:Spinfire> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' form.
:
:Spinfire> Is this an Exim issue (i did use isomerica.net as the
:Spinfire> 'outgoing mail name' during the Exim configuration) or if
:Spinfire> this is a Mutt issue.
:
:It can be solved with Exim (look for "Address rewriting" in the docs)
:but that is more like a work-around.  Better tell Mutt to set the From
:header correctly in the first place.  Sorry, no Mutt experience here.

in my ~/.muttrc:

my_hdr From: "Jonathan D. Proulx" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

-Jon

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

[Nate Amsden]

There are probably 2 packaging interfaces you could check out ..

kpackage (not part of debian i dont think but available from
kde.tdyc.com)
gnome-apt

nate

Anthony Towns wrote:
> 
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all.
> > > ls -l /usr/doc/foo
> > > dpkg -L foo |grep bin
> > > dpkg -L foo |grep man
> > > dpkg -L foo |grep info
> > > works for *every* package.  (Yes, I know it would be more efficient
> > > to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the
> > > reader.)
> > If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless.
> 
> Then why isn't it sufficient?
> 
> Is it not GUI-fied enough? Then please, write a little GUI that lets you
> enter a package name, and will then run the above and say "this package
> has these binaries, would you like to look at their manapage or info
> page?" and lets you click on the manpages or infopages that exist? Thanks
> to the existance of dpkg -L that shouldn't be particularly difficult to
> write, and it doesn't require 4000 packages to be changed so it's much
> much easier to get accepted.
> 
> What, exactly, is it you want that dpkg -L doesn't provide?
> 
> Cheers,
> aj
> 
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Samba via inetd, not a good idea?

[Olaf Meeuwissen]

Dear all,

I set up Samba to run via inetd (and through tcpd) so I coud easily
control host access (default deny-all policy).  This sounds worse than
it actually is: all you have to do is run `sambaconfig' and hit `i'.
Everything will be taken care of except the deny-all policy.  This is
trivial: just put `ALL : ALL' in `/etc/hosts.deny' and you're done.

This setup works fine except for the fact that `nmbd' has a tendency
to start looping which creates tons of messages in `/var/log/nmb',
`/var/log/daemon.log*' and `/var/log/syslog*'.  Typical entries look
like

  Aug 23 16:03:08 bilbo nmbd[5346]: connect from 172.16.x.y
  Aug 23 16:03:08 bilbo inetd[5328]: /usr/sbin/tcpd: exit status 0x1

for daemon.log and syslog.

This repeats for a bit with only the `nmbd' process ID changing until
`inetd' gets sick of it and says

  Aug 23 16:03:08 bilbo inetd[5328]: netbios-ns/udp server failing (looping), 
service terminated

The entries in `/var/log/nmb' say

  [2000/08/23 16:03:08, 1] nmbd/nmbd.c: main(757)
Netbios nameserver version 2.0.7 started.
Copyright Andrew Tridgell 1994-1998
  [2000/08/23 16:03:08, 0] lib/pidfile.c:pidfile_create(86)
ERROR: nmbd is already running. File /var/samba/nmbd.pid exists and process 
id 5346 is running.

This happens for a variety of IP addresses and some of these have at
some points in time successfully established connections via `smbd'.

Apparently, `nmbd' stays around for a bit after `inetd' starts it, but
I don't quite understand why the looping occurs.  Anyways, I found
that `smb.conf' supports `hosts deny' and `hosts allow' keywords with
the same syntax as used for `/etc/hosts.deny' and `/etc/hosts.allow'.

So I figured I'd better run as daemons instead of from `inetd' and
added something like this to the `[global]' section of my `smb.conf'

  hosts deny  = ALL EXCEPT localhost# deny-all policy
  hosts allow = 172.16. # private class B network

and ran `sambaconfig' again.  So far, so good.  I haven't seen any
looping in the last few hours.  Uh, after starting it with the `-a'
flag (already filed a bug report about this).

All in all, it looks like running Samba from `inetd' is not such a
good idea.
-- 
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Re: xconsole

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 08:29:46PM -0700, Ian Zimmerman wrote:
:> "john" == john gennard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:
:john> KDE is installed and seems to behave as before except that on
:john> booting xconsole screen appears with no contents and a new
:john> screen starts each time - I now have 8, one on top of the
:john> other. Whilst these can be minimized or maximized, they cannot
:john> be closed from the 'x' button nor the menu.

can't help with the real problem, but have you tried xkill to dispose
of the extraneous xconsoles?

type `xkill` in an xterm (or what ever) and then right click on the
xconsole window.

-Jon

Re: Setting proper From: lines

[Ian Zimmerman]

> "Spinfire" == Spinfire Magenta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Spinfire> I'm not quite sure if this is an Exim issue or a MUA (Mutt)
Spinfire> issue, but... here goes:

Spinfire> I have a machine that is both my workstation and the Mail
Spinfire> Exchanger for my domain (isomerica.net).  Mail sent to
Spinfire> [EMAIL PROTECTED] works fine, however, mail sent from the
Spinfire> host is instead tagged with the full hostname (From:
Spinfire> [EMAIL PROTECTED]) instead of the preferred
Spinfire> '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' form.

Spinfire> Is this an Exim issue (i did use isomerica.net as the
Spinfire> 'outgoing mail name' during the Exim configuration) or if
Spinfire> this is a Mutt issue.

It can be solved with Exim (look for "Address rewriting" in the docs)
but that is more like a work-around.  Better tell Mutt to set the From
header correctly in the first place.  Sorry, no Mutt experience here.

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from which he draws all his sorrows and his joys.
Sophocles.

Re: xconsole

[Ian Zimmerman]

> "john" == john gennard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

john> KDE is installed and seems to behave as before except that on
john> booting xconsole screen appears with no contents and a new
john> screen starts each time - I now have 8, one on top of the
john> other. Whilst these can be minimized or maximized, they cannot
john> be closed from the 'x' button nor the menu.

john> I am unable to find out exactly what xconsole is, how it works
john> and where the configuration details are. I've looked at the man
john> pages, at /usr/X11R6/bin/xconsole, and
john> /usr/lib/X11/app-defaults/XConsole, but am too inexperienced to
john> make any sense of things.

Xconsole is supposed to show messages coming from syslogd(8).  For it
to work under linux, an entry has to be made in /etc/syslog.conf
looking like this:

# The named pipe /dev/xconsole is for the `xconsole' utility.  To use it,
# you must invoke `xconsole' with the `-file' option:
# 
#$ xconsole -file /dev/xconsole [...]
#
# NOTE: adjust the list below, or you'll go crazy if you have a reasonably
#  busy site..
#
daemon.info;mail.info;\
auth.info;*.notice;cron.*   |/dev/xconsole

and of course /dev/xconsole must be an existing named pipe.

What is a bit unusual about xconsole is that it is the only X program
that runs while xdm (or its replacements kdm or gdm) waits for user
login (though this can be disabled in /etc/X11/xdm/xdm-options).  I've
observed that attempts to start an additional copy of xconsole after
logging in, either from a script like ~/.xsession or from an xterm,
don't result in the creation of a new window: instead, the command
line parameters (window geometry, font etc.) seem to be applied to the
existing window.  I don't know myself how this works, and I'd be
grateful if someone can explain; but my point is that it seems there
is a problem with this mechanism on your system.  KDE probably runs
xconsole after you log in just because it remembers it had one when
you logged out, and instead of reconnecting to the running copy
(passed in from kdm) it somehow ends up creating a new window.

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Sophocles.

Re: Latop to Desktop ethernet

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 02:51:39AM +, Marvin Stodolsky wrote:
:To just do simple FTP between my laptop and desktop without any other
:network, what are the appropriate script settings?
:PCMCIA ethernet cards are functional in each.
:Please copy to me as well as the LIST.

well hardware is the first thing that will bit you.  Make sure you use
a crossover cable or two regular (straight through) cables and a hub.

for ip settings it doesn't really matter what numbers you use if
there's only the two machines an example of how to do this part:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ifconfig eth0 10.10.10.1 up
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ifconfig eth0 10.10.10.2 up

then there's getting ftp running on the one you want files off of.  I
don't recommend ftp for this.  Security isn't an issue assuming
there's just this isolated network, but I'd still recommend ssh/scp.  It's
the simplest option as well (assuming you can get an internet
connection to download the .deb files):

[EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get install ssh
[EMAIL PROTECTED] apt-get install ssh

then to copy the files:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] scp bar:/path/to/file [bar:/path/to/file2 ...] /local/path/

or for recursive copy of directories

[EMAIL PROTECTED] scp -r bar:/path/to/directory/ /local/path

if you have a different username on the remote machine use:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] scp [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/path/to/file [bar:/path/to/file2 ...] 
/local/path/

HTH,
Jon

Re: We need a _Freaking_ Search Engine! Was: We need a FAQ. Don't you think we need a FAQ?

[Daniel E. Baumann]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, s. keeling wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:19:47PM -0600, montefin wrote:
> > 
> [yada yada snip]
> > 
> > When every other site worth a damn has a basic, simple,
> > clear-up-the-obvious, Search Engine, http://www.debian.org/search
> > complains it has not found a Search Engine worthy of itself.
> 
> I don't need a search engine.  I've got http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/
> 
> 
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> bum.  
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> 
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Am I on crack or is this list archived at geocrawler also. I usually search
there before I even bother posting anything.

Dan
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Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

[Raul Miller]

From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > ... Current policy
> > requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to
> > /usr/share/doc/).

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> Then why don't more package implement that policy?

Please give some examples of packages which do not?

> > > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all.
> > 
> > ls -l /usr/doc/foo
> > dpkg -L foo |grep bin
> > dpkg -L foo |grep man
> > dpkg -L foo |grep info
> > 
> > works for *every* package.  (Yes, I know it would be more efficient
> > to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the
> > reader.)
> 
> If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless.

Actually, I'd say that grep bin/ would be better than grep bin (without
the slash).  Similarly, for documentation, you might want to use something
like egrep 'man/|info/|doc/'.

Or, failing that, do a web search on the topic you're interested in.

I agree that we could do better about indexing or cross indexing our
documentation.  But anything better than grepping the list of files
provided by the package really has to be done on a case-by-case basis.

[Do you understand why?  It's because further improvements must be in
the form of better content.]

-- 
Raul

Re: R: net install of staroffice 5.2

[Russ Pitman]

Marco, You may have the same problem that i had initially.
I downloaded the file ftp from an the au. mirror and it would not run.

Then via netscape from Sun (after about four retrys and overwrites 'cos
I am on a 33K dialup, finally  it took eleven hours from 1am ;-(( )
and the file sizes were different.
The one I have that works is so-5_2-ga-linux-en.bin  95333K
the dud is  ditto100213K
just tried it again  from an xterm and the install page has come up.

All i did was make it executable and run it as root.

Select the net option when it asks .

HTH

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 02:17:24PM +0200, marco frattola wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > -Messaggio originale-
> > Da: Russ Pitman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > Inviato: mercoledì 23 agosto 2000 14.09
> > A: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Oggetto: Re: net install of staroffice 5.2
> 
> > I forget what I actually did to get a net install but I think
> > that the option was offered during the install process.
> 
> yeah, i think i know what you are talking about. are you sure
> you did it with 5.2? it was a snap with 5.1 .. but i don't see
> it as an option using 5.2 (i.e. running the big so52-..-.bin file)
>  
> > Just a thought- Sun has a pdf file of the all the install 
> > details on their
> > web site.
>  
> i read it .. but it refers to the setup script. there is no
> setup script before you run the big .bin file. and when
> you have the setup, all you can do is uninstall/modify/repair.
> 
> thank you anyway
> 
> Marco Frattola (Pianificazione processi) - 
> Cubecom S.p.A.
> Via de Marini,1 3 piano Torre WTC
> 16149 GENOVA
> tel. 010 6591184
>  

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Latop to Desktop ethernet

[Marvin Stodolsky]

To just do simple FTP between my laptop and desktop without any other
network, what are the appropriate script settings?
PCMCIA ethernet cards are functional in each.
Please copy to me as well as the LIST.

MarvS

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

[Anand Kumria]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> 
> 
> So?  I didn't say it was.  I didn't say that Debian maintainers
> should clean up upstream documentation.
> 
> I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains
> a mess of upstream files, there should be a file that is
> easily recognizable (having a standard name) as the Debian
> README file.

README.Debian exists in the package(s) which have made substainial changes
to how the package operates. If it exists it contains important information
that the maintainer wanted you to read.

> > > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all.
> > 
> > ls -l /usr/doc/foo
> > dpkg -L foo |grep bin
> > dpkg -L foo |grep man
> > dpkg -L foo |grep info
> > 
> > works for *every* package.  (Yes, I know it would be more efficient
> > to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the
> > reader.)
> 
> If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless.

What makes it insufficient? It give you all the information you were
orginially asking for (starting points to explore further).

Anand

default_remote_printer w/LPRNG

[Jonathan D. Proulx]

Hi,

I'm having trouble with setting the default print server with LPRng,
the set-up I'm using works with RedHat for certain, and I thought with
my Slink system (though that was even more remote from the printers so
I didn't use lpr much...)

$ grep -v ^# /etc/lpd.conf
default_remote_host=lpd-spooler.ai.mit.edu
lpd-port=515
use_queuename

TIA,
Jon

Re: You are a Linux Guru!

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

> YAY! I've allways wanted to be that when I grew up!
> 
> BTW Debian is about the same in ease of installation as RedHat, SuSE and
> others, but it's so much easyer to understand, end therefore to admin,
> that I prefer it.
> 

I don't know.  I recently had the opportunity to install Debian on a
server and  I went through hell.  And I _am_ a Linux Guru! :-)  Eventually
I had to give up and put Mandrake 7.1 on there which installed
with no problem whatsoever.  Their installer is the slickest I've ever
seen, better than Windows even.

The good news is that we have some very capable people working on the
boot-floppies.  I predict that it won't be long till we catch up and even
overtake the other distributions.

But we're not there yet IMO.

-- 
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RE: DHCP and Debian 2.2?

[Pollywog]

dhcpd or is this a trick question?

On 24-Aug-2000 Bryan K. Walton wrote:
> Greetings!
>   Quick question: For the longest time, I was running Debian 2.1 in
> a network environment where my laptop computer obtained an IP address via
> DHCP.  I had the dhcpcd .deb file installed which obtained the IP address
> for me.  Last Friday I installed Debian 2.2 from the official CDs.  The
> installation was smooth.  My questions is this: how am I getting an IP
> address via DHCP?  From what I can tell, the dhcpcd .deb is not installed,
> nor is the bootpc .deb.  Can someone tell me what program is working the
> DHCP process for me?

RE: DHCP and Debian 2.2?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 24-Aug-2000 Bryan K. Walton wrote:
> Greetings!
>   Quick question: For the longest time, I was running Debian 2.1 in
> a network environment where my laptop computer obtained an IP address via
> DHCP.  I had the dhcpcd .deb file installed which obtained the IP address
> for me.  Last Friday I installed Debian 2.2 from the official CDs.  The
> installation was smooth.  My questions is this: how am I getting an IP
> address via DHCP?  From what I can tell, the dhcpcd .deb is not installed,
> nor is the bootpc .deb.  Can someone tell me what program is working the
> DHCP process for me?
> 

it is called pump, Red Hat wrote it.

DHCP and Debian 2.2?

[Bryan K. Walton]

Greetings!
Quick question: For the longest time, I was running Debian 2.1 in
a network environment where my laptop computer obtained an IP address via
DHCP.  I had the dhcpcd .deb file installed which obtained the IP address
for me.  Last Friday I installed Debian 2.2 from the official CDs.  The
installation was smooth.  My questions is this: how am I getting an IP
address via DHCP?  From what I can tell, the dhcpcd .deb is not installed,
nor is the bootpc .deb.  Can someone tell me what program is working the
DHCP process for me?


Thanks,

Bryan

Re: color in Emacs

[s. keeling]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 09:08:25PM -0700, Dale L . Morris wrote:
> I would like to get some color in emacs, from checking the emacs ng it
> looks like .Xdefaults entries are the way to go, but I don't have an
> .Xdefaults file, just .xsession.
> Could someone post the 'color' portion of their .emacs file or point
> me in the right direction?


(0) /home/keeling/_ grep -i emacs .Xresources 
emacs.foreground:   LightSlateGray
emacs.background:   black
emacs.cursorColor:  orangered
emacs.font: -*-*-medium-r-*-*-*-80-*-*-m-*-iso8859-1
emacs.geometry: 106x42+4+18
emacs.pointerColor: orangered

A note, by the way: emacs colors make sense for white on black, or
black on white.  In between is a very misundertood area.

However, assuming you mean color as in colorized program code:

~/.emacs:
(setq font-lock-maximum-decoration t)
(global-font-lock-mode t)


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Re: What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)

[John Pearson]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 03:42:16PM -0400, David Teague wrote
> 
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote:
> [snip]
> 
> > I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are:
> >   MUA:  mutt
> >   MDA:  procmail
> >   MTA:  exim
> 
> John,
>  
> 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for?  
> 

MTA - mail transport agent, responsible for machine-to-machine
  routing of mail messages;
MDA - mail delivery agent, responsible for local delivery of
  mail messages to the user's mailbox/whatever.  Most MTAs
  include at least a rudimentary MDA.
MUA - mail user agent, responsible for providing a user access
  to his mailboces/folders.

> I know that mutt is a mailer, not unlike exim and smail, but has
> other functionality. procmail filters mail, but what else? exim
> seems to be a drop in for smail and sendmail, so has similar
> functionality.
> 
> 2) What are the words for these acronyms? I have a bit of the
> answer:
> 
> MTA is probably Mail Transport Agent (guess).  MDA is Mail Delivery
> Agent. (from procmail man page, I can guess it delivers mail) 
> 
> man mutt doesn't tell much and there no exim man page on my system.
> 

Exim has extensive documentation in info format; install exim-doc
and run info exim, or use dwww to browse it.

> What is MUA?
> 
> 3) What is the function of these?
> 
> 4) Where would I look this up? What is TFM  I should R? 
> 

NRS which FM these came from; I think I picked them up from
some HOWTO or other.  It's not a hard and fast separation
(as witness the common blurring of MTA and MDA), but provides
a convenient conceptual division along functional lines.


John P.
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Re: apt-get

[John Griffiths]

kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 10:17:02AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote:
>> can anyone point me to a really good resource for how to use apt-get?
>> 
>> NO NOT THE MAN PAGE PLEASE!!! please?
>> 
>> in particular i'm running potato but i want some woody packages...
>
>Don't use apt-get for this (other than to mark the packages held so they
>aren't updated behind your back).  Grab the packages yourself from a
>download site, and install them with dpkg.
>
>For information:  man dpkg or 'dpkg --help'.

OK this answers my first question and i do appreciate it. 

which leaves with the second issue of installing and configuring apache/php on 
debian potato.

in 2 days time some friends and i are sitting down to configure some servers 
for our own use. we know how to get things running under linux-for-dummies 
(mandrake) and will if we have to.

but if someone could point me at the resources for doing this in debian (i have 
a full potato CD set) or walk me slowly through it. i would appreciate it.

Regards,

John

Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

[Anthony Towns]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:17:32PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> > > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all.
> > ls -l /usr/doc/foo
> > dpkg -L foo |grep bin
> > dpkg -L foo |grep man
> > dpkg -L foo |grep info
> > works for *every* package.  (Yes, I know it would be more efficient
> > to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the
> > reader.)
> If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless.

Then why isn't it sufficient?

Is it not GUI-fied enough? Then please, write a little GUI that lets you
enter a package name, and will then run the above and say "this package
has these binaries, would you like to look at their manapage or info
page?" and lets you click on the manpages or infopages that exist? Thanks
to the existance of dpkg -L that shouldn't be particularly difficult to
write, and it doesn't require 4000 packages to be changed so it's much
much easier to get accepted.

What, exactly, is it you want that dpkg -L doesn't provide?

Cheers,
aj

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Re: We need a _Freaking_ Search Engine! Was: We need a FAQ. Don't you think we need a FAQ?

[s. keeling]

On Tue, Aug 22, 2000 at 08:19:47PM -0600, montefin wrote:
> 
[yada yada snip]
> 
> When every other site worth a damn has a basic, simple,
> clear-up-the-obvious, Search Engine, http://www.debian.org/search
> complains it has not found a Search Engine worthy of itself.

I don't need a search engine.  I've got http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/


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Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron

[Brent Harding]

If the script makes the file, say for example
#!/bin/sh
echo enter a username to create
read $USER
echo enter user's password
read $PASSWORD
echo $USER:$PASSWORD >>/etc/requested.users
Then on the hour in cron 
have it mail to me the file with a subject of requested users, or piped the
file to that newusers utility that parces mass user entries. How can this
actually break and do something I don't want? Supposing the
/etc/requested.users file were owned by the group requestusers with my
friend being a member, with permissions of 750, so outsiders can't get the
file modified?
At 12:15 PM 8/23/00 -0700, you wrote:
>On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:14:01AM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
>
>> Doesn't he have to have access to /etc/shadow though? 
>
>For what?  If you provide sudo access to use the useradd or adduser
>commands, the commands run *as root*.  Updating of /etc/passwd and
>/etc/shadow are transparent.
>
>> The delay would be more for, putting the file somewhere on the system,
>> and creating the users on the hour, run off the root crontab. 
>
>Think about this long and hard:  you're allowing a user to create a file
>with an arbitrary set of conditions, nominally to create a set of new
>user accounts...with what password settings, etc?  To implement this
>securely *you* need to figure out all the ways this can break.  There's
>a much simpler solution:
>
>Use sudo.
>
>
>> deleting would be something tricky, wouldn't want him deleting what I
>> create. 
>
>What are you deleting here?  I'm confused.
>
>> Or is the telnet login as newuser deal better made for this, 
>
>***DON'T*** use telnet.  Use ssh.  Remove telnet and telnetd packages
>from your system.  Do *not* use telnet for root sessions *at all*.
>
>> Make an account with the adduser script as shell, just like people do
>> with pppd, it runs as root, but now we get the problem of if he types
>> a user that exists, it moves on and lets him change the password 
>
>Then write a wrapper which tests for the existance of the user account
>*before* invoking adduser, and hand *this* command to your
>friend.  You'll give access to this wrapper rather than the adduser
>script itself.
>
>   #!/bin/sh
>if grep '^$1:' /etc/passwd 1>/dev/null 2>&1 ; then
>   echo "error: user $1 exists, exiting" 1>&2; exit 1
>   fi
>   adduser $1
>
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RE: Mouse Doesn't Work with X

[Peter Kim]

Thanks.

> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of W. Paul Mills
> Sent: Thursday, August 24, 2000 10:09 AM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Mouse Doesn't Work with X
>
>
>
> The way to make ALL of this work is:
>
>
> IN FILE /etc/gpm.conf:
>
> #  /etc/gpm.conf - configuration file for gpm(1)
> #
> #  If mouse response seems to be to slow, try using
> #  responsiveness=15. append can contain any random arguments to be
> #  appended to the commandline.
> #
> #  If you edit this file by hand, please be aware it is sourced by
> #  /etc/init.d/gpm and thus all shell meta characters must be
> #  protected from evaluation (i.e. by quoting them).
> #
> #  This file is used by /etc/init.d/gpm and can be modified by
> #  /usr/sbin/gpmconfig.
> #
> device=/dev/psaux
> responsiveness=
> type=ps2
> append="-R"
>
> THEN IN FILE /etc/X11/XF86Config
>
>
> Section "Pointer"
>Protocol"MouseSystems"
>Device  "/dev/gpmdata"
>BaudRate1200
>Emulate3Timeout 50
>Resolution  100
> EndSection
>
>
>
>
>
> Federico Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> : Hi,
> : try setting gpm repeat protocol to none.
>
> : -f.
>
>
> :> -Original Message-
> :> From: Gary Hennigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> :> Sent: miércoles 23 de agosto de 2000 17:07
> :> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> :> Subject: Re: Mouse Doesn't Work with X
> :>
> :>
> :> gabe lamarche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> :> > I had this same thing happening to me.  The problem seems to be some
> :> > kind of conflict with gpm (the terminal mouse package).  I
> :> found that
> :> > if I turned stopped gpm my mouse worked fine in X.
> :> >
> :> > To stop gpm I switch to a virtual consol via Ctrl^ Alt^ F1,
> :> logged in
> :> > and issued the comand  killall gpm.
> :> >
> :> > Not a great solution, I suppose if you don't need gpm package,
> :> > uninstalling it would also resolve the problem.
> :>
> :> First, the best way to stop gpm would be:
> :>
> :> /etc/init.d/gpm stop
> :>
> :> If you're not actually using gpm (it's a program to allow you to use
> :> the mouse when on a console, similar to how you use the mouse in a
> :> xterm) then just turn it off completely and delete it from your bootup
> :> procedure, ie.,
> :>
> :> /etc/init.d/gpm stop
> :> update-rc.d -f gpm remove
> :>
> :> (Not sure if you need the "-f" or not).
> :>
> :> Gary
> :>
> :>
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RE: DSL and Debian questions

[Ray Percival]

You should not need a dial up modem may want to ask on that one. Also do you 
have a static ip or dhcp if dhcp is it ppoe(?) static ips are easy. DHCP you 
need to compile in support for. Also you may want to consider a firewall since 
as soon as you put a *nix box up with a DSL connection you are a target. A good 
way to do it is to get a hub or a switch (I like the linksys switched 
networking kit) a cheap pentium with 2 pci slots and go to www.floppyfw.org for 
a good starting point. You will invest about 200 and save yourself a world of 
grief.

-- Original Message --
From: Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-to: Pollywog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2000 00:12:44 + (UTC)

>
>On 24-Aug-2000 David Bellows wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I'm contemplating getting DSL service through my local phone co.
>> Bellsouth (anyone have specific dealings with them re: DSL) and find
>> myself in total ignorance of what's involved, so please bear with me as
>> I ask these questions.
>> 
>> 1.  The service comes with an external DSL modem.  I was under the
>> impression that DSL hooked up through one's ethernet card.  Since I
>> appear to be wrong, what does the DSL modem do and is it likely to be
>> GNU/Linux compatible?
>
>The DSL modem has a connector for cable.  You use cable (10BaseT in my case)
>to connect the DSL modem to a network card in your computer.  My Network card
>is PCI, since I was not brave enough to try the type with a USB connector.
>
>> 
>> 2.  I installed the default kernel in my system and didn't set up any
>> networking stuff (currently using a dial up connection -- I'm presuming
>> that DSL is a kind of networking thing).  Where do I find the
>> information about these things and is there a Debian tool that will help
>> me configure whatever needs configuring?
>> 
>
>I downloaded Roaring Penguin from www.roaringpenguin.com and then used Alien
>to make a Debian package from the rpm I downloaded.  I have PPP and SLIP (I
>don't believe SLIP is actually required) compiled in my kernel, along with the
>tulip driver for the network card being installed as a module.  Of course, you
>need to have the PPP package installed too, which you probably already have
>since you are using a dialup.  I had to empty my /etc/ppp/options since pppoe
>has its own options file.
>
>> 3.  The webpage for Bellsouth DSL mentions three requirements (in
>> addition to MS or Mac) a)  USB (probably not currently supported in
>> Debian, eh?) OR b) ethernet card OR c) NIC.  My question: what is the
>> difference between ethernet and NIC?  Which should I get? 
>NIC and ethernet refer to the same thing.  NIC= Network Interface Card.
>
>> 
>> 4.  Another requirement was that I needed a dial up modem installed,
>> which I do have, but why would I need that?
>
>I have no idea why you would need that.  I didn't need one.
>
>I am using Pacific Bell, btw.
>
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>
>
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Re: gcc version / compiling the kernel

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

:: On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 17:13:07 -0700, Nate Amsden <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:

> there shouldn't be, the kernel team has been working hard to update the
> kernel to compile clean on all the newest compilers. earlier kernels(say
> before 2.2.10) were not as "fixed" to compile on these newer versions of
> gcc.
> my experience thus far in potato(also gcc 2.95.2) i have had no problems
> compiling kernels.

Ok... I also compiled X 4.0.1 and had no problems...

But I was wondering if there is any optimization loss when using
2.95.2. Do you know of any?

Thanks!
J.

> nate


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Re: Mouse Doesn't Work with X

[W. Paul Mills]

The way to make ALL of this work is:


IN FILE /etc/gpm.conf:

#  /etc/gpm.conf - configuration file for gpm(1)
#
#  If mouse response seems to be to slow, try using
#  responsiveness=15. append can contain any random arguments to be
#  appended to the commandline.  
#
#  If you edit this file by hand, please be aware it is sourced by
#  /etc/init.d/gpm and thus all shell meta characters must be
#  protected from evaluation (i.e. by quoting them).
#
#  This file is used by /etc/init.d/gpm and can be modified by
#  /usr/sbin/gpmconfig.
#
device=/dev/psaux
responsiveness=
type=ps2
append="-R"

THEN IN FILE /etc/X11/XF86Config


Section "Pointer"
   Protocol"MouseSystems"
   Device  "/dev/gpmdata"
   BaudRate1200
   Emulate3Timeout 50
   Resolution  100
EndSection





Federico Silva <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: Hi, 
:   try setting gpm repeat protocol to none.

: -f.


:> -Original Message-
:> From: Gary Hennigan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
:> Sent: miércoles 23 de agosto de 2000 17:07
:> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
:> Subject: Re: Mouse Doesn't Work with X
:> 
:> 
:> gabe lamarche <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
:> > I had this same thing happening to me.  The problem seems to be some
:> > kind of conflict with gpm (the terminal mouse package).  I 
:> found that
:> > if I turned stopped gpm my mouse worked fine in X.
:> > 
:> > To stop gpm I switch to a virtual consol via Ctrl^ Alt^ F1, 
:> logged in
:> > and issued the comand  killall gpm.  
:> > 
:> > Not a great solution, I suppose if you don't need gpm package,
:> > uninstalling it would also resolve the problem.
:> 
:> First, the best way to stop gpm would be:
:> 
:> /etc/init.d/gpm stop
:> 
:> If you're not actually using gpm (it's a program to allow you to use
:> the mouse when on a console, similar to how you use the mouse in a
:> xterm) then just turn it off completely and delete it from your bootup
:> procedure, ie.,
:> 
:> /etc/init.d/gpm stop
:> update-rc.d -f gpm remove
:> 
:> (Not sure if you need the "-f" or not).
:> 
:> Gary
:> 
:> 
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Re: Fwd: RE: Mouse Doesn't Work with X

[W. Paul Mills]

I have never seen this not work properly! If it does not, you
have not set it up right.


Daniel E. Baumann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


: I can't remember which one, but you have to change the script that starts
: gpm or the gpm config file to not use the -R flag. It is either the init
: script /etc/init.d/gpm or in it's config file /etc/gpm.conf. Also make sure
: you have you XF86Config file using the real device (/dev/psaux for PS/2
: mouse). You could also tell XF86Config to use /dev/gpmdata, but this is
  ^^^
: not guaranteed to work properly all the time.
  


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Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron

[kmself]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:18:00PM -0500, Brent Harding wrote:
> >
> >> deleting would be something tricky, wouldn't want him deleting what I
> >> create. 
> >
> >What are you deleting here?  I'm confused.
> If he got access to userdel, he could delete users he shouldn't delete,
> just like, if he wants mail on his domain, he could add and delete his own
> stuff only. I suppose after adding the user, it could add the username to a
> file, that if the user he wants to delete isn't in the file, he couldn't
> delete it. I would dump the telnet altogether, if he were using linux with
> ssh, but the trusty old win-98 telnet client isn't compatible with ssh, (I
> never use that program anyway, ssh isn't really that hard to use).

Again, a better fix would be to create a wrapper with rules as to what
users he did and/or did not have rights to delete, and invoke this
wrapper through sudo.  Note also that deleting user accounts is
generally not advisable.  I've posted on this subject in the past few
days here.  Instead, mark the account locked with the passwd command:

$ passwd -l 

If you had all of the users he is administering within a specified
group, and no other users belonged to that group, you could test for
membership in the group before locking the account.

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Re: Mutt: Mail-Follow-Up header incorrect

[kmself]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 09:03:09AM +0900, Jack Morgan wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> >Still, my external email address is kmself@ix.netcom.com, not "karsten".
> >Anyone know how I can supply the correct value using Mutt?  Docs tell me
> >how to toggle *generating* the header, but no guidance on setting the
> >correct value.  Or should I use a rewriting rule in exim?
> >
> >Thanks.
> 
> In /etc/email-addresses add,
> user: kmself@ix.netcom.com

...where 'user' is my local user ID?  I've already got this.


> This way, all outgoing mail for this user will be changed to your external
> email address. Exim uses this, not Mutt or other mailer.

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Re: Star Office

[kmself]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 05:42:18PM -0700,  Shane   wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Is there a Debian package of the Star Office?

No.  

The default installer works pretty well though.  StarOffice is scheduled
for release under GPL/LGPL October 13, 2000.  I would expect that a
Debian package might be available shortly thereafter.

> I need to read a MS Word document.  Are there
> any other software in Debian for viewing a
> MS Word doc?.  I have a Debian 2.2 system.
> Thanks

$ strings foo.doc | less

...works.

mswordview, abiword, and Corel WordPerfect, may work with varying
degrees of success for various documents.


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Re: apt-get

[kmself]

On Thu, Aug 24, 2000 at 10:17:02AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote:
> can anyone point me to a really good resource for how to use apt-get?
> 
> NO NOT THE MAN PAGE PLEASE!!! please?
> 
> in particular i'm running potato but i want some woody packages...

Don't use apt-get for this (other than to mark the packages held so they
aren't updated behind your back).  Grab the packages yourself from a
download site, and install them with dpkg.

For information:  man dpkg or 'dpkg --help'.



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Perl-Mysql module

[Seung-woo Nam]

Hi everyone:
I'm trying to install perl-mysql module on my debian 2.2 system and make
complain it can't find 'libmysqlclient.so' file in /usr/lib directory.
When I check the directory the file is there. Has anyone had the same
problem? Or is there mysql shared library package for debian?
Thanks for any help.

Seung-woo Nam

Re: Apache quirk?

[Debian User]

Nate,

Oh how I do wish I could unsend email.  I got to thinking about the situation 
after I sent the mail and this is what I figured out:

The default conf file for Apache has an alias in it for 'icons' that points to 
a directory in /usr/share/xxx.  This was the problem.  As soon as I commented 
out that alias, and restarted apache everything was smoking.  

What was so frustrating is I had already done all of your suggestions :)

Thanks for answering though.  I'm brand new to debian but love it already.


On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 04:48:19PM -0700, Nate Amsden wrote:
> try loading the graphics directly, make sure the graphics are in a
> directory the webserver can access such as /var/www
> 
> also look at /var/log/apache/error.log
> 
> also check permissions on the graphics files themselves
> 
> nate
> 
> Debian User wrote:
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > I downloaded the Apache/1.3.12 pkg and installed it fine.  I put my html 
> > files inside of /var/www/ and then ran apacheconfig and then surfed to 
> > localhost.  The pages come up fine but no graphics are there.  This 
> > probably isn't enough information for you guys but I'm not sure what else 
> > to include.
> > 
> > Bill
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Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

[John Pearson]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 07:31:07AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote
> On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 09:27:40AM -0400, David Zoll wrote:
[snip-o-rama]
> > Which can then route the mail to the appropriate mail server.  This is
> > how SMTP was designed to work.
> 
> Technically, yes.  However, if your boss says that work email is not to
> touch outside SMTP servers as a matter of policy how far do you think "Well,
> the SMTP server will route it correctly anyway, that is what they do" will
> fly?  There are reasons other than technical to different servers.
> 

*sigh* bosses, bosses, bosses.  All other arguments in this thread
aside, this one is a bit weird.  Does your boss realise that any 
non-local mail you send via your work SMTP server will be handed,
unencrypted and with only the most rudimentary checks, to an outside
SMTP server for forwarding or delivery?


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Re: Star Office

[John Griffiths]

personally i prefer word perfect to star office... (despite corel's atrocities)

its not trying to be a complete desktop, just a word processor.

does .doc conversion pretty well

but if all you want is to READ the doc there is an MSwordview plug-in for 
netscape

At 05:42 PM 8/23/2000 -0700, Shane wrote:
>
>Hi,
>Is there a Debian package of the Star Office?
>I need to read a MS Word document.  Are there
>any other software in Debian for viewing a
>MS Word doc?.  I have a Debian 2.2 system.
>Thanks
>
>-Shane
>
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Re: gdk-imlib1 version

[Kent Pirkle]

I just filed a bug report for balsa. Someone else had already filed a
report for gedit and gdk-imlib1.

RE: DSL and Debian questions

[Pollywog]

On 24-Aug-2000 David Bellows wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I'm contemplating getting DSL service through my local phone co.
> Bellsouth (anyone have specific dealings with them re: DSL) and find
> myself in total ignorance of what's involved, so please bear with me as
> I ask these questions.
> 
> 1.  The service comes with an external DSL modem.  I was under the
> impression that DSL hooked up through one's ethernet card.  Since I
> appear to be wrong, what does the DSL modem do and is it likely to be
> GNU/Linux compatible?

The DSL modem has a connector for cable.  You use cable (10BaseT in my case)
to connect the DSL modem to a network card in your computer.  My Network card
is PCI, since I was not brave enough to try the type with a USB connector.

> 
> 2.  I installed the default kernel in my system and didn't set up any
> networking stuff (currently using a dial up connection -- I'm presuming
> that DSL is a kind of networking thing).  Where do I find the
> information about these things and is there a Debian tool that will help
> me configure whatever needs configuring?
> 

I downloaded Roaring Penguin from www.roaringpenguin.com and then used Alien
to make a Debian package from the rpm I downloaded.  I have PPP and SLIP (I
don't believe SLIP is actually required) compiled in my kernel, along with the
tulip driver for the network card being installed as a module.  Of course, you
need to have the PPP package installed too, which you probably already have
since you are using a dialup.  I had to empty my /etc/ppp/options since pppoe
has its own options file.

> 3.  The webpage for Bellsouth DSL mentions three requirements (in
> addition to MS or Mac) a)  USB (probably not currently supported in
> Debian, eh?) OR b) ethernet card OR c) NIC.  My question: what is the
> difference between ethernet and NIC?  Which should I get? 
NIC and ethernet refer to the same thing.  NIC= Network Interface Card.

> 
> 4.  Another requirement was that I needed a dial up modem installed,
> which I do have, but why would I need that?

I have no idea why you would need that.  I didn't need one.

I am using Pacific Bell, btw.

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Star Office

[Shane]

Hi,
Is there a Debian package of the Star Office?
I need to read a MS Word document.  Are there
any other software in Debian for viewing a
MS Word doc?.  I have a Debian 2.2 system.
Thanks

-Shane


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Re: DSL and Debian questions

[Pollywog]

On 24-Aug-2000 Nate Amsden wrote:
> Also unless you know the ISP "approves" of unix i wouldn't mention it in
> talks with them, tell them you use Win 3.1. and need a system that can
> work with it. then you can be sure you'll get a hardware based non plug
> N pray solution that should work good with unix.

That's a fact.  Tell them you use anything other than Windows or Mac and they
freak out, telling you that they can't help you and you need to do a
self-install (I don't want the installer messing in my machine anyway).  I was
even told that I needed to do my first login with Windows or Macintosh, but
that turned out to be misinformation.

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apt-get

[John Griffiths]

can anyone point me to a really good resource for how to use apt-get?

NO NOT THE MAN PAGE PLEASE!!! please?

in particular i'm running potato but i want some woody packages...

so i add the woody path to /etc/apt/sources.list

apt-get update

apt-get install [woody package not available in potato]

how do i then get it to use potato files on the cdrom?

or is it smarter than this?

also...

say i want to setup apache with php 

apt-get install apache php ?

that does it all? or do i have to run something after the install?

i have spent an hour trying to use online resources to answer these questions 
and more...

does someone need a hand with debian documentation? i realise that knowing how 
stuff works is important but for an end-user not knowing how tuff works can 
help with the quality of documentation (in the words of Robert Cringely, Good 
virgins are hard to find)

Thanks for your time,

John

Re: gcc version / compiling the kernel

[Nate Amsden]

there shouldn't be, the kernel team has been working hard to update the
kernel to compile clean on all the newest compilers. earlier kernels(say
before 2.2.10) were not as "fixed" to compile on these newer versions of
gcc.

my experience thus far in potato(also gcc 2.95.2) i have had no problems
compiling kernels.

nate

Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> 
> Hello...
> 
>   Did any woody users out there have any problems compiling kernels
>   with the gcc 2.95.2 (the version in woody)? Are there any issues?
> 
>   That's the one I'm using...
> 
> Thanks,
> J.
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Re: DSL and Debian questions

[Nate Amsden]

David Bellows wrote:

> 1.  The service comes with an external DSL modem.  I was under the
> impression that DSL hooked up through one's ethernet card.  Since I
> appear to be wrong, what does the DSL modem do and is it likely to be
> GNU/Linux compatible?

depends on the modem, there are some USB modems(some are supported some
are not)
but ethernet based modems(like my Cisco 675 DSL modem, external) DO just
plug right into your ethernet card. I set up a VPN accross a pacific
bell DSL connection about a year ago, forget the modem brand but it was
external and plugge dinto the ethernet jack as well.

> 2.  I installed the default kernel in my system and didn't set up any
> networking stuff (currently using a dial up connection -- I'm presuming
> that DSL is a kind of networking thing).  Where do I find the
> information about these things and is there a Debian tool that will help
> me configure whatever needs configuring?

most every DSL connection ive ever seen has used standard TCPIP setup.
in the case of the external modems ive used, you assign an IP/netmask
etc to the NIC and the router transparently directs traffic (bridging)
from the isp through the modem to the PC(or hub/switch). in the case of
internal modems(the only one i can think of is the intel internal) it
just acts as a NIC as far as i know, but im not sure if it is supported
under linux.


>> 3.  The webpage for Bellsouth DSL mentions three requirements (in
> addition to MS or Mac) a)  USB (probably not currently supported in
> Debian, eh?) OR b) ethernet card OR c) NIC.  My question: what is the
> difference between ethernet and NIC?  Which should I get?

bellsouth is confused, ethernet card and a NIC is the same thing. i
would go with option B though. ask what kind of external modems they
use, USWorst gave me a good deal on this Cisco 675 only $99 (but it took
3-4 months to get the service working)
 
> 4.  Another requirement was that I needed a dial up modem installed,
> which I do have, but why would I need that?

some early generation DSL setups can only download and need a modem to
upload, this may be the case with yours, i would doubt it tho.

> 
> 5.  If the equipment they send doesn't work, I should be able to get my
> own stuff, correct?  And hardware advice here?

Depends...on the kind of service and their requirements, in many cases
you will be able to put any kind of DSL equipment to hook up to a line.
but there are limitations:

some ISPs require bridging(like mine - oz.net), im not sure if all dsl
devices support this, other ISPs may require Point-to-Point be supported
in the DSL device, again not sure if all dsl devices support this(Cisco
675 supports both), USWorst has an low end service that cuts out every 2
hours and forces you to re-logon, and it is ONLY compadible with the
intel internal modem(according to them), so if the ISP has special
software you will need the OS that supports that software and the
hardware too .. it can be a real biatch getting that kind of info out of
a company like bellsouth or usworst.

 
> 6.  Any other advice, pointers, etc.

shop around for a DSL isp if you can, i dont know about bellsouth but
usworst(oh, forgot they are now Quest), and GTE(now Verizon
Wireless(sp)) have listings on their homepages of approved ISPs. 
approved isps means those isps have linkups to those phone comapnies,
you won't have an unlimited set of options like u do with dialup since
the physical setup is important. I got a reccomendation for oz.net from
a co-worker. I made sure they were multihomed, had a lot of bandwidth,
didn't mind me using all my available bandwidth, don't mind servers or
Unix(although they can't provide tech support for unix), and allowed
reverse DNS setups and additional static ips. Generally unless you want
the most basic service i've found the phone company is the absolute
worst ISP you can have for DSL.

Also unless you know the ISP "approves" of unix i wouldn't mention it in
talks with them, tell them you use Win 3.1. and need a system that can
work with it. then you can be sure you'll get a hardware based non plug
N pray solution that should work good with unix.

good luck ...!

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Re: Exploring the possibilities of cron

[Brent Harding]

>
>> deleting would be something tricky, wouldn't want him deleting what I
>> create. 
>
>What are you deleting here?  I'm confused.
If he got access to userdel, he could delete users he shouldn't delete,
just like, if he wants mail on his domain, he could add and delete his own
stuff only. I suppose after adding the user, it could add the username to a
file, that if the user he wants to delete isn't in the file, he couldn't
delete it. I would dump the telnet altogether, if he were using linux with
ssh, but the trusty old win-98 telnet client isn't compatible with ssh, (I
never use that program anyway, ssh isn't really that hard to use).

Re: Mutt: Mail-Follow-Up header incorrect

[Jack Morgan]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
>Still, my external email address is kmself@ix.netcom.com, not "karsten".
>Anyone know how I can supply the correct value using Mutt?  Docs tell me
>how to toggle *generating* the header, but no guidance on setting the
>correct value.  Or should I use a rewriting rule in exim?
>
>Thanks.

In /etc/email-addresses add,
user: kmself@ix.netcom.com

This way, all outgoing mail for this user will be changed to your external
email address. Exim uses this, not Mutt or other mailer.

HTH
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gcc version / compiling the kernel

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

Hello...

  Did any woody users out there have any problems compiling kernels
  with the gcc 2.95.2 (the version in woody)? Are there any issues?

  That's the one I'm using...

Thanks,
J.

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DSL and Debian questions

[David Bellows]

Hello all,

I'm contemplating getting DSL service through my local phone co.
Bellsouth (anyone have specific dealings with them re: DSL) and find
myself in total ignorance of what's involved, so please bear with me as
I ask these questions.

1.  The service comes with an external DSL modem.  I was under the
impression that DSL hooked up through one's ethernet card.  Since I
appear to be wrong, what does the DSL modem do and is it likely to be
GNU/Linux compatible?

2.  I installed the default kernel in my system and didn't set up any
networking stuff (currently using a dial up connection -- I'm presuming
that DSL is a kind of networking thing).  Where do I find the
information about these things and is there a Debian tool that will help
me configure whatever needs configuring?

3.  The webpage for Bellsouth DSL mentions three requirements (in
addition to MS or Mac) a)  USB (probably not currently supported in
Debian, eh?) OR b) ethernet card OR c) NIC.  My question: what is the
difference between ethernet and NIC?  Which should I get? 

4.  Another requirement was that I needed a dial up modem installed,
which I do have, but why would I need that?

5.  If the equipment they send doesn't work, I should be able to get my
own stuff, correct?  And hardware advice here?

6.  Any other advice, pointers, etc.

Thanks, I know this is a lot of stuff and probably tiresome, but I feel
totally lost.

David Bellows

Re: Apache quirk?

[Nate Amsden]

try loading the graphics directly, make sure the graphics are in a
directory the webserver can access such as /var/www

also look at /var/log/apache/error.log

also check permissions on the graphics files themselves

nate

Debian User wrote:
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> I downloaded the Apache/1.3.12 pkg and installed it fine.  I put my html 
> files inside of /var/www/ and then ran apacheconfig and then surfed to 
> localhost.  The pages come up fine but no graphics are there.  This probably 
> isn't enough information for you guys but I'm not sure what else to include.
> 
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Apache quirk?

[Debian User]

Greetings,

I downloaded the Apache/1.3.12 pkg and installed it fine.  I put my html files 
inside of /var/www/ and then ran apacheconfig and then surfed to localhost.  
The pages come up fine but no graphics are there.  This probably isn't enough 
information for you guys but I'm not sure what else to include.

Bill

CD-ART for Potato images ?

[Felipe Alvarez Harnecker]

Where are the jewel case CD-ART for potato ?

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Re: PLEASE: standard package README file/orientation

[Daniel Barclay]

> From: Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>


> 
> On 22-Aug-00, 23:12 (CDT), Daniel Barclay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 
> > ...
> 
> ... Current policy
> requires that /usr/doc/ exist (possibly as a symlink to
> /usr/share/doc/).

Then why don't more package implement that policy?


> > Some others do but their files are so scrambled that you can't 
> > tell which are current, which are obsolete (because of, e.g., 
> > Debian clean-up of how the package works), etc., without 
> > reading each file.
> 
> It is not the maintainer's job to keep a packages upstream documentation
> up-to-date. Sorry, but that's the way it is. 

So?  I didn't say it was.  I didn't say that Debian maintainers
should clean up upstream documentation.

I just argued that in doc directory, which typically contains
a mess of upstream files, there should be a file that is
easily recognizable (having a standard name) as the Debian
README file.


> > Debian packages don't provide that orientation reliably at all.
> 
> ls -l /usr/doc/foo
> dpkg -L foo |grep bin
> dpkg -L foo |grep man
> dpkg -L foo |grep info
> 
> works for *every* package.  (Yes, I know it would be more efficient
> to combine into one dpkg -L command, I left it as an exercise for the
> reader.)

If Debian really thinks that is sufficient, then this is hopeless.


Daniel
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Re: gdk-imlib1 version

[Kent Pirkle]

On Wed, Aug 23, 2000 at 11:49:57PM +0200, Hugo van der Merwe wrote:
> For the past week at least, I have kept a couple of packages on hold (I
> run unstable), as they depend on gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.8.1), while on my
> mirror the version of gdk-imlib1 is 1.9.8-4. I was tempted to submit a bug
> report, but realised it might be only my mirror, and that someone else
> will quickly submit a report if this is really so.

I too have noticed this, and I am using US mirrors. I just upgraded from
potato -> woody this past weekend, if that has anything to do with it. 

Kent

Re: gdk-imlib1 version

[Alessandro Ghigi]

Hi

I have the same problem, and yesterday wrote about this, but nobody
answered. I am using the mirror ftp.ca.debia.org, but it is not a problem
of the ftp site, I think.

Alessandro

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, Hugo van der Merwe wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> For the past week at least, I have kept a couple of packages on hold (I
> run unstable), as they depend on gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.8.1), while on my
> mirror the version of gdk-imlib1 is 1.9.8-4. I was tempted to submit a bug
> report, but realised it might be only my mirror, and that someone else
> will quickly submit a report if this is really so.
> 
> However, this has still not been fixed, and I checked a second South
> African (that's where I live) mirror, which also only has 1.9.8-4
> available. Then I checked ftp.debian.org, which also has version 1.9.8-4.
> I suppose I should submit bug reports against packages that depend on
> gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.8.1)? This strikes me as funny though, because there
> have been updates to some of these packages, without this being fixed. I
> cannot believe something like this can slip through the cracks so easily,
> which is why I'm so hesitant to submit a bug report.
> 
> Thanks,
> Hugo van der Merwe
> 
> 
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Re: Upgrade from potato to woody?

[Gary Hennigan]

montefin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Raghavendra,
> 
> Great idea. Yes, I just did it, as root, using the following commands:
> 
> # cd /var/cache/apt
> # mkdir sim-logs
> # apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade | cat > sim-logs/apt-sim.txt

This is a bit more complicated than it needs to be. Simply:

apt-get -s dist-upgrade > sim-logs/apt-sim.txt 2>&1

will redirect the output (both stdout and stderr) to the file,
assuming you're using bash, or another Bourne shell, as your shell. 

> then
> 
> # less sim-logs/apt-sim.txt
> 
> to read it.

Gary

Re: Upgrade from potato to woody?

[montefin]

Raghavendra,

Great idea. Yes, I just did it, as root, using the following commands:

# cd /var/cache/apt
# mkdir sim-logs
# apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade | cat > sim-logs/apt-sim.txt

then

# less sim-logs/apt-sim.txt

to read it.

Thanks,

montefin


Raghavendra Bhat wrote:
> 
> montefin wrote:
> 
> > I avoided some problems by doing:
> > apt-get --simulate dist-upgrade
> >
> 
> Can U please elaborate on this ?  Can U
> pipe this to get some sort of a log ?
> 
> Tnx for this nifty point..real good !!
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Re: Heard there was a problem with potato first release

[Mark Janssen]

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> To: Debian-User 
> Subject: Heard there was a problem with potato first release
> 
> I am going to a computer show this weekend and would like to buy the CDs
> for potato.  I heard the initial images were flawed.  What is the
> old/new release numbers so I know what to ask for?
> paul

There was a 1 byte error in cd 2 for i386... but you probably only need
cd 1... if you have images or cd's that are not yet patched (get a patch
on cdimage.debian.org (look for release notes) you can just get a small
fix or download the only affected package (pdksh)...

There were also some problems with sparc and alpha cd's... but my guess is
that you need i386 ???


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Re: You are a Linux Guru!

[Morten Liebach]

On 21, aug, 2000 at 02:28:46 +0530, Previ wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> Here is a Press clip  about Debian in Aug 2000 edition 
> of Chip Magazine here in India.
> 
> "Debian is one of the roughest Linux Distributions to install,
> and that's why anyone who has managed to configure and
> install Debian is considered to be a Linux guru"

YAY! I've allways wanted to be that when I grew up!

BTW Debian is about the same in ease of installation as RedHat, SuSE and
others, but it's so much easyer to understand, end therefore to admin,
that I prefer it.

Boston Globe also talks about ``... the small but influential clique who
run Linux software on their personal computers, ...''. Hey, that's us!!

URL:
http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/236/business/A_user_friendly_face_lift_for_Lin
ux+.shtml

I don't know about ya'll, but I've never tried to be a trendsetter
before! ;-)

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gdk-imlib1 version

[Hugo van der Merwe]

Hi,

For the past week at least, I have kept a couple of packages on hold (I
run unstable), as they depend on gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.8.1), while on my
mirror the version of gdk-imlib1 is 1.9.8-4. I was tempted to submit a bug
report, but realised it might be only my mirror, and that someone else
will quickly submit a report if this is really so.

However, this has still not been fixed, and I checked a second South
African (that's where I live) mirror, which also only has 1.9.8-4
available. Then I checked ftp.debian.org, which also has version 1.9.8-4.
I suppose I should submit bug reports against packages that depend on
gdk-imlib1 (>= 1.9.8.1)? This strikes me as funny though, because there
have been updates to some of these packages, without this being fixed. I
cannot believe something like this can slip through the cracks so easily,
which is why I'm so hesitant to submit a bug report.

Thanks,
Hugo van der Merwe

Re:You are a Linux Guru!

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Re: Bad exim configuration (was: fetchmail gives me headache)

[Morten Liebach]

On 23, aug, 2000 at 07:50:54 +0200, Andreas Hetzmannseder wrote:
> Morten Liebach wrote:
> > [...]
> > _IS_ exim running and listening on port 25?
> > 
> > If not, ``SMTP Transaction error'' would be the error message, since
> > fetchmail speaks SMTP to exim on port 25 (fetchmail says ``Hi, I've got
> > mail for you'', and exim says nothing, so fetchmail times out and tell
> > you ``SMTP Transaction error'').
> > 
> > Look in /etc/inetd.conf for a line that starts with ``smtp'', what does
> > it say?
> 
> There is no such line.
> This is how my inetd.conf looks like:



My /etc/inetd.conf looks like this:

#:MAIL: Mail, news and uucp services.
smtpstream  tcp nowait  mail/usr/sbin/exim exim -bs
nntpstream  tcp nowait  news/usr/sbin/tcpd  
/usr/sbin/leafnode

#:INFO: Info services
finger  stream  tcp nowait  nobody  /usr/sbin/tcpd  
/usr/sbin/in.fingerd
ident   stream  tcp waitidentd  /usr/sbin/identdidentd

These are the only lines that are not commented out. Try to copy the
line for smtp from above, it should work.
Do you actually need all the things you have running?
Is it slink you use?

> > Try a portscanner too (nmap f.ex., do a `nmap localhost', look for this
> > line:   25  opentcpsmtp )
> 
> There isn't such a line either.
> This is the output of nmap in my case:
> 
>   9 tcp discard   
>  13 tcp daytime
>  21 tcp ftp
>  23 tcp telnet
>  37 tcp time
>  79 tcp finger
> 111 tcp sunrpc
> 113 tcp auth
> 512 tcp exec
> 513 tcp login
> 514 tcp shell
> 515 tcp printer

It isn't a very secure setup on anything but a ``trusted network'',
whatever that is.
As you are on a dial-up like me, you probably don't need any of these
ports, nmap of my machine:

PortState   Protocol  Service
22  opentcpssh  secure shell.
25  opentcpsmtp EXIM!!!
79  opentcpfinger   nifty thing, not important.
80  opentcphttp Apache, dwww on-line docs
113 opentcpauth identd, for IRC ...
119 opentcpnntp leafnode newsserver.
515 opentcpprinter  ...
1024opentcpunknown  What is this??
6000opentcpX11  ...

Ports 79 and 113 could be shut down ... but doing that isn't very
inportant for me.

> > If exim isn't listenig, that's the real problem, not fetchmail.
> 
> You were right! I never would have found it out by myself.
> So it seems that I have to reconfigure inetd.conf as well. Do you know
> how I can manage this?
> Or maybe it is just that I gave the wrong answers to eximconfig...
> Next comes a list of eximconfig's questions and my answers to them.
> Please would you be so kind to check them if they are correct?

Sure!

> Q: What is the visible mail name of your system? This will appear on
>From: lines of outgoing messages.
> A: woof

It should be something like mine: hotpost.dk, with just ``woof'' you
mail will look like @woof, and that's not a valid e-mail
addresss.

> Q: Does this system have any other names which may appear on incoming
>messages, apart from the visible name above (woof) and the system's
>hostname (woof)? [...]
> A: localhost

This is good, fetchmail rewrites the headers to say
@localhost, but exim allways accepts localhost by default ...

> Q: [...] Are there any domains you want to relay mail for --- that is
>you are prepared to accept mail for them from anywhere on the
>internet, but they are not local domains. [...]
> A: none

Good.

> 
> The answer above might be wrong in the first place, but I just didn't
> know what to enter else. Is this the place for my provider's domain?
> 
> Q: [...] Are there any networks of local machines you want to relay mail
>for?
> A: none

Probably OK.

> 
> The answer above looks right to me as I have a standalone PC with dialup
> connection to my provider.
> 
> Q: [...] Would you like to use the RBL?
> A: n (for no)

OK, I tried to say Yes, with no ill effect, and I'm on a dial-up type
cable connection.

> Q: Which machine will act as the smarthost and handle outgoing mail?
> A: smtp.netway.at

I use ``none'' here, but this is probably OK.

> Q: Which user accounts should system administrator mail go to?
> A: andy

Is ``andy'' your username? If so, your outgoing mail will claim to come
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] with this setup, hardly what you want.

> Well, at least I know that exim works for _local deliveries_, as I get
> some error messages to /var spool/mail/... every now and then.

So it is just a broken inetd.conf.
Fix it as per abo

You are a Linux Guru!

[Previ]

Hi all,

Here is a Press clip  about Debian in Aug 2000 edition 
of Chip Magazine here in India.

"Debian is one of the roughest Linux Distributions to install,
and that's why anyone who has managed to configure and
install Debian is considered to be a Linux guru"

Previ




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Re: apt-get error

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> When I did apt-get --fix-broken --show-upgrade dist-upgrade, I got the
> info about what apt wanted to remove, install and update. Then it asked

Hm. You have more packages installed than I have ever seen.. This is a bug
- can you please send me a copy of /var/lib/dpkg/status [mime+gzip] when
this is happening.

For your immediate problem.. I recommend you attempt starting with
'upgrade' and then switch to dist-upgrade after that completes OK. 

Jason

Re: Pointing Device

[Daniel E. Baumann]

On Wed, 31 Dec 1969, Michael Tanney wrote:
> Whenever I try to start XWindows it stops with the error /dev/mouse does not 
> exsist. How do I find out what the device name for the mouse is and 
> reconfigure it for XWindows ?
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> Michael Tanney
> 
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Geez, maybe somebody should write a mouse howto or something. (just kidding
isn't that what the XFree86-HOWTO is for?) /dev/mouse is usually just a
symbolic link to the real device which depends on what kind of mouse you have.

Some commons ones are:

/dev/psaux (PS/2)
/dev/ttySXX (serial mouse, you have to know which com port replace XX with 0
for com1, etc.)

So when you know which device to use either stick that in the XF86Config file
or make a symbolic link by doing ln -s /dev/ttySX or /dev/psaux /dev/mouse.

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Heard there was a problem with potato first release

[Paul McHale]

I am going to a computer show this weekend and would like to buy the CDs for
potato.  I heard the initial images were flawed.  What is the old/new
release numbers so I know what to ask for?
paul


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Re: What are MUA, MTA, MDA?

[Mark Janssen]

David wrote (replying from a digest... damn)...
-
> Subject: What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)
> 
> I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are:
>   MUA:  mutt
>   MDA:  procmail
>   MTA:  exim
>
> John,
>
> 1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for?
>
>I know that mutt is a mailer, not unlike exim and smail, but has
>other functionality. procmail filters mail, but what else? exim
>seems to be a drop in for smail and sendmail, so has similar
>functionality.

Mail Transfer Agent (Like sendmail, exim etc)
Mail User Agent (Pine, Elm, Outlook)
Mail Delivery Agent...  (Procmail, ... )

>
> 2) What are the words for these acronyms? I have a bit of the
> answer:
>
> MTA is probably Mail Transport Agent (guess).  MDA is Mail Delivery
> Agent. (from procmail man page, I can guess it delivers mail)
>
> man mutt doesn't tell much and there no exim man page on my system.
>
> What is MUA?

See above..

> 3) What is the function of these?

It's your mail reading client (pine, elm, outlook etc...)

> 4) Where would I look this up? What is TFM  I should R?
>
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These originate from the X400/X500 world... IRRC
There should also be some mention of these in your Sendmail book...



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Re: I am now totally confused about modules

[bsamuels]

Christophe Broult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > Christophe Broult <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > In short the alsa modules uses the OSS sound modules to provide sound
> > > for your system.
> > 
> > I don't have alsa on my system.  I did try it once but removed the package.
> 
> By any chance, do you still have a file named /etc/modutils/alsa?  If
> you have removed the alsa package, did you purge all configuration
> files, i.e. use '_' (purge) in dselect instead of '-' (remove)? If you
> use remove instead of can still purge this package.

/etc/modutils/alsa was removed with the Alsa package.

Barry Samuels

Re: Pointing Device

[Nate Amsden]

I just replied to another mouse question :) and i gotta ask you too to
include what kind of mouse it is and what port its plugged into (ps/2,
serial) if it's serial which serial port (1/2) ?

nate

Michael Tanney wrote:
> 
> Whenever I try to start XWindows it stops with the error /dev/mouse does not 
> exsist. How do I find out what the device name for the mouse is and 
> reconfigure it for XWindows ?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Michael Tanney
> 
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apt-get error

[Manegold]

Hi!

I got potato on CD's and followed the update instructions on them. That
is, I updated my slink versions of apt and dpkg to the statically linked
newer versions. Then I did apt-cdrom add for all binary cd's and followed
that with apt-get update. So far so good.
When I did apt-get --fix-broken --show-upgrade dist-upgrade, I got the
info about what apt wanted to remove, install and update. Then it asked
for teh first CD. After RETURN it calculated dependencies and quit with
the message:

E: Internal Error, Could not perform immediate configuration

What does that mean, and how to I make apt-get do the update?

I had
 script -a update2.2.log
running to get a transcript. I attach it to this message

TIA

Thorsten Manegold

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Pointing Device

[Michael Tanney]

Whenever I try to start XWindows it stops with the error /dev/mouse does not 
exsist. How do I find out what the device name for the mouse is and reconfigure 
it for XWindows ?

Thanks, 

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Re: mouse not working

[Ben Skolmoski]

Thanks that did it.

Ben

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Amsden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ben Skolmoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:52 PM
Subject: Re: mouse not working


> run gpmconfig
>
> try setting the port to /dev/ttyS0
> set the "type" to MS
> see what happens
>
> or run
>
> gpm -t ms -m /dev/ttyS0
>
> for a quick test then run gpmconfig to make it permament(or edit the
> file directly)
>
> nate
>
> Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> >
> > It is a serial mouse on com1
> >
> > Ben
> >
> > - Original Message -
> > From: "Nate Amsden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: "Ben Skolmoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Cc: 
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:42 PM
> > Subject: Re: mouse not working
> >
> > > it'd be helpful to know what kind of mouse it is and what kind of port
> > > it's plugged into (ps/2, serial if serial what port 1/2)
> > >
> > > nate
> > >
> > > Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I have been having trouble getting my mouse to work.  This a what my
> > > > gpm.conf has in it;
> > > >
> > > > device=/dev/mouse
> > > > responsiveness=
> > > > repeat_type=m3
> > > > type=bare
> > > > append="-l\a-zA-Z0-9.:/\300\326\330-\366\370-\377\""
> > > >
> > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > > >
> > > > Ben
> > > >
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Re: mouse not working

[Nate Amsden]

run gpmconfig

try setting the port to /dev/ttyS0
set the "type" to MS
see what happens

or run

gpm -t ms -m /dev/ttyS0

for a quick test then run gpmconfig to make it permament(or edit the
file directly)

nate

Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> 
> It is a serial mouse on com1
> 
> Ben
> 
> - Original Message -
> From: "Nate Amsden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Ben Skolmoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:42 PM
> Subject: Re: mouse not working
> 
> > it'd be helpful to know what kind of mouse it is and what kind of port
> > it's plugged into (ps/2, serial if serial what port 1/2)
> >
> > nate
> >
> > Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> > >
> > > I have been having trouble getting my mouse to work.  This a what my
> > > gpm.conf has in it;
> > >
> > > device=/dev/mouse
> > > responsiveness=
> > > repeat_type=m3
> > > type=bare
> > > append="-l\a-zA-Z0-9.:/\300\326\330-\366\370-\377\""
> > >
> > > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Ben
> > >
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Re: mouse not working

[Ben Skolmoski]

It is a serial mouse on com1

Ben

- Original Message -
From: "Nate Amsden" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Ben Skolmoski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2000 1:42 PM
Subject: Re: mouse not working


> it'd be helpful to know what kind of mouse it is and what kind of port
> it's plugged into (ps/2, serial if serial what port 1/2)
>
> nate
>
> Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> >
> > I have been having trouble getting my mouse to work.  This a what my
> > gpm.conf has in it;
> >
> > device=/dev/mouse
> > responsiveness=
> > repeat_type=m3
> > type=bare
> > append="-l\a-zA-Z0-9.:/\300\326\330-\366\370-\377\""
> >
> > Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> >
> > Ben
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Re: mouse not working

[Nate Amsden]

it'd be helpful to know what kind of mouse it is and what kind of port
it's plugged into (ps/2, serial if serial what port 1/2)

nate

Ben Skolmoski wrote:
> 
> I have been having trouble getting my mouse to work.  This a what my
> gpm.conf has in it;
> 
> device=/dev/mouse
> responsiveness=
> repeat_type=m3
> type=bare
> append="-l\a-zA-Z0-9.:/\300\326\330-\366\370-\377\""
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Ben
> 
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What are MUA, MTA, MDA? (Was Re: Linux Mail Client)

[David Teague]

On Wed, 23 Aug 2000, John Pearson wrote:
[snip]

> I differentiate between MUAs, MDAs, and MTAs; examples are:
>   MUA:  mutt
>   MDA:  procmail
>   MTA:  exim

John,
 
1) What do MTA, MUA, MDA stand for?  

I know that mutt is a mailer, not unlike exim and smail, but has
other functionality. procmail filters mail, but what else? exim
seems to be a drop in for smail and sendmail, so has similar
functionality.

2) What are the words for these acronyms? I have a bit of the
answer:

MTA is probably Mail Transport Agent (guess).  MDA is Mail Delivery
Agent. (from procmail man page, I can guess it delivers mail) 

man mutt doesn't tell much and there no exim man page on my system.

What is MUA?

3) What is the function of these?

4) Where would I look this up? What is TFM  I should R? 

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mouse not working

[Ben Skolmoski]

I have been having trouble getting my mouse to work.  This a what my
gpm.conf has in it;

device=/dev/mouse
responsiveness=
repeat_type=m3
type=bare
append="-l\a-zA-Z0-9.:/\300\326\330-\366\370-\377\""

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Ben

Re: Linux Mail Client (was: Re: Web browsers for Linux (was: Re: Netscape Bus Error))

[Matthew Sackman]

> No, I mean exactly what an MUA says it is.  Mutt is an MUA but, to me,
it
> is not a mail client.  A mail client is able to transfer and manipulate
the
> required data without need of other programs.  A constant example I give,
> which is flawed as all are, is web browsing.  A web browser is, for the
most
> part, an HTTP client.  We have the HTTP server and the HTTP client talking
to
> one another directly.  We don't have an HTTP transport agent to get the
data
> to the HTTP user agent.  Again, example, it is flawed, but it gets the
basic
> point across.



It may interest you to know that there are many different ways to skin a
cat. Clearly none of the ways currently available suit you 100% (or even
60%). However, it may interest you to know that in general, the
modularization and breakdown of processes into many separate methods is
generally thought to be A Good Thing. It is because of this that we have
(for example) Micro Kernels. You may be further interested to know that
under RISC OS, the entire web-browsing mechanics are as broken down as email
is under Linux - you literally do have to have around 3-4 different
processes running, which all communicate with each other to get the job
done.

This level of modularization offers far more power and flexibility, as it
becomes easier to implement new features and capabilities (as the amount of
code that has to be re-implemented from application to application is
greatly reduced). I am far happier using a console mode MUA under Linux than
I am using Outlook Express because I have far more 'nitty-gritty' control
over what is going on.

I may remind you that Linux is first and foremost a server OS. It is also a
programmer's OS. As such, people who are not prepared to while away hundreds
of hours reading man pages and docs and do not have an almost fundamental
understanding of the OS are not going to find Linux a rewarding experience.
Therefore, the attitude is, and will remain to be for some time, 'if it
doesn't do what you want, make it do it yourself'.

Matthew

Re: XFree86 3.3.6 configuration in potato (D2.2)

[Aaron Maxwell]

Yo.  Two straws worth grasping at:

1) It's not quite clear to me from your posts... you *do* have the
module loaded, right?  (lsmod should print 3dfx.o) Installing the deb
package (as you did) doesn't automatically do this, I believe.
(See http://lists.debian.org/debian-user-0008/msg02620.html if the module
isn't in)  

2) If you just want to play fullscreen quake and don't care about X, check
the permissions on /dev/3dfx. iirc, the way it was installed on my system
was like 'crwxrwx---', with owner root and group audio.  user needs rwx
permissions to use (access) the board.  A quick but insecure way to do
this is to just try to run quake as root.  A better longterm way is to
change the permissions, owner and group of /dev/3dfx to the above, if it's
not already that; then add whomever wants to run quake to the 'audio'
group.  If it still doesn't work you know that permissions are not your
problem.

Aaron

spectra wrote:
>I've apt-got quake-3dfx (it also installed libglide2-v3), and when I
>try $ quake-3dfx
>This is what happen:  (...)  gd error (glide): Can't find or access
>Banshee/V3 board fx Driver: ERROR no Voodoo1/2 Graphics or Voodoo Rush !
>Error: Unable to create 3DFX context. 
>$