Anyone want a utility to find the best mirror?

2000-09-29 Thread Joe Emenaker



Some time ago, 
I asked about any utility that could take a list of machinesand find the one 
that's closest, so that I could find the best mirror topoint dselect to. 
Someone responded that I should try "netselect", which didhelp a lot. 
However, netselect has a couple of shortcomings:  o It only tests 
ping times, not actual transfer rates of data  o It doesn't check to 
see if there's an ftp server there.  o It doesn't check to see if the 
ftp server accepts anonymous login  o It doesn't check to see if the 
ftp server even *still* mirrors thedebian treeThese last two are a 
real pain... especially the last one. Many of the sitesI tried first in the 
mirrrors list didn't have the debian tree anymore.Hrmph!So, 
anyway I broke down and wrote a little perl script which takes 
aREADME.mirrors.txt and tries to connect to each of the mirrors listed. 
Ittries to connect anonymously and tries to navagate to the directory 
wherethe debian tree is supposed to be and then it actually tries to 
download afile from the site to see what kind of transfer rate it 
gets.It does *not* check for *currency* of the mirror. In other words, 
if thefiles in the mirror are all 6 months old, the script will not pick 
thatup yet. I do plan, however, to make it sense that and take that 
intoaccount.Anyway, if anybody wants to give it a whirl, I'm open to 
somebeta-testing.- Joe


Re: init 3 does nothing

2000-09-29 Thread will trillich
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 06:16:10PM +0200, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:
> So I guess I have no Linux system now. Scratch everything and try again in a 
> month or so.
> Maybe 2.2 will install OK, but I must admit I'm beginning to doubt it. I've 
> been trying, on
> and off, to get Linux working for about 5 years, but my 21 years experience 
> in this business
> just isn't enough.
> 
> Sometimes I envy all you Linux gurus  (=people who have got Linux installed 
> OK) out there,
> it must be really nice to have cracked the puzzle. Maybe I'll solve it when 
> Linux reaches
> its 10th birthday, and woody is stable, who knows? I'm not being sarcastic, 
> BTW, just a
> little frustrated...

hang in there.

i spoze lots depend on your particular peculiarities among
your components (ethernet cards, memory vendor, motherboard,
yada yada) but debian was the firs linux i encountered
(in 2.1 slink days, back in april) that installed and was
up and running with no fuss.

i'm hanging with it in 2.2/potato-ville because of the
things i read about apt-get versus, well, nothing else
like it out there.

i bought the 2.1 slink cd (2-cd set) as part of the linuxmall.com
megapack where you get 11 cd's (8 distros, i think) for $29
or so. (also hadta get a tux plush doll for my schmoopie, but
she doesn't appreciate him as much as i do.)

i also know of folks who have troubles similar to what you
mention. if you get the new cd's and it doesn't work, maybe
something else similar will.

better than resorting to microso~1, at least.



Re: apt-get problem

2000-09-29 Thread Bob Nielsen
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 08:53:48PM -0700, Sean wrote:
> hi folks,
> 
> i am a new debian user.  fresh install potato.  i
> built my own kernel_image.  after that, everytime when
> i fire apt-get update/upgrade, it prompt me for
> upgrading kernel_image ...
> 
> how can i keep an "old" package (in this case is the
> kernel_image) from not upgrading?

There are two ways to do this.  

1.  Go into dselect, position the cursor on the kernel-image-2.2.17
line and type "=".  This puts that package on hold so neither apt-get
nor dselect will try to upgrade it.

2.  Recompile using an epoch:

make-kpkg --revision=3:custom.1.0 kernel_image

The Debian kernel-image-2.2.17 package was created with an epoch of 1,
which is why this is happening.  /usr/doc/kernel-package/README.gz has
a discussion of this.

Actually there is a third way using 'dpkg --set-selections' but that
should probably be avoided by a new user

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Re: F2 key programming

2000-09-29 Thread Wayne Topa

Subject: F2 key programming
Date: Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 06:20:19PM +

In reply to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Hello  Thomas, Further to e-mail from Julio Merino on how to make the F2
> key emit "|more\C-m"
> (i.e.  put into ~.inputrc the line"\e[[B": "|more\C-m" ) I found,
> after much fruitless searching, that
> my F2 key has the string "\eOQ" instead attached and F10 has  "\e[21~" .
> 
> I found this via a small C-program which I wrote. I now have the two
> lines in my ~.inputrc
> "\eOQ":"|more\C-m"
> "\e[21~":"ls -l"   #F10 emits "ls-l"
> and all is well!

> This shows one of the problems with Linux: some necessary information
> is very hard to find.
> Ivan

Ivan

  Too late now but for future reference.

apropos keyboard
(deleted those that don't apply)
showkey (1)  - examine the codes sent by the keyboard

man showkey
"showkey prints to standard output either the scan codes or
 the  keycode  or the `ascii' code of each key pressed.
  
Isn't Linux great!  When you know how to ask it a question, it knows
how to answer.

Hope this will help you in the future!!

Regards
Wayne
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apt-get problem

2000-09-29 Thread Sean
hi folks,

i am a new debian user.  fresh install potato.  i
built my own kernel_image.  after that, everytime when
i fire apt-get update/upgrade, it prompt me for
upgrading kernel_image ...

how can i keep an "old" package (in this case is the
kernel_image) from not upgrading?

thks in advance!

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Re: init 3 does nothing

2000-09-29 Thread Mike Merten
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 09:59:51AM -0500, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> 
> No need to define a new runlevel, just use update-rc.d.  Debian sets up
> runlevels 2-5 as identical to each other with the expectation that users who
> want to use them for process/daemon control will customize the runlevels to
> their personal taste.  (Note:  Those Red Hat guys probably told you that the
> default runlevel is 5, but Debian's default is 2.)
> 

Heh...  I fool with Solaris all day, and runlevel 5 is shutdown and power
off.  Man, would that be confusing, or what?

Mike
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System Support Engineer
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Joint Readiness Training Center
Fort Polk, Louisiana



half-installed packages

2000-09-29 Thread Thomas J. Hamman
I was walking my gf through an install of Debian (it didn't scare her,
and she's no techie), and everything went fine until she tried
installing some stuff.

Installing task-x-window-system basically choked, and now she is left
with a bunch of half-installed packages.  I can't tinker with it myself
since she is annoyingly located hundreds of miles away from me.

What is the official correct way to deal with lots of half-installed
packages?

Also, while I'm asking, if you install a task, what's the quickest and
easiest way to just get rid of everything it installs?  She installed a
couple other tasks in tasksel before realizing it would probably be
better to start with a minimal system and apt-get as needed..

-- 
Tom
"Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen."
-Albert Einstein



Re: /var/spool/mail on NFS

2000-09-29 Thread oneiros
Thus spake A Mennucc1 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I have two machines with Debian potato on it,
> and kernel 2.2.17; first one is called Tonelli, 
> second one is called Fubini
> 
> I have install  nfs-common and nfs-server on both
> 
> when I try to read my email using mutt, it says 
> 
>  fcntl errno = 37
> 
> and the mailbox is readonly
> 
> exim  at Fubini is also not able to lock
> and deliver email

Use nfs-kernel-server, the userspace nfsd does not have the needed locking
functionality.  Plus, it's tons faster and a lot more reliable, which is
always a good thing(tm).

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acroread Exited with error code: 0x400e0009

2000-09-29 Thread Mark Zimmerman
Greetings:

Whenever I use acrobat reader on my home system (potato), It displays
the first page successully, but when I go to another page it exits and
says:

Exited with error code: 0x400e0009.

I've tried purging and reinstalling it, to no avail.  I have no such
problem on my systems at work, which are also potato.

It's acting like some kind of difference in the libraries, so here's
what it is linking to at run time:

libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40018000)
libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x4006)
libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x4006c000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x4010d000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4012a000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4012f000)
libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x4020c000)
libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x40215000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

Anybody else seen this?

-- Mark



Re: no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread John Hasler
bentley taylor writes:
> i don't have a /var/log/ ppp.log,

File a bug against ppp.
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Re: no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread John Hasler
Robb Kidd writes:
> 'tail -f /var/log/messages' - pon/poff sends its log entries to
> 'messages' by default.

pon and poff don't send any log entries anywhere: they are just scripts
which respectively call pppd and kill it.  However, pppd and chat should be
logging to /var/log/ppp.log.  Did you turn debugging off in pppconfig?
-- 
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Re: forcing D-Link 530 into Full-Duplex

2000-09-29 Thread Tony Mollica
I'm certainly no expert at this but I'm not quite
sure how to pass the full_duplex parameter to a
driver that is compiled into the kernel.  You may
have to modify the source for that.  But if you
compile the via-rhine driver as a module you can
pass the parameter two ways that I know.  You can
interrupt the boot process with the left-shift key
and after the linux: prompt add 

linux: via-rhine full_duplex=1

or you can add a line in your modules.conf file
like this:

options via-rhine full_duplex=1

There is some minimal documentation in the source file
on this.  You might check the syntax I've provided for
accuracy.  The second method I'm sure is correct.  The
first one I'm not 100% sure of but it may work for both
modules and compiled-in drivers. If you have more than
one card installed using the same driver, you can set
them all to full duplex by separating the parameters with
a comma, such as full_duplex=1,0,1,0.  This makes the 
first and third cards full duplex and the second and fourth
cards not.

good luck,
-- 
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Arcady Genkin wrote:
> 
> I have a D-Link 530 card using a compiled-in via-rhine driver as eth0.
> The card is talking to an identical card in a computer that runs
> FreeBSD.  I'm seeing collisions on the Linux side of the link, and am
> wondering what parameters I should pass the kernel to force the card
> into Full-duplex 100base mode, and how to pass those params.  (I
> already did that on the FreeBSD side).

> Arcady Genkin
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Re: Postfix question

2000-09-29 Thread Pollywog

On 29-Sep-2000 Mark Brown wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 07:42:46PM +, Pollywog wrote:
> 
>> Will putting these hosts in the /etc/postfix/access list suffice?
>> I just thought of that, but it's too simple ;)
> 
> [One of the reasons for writing new text after old is that it provides
> valuable context which makes it much easier to understand messages.
> Anyway.]

I will do it that way in future.

> 
>> > to be received.  Is there some option in Postfix that would allow me to
>> > receive mail from certain hosts with bad HELO or hostname info while
>> > refusing
>> > all others?  I know how to turn it off completely, but I want to be
>> > selective.
>> > I have read the docs but nothing applies.
> 
> You also need to specify the access list in the appropriate smtpd
> restrictions class.  "check_client_access" should do what you want.  See
> /usr/share/doc/postfix/examples/sample-smtpd.cf.gz for details.
> 
Thanks, I am using that restriction now, but I don't yet know whether it is
working as intended.

--
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Re: pine (again!)

2000-09-29 Thread Daniel Lesage
Thanks to Joel Dinel for pointing me to this address:

http://www.linuxnewbie.org/ubb/Forum12/HTML/96.html

Turns out I did not have libncurses5-dev installed, only libncurses5.

Now I'm wondering why apt did not warn me of the missing dependance...

Dan.



Re: printer setup in Debian 2.2

2000-09-29 Thread Remco van 't Veer
Printtool is not available in debian 2.2.  If you don't want to take
it from woody, magicfilter or apsfilter might be a good solution.  I
use magicfilter and was very happy with the installation ease.

Remco


On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 13:58, Seung-woo Nam wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I was just wondering if there is a printer setup tool in debian like
> printtool in redhat. My printer is hp deskjet 694c and it just spits
> out garbage under debian.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Seung-woo Nam


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Re: laptop hot swapping

2000-09-29 Thread scott worley


On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David Smock wrote:
> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:12:16 -0500
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> From: David Smock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: laptop hot swapping
> 
> I have a Dell Inspiron 5000 running debian woody, and all the apm stuff
> works great.  My only problem is hot swapping drives - is there any way
> to get linux to recognize the fact that ive changed block devices?  
> 
> I've tried suspending and swapping, but no dice either - the kernel is
> still thinking a cdrom is on /dev/hdc
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> David Smock
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> 
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I have been able to hot swap on a few Compaq laptops(Armada 7400, E500)
only under the following condition:
1. Linux booted with CD in the multibay

I could then hot swap a floppy for the CD and was able to hot swap back to
the CD.  If I booted with the floppy then I could not swap the CD because
Linux did not know a CD was on the system.

I write bios for the Compaq notebooks so this is how it works for APM.
1. User removes multibay device
2. Hardware generates an external SMI
3. SMI code turns off power/buffers to empty bay, updates internal bios
device tables, etc.
4. Bios generate PnP message to tell OS of a device change
5. OS queries PnP the find which device it changed and updates its
info/drivers

The same process occurs for device insertion except if an IDE device is
inserted the SMI code has more work to do.  It must take the IDE/Atapi
device out of reset, ID it, do any geometry/xfer speed setup.  Also, if you
insert the device in a bay on the same channel as an existing IDE device
then the existing device state must be preserved because when you hardware
reset the new device all devices are reset on that channel.

You could do this at least two ways.

1. This is a bad way but modify the linux IDE driver to keep all
interfaces/dev nodes hot and poll periodically for presence of devices.  

2. Write a kernel module to poll the PnP event register periodically.  This
is what Win95 does.  When a device change message comes
through(insertion/removal) go out and load/re-load the driver and setup the
nodes, etc.

I've been too lazy to learn linux kernel programming to do this;)

Dell probably uses a similar PnP mechanism.

This sounds like a good project for 2.4 and devfs.

scott worley
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Re: no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread Gregory Cascante Aviles

I did this way

in the .bashrc a put
alias pon='plog /var/log/syslog'

I hate wvdial

att. Gregory Cascante

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, ccridge wrote:

> I had the same objection to "pon" and it was suggested
> that I go back to wvdial, which has it's own web site.
> I did, easy as pie, and now I know what's going on.
> 
> 
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Re: printer setup in Debian 2.2

2000-09-29 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
If you know how to use printtool, it exists as a deb package also. Get
it. apt-get install printtol

Seung-woo Nam wrote:
> 
> Hi:
> 
> I was just wondering if there is a printer setup tool in debian like
> printtool in redhat. My printer is hp deskjet 694c and it just spits out
> garbage under debian.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Seung-woo Nam
> 
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Re: no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread ccridge
I had the same objection to "pon" and it was suggested
that I go back to wvdial, which has it's own web site.
I did, easy as pie, and now I know what's going on.



sawfish & sawfish-gnome

2000-09-29 Thread Jens Luedicke
Hi there ...

I'm running a potato/woody box with helixcode
gnome. When I wanted to upgrade my system
with "apt-get -u dist-upgrade", apt-get decided
to remove sawfish and sawfish-gnome. I don't see
a reason why. There are new "rep" and "librep"
packages, too. Can it be that those new packages
are incompatible/conflict with sawfish ??


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Re: Where can I find a .deb for ipppd?

2000-09-29 Thread Jens Luedicke
hi there ...

isdnutils contains the ipppd

apt-get install isdnutils 



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Re: forcing D-Link 530 -- which nic

2000-09-29 Thread Alvin Oga


hi ya paul..

no no... i need the card to be physically 1" or so...
and with the bootrom...its 2.5" or so... aint good
to have try to guess which thingie is in the box...

c ya
alvin

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, W. Paul Mills wrote:

> 
> Can't you just remove (unplug) the boot ROM?
> 
> 
> > Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
> > From: Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> > Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> > 
> > 
> > hi ya paul...
> > 
> > thats wacky  and if one is lucky when you buy the 
> > Dlink marked DF530TX+  i found some cards with the
> > bootrom and some cards without the bootrom...
> > ( i need the part w/out the bootrom...
> > 
> > oh welll
> > alvin
> > http://www.linux-1u.net. the 3-NIC 1U uses the dfe530tx+
> > 
> > On 29 Sep 2000, W. Paul Mills wrote:
> > 
> > > 
> > > I don't think so! The rtl8139 driver is ONLY for the
> > > DFE530TX+, the DFE530TX uses the via-rhine driver. They 
> > > are not interchangeable.
> > > 
> 



Re: Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer

2000-09-29 Thread Hubert Chan
Nicola Bernardelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The Lexmark Optra E312 (600x600dpi, 4Mbytes RAM, 10ppm, 3 years
> replacement-at-home warranty, relatively cheap toner cartridge [5000
> pages] with builtin photoconductor) claims "Postscript2+pcl6
> emulations". 
> 
> Could I just send to it the Postscript files produced with the tools
> commonly used in Linux?

My guess is "Yes", but I don't have any experience with Lexmark printers.  I
can't imagine why there would be any problems, though.

> I guess a PCL-only printer would also do, maybe via Ghostscript as a
> translator, but what would it miss compared to a Postscript printer?

I don't think you'd miss much.  Setting up a PCL printer is a bit more work (at
least until I discovered the apsfilter package), but you should be able to
print anything out on it.  It may be slower, because (AFAIK - so don't quote me
on this) Ghostscript would print each page as a large bitmap.  And complex
pages will be processed by your CPU instead of the printer, which may cause a
bit of problems on a high-load machine, but you probably don't have to worry
about that for normal text/music work.

I have a Brother HL-730, and I haven't had any problems with it.  It took some
digging before I found out the right configuration to make it print at 600dpi,
though.

A general warning about printers: some claim to have PCL support, but only
support PCL through a Windows software driver.  Some (like my HL-730) will
support PCL4 in hardware, and some higher level of PCL through software, which
is annoying because PCL4 only allows up to 300dpi.

HTH

Hubert



Re: Postfix question

2000-09-29 Thread Mark Brown
On Wed, Sep 27, 2000 at 07:42:46PM +, Pollywog wrote:

> Will putting these hosts in the /etc/postfix/access list suffice?
> I just thought of that, but it's too simple ;)

[One of the reasons for writing new text after old is that it provides
valuable context which makes it much easier to understand messages.
Anyway.]

> > to be received.  Is there some option in Postfix that would allow me to
> > receive mail from certain hosts with bad HELO or hostname info while
> > refusing
> > all others?  I know how to turn it off completely, but I want to be
> > selective.
> > I have read the docs but nothing applies.

You also need to specify the access list in the appropriate smtpd
restrictions class.  "check_client_access" should do what you want.  See
/usr/share/doc/postfix/examples/sample-smtpd.cf.gz for details.

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Re: forcing D-Link 530 into Full-Duplex

2000-09-29 Thread W. Paul Mills

Can't you just remove (unplug) the boot ROM?


> Date: Fri, 29 Sep 2000 14:37:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII
> 
> 
> hi ya paul...
> 
> thats wacky  and if one is lucky when you buy the 
> Dlink marked DF530TX+  i found some cards with the
> bootrom and some cards without the bootrom...
> ( i need the part w/out the bootrom...
> 
> oh welll
> alvin
> http://www.linux-1u.net. the 3-NIC 1U uses the dfe530tx+
> 
> On 29 Sep 2000, W. Paul Mills wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I don't think so! The rtl8139 driver is ONLY for the
> > DFE530TX+, the DFE530TX uses the via-rhine driver. They 
> > are not interchangeable.
> > 
> > 


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Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread David Z. Maze
Scott Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 DZM> Scott Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
  SP> Then, put the helixcode source in your /etc/apt/sources.list
  SP> file. Run a "apt-get update", "apt-get install task-helix-gnome"
  SP> and that should install everything...I hope. YMMV:)
  SP> 
 DZM> Well, you still need a valid Packages file.  And I doubt you
 DZM> actually want to maintain a mirror of the Helix site on your
 DZM> local machine, which is basically what this procedure would wind
 DZM> up doing.
SP> 
SP> Why would this be a mirror of the Helix code site.
SP> 
SP> Upon "apt-get update" you download the latest Packages.gz file
SP> (shouldn't take too long).  Then, upon "apt-get install/upgrade
SP> task-helix-gnome" is does the update.

I'm basically saying that you don't *need* the Packages.gz file from
Helix, especially if you know you have all of the .deb files you
need.  So you can skip the intermediate stage of downloading and/or
regenerating the Packages file here.  (All of the information in the
Packages file is also in the individual packages; dpkg-scanpackages
will create the Packages file from the packages.)

If you insist on using a Packages file, you'll either need to create
it by hand or duplicate the exact directory structure listed in that
file -- which basically means mirroring Helix.  In any case, running
'dpkg -i *.deb' will get the packages installed without going through
APT.

(To be fair, though, if you're a regular dselect user, creating a
Packages file does get you the advantage of having the files be listed 
as something other than "Obsolete/Local".  The same is probably true
of the other dpkg/APT frontends.)

SP> Now, things should happen in this order, I believe. First it
SP> checks to see if you have latest version already installed. If
SP> that is the case, you're done. Then, it checks for already
SP> downloaded versions (zip disk), that are not installed.  This is
SP> where you put any updates you need! If it's in the cache, it won't
SP> download it. Finally, apt-get will download any file not
SP> installed, or not found in the cache. If this is wrong, please
SP> explain why.

All this is correct.  After this, APT will run 'dpkg -i' on the files
in /var/cache/apt/archives; nothing stops you from doing it yourself
(and skipping over APT).

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Re: ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread Hubert Chan
Christopher Fonnesbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hubert,
> 
> Thanks for all the help.  It didnt work, however.  I still get various
> messages from my audio apps that tell me there is no sound.  I tried
> recompiling again using sound as modules, but it appears worse now.  The
> /dev/sndstat is very empty now.  I really have no idea what to do now. 
> Debian should really have a sound configuration tool like RedHat IMHO.
> 
> Chris

You might want to give ALSA a try.  It has a configuration program
(interestingly, called alsaconf).  AFAIK, it has support for less sound cards
than the kernel modules, but if you're just using a SoundBlaster, it should be
fine.

You'll need to install these packages:
alsa-base
alsa-modules-XXX
alsautils (or alsa-utils if you're using woody)
alsaconf
esound-alsa (and remove esound)
libasound0

If you're using a custom kernel, you should install alsa-source instead of
alsa-modules-.

Hubert



Helix Debian Packages and a weird error

2000-09-29 Thread cwalstrom
OK.  Weird error here, and I'm at a loss on how to track it down.  I'm
sending you this email because you're one of the Debian package
maintainers named "Peter".  I realize how thin this lead is, however.
Anyway, on to the error...

My home directories are automatically mounted via NIS and NFS with the
autofs package (automount utility).  Periodically, this error pops up
in my syslog:

---[ SYSLOG SNIP ]
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[251]: attempting to mount entry /home/peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: lookup(yp): looking up peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: lookup(yp): peter -> 
-rw,soft^Ishepard:/export/home/&
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: expanded entry: 
-rw,soft^Ishepard:/export/home/peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: parse(sun): gathered options: rw,soft
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: parse(sun): core of entry: 
shepard:/export/home/peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: mount(nfs): calling mkdir /home/peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: mount(nfs): calling mount -t nfs -s -o 
rw,soft shepard:/export/home/peter /home/peter
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: >> mount: shepard:/export/home/peter 
failed, reason given by server: No such file or directory
Sep 29 15:26:20 ws96-8 automount[14346]: mount(nfs): nfs: mount failure 
shepard:/export/home/peter on /home/peter
--

This is only one block of what amounts to spam in my syslog as some
application tries to browse the home directory of "peter".  Since it
does not find peter as a local user (my fix, by the way), it goes to
the NIS server.  There IS an entry for peter in the auto.passwd file,
but there is no export home directory on the NFS server for said
peter.

I haven't checked the frequency of this occurrance, my next step in
debugging this, but this is a very consistent and very rapid activity.
Much too rapid for any human trying to log in, lasting for up to two
minutes. (Throwing hundreds of records into syslog of the manner
above.)

OH!  Hey!  I found another attempt right after gconfd fired up while
running nautalis.  Then I found an attempt for this one...

--
Sep 29 16:47:48 ws96-8 automount[15108]: mount(nfs): calling mount -t nfs -s -o 
rw,soft shepard:/export/home/.nautilus-metafile.xml /home/.nautilus-metafile.xml
Sep 29 16:47:48 ws96-8 automount[15108]: >> mount: 
shepard:/export/home/.nautilus-metafile.xml failed, reason given by server: No 
such file or directory
--

Are we getting somewhere here?!  Woohoo!  So, it looks like the
problem lies with the Helix applications that are associated with
gconfd.  Have you programmed your name in as a default directory for
gconfd to look into?  (Assuming you're a contributor to the helix
project).

Doh.  Well, automount *is* still trying to mount the nautilus
metafile, but I can't get it to try to mount "peter" any more (well, I
did add a local user named "peter" in home.local).  Well, let me know
if you come up with anything.  I'm going to forward this to the Debian
User list as well to see if anyone else is having this problem.

I'll run some more tests w/o the local "peter" account and see if I
can associate with gconfd.

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Re: offtopic: OCR on linux

2000-09-29 Thread Carlos Menezes
Try this:
http://www.ime.usp.br/~ueda/clara/

More informations, e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Regards!

Carlos Menezes.

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> dear debian-users,
> (debian-user subscribers please answer privately as well).
> Does anyone have any good ocr-package for Linux which gives very good
> results on all kinds of texts including the somewhat worse cases like
> badly printed manuals and newspaper-articles.
>
> At this moment I'm relying on a windoz package for which I have to reboot
> constantly.
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Re: ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread Christopher Fonnesbeck
Hubert,

Thanks for all the help.  It didnt work, however.  I still get various
messages from my audio apps that tell me there is no sound.  I tried
recompiling again using sound as modules, but it appears worse now.  The
/dev/sndstat is very empty now.  I really have no idea what to do now. 
Debian should really have a sound configuration tool like RedHat IMHO.

Chris

Hubert Chan wrote:
> 
> Christopher Fonnesbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > I dont see what's wrong either!  When I try and start any audio
> > application, it claims that either the hardware is not detected or its
> > busy.  I am using GNOME -- could it be an ESD issue?
> 
> Probably a permissions issue.  /dev/dsp belongs to root and the audio group, 
> so
> to play sound (or to record for that matter), you need to be part of the audio
> group.
> 
> The way I did (I'm going by memory so it may not be 100% accurate) that is to
> uncomment the "auth optional pam_group.so" line from /etc/pam.d/login and copy
> it to /etc/pam.d/gdm as well.  That assuming that you use gdm to log in on the
> console normally.  If you use some other way, you may have to edit another
> file.
> 
> Then edit /etc/security/group.conf and add the lines
> 
> login; tty*; *; Al-2400; audio
> gdm; *; *; Al-2400; audio
> 
> (That second field in the last line looks wrong to me, but it's the only thing
> that worked for me.  Anyone want to tell me the right thing?)
> 
> You may want to change "audio" to "audio, floppy" so that you can access the
> floppy drive too.
> 
> The reason you would want to do it this way, instead of just adding yourself 
> to
> the audio group, is that if you log in remotely, you shouldn't be able to play
> sounds.  Or else the person sitting at the console may get confused.
> 
> HTH
> Hubert
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Re: forcing D-Link 530 into Full-Duplex

2000-09-29 Thread Alvin Oga

hi ya paul...

thats wacky  and if one is lucky when you buy the 
Dlink marked DF530TX+  i found some cards with the
bootrom and some cards without the bootrom...
( i need the part w/out the bootrom...

oh welll
alvin
http://www.linux-1u.net. the 3-NIC 1U uses the dfe530tx+

On 29 Sep 2000, W. Paul Mills wrote:

> 
> I don't think so! The rtl8139 driver is ONLY for the
> DFE530TX+, the DFE530TX uses the via-rhine driver. They 
> are not interchangeable.
> 
> 
> Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> : hi ya...
> 
> : try using the RT1839 driver instead ???
> 
> : have fun
> : alvin
> : http://www.linux-1U.net3 NIC 1Us.1U Raid5
> 
> : On 29 Sep 2000, Arcady Genkin wrote:
> 
> :> I have a D-Link 530 card using a compiled-in via-rhine driver as eth0.
> :> The card is talking to an identical card in a computer that runs
> :> FreeBSD.  I'm seeing collisions on the Linux side of the link, and am
> :> wondering what parameters I should pass the kernel to force the card
> :> into Full-duplex 100base mode, and how to pass those params.  (I
> :> already did that on the FreeBSD side).
> :> 
> :> FWIW, here's the output from ifconfig and dmesg:
> :> 
> :> ,[ dmesg ]
> :> | via-rhine.c:v1.01 2/27/99  Written by Donald Becker
> :> |   http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/via-rhine.html
> :> | eth0: VIA VT3043 Rhine at 0xe800, 00:50:ba:a9:13:f6, IRQ 10.
> :> | eth0: MII PHY found at address 8, status 0x782d advertising 05e1 Link 
> .
> :> |   PCI latency timer (CFLT) is unreasonably low at 32.  Setting to 64 
> clocks.
> :> `
> :> 
> :> ,[ ifconfig ]
> :> | eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:A9:13:F6  
> :> |   inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
> :> |   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> :> |   RX packets:448934 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> :> |   TX packets:266302 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> :> |   collisions:7766 txqueuelen:100 
> :> |   Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe800
> :> `
> :> 
> :> Thanks!
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Need advice on Postscript/PCL printer

2000-09-29 Thread Nicola Bernardelli
Hello,

Please CC to me any answer for I'm just on debian-laptop at the
moment, but I have renounced buying a portable printer so I may get
flamed if I ask there ;-) (not true of course, I've seen very nice
hints on formatting and printing ascii files recently on
debian-laptop).

I am to buy an entry level monochrome laser printer (it seems as when
it comes to text and music scores a 600dpi laser is better than any
inkjet) and of course I'm looking for one that works with
Debian. (I'll add some details just in case anybody else is interested
in the matter, I'm in Paris, France, so I guess the prices are not so
interesting on the list, anyway the three printers mentioned here are
more or less the same price.)

The Lexmark Optra E312 (600x600dpi, 4Mbytes RAM, 10ppm, 3 years
replacement-at-home warranty, relatively cheap toner cartridge [5000
pages] with builtin photoconductor) claims "Postscript2+pcl6
emulations". 

Could I just send to it the Postscript files produced with the tools
commonly used in Linux?

(It is not marked "Adobe Postscript" [and evidently not "Adobe
Postscript 3"], is it some "dialect" from IBM?)

I guess a PCL-only printer would also do, maybe via Ghostscript as a
translator, but what would it miss compared to a Postscript printer?

Actually, other candidates with PCL but no Postscript are:

- Brother HL-P2500, 600x600dpi, 4Mbytes, 12ppm, 600dpi builtin scanner
  but of course just for sheets and in good health, relatively cheap 
  toner cartridge (6000 pages) with no builtin photoconductor (2 
  pages), 1 year no replacement and of course not home serviced 
  warranty;

- Epson EPL-5800, 1200x1200dpi, 16Mbytes, more expensive fine grain 
  toner (6000 pages) with no builtin photoconductor (2 pages), 1 
  year no replacement and of course not home serviced warranty, among 
  the options there is "Adobe Postscript 3.0" but the price is nearly
  60% of the price without it!

Thanks for any advice,
Nicola Bernardelli



Re: pine (again!)

2000-09-29 Thread steph
Yup...either look for /usr/src/pine4 or /usr/src/pine...there's a wonderful 
README that actually tells each gory little step of the process. Works very well

Alpha



Re: Anyone want a utility to find the best mirror?

2000-09-29 Thread Jim Lisi
> Joe Emenaker wrote:
> 
> Some time ago, I asked about any utility that could take a list of
> machines
> and find the one that's closest, so that I could find the best mirror
> to
> point dselect to. Someone responded that I should try "netselect",
> which did
> help a lot. However, netselect has a couple of shortcomings:
> 
>   o It only tests ping times, not actual transfer rates of data
>   o It doesn't check to see if there's an ftp server there.
>   o It doesn't check to see if the ftp server accepts anonymous login
>   o It doesn't check to see if the ftp server even *still* mirrors the
> debian tree
> 
> These last two are a real pain... especially the last one. Many of the
> sites
> I tried first in the mirrrors list didn't have the debian tree
> anymore.
> Hrmph!
> 
> So, anyway I broke down and wrote a little perl script which takes
> a
> README.mirrors.txt and tries to connect to each of the mirrors listed.
> It
> tries to connect anonymously and tries to navagate to the directory
> where
> the debian tree is supposed to be and then it actually tries to
> download a
> file from the site to see what kind of transfer rate it gets.
> 
> It does *not* check for *currency* of the mirror. In other words, if
> the
> files in the mirror are all 6 months old, the script will not pick
> that
> up yet. I do plan, however, to make it sense that and take that
> into
> account.
> 
> Anyway, if anybody wants to give it a whirl, I'm open to some
> beta-testing.
> 
> - Joe

Sounds interesting, I'd be willing to beta-test it.

Jim



Re: pine (again!)

2000-09-29 Thread Adam Shand

> Mind you, I don't understand how come the debs don't compile "out of
> the box", but that's another matter.

if the binaries don't run it's a pretty sure guess that something weird is
going on.  i would solve that first.  you can grab a debian package of
pine from:

http://members.mint.net/frodo/pine/

but until you solve that i wouldn't bother with trying to compile it.

as far as compiling it if you have the deb-src line in your
/etc/apt/sources.list file (sorry can't remember exact syntax off the top
of my head) you should be able to do so with a line like:

# apt-get --compile source pine

finally, i would guess that the reson you can't compile pine is because
you are missing a library package which is required.  one of the tricky
things about debian source packages is that dependancies are
supported.  you are responsible to make sure your system has all the
needed libraries.  a good rough guide to figure out which libraries are
required is to look at the depends line for the binary version an dmake
sure you have all the libraries and libraries-dev packages
installed.  sometimes it can be extra tricky because the -dev packages
aren't obviously named, but it's a good place to start.

if you then try and compile and you get an error with a missing .h file go
to the debian search page and search for which package contains that
file.  you can find the package search page at:

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages.html

good luck, hope that helps.

adam.



Re: bitchx and forward delete key

2000-09-29 Thread C. Falconer

At 03:34 PM 9/29/00 -0400, you wrote:

Is there any reason that anyone would object if I changed the forward delete
key to do something sane, like delete forward, instead of toggling cloaking?

Replies just to me, please.


I don't have an answer to your question sorry - but why request replies not 
go to the list?  I happen to have started using bitchx at work, and I might 
be interested in someones answer... also the thread can diverge into 
another semi-related area which other people will find interesting.


Just a thought.

--
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Re: ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread Hubert Chan
Christopher Fonnesbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I dont see what's wrong either!  When I try and start any audio
> application, it claims that either the hardware is not detected or its
> busy.  I am using GNOME -- could it be an ESD issue?

Probably a permissions issue.  /dev/dsp belongs to root and the audio group, so
to play sound (or to record for that matter), you need to be part of the audio
group.

The way I did (I'm going by memory so it may not be 100% accurate) that is to
uncomment the "auth optional pam_group.so" line from /etc/pam.d/login and copy
it to /etc/pam.d/gdm as well.  That assuming that you use gdm to log in on the
console normally.  If you use some other way, you may have to edit another
file.

Then edit /etc/security/group.conf and add the lines

login; tty*; *; Al-2400; audio
gdm; *; *; Al-2400; audio

(That second field in the last line looks wrong to me, but it's the only thing
that worked for me.  Anyone want to tell me the right thing?)

You may want to change "audio" to "audio, floppy" so that you can access the
floppy drive too.

The reason you would want to do it this way, instead of just adding yourself to
the audio group, is that if you log in remotely, you shouldn't be able to play
sounds.  Or else the person sitting at the console may get confused.

HTH
Hubert

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Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread Scott_Patterson



Scott Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I recently installed Potato and I'm having difficulty installing HelixGnome.
>> Rather than perform an installation over the modem at home, I downloaded all
>> of the .deb files using the leased line at work, took them home via Zip disk
>> and tried to perform an installation from the local hard disk.
(Details of APT muckage skipped)
>> Any help appreciated,
>>
>> Jamie MacIsaac.
SP>
SP> Whenever you donwload an update, it stores that file on disk. Now
SP> I'm guessing that apt-get looks at the cache (stored disk file)
SP> first, to see if you already have it. It must, because it can
SP> continue interrupted downloads. So, simply put all the helixcode
SP> files from your zip disk into the cache directory on your
SP> workstations hard drive. Then, put the helixcode source in your
SP> /etc/apt/sources.list file. Run a "apt-get update", "apt-get
SP> install task-helix-gnome" and that should install everything...I
SP> hope. YMMV:)

>Well, you still need a valid Packages file.  And I doubt you actually
>want to maintain a mirror of the Helix site on your local machine,
>which is basically what this procedure would wind up doing.

Why would this be a mirror of the Helix code site.

Upon "apt-get update" you download the latest Packages.gz file (shouldn't take
too long).

Then, upon "apt-get install/upgrade task-helix-gnome" is does the update. Now,
things should happen in this order, I believe. First it checks to see if you
have latest version already installed. If that is the case, you're done. Then,
it checks for already downloaded versions (zip disk), that are not installed.
This is where you put any updates you need! If it's in the cache, it won't
download it. Finally, apt-get will download any file not installed, or not found
in the cache. If this is wrong, please explain why.

Scott









Re: pine (again!)

2000-09-29 Thread cls-colo spgs
...some sort of licensing issue is the sticking point.


Daniel Lesage wrote:

> [snip]

>
> Mind you, I don't understand how come the debs don't compile "out of the
> box", but that's another matter.
>

[snip]





pine (again!)

2000-09-29 Thread Daniel Lesage
Hi all.

Is there a definitive document anywhere that describes how to compile pine
for Debian?

Every time I try to compile it, whether from the deb package or the
sources, I run into the same problems. And I still don't know how to fix
them. And the binary version doesn't work either.

Mind you, I don't understand how come the debs don't compile "out of the
box", but that's another matter.

Thanks,
Dan.



Re: ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread Christopher Fonnesbeck
I dont see what's wrong either!  When I try and start any audio
application, it claims that either the hardware is not detected or its
busy.  I am using GNOME -- could it be an ESD issue?

Thanks,
Chris

William T Wilson wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Christopher Fonnesbeck wrote:
> 
> > tried modules as well), and the sound card does get picked up and
> > "configured", albeit not correctly.
> 
> I cannot see what is wrong with the configuration you show here.  It seems
> that it is finding the card and configuring it.  Are the addresses
> wrong?  If they are correct, the card should work fine.
> 
> But I've never used MPU-401.  So I don't know if that works or not given
> this output.  But the wave-audio should be ok.

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University of Georgia
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Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread Robb Kidd
Hubert Chan wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> > >I've tried adding a line to the top of my sources.list file ("deb
> > >file://home/jmi/debian/ unstable main" - the files themselves are in
> > >/home/jmi/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/) and running 'apt-get
>
> Change the line in sources.list to "deb file://home/jmi/debian/ woody main"
> ^
> [...] Make sure you don't forget the
> "/" after "helix" or it won't work.  (not 100% sure about the syntax for the
> deb line, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

Also, only a single "/" after "file:" == "deb file:/home/jmi/debian/ (etc)"



Re: no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread Robb Kidd
cls-colo spgs wrote:

> i can ping myself, but nothing else...not natural
> further,  i don't have a /var/log/ ppp.log, so i can't
> see what's really going on.
> ...suggestions?

'tail -f /var/log/messages' - pon/poff sends its log entries to 'messages' 
by
default.



Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread Hubert Chan
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> >Hi,
> >
> >I recently installed Potato and I'm having difficulty installing HelixGnome.
> >Rather than perform an installation over the modem at home, I downloaded all
> >of the .deb files using the leased line at work, took them home via Zip disk
> >and tried to perform an installation from the local hard disk.
> >
> >I've tried adding a line to the top of my sources.list file ("deb
> >file://home/jmi/debian/ unstable main" - the files themselves are in
> >/home/jmi/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/) and running 'apt-get

Change the line in sources.list to "deb file://home/jmi/debian/ woody main"
^
or rename the directory to /home/jmi/debian/dists/unstable/main/binary-i386,
or symlink /home/jmi/debian/dists/unstable to /home/jmi/debian/woody (which is
actually what the Debian sites do).

Since you are just using the deb files to install on a single machine, an even
better solution would be to put the files in /home/jmi/debian/helix, and put
the line "deb file://home/jmi/debian/ helix/".  Make sure you don't forget the
"/" after "helix" or it won't work.  (not 100% sure about the syntax for the
deb line, so someone correct me if I'm wrong.)

Hubert



Re: ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Christopher Fonnesbeck wrote:

> tried modules as well), and the sound card does get picked up and
> "configured", albeit not correctly.

I cannot see what is wrong with the configuration you show here.  It seems
that it is finding the card and configuring it.  Are the addresses
wrong?  If they are correct, the card should work fine.

But I've never used MPU-401.  So I don't know if that works or not given
this output.  But the wave-audio should be ok.




Re: List of packages..

2000-09-29 Thread Bob Brown
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Hi..
> 
> Where can I obtain a full list of packages of Debian 2.2?


http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/

> 
> p.d.: Where can I obtain a Dselect HOWTO?.
>

http://www.debian.org/doc/

The debian site is one of the most comprehensive you will find.  Good
reading:)

-- 
"" Never "  is the absence of a deadline ,
and " impossible"  has never been proven . "
Pam Scherzer



no ppp.log

2000-09-29 Thread cls-colo spgs
debs,

i installed potato, like usual.  via pon, i can dialout
to my isp, but i don't know if there's a connect since
i can't ping--the cursor just goes to the next line and
waits.i triple checked the dns entries and the
other pppconfig stuff.

i can ping myself, but nothing else...not natural
further,  i don't have a /var/log/ ppp.log, so i can't
see what's really going on.

...suggestions?

ia, t.

bentley taylor.
 (potato on 2.2.17)

//



Unidentified subject!

2000-09-29 Thread dochawk
-- 
cc: 
Subject: my .signature is gone in nmh
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii


I've noticed that my .signature is no longer included, either from the 
command line or when using exmh.  It still seems to be there:

fac13pts/0:hawk>ls -l .signature 
-rwx--1 hawk hawk  155 Aug 16 16:22 .signature


Any ideas?

hawk




Operating Systems

2000-09-29 Thread Dee Laws
I would like to request a complete product list of all debian versions,
Service packs etc... for a research of comparison on multiple versions of
Linux/Unix.

Dee A. Laws
Security Analyst
 <<...>> SecureInfo Corp



ongoing sound problems

2000-09-29 Thread Christopher Fonnesbeck
Hello,

I'm having a great deal of trouble getting my Soundblaster card to work
in Debian 2.2.  Is there a Debian equivalent to sndconfig for RedHat?  I
have sound support and the drivers installed into the kernel (I have
tried modules as well), and the sound card does get picked up and
"configured", albeit not correctly.

Here's the dmesg:

Sound initialization started
 at 0x220 irq 10 dma 1,5
Sound initialization complete

And here is my /dev/sndstat:

S/Free:3.8s2++-971130
Load type: Driver compiled into kernel
Kernel: Linux fisher 2.2.17 #1 Thu Sep 28 16:51:23 EDT 2000 i686
Config options: 0

Installed drivers: 
Type 26: MPU-401 (UART)
Type 2: Sound Blaster
Type 29: Sound Blaster PnP
Type 7: SB MPU-401

Card config: 
Sound Blaster at 0x220 irq 10 drq 1,5
(SB MPU-401 at 0x330 irq 10 drq 0)

Audio devices:
0: Sound Blaster 16 (4.16) (DUPLEX)

Synth devices:

Midi devices:

Timers:
0: System clock

Mixers:
0: Sound Blaster

Any help much appreciated.

TIA,
Chris

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 Research Unit
University of Georgia
Athens, GA  30602-2152

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Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread David Z Maze
Scott Patterson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>> I recently installed Potato and I'm having difficulty installing HelixGnome.
>> Rather than perform an installation over the modem at home, I downloaded all
>> of the .deb files using the leased line at work, took them home via Zip disk
>> and tried to perform an installation from the local hard disk.
(Details of APT muckage skipped)
>> Any help appreciated,
>> 
>> Jamie MacIsaac.
SP> 
SP> Whenever you donwload an update, it stores that file on disk. Now
SP> I'm guessing that apt-get looks at the cache (stored disk file)
SP> first, to see if you already have it. It must, because it can
SP> continue interrupted downloads. So, simply put all the helixcode
SP> files from your zip disk into the cache directory on your
SP> workstations hard drive. Then, put the helixcode source in your
SP> /etc/apt/sources.list file. Run a "apt-get update", "apt-get
SP> install task-helix-gnome" and that should install everything...I
SP> hope. YMMV:)

Well, you still need a valid Packages file.  And I doubt you actually
want to maintain a mirror of the Helix site on your local machine,
which is basically what this procedure would wind up doing.

Instead, you're probably better off just ignoring APT for this
particular problem.  Take your Helix .deb files, drop them in some
directory or another, become root, and run 'dpkg --install *.deb'.
That should do the job for you; if there are dependency problems, dpkg 
will give an error message.  (APT would try to go off and download
things to fulfil the dependencies automatically.)

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"Theoretical politics is interesting.  Politicking should be illegal."
-- Abra Mitchell



Re: laptop hot swapping

2000-09-29 Thread William T Wilson
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, David Smock wrote:

> stuff works great.  My only problem is hot swapping drives - is there
> any way to get linux to recognize the fact that ive changed block
> devices?

You mean you swap between floppy and CDROM drives?

If you compile these drivers as modules you should get the desired effect
by unloading the CDROM module before you take it out, and then loading the
floppy module after it is connected.  You may have to boot with the CD-ROM
in in order for it to ever show up.  And you will probably have to compile
the kernel so the CD-ROM uses SCSI emulation, too.  This is also subject
to being able to compile the floppy driver as a module.  (Having never
seen the need to do this, I don't know whether it is possible or not).

If you do all this, I think it would probably work :}



bitchx and forward delete key

2000-09-29 Thread Daniel Jacobowitz
Is there any reason that anyone would object if I changed the forward delete
key to do something sane, like delete forward, instead of toggling cloaking?

Replies just to me, please.

Dan

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offtopic: OCR on linux

2000-09-29 Thread A. Demarteau \(linux rules!\)
dear debian-users,
(debian-user subscribers please answer privately as well).
Does anyone have any good ocr-package for Linux which gives very good
results on all kinds of texts including the somewhat worse cases like
badly printed manuals and newspaper-articles.

At this moment I'm relying on a windoz package for which I have to reboot
constantly.

---
Andor Demarteau
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
---



Re: Local installation of Helix

2000-09-29 Thread Scott_Patterson




>Hi,
>
>I recently installed Potato and I'm having difficulty installing HelixGnome.
>Rather than perform an installation over the modem at home, I downloaded all
>of the .deb files using the leased line at work, took them home via Zip disk
>and tried to perform an installation from the local hard disk.
>
>I've tried adding a line to the top of my sources.list file ("deb
>file://home/jmi/debian/ unstable main" - the files themselves are in
>/home/jmi/debian/dists/woody/main/binary-i386/) and running 'apt-get
>update', but it just tells me that it can't find the Packages file in the
>/var/cache. I know that the Packages file is there, but I get the feeling
>that there's simply something wrong with the entry I've made to the
>sources.list.
>
>Am I taking the completely wrong approach to this, or can anyone see
>something incorrect with the line I've added to the sources.list (this might
>be more of a HelixGnome question than a Debian question, but I'd like to
>gain any insight I can into how to properly configure apt)?
>
>Any help appreciated,
>
>Jamie MacIsaac.

Probably not the best solution, and I haven't tried it, but here we go...

Whenever you donwload an update, it stores that file on disk. Now I'm guessing
that apt-get looks at the cache (stored disk file) first, to see if you already
have it. It must, because it can continue interrupted downloads. So, simply put
all the helixcode files from your zip disk into the cache directory on your
workstations hard drive. Then, put the helixcode source in your
/etc/apt/sources.list file. Run a "apt-get update", "apt-get install
task-helix-gnome" and that should install everything...I hope. YMMV:)

Scott





Need Debian Perl mods to cooexist w/ CPAM style mods!

2000-09-29 Thread John Foster
I am trying to get the Debian style libxx-perlmodules.deb to work,
recognize, or otherwise co-exist with CPAN style modules for perl. Is
there a wrapper for Debian to install  the CPAN mods, or some means to
convert them to debian style. I have several perl applications that do
not seem to recognize that the correct perl module is installed because
it has been debianized. ANY help please!! The main culprit seems to be
the Digest::MD5 module. If any debianized module is installed CPAN does
not recognize it as a valid installation. It does reccommend removing
the incorrect links if I install the CPAN module. Thanks for any tips.
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laptop hot swapping

2000-09-29 Thread David Smock
I have a Dell Inspiron 5000 running debian woody, and all the apm stuff works 
great.  My only problem is hot swapping drives - is there any way to get linux 
to recognize the fact that ive changed block devices?  

I've tried suspending and swapping, but no dice either - the kernel is still 
thinking a cdrom is on /dev/hdc

Any ideas?

David Smock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]



Re: SW under /usr/local/

2000-09-29 Thread Sven Burgener
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 11:47:29AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> >"Colin" == Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >> Sven Burgener <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>> I use GNU stow, but never actually saw anyone suggesting this to be
> >>> *the* method.
> >
> >> You have now ;) That's exactly how I deal with it, and I haven't
> >> seen anything that can do the job as well ...

:)

> >> And the symlink algorithm it uses just *rocks*.

Sure does.

> When you want to uninstall the package, you just cd to /usr/local/stow
> again and type 'stow -D ', and it'll do the symlink magic
> in reverse; then you can delete /usr/local/stow/ in one
> go.

That's the whole beauty of it.

Thanks for all the replies.

Sven
-- 
The best way to escape from a problem is to solve it. 



Re: printer setup in Debian 2.2

2000-09-29 Thread Blair M. Cummings

as root apt-get install printtool

Same program used in RedHat

Good Luck

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Seung-woo Nam wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> I was just wondering if there is a printer setup tool in debian like
> printtool in redhat. My printer is hp deskjet 694c and it just spits out
> garbage under debian.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Seung-woo Nam
> 
> 
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access lists in qmail

2000-09-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://www.summersault.com/chris/techno/qmail/qmail-antispam.html


im reading this, and was hoping there was another way to go about blocking
spam, something along the lines of sendmail's access list, where i can
have:

123.456.789 550 die spammer die!!
3.2.1.5 REJECT


etc..etc. i much prefer the ability to put in custom 550 messages both as
messages to the spammer and notes to myself(inc the date and stuff) from
what i see qmail doesn't have this ability ?? and i dont want to use a 3rd
party service or block them at the ip level..i want it done from within
smtpd. and i'd like to avoid patching the source if possible

looks as if i will hve to reccomend switching to sendmail though(i like it
more anyways :) )

nate


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Re: The list configuration (bounced messages)

2000-09-29 Thread John Hasler
Arcady Genkin writes:
> Is this a list misconfiguration...

No.  It's misconfiguration of the servers sending those messages.

> ...can I configure something on my side not to get those messages?

You can install mailagent or procmail and configure it to filter them out.
-- 
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F2 key programming

2000-09-29 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello  Thomas, Further to e-mail from Julio Merino on how to make the F2
key emit "|more\C-m"
(i.e.  put into ~.inputrc the line"\e[[B": "|more\C-m" ) I found,
after much fruitless searching, that
my F2 key has the string "\eOQ" instead attached and F10 has  "\e[21~" .

I found this via a small C-program which I wrote. I now have the two
lines in my ~.inputrc
"\eOQ":"|more\C-m"
"\e[21~":"ls -l"   #F10 emits "ls-l"
and all is well!
This shows one of the problems with Linux: some necessary information
is very hard to find.
Ivan




printer setup in Debian 2.2

2000-09-29 Thread Seung-woo Nam
Hi:

I was just wondering if there is a printer setup tool in debian like
printtool in redhat. My printer is hp deskjet 694c and it just spits out
garbage under debian.

Thanks

Seung-woo Nam



The list configuration (bounced messages)

2000-09-29 Thread Arcady Genkin
Every time I post to this list I get at least three bounces saying
that this or that user's mailbox is full and the message could not be
delivered.

Is this a list misconfiguration (which should be reported as a bug) or
can I configure something on my side not to get those messages?
-- 
Arcady Genkin
Don't read everything you believe.



Re: X question - not the mouse!

2000-09-29 Thread Hubert Chan
Olaf Meeuwissen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Look in /etc/X11/XF86Config for DefaultColorDepth and change it to
> your liking.

Or, if you can't find DefaultColorDepth, it goes in the "Screen" section.

Hubert



Re: forcing D-Link 530 into Full-Duplex

2000-09-29 Thread Arcady Genkin
Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> try using the RT1839 driver instead ???

Well, I know that I'm using the correct driver.  My question is ``How
do I pass it parameters; and what parameters should I pass to force it
into full-duplex?''

> > I have a D-Link 530 card using a compiled-in via-rhine driver as eth0.
> > The card is talking to an identical card in a computer that runs
> > FreeBSD.  I'm seeing collisions on the Linux side of the link, and am
> > wondering what parameters I should pass the kernel to force the card
> > into Full-duplex 100base mode, and how to pass those params.  (I
> > already did that on the FreeBSD side).
> > 
> > FWIW, here's the output from ifconfig and dmesg:
> > 
> > ,[ dmesg ]
> > | via-rhine.c:v1.01 2/27/99  Written by Donald Becker
> > |   http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/via-rhine.html
> > | eth0: VIA VT3043 Rhine at 0xe800, 00:50:ba:a9:13:f6, IRQ 10.
> > | eth0: MII PHY found at address 8, status 0x782d advertising 05e1 Link 
> > .
> > |   PCI latency timer (CFLT) is unreasonably low at 32.  Setting to 64 
> > clocks.
> > `
> > 
> > ,[ ifconfig ]
> > | eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:A9:13:F6  
> > |   inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
> > |   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> > |   RX packets:448934 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> > |   TX packets:266302 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
> > |   collisions:7766 txqueuelen:100 
> > |   Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe800
> > `
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Re: Where can I find a .deb for ipppd?

2000-09-29 Thread Moritz Schulte
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Where can I find a .deb for ipppd?

ipppd is in the isdnutils package, which can be found on a debian
mirror.

moritz
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Re: Minimum hardware requirements? Web-based version?

2000-09-29 Thread Mike Fedyk
Dawn Miller wrote:
> 
> I have a client who uses Debian GNU/Linux (versions 2.2.6, 2.2.13, 2.0.18 and 
> 2.1.?) on four of their servers.

You are referencing Linux Kernel versions.  This is the very core of the system,
and can run with very small requirements.

The real question is "What do you want to do with it?".

> 
> I have two questions that I am trying to get answered for them, and did not 
> find the info on the Debian web site:
> 
> 1)  What are the minimum hardware requirements for installing Debian 
> GNU/Linux?   Will this change for near-future versions (next 18 mos or so)?

I have a 486 DX4 100 with 40 MB ram.

  It is doing this for me:
* File serving to Windows (samba)
* Web server (developing web sites)
* DHCP server (automatic IP assign)
* Half Life Server (Yes, you can run a three player game on a 486!)
* Email Server (sending [smtp with exim] and receiving [pop3 with 
qpopper]

Soon I will be adding a Fax server and web proxy to that list.

With this setup, I still have memory and processor speed left over.

Please reply (to the list) and let us know what you want to do with your linux
computer.

> 
> 2)  Is there (or will there be) a web-based version of this product available?
> 

Debian is the environment surrounding the Linux Kernel.  That is like asking if
there will be a web based version of windows.

Please clarify.  Do you man remote configuration?  What part do you want to be
web based?

> Thank you in advance for any assistance you can provide.
> 
> Dawn Miller
> 
> Dawn R. Miller
> Moss Adams Advisory Services
> (206) 442-2676
> (800) 243-4936 x2676
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Re: forcing D-Link 530 into Full-Duplex

2000-09-29 Thread W. Paul Mills

I don't think so! The rtl8139 driver is ONLY for the
DFE530TX+, the DFE530TX uses the via-rhine driver. They 
are not interchangeable.


Alvin Oga <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

: hi ya...

: try using the RT1839 driver instead ???

: have fun
: alvin
: http://www.linux-1U.net3 NIC 1Us.1U Raid5

: On 29 Sep 2000, Arcady Genkin wrote:

:> I have a D-Link 530 card using a compiled-in via-rhine driver as eth0.
:> The card is talking to an identical card in a computer that runs
:> FreeBSD.  I'm seeing collisions on the Linux side of the link, and am
:> wondering what parameters I should pass the kernel to force the card
:> into Full-duplex 100base mode, and how to pass those params.  (I
:> already did that on the FreeBSD side).
:> 
:> FWIW, here's the output from ifconfig and dmesg:
:> 
:> ,[ dmesg ]
:> | via-rhine.c:v1.01 2/27/99  Written by Donald Becker
:> |   http://cesdis.gsfc.nasa.gov/linux/drivers/via-rhine.html
:> | eth0: VIA VT3043 Rhine at 0xe800, 00:50:ba:a9:13:f6, IRQ 10.
:> | eth0: MII PHY found at address 8, status 0x782d advertising 05e1 Link .
:> |   PCI latency timer (CFLT) is unreasonably low at 32.  Setting to 64 
clocks.
:> `
:> 
:> ,[ ifconfig ]
:> | eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:50:BA:A9:13:F6  
:> |   inet addr:192.168.1.2  Bcast:192.168.1.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
:> |   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
:> |   RX packets:448934 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
:> |   TX packets:266302 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
:> |   collisions:7766 txqueuelen:100 
:> |   Interrupt:10 Base address:0xe800
:> `
:> 
:> Thanks!
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:> 
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Re: List of packages..

2000-09-29 Thread Steve Juranich
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Where can I obtain a full list of packages of Debian 2.2?
> 

try:
http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

> p.d.: Where can I obtain a Dselect HOWTO?.
> 

How about "man dselect"?  Speaking from one Debian newbie to (apparently)
another, bag dselect.  Try and use apt-get instead.  It's a _lot_ less
painful.

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Re: init 3 does nothing

2000-09-29 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Dave Sherohman wrote:

> On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 04:27:20PM +0200, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:
> > Your 2nd suggestion worked OK, but I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to 
> > define a new
> > (unused) runlevel that doesn't start X (say 7) and then 'init 7' whenever I 
> > feel like
> > shutting down X? Does this sound possible, and if so, how do I find out how 
> > to do it?
>
> No need to define a new runlevel, just use update-rc.d.  Debian sets up
> runlevels 2-5 as identical to each other with the expectation that users who
> want to use them for process/daemon control will customize the runlevels to
> their personal taste.  (Note:  Those Red Hat guys probably told you that the
> default runlevel is 5, but Debian's default is 2.)

Thanks, I'll remember that, but it's moot now, at least for a while.

I attempted the upgrade from 2.0 to 2.1, and couldn't get past a circular 
dependency on
libc6 in dselect. I used the Q option to say "accept this", continued with the 
upgrade, and
all seemed well. Then, whenever I tried to do anything I get a very ominous 
response. Take
this for example:

# ls -l
Segmentation fault

# shutdown -r now
Segmentation fault

#
masses of error messages, interspersed with "Segmentation fault" errors 
(rebooted eventually
thank goodness, or I wouldn't be in OS/2 now, writing this).

So I guess I have no Linux system now. Scratch everything and try again in a 
month or so.
Maybe 2.2 will install OK, but I must admit I'm beginning to doubt it. I've 
been trying, on
and off, to get Linux working for about 5 years, but my 21 years experience in 
this business
just isn't enough.

Sometimes I envy all you Linux gurus  (=people who have got Linux installed OK) 
out there,
it must be really nice to have cracked the puzzle. Maybe I'll solve it when 
Linux reaches
its 10th birthday, and woody is stable, who knows? I'm not being sarcastic, 
BTW, just a
little frustrated...

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List of packages..

2000-09-29 Thread w-valbue
Hi..

Where can I obtain a full list of packages of Debian 2.2?

Because yestarday i tried to install the full version and the systems asked
me a lot of questions from software that I don´t know.

Thanks..

p.d.: Where can I obtain a Dselect HOWTO?.



Re: Like expr, but for floating point numbers?

2000-09-29 Thread Brendan Cully
perl? :)

or maybe bc can be convinced to take stdin/stdout...

On Thursday, 28 September 2000 at 10:28, Krzys Majewski wrote:
> I  would like to  have something  like "expr",  but not  restricted to
> integers. For example, I have a bunch of numbers:
> 99
> 100
> 99
> 98
> 100
> . 
> . 
> . 
> 
> and I take their average with "awk". This gives me some floating point
> number. Now I would like to  compare, in a shell script, this floating
> point number to some  other floating point  number. How do  people do
> this? -chris


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Re: Gnome sounds

2000-09-29 Thread Jonathan Markevich
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 05:33:51PM -0400, Noah L. Meyerhans wrote:

Bingo!  Actually, I had *just* found it before I got this message.  Note:
"Mapped" means window open and "Unmapped" means window closed.  How
user-friendly is that?

> Wouldn't the sound effects associated with opening and closing windows be
> a function of your window manager?  What are you using?  If you're running
> sawfish then I know it's got its own sound configuration.  You can get to
> it from within GNOME's configuration control panel or from Sawfish's
> config app.  Then there's GNOME's sound configuration, *also* available in
> the GNOME control panel, which would seem to control sounds for different
> events.
> 
> I may be wrong, or you may have already pursued these roads...
>
> noah
> 
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, Jonathan Markevich wrote:
> 
> > I just want to get rid of *some* of the sounds, but it's determined to have
> > all or none.

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Searching for a Terminal-emulator vt420-vt520

2000-09-29 Thread Andre Strenger
Hi All,
I am searching for a terminal-emulator who speaks DEC VT420,
VT500 or VT520 (for X11). 
Have anybody a little hint for me ???
Thanks for help and Greetings from Germany !
Regards
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Re: apt-get, gnome-apt, dselect, which to use?

2000-09-29 Thread Lehel Bernadt

On 29-Sep-2000 Michael P. Soulier wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 09:54:29AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote:
> 
>> Description:   dpkg -s pacakge
>> List all files:dpkg -L pacakge
>> list all packages: dpkg -l
> 
> So, does that mean apt-get's cache is shared with dpkg then? I
> thought
> they were separate, due to the apt-cache program. I'm actually a little
> confused about what dbs exist, and what is updated when I do an apt-get
> update. 

dpkg's database s in /var/lib/dpkg. apt has the package lists in
/var/state/apt/lists, and the cache (the binary database & packages) in
/var/cache/apt.

So if you do an apt-get update, only apt's lists are updated (unless you
use the dselect apt method, which merges the apt database with dpkg's).
With apt-cache you search the binary db of apt.

dpkg knows about a package only if the package description is in his
available list. Thus if a new package appears in apt's list, apt-cache will
know about it, but dpkg won't (unless you install the package).

 
>> Preben Vim user. No emacs installed.
> 
> Here here. Vim rocks. 

Agreed :)



Re: Subject: ATA-100, UDMA100, LILO

2000-09-29 Thread Vincent_Gaines

This works if I do not use an ATAPI CDROM: from the manual

page 79 ( ver 1.02)

" Make sure the ATAPI CD-ROM you want to use in the boot sequence is
connected to eigther the PRIMARY or SECONDARY IDE connectors, not to the
ATA100 connectors. Currently the Promise Ultra DMA /100 chip does not
support this feature."



Re: init 3 does nothing

2000-09-29 Thread Dave Sherohman
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 04:27:20PM +0200, Peter Hugosson-Miller wrote:
> Your 2nd suggestion worked OK, but I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to 
> define a new
> (unused) runlevel that doesn't start X (say 7) and then 'init 7' whenever I 
> feel like
> shutting down X? Does this sound possible, and if so, how do I find out how 
> to do it?

No need to define a new runlevel, just use update-rc.d.  Debian sets up
runlevels 2-5 as identical to each other with the expectation that users who
want to use them for process/daemon control will customize the runlevels to
their personal taste.  (Note:  Those Red Hat guys probably told you that the
default runlevel is 5, but Debian's default is 2.)

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/var/spool/mail on NFS

2000-09-29 Thread A Mennucc1

hi

I have two machines with Debian potato on it,
and kernel 2.2.17; first one is called Tonelli, 
second one is called Fubini

I have install  nfs-common and nfs-server on both

I have set NFS export on Tonelli, putting 

/var/spool/mail 192.84.155.216(rw,no_root_squash)


in  /etc/exports

then I have mounted the same directory
in Fubini, using mount options
 rw,soft
 
 
when I try to read my email using mutt, it says 

 fcntl errno = 37

and the mailbox is readonly

exim  at Fubini is also not able to lock
and deliver email

what am I doing wrong?


a.


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Re: XF86Setup Mouse Problems

2000-09-29 Thread Carel Fellinger
On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 09:29:39PM -0400, Daniel Stehm wrote:
...
> after selecting that protocol. To make a long story short, ive tried
> everything, yet my mouse STILL does not respond after applying changes and
> selecting a mouse protocol. Hoping to get some help with this if anyone can,
> appreciate it in advance.

You realise that you also have to set the port? for a ps/2 mouse that's
/dev/psaux. And you also have to include ps/2 support in the kernel,
normally by loading a module?

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Where can I find a .deb for ipppd?

2000-09-29 Thread grecasav
Where can I find a .deb for ipppd?

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Configuring gtcd to read cddb info

2000-09-29 Thread Mário Jorge Nunes Filipe
Hi

Does anyone know the config that i need to place in gtcd so that it can get
info from cddb.

I'm behibd a firewall so i must use http, preferably on port 8080 (other
ports implicate tinquering with the firewall wich is bad...)

Thank you
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Re: init 3 does nothing

2000-09-29 Thread Peter Hugosson-Miller
Colin Watson wrote:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >I'm running debian 2.0, and thinking about upgrading to 2.1.
>
> Hmm, you should probably go for 2.2 now, if you can ...

Well, first things first - upgrade 2.0 to 2.2 isn't supported!

> >I want to shut down X, so that I can do some upgrading of  X-related
> >stuff, without sawing off the branch I'm standing on, so to speak.
> >
> >I was advised to try 'init 3', but this does nothing.
>
> You've been talking to Red Hat users :) Debian has a different runlevel
> architecture, so there's no non-X runlevel.
>
> Try '/etc/init.d/xdm stop' to shut down the X Display Manager. I wasn't
> around at the time of Debian 2.0, so if /etc/init.d/xdm didn't exist
> then look through /etc/init.d and see if there's anything similar.
>
> Alternatively, you could always just Ctrl-Alt-F1 and log in there; even
> if X dies it won't matter, as you won't be depending on it.

Your 2nd suggestion worked OK, but I wonder if it wouldn't be possible to 
define a new
(unused) runlevel that doesn't start X (say 7) and then 'init 7' whenever I 
feel like
shutting down X? Does this sound possible, and if so, how do I find out how to 
do it?

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Re: apt-get, gnome-apt, dselect, which to use?

2000-09-29 Thread Remco van 't Veer
I use apt-cache (also in the apt package) to see what packages are
available.

$ apt-cache search jdk
jdk1.1-dev - JDK 1.1.x (Java Development Kit)
ibm-jdk1.1-installer - Installer for IBM Developer Kit for Linux, Java(TM)
Technology Edition
lib-rxtx-java - native interface to serial ports in java
jdk1.1-native-dev - JDK 1.1.x - native threads extensions
netbeans-developer - NetBeans Developer - Java IDE
biss-awt - a Java GUI application programming framework
mmake - Makefile generator for Java programs
gcj - The GNU compiler for Java(TM).
jde - Java Development Environment for Emacs or XEmacs.
jdk1.1-native - JDK 1.1.x Runtime - native threads extensions
tya - JIT-compiler for Java.
jdk1.1 - JDK 1.1.x (Java Development Kit) - Runtime only
$ apt-cache show tya
Package: tya
Priority: optional
Section: contrib/devel
Installed-Size: 190
Maintainer: Ruud de Rooij <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 1.6-1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.1.2), jdk1.1 (>= 1.1.7v3-2)
Architecture: i386
Size: 95184
MD5sum: 6b1c81244dba9a88a2db9325819b632e
Filename: dists/potato/contrib/binary-i386/devel/tya_1.6-1.deb
Description: JIT-compiler for Java.
 TYA is a ``100% unofficial'' JIT-compiler designed as an add-on to JDK 1.1.x
 for Linux (x86).
 .
 A JIT-compiler (just in time-compiler) is an extension to the Java virtual
 machine.  It translates Java bytecode instructions on-the-fly (at run-time)
 into native machine instructions.  This results in faster execution of Java
 programs compared to the conventional interpreted execution.

$


On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 00:36, Willy Lee wrote:

> Hello all,
> 
> After my first 'apt-get update', I wanted to see a list of what was
> newly available to install or upgrade.  'man apt-get' left me no wiser
> as to whether there is a way to do this with apt-get.  What I ended up
> doing was guessing as to a package name, and doing 'apt-get -s install
> foo' to see if it existed.  Is there a better way?  Or do you
> generally use something like gnome-apt or dselect to do this?
> 
> Also, is there a way to find out what packages
> depend/suggest/recommend with apt-get?  Or a description of a package?
> 
> I guess what I'm getting at is, can I do everything just with apt-get,
> or do you need to use something else for this kind of stuff.
> 
> I _love_ apt-get!


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Reenviar: ISDN Help?

2000-09-29 Thread grecasav
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Date: Thu, 28 Sep 2000 12:08:42 -0600
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: ISDN Help?
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org

Hi my name is Greg and I am from Costa Rica. I need some
help whit my Debian 2.2.

I have one machine whit a ISDN UTA128 (external). When I
dial to my local ISP I have no problem at all. But I
have another machine whit debian 2.2 whit another ISDN
UTA128 (external).   I want to make a pont-to-point
conection whit this 2 computer.

Problems That I have.

1) I get this message, "peer refused to authtenticate"
---
ok a have being trying a lot of things.

I am using mgetty.
I already put noauth on /etc/options and
/etc/options.ttyS0

Remember that a am in Costa Rica (Central America)

WE USE UTA NOT STA OK <-- THIS COULD BE THE REASON?

Please help me.







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Re: Maillist vs. newsgroup

2000-09-29 Thread jeff
Rats... that's what I thought!  Guess I'll dig through procmail and mutt
docs and learn how to deal with mailboxes.  Thanks for the reply.

-jeff

On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 08:31:43PM -0700, George Bonser wrote:
> 
> Posts to the mailing list will show up in the newsgroup but newsgroup
> posts do not show up in the mailing list.
> 
> 
> On Thu, 28 Sep 2000, jeff wrote:
> 
> > Is the debian-user maillist identical to the linux.debian.user newsgroup? 
> > In other words, will posts and followups posted on either one show up in
> > both?
> > 
> > -jeff
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Unsubscribe?  mail -s unsubscribe [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /dev/null
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: debian: lpr wont suppress headers

2000-09-29 Thread Jeff Howie
Probably nothing to do with your printcap. We saw the same problem @
work, & upgrading to the latest lprng was the fix.

On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 11:53:58AM +1100, Brendan J Simon wrote:
> I'm using Debian-2.2 on Intel and PowerPC platforms.  I am using
> magicfilter and lprng (couldn't get lpr working on my PowerMacs).  It
> prints fine but I always get a header page printed.  lpr -h does
> suppress the header page correctly but I don't want to have to type this
> everytime.  I have put the :sh: option in my printcap which should
> supress the header page but it doesn't.  What do I have to do to
> suppress the header page ???
> 
> Here is my /etc/printcap.
> 
> rlp|Remote printer entry\
> :lp=:\
> :rm=192.168.0.10:\
> :rp=ps:\
> :if=/etc/magicfilter/ljet4m-filter:\
> :sd=/var/spool/lpd/hplj8000n:\
> :mx#0:\
> :sh:\
> :mc#10:\



Re: Q: on Debian Bug-Tracking system

2000-09-29 Thread Bernd Worsch
Dear Wayne!

Now conclusions are fine :-)

I'd appreciate information on how your class is doing in
buglist-review project sometime.

My former reply was btw not addressed to you alone/primarily
but to users / maybe-users of debian in general. I'd think
statements on debian philosophy help understanding of the
debian way of doing things.

Therfore, thanks for your initial post!
Bye Bernd

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Re: SysVinit prob... now runlevel question

2000-09-29 Thread Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar
-> > As I understand it, X86 hardware hardly ever uses anything but two
-> > levels. I know sun hardware actually makes significant use of the
-> > runlevels, but I am made to understand that nobody ever really bothered
-> > to implement any more than two different runlevels.

init runlevels and kernel runlevels are something different.

init runlevels have nothing to do with hardware.

-> Solaris does use runlevels a bit differently, but not vastly different:
-> on Solaris, run level 2 is for "things brought up when we want to play
-> nice on the network but aren't fully awake".  So the "clienty" things
-> usually go in rc2.d (such as nfs.client) while the "serverish" things
-> (like nfs.server).  From 'man init' on Slugaris:
-> 
->  2 Put the system in multi-user mode.  All multi-user
->environment  terminal  processes  and  daemons are
->spawned.  This state is commonly  referred  to  as
->the multi-user state.
-> 
->  3 Extend multi-user mode by making  local  resources
->available over the network.
-> 
->  4 Is available  to  be  defined  as  an  alternative
->multi-user  environment  configuration.  It is not
->necessary for system operation and is usually  not
->used.
-> 
-> Does Solaris really distinguish greatly?  Nope... the main difference on
-> my Suns is that rc3.d has nfs.server in it.

I really like this solaris differences and I really use it, especialy at
home...

runlevel 2 - multiuser without network services (also xinetd sendmail
probably sshd etc)
- very useful to upgrade, maintain, configure etc system while nothing from
outside can disturb you. Many consoles used (I use 8, debian's default is 6)

runlevel 1 - running minimum of programs, only onw console etc
- for some special actions - fixing, repairing systems, maybe upgrading some
exxential packages (although I already upgraded hot system in runlevel 3
with running network services - nothing special happened)

-> Unlike RH or other "popular" distributions, Debian does -not- distinguish
-> between the useful run levels (as opposed to the special ones like
-> on-the-way-up-or-down ones).  Instead, it leaves the choice of the
-> differences to be up to the local administrator.

I think at least the level above should be accepted. Default runlevel after
first boot should be 2 (sysadmin should look at everything before connects
newly installed machine to the net) and then, if someone decides, change it
to 3 where all network services would run.

levels 4 and 5 could be left for user to configure; level 0 means halt,
level 6 reboot (the fastest way to shutdown/reboot system w/o users is to do
init 0 or 6)

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Re: How to reinstall partial packages ?

2000-09-29 Thread Brent Buchholz
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alex V. Toropov wrote:

>
>From: Brent Buchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alex V. Toropov wrote:
>>
>> >After power failure some files done away :-(
>> >This files are not necessary but I wish them to be back.
>> >TIA Alex
>> >
>> Have you checked lost+found for the missing files?
>>
>> Their names will be lost, so run file(1) on them to determine what they
>> used to be. 8)
>>
>> Brent
>
>Things are bad there (in /lost+found)
>so the question is about the ability of apt/dkg & etc to do this trick
>I mean downloading necessary debs and extracting only missing files and
>may be changed files (with promting).
>

debsums -s can generate a list of missing/wrong md5sum files

dpkg -S file will tell you what package to uninstall reinstall

I don't know how to get the output nice and scriptable.

Brent




RE: Dual NIC Problem

2000-09-29 Thread Kimsey-Hickman, Brian
Well it sure didn't take to long to reach the limit of my knowledge.  I
really don't know where to look to find what services are running.  I found
a /etc/services file but that looked more like porting information (telnet
23/tcp).  I could not find anything that had the a telnet 127.0.0.1 110
line.  Sorry, I am a new user.

I am trying this as work and we are on an ethernet network running TCP/IP on
class b numbers.  There are only two Debian machines on the network right
now.  Both are purely experimental at this point.  I did check the hosts
file at it does have the machine name and IP number.  When I said I could
ping I meant I can the IP address not the device name.  I don't have
anything set up for name resolution right now for these machines.  We are
basically an NT & VAX shop.  The second experimental machine that has only
one NIC card I can telnet into just fine without any problems.  In setting
up the second NIC card on the first machine I could not find much
documentation so I just decided to edit the /etc/host file and added another
line with the same device name and a second IP address on another segment.
Then I went to the /etc/network/interfaces file and added a iface eth1 inet
static section defining the IP address, netmask, network, broadcast and
gateway numbers.  That all I did.  I could not find much more information in
the How Tos, online documentation or SAMs Debian Unleashed book.  I am sure
I have missed something.

In any case thanks for the help and I hope I have provided enough
information to fuel an answer.

Brian


On Thu, Sep 28, 2000 at 03:31:38PM -0400,
Kimsey-Hickman, Brian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> I have tried to set up a telnet session using both the ip and host name.
> When using the ip number I get just the "telnet> " prompt with no error
> messages.  

Do you have any services running that you could telnet into? For example:

telnet 127.0.0.1 110

or something like that to see if anything is running.


>When I use the host name and get and "Unknown Host" error.  I can
> ping the ip address without any problem.
> 

Sounds like a name configuration error. How is your network set up? Are you
trying to 
access a home network from work?

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Re: How to reinstall partial packages ?

2000-09-29 Thread Alex V. Toropov

- Original Message -
From: Brent Buchholz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Alex V. Toropov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: 
Sent: 29 ñåíòÿáðÿ 2000 ã. 16:43
Subject: Re: How to reinstall partial packages ?


> On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alex V. Toropov wrote:
>
> >After power failure some files done away :-(
> >This files are not necessary but I wish them to be back.
> >TIA Alex
> >
> Have you checked lost+found for the missing files?
>
> Their names will be lost, so run file(1) on them to determine what they
> used to be. 8)
>
> Brent

Things are bad there (in /lost+found)
so the question is about the ability of apt/dkg & etc to do this trick
I mean downloading necessary debs and extracting only missing files and
may be changed files (with promting).



Re: How to reinstall partial packages ?

2000-09-29 Thread Brent Buchholz
On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Alex V. Toropov wrote:

>After power failure some files done away :-(
>This files are not necessary but I wish them to be back.
>TIA Alex
>
Have you checked lost+found for the missing files?

Their names will be lost, so run file(1) on them to determine what they
used to be. 8)

Brent



Re: read only root partition

2000-09-29 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 02:16:58PM +0200, Raphael Bauduin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> yes, I know that root can remount the partition in read/write. However, with 
> LIDS, it's possible to limit access to commands, even for root.  So the root 
> partition would be read-only and would stay like that. Access to Lilo would 
> also be limited.

chattr -R +i /bin /sbin /lib /boot

then revoking the cap to remove immutable would also work.

> /var could be noexec so any filed copied to it wouldn't be executable.

yes they would, see my previous post demonstrating how you can execute
anything by running /lib/ld-2.1.3.so /path/to/noexec/binary.

> Another reason for the read-only is the fact that when the computer is not 
> properly rebooted, the partitions don't have to go through e2fsck.

true but if your / is small this is not a big deal.  if your concerned
about filesystem damage mount it -o sync or use a journalling
filesystem.  

i think a burned CDROM with a ramdisk root would be a much simpler way
to accomplish a readonly root.  trying to keep / mounted read only is
going to require ALOT of hacking.  (and likely modification of source)

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Re: read only root partition

2000-09-29 Thread Raphael Bauduin
Hi,

yes, I know that root can remount the partition in read/write. However, with 
LIDS, it's possible to limit access to commands, even for root.  So the root 
partition would be read-only and would stay like that. Access to Lilo would 
also be limited.
/var could be noexec so any filed copied to it wouldn't be executable.

Another reason for the read-only is the fact that when the computer is not 
properly rebooted, the partitions don't have to go through e2fsck.

Raph

On Fri, 29 Sep 2000, Ethan Benson wrote:

> > On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:25:02PM +0200, Raphael Bauduin wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I want to install debian on a computer, where only the /var partition
> > would be writeable. Has anyone of you done it? Any advice?
> >
> > The possible problems:
>
> [problems snipped]
>
> why exactly do you want to do this?  its not really a trivial thing to
> do as your finding out.  if its security your not really getting much
> since root can just mount -o remount,rw / anyway.
>
> perhaps a better option is a ramdisk /


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Re: OT: IRC & the ~

2000-09-29 Thread Matus \"fantomas\" Uhlar
-> Is the ~ in front of your name in IRC due to the lack of auth installed? I
-> cannot find identd anywhere with dpkg.  I've tried dpkg -l|grep iden.  When
-> I had deb installed on another system I somehow picked up identd and I was
-> not listed as ~ in name so that got me thinking.  Anyway, what is the std
-> debian auth package? <-- assuming this is the issue?

prefix ~ means that your IDENT server returned invalid reply, didn't reply
or is not installed.

it's possible that you have pidentd configured not to close ocnnection after
returning a reply (multiquery mode) - ircnet ircd's don't accept the reply
in such case. I'm justgoing to ask for a fix...

solution - install identd (pidentd for example). it's not as bad as some ppl
say :)

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Re: apt-get, gnome-apt, dselect, which to use?

2000-09-29 Thread Michael P. Soulier
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 09:54:29AM +0200, Preben Randhol wrote:

> Description:   dpkg -s pacakge
> List all files:dpkg -L pacakge
> list all packages: dpkg -l

So, does that mean apt-get's cache is shared with dpkg then? I thought
they were separate, due to the apt-cache program. I'm actually a little
confused about what dbs exist, and what is updated when I do an apt-get
update. 

> Preben Vim user. No emacs installed.

Here here. Vim rocks. 

Mike

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How to reinstall partial packages ?

2000-09-29 Thread Alex V. Toropov
After power failure some files done away :-(
This files are not necessary but I wish them to be back.
Is their a way to check which files are missed and to install them back
without removing/installing hole packages (For example mgetty: I have all
binaries, but
lost documentation/man. May be other packages are also half-broken)

TIA Alex



Re: read only root partition

2000-09-29 Thread Ethan Benson
On Fri, Sep 29, 2000 at 12:25:02PM +0200, Raphael Bauduin wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I want to install debian on a computer, where only the /var partition would 
> be writeable. Has anyone of you done it? Any advice?
> 
> The possible problems:
> 
[problems snipped]

why exactly do you want to do this?  its not really a trivial thing to
do as your finding out.  if its security your not really getting much
since root can just mount -o remount,rw / anyway.  

perhaps a better option is a ramdisk / 

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RE: I just want to check my email

2000-09-29 Thread Paul Biciunas

Jeremy L. Gaddis wrote:
 
> How the fuck are we supposed to know?
> 
> Or, more precisely, what the hell does this have to do with
> Debian?
> 
> -jg
> 
> --
> Jeremy L. Gaddis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> -Original Message-
> From:   [EMAIL PROTECTED] [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent:   Thursday, September 28, 2000 10:53 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject:I just want to check my email
> 
> Hi,
> I'm a student at Chicago University and i'm trying to reach the imp page
> so i
> could check my email. The page is at "https://lugh.uchicago.edu"; How
> come
> there is a problem?
> 
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> 

When you check the page the student referenced, it states that it's a
placeholder page installed by the Debian release of Apache... and the
first link off the page is www.debian.org. There's no UChicago info on
the page at all, so I can easily see someone trying the first place
found for help.

-Paul



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