Re: general linux questions

[will trillich]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:13:27PM +0200, robert_wilhelm_land wrote:
> will trillich wrote:
> > i keep forgetting about xargs. very clever gizmo!
> > 
> > to sort the output by date, it's rather simple:
> > 
> > locate  | xargs ls -dlt
> > 
> > the -d is so directoriy contents wouldn't be listed, only the directory
> > item itself; -l says 'gimme a long listing' and -t says 'sort by modified
> > time'...
> 
> 
> I'm so unsure about the xargs and the exec command. Which one is
> prefered, in which cases should I use one of the two?
> 
> Thanks for the command string!

no charge for services rendered...

$ find /path/to/start/in -mtime +7 -exec /bin/ls \{} \;

this will execute "/bin/ls " for EACH AND EVERY file it finds.
not a problem if you have a quickie subprocess to spawn and respawn.

if you're launching, say, perl, even to run some quickie gadget, reconsider:
perl is frivolous with resources. every startup basically requires blessings
from the pope. nearly.

ANY resource hog is something to launch seldom -- and when it's
up, make it earn its keep.

$ locate some/path/component | xargs behemoth -options

this will accumulate a slew of filepaths to send to xargs; xargs then
will exec 'behemoth' ONCE with the options you supply it, appending
all the filenames to the end of the list.

of course, there's a limit to what you can get away with here; the command
buffer is only so large (i doubt there's facility to accomodate 10k of
arguments for a command -- surely there's someone here who knows the limit
or how to find it). so sometimes you hafta break your find down
into subtasks, or specify more specific items to look for (so you
get less items returned).

--

note -- if you have the locate command available, use it instead of
find when you're looking for a filename pattern system-wide. then you
have a simple linear scan of one file instead of a disk-intensive
manhunt. (with locate you also ought to have 'updatedb' run occasionally
via cron. also, use slocate, which is more security-conscious.)

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Re: OT: mailing list, bounce-debian-user ?

[will trillich]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 08:36:54PM +0100, Mark Brown wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 02:32:59PM -0500, will trillich wrote:
> 
> > i guess that this'll help cut down on the my.netvigator.com idiocy?
> 
> No.  Pretty much all mailing list software rewrites the envelope sender
> so that bounces don't go to individual subscribers.  This has always
> been the case for Debian lists.  The problem with netvigator is that
> their software is generating bounces to the From: line in the message
> (which is not rerwitten) rather than the envelope sender.

i think they've fixed it. i've not seen any netvigator bounces for
a few days.

(wanna know how i got'm to stop? i found a human at a real email address,
and forwarded all my netvigator.com bounces to him. that way he got
to see all the headers and the inconvenience first-hand. nothing to it!)


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acceleration + threshold vs. speed

[Ignasi Tura Olivella]

Dear colleagues,

Under 1024x768 the idea of 'acceleration' and 'threshold' from xset
values dizzies me a lot as a Windoze user. I was very used to the simple
'speed' value under Windoze.

Can anyone point me to any direction so I can be able to get something
similar to just speed, like I have under Win?

Thanks,


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voodoo3 on debian

[Vachirasuk Setalaphruk]

Hi,

I am trying to get my voodoo3 to work on potato. It seems like
softwares cannot find the card and cannot be accelerated. The 3dfx.o
module is loaded alright and I also have /dev/3dfx c 107,0 too.
But when I run test files that come with libglide2-dev, they give
me errors like this even when I run them as root.

ayame:vachi$ /usr/doc/libglide2-dev/examples/tests/test00
test00:
Clear screen to blue
2.60.00.0415
Resolution: 640x480
Press A Key To Begin Test.
gd error (glide): Can't find or access Banshee/V3 board
  gd error (glide): 
grSstSelect:  non-existent SSTSegmentation fault


and with programs in mesademos, they give:

ayame:samples$ ./accum
gd error (glide): Can't find or access Banshee/V3 board
fx Driver: ERROR no Voodoo1/2 Graphics or Voodoo Rush !

I am running X in [EMAIL PROTECTED] and MESA_GLX_FX set to fullscreen.
Can anyone get it work in potato? I used to get my old voodoo1 card
working under slink with this similar set up.

I have the following package installed.

ii  glide2-base2.60-6 Voodoo detection and texture utilities
ii  libglide2-dev  2.60-6 development files for libglide2
ii  libglide2-v3   2.60-6 Graphics library for Voodoo Banshee and 
Vood

ii  mesag-glide2-d 3.1-17 Development library for Mesa [libc6].
ii  mesag3-glide2  3.1-17 A 3-D graphics library which uses the 
OpenGLii  mesademos  3.1-4  Example programs for Mesa.

ii  mesag-glide2-d 3.1-17 Development library for Mesa [libc6].
ii  mesag3-glide2  3.1-17 A 3-D graphics library which uses the 
OpenGLii  device3dfx-mod 2.3.4-2+ayame. Device driver source for 3Dfx boards 
for 2.x
ii  device3dfx-sou 2.3.4-2Device driver source for 3Dfx boards for 
2.x


crw-rw1 root audio 107,   0 Oct  4 02:10 /dev/3dfx

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Re: Debian chicken thread crashes mailer

[Colin Watson]

Chris Gray <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:05:19PM +, Pollywog wrote:
>> What was in that "Debian chicken" thread anyway?  It kept crashing XFMail.
>> I am a vegetarian, but I didn't know XFMail was too ;)
>
>One of the people in it was using ODP: instead of Re: in his subject
>lines.  That might have done it.

Damn, that *would* be a broken mailer ...

I suppose it might have been things like bad format=flowed handling, or
maybe it just fell over on the threading. Was it any particular message?

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instalation of soundcard

[Andreas Fromm]

Hi,

I'm trying to get my SoundBlaster AWE 64 (Isa PnP) to work on a new
installed Potato system, but just can't get it. I think I did everything
I read in the Sound-AWE mini-HOWTO and Kernel-source documentation.

My isapnp.conf file look as follows:

(READPORT 0x0273)
(ISOLATE PRESERVE)
(IDENTIFY *)
(VERBOSITY 2)
(CONFLICT (IO FATAL)(IRQ FATAL)(DMA FATAL)(MEM FATAL)) # or WARNING

(CONFIGURE CTL00e4/269124680 (LD 0
# ANSI string -->Audio<--

 (INT 0 (IRQ 5 (MODE +E)))
 (DMA 0 (CHANNEL 1))
 (DMA 1 (CHANNEL 5))
 (IO 0 (SIZE 16) (BASE 0x0220))
 (IO 1 (SIZE 2) (BASE 0x0330))
 (IO 2 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0388))
 (NAME "CTL00e4/269124680[0]{Audio   }")
 (ACT Y)
))

(CONFIGURE CTL00e4/269124680 (LD 1
# Compatible device id PNPb02f
# ANSI string -->Game<--
 (IO 0 (SIZE 8) (BASE 0x0200))
 (NAME "CTL00e4/269124680[1]{Game}")
 (ACT Y)
))

(CONFIGURE CTL00e4/269124680 (LD 2
# ANSI string -->WaveTable<--
 (IO 0 (SIZE 4) (BASE 0x0620))
 (IO 1 (BASE 0x0A20))
 (IO 2 (BASE 0x0E20))
 (NAME "CTL00e4/269124680[2]{WaveTable   }")
 (ACT Y)
))

(WAITFORKEY)

and executing
isapnp /etc/isapnp.conf
reports:

Board 1 has Identity da 10 0a 84 48 e4 00 8c 0e:  CTL00e4 Serial No
269124680 [checksum da]
CTL00e4/269124680[0]{Audio   }: Ports 0x220 0x330 0x388;
IRQ5 DMA1 DMA5 --- Enabled OK
CTL00e4/269124680[1]{Game}: Port 0x200; --- Enabled
OK
CTL00e4/269124680[2]{WaveTable   }: Ports 0x620 0xA20 0xE20;
--- Enabled OK


I compiled the Kernel with the following extract of the configuration
save-file:

# Sound
CONFIG_SOUND=m
CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m
CONFIG_SOUND_SB=m
CONFIG_SOUND_YM3812=m

# Additional low level sound drivers
CONFIG_LOWLEVEL_SOUND=y
CONFIG_AWE32_SYNTH=m

which compiled the modules:
adlib_card.o
sound.o
soundlow.o
opl3.o
sb.o
soundcore.o
uart401.o

I also added the lines

alias midi awe_wave
post-install awe_wave /usr/bin/sfxload /usr/synthfm.sbk
options sb io=0x220 irq=5 dma=1 dma16=5 mpu_io=0x330

to the /etc/modules.conf file, but executing:

modprobe -a sound

doesn't  install the drivers. At least they are not reportet executing
cat /dev/sndstat


Any help would be apreciated, and please cc my any answers

Andreas Fromm
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P.D:Sorry for my english ;-)

Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[csj]

Daunting installation? I totally disagree. Debian is the easiest console mode
installation I have ever seen (Win 3.1, Redhat 5.something, etc.).

The difficult part for me was creating the bootable CD. Once I figured out the
queer directory structure, it was as simple as flopping the CD on the drive and
pressing enter, enter, and enter...

My main complaint is against the Debian ftp directory structure: Unlike with
Redhat and Co., you can't just copy the files off the ftp site (unless
you're willing to put up with the truly daunting 650 MB iso download). Debian
lumps together the various architectures, such that a simple recursive ftp from
(target site)/pub/linux/distributions/debian/ won't do the trick. Redhat, on
the other hand, has separate directories for the files needed for i386, sparc,
alpha, etc. (I'm not sure if things will remain just as neat with the
multi-CD Redhat 7.0).

On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, Randy Edwards wrote:
> Has anyone seen Joe Barr's article in LinuxWorld at
> ?
> 
>I was struck by the article in a number of ways.  I think it's sad that
> an experienced user like him couldn't install Debian (sad being the knock
> goes against him -- it ain't rocket science), but on the other hand, his
> reactions are *typical* of what I've seen when I try to have new users
> install Debian (so I can't knock him I guess).
> 
>I've fallen into the mode that I now give new users the free Storm
> Linux CD, have them install that and get comfortable with GNU/Linux, and
> then tell them to apt up to a full Debian system.  I'd love to give them a
> pure Debian install, but after seeing people fail on it again and again
> (I'll ignore topics of intelligence in the general user population:-),
> unless I'm there to walk them through it I know they're bound to fall on
> their face.
> 
>Anyone else have any thoughts on this article?
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Re: partitions and lilo

[csj]

Hello Jaye,
? here

Well I guess I may have shared a partition or two. I'm not sure what exactly you
mean by "same root partition." But here's the [annotated] view from
Mandrake.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] penguin]$ df
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hda8 380M   49M  310M  14% /
/dev/hda6  15M  1.9M   12M  13% /boot
/dev/hda17687M  645M  6.8M  99% /burn [shared non-sys]
/dev/hda16633M  495M  106M  82% /doc [shared non-sys]
/dev/hda9 633M  182M  419M  30% /home [shared]
/dev/hda14980M  815M  116M  88% /install [shared non-sys]
/dev/hda13980M  253M  678M  27% /opt [shared]
/dev/hda192.7G  2.0G  577M  78% /redhat [shared non-sys]
/dev/hda7 144M  8.0M  129M   6% /root 
/dev/hda182.4G  862M  1.4G  37% /storm [shared, storm's /]
/dev/hda11167M   22M  136M  14% /tmp
/dev/hda103.8G  1.6G  2.0G  44% /usr
/dev/hda12167M   75M   84M  47% /var
/dev/hda154.8G  3.2G  1.4G  70% /web [shared, non-sys]
[+++shared swap partition]

I'm a reinstall freak, which accounts for the inordinately large number of
partitions. Storm is mounted as /storm on my Mandrake, while Mandrake is
largely invisible to Storm [except for /home]. I placed my Staroffice 5.2 in
/opt, usable both ways.

On Wed, 04 Oct 2000, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
> Hello?,
> 
> Look again closely at my partition tables. I created ext2 partitions
> for each of my linux distros and seperate boots as well. The only 
> thing shared here is my swap file by all the distros. So I have it
> as hda1=win98, hda12 through hda15 for my linux ROOT partitions.
> 
> I think what you might have done was installed two distros on the
> same root partition, and I don't know how well it would fly!
> 
> Good luck

Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[Christen Welch]

Ah, sorry. apt-find is a sym link to capt, which is a lot better
than dselect. Sorry if that was misleading.

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Re: Installation

[kmself]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:20:46PM +, Legion _ ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
>Hi. I have recently acquired an old 386 sx computer with an 82 meg HDD. I 
> want to put Debian on it.
>A long time ago, I had gone online and asked around for this before, and 
> someone had pointed me to 7 floppies worth of files from the www.debian.org 
> ftp site, and I actually did manage to install an extremely basic 
> instillation of Debian. I would like to do that again, but I do not know 
> which files I need.
>Could you please tell me which files I need to download in order to once 
> again install Debian on my comp?
>Thank you for your time :)
>See ya's

Visit http://www.debian.org/, find the documentation links, and read
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Netscape text save working spottily

[Dale Amon]

Has anyone had trouble with netscape lately?? Ah, let me rephrase that :-)

Has anyone else been having trouble with saving pages as text? It used to work
just fine, but now it gives me 0 length files much of the time. See if you have
the same problem. I've been unable to save this page, forexample:

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/x33_newlease_001002.html

as text, but I *can* save it as ps. Yeah, I could do pstotxt, but it does a 
crap job
on multicolumn  ps files.

I'm using the most instantly current woody dist.

Re: Virtual screen switcher

[kmself]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:28:01PM +0200, Egbert Bouwman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hello,
> There seems to exist a program 'screen' with which you can
> go to another virtual screen. Makes  obsolete, more or less.
> I can not locate it. Is it in potato ? Somewhere else ?
> egbert

"screen" is a virtual terminal facility that does for a console session
what VNC does for an X session.  In a manner of speaking.

I believe the utility you're thinking of is chvt.

The distinction is that  works from the console when you're not
logged in.  chvt requires an open session to work, and it's quite
possible you could get yourself somewhere (a virtual console without a
shell, say), from which you couldn't return if you didn't have the
keystroke alternative.

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Re: KDE for stable?

[Bruce Sass]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Thomas Guettler wrote:
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:55:30PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > Mail the maintainer, I am certain he can make potato debs available.
> 
> I am interested in KDE for potato, too. Could you mail me if there are
> such debs?

They are sitting at kde.tdyc.com, you can get sources.list lines and ftp
URLs at:

http://kde.tdyc.com/Debian/


later,

Bruce

Re: ppp/wvdial help!

[Glyn Millington]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:26:57PM +0200, thus spake Marc Maute:
> hi,
> I dont know if I`m really connected
> the ifconfig show me a entry for ppp0
> but no packages were recieved.
> How can I look at the output from the ppp/options?
> After I had add debug nothing changed.
> And I think I have not entered a IP for DNS
> 
> So I dont know what the problem is.
> 
> Again the probleme is: i start wvdial
> I think it connect to my provider, it is
> the same wvdial.conf file as from my redhat system.
> So that is not the problem, the problem is
> if I try to ping or load ... nothing happens.
> 
> Marc

What have you got in /etc/resolv.conf ?  This kind of problem on
Mandrake was typically caused by not having the DNS numbers you
need in that file.  

eg:-

search localdomain
nameserver 195.92.195.94
nameserver 195.92.195.95


Or whatever your ISP's nameservers happen to be (they should be
able to tell you this - if not,  ditch 'em!).

The basic procedure as set out in the WVdial faq ia
---> snip  <-
3. Quick start.

Assuming everything works perfectly, the following will get you on-line if
you're running as root.
- wvdialconf /etc/wvdial.conf
- vi /etc/wvdial.conf   [edit username/password/phone]
- vi /etc/resolv.conf   [edit nameservers]
- wvdial
---> snip  <-

Why not hide your current wvdial.conf and start again?

Have you tried pppconfig with pon and poff?

HTH

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Re: Sound testing

[Timothy Bedding]

Krzys Majewski wrote

> I use "saytime". For example:

I tried running saytime but it did not work. Nothing sounding
like the time came out of the speaker.


cat /bin/bash > /dev/audio

gives white noise from the speaker so something is working.


Is there likely to be problem with my installation
of sound?

Regards
Tim

Re: how can I add disk space?

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

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On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:20:19PM +0200, Markus Stahl wrote:

> Isn't there a way to combine the two HDs' capacity without 
> recompiling the kernel (maybe by just loading a module or 
> something) or can I perhaps just download such a kernel which 
> allows multiple devices driver support? Because compiling a kernel 
> is a little bit to hard for me.
> And when I do so, do I have to backup the data on both HDs or just 
> of the second (new) drive?

I'm only telling you this to save you some grief.  If recompiling a
kernel is too advanced for you, then LVM and RAID are way way over your
head and you really need to do a lot of learning before you get in to
either of them.  I would consider both LVM and RAID to be at least as
advanced topics as kernel compilation.  There are a whole lot of factors
to deal with and neither technology is something that you can approach
without adequate preparation and experience.

I mean no offense by this.  I just think you should know that it's
probably very unwise to go messing about with your users' files when you
don't know exactly what you're doing.

What I recommend doing is getting a single disk that's big enough to
hold what you need, and finding other uses for the smaller disks.

noah

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Installation

[Legion _]

  Hi. I have recently acquired an old 386 sx computer with an 82 meg HDD. I 
want to put Debian on it.
  A long time ago, I had gone online and asked around for this before, and 
someone had pointed me to 7 floppies worth of files from the www.debian.org 
ftp site, and I actually did manage to install an extremely basic 
instillation of Debian. I would like to do that again, but I do not know 
which files I need.
  Could you please tell me which files I need to download in order to once 
again install Debian on my comp?

  Thank you for your time :)
  See ya's
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Re: ISDN question

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

Jens Luedicke wrote:

> > > Additionally you'll need to get the "isdnutils" package.
> > > This package provides some ISDN specific tools and
> > > programs such as "ipppd" and "isdnctrl".
> > > Configuration => RTFM
> >
> > Any of the above apply to my setup?
> at least you'll need the "isdnutils" package.

I found the following on 
http://www.debian.org/Packages/stable/net/isdnutils.html :
>Package: isdnutils 1:3.0-20
>ISDN utilities
>This package includes all the utilities to get an ISDN system up and running.
>This package works best with a 2.0.36 kernel (or higher); in fact, preferably 
>2.2.14 or
higher.

This doesn't say much to me. I've been using ISDN for 5 years, now, and to me 
it's
always been just another external modem - albeit a fast one that know when to 
run at
64kb/s and when to run at 128kb/s.

I've never seen or used any special ISDN utilities neither under 'doze or OS/2, 
just
their plain old vanilla diallers for any Hayes compatible modem. So what 
exactly is it
that isdnutils is going to give me? I'll use it if I have to, but I always like 
to
understand the "why", so please excuse my asking again.

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quake and libvga.config

[Attila Csosz]

Could someone give me some advice about using mouse accelerate constants
in /etc/vga/libvga.config. I'd like to use it to play quake (qw) but they
behave very strange. 

If someone who play quake use it please send me a working libvga.config.

Thanks
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re: yahoo instant messanger

[Donald R Spielman Jr]

Hi,
 
I have yahoo instant messanger and it does not seem 
to be working.
I would like to know how to reactivate it 
.
 
Thanks,
Monica Spielman

Re: some general (samba) questions

[C. Falconer]

At 06:23 PM 10/6/00 +0200, you wrote:

I've got some questions. Hope that somebody can help me with that.
Is it possible to create a samba-user with an empty password? Because if I 
try so with smbpasswd the program denies the change.


Edit /etc/samba/smbpasswd and change the user's line from
bob:3000:::[U 
]:LCT-363F96AD:

to
bob:3000:NO 
PASSWORDX::[U 
]:LCT-363F96AD:


How can I get a view which users are created on my linux-machine? This 
would be helpful to control which users should be deleted from the system 
(f.g. if a person doesn't work there anymore)?


less /etc/shadow

And last question: how can I remove an user from a samba server? When I 
just try "userdel " will the user also be deleted from the smbpasswd 
file or do I have to take further steps to cleanly remove the user from 
the system?


you'll have to remove them manually from smbpasswd

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Re: 2.2.4pre9 and modules

[Marvin Stodolsky]

For the major compile, pre2.2.4pre8, the kernel-package.deb route has
worked fine. Within /usr/src/linux
make-kpkg --revision=laptop.1 kernel_image
After which 
dpkg -i /usr/src/kernel-image-version.deb
installs kernel+selected modules.  I've had to do the pcmcia modules "by
hand" however:
cd /usr/src/modules/pcmcia-cd
./Configure
make all
make install
the /lib/modules/2.4.  The modules structure is:

tree -d /lib/modules/2.4.0-test8

/lib/modules/2.4.0-test8
|-- build -> /usr/src/linux
|-- kernel
|   |-- drivers
|   |   |-- block
|   |   |   `-- paride
|   |   |-- cdrom
|   |   |-- char
|   |   |   |-- agp
|   |   |   |-- drm
|   |   |   `-- joystick
|   |   |-- ide
|   |   |-- input
|   |   |-- media
|   |   |   |-- radio
|   |   |   `-- video
|   |   |-- net
|   |   |-- parport
|   |   |-- sound
|   |   |-- usb
|   |   `-- video
|   |-- fs
|   |   |-- autofs
|   |   |-- hfs
|   |   |-- isofs
|   |   |-- nls
|   |   `-- ramfs
|   `-- net
|   `-- ipv6
`-- pcmcia

MarvS
===
Aloha All;

To get support for my new ata100 drive , last night I installed the
2.2.4pre9
kernel ( using kernel-package ) . It all went fine (the drive worked)
... but
then I noticed non of the modules Id selected seemed to be loading on
boot.

I checked /lib/modules/2.2.4pre9 and non of the modules Id selected
during the
kernel config were there. I tried again and again but alas no modules
seemed
to be getting compiled. I checked the docs for kernel-package and it
said
something about modules not being compiled when the kernel version has
an
epoch ?

Am I doing something completely stupid here ?

mallum

Re: Virtual screen switcher

[Egbert Bouwman]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 08:27:01PM +, Geordie Birch wrote:
> chvt 
> 
It works. After sending my question I opened one of my eyes and
discovered that there is a package 'screen' with the program 'screen'.
It offers some more possibilities and complexities.
egbert
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Re: Virtual screen switcher

[William Jensen]

Potato has it and the name is screen.  apt-get install screen

stimpy:~$ dpkg -l screen
Desired=Unknown/Install/Remove/Purge/Hold
| Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed
|/ Err?=(none)/Hold/Reinst-required/X=both-problems (Status,Err: uppercase=bad)
||/ Name   VersionDescription
+++-==-==-
ii  screen 3.9.5-9A screen manager with VT100/ANSI terminal em


On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 11:28:01PM +0200, Egbert Bouwman wrote:
> Hello,
> There seems to exist a program 'screen' with which you can
> go to another virtual screen. Makes  obsolete, more or less.
> I can not locate it. Is it in potato ? Somewhere else ?
> egbert
> -- 
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> 
> 
> 
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Re: some general (samba) questions

[Thomas Guettler]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 06:23:23PM +0200, Christian Schoenebeck wrote:
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I've got some questions. Hope that somebody can help me with that.
> Is it possible to create a samba-user with an empty password? Because if I 
> try so with smbpasswd the program denies the change.

Having users without password is a bad idea.

> How can I get a view which users are created on my linux-machine? This would 
> be helpful to control which users should be deleted from the system (f.g. if 
> a person doesn't work there anymore)?

cat /etc/passwd

> And last question: how can I remove an user from a samba server? When I just 
> try "userdel " will the user also be deleted from the smbpasswd file or 
> do I have to take further steps to cleanly remove the user from the system?
> 

AFAIK samba uses the passwords of /etc/shadow, so that if you delete
the user his password gets deleted, too.

-- 
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Re: KDE for stable?

[Thomas Guettler]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:55:30PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> Mail the maintainer, I am certain he can make potato debs available.
> 

I am interested in KDE for potato, too. Could you mail me if there are
such debs?

-- 
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Re: ISDN question

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

Jens Luedicke wrote:

> > What is the difference in Linux, and specifically, why is there a 
> > difference?
>
> Windoze can't handle ISDN cards directly, so you'll need to
> setup a little driver that "emulates" a modem, so you can
> work with all the AT commands. Windoze is dumb, and thats
> the reason ;-)

Thanks, Jens, I'm sure we all agree with you there, but I don't think that's the
reason here. I'm using an external ISDN modem, to be exact a "ZyXel omni.net 
128k
ISDN TA modem". I get the feeling that any special handling of ISDN cards won't 
be
of much help to me.

> Linux can handle ISDN cards directly, that means you
> don't need a driver that emulates a modem. If you want
> to use your ISDN card with Linux, you'll need a Linux Kernel
> with ISDN support.

Is this the case with my setup? Or should I just pretend I'm using an ordinary 
"AT
command" serial port modem, that just so happens to be running at 128k, instead 
of
the usual 56k? That's how I'm running it under 'doze and OS/2.

> The most ISDN cards have a Siemens
> "HiSax" chip so you'll need to select the the "HiSax"
> driver. I'm running this driver as a kernel-module.
> Configuration => RTFM
>
> Additionally you'll need to get the "isdnutils" package.
> This package provides some ISDN specific tools and
> programs such as "ipppd" and "isdnctrl".
> Configuration => RTFM

Any of the above apply to my setup?

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Re: ppp/wvdial help!

[Marc Maute]

hi,
I dont know if I`m really connected
the ifconfig show me a entry for ppp0
but no packages were recieved.
How can I look at the output from the ppp/options?
After I had add debug nothing changed.
And I think I have not entered a IP for DNS

So I dont know what the problem is.

Again the probleme is: i start wvdial
I think it connect to my provider, it is
the same wvdial.conf file as from my redhat system.
So that is not the problem, the problem is
if I try to ping or load ... nothing happens.

Marc

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Re: Virtual screen switcher

[Geordie Birch]

chvt 

THUS SPAKE Egbert Bouwman, on Oct 6:

> Hello,
> There seems to exist a program 'screen' with which you can
> go to another virtual screen. Makes  obsolete, more or less.
> I can not locate it. Is it in potato ? Somewhere else ?
> egbert
> -- 
> Egbert Bouwman - Keizersgracht 197 II - 1016 DS  Amsterdam - 020 6257991
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 

Re: ethereal and display

[Jonas Moberg]

> Hey Guys,
> I would like to be able to use ethereal without having
> to start X from root. I've never really understood what 
> tells the xserver who can display, but if anyone could tell
> me what I am doing wrong, much appriciated!
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> ethereal

You need to set XAUTHORITY to ~yourhome/.Xauthority also..

Read the Remote-X-Apps mini-howto. It covers this issue in section 7
(7.2 has a nice little script to handle what your looking for..). 
It also covers how the xserver handles who has access to the display 
(and why "xhost +" isn't a good idea..).

Virtual screen switcher

[Egbert Bouwman]

Hello,
There seems to exist a program 'screen' with which you can
go to another virtual screen. Makes  obsolete, more or less.
I can not locate it. Is it in potato ? Somewhere else ?
egbert
-- 
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RE: KDE for stable?

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

Mail the maintainer, I am certain he can make potato debs available.

Re: OT: mailing list, bounce-debian-user ?

[Mark Brown]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 02:32:59PM -0500, will trillich wrote:

> i guess that this'll help cut down on the my.netvigator.com idiocy?

No.  Pretty much all mailing list software rewrites the envelope sender
so that bounces don't go to individual subscribers.  This has always
been the case for Debian lists.  The problem with netvigator is that
their software is generating bounces to the From: line in the message
(which is not rerwitten) rather than the envelope sender.

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KDE for stable?

[cjm2]

Hi:

Sorry if this is something that has been covered -- I'm pretty new to
the mailing list.

I'm running Potato (after an "apt-get dist-upgrade" from slink) with the
2.2.12 kernel.  I'd like to add KDE to the system, but I'm hesitant to
begin tracking unstable because I don't have much Debian experience.

Any advice? For example, can I switch to unstable solely for the purpose
of running "apt-get install KDE***" without causing a melt down -- and
then point apt back to stable? Or, is it necessary to download source
code and compile KDE for my system? Or should I simply switch to
unstable and do another "dist-upgrade" first?

Thanks,

Colin

Re: /usr/share, why bother?

[Mark Brown]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 02:28:09AM -0600, Jeff Lessem wrote:

> Am I just dense, and such a setting is fully documented and I just
> need to rtfm?  I know, disk space is real cheap, so wasting a few
> hundred meg per machine isn't a big deal, and there isn't really
> anything in /usr/share that I, as the administrator, need to be
> changing, but it is just the principle of the thing.  I guess what I
> mean is, why call it share if it isn't meant to be shared?

The FHS isn't just a Debian thing - it's intended to be a standard for
all Linux distributions, making them more consistent with each other.
That alone is a worthwhile thing.  Besides, the intention is that dpkg
should support this eventually so the packages are going to have to be
modified at some point.  It may as well be done before the changes are
made in dpkg as after.

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Re: OT: mailing list, bounce-debian-user ?

[will trillich]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:54:52PM +1100, Damon Muller wrote:
> Hi Karsten,
> 
> Quoth kmself@ix.netcom.com, 
> > I'm getting a number of messages apparently sent or resent from
> > bounce-debian-user.  I've also had some significant procmail recipie
> > problems in recent weeks resulting in inappropriate message rejection,
> > particularly from mailing lists.  
> 
> I believe that the debian list server sets the envelope sender for email
> from the list to bounce-debian-user-@list.debian.org (or
> something). If a properly configured MTA has to bounce a message, the
> list server will know what address is giving it grief, and if it happens
> enough times, which to remove. At least, that's my (admittedly limited)
> understanding.
> 
> I have seen at least one bounce from a badly configured MTA which sent
> the mail back to me (the From: address), but did not include it's own
> from address. Mutt, for some reason, seemed to put the
> bounce-debian-user address in the From: field when it displayed the
> mail. Maybe this is what you are seeing.

me too.

in ~/.procmail/procmail.log i see

>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 06 12:46:25 2000
 Subject: Re: ppp/wvdial help!
  Folder: /home/will/Mail/debian-user  2357
>From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Oct 06 13:02:02 2000
 Subject: server 10/06/00:13.02 system check
  Folder: root 1120

so it's apparently not mutt.

i guess that this'll help cut down on the my.netvigator.com idiocy?


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Re: Debian chicken thread crashes mailer

[Chris Gray]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:05:19PM +, Pollywog wrote:
> What was in that "Debian chicken" thread anyway?  It kept crashing XFMail.
> I am a vegetarian, but I didn't know XFMail was too ;)

One of the people in it was using ODP: instead of Re: in his subject
lines.  That might have done it.

Chris

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-- Benjamin Disraeli

Re: ethereal and display

[[EMAIL PROTECTED]]

as the user that is running X try:

xhost +localhost

then run your program as root. should work, shouldnt have to export the
display either, although its good practice i guess.

nate

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Debian Ghost wrote:

debian >Hey Guys,
debian >I would like to be able to use ethereal without having
debian >to start X from root. I've never really understood what 
debian >tells the xserver who can display, but if anyone could tell
debian >me what I am doing wrong, much appriciated!
debian >
debian >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
debian >[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> ethereal
debian >Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server
debian >Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
debian >
debian >Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:0.0
debian >
debian >Thank you kindly!
debian >
debian >D. Ghost
debian >
debian >
debian >
debian >-- 
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debian >

:::
http://www.aphroland.org/
http://www.linuxpowered.net/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
11:46am up 20 days, 19:41, 1 user, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00

ethereal and display

[Debian Ghost]

Hey Guys,
I would like to be able to use ethereal without having
to start X from root. I've never really understood what 
tells the xserver who can display, but if anyone could tell
me what I am doing wrong, much appriciated!

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> export DISPLAY=localhost:0.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc> ethereal
Xlib: connection to "localhost:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server

Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: localhost:0.0

Thank you kindly!

D. Ghost

Re: ppp/wvdial help!

[John Hasler]

Marc Maute writes:
> I have some problems with ppp/ddebian.

We can't help you without more information.  What _exactly_ have you tried
and what _exactly_ happened?
-- 
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Re: apt on non-debian system

[Jason Gunthorpe]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Piotr Krukowiecki wrote:

> I'd like to install apt on RH. I don't want to install deb's on RH.
> I want only use it as it reads in /usr/share/doc/apt/offline.txt (apt-get
> update && apt-get -d dist-upgrade with state file from other, debian
> system)
> 
> So, is it possibile ?

Sure, just grab the source and do:

make startup
make
cd build/bin
export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=`pwd`
./apt-get 

You'll need to use the configuration options that offline.txt indicates so
that you can use a custom sources.list that is not in /etc/apt/.

Jason

Re: ps2pdf and LaTeX's seminar style

[Rafael E. Herrera]

Damn, I had to make a presentation using a laptop and a projector.
I could not use a PDF file because acroread would not show the 
document in landscape. From the previous messages the way to convert
the PS to PDF is given by the next example.

Say the latex file is:

\documentclass[semhelv,landscape,12pt]{seminar}
\begin{document}
\begin{slide}
A darned slide.
\end{slide}
\end{document}

$ latex test.tex
$ dvips -Ppdf -t landscape test.dvi -o test.ps

Edit the postscript with:

Thomas Halahan wrote:
> 
> > Another person showed me that I can do what I wish by changing the
> > PostScript Prolog.  Dvips produces
> >
> > %%BeginSetup
> > %%Feature: *Resolution 1200dpi
> > TeXDict begin
> >  @landscape
> > %%EndSetup
> >
> > If I modify this to
> >
> > %%BeginSetup
> > %%Feature: *Resolution 1200dpi
> > TeXDict begin
> >   << /PageSize [792 612] /Orientation 0 >> setpagedevice
> > %%EndSetup

After checking http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a1/pdfcreat.htm we
use the cammand:

$ ps2pdf -dMaxSubsetPct=100 -dCompatibilityLevel=1.2 \
  -dSubsetFonts=true -dEmbedAllFonts=true test.ps test.pdf

$ acroread test.pdf

Now it shows right within acroread! I guess I won't be 
needing Corel Office 2000 or StarOffice now :).

-- 
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apt on non-debian system

[Piotr Krukowiecki]

Hi

I'd like to install apt on RH. I don't want to install deb's on RH.
I want only use it as it reads in /usr/share/doc/apt/offline.txt (apt-get
update && apt-get -d dist-upgrade with state file from other, debian
system)

So, is it possibile ?


-- 
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Re: fonts scaling w/h xfstt

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: Re: fonts scaling w/h xfstt
Date: Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:30:23PM -0400

In reply to:mike

Quoting mike([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>   I  needed two utilities: 'ttmkfdir' and 'mkfontdir' to do this
> in Mandrake before i started using Debian. However. i have
> been unable to locate mkfontdir since then.
>   If anyone can point me to 'mkfontdir' i'd appreciate it.
> Then its just a matter running 'ttmkfdir' to create a file called
> fonts.scale, which is used by 'mkfontdir' to create the new font
> files in fonts.dir and then adding this to font path.
> 

VT2 root-Deb-Potato:~# dpkg -S mkfontdir
xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/bin/mkfontdir
xbase-clients: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/mkfontdir.1x.gz

dists/potato/main/binary-i386/x11/xbase-clients_3.3.6-10.deb

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supercomputers.
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___

ppp/wvdial help!

[Marc Maute]

hi,
I have some problems with ppp/ddebian.
I can connect to my provider but I cant
load a page or ping to ...
So I hope you can help me.

Marc

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Re: how can I add disk space?

[William T Wilson]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, Adam Scriven wrote:

> RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives (Disks?)
> LVM stands for Logical Volume Management (IIRC).

I've always heard 'Disks' but I suppose, sooner or later someone will come
up with a drive which isn't a disk that is still suitable for RAID, and
then it will mean 'Drives'. :}

> RAID combines multiple partitions (not necessarily full drives) into
> one single drive.  Depending on the type of RAID that you use, you can
> have some sort of redundancy (RAID 5), or just combining your drives
> (RAID 0 is Striping, which is what does this, IIRC), or you can get
> pure backup with mirroring (RAID 1, again IIRC).

You're quite right.  However we should distinguish, between RAID
and the Linux multiple-disk driver.  RAID defines a method for spreading
data over multiple disks, the multiple-disk driver actually implements
this, along with some other things like linear concatenation (in which
data is stored on multiple partitions "in order" without any special
handling at all - this is the best solution for multiple partitions on
the same disk, or very often for two IDE drives on the same controller).

RAID doesn't protect against data corruption from system crash or power
failure.  For that you need to use a journaling filesystem such as
ReiserFS, ext3fs, or IBM-JFS.  In fact, in some cases it can actually make
this damage worse.  RAID only prevents damage from disk failure.

Note that the use of the multiple-disk driver to apply to partitions is
something of a Linux thing.  RAID is not required to work on partitions by
its nature.  In fact, the only time you really want to use RAID on a disk
partition is if you have got other data in other partitions on that disk
that you can't or don't want to relocate (for example, maybe it is your
root disk).  You normally do not want to make two partitions on the same
disk part of the same MD virtual device, except using linear
concatenation, as it will be extremely slow.

LVM is similar to the multiple-disk driver, and duplicates some of the
functionality, but really operates at a higher level.  Both systems allow
disks to be used as logical devices which are more flexible and capable
than the plain physical disks.  But instead of providing RAID features,
LVM allows you to dynamically allocate and resize logical volumes.  Disk
devices are put into volume groups and then logical volumes are allocated
from the volume groups.

It's usually much easier to add space to a logical volume than to shrink
one, so space is generally left unallocated until used.

LVM doesn't provide any of RAID's redundancy, but you can add MD virtual
devices to an LVM volume group.  There is currently some debate about
whether this is actually safe to do yet, although it should be safe in the
released 2.4 kernel.  For best efficiency the physical disks should all be
part of the MD virtual device and then that MD virtual device should be
the only thing in the volume group.

Re: how can I add disk space?

[James Antill]

Adam Scriven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> LVM is a much more flexible method, because it uses smaller partitions, and
> can move them around on the fly.  I haven't done as much research in this
> department, but it does seem very interesting.  Basically, you setup 
> partitions
> on your drives, and allocate those partitions to "Logical Volumes".  Then
> you mount your filesystems (/usr, /home, /var, ETC.) onto a logical volume.
> If you need more space, take space out of one LV, and move it to another,
> no problems.
> I'm very curious about LVM, since I've got a number of 15GB drives in my
> fileserver that are separate right now, that I'd like to combine into a usable
> whole, but RAID 0 doesn't give me much redundancy.
> What is the redundancy in LVM?  Is there any?
> if you lose a LV, do you lose everything (A La RAID 0), or is there some
> method of rebuilding that information (A La RAID 5)?

 At it's simplest level LVM just groups together, and manages, blocks
from separate disks (kind of like raid 0, but with more
control). However most LVMs also provide at least raid 1 over the
LVs, and I believe the Linux version supports that[1] and I think raid
5 is also planned (if not already implemented).
 I know that when IBM announced that they were planning a new type of
LVM for AIX/Linux they said they needed to do the redesign because
they wanted to support lots of different things automatically at the
LV level.

[1] This is from remembering what I've read on the Linux kernel
mailing list.

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"If we can't keep this sort of thing out of the kernel, we might as well
pack it up and go run Solaris." -- Larry McVoy.

Re: general linux questions

[Allan M. Wind]

On 2000-10-05 16:26:40, will trillich wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:40:52PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:22:06PM +0200, robert_wilhelm_land wrote:
> > >> When searching for filenames using "locate" and displaying them in
> > >> the order of their date something like "locate  | ",
> > >> (does the database include other parameters than just filenames?)
> > >
> > >not sure on this one.
> > 
> > You could try something like:
> > 
> >   locate  | xargs ls -dl
> > 
> > ... and then work out how to sort the resulting list by date.
> 
> i keep forgetting about xargs. very clever gizmo!
> 
> to sort the output by date, it's rather simple:
> 
>   locate  | xargs ls -dlt

This will fail when you exhaust the command buffer (e.g. when xargs will invoke 
ls multiple times).


/Allan
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some general (samba) questions

[Christian Schoenebeck]

Hello everybody,

I've got some questions. Hope that somebody can help me with that.
Is it possible to create a samba-user with an empty password? Because if I try 
so with smbpasswd the program denies the change.
How can I get a view which users are created on my linux-machine? This would be 
helpful to control which users should be deleted from the system (f.g. if a 
person doesn't work there anymore)?
And last question: how can I remove an user from a samba server? When I just 
try "userdel " will the user also be deleted from the smbpasswd file or 
do I have to take further steps to cleanly remove the user from the system?

Christian Schoenebeck

Re: How to mount another partition as home?

[Dave Sherohman]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 06:56:41PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:
> How do I mount another partition as home or /usr/local?
> 
> I have tried the following:
> 
> put in fstab
> 
> /dev/hda8 /home/jsext2defaults,rw,user  0  1
> 
> and it left me with a ~ directory where I can not run any binary  -
> even if I create it as js.

Maybe your mount defaults to noexec?  Try mounting it with defaults,rw,exec
and see if that works.  (The 'user' option just allows non-root users to
mount and unmount the partition.  Although that may be what you want, I
suspect that it isn't.)  For the home directory, I would suggest also
mounting it as nosuid, and you should probably consider nodev for any
mountpoint that doesn't have /dev under it.

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Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation
Date: Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:42:13PM +0100

In reply to:Glyn Millington

Quoting Glyn Millington([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> 
> I'm just over a month into Debian and have hassled the list with
> lots of my configuration problems. That being said, the
> conversion from Mandrake to Debian was relatively painless and I
> actually preferred the very interactive Debian approach; and am
> slowly discovering that almost all the information I need to sort
> out my problems is sitting here inside my box.   RTFM remains
> some of the best advice around, though sometimes it helps to be
> told where TFM IS!
> 
Don't know if you know about the apropos command or not, but it helps
in narrowing down the search.

apropos kernel

> What I need (not a complete newbie but not an expert by any
> means) is actually some help finding a path through the
> documentation; perhaps a list of the docs that would be most
> helpful to a beginner trying to, say, compile a kernel, or
> configure sound, sort out X or set up a small network. 
> 
The dwww, dhelp packages make a wealth of information easily available.
As far as the kernel goes, there is information in the Documentation
directory as well as a howto in
/usr/share/doc/en-txt/Kernel-HOWTO.txt.gz.

Note that the Howto's are _not_ Debian specific.  Therefore some
solutions might have to be changed to apply to your situation.
The howto and howto/mini directories have many helpful files.

Then after looking through all of the above, there is always
Debian User.

[Back to the original Topic]
Aptitude, which is still a work in progress, has replaced my use of
dselect, all together.  Now if Adam could just add a search
repeat function.
Using aptitude and friends, has made, IMO, Debian the best distribution, 
bar none.

Isn't Linux Great!   :-)

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Re: Weird spontaneous X (GNOME?) shutdowns...

[Jürgen A. Erhard]

> "Francesco" == Francesco Bochicchio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Francesco> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 01:27:43PM +0200, "Jürgen A. Erhard" 
wrote:
>> The only thing in syslog is a
>> 
>> gnome-name-server[500]: input condition is: 0x10, exiting
>> 
>> that seems to be at about the time X shuts down.
>> 

Francesco> Yep, but this is an effect, not the cause of X crash.
Francesco> I just looked in the c funcion that generates this
Francesco> message
Francesco> (gnome-libs-1.2.1/libgnorba/gnome-name-server.c), and
Francesco> it seems that this message when the connection with X
Francesco> is lost.  Then : the X server crasheed/exited/whatever
Francesco> and because of this GNOME issued the message.

Thanks for checking...

[... (system desc ellided)]

Francesco> From what you said and what I read in another reply to
Francesco> this post, it looks like it is happening when your
Francesco> laptop is idle for some time. This suggests two
Francesco> possible reasons (just guesses, anyway):

Francesco> - the screen saver : check if it is enabled. Try to run it and 
see
Francesco>   what happen. Try disabling it.

Tried it (set timeout to 1 minute in the GNOME CC).  Didn't shut down...

Francesco> - APM : check if it is enabled. Try to suspend/resume
Francesco>   the laptop and see what happens. Try disabling it.

Gotta check that... but I can't right now as I don't have a fallback
machine in case my laptop should hang.

I did have weird effects with APM in the past.  Like I got my laptop
set so it only switches of the display when I close it, which
(reproducibly) causes it to show a pure-white screen when I open it
again.  Gotta vts from a remote machine (IIRC) to get it back to
normal.

Francesco> Ciao.
Francesco> -- 
Francesco> FB

I your father's name's not Francesco, you're Francesco Bochicchio I
(the first), right?  Then you could make that FBI ;-)

Bye, J

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RE: ps2pdf and LaTeX's seminar style

[Jim McCloskey]

|> AHH.. I have just seen your later post about editing the pd file.
|> Question: Do you find the quality of ps2pdf satisfactory.  Are you
|> really projecting this?  Perhaps I don't have the right gs fonts or
|> something cos my fonts come out horrid.  Any tips.

This is probably an off-the-wall suggestion, but it could be
useful. If you go to the web site of the NSF (National Science
Foundation), you can find a long, detailed, and very informative
tutorial about producing PDF documents from various kinds of sources
(including (La)TeX, by way of ghostscript and ps2pdf).

The reason the tutorial is there is that NSF now requires on-line
submission of research proposals for most of its programs, and PDF is
the required format. As a consequence, they've had to develop a large
store of knowledge about how to produce good-quality PDF documents
(especially documents that will display and print reliably on systems
other than those on which they were created).  The tutorial devotes
special attention to font issues.

This is the URL:

 http://www.fastlane.nsf.gov/a1/pdfcreat.htm

I've found it very useful.

Jim

How to mount another partition as home?

[Johann Spies]

How do I mount another partition as home or /usr/local?

I have tried the following:

put in fstab

/dev/hda8   /home/jsext2defaults,rw,user  0  1

and it left me with a ~ directory where I can not run any binary  -
even if I create it as js.

I hope somebody can help me on this one.  I also want to put
/usr/local and /usr/share on different partitions, but have the same
problem there.

Johann

Debian chicken thread crashes mailer

[Pollywog]

What was in that "Debian chicken" thread anyway?  It kept crashing XFMail.
I am a vegetarian, but I didn't know XFMail was too ;)


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Re: Debian chicken

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

Jason Quigley wrote:

> --On Thursday, October 5, 2000 11:22 am +0200 Peter Hugosson-Miller
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Glad to hear it. I've been trying to get Linux installed for about 5 years,
> > and the only distribution I have looked at is Debian. Call me a masochist, 
> > but
>
> Trying to install an OS - any OS - for 5 years! I wouldn't call you a 
> masochist
> - something else - but, not a masochist!

OK, just call me a stubborn, persistent, perseverent, dyed-in-the-wool,
learn-Linux-or-die GEEK then ('cos that's what my wife calls me ;-)!

Fingers crossed for November, then...

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Re: general linux questions

[robert_wilhelm_land]

Phil Brutsche wrote:

> Use a regular expression:
> 
> find  -name "[Ss]yncpp"

The one Ethan Benson suggested is actually what I looked for,
unfortunaty the man page on my system ('98) does not contain this
option.

> > can I generaly launch "startx" out of 3 terminals and keep them all up
> > at the same time?
> > When loading X on terminal 1 and switching out of the X-session by
> > "ctrl+meta+Fx" to the next terminal where X has not been yet launched
> > - the first X11 session dies.
> > Is this a common behaviour?
> 
> No
> 
> Typically after you switch to a character console with ctrl+alt+Fx the X11
> session is put in the background.  It's still living on VT7 (you can get
> there is Alt+F7 from character mode)

Sorry, no, I tried that in previous times. After reading your message
and thinking of 'background' - I tried "startx &". This time when
switching to the terminal back and entering "fg" - reaction:
startx >/dev/console 2>%1
- only  using crtl+Z gave out:
[1]+ Stopped   startx >/dev/console 2>%1



> > Then, has someone included java kernel support when compiling the
> > kernel? Is this a reliable feature? It seems to be a great thing
> > because clients do not have to install a jre or jdk when running Java
> > apps?
> 
> You're misunderstanding what the java module does.  It's not a kernel-mode
> virtual machine - all it really does is load a pre-existing jre/jdk when
> the .jar/.java file is "executed".  It's use is depreciated as there is a
> more general way of doing that with the binfmt_misc module.  The java
> module has been removed in the upcoming 2.4 kernel release.

Oh, thats a pity. I thought it may be a sort of java acceleration -
does it mean that using this kernel option only avoids using the
binfmt_misc module when loading java apps?

> > Last one - how can I save all in- and outputs (eq. sum of all text)
> > out of the current session in the bash to a file?
> 
> I'm not sure what you're asking - can you elaborate?
Quite the one Ethan Benson suggested (script ), only without
triggering.
I guess there's nothing more useful than this command.



Robert

Re: general linux questions

[robert_wilhelm_land]

will trillich wrote:
> i keep forgetting about xargs. very clever gizmo!
> 
> to sort the output by date, it's rather simple:
> 
> locate  | xargs ls -dlt
> 
> the -d is so directoriy contents wouldn't be listed, only the directory
> item itself; -l says 'gimme a long listing' and -t says 'sort by modified
> time'...


I'm so unsure about the xargs and the exec command. Which one is
prefered, in which cases should I use one of the two?

Thanks for the command string!


Robert

Re: general linux questions

[robert_wilhelm_land]

Ethan Benson wrote:
> > how can I search for filenames which only differ in upper & lowercase
> > letters?
> > Something in the kind of:
> > find  -name "syncppp"
> > ...but should be able to find "Syncpp" (even if it doesn't exist in
> > reality)
> 
> find  -iname "syncppp"
> 
> read the find man page, man find.

Nope, not in mine. But it works fantastic - thank you very much!


> startx -- :1 vt8
> startx -- :2 vt9
> 
> will let you start multiple X sessions.  i don't usualy do things like
> this though, i have wdm running and sometimes do things like:
> 
> X -query localhost :1 vt8
> 
> to get a second x based login screen, or more interesting:
> 
> X -query dogbert :1 vt8
> 
> to get a X based login from remote machine dogbert.  (your at the
> mercy of your network security here though, the connection is NOT encrypted)

The startx command with the options you gave caused X11 to launch in
the current terminal (tty1). Just only exiting the same X11 session
resulted in one of the worst system failures I had (grey screen and no
reaction on keys) - the system was not anymore runable.



> > Last one - how can I save all in- and outputs (eq. sum of all text)
> > out of the
> > current session in the bash to a file?
> 
> script session.log

Now thats really nice! I thought more of a command which saves all
text which I suppose must be in a sort of 'bash_buffer' without
triggering the start - but this command is very helpful indeed!



Robert

Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[stefan goeman]

Hello,

I think it should be in the file tetex-base in the /etc/X11/Xresources 
directory.

I have to check this at home. 
What I did here (at the office) is enter the line
XDvi*expert: true 
in this tetex-base file and then I started xdvi and indeed, there were no 
buttons.

Greetings,

Stefan Goeman


On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 09:13:49AM -0500, David A. Rogers wrote:
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:
> 
> Well, don't be shy.  Share the answer please.
> 
> dar
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Ignore my previous message. I think I have found it
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Stefan
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 01:46:05PM +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > Interesting. I will try this at home. (Here at work I don't have this 
> > > problem)
> > > 
> > > One small question. In which file should I have specified this expert 
> > > mode?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Greetings,
> > > 
> > > Stefan.
> > > 
> > > 

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Re: neighbour table overflow

[Marek Habersack]

** On Oct 06, Robert Lazzurs scribbled:
> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000, Marek Habersack wrote:
> 
> > ** On Oct 05, Robert Lazzurs scribbled:
> > 
> > > > > I have now compiled and installed a custom 2.2.17 kernel as I thought 
> > > > > it
> > > > > might have been a problem with the kernel image that debian provides, 
> > > > > but
> > > > > it is not!
> > > > > 
> > > > > Any help would be vvvnice :)
> > > > Check whether you have the lo network interface up. If not - start it. 
> > > > This
> > > > should cure your problem.
> > > > 
> > > > marek
> > > 
> > > I have tried, but it does not appear to be setup, have you any ideas on
> > > how I can do this?
> > What Debian distro are you using?
> > 
> > marek
>  
> Potato, thanks again - Rab
OK. there are two ways of doing it:

1. Check out whether you have the /etc/networ/interfaces file. If it's
   there, just add the following line at the top of it:

   iface lo inet loopback

   After doing so, execute the following command line as root:

   ifup -a

2. If #1 isn't working for you for some reason, you can use the older
   approach:

   Check whether you have the /etc/init.d/network script. If it's there
   try putting the following lines at the top (below the shebang):

   ifconfig lo 127.0.0.1
   route add -net 127.0.0.0

   From now on on every startup the lo interface should be configured and
   running. You can type those commands without restarting the machine, of
   course.


hope that helps

marek


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Re: how can I add disk space?

[Adam Scriven]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 04:20:19PM +0200, Markus Stahl wrote:
> And what do you mean with "LVM is more flexible" (and by the way 
> what does RAID and LVM mean?)?

RAID stands for Redundant Array of Inexpensive Drives (Disks?)
LVM stands for Logical Volume Management (IIRC).

I've done quite a bit of research on this subject, since I too have a multiple
drive "problem", and this is what I've come up with.

RAID combines multiple partitions (not necessarily full drives) into one
single drive.  Depending on the type of RAID that you use, you can have some
sort of redundancy (RAID 5), or just combining your drives (RAID 0 is Striping,
which is what does this, IIRC), or you can get pure backup with mirroring (RAID
1, again IIRC).

LVM is a much more flexible method, because it uses smaller partitions, and
can move them around on the fly.  I haven't done as much research in this
department, but it does seem very interesting.  Basically, you setup partitions
on your drives, and allocate those partitions to "Logical Volumes".  Then
you mount your filesystems (/usr, /home, /var, ETC.) onto a logical volume.
If you need more space, take space out of one LV, and move it to another,
no problems.
I'm very curious about LVM, since I've got a number of 15GB drives in my
fileserver that are separate right now, that I'd like to combine into a usable
whole, but RAID 0 doesn't give me much redundancy.
What is the redundancy in LVM?  Is there any?
if you lose a LV, do you lose everything (A La RAID 0), or is there some
method of rebuilding that information (A La RAID 5)?

I hope this helped (and was correct, please tell me if it wasn't!).
Adam

Re: ps2pdf and LaTeX's seminar style

[Thomas Halahan]

Maybe a better way to do this, rather than edit the ps file is to
issue 

>> dvips -t landscape filename.dvi -o

to get the landscape ps file.  However when you convert to pdf the
page is shown sideways and on my acroread i cannot rotate it. 
Viewing a presentation sideways is not fun.  Any ideas how you can
get acroread to view true landscape?

Tom

> Thanks for the suggestion.  It is not easy to do that because the
> seminar style uses several PostScript specials.  These would all have
> to be rewritten to used pdflatex.  Also, I am incorporating PostScript
> figures into the slides.  I would have to convert all of them to PDF
> for pdflatex.
> 
> Another person showed me that I can do what I wish by changing the
> PostScript Prolog.  Dvips produces 
> 
> %%BeginSetup
> %%Feature: *Resolution 1200dpi
> TeXDict begin
>  @landscape
> %%EndSetup
> 
> If I modify this to 
> 
> %%BeginSetup
> %%Feature: *Resolution 1200dpi
> TeXDict begin
>   << /PageSize [792 612] /Orientation 0 >> setpagedevice
> %%EndSetup
> 
> I can convert the PostScript file to PDF with ps2pdf and get the
> desired orientation.
> 

Re: Newbie Question

[Lorand Somogyi]

Why not using apt-get??
Like ``apt-get install whatever''.
(But first do ``apt-cdrom add'' 
for the whole set of Potato CDs,
that will read the package info.
You have to do this only once...
The source for this is at 
``/etc/apt/sources.list'' file)
For example:
# apt-cdrom add 
(loop for the whole CD set)
# apt-get install joe

Or if you want to upgrade the whole 
distribution do:
# apt-get dist-upgrade

Bye, 
Lori.

>> Original Message <<

On 10/6/00, 2:56:54 PM, Matt Grant <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote 
regarding Newbie Question:


>  I installed 2.1 then used dselect to install
> apps from 2.2 Potato disk 1 and 2. I have at least 9 dependency problems
> and return status 1 errors after install, configure, and remove.

> I suspect it's a kernel thing but I have never recompiled a kernel.

> Should I just re-install the system with the 2.2 disks or should I keep 
struggleing with it.


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Re: Newbie Question

[Colin Watson]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Matt Grant) wrote:
> I installed 2.1 then used dselect to install
>apps from 2.2 Potato disk 1 and 2. I have at least 9 dependency problems
>and return status 1 errors after install, configure, and remove.
>
>I suspect it's a kernel thing but I have never recompiled a kernel.

No, it's unlikely to be the kernel. Could you show us the messages,
please? Otherwise I'm afraid it's hard to tell what's wrong; it may be
due to the Perl reorganization between slink and potato.

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Re: how can I add disk space?

[Markus Stahl]

Can't you perhaps remember the name of the package for the 
multiple-disks-tools? This would be very helpful. Or does anybody 
else know how the package is called?
And what do you mean with "LVM is more flexible" (and by the way 
what does RAID and LVM mean?)?


Date sent:  Thu, 5 Oct 2000 15:03:16 -0400 (EDT)
From:   William T Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Copies to:  debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:Re: how can I add disk space?

> On Thu, 5 Oct 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > There must be a way to use both HDs' disk space, isn't there one?
> 
> There are a few options.
> 
> First, you can mount one disk in the directory tree underneath the other.  
> This will allow you to have the data written into that subdirectory stored
> on one drive, and the data written elsewhere stored on the other.  This is
> probably the easiest all-around option but depending on your data you
> might not be able to arrange it so easily.
> 
> You could also export the new drive separately from the old one, so that
> users would be able to select between the old share and the new one.
> 
> If you really need to have both drives combined into a single partition
> you will have to use the MD (multiple disks) driver.  To do this you need
> to add MD support to your kernel and read the Multi-Disk HOWTO and maybe
> the Software-RAID HOWTO or the LVM HOWTO (LVM is more flexible, but
> requires you to do patches or use the 2.4 kernel which is a major topic in
> itself).
> 
> You should be able to find a package for the MD-tools you'll need to
> combine the volumes; I don't, unfortunately, know what it's called.
> 

Re: how can I add disk space?

[Markus Stahl]

Yes, I have transfered the old /home tree to the new drive. I just 
didn't write it, because I thought it would be unnecessary. My 
problem is, I want to combine the capacity of both HDs. Because 
when I just mount the new drive to one point (in my case at /home), 
every data written in this directory will just be saved on the new 
drive. But I want to use also the capacity of the other disk (at this 
mountpoint), too. Just how?


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Date sent:  Thu, 5 Oct 2000 09:15:23 -0700
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject:Re: how can I add disk space?
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> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:45:46PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL 
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> > Hello!
> >=20
> > I've got a samba-file-server whichs disk resources are getting very=20
> > low, so I have to add new disk space.
> > I've already tried to install a new HD and mounted it into /home=20
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> > now all datas are only written on the new HD instead of useing the=20
> > disk space of both HDs.
> > There must be a way to use both HDs' disk space, isn't there one?
> 
> Post output from:
> 
>$ df
>$ mount
>$ cat /etc/fstab
> 
> Unless you've combined multiple hard drives in some fashion (RAID,
> striping, mirroring, LVM), a given file is written to only one location.
> 
> Did you transfer your old /home tree to the new drive?
> 
> What are you hoping to accomplish?
> 
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Re: how can I add disk space?

[Markus Stahl]

Date sent:  Thu, 5 Oct 2000 11:00:38 -0400
From:   Andrew Sullivan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject:Re: how can I add disk space?

Isn't there a way to combine the two HDs' capacity without 
recompiling the kernel (maybe by just loading a module or 
something) or can I perhaps just download such a kernel which 
allows multiple devices driver support? Because compiling a kernel 
is a little bit to hard for me.
And when I do so, do I have to backup the data on both HDs or just 
of the second (new) drive?


> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:45:46PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Hello!
> > 
> > I've got a samba-file-server whichs disk resources are getting very 
> > low, so I have to add new disk space.
> > I've already tried to install a new HD and mounted it into /home 
> > (where all my samba datas are being saved). But the problem is 
> > now all datas are only written on the new HD instead of useing the 
> > disk space of both HDs.
> > There must be a way to use both HDs' disk space, isn't there one?
> 
> Well, maybe, but not an easy one if you haven't already compiled in
> the option.
> 
> You can add a new disk inside the filesystem.  So,
> 
> # mount /dev/newdisk /mnt
> # cp -a /home/* /mnt
> # umount /mnt
> # umount /home
> # mount /dev/newdisk /home
> 
> Now your new disk on on /home, with all the old data.  That won't get
> you the old disk, though.
> 
> To do that, you could mount the old disk as /home2, and symlink some
> directories from inside /home onto /home2.  That would allow you to
> use both disks.  It requires manual work, though, so it's a pain.
> 
> You can recompile your kernel to allow "multiple devices driver
> support" (under block devices), but you'll need to pull all your old
> data off the partition to do it, I think.  This is a way to make a
> software RAID out of the partitions.  The problem is that the
> partition is not RAIDed now, so you'd need to backup, make the raid
> (i.e. make the two drives one device), and then resore all your data. 
> I _might_ be wrong that you have to do it this way (read the docs,
> because I've never done this), but I am pretty sure you do.
> 
> A
> 
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Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[David A. Rogers]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:

Well, don't be shy.  Share the answer please.

dar

> Hello,
> 
> Ignore my previous message. I think I have found it
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 01:46:05PM +, stefan goeman wrote:
> > Hello,
> > 
> > Interesting. I will try this at home. (Here at work I don't have this 
> > problem)
> > 
> > One small question. In which file should I have specified this expert mode?
> > 
> > 
> > Greetings,
> > 
> > Stefan.
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:39:08PM +0200, Daniel Reuter wrote:
> > > Hello Stefan,
> > > 
> > > Seems to me more like a xdvi configuration problem. Are you sure, that you
> > > havn't specified the expert option either in your X-resources or on the
> > > command line? Because that would make the buttons go away.
> > > 
> > > Regards,
> > > Daniel
> > > 
> > > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 graphics card. It seems that it is 
> > > > almost impossible to get this working with XFree86-v3.3.6, therefore I 
> > > > installed XFree86-v.4.0.1. Now my X environement seems to work well. By 
> > > > the way, more info about installing X with ATI card can be found at
> > > > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html
> > > > 
> > > > I had one small problem. When I rebooted, the PC hang when initializing 
> > > > XFS. So far I have not found the reasom why and I just had to remove 
> > > > S30xfs from /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d disabeling XFS. 
> > > > 
> > > > I had the impression that everything worked well until I started xdvi. 
> > > > The buttons (like Quit, Abort, Again, ...) are not present. I have no 
> > > > idea why and what I can do about this.
> > > > 
> > > > Anybody any ideas??
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > P.S.: I already posted this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, sorry for 
> > > > cross-posting this message.
> > > > 
> > 
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Re: debian-user-digest Digest V100 #170

[Dale Amon]

> this though, i have wdm running and sometimes do things like:
> 
> X -query localhost :1 vt8
> 
> to get a second x based login screen, or more interesting:
> 
> X -query dogbert :1 vt8
> 
> to get a X based login from remote machine dogbert.  (your at the
> mercy of your network security here though, the connection is NOT encrypted)
> 

Does anyone know how to set up a Login.app based X system to have a second
console? It uses inittab for starting up rather than xdm.

ISDN question

[Peter Hugosson-Miller]

I've noticed quite a few questions about ISDN recently, and I must admit I'm a 
bit
confused.

In my NT4 and OS/2 installations there is no difference between a "normal" 
modem and
an ISDN one. I just tell the dialler program which serial port the modem is on, 
and
set the port speed to max, and fill in all the AT strings to configure it to 
run as I
want (single channel, dual channel, BOD, etc).

What is the difference in Linux, and specifically, why is there a difference?

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Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[Keith G. Murphy]

Jan Ulrich Hasecke wrote:
> 
> 
> So I had no problems. But if someone never saw his Linux-guru-friend
> writing the line "S3:2345:respawn:/sbin/mgetty -x 3 ttyS3" into
> inittab to get the fax running, how can he ever configure it?
> 
The Debian mgetty package does that for you, in the form of a comment,
which you can modify and uncomment.  That's at least a broad hint.

Whereas with the RedHat RPM, I had to figure it out on my own.

I've always found that the extras the Debian maintainers put into the
packages make it easier to get them running.

Granted, to some extent I'm comparing old RedHat and new Debian.  Guess
why.  ;-)

ISDN after upgrade to potato

[Veit Waltemath]

Hey list,

I'm new to Debian so i fiddle a bit with it. I installed a 2.1,
configurated the ISDN-Devices and upgrade via apt-get dist-upgrade to
potato. All went well.
Now my ISDN System not dial automatically, i allways have to use
isdnctrl.
I have a look in the doc and saw that i have to configure the
/etc/network/interfaces.
This file is empty. What i have to do that my box is autodialing.
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RE: ps2pdf and LaTeX's seminar style

[Thomas Halahan]

I tried this recently.

What happened was that ps2pdf gave rubbish looking results.  I don't
know why this happens, but the quality is far worse than for pdflatex.

pdflatex, whilst quality is good, doesn't recofgnise the \specials
from fancybox package of pstricks of some such.  Therefore the
pdflatex semainar presentation comes out without a border and not the
right size.

If you do find a solution tell me.  I saw that one user of seminar
recomended VTEX but i could be bothered to learn that.

check out  http://www.tug.org/applications/Seminar/

AHH.. I have just seen your later post about editing the pd file. 
Question:  Do you find the quality of ps2pdf satisfactory.  Are you
really projecting this?  Perhaps I don't have the right gs fonts or
something cos my fonts come out horrid.  Any tips.

Tom


On Tue, 03 Oct 2000, Stephenson, Paul wrote:
> Douglas Bates <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have created a presentation in LaTeX using the seminar style.  I use
> > landscape orientation for the slides.  The room where I want to give
> > the presentation has a computer running Windows with Acrobat Reader
> > available.  I would like to convert the slides to PDF and use the
> > full-screen feature of Acrobat to display them.
> > 
> > My difficulty is that ps2pdf does not follow the papersize hints.  The
> > resultant PDF file is rotated 90 degrees when I try to view it.
> 
> Just a thought: have you tried generating PDF directly from the LaTeX
> source with pdflatex?  I have no idea whether this will solve your
> problem, but it might be worth a try.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
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Re: modem performance w/pon vs. wvdial

[John Hasler]

John Kerr Anderson writes:
> Do I need to change the modem initialization string (inside the modem),
> if so, how do I accomplish that?

Run pppconfig, go to 'Advanced', choose 'Modemint', and edit the
initialization string.
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Newbie Question

[Matt Grant]

 I installed 2.1 then used dselect to install
apps from 2.2 Potato disk 1 and 2. I have at least 9 dependency problems
and return status 1 errors after install, configure, and remove.

I suspect it's a kernel thing but I have never recompiled a kernel.

Should I just re-install the system with the 2.2 disks or should I keep 
struggleing with it. 

Re: Citrix ICA client on Debian 2.2

[Damon Muller]

Quoth Tony Holroyd, 
> Has anyone successfully installed the Citrix ICA client on a Debian 2.2 box.

I run it on such a box at work. It needs the libc5 version of libXaw,
which can be found in the xlib6 package (which probably depends on
libc5, but let apt worry about that for you).

If you can live without sound, have the X11 stuff installed on your
terminal server, and are on a LAN (as opposed to a dial-up), Xnest is
considerably faster and works much the same way. If you would like
further details, just let me know.

cheers,

damon

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Re: Can shell-script be setuid ?

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:22:49AM -0500, Brad wrote:

> > No.  Linux doesn't support this since it is insecure.  It works with perl
> > scripts only, because Perl does some extra checks and explicit handling to
> > make it work.
> 
> Also, doesn't perl use a special suid binary to run these scripts,
> because as far as the kernel is concerned it just hands it to
> /usr/bin/perl non-suid. Perl detects that the script is suid, and does
> the security handling and restarts suid with that binary.

Man, I am a full-time perl coder and I didn't know that. I learn more
about this bloody language every day. ;-)

Mike

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Re: Can not allocate colormap

[Michael P. Soulier]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 03:25:47PM +0200, Johann Spies wrote:

> However, I solved gvim's problem by putting 
> 
> Vim*scrollBackground: Black
> Vim*scrollForeground: Blue
> 
> in ~/.vimrc
> 
> The same 
> 
> GV*scrollBackground:  Black
> GV*scrollForeground:  Blue
> 
> did not work for GV.

You can set resources mentioned in the gv manpage in your $HOME/.Xdefaults
file. 
Remember to merge it into your current session when you modify it. 
ie. xrdb -merge ~/.Xdefaults

Mike

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Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[stefan goeman]

Hello,

Ignore my previous message. I think I have found it

Greetings,

Stefan


On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 01:46:05PM +, stefan goeman wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Interesting. I will try this at home. (Here at work I don't have this problem)
> 
> One small question. In which file should I have specified this expert mode?
> 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan.
> 
> 
> On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:39:08PM +0200, Daniel Reuter wrote:
> > Hello Stefan,
> > 
> > Seems to me more like a xdvi configuration problem. Are you sure, that you
> > havn't specified the expert option either in your X-resources or on the
> > command line? Because that would make the buttons go away.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Daniel
> > 
> > On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:
> > 
> > > Hello,
> > > 
> > > 
> > > I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 graphics card. It seems that it is almost 
> > > impossible to get this working with XFree86-v3.3.6, therefore I installed 
> > > XFree86-v.4.0.1. Now my X environement seems to work well. By the way, 
> > > more info about installing X with ATI card can be found at
> > > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html
> > > 
> > > I had one small problem. When I rebooted, the PC hang when initializing 
> > > XFS. So far I have not found the reasom why and I just had to remove 
> > > S30xfs from /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d disabeling XFS. 
> > > 
> > > I had the impression that everything worked well until I started xdvi. 
> > > The buttons (like Quit, Abort, Again, ...) are not present. I have no 
> > > idea why and what I can do about this.
> > > 
> > > Anybody any ideas??
> > > 
> > > 
> > > P.S.: I already posted this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, sorry for 
> > > cross-posting this message.
> > > 
> 
> -- 
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Citrix ICA client on Debian 2.2

[Tony Holroyd]

Has anyone successfully installed the Citrix ICA client on a Debian 2.2 box.

I am getting 
can't load library libXaw.so.6.
messages.
LibXaw is on the box,
Any hints?

Tony Holroyd
IT Network Manager
Velmore Ltd

Re: comments on dselect...not unreasonable

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 10:39:16PM +1100, Damon Muller wrote:
> 
> I'm sure people are going to disagree with my assessment, claiming
> that dselect is user friendly, it's just that all the users are too
> stupid to use it. So maybe we need some good data.

dselect is user friendly, its just picky about who its friends with.

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Re: OT: mailing list, bounce-debian-user ?

[Damon Muller]

Hi Karsten,

Quoth kmself@ix.netcom.com, 
> I'm getting a number of messages apparently sent or resent from
> bounce-debian-user.  I've also had some significant procmail recipie
> problems in recent weeks resulting in inappropriate message rejection,
> particularly from mailing lists.  

I believe that the debian list server sets the envelope sender for email
from the list to bounce-debian-user-@list.debian.org (or
something). If a properly configured MTA has to bounce a message, the
list server will know what address is giving it grief, and if it happens
enough times, which to remove. At least, that's my (admittedly limited)
understanding.

I have seen at least one bounce from a badly configured MTA which sent
the mail back to me (the From: address), but did not include it's own
from address. Mutt, for some reason, seemed to put the
bounce-debian-user address in the From: field when it displayed the
mail. Maybe this is what you are seeing.

Just a thought...

damon


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Re: Software to record console output (sort of...)

[Damon Muller]

Quoth Ethan Benson, 
> > Someone has asked me to do something and record what I do so that he can
> > see how it works, but I can't for the life of me remember what this
> > program was called. I've tried searching through apt-cache and apropos
> > for record, script, pager, etc., but no joy.
> 
> script is what your looking for, its in bsdutils.

Thanks, that was what I was after. Seconds after I posted this I read
another posting that mentioned it too... weird!

(Obviously I didn't look closely enough when I did `apropos script', as
I see now it's in there 3 times!)

cheers,

damon

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Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[stefan goeman]

Hello,

Interesting. I will try this at home. (Here at work I don't have this problem)

One small question. In which file should I have specified this expert mode?


Greetings,

Stefan.


On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 12:39:08PM +0200, Daniel Reuter wrote:
> Hello Stefan,
> 
> Seems to me more like a xdvi configuration problem. Are you sure, that you
> havn't specified the expert option either in your X-resources or on the
> command line? Because that would make the buttons go away.
> 
> Regards,
> Daniel
> 
> On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> > 
> > 
> > I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 graphics card. It seems that it is almost 
> > impossible to get this working with XFree86-v3.3.6, therefore I installed 
> > XFree86-v.4.0.1. Now my X environement seems to work well. By the way, more 
> > info about installing X with ATI card can be found at
> > http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html
> > 
> > I had one small problem. When I rebooted, the PC hang when initializing 
> > XFS. So far I have not found the reasom why and I just had to remove S30xfs 
> > from /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d disabeling XFS. 
> > 
> > I had the impression that everything worked well until I started xdvi. The 
> > buttons (like Quit, Abort, Again, ...) are not present. I have no idea why 
> > and what I can do about this.
> > 
> > Anybody any ideas??
> > 
> > 
> > P.S.: I already posted this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, sorry for 
> > cross-posting this message.
> > 

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Re: comments on dselect...not unreasonable

[Damon Muller]

Quoth Walter Tautz, 

> I would slightly concur with your assessment of dselect but
> only in the sense that it lists simply too many packages. I 
> am not sure, but perhaps it is possible to present the various
> software types in a less verbose manner. Sort of like the slrn
> news reader where one could collapse dependency trees depending
> on the software. It would be nice to collapse certain dependency
> trees while maintaining others..

Every now and then on the list we have a healthy flamewar about the pros
and cons of dselect. Those who are new to debian argue that dselect is
unintuitive and hard to use. Those who have an emotional investment in
dselect (ie., they wrote it, or experienced the pain of learning how to
use it), argue that online help is available and easy to find.

While online help is certainly available, that doesn't cut it if we want
debian to be a usable distribution. Yes, Unix/Linux is hard to learn, as
it should be, but many people will be put off if they can't make it
through such an essential step in installation. The fact that so many
people complain about dselect is suficient proof that it's too difficult
to use. The fact that so many people accidently delete all the packages
in their system establishes that it's not designed for novice users
(ie., those installing debian for the first time).

Part of the problem is the wonderful number of packages available to be
installed in debian. While 4000+ packages is great for debian users,
going through them all in the one list in dselect is clearly
unreasonable. Maybe collapsing categories or something would be useful,
but it's unworkable as it stands.

There are, of course, other alternatives to dselect, such as aptitute
and capt, but AFAIK neither of these are installed by default. With the
tasks packages it may not be as necessary for those installing to even
see dselect, but if you want to browse the available packages, it's
probably more likely to be used than: 

cat /var/state/apt/lists/* | grep ^Package: |less

or similar.

Unfortunatly dselect is something of a sacred cow in debian. It's like
an ugly and dangerous, but historically significant, building that can't
be renovated or pulled down, but which people try to avoid looking at.
Maybe one day it'll be replaced by something easier to use, but I'm not
holding my breath.

I'm sure people are going to disagree with my assessment, claiming
that dselect is user friendly, it's just that all the users are too
stupid to use it. So maybe we need some good data.

Is there anyone out there in debian-user land who is into computers,
studying psychology[1], and looking for a little project? Set up a
little experiment getting niave (windows?) users to try and install a
number of packages using dselect. To make it interesting, throw in a few
examples with hairy dependencies. Keep track of things like number of
errors, time taken, use of help, and the number who result in a totally
fscked system. There is shite loads of literature out there on HCI and
usability studies, so you should have no trouble setting it all up
properly. Feed back your results to debain-user, and to the maintainers
of dselect, capt, aptitude, etc.

This is something I'd love to do myself, but unfortunately I've now
moved out of psych to criminology (while HCI is interesting, homicide is
much cooler!).

Cheers,

damon (who has his asbestos suit standing by...)

[1] HCI and usability isn't something that should be done by computer
scientists unless they have a particular intrest in the field - they
bring too many prior preconceptions to the studies.

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kernel-2.2's ip_masq* modules equivalent in 2.4 kernel to use netfilter

[Livia Admin]

hi lists.
i'm just trying to get ready in using netfilter in 2.4 kernel
just want to ask a question ... to any of you who had tried it

1) what's the alternate modules in 2.4 that're 2.2-kernel's ip_masq* modules?

Re: Software to record console output (sort of...)

[Ethan Benson]

On Fri, Oct 06, 2000 at 09:39:17PM +1100, Damon Muller wrote:
> 
> Someone has asked me to do something and record what I do so that he can
> see how it works, but I can't for the life of me remember what this
> program was called. I've tried searching through apt-cache and apropos
> for record, script, pager, etc., but no joy.

script is what your looking for, its in bsdutils.

> Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Can anyone remember what it was
> called?

script

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Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[Damon Muller]

Quoth James Antill, 
> > Try apt-find.
> 
> # dpkg -S apt-find
> dpkg: *apt-find* not found.
> # apt-get install apt-find 
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> E: Couldn't find package apt-find

I think what he means is apt-cache. Try man apt-cache.

cheers,

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Software to record console output (sort of...)

[Damon Muller]

Hi gang,

I remember years and year ago, when I first installed debian (bo, I
think), the install instructions recommended that you run this little
program that records everything that happens on the console. I think it
just saves it to an ascii file with escape codes, but if you catted the
resulting file, it would play back everything on the screen, so you
could see what you screwed^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hdid.

Someone has asked me to do something and record what I do so that he can
see how it works, but I can't for the life of me remember what this
program was called. I've tried searching through apt-cache and apropos
for record, script, pager, etc., but no joy.

Does anyone know what I'm talking about? Can anyone remember what it was
called?

cheers,

damon

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Re: (1) xdvi (2) ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 & Xfree86-v4.0.1

[Daniel Reuter]

Hello Stefan,

Seems to me more like a xdvi configuration problem. Are you sure, that you
havn't specified the expert option either in your X-resources or on the
command line? Because that would make the buttons go away.

Regards,
Daniel

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, stefan goeman wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> 
> I have an ATI Rage Fury Pro 128 graphics card. It seems that it is almost 
> impossible to get this working with XFree86-v3.3.6, therefore I installed 
> XFree86-v.4.0.1. Now my X environement seems to work well. By the way, more 
> info about installing X with ATI card can be found at
> http://www4.ncsu.edu/~distclai/rage128-howto.html
> 
> I had one small problem. When I rebooted, the PC hang when initializing XFS. 
> So far I have not found the reasom why and I just had to remove S30xfs from 
> /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d disabeling XFS. 
> 
> I had the impression that everything worked well until I started xdvi. The 
> buttons (like Quit, Abort, Again, ...) are not present. I have no idea why 
> and what I can do about this.
> 
> Anybody any ideas??
> 
> 
> P.S.: I already posted this message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] So, sorry for 
> cross-posting this message.
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> Stefan Goeman.
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Re: 2.2.4pre9 and modules

[Damian Menscher]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, mallum wrote:

> To get support for my new ata100 drive , last night I installed the 2.2.4pre9
> kernel ( using kernel-package ) . It all went fine (the drive worked) ... but
> then I noticed non of the modules Id selected seemed to be loading on boot.
> 
> I checked /lib/modules/2.2.4pre9 and non of the modules Id selected during the
> kernel config were there. I tried again and again but alas no modules seemed
> to be getting compiled. I checked the docs for kernel-package and it said
> something about modules not being compiled when the kernel version has an
> epoch ?

Just to be sure, did you remember to do a
make modules
make modules_install
?

Once the modules are there in /lib/modules/release/ check that they are
listed in your /etc/modules file.

HTH,

Damian Menscher
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Re: setuid question

[Colin Watson]

Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>Can somebody explain to me what setuid does?
>
>I have installed Debian 2.2 and copied my old home(~) directory on to the
>new installation.  The difference between the old home and the new one
>is 
>
>old: drwxr-xr-x
>new: drwxr-sr-x

That isn't setuid, it's setgid (set-group-id) - and it isn't really
related to your problem at all. The setgid bit on a directory causes all
files created in that directory to have the same group as the directory
by default.

>Now I can not as user run binaries situated in my own bin directory.
>
>I thought a setup like that would allow only me or users of my group
>to run binaries in my home directory.

That'll be determined by the ownership and permissions of the binaries
in question. My suspicion is that you created a new user with the same
name as your old one when you installed Debian, but weren't aware that
it's actually the *number* of the user id that matters, not the name; by
default, Red Hat-derived distributions start their numbering at 500,
while Debian-derived distributions start at 1000. You can either change
your user id's number in /etc/passwd (and run 'pwconv' if you're using
shadow passwords) or else use a combination of 'find' and 'xargs' to
change the ownership of all the files in your home directory.

If I'm right, then instead of seeing symbolic user names in the output
of 'ls -l ~', you'll see numeric user ids.

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Re: Article: Debian's Daunting Installation

[Brent Buchholz]

On Fri, 6 Oct 2000, will trillich wrote:

>On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 09:42:13PM +0100, Glyn Millington wrote:
>   % help
>   help: Command not found.
>

What shell are you using?

ihatemilk:/home/ihatemilk% help
GNU bash, version 2.04.0(1)-release (i386-pc-linux-gnu)
These shell commands are defined internally.  Type `help' to see this list.
Type `help name' to find out more about the function `name'.
Use `info bash' to find out more about the shell in general.

A star (*) next to a name means that the command is disabled.

 %[DIGITS | WORD] [&]   . filename
 :  [ arg... ]
 alias [-p] [name[=value] ... ] bg [job_spec]
 bind [-lpvsPVS] [-m keymap] [-f fi break [n]
 builtin [shell-builtin [arg ...]]  case WORD in [PATTERN [| PATTERN].
 cd [-PL] [dir] command [-pVv] command [arg ...]
 compgen [-abcdefjkvu] [-A action]  complete [-abcdefjkvu] [-pr] [-A a
 continue [n]   declare [-afFrxi] [-p] name[=value
 dirs [-clpv] [+N] [-N] disown [-h] [-ar] [jobspec ...]
 echo [-neE] [arg ...]  enable [-pnds] [-a] [-f filename] 
 eval [arg ...] exec [-cl] [-a name] file [redirec
 exit [n]   export [-nf] [name ...] or export 

Oh, and don't forget about dhelp either.

Brent

2.2.4pre9 and modules

[mallum]

Aloha All;

To get support for my new ata100 drive , last night I installed the 2.2.4pre9
kernel ( using kernel-package ) . It all went fine (the drive worked) ... but
then I noticed non of the modules Id selected seemed to be loading on boot.

I checked /lib/modules/2.2.4pre9 and non of the modules Id selected during the
kernel config were there. I tried again and again but alas no modules seemed
to be getting compiled. I checked the docs for kernel-package and it said
something about modules not being compiled when the kernel version has an
epoch ?

Am I doing something completely stupid here ?

mallum

Re: Basic Debian firewall

[will trillich]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 08:01:31AM -0500, Rogelio E. Castillo Haro wrote:


>About this,
>
>In my linuxbox startup configuration, I don't know where are the
>initialization scripts for ipchains, or where can I put my own
>scripts, someone knows where is the right place?

all DEBIAN init stuff is in /etc/init.d/* ...

for runlevel N, look in /etc/rc.d/* (e.g. for
the default runlevel 2, try /etc/rc2.d/*). those are
symlinks to the actual scripts in /etc/init.d/*.

K* are run as 'command stop' to halt a daemon, and
S* are run as 'command start' to launch a daemon or
start some service.

man update-rc.d

update-rc.d is a handy command to link and unlink
/etc/init.d/* scripts into and out-of various /etc/rc*.d/
directories (runlevels).

but--

ignore all that if you can avoid it.

1) apt-get install ipmasq
2) set up your /etc/network/interfaces
3) ifup -a

4) ipmasq

5) do productive work

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Re: nvi/ex keeps mailing me....

[will trillich]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 04:26:12PM -0700, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 05:26:32PM -0500, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > but even with -r, the 'recoverable' sessions all show up in different
> > vi buffers... if you don't want to save what's in all those buffers,
> > how do you make them go away? even with ^Wc to close, vi says
> > "check other buffers" even if i've already ^Wc closed them...
> 
> I don't use nvi.

i don't either. elvis lives! (is there a grudge against elvis? pro's? con's?)

> vim saves temp files under the local directory as a hidden ("dot") file,
> IIRC.  A few judicious 'ls -a's might turn up something interesting.

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Fetchmail problem: long pauses

[Anthony Campbell]

In the last few days I have a problem with fetchmail. It has slowed down
dramatically.

At each ISP mailserver I connect to the following happens:

Fetchmail starts to read the first message and says it is rewriting
various addresses. It then hang for about 3 minutes before starting to
collect all the mail. This goes normally but the same thing happens at
the next ISP.

Using the -vv switch doesn't show any errors.

I think something must be misconfigured but what? I don't remember
changing anything.

Anthony

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Free translation: "Holdfast is your only dog."

Re: separate alias/redirect files for different domains using sendmail

[will trillich]

On Thu, Oct 05, 2000 at 10:52:48PM +0200, Taco IJsselmuiden wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I'm trying to figure out how to be able to use separate alias/redirect
> files for different domains (like a .redirect in their home-dir), so I (as
> admin) don't have to keep updating the aliases, because someone wants an
> extra email-alias for his/her domain, but I can't find anything ;((
> 
> Is it a 'standard' sendmail-config, or do i need an other package.

on my potato box,
man sendmail
shows
SYNOPSIS
exim [options] arguments ...
mailq [options] arguments ...
rmail [options] arguments ...
rsmtp [options] arguments ...
runq [options] arguments ...
sendmail [options] arguments ...
so these are all related.

in my /etc/exim.conf i've got

local_domains = 
localhost:*dontUthink.com:partial-lsearch;/etc/exim/DOMAINS

and further down in the 'directors' section:

# check aliases for virtual hosts --
#   virtual hostname-->alias file mapping is in /etc/exim/DOMAINS
#   @-->is in /etc/exim/ from DOMAINS
#   and global default aliases '*: someone' is possible in each
#   virtual host alias file, because we use 'search_type=lsearch*'

virtual_aliases:
driver = aliasfile
domains = "partial-lsearch;/etc/exim/DOMAINS"
file_transport = address_file
pipe_transport = address_pipe
file = /etc/exim/${domain_data}
search_type = "lsearch*"

now, the /etc/exim/DOMAINS file resembles this:

# *.domain.name /etc/exim/
*.dontuthink.com:   dontuthink
*.serensoft.com:serensoft
*.bucks2browse.com: bucks2browse
*.buckstobrowse.com:bucks2browse

any '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' address is looked up in the
config file /etc/exim/dontuthink; any email to someone in
the '@buckstobrowse.com' or '@bucks2browse.com' domain
is directed to aliases in the /etc/exim/bucks2browse file.

for instance, /etc/exim/dontuthink could look like this:
puz:will
admin:  will
kat*:   kat
sales:  rdt
*:  will

so mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go to user 'kat';
mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] will go to user 'will'
(by default, thanks to the final '*' alias).

--

for your domain-per-user setup (as i gather from your
message) you can instead refer to individual user alias
files:

# /etc/exim.conf
virtual_aliases:
driver = aliasfile
domains = "partial-lsearch;/etc/exim/DOMAINS"
file_transport = address_file
pipe_transport = address_pipe
# here's the kicker: ###
file = /home/${domain_data}/.mail_aliases
# or whatever you need for your setup###
search_type = "lsearch*"

cool, eh? (if one of your users doesn't have a matching
.mail_aliases file -- or has a corrupt one -- well, let's
just say you should test for that situation and see what
happens, and how to recover...)

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how program can use more than 256 processes

[George Chavdarov]

 Hello all,
 i have following problem
 maximum limit of processes is 256 for any user
 kernel supports up to 1024 (kernel 2.2)
 how i can make user to have more than 256 processes in fact i need it for
 mysql
 ulimit in shell and set it in /etc/limits.conf dont work.
 any ideas
 
 Best regards, George Chavdarov
 System administrator, www.dir.bg