Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:03:57PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:57:53PM -0500, Harry Henry Gebel ([EMAIL > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: > > > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > > > >> You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but > > > >> these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a > > > >> malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that > > > >> safe anyway. > > > kmself> Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your > > > kmself> passphrase (right?). > > > I just did a 'less' on my secring.gpg, so... (remember the thread on > > > the difficulty of password protecting a directory recently) > > > I don't think that the private key is encrypted in any way. The fact > > > that it has mode 0600 is seen as security enough. > > > > The mode is NOT seen as security enough. The private key is encrypted using > > a symmetrical cipher whose key is derived from a hash of the > > passphrase. (the exact cipher and hash can be specified in an S2K block in > > the secret keyring) In other words, if you selected a very good passphrase > > (this is a BIG if for most people) if is just as well encrypted as any gpg > > encrypted message message. The reason people must not be allowed to read it > > is that it gives attackers a single key to discover that can then be used > > to recover ALL of the (symmetrical) keys used to encrypt messages with that > > key, (and because most people choose poor passwords discovering that one > > key would not be hard for most people's keyrings. I am not sure what doing > > 'less' on the keyring is supposed to indicate? > > Thanks, Harry. > > Ok, understanding that, why was I able to export my secret key without > being prompted for a passphrase, or are the passphrase and key managed > independently -- I can export the key but it's still no good without the > passphrase? You would still need to supply the passphrase to decode it, create a new account and import the key into it and it will ask you for the passphrase whenever you try to use it. If you have installed the doc-rfc package you can find the details of GnuPG file formats, etc in /usr/doc/doc-rfc/Proposed_Standard_Protocols/rfc2440.txt.gz (the OpenPGP standard, which what GnuPG is based on.) There is also a lightly annotated version of the RFC on the GnuGP website. -- Harry Henry Gebel, ICQ# 76308382 West Dover Hundred, Delaware
Sendmail from localhost?
I'd like to be able to send mail from my localhost, is this possible? I don't want to relay it to my ISP or anything like that, is it possible to have localhost relay e-mail? Please tell me so... =) Any help is greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance! Jason
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
This is correct. I have a RH7.0 system: $ gcc --version 2.96 $ rpm -q glib glib-1.2.8-4 (I don't know if the glib is stable or not) Check on gcc.gnu.org and you will see that 2.96 was the label for the devel tree and is binary incompatible with all but version 2.96. If you want to "upgrage" (don't!) your system to use gcc 2.96 it will be binary compatible with other executables made with 2.96. Of course, then things made with the stable 2.95.2 won't work. (also, the c++ optimizer has a bug that gives an internal compiler error and quits when compiling certain code) -D PS. When I get some free time I want to install Debian on my other disk and see how I like it. Anybody want to offer a comparison of Debian and RedHat with both pros and cons? (on a diff thread of course) On Thu, 30 Nov 2000 20:56:35 Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: | Hi, | | WARNING! | this is pure hearsay, which I have no documentation for | | I heard about this problem (from what I consider knowlegable people), | red hat seems to be using a development branch of either gcc or glibc | (I forget which, sorry), the result RedHat 7.0 is frequently if not | always binary incompatable with any other GNU/Linux implementation. | | As I said this is hear say, I'll try and find references one way or | the other. | | Corrections welcome flames > /dev/null | | -Jon | | | -- | To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] | with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] |
Re: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)?
In message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>it was written: >I'm curious to know what strategies are used by regular subscribers >to this list to deal with the high volume of messages (>250/day)? Although it doesn't pertain directly to your question, I felt like sharing :) I used to use mh to filter all the messages into a separate folder for "later viewing". MH (and nmh) provide some great mechanisms for this if you happen to have a "hosted" email address on some unix box and don't mind command line stuff (of course procmail is much better for filtering, more flexible and lets you use whatever frontend you want, but I digress). Anywho, the problem with sorting all my list mail into a separate folder was that I *never* got around to reading any messages in the list and they would build up into the thousands which I would delete periodicly. I moved machines but didn't move my folder sorting thing, and noticed that I read every message now, or at least skim it quickly. This is probably a side effect of how mh from the command line works.. just a matter of typing next over and over and over .. (though in actuality I don't use 'next', I use a little util I wrote called mh-watch[1]). Anyway. I find it sort of amusing. At least now I have lots to read with ltitle effort, and I'm actually pleased when I wake up in the morning with 200 messages to skim through. :) [1]: http://www.grawk.net/~nick/proj/mh-watch/ as always, nick [EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.fargus.net/nick Developer - Systems Engineer - Mad System Guru - MOO Sales he picks up scraps of information/he's adept at adaptation because for strangers and arrangers/constant change is here to stay
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:01:50PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I did: > > gpg --armor --export-secret-keys kmself > > ...which did just that, without prompting for a passphrase. I think you > may be right about that. Hmmm Still, the key doesn't work without > the passphrase, right? Need to investigate further. what you exported is an encrypted copy of the private key. ascii armored but that makes no difference. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgpWHMrN1L8Ol.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sound
Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've been trying to get some sound out of my Linux system, and am pretty > baffled. I gather there are several different ways to do it, and would > like to know if there is a preferred one. I have an ISA AWE-64 > soundblaster on a 2.2.17 kernel metoo > 1) The Mini-Howto on SB is a bit old, and it's not clear to me if it's > still applicable. At any rate, it is not directed at Debian packages. > The main Sound How-To is current, but again isn't addressed to Debian > packaging. Lots of docs on the sb cards. See e.g. http://www.linuxdoc.org/HOWTO/mini/Soundblaster-AWE.html Might not talk about the awe64 but from AFAIK from linux's perspective awe64 == awe32. I don't use any midi/synth stuff so I don't care about this. > 2) I had decided (based on it's own description? or the fact that it > seemed to be more loadable than the alternatives? it's been awhile) that > the Alsa system was the way to go. However, there are various pieces, > and their interrelations are not clear to me (base, library, modules, > drivers, utililties, ...). There didn't seem to be a "task" or a good > package (I had hoped the utilities might do it) which will pull > everything in. > > The modules that are there are for a much earlier version of the kernel > than potato uses, and there doesn't seem to be anything for the current > one. Joey H asked about this a few weeks ago. My interpretation of the > response was that alsa was packaged so you had to get the source and > build from it. > > One of the attractions of the module based approach seemed to me that one > didn't need to go recompiling things to get them to work, so this didn't > grab me much. I switched to ALSA (from the default OSS-lite stuff) when I started playing with sound recording. OSS-lite does not do full-duplex (e.g. recording a guitar track while playing along to a bass track) with the awe64. ALSA does. Supposedly the commercial OSS does as well but the demo I d/l'ed wouldn't install on any debian system so I highly disrecommend them. I could only get ALSA working The Hard Way. That is, d/l the latest sources from http://www.alsa-project.org, compile the drivers, libs, and utils, and tweak /etc/modutils/* until success. This took me about 1.5 days. One day, unsuccessfully, without reading the docs. Then half a day while reading the docs on the ALSA site. (Be sure to read all the howto's there. It'll take an hour or so but well worth it imho). In short, yes, it's a pain in the ass. Linux is a pain in the ass. Computers are a pain in the ass. Life is a pain in the ass. Sorry. If, OTOH, you get it working just by apt-getting a bunch of debs, more power to you. > Also, I would like to know a simple test to see if sound is working. apt-get install saytime > I'm hoping there's an analogy to, for example, exim. There are lots of > mail transports, but there's one that's encouraged and (sort of) easy to > set up. So I'd appreciate any pointers. By the way, the hardware emits > sounds on other OS's, so I know everything is hooked up. Yeah I guess it really depends on what you need. If you just want to listen to mp3's or whatever then the default driver module that comes with the kernel should work fine. If you want to do sound recording, I'd suggest getting a better card. I will as soon as I find some cash. The sb awe64 has bogus full-duplex: one of the channels is only 8 bits wide. Of course they don't tell you this when you buy it. So far I've managed to make my machine do almost decent sound recording, but the effort to get things going just sucked all the creative energy out of my playing. I don't think this is just a linux thing, I think all computers are evil and suck the life out of people. Gotta go read my mail now chris
Re: Command to determine resolution
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 09:54:26PM -0500, David Z Maze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Karsten M Self writes: > KMS> I note that my system is running at 75 dpi. Will 100 dpi give more or > KMS> less resolution, and how do I set resolution anyway? > > That number is basically a measurement of how big fonts are; a bigger > number means you'll have larger fonts. On a 75dpi display, a 72-point > font will be 75 pixels high, but it would be 100 pixels high on a > 100dpi display. (Because it's trying to be "one inch" tall, and > that's its concept of how big "one inch" is.) > > Especially at higher display resolutions, it's nice to use the larger > font sizes to get readable displays. There's not an XF86Config > option for it, I don't think, but you can pass the '-dpi' switch to > your X server to change the number. If you're using xfs, its > configuration file includes a default font resolution; you should make > sure its configuration file matches the font resolution you're running > X at. Sounds as if 100 dpi is actually lower resolution (larger font) than 75 dpi. 'That right? I prefer better res, myself. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp1iIeXsdQiP.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:46:17PM -0800, Jinsong Zhao ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on > Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the > Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to > run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error > message is: > > bash: ./pgp: No such file or directory > > I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: > > cannot execute binary file > > I downloaded the binary geomview package from www.geomview.org. It > runs fine on Debian, but it has the several problem as above. > > My redhat is 7.0. What is happening here? Does anyone have similar > experience? Is this a script? How have you transferred it between systems? Are there any embedded carriage returns (ASCII \015, ^M) at the end of lines? If so, you may be fooling your command interpreter, and need to strip out the carriage returns. The dos2unix utility should do this for you. Just ran into this myself yesterday ;-P -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpf55CtKjNLJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:57:53PM -0500, Harry Henry Gebel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: > > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > > >> You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but > > >> these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a > > >> malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that > > >> safe anyway. > > kmself> Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your > > kmself> passphrase (right?). > > I just did a 'less' on my secring.gpg, so... (remember the thread on > > the difficulty of password protecting a directory recently) > > I don't think that the private key is encrypted in any way. The fact > > that it has mode 0600 is seen as security enough. > > The mode is NOT seen as security enough. The private key is encrypted using > a symmetrical cipher whose key is derived from a hash of the > passphrase. (the exact cipher and hash can be specified in an S2K block in > the secret keyring) In other words, if you selected a very good passphrase > (this is a BIG if for most people) if is just as well encrypted as any gpg > encrypted message message. The reason people must not be allowed to read it > is that it gives attackers a single key to discover that can then be used > to recover ALL of the (symmetrical) keys used to encrypt messages with that > key, (and because most people choose poor passwords discovering that one > key would not be hard for most people's keyrings. I am not sure what doing > 'less' on the keyring is supposed to indicate? Thanks, Harry. Ok, understanding that, why was I able to export my secret key without being prompted for a passphrase, or are the passphrase and key managed independently -- I can export the key but it's still no good without the passphrase? -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpraIrh5qWRI.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Chris Gray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > > >> You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but > >> these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a > >> malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that > >> safe anyway. > > kmself> Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your > kmself> passphrase (right?). > > I just did a 'less' on my secring.gpg, so... (remember the thread on > the difficulty of password protecting a directory recently) > > I don't think that the private key is encrypted in any way. The fact > that it has mode 0600 is seen as security enough. I did: gpg --armor --export-secret-keys kmself ...which did just that, without prompting for a passphrase. I think you may be right about that. Hmmm Still, the key doesn't work without the passphrase, right? Need to investigate further. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpwSWhutb3ud.pgp Description: PGP signature
RE: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)?
Title: RE: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)? kmself@ix.netcom.com writes: > When I get particularly behind, I just delete a few days (or weeks) > worth of posts. Debian Weekly News tends to highlight significant list > events. Krzys Majewski writes: >What's this? Does it say things like, "This week Krzys Majewski posted >a really stupid question"? Should I be worried? Probably not :). However the guy who wrote to the list wanting to know about spam tools and then changed his mind[1] managed to make DWN. I can't recall any other instances though... - Chris [1] Yes I know he spammed the list a couple of days after with something else. But DWN came out before this happened.
[OT] gnus automatic-expiry
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Gnus has a couple of nice features. One is automatic expiry: for > selected groups (including all of the high-traffic Debian lists I'm > on), mail sits around for about a week, then automatically gets > deleted. Will this work in conjunction with immediate-expiry-on-reading? For example, in my ~/.gnus I have: (setq gnus-total-expirable-newsgroups "imap.+Mail.+debian-user") (setq nnmail-expiry-wait-function (lambda (group) (cond ((string-match "debian-user" group) 'immediate) (t 31 This expires all the articles when I leave the summary buffer with c y. I would also like all articles older than, say, 4 days, to disappear regardless of whether I've read them. I've added (expiry-wait . ) to my group parameters: ;;; Editing the group parameters for `nnimap+imap.cs.ubc.ca:Mail/debian-user'. ;; Type `C-c C-c' after you've finished editing. ((uidvalidity . "968964967") (expiry-wait . 4) nil) but I haven't seen if it works yet. -chris
Xterm Font
I want to make my Xterm font bigger. I tried control + middle mouse click but didn't see any option to change the font as the FAQ says. Any pointers to appropriate docs would be great Thanks! -- ~~~ Jack Morgan System Administrator, Exodus Communications Phone/Fax: (03) 5334-1770/5334-1771 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~
Re: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)?
"Lawrence H. Robins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I'm curious to know what strategies are used by regular subscribers
> to this list to deal with the high volume of messages (>250/day)?
All my mail is handled by a server at my school. On this server, I run
procmail (via ~/.forward and ~/.procmailrc) to put debian-user mail in
a debian-user folder. I read this folder from home, with the Gnus
news-reader, via IMAP.
Gnus is occasionally hairy (way too many
features) but a great medium for reading news/mail. It runs within the
Emacs editor, so everything is a buffer. For example, you can
have the list of messages in one buffer, the contents of a message
in another buffer, your reply to a third message in yet another
buffer, etc. The contents of a buffer can be displayed with a
keystroke, or you can display several buffers at once.
Since Gnus treats everything like a newsgroup, all the messages are
organized according to subject ("threaded"). Finally, since Gnus runs
within Emacs, it means that I can edit my replies with the same
program that I use to read them (and not some half-baked appendage to
that program, either). So, less keystrokes to memorize, one familiar
interface, and so on.
I try to read debian-user a couple times a week (more if I have a
pressing question..). The messages really do pile up, and I'm still
looking for ways deal with this well. Gnus has an "expiry" feature
which will hopefully do what I want, failing that I'll try to write a
procmail recipe to "rotate" the debian-user folder, so that it never
contains more than, say, 500 messages.
Even when I don't have a question posted, I do scan through all the
subject lines. So, no filtering or scoring or whatever. (If I knew
exactly what I wanted to read, I wouldn't be subscribed in the first
place. See also next paragraph.)
If I want to search for a message on a given topic, I use the
www.debian.org search engine, which seems to more or less work these
days.
-chris
Re: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)?
kmself@ix.netcom.com writes: > When I get particularly behind, I just delete a few days (or weeks) > worth of posts. Debian Weekly News tends to highlight significant list > events. What's this? Does it say things like, "This week Krzys Majewski posted a really stupid question"? Should I be worried? -chris
Re: gnus disconnected mode
Adam Shand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > does it support disconnected mode imap? that is my one big remaining > gripe about pine (and as far as i know mutt's imap support is more > primitive then pines still). Yes, it does. I tried it with 5.8.3 and it sort of worked (I can't remember what problems I had). They're up to at least 5.8.7 now so yeah, check it out. These days I'm on a cable modem so disconnected mode is not as much of a priority, but: my machine goes to sleep when I'm not using it, and that means various IMAP connections time out with strange consequences. For example, five minutes ago I sat down to continue reading debian-user which I hadn't touched for a couple days. I was in the summary buffer and eventually Gnus said "imap: no such process". So I had to nuke the summary buffer, go back to the group buffer, run gnus-group-get-new-news, and create a new summary buffer by selecting the group. In other news (hah!) I've made several attempts at using Gnus as my main mail-reader, but I invariably give up. Maybe because it's such a huge hulking hairy beast. So I read debian-user with Gnus and all my other folders in Pine. -chris
Re: Pctel driver
doubtful, i suggest getting a good modem. if you really need the winmodem downgrade the kernel, see www.linmodem.org or is it linmodems.org ... nate Sean McIlwain wrote: > > I have a zoltrix phantom 56K "winmodem". Their wesite claims to > have linux drivers that uses the pctel.o module. All of the drivers I > have found on the internet are library file that are a different kernel > version than what I have, 2.2.17. Is there a way to get the entire > source so that I can compile this for the current kernel that I have? > Is there a debian package that provides this? > > Thanks, >Sean McIlwain > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ::: ICQ: 75132336 http://www.aphroland.org/ http://www.linuxpowered.net/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
> Hi, > > WARNING! > this is pure hearsay, which I have no documentation for > > I heard about this problem (from what I consider knowlegable people), > red hat seems to be using a development branch of either gcc or glibc > (I forget which, sorry), the result RedHat 7.0 is frequently if not > always binary incompatable with any other GNU/Linux implementation. > > As I said this is hear say, I'll try and find references one way or > the other. This is true, you can find a discussion of it on lwn.net a few weeks back. -- Harry Henry Gebel, ICQ# 76308382 West Dover Hundred, Delaware
Re: Samba across internet
On 11/8/00 8:29 AM, John Covici ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >You might want to an interface line in your samba configuration file >(smb.conf) such as >interfaces=192.168.0.1/24 >and you may need a >socket address = specification. > >This is what I have been using. I know that this is a late reply, but since others out there may have the same question... I put an interfaces = eth0 bind interfaces only = true in the smb.conf to deny folks from seeing the network while I was dialed in to my ISP. Seems to work at least according to GRC's Shields Up! test (http://grc.com) which can't detect my Samba server anymore via dial-up. Steve
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:26PM -0500, Chris Gray wrote: > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > >> You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but > >> these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a > >> malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that > >> safe anyway. > kmself> Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your > kmself> passphrase (right?). > I just did a 'less' on my secring.gpg, so... (remember the thread on > the difficulty of password protecting a directory recently) > I don't think that the private key is encrypted in any way. The fact > that it has mode 0600 is seen as security enough. The mode is NOT seen as security enough. The private key is encrypted using a symmetrical cipher whose key is derived from a hash of the passphrase. (the exact cipher and hash can be specified in an S2K block in the secret keyring) In other words, if you selected a very good passphrase (this is a BIG if for most people) if is just as well encrypted as any gpg encrypted message message. The reason people must not be allowed to read it is that it gives attackers a single key to discover that can then be used to recover ALL of the (symmetrical) keys used to encrypt messages with that key, (and because most people choose poor passwords discovering that one key would not be hard for most people's keyrings. I am not sure what doing 'less' on the keyring is supposed to indicate? > Finally, writing a program to read /proc/kcore to try to find secret > keys sounds ridiculously hard to me. Maybe if you trojaned gpg it > would work, but even then you could just have gpg send you the secret > key so there's no point. Writing a program to extract this information from /proc/kcore presents little difficulty (in fact I am sure these programs already exist), especially if you have symbol tables for the kernel and the gpg binary being run. This is why if you can't trust root everything else is useless. A bigger challenge would be extracting the information from a swap partition (a swap partition can be accessed by simply stealing the actual hard drive and placing it in your own computer.) Stealing the actual hard drive will also give you access to all files on the drive regardless of permissions, which is (one reason) why the file is encrypted and does not simply rely on permissions for protection. -- Harry Henry Gebel, ICQ# 76308382 West Dover Hundred, Delaware
Re: installation help
What are some of specs of the machine you are trying to install on? Someone recently gave me a few 486's, and I've had the same problem when trying to boot from floppy. These machines were Dell Optiplex XL 575 w/16 MB of RAM. --- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Hello, > > > When attempting to boot Release 2.1 (included in the > > Debian GNU/Linux New Rider text) from the floppy, > my > system loads "root bin" but freezes during the > "loading > linux" phase. > > Can anyone help me?? > > Thanks, > > Richard > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/
Re: Help: /usr/bin/pgp: no such file or directory
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:11PM +0100, Jonathan Gift wrote: > Hi, > > I'm getting the above msg in my new mutt setup. I tried to potato cd, my > distro, and there's a gpgp but I don't want gnome. Anyway to get the msg > off or answered? upgrade to the mutt in current potato (r1) it is configured to use GnuPG by default. (which you should install from non_US). -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgphlDUb4V96P.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
> "kmself" == kmself writes: >> You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but >> these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a >> malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that >> safe anyway. kmself> Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your kmself> passphrase (right?). I just did a 'less' on my secring.gpg, so... (remember the thread on the difficulty of password protecting a directory recently) I don't think that the private key is encrypted in any way. The fact that it has mode 0600 is seen as security enough. Finally, writing a program to read /proc/kcore to try to find secret keys sounds ridiculously hard to me. Maybe if you trojaned gpg it would work, but even then you could just have gpg send you the secret key so there's no point. kmself> Yes, ultimately, you do have to trust your system. Right. Cheers, Chris -- Every child in America MUST get one of these things for Christmas or Chanukah or Kwanzaa or Atheist Children Get Presents Day. -- Dave Barry
Re: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)?
--- Begin Message --- On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:20:41PM +1100, Chris Kenrick wrote: > Re: coping with a high-volume mailing list (like this one)? > >I would assume that if you didn't want to leave the mail on the remote > >server you'd just use fetchmail to download it, although, I *think* > >gnus has it's own software to download the mail if that's what you > >want. > > You can still use fetchmail to get the mail even if you _do_ want to leave > it > > on the IMAP server (can't remember the switch offhand). Although what > > the original poster _might_ have meant by disconnected mode is that the > > client only connects to the IMAP server when it wants to do something > > (send/check mail), and is disconnected otherwise. Maybe some clients > > keep the IMAP session up all the time? Well I'm no expert, but I suspect that "disconnected mode" with IMAP means that after IMAP has downloaded all the mail headers, it disconnects, allowing the user to peruse the mail headers and mark the ones (s)he wishes to download, and mark the ones (s)he wishes to delete. Then the user reconnects, and IMAP causes all the downloads and deletes to happen quickly. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature, please! -- --- End Message ---
Re: UNIX help
The Unix Administrator's Handbook by Evi Nemeth, et al is the way and the light for learning Unix Administration. O'Reilly's Unix Power Tools (2nd ed) is excellent for learning neat tricks for basic commands. On Thursday 30 November 2000 10:07, Robert Guthrie wrote: > If you have the budget for it, check out > http://www.ora.com > > They have some of the most constently excellent books on the various unix > tools and tasks (such as andministration, DNS configuration, Programming) > that I've seen from any publisher. > > YMMV, but I swear by them, and have 8 paper books and two "CD bookshelves" > from them. > > On Thursday 30 November 2000 06:34, Alex Horsnell wrote: > > Hi > > > > I have just started learning UNIX and unfortunatley my 'teacher' has been > > very busy lately and unable to show me anything. > > > > I have started on our company printers and am using putty, I don't have > > any problems in that area, but I would like to learn more. > > > > Does anyone out there have any prefered methods/books on learning UNIX? > > > > Thanks > > > > Alex > > > > . > >.. . If you have received this message in error, please contact the > > sender immediately by return e-mail or ring 020 7498 9898 and ask for the > > sender. Killby & Gayford Group have taken every reasonable precaution to > > ensure that any attachment to this e-mail has been checked for viruses. > > However, we cannot accept liability for any damage sustained as a result > > of software viruses and would advise that you carry out your own virus > > checks before opening any attachment. > > . > >.. .
ISDN says "no channel for ippp0" on dialing... why?
I've tried to install ISDN for a friend. Now I got the Hisax module running (after I found the secret incantation needed for the ISA Siemens I-Surf 1.0 (some PEEKs and POKEs (yes ;-) in isapnp.conf)). But when I try dialing, it says isdn_net_force_dial: No channel for ippp0 I've looked for that message in the kernel sources, but the only thing I get is that the ISDN subsystem seems to think that all the channels are used up... but there's nothing using the ISDN line! So... what do I miss? If any config files are needed, ask me... though everything seems to be in order. Really, I'm stumped... Bye, J -- Jürgen A. Erhard[EMAIL PROTECTED] phone: (GERMANY) 0721 27326 My WebHome: http://members.tripod.com/Juergen_Erhard Advent, Advent, der Faschist brennt. Erst das Ärmchen, nun das Beinchen, bald das ganze Nazischweinchen. pgpS6vmj0rCYG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Command to determine resolution
Karsten M Self writes: KMS> I note that my system is running at 75 dpi. Will 100 dpi give more or KMS> less resolution, and how do I set resolution anyway? That number is basically a measurement of how big fonts are; a bigger number means you'll have larger fonts. On a 75dpi display, a 72-point font will be 75 pixels high, but it would be 100 pixels high on a 100dpi display. (Because it's trying to be "one inch" tall, and that's its concept of how big "one inch" is.) Especially at higher display resolutions, it's nice to use the larger font sizes to get readable displays. There's not an XF86Config option for it, I don't think, but you can pass the '-dpi' switch to your X server to change the number. If you're using xfs, its configuration file includes a default font resolution; you should make sure its configuration file matches the font resolution you're running X at. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
installation help
Hello, When attempting to boot Release 2.1 (included in the Debian GNU/Linux New Rider text) from the floppy, my system loads "root bin" but freezes during the "loading linux" phase. Can anyone help me?? Thanks, Richard [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Command to determine resolution
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 08:20:49PM -0500, David Z Maze ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Robert D Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > RDH> Is there a command available in Debian to determine what > RDH> resolution is being used in an X session? > > In amidst all of the information 'xdpyinfo' displays is this: > > screen #0: > dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (325x260 millimeters) > > I assume from the format (and that the program explicitly mentions > "displays") that xdpyinfo will print information on every screen on > the referenced server. This might matter on Debian if you're using > XFree86 4.0 and have more than one screen configured on it. It also > might matter if you're running programs not-on-the-local-machine and > the remote machine has multiple screens. Cool. Next question. I note that my system is running at 75 dpi. Will 100 dpi give more or less resolution, and how do I set resolution anyway? Don't find anything in the XF86Config file or man pages. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpbTUhnoOpRk.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Command to determine resolution
Subject: Command to determine resolution Date: Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 05:26:02PM -0500 In reply to:Robert D. Hilliard Quoting Robert D. Hilliard([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Is there a command available in Debian to determine what > resolution is being used in an X session? > > Please Cc: me on any replies. xwininfo part of the xbase-clients package -- What boots up must come down. ___
Re: OT: nice'ing jobs
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 06:10:20PM -0500, Brian Stults ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Sorry for the off-topic post, but I'd like to draw on the general > computing expertise of this group. > > Where I work, we have a unix server with 4 CPU's. I gather this is a proprietary Unix, not GNU/Linux? > There is not a "nice" police at our center, and I have been trying to > make the case to the sysadmin that there should be. Could someone > please review my brief argument and tell me if I am incorrect in my > thinking? Here's an example... > > Here is some truncated ps output: > > USER PID %CPU %MEMSTIME NI COMM >user1 2573 24.6 0.3 10:52:45 20 EMMIX >user1 1067 24.3 1.0 09:33:22 20 EMMIX >user1 2636 24.1 0.9 10:58:42 20 EMMIX >user2 7153 20.4 0.2 17:35:39 20 SPSS > > The first three jobs are CPU-intensive and will run for about 24 hours. > The fourth job is I/O intensive and will run for maybe 2 hours. Since > there are four processors, at this point the jobs are not going to > interfere with each other. However, if one more CPU-intensive job were > added by user1, all jobs would be slowed proportionately. Not quite, as I understand. If the system doesn't have process migration, two jobs will stack up on one CPU. Each will see a 50% performance hit. The other three runnable processes will be unaffected. But I could be wrong on this. Otherwise, largely right. > My argument is that nice'ing the CPU-intensive jobs would cause the > I/O-intensive job to run faster without slowing the CPU-jobs at all. Maybe, maybe not. Some systems are tuned for CPU preference, others are I/O blocked -- your I/O intensive job either blocks the CPU-heavy jobs by default, or simply isn't grossly effected by them (it's blocked on I/O, not CPU). > The reason is that the I/O-intensive job doesn't use much CPU-time. > So when it gets its turn on the CPU it doesn't use all of its allotted > time. However, it still has to wait an equal amount of time to get > its turn at the CPU again. > > Generally speaking, is this correct in theory? It seems especially > considerate to nice the CPU-intensive jobs, since that user gets more > aggregate CPU time anyway since they're running multiple big jobs. I'd make this argument. First, use a queuing system. Queueing systems are designed to handle the issue of long-running jobs by one or more users. I run stuff to batch all the time, even on my single-user systems -- it's easier to deal with then a backgrounded or foregrounded process. Options include at, cron, and batch, as well as other more advanced systems. nice your batched jobs. Debian doesn't make the automating of this quite as straightforward as, say, Solaris (the queuedefs file), but you can launch your scheduler with options, including load-limiting factors. Not sure how to run 'nice' into it -- possibly by nicing the daemon? It's also helpful to be able to set a timeout (ulimit) on specific job queues. Scaling this so that the the most time-limited queues have the highest priority tends to take care of the load-balancing problem -- people will slot their work to the fastest queue which allows sufficient runtime for their job. Note that these days the idea of shared, heavily tasked, batch environments is pretty foreign to most, especially the younger crowd, but some of use have been there, and this actually does work pretty well, when it's needed. Note also how 'nice' works -- all jobs in the run queue at a nice level of n have priority over jobs with a nice value of n+1. The lower-priority jobs are only cleared to run when all higher priority tasks have run. The run queue is (IIRC) roughly equivalent to the values in your system load average, and indicates the processes in a runnable state for a given system timeslice. The reason for nicing long-running jobs is this: - Short-run jobs, whether foreground or batch, generally have someone waiting on the results. It makes sense to turn them around reasonably quickly. At the same time, they don't consume heaps of system resources because they are time-limited. - Long-run jobs are typically less time sensitive -- five minutes' variance in s 20 hour run is an 0.4% deviation. In a time-averaged environment, backgrounded processes _tend_ to get the resources they need. Limited queueus -- a queue with a limited number of run slots -- are a good means for allocating and measuring resources. At the point at which you could get more jobs run by adding slots, but total throughput drops, it's time to start looking at adding more firepower. While there are a slew of batching systems out there, a well designed system of queues, and mix of goading and system design (e.g.: replace default command for a process with one which automatically submits it to batch), can often provide benefits. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: DZM> Jinsong Zhao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JZ> I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: JZ> JZ> cannot execute binary file DZM> DZM> This generally means there's some sort of library problem. Now that I'm looking at this again, it's worth noting that 'sh foo' tries to run 'foo' as a Bourne shell script; if it's anything else, it'll fail. It's easier to write shell scripts that begin with the line '#!/bin/sh' and are executable. 'file' will often tell you what a given file is. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
Re: How to make useful boot disk (was: Re: How to get rid of LILO)
> Then insert new floppy and proceed as root: > > mke2fs /dev/fd0 > mount -t ext2 /dev/fd0 /floppy > cp /boot/vmlinuz /boot/boot.b /boot/mbr.b /floppy/ > cp /root/lilo-fd.conf /root/fixmbr /bin/dd /bin/sash /floppy/ > mkdir /floppy/dev > mknod /floppy/dev/hda b 3 0 > chmod 666 /floppy/dev/hda > cd floppy > lilo -C lilo-fd.conf > cd / > umount /floppy > > PS: I hope I did not make there some mistake, writing this out of my head. Eeek.. I knew I forgot something... libraries :) And also sash is a bit too large, ash would be better. Its getting a bit complicated... but if you still want to proceed, you can get from install file root.bin and get the files from there: cd /root/ mv root.bin root.bin.gz gzip -d root.bin.gz mount -t ext2 -o loop root.bin /mnt mkdir /floppy/lib/ cp /mnt/lib/ld-2.1.3.so /mnt/lib/libc-2.1.3.so /floppy/lib/ ln /floppy/lib/ld-2.1.3.so /floppy/lib/ld-linux.so.2 ln /floppy/lib/libc-2.1.3.so /floppy/lib/libc.so.6 cp /mnt/bin/ash /mnt/bin/dd /floppy/ umount /mnt rm root.bin And change the script accordingly to run ash instead of sash. Jirka PS: If you are lucky and your vmlinuz is around 750k, you should fit :) -- Jiri Klouda <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://atrey.karlin.mff.cuni.cz/~jk
Re: UNIX help
Jonathan D. Proulx wrote: > Get a cheap machine, free if possible (486DX2 or so.th) > Install it with Debian > configure it > break it > read the HOWTOs > read the man pages > re-install it > re-configure it > break it > email debian-user with your questions > fix it > repeat as often as possible *grin* I've been doing this for several years now and it's lots of fun. I still regularly break things and scream for help from my other tech friends and from this list. I'm still learning heaps and heaps. And I'd say I'm an experienced Linux user now ... I answer probably as many questions as I asked, and I act as "the techie person" for linux-newbie friends as well. It's a neverending cycle :) bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : Growing old is mandatory, 'growing up' is optional.
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
Hi, WARNING! this is pure hearsay, which I have no documentation for I heard about this problem (from what I consider knowlegable people), red hat seems to be using a development branch of either gcc or glibc (I forget which, sorry), the result RedHat 7.0 is frequently if not always binary incompatable with any other GNU/Linux implementation. As I said this is hear say, I'll try and find references one way or the other. Corrections welcome flames > /dev/null -Jon
Re: Xwrapper.config -- values for allowed_users?
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:00:29PM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > I'm getting the following errors running startx from console as a > nonpriviledged user: > > X: cannot stat /etc/X11/X (No such file or directory), aborting. > var: allowed_users, value: rootonly. > var: nice_value, value: -10. I came across this error while trying to figure out why the new X 4 power management was killing my login sessions (still unsolved). Turned out it was fixed by small changes to XF86Config-4. You may not have the same options, but I had some options in the ServerFlags that were written like: Section "ServerFlags" BlankTime 10 StandbyTime 20 SuspendTime 25 Offtime 30 EndSection changing to: Section "ServerFlags" Option "BlankTime" "10" Option "StandbyTime" "20" Option "SuspendTime" "25" Option "Offtime" "30" Option "NoPM""true" EndSection made the problem go away. The "NoPM" told X not to use it's idea of power management (the kernel/BIOS is already configured to do this, and blanking/offtime still happen -- some kind of conflict I guess). So, you might have some syntax problems. -- Eric G. Miller
Re: umlauts-in-terminal/console-problem after upgrading to woody
Hi Michael! Michael Mertins schrieb am Donnerstag, dem 30. November 2000: > I have a large problem getting umlauts to work since I upgraded to woody. If you are who I think you are, then we solved this problem by setting the LC* variables in /etc/environment, right? also see man locale (not esp you Michael but everyone else interested in the subject) So long, Weasel -- PGP signed and encrypted messages preferred. http://www.palfrader.org/ pgpI5K0ALGQfc.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 07:09:02PM -0500, Chris Gray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > > >> The other root programs shouldn't be looking at memory other > >> than their own, or else they'd segfault. The major thing with > >> memory-locking is that the memory never gets written to disk. > > kmself> What about /proc/kcore or /dev/mem? > > You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but these > should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a malicious root, > your private key isn't going to be all that safe anyway. Well, on disk, your private key is secured by your passphrase (right?). Granted, various sniffers could pick this up, but only when active, not at all times. So memory access is probably an easier avenue to the same goal. Yes, ultimately, you do have to trust your system. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpgKAgQWwoyZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Configure networking?
Hi for a laptop you should look at /etc/pcmcia/network.options (not sure if that path is 100%) this, if configured properly, will automaticly bring up the interface with the proper settings when the card is inserted. you can also do tricks like have different ip,dns,etc for different cards, my laptop uses this as I have wireless at work and wired at home, you probably won't need anything that fancy. I'd provide more specifics on the file format, but my laptop is in my office and turned off, while I at home. It's pretty straight forward and well commented, if you know how to use ifconfig, you should have no problems. -Jon
Re: UNIX help
Hi, What worked for me (starting from zero Un*x experience): Get a cheap machine, free if possible (486DX2 or so.th) Install it with Debian configure it break it read the HOWTOs read the man pages re-install it re-configure it break it email debian-user with your questions fix it repeat as often as possible -Jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] systems administrator Massachusetts Institute of Technology Artificial Intelligence Lab
Re: recommend a secure shell client for Windows
Hi, I have both putty and SecureCRT, here's my oppinions: putty: better color terminal emulation Un*x like cut & paste mouse events More Un*x like feel also has available scp client, though you don't need putty to get pscp.exe FREE SecureCRT: Better port forwarding More Windows-like (pulldown menus etc) Relatively inexpensive, 30 day trial I use SecureCRT mostly for windows clients at the lab who need transparent X forwarding. I use putty at home (exclusively though I do have SecureCRT installed), if I need an X display I just set $DISPLAY, since teh windoze box is completly firewalled off (only net connection via Squid proxy on the real machine), who cares. -Jon
Re: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
Jinsong Zhao <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: JZ> This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on JZ> Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the JZ> Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to JZ> run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error JZ> message is: JZ> JZ> bash: ./pgp: No such file or directory JZ> JZ> I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: JZ> JZ> cannot execute binary file This generally means there's some sort of library problem. Try running 'ldd pgp'; it should display a listing of the libraries needed by the program. (I'd imagine this could also happen if either (a) you had an a.out binary from a *really* old Linux distribution, or (b) you had a binary for another architecture. I'd assume neither of these to be the case here.) JZ> I downloaded the binary geomview package from www.geomview.org. It JZ> runs fine on Debian, but it has the several problem as above. JZ> JZ> My redhat is 7.0. What is happening here? Does anyone have similar JZ> experience? Mmm, Red Hat, the paragon of stability and usability. You might try falling back to Red Hat 6.2; its libraries are more likely to be compatible (particularly with Debian stable) and it's known to work out-of-the-box. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
RE: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
Title: RE: executable compatible with Debian and Redhat? >Several programs I compiled on the >Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to >run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error >message is: >bash: ./pgp: No such file or directory >I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: >cannot execute binary file I take it the file has execute permission on the Redhat box? The second error message in particular is usually a lack of execute permissions. - CHris
Re: Command to determine resolution
Robert D Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: RDH> Is there a command available in Debian to determine what RDH> resolution is being used in an X session? In amidst all of the information 'xdpyinfo' displays is this: screen #0: dimensions:1280x1024 pixels (325x260 millimeters) I assume from the format (and that the program explicitly mentions "displays") that xdpyinfo will print information on every screen on the referenced server. This might matter on Debian if you're using XFree86 4.0 and have more than one screen configured on it. It also might matter if you're running programs not-on-the-local-machine and the remote machine has multiple screens. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
How to make useful boot disk (was: Re: How to get rid of LILO)
> > > fdisk /mbr (undocumented feature of fdisk) > > > does the trick. > > > > > > Joop > > > > Just wondering, is there a linux way to do this? > > -samuel > > Yes... but only if you still have linux intact... > Lilo saves a copy of your bootsector on first install. > this can be recovered with lilo -u or lilo -U > > RTFM... it's all there (lilo(8)) Hmm its always good idea to keep your mbr on your linux boot disk with a quick script to recover it. You will find the saved mbr record in /boot/mbr.b usually. Then: Create files /root/lilo-fd.conf and /root/fixmbr: cat >/root/lilo-fd.conf
Re: CD to MP3 Util
"Timothy C. Phan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi , > > Is there any utility to convert CD files to MP3 files on Linux? > TIA! Take a look at grip in conjunction with cdparanoia and lame (or any other cd-ripper and mp3-encode; be careful about patent issue, therefore not included in debian package system). -- Tschoe, Jens
Re: DESTROY (perl experts please) (fwd)
> > > > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main >Thats Woody, not Potato > Potato is stable _not_ unstable hrm. afaik, unstable refers to the helixcode distribution - thus unstable helixcode will work fine with potato. cheers damien -- We don't know how bad things are in north korea, but here are some pictures of hungry children. -- CNN pgps5M9Wo5uZR.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: none
"Jasper Spit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hi, > > Trying to install Debian 2.2 on my new system which has the main > hard drive connected to a Promise Ultra 100 connector. Problem ofcourse > is that when I boot from the Debian CD, the promise controller and hard > drive are not detected. > > So I created a boot disk with the 2.2.17 kernel and the Promise patches > applied. This works, I can boot with the boot disk, and I see that the > controller and harddisk are detected (hde, lol !), BUT, now I want to > proceed installing from the debian CD. So how can I get my system to > boot from the bootdisk I created, and then proceed with the normal setup > from the Debian binary #1 CD ? I tried stuff like root=/dev/hdc in the > /etc/lilo.conf on the disk, but that didn't work. > > I think I need to load /install/root.bin on the CD, but how ? I would suggest you make floppies based on the images provided on the cd, simply replacing the kernel on the rescue disk. You'll probably get module errors but that's not a deal-breaker for installation. -- .Adam Di [EMAIL PROTECTED]http://www.onShore.com/>
Pctel driver
I have a zoltrix phantom 56K "winmodem". Their wesite claims to have linux drivers that uses the pctel.o module. All of the drivers I have found on the internet are library file that are a different kernel version than what I have, 2.2.17. Is there a way to get the entire source so that I can compile this for the current kernel that I have? Is there a debian package that provides this? Thanks, Sean McIlwain
Re: MYSQL
Subject: RE: MYSQL Date: Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 12:29:53PM - In reply to:James Preece Quoting James Preece([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > This is working fine now. > > How do I go about building a database? > > Does anyone have a recourse I can look at on the web, or anyone one to take > me to one side and beat me ? > > Any help as always gratefully received > apt-cache search mysql mysql-manual - Unofficial MySQL 3.20 Documentation so then apt-get install mysql-manual is easynet easier then that? -- WINDOWS stands for Will Install Needless Data On Whole System. ___
Re: potato-n-woody side by side?
Thanks! I think I've committed to retreating to stable until I'm a more knowledgeable user ... I think in my case the upgrading to Woody was kind of hubris-driven anyway: y'know, the need to have the latest and greatest and all the great apps. Really, though, why do I think I *need* Perl 5.6 if I really don't know Perl terribly well yet? Just wish I could put a stack of (O'Reilly?) books under my pillow and wake up all ready to achieve wizard-status the next morning ... _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // "Ah, how do you sleep?| // Ah, how do you sleep at night?" | // -- John Lennon| | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 9:16am on Fri, 1 Dec 2000, Nick Croft wrote: > Glenn, > I also lost my backspace key in the process. > In desperation I rang a friend who logged in to my box and offered advice. > > It seems that you need to nudge apt to keep going with installation. It > comes to an end, you start to use your machine and then find some packages > won't work. > > Have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives. See if the package is there. If > you need it straight away, then just dpkg -i .deb . Otherwise > issue: apt-get dist-upgradeagain to start the ball rolling. > Eventually you get there. > > I spent about 30 hours on the net in all, ftping woody by way of apt-get. > __ > If you're having trouble with the backspace key - so am I. It may be a > quirk of xfree86-4. > You can fix it with > xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" > which is case sensitive. > > This works for the duration of the session. You can make it permanent by > writing a .Xmodmap file for your user, containing just the line > keycode 22 = BackSpace > > No doubt the gurus will notice this problem which lots of people are > getting at the moment. > > Nick > >
executable compatible with Debian and Redhat?
This is the first horrible thing I can think of: code compiled on Debian does not run on Redhat! Several programs I compiled on the Debian run fine on Debian, but when I installed Redhat and tried to run those programs, say in bash you type "./pgp", then the error message is: bash: ./pgp: No such file or directory I used this command: "sh pgp" and then the error message is: cannot execute binary file I downloaded the binary geomview package from www.geomview.org. It runs fine on Debian, but it has the several problem as above. My redhat is 7.0. What is happening here? Does anyone have similar experience? Jinsong
Re: Why non-free (was Re: unzip - again)
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Chris Gray wrote: > I knew I had seen a better copyright somewhere: > > -- > Latest Release > > New features in UnZip 5.41, released 16 April 2000: > > > new BSD-like license > Yeah, that's why zip is in main. Unzip, however, still contains some non-free code. Read the debian.copyright file. -- "The Information Superhighway made it possible for the average person to find out what some nerd thinks about Star Trek" http://lit.compsoc.com/ http://www.litsu.ie/ GPG Fingerprint: B6C4 9E2B C62F 1B05 FC0D F543 6800 67C7 FF5D 8291
Re: CDs
I got my 3 disk set (Potato) from XComputing for about $5.00 and they have done fine by me through multiple Woody-Gotterdammerungs: http://www.xcomputing.com I have no affiliation with them. G _ | // G l e n n B e c k e r| | // "Ah, how do you sleep?| // Ah, how do you sleep at night?" | // -- John Lennon| | // [EMAIL PROTECTED] | _| At 7:06pm on Thu, 30 Nov 2000, urbanyon wrote: > can anyone recommend a reliable source for CDs, and also what i need to > order? i have been struggling with a CD that i think may have been > modified, and am just having more trouble than i need. i don't mind > buying one (hell, it's cheaper than m$), but i am a newbie and do not know > what i need to get. a link to a site (vendor or individual) that you are > familiar with would be most appreciated. > > OR... > > i could also download to a windows machine (i have a decent 'net > connection), and burn a CD, but the CD image page was confusing to me. if > i were to ftp enough files to get a box up and running (basically, i'm > having trouble getting my network card recognized and therefore cannot > apt-get any new stuff), what should i get? > > thanks in advance... > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: DESTROY (perl experts please) (fwd)
Subject: DESTROY (perl experts please) (fwd) Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 05:05:25PM -0500 In reply to:Debian Ghost Quoting Debian Ghost([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Subject: RE: DESTROY (perl experts please) > > I don't seem to get the same reply back when I apt-cache search for the > packages. Are my sources.list wrong for potato? > > Man, I just don't get that list of perl stuff when I apt-cache search grep > for perl. Maybe my sources are not what they should be: > > deb http://spidermonkey.helixcode.com/distributions/debian unstable main Thats Woody, not Potato Potato is stable _not_ unstable -- Why do we want intelligent terminals when there are so many stupid users? ___
Re: Printing in Woody
Subject: Printing in Woody Date: Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 03:27:53PM -0600 In reply to:Kelly Corbin Quoting Kelly Corbin([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > After upgrading to Woody, (and not changing anything) I can't print > correctly anymore. I used magicfilterconfig to setup /etc/printcap > using the HP laserjet4l driver. The first page is like: > %PS-Adobe-3.0 > %%BoundingBox: 54 72 558 720 > %%Creator: Mozilla (Netscape) > > and then it prints about 100 blank pages with a banner page at the end. > The banner page is perfectly normal: > > Anyone else experienced this anomaly? Yes, but on Potato. Drove me nuts until I discovered it was Mozilla. I had tried changing sizes, in the print function, and got the same results you did. I them tried the same thing with netscape 4.75 and it worked fine. I then reloaded Mozilla and it worked correctly. -- It is easier to write an incorrect program than understand a correct one. ___
Re: OT: nice'ing jobs
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 06:10:20PM -0500, Brian Stults wrote: > However, if one more CPU-intensive job were > added by user1, all jobs would be slowed proportionately. Have you tested that this actually happens? Empirical data is harder to argue with than theory. > My argument > is that nice'ing the CPU-intensive jobs would cause the I/O-intensive > job to run faster without slowing the CPU-jobs at all. The reason is > that the I/O-intensive job doesn't use much CPU-time. So when it gets > its turn on the CPU it doesn't use all of its allotted time. > Generally speaking, is this correct in theory? Nope. When a process is blocked waiting for I/O, it's automatically put to sleep until it can run again. In theory, the I/O-intensive job won't receive any CPU time at all until there's more data available for it to process (or, on the output side, the hard drive catches up) and, when it gets a turn, it will block and go back to sleep when it needs to wait for I/O again. Niceness affects how frequently a task is allocated CPU time (and, sometimes, the amount of CPU time it gets when it comes up). How the task handles its time once it comes up is not affected by niceness. > It seems especially > considerate to nice the CPU-intensive jobs, since that user gets more > aggregate CPU time anyway since they're running multiple big jobs. Agreed, and that's what nice is there for. It is definitely a Good Thing to use on big jobs, just not for the reason you think it is. (Of course, I'm just a userland programmer and have never looked at the kernel's scheduler, so my understanding of this may be slightly less than perfect...) -- "Two words: Windows survives." - Craig Mundie, Microsoft senior strategist "So does syphillis. Good thing we have penicillin." - Matthew Alton Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++> E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r++ y+
Re: Help: Trouble updating Slink -> Potato
Hi Berthold: Since no experts have spoken yet, I'll throw some ideas out. If its' always perl-base giving the trouble, can you try upgrading or downloading this first? Sometimes when installing or up-grading I've had to dpkg -i several times to get everything working. hth Dean Berthold Cogel wrote: I NEED HELP!!! Each time I try to update Debian Slink, the process is terminated because of some problems with the perl packages. The update of perl fails because perl-base is not configured. It doesn't matter how I update the system. It's the same problem with 'apt-get dist-upgrade', deselect-apt, via Internet or cdrom. After this bug happens, the whole system is in an undefinded state so that I have to restore my backup. Is there anybody, who can help? Thanks in advance Berthold Cogel
Re: Who is 'nobody'?
On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, kmself@ix.netcom.com wrote: > on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:37:47PM -0200, Henrique M Holschuh ([EMAIL > PROTECTED]) wrote: > > 'nobody' is a 'system' user. User 'nobody' should never ever have ANY files > > in the filesystem (if it does, that's probably a security hole), and should > -rw-rw1 nobody mail12487 Jun 2 2000 > /var/spool/mail/nobody You should probably have nobody as an alias for root in your email routing... (and root as an alias for someone else, actually). > /tmp/.font-unix: > total 0 > srwxrwxrwx1 nobody nogroup 0 Nov 19 04:02 fs7100 > srwxr-xr-x1 root root0 Nov 19 04:02 fs7101 For Xfree86 3.3.6 I think one could crash an Xserver by killing the font server. It's a good thing that unliking a socket won't kill the pipe of anything that has opened it already... (AFAIK, that is). Anyway, the above are not security risks. Do notice the sticky bit set in the directory. > I'm not sure that nobody should own *no* files. But files owned by > nobody *should* be minimized. Note that nobody is just another Yes, indeed. 'nobody' should own only files that in no way allow a security compromise. > In some cases, daemons run as 'nobody' (apache under RH, I believe), and > it may be necessary to create temporary files as 'nobody'. > > Other thoughts? Filesystem races are a major problem, if the daemon running as 'nobody' does not act in an extremely paranoid way when creating its temp files. This is a rather common exploit technique. -- "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot Henrique Holschuh pgpn58RkpNKyw.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Why non-free (was Re: unzip - again)
> "kmself" == kmself writes: kmself> on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:52:51PM -0500, Chris Gray kmself> ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: >> > "Carel" == Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Carel> unzip is not truly free, so it ain't part of Debian pure. Carel> Try adding non-free to your default deb line in your Carel> /etc/apt/sources.list: >> This is strange to me. I've seen the unzip licence, and it >> looks like one of the most free out there. Could someone >> explain why it's in non-free? >> >> (Actually there's one in non-US, which I can understand because >> of the encryption, and one in non-free which I can't >> understand). kmself> Which specific copyright? kmself> /usr/doc/unzip-crypt/copyright stipulates several kmself> restrictions on use in commercial software or software kmself> sold for a profit. This would tend to run against the kmself> directives of the DFS guidelines. Ergo: non-free. I knew I had seen a better copyright somewhere: -- Latest Release New features in UnZip 5.41, released 16 April 2000: new BSD-like license new Novell Netware NLM port support for testing/extraction of archives with more than 65535 files integrated decryption source code fix for broken attribute handling in VMS port -- This is from the google cached copy of http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/UnZip.html The info-zip.org site seems to be down right now, but the license should be at http://www.info-zip.org/pub/infozip/license.html Cheers, Chris -- Every child in America MUST get one of these things for Christmas or Chanukah or Kwanzaa or Atheist Children Get Presents Day. -- Dave Barry
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
> "kmself" == kmself writes: >> The other root programs shouldn't be looking at memory other >> than their own, or else they'd segfault. The major thing with >> memory-locking is that the memory never gets written to disk. kmself> What about /proc/kcore or /dev/mem? You're probably right about this (IANA security expert), but these should only be readable by root. Also, if you have a malicious root, your private key isn't going to be all that safe anyway. Cheers, Chris -- Every child in America MUST get one of these things for Christmas or Chanukah or Kwanzaa or Atheist Children Get Presents Day. -- Dave Barry
CDs
can anyone recommend a reliable source for CDs, and also what i need to order? i have been struggling with a CD that i think may have been modified, and am just having more trouble than i need. i don't mind buying one (hell, it's cheaper than m$), but i am a newbie and do not know what i need to get. a link to a site (vendor or individual) that you are familiar with would be most appreciated. OR... i could also download to a windows machine (i have a decent 'net connection), and burn a CD, but the CD image page was confusing to me. if i were to ftp enough files to get a box up and running (basically, i'm having trouble getting my network card recognized and therefore cannot apt-get any new stuff), what should i get? thanks in advance...
Re: startkde
Hello, > Sorry, but I must ask again: > How do I have KDE2 and Gnome on a potato system and start either or? > to get KDE I type this whole line: startx startkde for Gnome I type: startx gnome-session Good luck, David Bellows
Re: Command to determine resolution
xwinvid -- Original Message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Robert D. Hilliard) Date: 30 Nov 2000 17:26:02 -0500 > Is there a command available in Debian to determine what >resolution is being used in an X session? > > Please Cc: me on any replies. > >Bob >-- > _ > |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Palm City, FL USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559 > PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9 > > > >-- >To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: startkde
Josh McKinney <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> You need to have X started to run KDE.
Ah, I see (thought 'startkde' would do that )
> You can edit your /etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc file, at the bottom it will have
> the stuff about starting gnome probably, you can just comment out the gnome
> part and put 'exec startkde'
Hmm, sounds easy, but I must confess to my shame, that I do not quite under-
stand how it is working.
/etc/X11/xinit/xinitrc just does '. /etc/X11/Xsession' I do not understand
this X stuff well enough (and aren't fluent in bash syntax either) and
couldn't even find out, how Xsession finds out to start gnome...
While I can start gnome with 'startx' the only way I found to start KDE2
is to give startx a nonsense parameter ('startx nonsense'), which gives
me a X session with grey dotted background and a kind of terminal 'window'
where I can type 'startkde'. Still this does not look right ;-) (and the
KDE session can only be terminated by CTRL+ALT+BACKSPACE)
Sorry, but I must ask again:
How do I have KDE2 and Gnome on a potato system and start either or?
Thank you for your help,
Robert Epprecht.
Re: StartX error
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:54:04PM -, william Elling ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > i have read about 5 different online scripts trying to tell me the easiest > way to get the x windows to start and have tried a couple but i keep coming > back the problem of > > Could not find config file! > - Tired: > /etc/XF86Config > /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config.master > /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config > > Fatal server error: > no Config file found! > > > ive done the step by step instructions i have found with no luck at all So > if u can give me another way to do it without downloading all the files > again that would be greatly appericated thank you > Will This is the problem I experienced a few weeks back. I had a previously working X installation. XFree86 3.3.6. I had to create a symlink from /etc/X11/XF86Config to /etc/XF86Config. IMO this is a bug. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpw166FaOq7e.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: CD to MP3 Util
At 03:21 PM 11/30/2000 -0800, Aaron Brashears wrote: >To give you yet another option, I use grip with cdparanoia and lame. i've had VERY good results with that
Re: deleted root directory - fixed, actually a lib problem
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:46:31PM +0100, Thomas Halahan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Adam & Karsten, > > thanks very much for your postings. i am a fool for not backing up > better - i suppose i was waiting to buy a CD writer but didn't want > to spend. > > anyway hints from your emails gave me enough to go on. i ran fsck to > repair. you also mentioned libraries which i looked into, and sure > enough the contents to lib had been moved! > > so i'm sorry to say i was obviously wrong - i had not deleted the > root (i don't think anyway) but somehow the essential system > libraries had been moved and hence 'ls' and other command did not > work. > > i would not have been able to do this without your promt help. thank > you very much. WRT libs. For most programs, you're basically hosed if you manage to shitcan them, which can happen more easily than you might think. E.g.: there's a reason libraries are maintained as links to the actual files. $ rm oldlib; cp newlib oldlib ...fails if 'cp' requires lib. I believe 'mv' is implemented as a 'rm; cp', effectively, though I want to check sources. $ ln -sf newlib lib ...safely overwrites the symbolic link previously pointing to oldlib. Which is how libraries are updated on an active system. It's also helpful to keep a statically linked shell, such as sash, the stand-alone shell, around. It can do things when your libs are trashed (or other system binaries are compromised, e.g.: by a cracker). You can also, as I indicated, do a fair bit with whatever command interpreter you have currently loaded. Once a program is in memory, it stays there. You can blow away your system and still have a running shell [1]. Can't do much, unless you can get a filesystem mounted or similar, but you're still active. Understanding the workings of this can be helpful if you find yourself in dire straits. [1] I won't reveal how I came by this information. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpaS8yUnjAOE.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Applying LFS patch kernel + glib
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Robin Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >I want to apply the large file system (LFS) patch to 2.2.14 and >glibc-.2.1.3. I'm happy with the kernel bit but not the glibc. You are using the patch from Andrea Archangeli right, from SuSe. There is another one around that is not compatible with the 2.4.x series while the one from Andrea is (well, AFAIK that is) >Clearly I can get the source of Debian, apply the LFS patch and re-build, >but I'm very wary of re-building glib for obvious reasons. It takes a lot of time but it isn't rocket science. >Alternatively, there's a .RPM for RedHat which I could install. Getting that to work _would be_ rocket science ;) >My question is: which is the lesser of these two evils? Get the Andreas/suse LFS patch, build a new kernel, boot it. Then get the glibc 2.2 sources from woody (I don't think 2.1.3 from potato has all it takes for complete LFS support, I could be wrong) and build it with the header files from the new kernel, or from the most recent 2.4 kernel. I haven't done this yet but I am playing with the idea... >BTW, I must use 2.2.14 due to massive corruption problems with >2.2.17/NFS/loop/crypto which I don't get with 2.2.14. Tried 2.2.18pre24 yet? If you're still experiencing problems with that version, now is the time to post your debug messages to the linux-kernel mailinglist so that someone can fix it before the real 2.2.18 gets released. Mike.
Re: CD to MP3 Util
To give you yet another option, I use grip with cdparanoia and lame. On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:20:22PM -0600, Timothy C. Phan wrote: > Hi , > > Is there any utility to convert CD files to MP3 files on Linux? > TIA!
Re: OpenGL Segfaulting...
After tonight's update to woody, I'm still having all OpenGL apps (including xlock) segf when they try to draw things. xlock goes so far as to terminate X and drop me back to xdm. Other things such as q3demo/ut just die with a segf after trying to draw to the screen. I've tried rebooting a few times, tried several known-working kernel versions/etc and still no luck. Does anyone have any ideas? Is anyone else experiancing this? --Evan -- Evan Van Dyke E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Page: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ#: 15442232 DNRC's Minister of Lost Internet Packets. O- Amateur Radio Call Sign: KB8PVEElder ResCon at Northwestern GCS/S d+(-) s:+ a--- C UH+I++LS++V P+ L+++> E W++ N++ w-- O- M-- !V PS+ PE+ Y+ PGP t+ 5+++ X+ R+ tv+ b+++ DI D+ g e h !r y- "Quoth the Raven... 'Nevermore!'" --Edgar Allen Poe "I'll bet that all you can do is watch the ball bounce around the screen. --Dilbert to Management
Re: recommend a secure shell client for Windows
I'll second that. I tried putty and ttssh both and came away with ttssh. ttssh does port forwarding, which is very convenient for X, ftp, etc. - Original Message - From: "Slin Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Silver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 7:47 AM Subject: Re: recommend a secure shell client for Windows > terraterm with the SSH plugin works very well with exceed. > > Slin > > > - Original Message - > From: "Silver" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 8:09 PM > Subject: Re: recommend a secure shell client for Windows > > > > Ok, everyone is saying putty is working fine... > > I use SecureCRT (http://www.vandyke.com) > > which does also nice linux handling with a color terminal and stuff. > > > > Silver > > > > - Original Message - > > From: "Harry Henry Gebel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: > > Sent: Thursday, November 30, 2000 11:27 AM > > Subject: recommend a secure shell client for Windows > > > > > > > A friend of mine wants me to set up an account for him on our server, > and > > > since I do not allow telnet logins he needs a Windows SSH client. I > > checked > > > around and there are quite a number of them out there, can anybody > > > recommend which is the best? I do not have a Windows machine to test > them > > > out on, but I figured this must be a pretty common problem so somebody > > must > > > have a good idea of which one is the best. Once he has attained > > > proficiency on the command line I want him to be able to use X, so it > > would > > > be nice if it is a client that supports port forwarding (of course at > that > > > point I will have to find a Windows X server for him, but that is a > > problem > > > I'll deal with when it comes up, maybe by then he'll be willing to put > > > Linux on one of his machines.) > > > > > > -- > > > Harry Henry Gebel, ICQ# 76308382 > > > West Dover Hundred, Delaware > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > Get your FREE personal .com domain name and > > NAMEzero Personal Portal at: http://www.namezero.com. > > For customer service, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: Gnome Sound Problems Continued
Josh McKinney wrote: > I know that your problem with the gnome sounds is that esd and the > gnome sounds are fighting over the sound card basically. I can't > help you much more than that, I just don't use sounds with gnome, > but it may help. If anybody knows how to get gnome to co-exist with esd, I'd be very happy to hear about it. I don't use sound with gnome either, for the same reason. bekj -- : --Hacker-Neophile-Eclectic-Geek-Grrl-Queer-Disabled-Boychick-- : [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.tertius.net.au/~gossamer/ : I am no longer afraid of storms, for I am learning how to sail : my own ship. -- Louisa May Alcott
Re: StartX error
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:54:04PM -, william Elling wrote: > Fatal server error: > no Config file found! > > > ive done the step by step instructions i have found with no luck at all So > if u can give me another way to do it without downloading all the files > again that would be greatly appericated thank you Just run XF86Setup (maybe have to install it) and this tool will create a XF86Config for you. Phil
Command to determine resolution
Is there a command available in Debian to determine what resolution is being used in an X session? Please Cc: me on any replies. Bob -- _ |_) _ |_ Robert D. Hilliard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> |_) (_) |_) 1294 S.W. Seagull Way <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Palm City, FL USA GPG Key ID: 390D6559 PGP Key ID: A8E40EB9
OT: nice'ing jobs
Sorry for the off-topic post, but I'd like to draw on the general computing expertise of this group. Where I work, we have a unix server with 4 CPU's. There is not a "nice" police at our center, and I have been trying to make the case to the sysadmin that there should be. Could someone please review my brief argument and tell me if I am incorrect in my thinking? Here's an example... Here is some truncated ps output: USER PID %CPU %MEMSTIME NI COMM user1 2573 24.6 0.3 10:52:45 20 EMMIX user1 1067 24.3 1.0 09:33:22 20 EMMIX user1 2636 24.1 0.9 10:58:42 20 EMMIX user2 7153 20.4 0.2 17:35:39 20 SPSS The first three jobs are CPU-intensive and will run for about 24 hours. The fourth job is I/O intensive and will run for maybe 2 hours. Since there are four processors, at this point the jobs are not going to interfere with each other. However, if one more CPU-intensive job were added by user1, all jobs would be slowed proportionately. My argument is that nice'ing the CPU-intensive jobs would cause the I/O-intensive job to run faster without slowing the CPU-jobs at all. The reason is that the I/O-intensive job doesn't use much CPU-time. So when it gets its turn on the CPU it doesn't use all of its allotted time. However, it still has to wait an equal amount of time to get its turn at the CPU again. Generally speaking, is this correct in theory? It seems especially considerate to nice the CPU-intensive jobs, since that user gets more aggregate CPU time anyway since they're running multiple big jobs. Thanks, Brian -- Brian J. Stults Doctoral Candidate Department of Sociology University at Albany - SUNY Phone: (518) 442-4652 Fax: (518) 442-4936 Web: http://www.albany.edu/~bs7452
Re: StartX error
I think it should be in /etc/X11/ william Elling writes: > i have read about 5 different online scripts trying to tell me the easiest > way to get the x windows to start and have tried a couple but i keep coming > back the problem of > > Could not find config file! > - Tired: > /etc/XF86Config > /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config.master > /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config > > Fatal server error: > no Config file found! > > > ive done the step by step instructions i have found with no luck at all So > if u can give me another way to do it without downloading all the files > again that would be greatly appericated thank you > Will > > > _ > Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: CD to MP3 Util
Timothy C Phan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: TCP> Is there any utility to convert CD files to MP3 files on Linux? I highly recommend abcde. You'll have to provide your own encoder. On Woody, abcde defaults to producing OggVorbis files; it's the same concept as MP3, but free of nasty patent problems. (See http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/ for details on both Vorbis and the patent issues with MP3.) The current version of xmms has a Vorbis player, and ogg123 works for the command-line. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.mit.edu/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell
Re: CD to MP3 Util
"Timothy C. Phan" wrote: > > Hi , > > Is there any utility to convert CD files to MP3 files on Linux? > TIA! > XMMS can (look for plugins, configs... +p if I'm not mistaken) Digital Overdrive -- .~. http://www.dsinet.org/hackfaq | http://www.dsinet.org /V\ [EMAIL PROTECTED] /( )\ ^^-^^ "Microsoft: We make virii work!"
Re: Gnome Sound Problems Continued
I know that your problem with the gnome sounds is that esd and the gnome sounds are fighting over the sound card basically. I can't help you much more than that, I just don't use sounds with gnome, but it may help. On approximately Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 12:08:29PM -0500, Arlen Carlson wrote: > Well I'm making progress on my Gnome sound problem...seems that esd is at > fault. If I kill the esd process I get my sound back under Gnome. > > The big question is why? And how did this problem start? How do I prevent > esd > from running under Gnome, or do I need it? > > --- > Arlen Carlson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > You will have long and healthy life. > > > This message was sent by XFmail (Linux) > > -o) > /\\ >_\_v > > The penguins are coming... > the penguins are coming... > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
StartX error
i have read about 5 different online scripts trying to tell me the easiest way to get the x windows to start and have tried a couple but i keep coming back the problem of Could not find config file! - Tired: /etc/XF86Config /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config.master /usr/X11R6/lib/XF86Config Fatal server error: no Config file found! ive done the step by step instructions i have found with no luck at all So if u can give me another way to do it without downloading all the files again that would be greatly appericated thank you Will _ Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com
Re: deleted root directory - fixed, actually a lib problem
Adam & Karsten, thanks very much for your postings. i am a fool for not backing up better - i suppose i was waiting to buy a CD writer but didn't want to spend. anyway hints from your emails gave me enough to go on. i ran fsck to repair. you also mentioned libraries which i looked into, and sure enough the contents to lib had been moved! so i'm sorry to say i was obviously wrong - i had not deleted the root (i don't think anyway) but somehow the essential system libraries had been moved and hence 'ls' and other command did not work. i would not have been able to do this without your promt help. thank you very much. regards tom
CD to MP3 Util
Hi , Is there any utility to convert CD files to MP3 files on Linux? TIA! --- tcp
Wierd ISP Email Processing
I just changed ISPs, to Flashcom, and have noticed that they seem to have a strange email processing system. I have a potato box using exim as my email MTA. The email arrangement is pretty standard for ISP email, I get mail via POP3 using fetchmail from a Flashcom POP3 server and send mail using SMTP to a different (at least hostname) Flashcom SMTP server. I have been able to send some email successfully through their outgoing SMTP server. But last night I received 3 rejected messages from their mail server. The text of one of the messages follows: - Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:51:43 -0800 From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender This message was created automatically by mail delivery software. A message that you sent could not be delivered to one or more of its recipients. The following address(es) failed: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: host smtp.flashcom.net.criticalpath.net [209.228.150.115]: 553 To send mail, first check your mail with a valid POP account; this prevents unauthorized SPAM relaying. (#5.7.1) -- This is a copy of the message, including all the headers. -- Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Received: from sawitt by electra.flashcom.net with local-esmtp (Exim 3.12 #1 (Debian)) id 141Mcw-00011z-00; Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:51:26 -0800 Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2000 21:51:26 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Witt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: Address verification request In-Reply-To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Form-Type: [List-Manager-Commands] Command: [auth 421fae58] Command: [subscribe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>] Command: [end] - It appears that they are doing some processing to relate checking mail with sending mail. I believe there is some time interval, on the order of minutes, that one must check their POP mail account before sending SMTP mail or else they reject the sending email message. I've called their customer service and have gotten absolutely nowhere with them. I can't get them to address the error message that is shown above, they only want to talk about how Outlook is configured. I'm afraid this is going to be a long drawn-out battle with them. Anyway, I've never run across anything like this before, and was wondering if anyone had, and whether there was a solution for it or not. I looked through the exim docs and didn't see any configuration that would seem to accomplish this. Thanks...
Re: Harddisk controller
>From my personal experience I have not been able to get the kernel patches for >2.2* to work. The patches are not so great backports from the 2.4* kernels, so the easiest way to get the card to work with my experience is to use 2.4* kernels, I have been using them with the card since around 2.4.0test1 or so, and it works out great for me, but your luck may be different with the test kernels. Just my 2 cents worth.
Re: OT: port scan
Lo, on Wednesday, November 29, brian moore did write: > On Tue, Nov 28, 2000 at 05:38:12PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote: > > > > Well, they can be. Connections to TCP ports 137, 138, and 139 are part of > > Windows file- and printer-sharing. I don't know all that much about how > > SMB works, but I'm fairly sure there are broadcasts to these ports > > involved, primarily in setting up the Network Neighborhood. > > Yes, and here are even worms for Windows that go probing looking for > open SMB shares to write themselves into. > > > So, if you happen to be on a network (like, say, a cable modem local loop) > > with some Windows PCs that have file/print sharing turned on, these may not > > represent a security problem. (Well, for *you*, anyway.) > > Or if you happen to be on a network 'near' (typically within a dozen > /24's or so) of someone with one of the above worms running This doesn't surprise me in the least. However: 1) I don't think there's really any way to distinguish one of these worms from a legit SMB broadcast, at least not with the level of detail that ipchains logging gives you. (I'm not even sure that a packet sniffer/protocol analyzer like ethereal would allow you to distinguish between the two, but then I don't know anything about the details of the SMB protocol.) 2) This could only affect a Linux user if they've got samba installed and running on their machine. Since they would have to have some sort of ipchains firewalling stuff to get the logs in the first place, then blocking SMB traffic to/from the outside world is trivial. (This is why I claimed that such probes were not necessarily a security problem for a Linux machine---Windows machines are another story altogether.) I can't think of any legitimate reason to allow SMB traffic to/from the outside world. VPNs are fine, but that's different. Richard
Why non-free (was Re: unzip - again)
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:52:51PM -0500, Chris Gray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "Carel" == Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Carel> unzip is not truly free, so it ain't part of Debian pure. > Carel> Try adding non-free to your default deb line in your > Carel> /etc/apt/sources.list: > > This is strange to me. I've seen the unzip licence, and it looks like > one of the most free out there. Could someone explain why it's in > non-free? > > (Actually there's one in non-US, which I can understand because of the > encryption, and one in non-free which I can't understand). Which specific copyright? /usr/doc/unzip-crypt/copyright stipulates several restrictions on use in commercial software or software sold for a profit. This would tend to run against the directives of the DFS guidelines. Ergo: non-free. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpm7wEWcxAWf.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
on Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 04:36:18PM -0500, Chris Gray ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > "kmself" == kmself writes: > > kmself> I'd also confirmed this on another box. Though I can > kmself> never remember what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*() mode bit is for > SUID. > kmself> '4577' was what I was looking for, IIRC. > > 4755. Though you should probably use suidregister (see > /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnupg.postinst for how to do it). > > >> Applications with access to gnupg's memory are either running > >> as root or as the user owner of the gnupg process. You must > >> trust root, and I don't think that a bad process running as you > >> would read gnupg's memory (strace the shell and hook exec, for > >> example). > > >> The issue is the swap; locked pages are never swapped out, so > >> the disk never seeks them. If someone could pick over your swap > >> then they could pickout sectors with high-entropy and possibly > >> they would be your privkey. > > kmself> So: the locked pages are still accessible to other root > kmself> processes, but not to user-land programs, and they're not > kmself> swapped to disk? > > The other root programs shouldn't be looking at memory other than > their own, or else they'd segfault. The major thing with > memory-locking is that the memory never gets written to disk. What about /proc/kcore or /dev/mem? -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpEZyOwu53Dl.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: potato-n-woody side by side?
Glenn, I also lost my backspace key in the process. In desperation I rang a friend who logged in to my box and offered advice. It seems that you need to nudge apt to keep going with installation. It comes to an end, you start to use your machine and then find some packages won't work. Have a look in /var/cache/apt/archives. See if the package is there. If you need it straight away, then just dpkg -i .deb . Otherwise issue: apt-get dist-upgradeagain to start the ball rolling. Eventually you get there. I spent about 30 hours on the net in all, ftping woody by way of apt-get. __ If you're having trouble with the backspace key - so am I. It may be a quirk of xfree86-4. You can fix it with xmodmap -e "keycode 22 = BackSpace" which is case sensitive. This works for the duration of the session. You can make it permanent by writing a .Xmodmap file for your user, containing just the line keycode 22 = BackSpace No doubt the gurus will notice this problem which lots of people are getting at the moment. Nick
Re: gpg: "Warning: using shared memory" - SUID?
> "kmself" == kmself writes: kmself> I'd also confirmed this on another box. Though I can kmself> never remember what the [EMAIL PROTECTED]&*() mode bit is for SUID. kmself> '4577' was what I was looking for, IIRC. 4755. Though you should probably use suidregister (see /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnupg.postinst for how to do it). >> Applications with access to gnupg's memory are either running >> as root or as the user owner of the gnupg process. You must >> trust root, and I don't think that a bad process running as you >> would read gnupg's memory (strace the shell and hook exec, for >> example). >> The issue is the swap; locked pages are never swapped out, so >> the disk never seeks them. If someone could pick over your swap >> then they could pickout sectors with high-entropy and possibly >> they would be your privkey. kmself> So: the locked pages are still accessible to other root kmself> processes, but not to user-land programs, and they're not kmself> swapped to disk? The other root programs shouldn't be looking at memory other than their own, or else they'd segfault. The major thing with memory-locking is that the memory never gets written to disk. Chris -- Every child in America MUST get one of these things for Christmas or Chanukah or Kwanzaa or Atheist Children Get Presents Day. -- Dave Barry
Re: unzip - again
> "Carel" == Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Carel> unzip is not truly free, so it ain't part of Debian pure. Carel> Try adding non-free to your default deb line in your Carel> /etc/apt/sources.list: This is strange to me. I've seen the unzip licence, and it looks like one of the most free out there. Could someone explain why it's in non-free? (Actually there's one in non-US, which I can understand because of the encryption, and one in non-free which I can't understand). Thanks, Chris -- Every child in America MUST get one of these things for Christmas or Chanukah or Kwanzaa or Atheist Children Get Presents Day. -- Dave Barry
libmng problem
Hi, After installing Qt I'm trying to install KDE. After collecting all the needed packages (debian; e.g. .deb) I fail to collect all needed ones. One of them is libmng. I downloaded the .tar.gz versions of the few missing packages. So far, so good. However the package libmng_0.9.2.org.tar.gz won't gunzip! It still keeps calling "unexpected end of file". I downloaded this one from 5 different sites, still the same result. I worked this package with tar zxvf. It constructs the directory but breakes off in the middle: unexpected EOF. KDE (Kdebase for instance) won't install because of dependencies with this package. Has anyone a good package (this failing package is 168 Kb) or, even better, a .deb version of this library. Thanx, Frank.
Re: Wrong message - Was: How to install LAMP the Debian way
On Fri, Dec 01, 2000 at 08:16:07AM +1100 or thereabouts, John Griffiths wrote: > >Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in > >/var/www/test2.php on line 15 > > apt-get install php4-mysql > wooo! thanks alot. now off to lamp land... btw, in case someone is also looking for the same info here's what i did to install lamp the debian way: apt-get install apache mysql-server mysql-client php4-mysql (well actually the last one was "php4" which was wrong) -- Key fingerprint = 9DE1 5825 77B4 FF45 7485 D3EB DCCF DE48 09B6 4426 "Who's watching the watchmen?"
Re: ftp on a non standard port
On Jue 30 Nov 2000 22:20, Alexey Vyskubov wrote: > On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:49PM +0100, Daniel de los Reyes wrote: > > > /etc/proftpd.conf or something). I have done that over here, with no > > > problems. > > > > I am using wu-ftp and I can't find any place to set the port on config > > files under /etc/wu-ftp. > > From man wu-ftpd: > >The -p and -P options override the port numbers used by >the daemon. Normally, the daemon determines the port num- >bers by looking in /etc/services for "ftp" and "ftp-data". >If there is no /etc/services entry for "ftp-data" and the >-P option is not specified, the daemon uses the port just >prior to the control connection port. The -p option is >only available if running as a standalone daemon. I tryed to set this option on /etc/init.d/wu-ftp but it had no effect -- __ Daniel de los Reyes S2-Selling Soluciones Valencia Spain e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Powered by Debian GNU-Linux 2.2r0 __
umlauts-in-terminal/console-problem after upgrading to woody
Hi, I have a large problem getting umlauts to work since I upgraded to woody. I made the XFree4.0-Server run although I use a voodoo3-2000. Caused me some problems etc. but it works now. Aswell I got that new locales-package. I edited /etc/locale.gen and generated de_DE aswell I edited /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 and changed us to de and 104 keys to 102. Now I have a german keymap. But still _no_ Umlauts like (äöü) under any terminal or console. Neither without nor under X. I already asked around in debian-chat but the only thing they could tell me was: export LC_ALL=de_DE and then restart bash. Which really made Umlauts work under a single console/terminal, but not systemwide! How can I apply this systemwide now? Greetings, Michael -- Sent through GMX FreeMail - http://www.gmx.net
Re: xplanet: error while loading shared libraries: libdpstk.so.1
on Wed, Nov 29, 2000 at 10:41:30AM -0800, kmself@ix.netcom.com (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote: > I'm getting the following error after my latest Woody dist-upgrade > yesterday. Anyone else? > > xplanet: error while loading shared libraries: libdpstk.so.1: cannot > open shared object file: No such file or directory > > ...attempting to read a PNG file This was resolved by running: $ dpkg --configure --pending In some cases, additional apt-get dist-upgrade (s) may be necessary. -- Karsten M. Self http://www.netcom.com/~kmself Evangelist, Zelerate, Inc. http://www.zelerate.org What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpBe1zyaUIyg.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: ftp on a non standard port
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:49PM +0100, Daniel de los Reyes wrote: > On Jue 30 Nov 2000 22:01, Frederik Vanrenterghem wrote: > > On Thu, 30 Nov 2000, Daniel de los Reyes wrote: > > > I need to set up an ftp server on a non standard port. If I change the > > > entry in /etc/services I get it to listen in the required port, but my > > > client ftp sessions from this machine also make their requests to the > > > non-standard port, so they fail. > > > > Just specify the port in the configuration file of your ftpd (eg > > /etc/proftpd.conf or something). I have done that over here, with no > > problems. > I am using wu-ftp and I can't find any place to set the port on config files > under /etc/wu-ftp. > > By the way is there something better than wu-ftp? Hehe, look at www.proftpd.net and find a very nice ftpd! Simple config, well documented, very stable! Hint: Use a CVS checkout (it's stable) cause the rc2 had 2 bugs (which are important). PASV and chmod won't work. Cu, Sven -- ACHTUNG! Aktuelle e-mail Adresse ist [EMAIL PROTECTED] == One Unix to rule them all, One Resolver to find them, One IP to bring them all and in the zone to bind them
PSGML problems since upgrade
Ever since I upgraded from Mandrake to Debian I have been getting the following errors from XEmacs psgml-mode: Docbook documents: /usr/lib/sgml/entities/ISOamsa line 11 col 22 entity ISOamsa /usr/lib/sgml/entities/docbook-3.1/dbcent.mod line 54 col 9 entity dbcent /usr/lib/sgml/dtd/docbook-3.1/docbook.dtd line 69 col 8 entity BOOK /home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/doctest.sgml line 1 col 54 Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: "[cularr]"-- HTML documents: /usr/lib/sgml/entities/HTMLlat1 line 12 col 22 entity HTMLlat1 /usr/lib/sgml/dtd/html-4.01-loose.dtd line 174 col 10 entity HTML /home/hgebel/development/PyBackup/doc/test.html line 1 col 62 Delimiter MDC (>) expected; at: " " -- I reformated all of my partitions except /home , so all of the files in other partitions are installed from .deb packages. Since I kept my old home directory I thought it might be a problem with an old configuration file; but I created a new user and got the same problem when logged in as that user. Does anyone have an idea what is going on here? I wish I knew more about psgml (and sgml in general) internals so I could figure it out on my own, but I don't. -- Harry Henry Gebel, ICQ# 76308382 West Dover Hundred, Delaware
Re: ftp on a non standard port
On Thu, Nov 30, 2000 at 10:09:49PM +0100, Daniel de los Reyes wrote: > > /etc/proftpd.conf or something). I have done that over here, with no > > problems. > I am using wu-ftp and I can't find any place to set the port on config files > under /etc/wu-ftp. >From man wu-ftpd: The -p and -P options override the port numbers used by the daemon. Normally, the daemon determines the port num- bers by looking in /etc/services for "ftp" and "ftp-data". If there is no /etc/services entry for "ftp-data" and the -P option is not specified, the daemon uses the port just prior to the control connection port. The -p option is only available if running as a standalone daemon. -- Alexey Vyskubov (at home) Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread!
Re: Wrong message - Was: How to install LAMP the Debian way
>Fatal error: Call to undefined function: mysql_connect() in >/var/www/test2.php on line 15 apt-get install php4-mysql
