Re: apt-get netscape v4.76 problem

2001-01-06 Thread Bob Nielsen

It looks like you are missing either communicator-smotif-476 or
navigator-smotif-476, which are the packages containing the executable.

On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 09:33:48PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:
> Yikes!
> I have done:
> apt-get install netscape-base-4
> apt-get install netscape-base-476
> apt-get install netscape-java-476
> apt-get install navigator-base-476
> apt-get install communicator-base-476
> 
> but NONE of these ever installs the netscape
> executable. or, if it is, I can't find it
> anywhere to run it.
> so, in conjunction to all of these apt-get
> installations, I have also downloaded the
> linux-2.2 navigator (not communicator) and ran
> the ns-install script (which seems to work) but
> the netscape executable still can't find the
> libstdc++ (see below)
> 
> Please, anyone who has succesfully installed
> netscape, please, how did you do it??
> 
> Good night, all.. I've been at this for quite
> some time, and now it is time for sleep.  :-)
> 
> thankyou all who have replyed to me tonight. Your
> support has kept me from going mad.
> 
> xucaen
> 
> 
> xucaen
> --- Xucaen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > I need some advice. I am running Debian v2.2r2,
> > XFREE v3.3.6, I just installed Netscape v4.76.
> > The installation was successful. But when I try
> > to run netscape I get an error concerning libc.
> > The README says there is a known
> > incompatibility
> > with Netscape and libc and to go to
> > http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC to
> > download
> > the appropriate libc.
> > 
> > I'm wondering if maybe I should just install an
> > earlier version of netscape? Or should I
> > install
> > a new version of libc and if so, which one?
> > 
> > here is a screen print of my error message when
> > I
> > try to run netscape:
> > 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ls
> > 
> > LICENSE   XKeysymDB   libnullplugin-dynMotif.so
> > 
> > netscape-dynMotif  vregNetscape.ad 
> > bookmark.htm  nethelp   plugins  README  java 
> > netscape   registry
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ./netscape
> > 
> > ./netscape: error in loading shared libraries:
> > libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared
> > object file: No such file or directory 
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I installed netscape as root using the
> > ns-install
> > script that came with netscape.
> > 
> > thanks!!!
> > 
> > xucaen
> > 
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Re: apt-get netscape v4.76 problem

2001-01-06 Thread Nate Amsden
try doing just

apt-get install communicator

i would remove all the other netscape packages first apt may do it for
you
but if it were my system i'd do it(you won't waste any time downloading
them again as they still should be in apt's cache)

nate


Xucaen wrote:
> 
> Yikes!
> I have done:
> apt-get install netscape-base-4
> apt-get install netscape-base-476
> apt-get install netscape-java-476
> apt-get install navigator-base-476
> apt-get install communicator-base-476
> 
> but NONE of these ever installs the netscape
> executable. or, if it is, I can't find it
> anywhere to run it.
> so, in conjunction to all of these apt-get
> installations, I have also downloaded the
> linux-2.2 navigator (not communicator) and ran
> the ns-install script (which seems to work) but
> the netscape executable still can't find the
> libstdc++ (see below)
> 
> Please, anyone who has succesfully installed
> netscape, please, how did you do it??
> 
> Good night, all.. I've been at this for quite
> some time, and now it is time for sleep.  :-)
> 
> thankyou all who have replyed to me tonight. Your
> support has kept me from going mad.
> 
> xucaen
> 
> xucaen
> --- Xucaen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Hi all!
> > I need some advice. I am running Debian v2.2r2,
> > XFREE v3.3.6, I just installed Netscape v4.76.
> > The installation was successful. But when I try
> > to run netscape I get an error concerning libc.
> > The README says there is a known
> > incompatibility
> > with Netscape and libc and to go to
> > http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC to
> > download
> > the appropriate libc.
> >
> > I'm wondering if maybe I should just install an
> > earlier version of netscape? Or should I
> > install
> > a new version of libc and if so, which one?
> >
> > here is a screen print of my error message when
> > I
> > try to run netscape:
> >
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ls
> >
> > LICENSE   XKeysymDB   libnullplugin-dynMotif.so
> >
> > netscape-dynMotif  vregNetscape.ad
> > bookmark.htm  nethelp   plugins  README  java
> > netscape   registry
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ./netscape
> >
> > ./netscape: error in loading shared libraries:
> > libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared
> > object file: No such file or directory
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$
> >
> > 
> >
> > I installed netscape as root using the
> > ns-install
> > script that came with netscape.
> >
> > thanks!!!
> >
> > xucaen
> >
> >
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> > Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos
> > online!
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> >
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apt-get netscape v4.76 problem

2001-01-06 Thread Xucaen
Yikes!
I have done:
apt-get install netscape-base-4
apt-get install netscape-base-476
apt-get install netscape-java-476
apt-get install navigator-base-476
apt-get install communicator-base-476

but NONE of these ever installs the netscape
executable. or, if it is, I can't find it
anywhere to run it.
so, in conjunction to all of these apt-get
installations, I have also downloaded the
linux-2.2 navigator (not communicator) and ran
the ns-install script (which seems to work) but
the netscape executable still can't find the
libstdc++ (see below)

Please, anyone who has succesfully installed
netscape, please, how did you do it??

Good night, all.. I've been at this for quite
some time, and now it is time for sleep.  :-)

thankyou all who have replyed to me tonight. Your
support has kept me from going mad.

xucaen


xucaen
--- Xucaen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi all!
> I need some advice. I am running Debian v2.2r2,
> XFREE v3.3.6, I just installed Netscape v4.76.
> The installation was successful. But when I try
> to run netscape I get an error concerning libc.
> The README says there is a known
> incompatibility
> with Netscape and libc and to go to
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC to
> download
> the appropriate libc.
> 
> I'm wondering if maybe I should just install an
> earlier version of netscape? Or should I
> install
> a new version of libc and if so, which one?
> 
> here is a screen print of my error message when
> I
> try to run netscape:
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ls
> 
> LICENSE   XKeysymDB   libnullplugin-dynMotif.so
> 
> netscape-dynMotif  vregNetscape.ad 
> bookmark.htm  nethelp   plugins  README  java 
> netscape   registry
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ./netscape
> 
> ./netscape: error in loading shared libraries:
> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$
> 
> 
> 
> I installed netscape as root using the
> ns-install
> script that came with netscape.
> 
> thanks!!!
> 
> xucaen
> 
>
__
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> Yahoo! Photos - Share your holiday photos
> online!
> http://photos.yahoo.com/
> 


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Re: lilo.conf 21.6.1 will soon be out

2001-01-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sunday 07 January 2001 07:34, Mircea Luca wrote:
> Since this thread is CC'ed to debian-user,is it a known fact that
> message=/boot/graphic_screen doesn't work with the new lilo or is it a
> bug
> I should report ?For now I installed the storm's version of lilo and
> holded
> the official lilo(1:21.6-2).

It's not known to me!  Yes, please report the bug at level 2 (package is 
unsuitable for stable release).  Please send me a private email containing 
the contents of your bug report.

I need to know:
What you were previously doing.
What the new lilo does (or doesn't do).
Whether it's a problem of the debconf (which doesn't include code for 
message= yet) or whether the lilo itself is at fault.

A copy of your message send as a file attachment (note please don't paste it 
into a message) in a private email to me would be good too.

Also 21.6.1 will be released soon.  If the bug appears to be in lilo itself 
then I'll forward it upstream ASAP so that the new version will hopefully fix 
it.
Currently my lilo packages have some code from 21.6.1 and the previous lilo 
package was in an even worse situation regarding having upstream patches in 
the Debian patch.
I would like to have my package as close to the upstream source as possible, 
so please report any issues that may be upstream bugs with as much speed as 
possible so I can make a clean package of 21.6.1!

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Re: Cannot Open /dev/dsp device

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Aaron Maxwell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# Hi.  xanim complains that it cannot open the /dev/dsp
# device.  Funny thing is, I'm in the audio group and the
# device's permissions seem legit:

# Can't Open /dev/dsp device
# ^C
# yomama[12]% 

If some other program is using /dev/dsp, you'll also get that error.

Check to see if 'esd' is running, it'll snatch up /dev/dsp. I know there
are ways to make it release it every so often, but I can't remember how.

Dave



Re: runlevels and XF86Setup??

2001-01-06 Thread Xucaen

--- "Eric G . Miller"  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:57:57PM -0800,
> Xucaen wrote:
> > 
> > --- "Eric G . Miller"  wrote:
> > > On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:12:56PM -0800,
> > > Xucaen wrote:
> > > > in /etc/rc3.d I canged the symlink of
> S99xdm
> > > from
> > > > ../init.d/xdm to /dev/null
> > > 
> > > Aargh! Don't do that.  Just remove the
> symlink
> > > S99xdm and XDM will not
> > > be run at boot for the given runlevel.  As
> long
> > > as you leave one symlink
> > > in one of the rc?.d dirs, upgrades of xdm
> will
> > > never modify these
> > > settings.
> > > 
> > 
> > Are you saying that pointing S99xdm to
> /dev/null
> > caused XF86Setup to hang the system?
> 
> Doesn't seem likely, but the semantics of
> symlinking an rc?.d entry to
> /dev/null seems wrong.  If XF86Setup is
> buggered on your system,
> xf86config and xvidtune should be suffiecient
> to get X 3 up and running.
> 

thanks for replying! I see your point that
pointing an rc?.d entry to /dev/null probably
isn't a good idea. 
XF86Setup only failed after I changed the
symlink. Otherwise, XF86Setup works fine. I was
wondering how else can I stop X from loading
automatically without losing the ability to run
XF86Setup?
Also, has anyone else every run into this kind of
problem? 

thanks!!!

xucaen

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Cannot Open /dev/dsp device

2001-01-06 Thread Aaron Maxwell
Hi.  xanim complains that it cannot open the /dev/dsp
device.  Funny thing is, I'm in the audio group and the
device's permissions seem legit:

yomama[8]% groups
amaxwell audio
yomama[9]% ls -l /dev/dsp
crw-rw1 root audio 14,   3 Jun 28  2000 /dev/dsp
yomama[10]% ls -l `which xanim`
-rwxr-xr-x1 root root   604060 Aug 13 20:13 /usr/X11R6/bin/xanim*
yomama[11]% xanim delay-ss1.au
XAnim Rev 2.80.0 by Mark Podlipec Copyright (C)
1991-1999. All Rights Reserved
Can't Open /dev/dsp device
^C
yomama[12]% 

TIA.
Aaron



Re: Parallel Printer Port Problem

2001-01-06 Thread Jeffrey S. Coppock
GREAT NEWS!!!

It's working!

I don't really understand why, but I was able to narrow it down to lpr as the 
culprit (with several peoples help).  So, after reinstalling lprng several 
times, I decided to try lpr.  LPR WORKS!  I don't know what the difference is, 
but it's enough.  I reinstalled magicfilter after and I'm printing in full 
color from all my applications.

Phew!  That's one off my list.

thanks again for all your help...I hope I can return the favor.

jc

On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:32:42AM +, Jo Geraerts wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> On Thu, 4 Jan 2001, Jeffrey S. Coppock wrote:
> 
> > Jan  4 07:36:20 localhost kernel: parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778), irq 
> > 7, dma 3 [SPP,ECP,ECPPS2]
> > Jan  4 07:36:21 localhost kernel: parport_probe: succeeded
> > Jan  4 07:36:21 localhost kernel: parport0: Printer, HEWLETT-PACKARD 
> > DESKJET 950C
> > Jan  4 07:36:21 localhost kernel: lp0: using parport0 (interrupt-driven).
> > I've re-installed magicfilter, but that didn't help either.
> 
> Does it print if you run the following command:
> 
> echo "this is a test">/dev/lp0
> 
> If it doesn't, take another look to the log's for errors. If it does,
> there's something wrong with your magicfilter config
> 
> Greetz,
> Jo

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Re: Packaging Policy.

2001-01-06 Thread Corey Popelier
> You are right about this.  My point was that taking over a package and
> calling it official without the maintainer's knowledge is not very
> nice.  Since Corey is probably not about to do this, it was probably
> not the best language to use.

Correct, I'm sure as hell not about to do that :) But I was thinking along
the lines of saying "look, here's an unofficial .deb of fetchmail since it
appears to be a tad outdated, and I've had considerable problems with
the existing one which appear to be resolved in a later version."

Note that, at this stage, I haven't tried contacting the current
maintainer, nor have I done anything in regards to debbing unofficially
any package. I am a programmer by profession though (admittedly on the
"other" OS since that equals $$ and that pays my rent, but with
experience in c/c++) so its not just an idle thought.

What I was looking at was if I did follow through with my idea, if it was
gonna create ill-will anywhere I'd let the thought slide.

Corey Popelier.




Re: lilo.conf

2001-01-06 Thread Mircea Luca
Russell Coker wrote:
> 
> On Sunday 07 January 2001 05:20, Tibor D. wrote:
> > Russell Coker wrote:
> > > On Saturday 06 January 2001 21:19, Tibor D. wrote:
> > >> Could you imagin squid.conf without any comments and example-lines? The
> > >
> > > Incidentally I have recently submitted a proposal for debconf'ing Squid.
> > > I've forward it to debian-user a few minutes ago.
> >
> > As I mentioned above, I'd really like to have a fast way to setup squid
> > or lilo (with some menu-system), but I'd like to have the possibility to
> > update the original conffiles by hand (and to know that these lines
> > won't just disappear when installing an update).
> > Today I had to update /etc/inetd.conf and to activate swat (its for
> > samba) and there I saw already the line: ## swat ...
> > There I found that these lines can be changed by the "update-inetd"-tool.
> > I think something like that would be cool, so one can insert own lines,
> > but some tool can also handle those labeled-lines (and only those). So
> > the config-files remain transparent.
> > I think it's not the idea of debconf, to really have all possible
> > variables of lilo.conf/squid.conf changed, but only the "most wanted"
> > for a fast setup.
> 
> In the next version there is a debconf option for whether you want to
> overwrite an existing lilo.conf file with a generated file.
> Also I have added a "-f" option to liloconfig to force the creation of a new
> file, so you could create a new file when you want with "liloconfig -f", also
> I've made liloconfig take a parameter of the file to create, so you could do
> "liloconfig /tmp/lilo.conf" to see what it suggests (and then do what you
> like with the output).
> 

Hi

Since this thread is CC'ed to debian-user,is it a known fact that
message=/boot/graphic_screen doesn't work with the new lilo or is it a
bug
I should report ?For now I installed the storm's version of lilo and
holded
the official lilo(1:21.6-2).



Re: runlevels and XF86Setup??

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:57:57PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:
> 
> --- "Eric G . Miller"  wrote:
> > On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:12:56PM -0800,
> > Xucaen wrote:
> > > in /etc/rc3.d I canged the symlink of S99xdm
> > from
> > > ../init.d/xdm to /dev/null
> > 
> > Aargh! Don't do that.  Just remove the symlink
> > S99xdm and XDM will not
> > be run at boot for the given runlevel.  As long
> > as you leave one symlink
> > in one of the rc?.d dirs, upgrades of xdm will
> > never modify these
> > settings.
> > 
> 
> Are you saying that pointing S99xdm to /dev/null
> caused XF86Setup to hang the system?

Doesn't seem likely, but the semantics of symlinking an rc?.d entry to
/dev/null seems wrong.  If XF86Setup is buggered on your system,
xf86config and xvidtune should be suffiecient to get X 3 up and running.

-- 
Eric G. Miller 



Re: 2.4.0 and 3com 905c

2001-01-06 Thread Corey Popelier
http://linuxtoday.com

In the notes for 2.4.0ac3 as just released by Alan Cox is reference to:

o   Add support for the newer 3c905 cards   (Andrew Morton)

Perhaps trying this patch might be worth your while.

Cheers,
 Corey J. Popelier
 http://members.dingoblue.net.au/~pancreas


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> > i've been using stock kernel 2.2.17 that came with potato.  it
> > recognized my 3com nic (as 3com 3c905c) and works wonderfully.
> >
> > i would like to ungrade to kernel 2.4.0 (now that it's stable).
> > after rebooting a custom 2.4.0, i can't seem to get the nic recognized
> > by the kernel.  in the recompile, i specified 3com (and the 900
> > series).
> >
> > does anyone know how i can get the 3com nic (that 2.2.17 sees as
> > 3c905c) to be recognized by 2.4.0?
>
> 2.4.0 has known problems with 3com PCI ethernet cards.  I think there are
> patches available, but I don't know where.
>
> The 3c59x driver in 2.4.0-test11 works great through - maybe you could
> drop that in and see what you get.
>
> Beyond that your options are:
>  * stick with 2.2.x
>  * wait for 2.4.1
>
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Re: debconf

2001-01-06 Thread Rob VanFleet
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 08:06:19PM -0800, Joey Hess wrote:
> Rob VanFleet wrote:
> > How does one go about changing the message priority in debconf? 
> 
> You may be looking for 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' -- without a bit more
> explination I can't tell for sure.

Sorry about the vagueness.  Basically, when I did my initial install,
debconf was set to only give me high priority messages, I would like to
set this to low.  I did dpkg-reconfigure debconf-tiny and I got no
errors, but nothing happened either.

-Rob



Re: debconf

2001-01-06 Thread Joey Hess
Rob VanFleet wrote:
> How does one go about changing the message priority in debconf? 

You may be looking for 'dpkg-reconfigure debconf' -- without a bit more
explination I can't tell for sure.

-- 
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Re: Packaging Policy.

2001-01-06 Thread Joey Hess
Chris Gray wrote:
> For example, how about this?
> 
> -
> 
> I, Chris Gray, have the official wmnetselect package on my apt site, 
> 
> http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~cgray4
> 
> -
> 
> Since I'm not the maintainer (you are), isn't what I have just done
> unethical?  

It doesn't bother me one bit. I expect debian users have brains enough
to know where official Debian packages come from; the existence of an
official Chris Gray package is no skin off my nose.

> By the way, would you mind sponsoring my wmnetselect package? :)

Heh. I think Norman Jordan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> has already said he wants
to take it over.

-- 
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Re: lilo.conf

2001-01-06 Thread Russell Coker
On Sunday 07 January 2001 05:20, Tibor D. wrote:
> Russell Coker wrote:
> > On Saturday 06 January 2001 21:19, Tibor D. wrote:
> >> Could you imagin squid.conf without any comments and example-lines? The
> >
> > Incidentally I have recently submitted a proposal for debconf'ing Squid.
> > I've forward it to debian-user a few minutes ago.
>
> As I mentioned above, I'd really like to have a fast way to setup squid
> or lilo (with some menu-system), but I'd like to have the possibility to
> update the original conffiles by hand (and to know that these lines
> won't just disappear when installing an update).
> Today I had to update /etc/inetd.conf and to activate swat (its for
> samba) and there I saw already the line: ## swat ...
> There I found that these lines can be changed by the "update-inetd"-tool.
> I think something like that would be cool, so one can insert own lines,
> but some tool can also handle those labeled-lines (and only those). So
> the config-files remain transparent.
> I think it's not the idea of debconf, to really have all possible
> variables of lilo.conf/squid.conf changed, but only the "most wanted"
> for a fast setup.

In the next version there is a debconf option for whether you want to 
overwrite an existing lilo.conf file with a generated file.
Also I have added a "-f" option to liloconfig to force the creation of a new 
file, so you could create a new file when you want with "liloconfig -f", also 
I've made liloconfig take a parameter of the file to create, so you could do 
"liloconfig /tmp/lilo.conf" to see what it suggests (and then do what you 
like with the output).

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http://www.coker.com.au/projects.html Projects I am working on
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Re: runlevels and XF86Setup??

2001-01-06 Thread Xucaen

--- "Eric G . Miller"  wrote:
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:12:56PM -0800,
> Xucaen wrote:
> > in /etc/rc3.d I canged the symlink of S99xdm
> from
> > ../init.d/xdm to /dev/null
> 
> Aargh! Don't do that.  Just remove the symlink
> S99xdm and XDM will not
> be run at boot for the given runlevel.  As long
> as you leave one symlink
> in one of the rc?.d dirs, upgrades of xdm will
> never modify these
> settings.
> 

Are you saying that pointing S99xdm to /dev/null
caused XF86Setup to hang the system?




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debconf

2001-01-06 Thread Rob VanFleet
How does one go about changing the message priority in debconf? 

-Rob



Re: runlevels and XF86Setup??

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:12:56PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:
> Hi all!!!
> 
> During the last few weeks, there have been
> discussions about how to keep X from
> automatically starting upon booting the system.
> Most replys leaned towards disabling xdm in the
> runlevel directory. This does work. However, I
> came upon something strange. Here's what I did.
> 
> My default runlevel was runlevel 2.
> 
> I changed my default runlevel in /etc/inittab to
> runlevel 3.
> 
> (note that /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d have the
> same symlinks.)
> 
> in /etc/rc3.d I canged the symlink of S99xdm from
> ../init.d/xdm to /dev/null

Aargh! Don't do that.  Just remove the symlink S99xdm and XDM will not
be run at boot for the given runlevel.  As long as you leave one symlink
in one of the rc?.d dirs, upgrades of xdm will never modify these
settings.

> 
> This successfully keeps X from starting
> automatically when I reboot the system.
> 
> The I use startx to start XFree.
> 
> Inside X, I try to run XF86Setup and the system
> hangs.
> 
> I changed the symlink of S99xdm from /dev/null
> back to ../init.d/xdm
> 
> This makes X start automatically when I reboot
> the system.
> 
> XF86Setup runs without any problems.
> 
> comments? suggestions?
> 
> Xucaen
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Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Mircea Luca
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
 
> Hmm... The package only changes the -mcpu and -march flags.
> 
> I think it's easy to change the script for someone who knows Perl and the
> stuff checked there. (I'm not too familiar with those, although I could
> try something and make a .deb)
Greatly appreciated

> But the default for dpkg-buildpackage is -O2, why do you want -O3?
> The only difference seems to be  -finline-functions
> 
> J.
> 

Hmm..well I read in the gcc manual that -O3 is "optimize even more" and
is the maximum.:-)



runlevels and XF86Setup??

2001-01-06 Thread Xucaen
Hi all!!!

During the last few weeks, there have been
discussions about how to keep X from
automatically starting upon booting the system.
Most replys leaned towards disabling xdm in the
runlevel directory. This does work. However, I
came upon something strange. Here's what I did.

My default runlevel was runlevel 2.

I changed my default runlevel in /etc/inittab to
runlevel 3.

(note that /etc/rc2.d and /etc/rc3.d have the
same symlinks.)

in /etc/rc3.d I canged the symlink of S99xdm from
../init.d/xdm to /dev/null

This successfully keeps X from starting
automatically when I reboot the system.

The I use startx to start XFree.

Inside X, I try to run XF86Setup and the system
hangs.

I changed the symlink of S99xdm from /dev/null
back to ../init.d/xdm

This makes X start automatically when I reboot
the system.

XF86Setup runs without any problems.

comments? suggestions?

Xucaen

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Re: Packaging Policy.

2001-01-06 Thread Chris Gray
> Joey Hess writes:

jh> Chris Gray wrote:
cp> recall. Now I don't know what the status of the maintainer of
cp> this package is, but what are the Debian policy/ethical issues
cp> involved if I suddenly piped up and said I had [unofficial?]
cp> packages available for this?
>>> 
>>> It's called hijacking a package, and would be unethical unless you
>>> made it very clear that your package is unofficial.

jh> Er, no it's not. It's called putting a deb up in an unofficial
jh> apt repository. People do it all the time, and there is
jh> nothing unethical about it. This is free fortware, remember?

That's why I put "But you have to be a developer to do that." at the
end of my paragraph.  Of course it should be clear that your package
is not official if it's not in the official ftp site, but it is better
to err on the side of safety.  

For example, how about this?

-

I, Chris Gray, have the official wmnetselect package on my apt site, 

http://www.cs.mcgill.ca/~cgray4

-

Since I'm not the maintainer (you are), isn't what I have just done
unethical?  

jh> "hijacking a package" is very bad loaded terminology that
jh> makes some hidden (and IMHO invalid) assumptions about the way
jh> Debian works. More importantly, you need an account on
jh> ftp-master to do it.

You are right about this.  My point was that taking over a package and
calling it official without the maintainer's knowledge is not very
nice.  Since Corey is probably not about to do this, it was probably
not the best language to use.

Cheers,
Chris

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Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:53:33PM +, Mircea Luca wrote:
> Hmm..OK ,let's see if I understood this corectly :
> 
> 
> DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=k6
> export DEBIAN_BUILDARCH
> 
> This should do it for the k6 stuff.

Yes.

> What about the code optimization ( -O3).This doesn't seem to be
> addressed and as I said I don't know perl.

Hmm... The package only changes the -mcpu and -march flags.

I think it's easy to change the script for someone who knows Perl and the
stuff checked there. (I'm not too familiar with those, although I could 
try something and make a .deb)

But the default for dpkg-buildpackage is -O2, why do you want -O3?
The only difference seems to be  -finline-functions

J.

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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Leen Besselink
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   33 Jan  1  1970 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 -> 
> ../ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/cd
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc0 -> 
> ../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc1 -> 
> ../ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/
> lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc2 -> 
> ../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/

Did those people who whine actaully read the above (and ofcourse the
reasons to switch to devfs, instead of that 'hack', although this isn't 
perfect too, it's getting better !) ?



Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Mircea Luca
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:59PM +, Mircea Luca wrote:
> > Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> > > dpkg --print-avail pentium-builder
> > Thanks,that was quick
> >
> > Now since the package doesn't have a man page and I don't read perl
> > will that code read my environment settings or do I have to edit that
> > perl script. ?
> 
> No, you just have to set the DEBIAN_BUILDARCH variable to whatever you
> want (not only pentium), and next time gcc is called it will compile
> for the architecture you want.
> 
> Take a look at /usr/share/doc/pentium-builder/README.Debian
> 
> J.
> 

Hmm..OK ,let's see if I understood this corectly :


DEBIAN_BUILDARCH=k6
export DEBIAN_BUILDARCH

This should do it for the k6 stuff.
What about the code optimization ( -O3).This doesn't seem to be
addressed and as I said I don't know perl.

Thanks



sbpcd mount fails during install

2001-01-06 Thread Hugh Martin
I'm having trouble installing Debian 2.2_11 on a 486
with a SoundBlaster 16 Value card driving a CR-563-B
CD-ROM drive.  I use "sbpcd=0x220,1" for the command
line parameter (the address is 220 when configured
under DOS and works correctly there).  Installation of
the sbpcd driver is successful, but when I try to use
the cd-rom to do the base system installation, the
mount fails.  Help, what am I doing wrong?

Hugh Martin


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Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:59PM +, Mircea Luca wrote:
> Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> > dpkg --print-avail pentium-builder
> Thanks,that was quick
> 
> Now since the package doesn't have a man page and I don't read perl
> will that code read my environment settings or do I have to edit that
> perl script. ?

No, you just have to set the DEBIAN_BUILDARCH variable to whatever you
want (not only pentium), and next time gcc is called it will compile
for the architecture you want.

Take a look at /usr/share/doc/pentium-builder/README.Debian

J.


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Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Mircea Luca
Jeronimo Pellegrini wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:24:01PM +, Mircea Luca wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I'd like to recompile some parts of my install(sid) specific for my
> > system
> > mainly what is set up already in .bash_profile (for both root and user)
> > -
> > #Begin /root/.bash_profile
> > alias ls='ls -a -color'
> > PS1='\u:\w$'
> > TERM=linux
> > CFLAGS="-O3 -march=k6 -mcpu=k6"
> > CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
> > export PS1 TERM CFLAGS CXXFLAGS
> > #EOF
> > ---
> > now any idea how would I tell dpkg-buildpackage about it ?
> > I looked through the manual and the packaging manuals but well I
> > wouldn't post here if I would've find anything.
> > The above settings don't seem to do anything.
> 
> dpkg --print-avail pentium-builder
> 
> :-)
> 
> J.
> 

Thanks,that was quick

Now since the package doesn't have a man page and I don't read perl
will that code read my environment settings or do I have to edit that
perl script. ?



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Phil Brutsche
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:09:54PM +0100, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
> > 2.) boot. fsck will fail. do manual fsck, remount / rw, edit /etc/fstab:
> > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /boot ext2 defaults  0   2
> > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 none swap sw 0   > > 0
> > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 / ext2 defaults  0   
> > 1
> > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /local ext2 defaults 0   2
> > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/tagret1/lun0/cd /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto
>
> all i can say is if this hideous thing is ever forced down our throats
> i will switch to another OS.

Note that the names under /dev/ are administrator configurable.

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Re: CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:24:01PM +, Mircea Luca wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'd like to recompile some parts of my install(sid) specific for my
> system
> mainly what is set up already in .bash_profile (for both root and user) 
> -
> #Begin /root/.bash_profile
> alias ls='ls -a -color'
> PS1='\u:\w$'
> TERM=linux
> CFLAGS="-O3 -march=k6 -mcpu=k6"
> CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
> export PS1 TERM CFLAGS CXXFLAGS
> #EOF
> ---
> now any idea how would I tell dpkg-buildpackage about it ?
> I looked through the manual and the packaging manuals but well I
> wouldn't post here if I would've find anything.
> The above settings don't seem to do anything.

dpkg --print-avail pentium-builder

:-)

J.


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Re: kernel 2.4.0 and audio cd

2001-01-06 Thread Hall Stevenson
* Anthony Fox ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010106 16:26]:

> After compiling and running a 2.4.0 kernel, I can no longer play
> audio cds.  I can mount data cds just fine, but not audio cds.  If I
> try to mount an audio cd I get the following error:

You don't mount audio CDs. Just stick 'em in and play...

Regards
Hall Stevenson



CPU optimization

2001-01-06 Thread Mircea Luca
Hi

I'd like to recompile some parts of my install(sid) specific for my
system
mainly what is set up already in .bash_profile (for both root and user) 
-
#Begin /root/.bash_profile
alias ls='ls -a -color'
PS1='\u:\w$'
TERM=linux
CFLAGS="-O3 -march=k6 -mcpu=k6"
CXXFLAGS=$CFLAGS
export PS1 TERM CFLAGS CXXFLAGS
#EOF
---
now any idea how would I tell dpkg-buildpackage about it ?
I looked through the manual and the packaging manuals but well I
wouldn't post here if I would've find anything.
The above settings don't seem to do anything.

Thanks



Re: FrameBuffer and XF86

2001-01-06 Thread Tommy Wu

"Jason Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> well, i can tell you that is one of the problems for sure.  you need to post
> the rest of your xfconfig file for us though.  maybe somebody will see
> something else.
> 

= my XF86config ==
# File generated by anXious - the Debian X Configuration Tool
# anXious and xviddetect are (c) 2000 Randolph Chung <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

# Suggestions and bug reports about this tool should be sent to
# [EMAIL PROTECTED]

# ***
# Refer to the XF86Config(4/5) man page for details about the format of
# this file. A more thoroughly commented version of this configuration
# file can be found in /usr/share/doc/xserver-common/examples/XF86Config.eg
# ***

Section "Files"
RgbPath "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/"
FontPath"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/freefont/"
FontPath"/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/sharefont/"
ModulePath  "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
EndSection

Section "Module"
#
# This loads the module for XIE, the X Image Extension
#  Load "xie.so"
#
# This loads the module for the Joystick driver
# Load "xf86Jstk.so"
EndSection

Section "ServerFlags"
#   NoTrapSignals
#   DontZap
#   DontZoom
#   DisableVidModeExtension
#   AllowNonLocalXvidtune
#   DiableModInDev
#   AllowNonLocalModInDev
EndSection

Section "Keyboard"
Protocol "Standard"
# To disable the XKEYBOARD extension, uncomment XkbDisable.
 XkbDisable

# To customise the XKB settings to suit your keyboard, modify the
# lines below (which are the defaults).  For example, for a non-U.S.
# keyboard, you will probably want to use:
#XkbModel"pc102"
# If you have a US Microsoft Natural keyboard, you can use:
#XkbModel"microsoft"
#
# Then to change the language, change the Layout setting.
# For example, a german layout can be obtained with:
#XkbLayout   "de"
# or:
#XkbLayout   "de"
#XkbVariant  "nodeadkeys"
# if you'd like to switch the positions of your capslock and
# control keys, use:
#XkbOptions  "ctrl:swapcaps"

# These are the default XKB settings for XFree86
#XkbRules"xfree86"
#XkbModel"pc101"
#XkbLayout   "us"
#XkbVariant  ""
#XkbOptions  ""

XkbKeymap "xfree86(en_US)"

EndSection

Section "Pointer"
Protocol "Microsoft"
Device "/dev/gpmdata"
Emulate3Buttons  
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
Identifier  "MultiSync Monitor"
VendorName  "Mistu"
ModelName   "17 inch."

HorizSync 31.5-64.3
VertRefresh 50-110

# This is a set of standard mode timings. Modes that are out of monitor spec
# are automatically deleted by the server (provided the HorizSync and
# VertRefresh lines are correct), so there's no immediate need to
# delete mode timings (unless particular mode timings don't work on your
# monitor). With these modes, the best standard mode that your monitor
# and video card can support for a given resolution is automatically
# used.

Mode "1024x768"
# D: 78.933 MHz, H: 60.162 kHz, V: 75.203 Hz
DotClock 78.934
HTimings 1024 1040 1136 1312
VTimings 768 769 772 800
Flags"+HSync" "+VSync"
EndMode

EndSection

Section "Device"
Identifier "Linux Frame Buffer Device"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
Driver "FBDev"
Device "Linux Frame Buffer Device"
Monitor "MultiSync Monitor"
DefaultColorDepth 32
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "default"
EndSubSection
EndSection



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Re: Some refreshing news

2001-01-06 Thread Ray Percival
Wine works well with some of them use the cvs builds.


-- Original Message --
From: "Gary Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Sat, 6 Jan 2001 17:08:48 +0100

>On 5 Jan 2001, you wrote:
>
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>
>> > upgraded my motherboard and CPU last night (from a Pentium 75 to a
>> > Celeron 500).  The system is a dual boot system (Debian Linux, and
>> > Windows 95).  I have been unable to boot into Windows (lots of errors,
>> > graphics look horrible, and finally kills me with a fatal error), but I
>> > have had no problems with getting back into Linux!  I will have to
>> > reinstall Windows to see if I can get it working again (if they had kids
>> > learning games for Linux I would get rid of Windows entirely, but until
>> > then I am stuck with it)
>
>Wine? vmware?
>
>> create a debian boot-disk before you reinstall windows; windows will clear
>> the MBR (master boot record) during installation.
>
>Indeed. Obviously you wouldn't possibly want to have any other OS on 
>your 'puter as well.
>
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Re: Packaging Policy.

2001-01-06 Thread Joey Hess
Chris Gray wrote:
> cp> recall. Now I don't know what the status of the maintainer of
> cp> this package is, but what are the Debian policy/ethical issues
> cp> involved if I suddenly piped up and said I had [unofficial?]
> cp> packages available for this?
> 
> It's called hijacking a package, and would be unethical unless you
> made it very clear that your package is unofficial.

Er, no it's not. It's called putting a deb up in an unofficial apt
repository. People do it all the time, and there is nothing unethical
about it. This is free fortware, remember?

"hijacking a package" is very bad loaded terminology that makes some
hidden (and IMHO invalid) assumptions about the way Debian works. More
importantly, you need an account on ftp-master to do it.

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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread John Hasler
Ethan Benson writes:
> don't force your preferences on others.  you like devfs use it, don't
> force me to do the same.

You are free to fork your own version of Debian and/or the Linux kernel
whenever you see fit.
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RE: FrameBuffer and XF86

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
well, i can tell you that is one of the problems for sure.  you need to post
the rest of your xfconfig file for us though.  maybe somebody will see
something else.

Jason

> -Original Message-
> From: Tommy Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Saturday, January 06, 2001 7:51 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Cc: 'Debian User'
> Subject: Re: FrameBuffer and XF86
>
>
> "Jason Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > > SubSection "Display"
> > > Depth 32
> > > Modes "default"
> > > Virtual 1024 768
> > > EndSubSection
> > > EndSection
> > Take the Virtual line out
>
>   I've tried this. There is no different for me. They still
> be a large virtual screen.
>
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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# So if you have a problem with something, talk to the authors. Spewing
# bile across the lists of an unrelated project is just going to be
# conterproductive for you in the long run.

I apologize for my part in this argument. It really upsets me to see
this, and I should have taken it off-list.

Sorry for the inconvenience(sp?),

Dave



Re: FrameBuffer and XF86

2001-01-06 Thread Tommy Wu
"Jason Holland" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > SubSection "Display"
> > Depth 32
> > Modes "default"
> > Virtual 1024 768
> > EndSubSection
> > EndSection
> Take the Virtual line out

  I've tried this. There is no different for me. They still be a large virtual 
screen.

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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Joey Hess
Ethan Benson wrote:
> i have heard all the arguments for devfs (long ago on linux-kernel) i
> still don't want it.  i just want the option to leave it off is that
> so much to ask?

I'm puzzled. You're saying you are a subscriber to linux-kernel. So why
are you posting your drivel *here*?

The users of Debian can do nothing about whether the linux kernel
continues to offer the option of not using devfs.

The developers of Debian will do nothing about whether the linux kernel
continues to offer the option of not using devfs.

All you are managing to do is piss off Debian users and developers who 
have better things to do than listen to you bitch and moan about a 
hypothetical that is outside their control anyway. If I see another 
message from you on this thread that is substantially the same as the
9 you just posted, then I will probably killfile you. That would be a 
pity, if at some time in the future you had a legitimate problem with part
of Debian which I am responsible for, and were unable to communicate it
to me.

So if you have a problem with something, talk to the authors. Spewing
bile across the lists of an unrelated project is just going to be
conterproductive for you in the long run.

-- 
see shy jo



RE: FrameBuffer and XF86

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
> SubSection "Display"
> Depth 32
> Modes "default"
> Virtual 1024 768
> EndSubSection
> EndSection

Take the Virtual line out

Jason



FrameBuffer and XF86

2001-01-06 Thread Tommy Wu
Hi!

   Does anyone know how to change the XWindow resolution for FBDev server ?
   I'm using a Permedia2 for framebuffer. It's work fine. But when I startup 
KDE2
   with kdm (XF86 3.3.6), the desktop resolution is very very large virtual 
screen.
   
   Could I set the resoltion to a 1024x768 size, not for a large virtual screen.
   
   my XF86config is
 
 ; 
 Mode "1024x768"
 # D: 78.933 MHz, H: 60.162 kHz, V: 75.203 Hz
 DotClock 78.934
HTimings 1024 1040 1136 1312
VTimings 768 769 772 800
Flags"+HSync" "+VSync"
EndMode

Section "Screen"
Driver "FBDev"
Device "Linux Frame Buffer Device"
Monitor "MultiSync Monitor"
DefaultColorDepth 32
SubSection "Display"
Depth 32
Modes "default"
Virtual 1024 768
EndSubSection
EndSection

 ; 

   I;ve tried to change the Modes to "1024x768", but it is not work.
   
   Any suggestion for this ?
   
-- 

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Re: Parallel Printer Port Problem

2001-01-06 Thread Jeffrey S. Coppock
Okay, here's where I'm at:

I checked the permissions of the log directories and files and the files are 
all set to 0660.

LPR is setuid root [I used 'find / -perm -4000 -print' to check ]

I tried 'lpr -D 1 ' and got this:

bash$ lpr -D 1 dell_specs.txt
2001-01-06-17:29:32.042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  Get_printer: original 
printer ''
2001-01-06-17:29:32.042 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  
Get_all_printcap_entries: starting
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  
Get_all_printcap_entries: starting
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  Select_pc_info: looking 
for 'all', depth 0
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  Select_pc_info: 
returning ''
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  Dump_line_list: 
Get_all_printcap_entries- All_line_list - 0x8080a24, count 1, max 102, list 
0x8084270
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr[ 0] 0x8083390 ='lp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Get_printer: final 
printer 'lp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Fix_Rm_Rp_info: 
printer name 'lp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Select_pc_info: 
looking for 'lp', depth 0
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Select_pc_info: 
found name 'lp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Select_pc_info: 
returning 'lp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Fix_Rm_Rp_info: 
Printer 'lp', Queue 'lp', Lp '/dev/lp0', Rp 'lp', Rh 'localhost'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Make_job: before 
checking format ''
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Make_job: after 
checking format 'f'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.043 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: Make_job: 'qq' flag 
0, queue 'lp', force_queuename ''
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp: *** Job Send_job- 
starting *** - 0xb83c
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:  info - 0xb83c, 
count 13, max 102, list 0x8084678
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 0] 0x8083c08 
='bnrname=jcoppock'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 1] 0x8085638 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Pjcoppock
Jdell_specs.txt
CA
Ljcoppock
[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shastanets+397
D2001-01-06-17:29:32.043
Qlp
Ndell_specs.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 2] 0x8083be0 
='class=A'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 3] 0x8083e30 
='copies=0x1'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 4] 0x80853d0 
='datalines=Ndell_specs.txt
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 5] 0x80849f8 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 6] 0x8083c48 
='format=f'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 7] 0x8084a28 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 8] 0x80852e8 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shastanets+397'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 9] 0x8083c28 
='jobname=dell_specs.txt'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [10] 0x8084b40 
='number=397'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [11] 0x8083bd0 
='priority=A'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [12] 0x80852b8 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:  jobfile - 
0xb848, count 8, max 101, list 0x8084de8
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 0] 0x80849d8 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 1] 0x8084a68 
='Pjcoppock'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 2] 0x8084a50 
='Jdell_specs.txt'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 3] 0x80849c8 
='CA'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.044 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 4] 0x8083bf0 
='Ljcoppock'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 5] 0x8084b50 
='[EMAIL PROTECTED]@shastanets+397'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 6] 0x8084a88 
='D2001-01-06-17:29:32.043'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 7] 0x80849b8 
='Qlp'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   datafiles - count 1
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:datafile[0] - 
0x8084a78, count 6, max 102, list 0x8085118
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 0] 0x8084b00 
='copies=0x1'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 1] 0x8084b20 
='format=f'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 2] 0x8084ae8 
='N=dell_specs.txt'
2001-01-06-17:29:32.218 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [13397] lpr  lp:   [ 3] 0x8084aa8 
='openname=dell_specs.txt'
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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 12:03:54PM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> 
> My understanding is that chown/chgrp/chmod will work fine without
> devfsd.

as long as you never reboot.  i don't reboot often, but i have to do
it from time to time.

i have heard all the arguments for devfs (long ago on linux-kernel) i
still don't want it.  i just want the option to leave it off is that
so much to ask?

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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Re: useradd problem(!)

2001-01-06 Thread Sven Burgener
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 05:44:04PM +, Malcolm Parsons wrote:
> useradd and adduser are two different programs from two different pacakges,
> the configuration of one does not affect the other:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/useradd
> passwd: /usr/sbin/useradd
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ dpkg -S /usr/sbin/adduser   
> adduser: /usr/sbin/adduser

Yes, quite true. I got them mixed up. All my fault. :)

Cheers,
Sven



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:46:53PM -0500, David B. Harris wrote:
# > You might want to consider changing your attitude a bit. These
people
# 
# oh i want choice, my attitude is clearly flawed afterall if i did not
# want choice i would still be letting MS or Apple tell me what to do.  

Yes, your attitude *is* clearly flawed. Whether or not you get a choice
is irrelevant. These people put their blood and sweat into something
which you directly benefit from(which no recompensation for you, either,
I bet). And you have the *gall* to demand ANYTHING?

That's the flaw. Not that you want choice - but that you demand it from
people who have done nothing but work for you, for free.

Dave



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Brian May
> "Ethan" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ethan> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:16PM -0600, Jason Holland
Ethan> wrote:
>> Devfs has a compatibility mode which can be turned on.  it
>> enables the old device paths, like /dev/hda4, to coexist with
>> the new paths, though mount will report the new path.

Ethan> it does that though a kludge daemon.  the same kludge
Ethan> required to allow chown/chgrp/chmod to work.

My understanding is that chown/chgrp/chmod will work fine without
devfsd.


My understanding is devfs can do these tasks:

1. register compatibility links.

2. Setup default permissions of devices as they are created.

3. Automatically load kernel modules as required if required device
does not exist.


It is not required for devfs support, as other methods could be used
instead. It is the method recommended by the author though.
-- 
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 11:52:17AM +1100, Brian May wrote:
> 
> Have a look at Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README, with the Linux
> kernel (at least 2.4.0test10) - there are a number of good reasons for
> why devfs is required, mentioned there. I recommend anyone interested
> in devfs should read this first before posting to this thread.

i have read that and other documents on devfs, i still don't buy it
and i still don't want it.  and devfs is certainly *NOT* required.  i
just hope it stays that way.

-- 
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http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 12:51:58AM +, Pollywog wrote:
> I am confused.Is there some stuff I need to read in order to
> prepare for this change in my favorite OS?
> Just tell me what I need to read and I will get right on it.  If I
> have to migrate, I need a map :)

you don't need to migrate to this atrocity, i have been running a
2.4.0 kernel on one of my machines for a bit now with*out* devfs and
it works quite fine.  i just want to to *stay that way*

-- 
Ethan Benson
http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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ldap, ldap everywhere

2001-01-06 Thread Known Human Nick Rusnov

Hi.

I'm going to be running a moderately sized network, and I was wondering how
difficult it would be to setup ldap as teh authentication for it?

How integrated are various utilities into ldap? I read that adduser doesn't
support ldap, so should a script that uses adduser to create the user, then
copies the user into ldap be used?

Anyone have any experience with this?

as always,
nick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] * http://www.fargus.net/nick
Developer - Systems Engineer - Mad System Guru - MOO Sales
He picks up scraps of information/He's adept at adaptation
Because for strangers and arrangers/Constant change is here to stay



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:46:53PM -0500, David B. Harris wrote:
> You might want to consider changing your attitude a bit. These people

oh i want choice, my attitude is clearly flawed afterall if i did not
want choice i would still be letting MS or Apple tell me what to do.  

-- 
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http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:50:52PM -0600, Jason Holland wrote:
> 
> haha!  i happen to agree that the path names are ridiculous.  however, i'd

they certainly are rediculous.

> rather have a 100 devices to look through, than 5000 without devfs turned
> on.  isn't it nice to have a choice?

yes its great to have a *choice* and i *LIKE* having 1200 devices in
/dev (5000 is simply not true, i counted 4 systems here and none
exceed 1200 which is just fine, 5000 would not bother me a bit either)

choice is a good thing, if i did not want choice i would be using
Windows or MacOS. 

-- 
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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Brian May
> "Ethan" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Ethan> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed
Ethan> wrote:
>> I have one question regarding devfs: does it offer any
>> performance improvements over the traditional non-devfs setup,
>> or is devfs simply a 'structural' change ?

Ethan> i fail to see how typing:

Ethan> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1

Ethan> instead of /dev/hda1 or /dev/wd0a whenever i need to do
Ethan> anything related to raw devices is a performance

Have a look at Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README, with the Linux
kernel (at least 2.4.0test10) - there are a number of good reasons for
why devfs is required, mentioned there. I recommend anyone interested
in devfs should read this first before posting to this thread.

Also, yes, the first one *could* be a performance gain, because:

"There is an important difference between the way disc-based character
and block nodes and devfs entries make the connection between an entry
in /dev and the actual device driver.

With the current 8 bit major and minor numbers the connection between
disc-based c&b nodes and per-major drivers is done through a
fixed-length table of 128 entries. The various filesystem types set
the inode operations for c&b nodes to {chr,blk}dev_inode_operations,
so when a device is opened a few quick levels of indirection bring us
to the driver file_operations.

For miscellaneous character devices a second step is required: there
is a scan for the driver entry with the same minor number as the file
that was opened, and the appropriate minor open method is called. This
scanning is done *every time* you open a device node. Potentially, you
may be searching through dozens of misc. entries before you find your
open method. While not an enormous performance overhead, this does
seem pointless.

[...]

Note thate devfs doesn't use the major&minor system. For devfs
entries, the connection is done when you lookup the /dev entry. When
devfs_register() is called, an internal table is appended which has
the entry name and the file_operations. If the dentry cache doesn't
have the /dev entry already, this internal table is scanned to get the
file_operations, and an inode is created. If the dentry cache already
has the entry, there is *no lookup time* (other than the dentry scan
itself, but we can't avoid that anyway, and besides Linux dentries
cream other OS's which don't have them:-). Furthermore, the number of
node entries in a devfs is only the number of available device
entries, not the number of *conceivable* entries. Even if you remove
unnecessary entries in a disc-based /dev, the number of conceivable
entries remains the same: you just limit yourself in order to save
space."

Ethan> improvment.  nor is writing huge kludgy initscripts or
Ethan> bloated daemons just so i can do:

I also disagree with this statement, too.
-- 
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Pollywog
I am confused.  Is there some stuff I need to read in order to
prepare for this change in my favorite OS?
Just tell me what I need to read and I will get right on it.  If I
have to migrate, I need a map :)

--
Andrew

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 15:46:13 -0900, Ethan Benson said:

> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:16PM -0600, Jason Holland wrote:
>  > Devfs has a compatibility mode which can be turned on.  it enables the old
>  > device paths, like /dev/hda4, to coexist with the new paths, though mount
>  > will report the new path.
>  
>  it does that though a kludge daemon.  the same kludge required to
>  allow chown/chgrp/chmod to work.
>  
>  that is unacceptable,  the only acceptable option is to allow:
>  
>  CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=n



Re: 2.4.0 and 3com 905c

2001-01-06 Thread Henrique M Holschuh
> > > i've been using stock kernel 2.2.17 that came with potato.  it
> > > recognized my 3com nic (as 3com 3c905c) and works wonderfully.

3c905cx are broken in 2.4.0, but earlier models (such as my 3c905b PCI card)
work just fine.

A patch to fix the issue with the 3c905cx was sent to the linux-kernel list
yesterday and will be included in 2.4.1. You might try to fetch the patch
from the linux-kernel archives if you're in a hurry to try 2.4.0 out.

-- 
  "One disk to rule them all, One disk to find them. One disk to bring
  them all and in the darkness grind them. In the Land of Redmond
  where the shadows lie." -- The Silicon Valley Tarot
  Henrique Holschuh


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RE: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
>
>
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:16PM -0600, Jason Holland wrote:
> > Devfs has a compatibility mode which can be turned on.  it
> enables the old
> > device paths, like /dev/hda4, to coexist with the new
> paths, though mount
> > will report the new path.
>
> it does that though a kludge daemon.  the same kludge required to
> allow chown/chgrp/chmod to work.
>
> that is unacceptable,  the only acceptable option is to allow:
>
> CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=n
>

haha!  i happen to agree that the path names are ridiculous.  however, i'd
rather have a 100 devices to look through, than 5000 without devfs turned
on.  isn't it nice to have a choice?

Jason



xemacs alt-del kiss of death

2001-01-06 Thread debian
does anyone else see this problem?

within an 'xterm', run 'emacs -nw', then type meta-. it
always suspends my xterm and gives me the command prompt:


[1]+  Stopped xemacs -nw
%

however, typing fg puts xemacs into a weird mode that makes it
unusable. i can't seem to remap the meta-
combination. that key combination only has problems like this with
xemacs, as far as i know. finally, i can't keep hitting it - my
brain's got it hard-wired.

can anyone offer any advice? i'd like to stick w/ the xemacs and vm
combo for email, but not at the expense of zombie'ing my session all
the time.

thanks.

jae



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:38:16PM -0600, Jason Holland wrote:
> Devfs has a compatibility mode which can be turned on.  it enables the old
> device paths, like /dev/hda4, to coexist with the new paths, though mount
> will report the new path.

it does that though a kludge daemon.  the same kludge required to
allow chown/chgrp/chmod to work.

that is unacceptable,  the only acceptable option is to allow:

CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=n

-- 
Ethan Benson
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Re: W sprawie ISO

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote "MichaÂł Rymaszewski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# Czesc
# Chcialem sie dowiedziec skad mozna sciagnac najnowsza dystrybucje
Debiana w wersji stable w formacie ISO 
# 
# Z gory serdeczne dzieki za pomoc

http://cdimage.debian.org 

That'll help you out :)

Dave



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# i fail to see how typing:
# 
# /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
# 
# instead of /dev/hda1 or /dev/wd0a whenever i need to do anything
# related to raw devices is a performance improvment.  nor is writing
# huge kludgy initscripts or bloated daemons just so i can do:

He didn't say that it was a performance improvement. He was asking. No
need act like it was a personal attack.

# anyway thats just my rant on the subject, if you like devfs use it,
# but leave it an OPTION so i can leave it off.  (and not an `option'
# like proc has become where you have the option to turn off and have a
# useless broken system)

You might want to consider changing your attitude a bit. These people
are putting in how much time for free? If devfs becomes one of those
"must-have for a useable system" options, then put your effort where
your mouth is and work on the code.

Show some gratitude. Say, every now and then, "Thank you Linus, you've
given me a Free Unix-close which I use." That's not so hard, is it?

Dave



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 07:21:11PM -0500, David B. Harris wrote:
> To quote Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> # > 2.) boot. fsck will fail. do manual fsck, remount / rw, edit
> /etc/fstab:
> # > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /boot ext2 defaults0   
> 2
> # > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 none swap sw   0   > 0
> # > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 / ext2 defaults0   
> 1
> # > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /local ext2 defaults   0   
> 2
> # > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/tagret1/lun0/cd /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto
> #
> # all i can say is if this hideous thing is ever forced down our throats
> # i will switch to another OS.  
> 
> Don't let the door hit you on the way out :)

very funny, im sure you would like it if someone FORCED you to use
*only* KDE or *only* gnome.  the Free software movement is about
freedom and choices and *options*  i should have the *option* to turn
that `feature' off.  

don't force your preferences on others.  you like devfs use it, don't
force me to do the same.  

as soon as there is no longer any choices or options in GNU/Linux is
it no better for me then Windows.  

-- 
Ethan Benson
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Re: Packaging Policy.

2001-01-06 Thread Colin Watson
Corey Popelier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>My issue is this, 5.5.3 is actually about 5 or 6 versions behind the
>times. It was from about Sept last year if I recall. Now I don't know what
>the status of the maintainer of this package is, but what are the Debian
>policy/ethical issues involved if I suddenly piped up and said I had
>[unofficial?] packages available for this?

For an unofficial package, and one which isn't being well-maintained in
Debian, I think it's perfectly reasonable to make available newer or
better versions, as long as you feed the improvements back up the chain
in case the Debian maintainer ever wakes up. In the case of a newer
upstream version, of course, that's really already been done.

The normal bounds of politeness apply, of course; I wouldn't trumpet my
unofficial package around as the One True Package, and it would take
quite a lot for me to decide to fork a package that was being actively
maintained. Mind you, forking is an established tradition in free
software; it wouldn't be the first time that somebody had decided to
fork a project that seemed to be going nowhere or in a direction they
didn't like (see gcc, the BSDs, dpkg, and even upstream fetchmail
itself).

Debian is a sufficiently close-knit project that it's considered good to
keep forking to a minimum to stop things getting silly, and taking over
packages in the archive itself is something to take very seriously (see
the Developer's Reference, section 9.5). But making things better for
other people is a good thing, and since your intentions are obviously
good a little unobtrusive repackaging wouldn't hurt anybody.

>Would anyone hunt me down with a sizable knife if I ever [unofficially]
>packaged something that appeared to be a tad outdated? :)

I doubt it. The people being bitten by the same bug would probably thank
you. :) If the maintainer appears totally unresponsive for several
months, you could ask on debian-devel for somebody to adopt the package,
or become a developer and do so yourself.

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RE: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
Devfs has a compatibility mode which can be turned on.  it enables the old
device paths, like /dev/hda4, to coexist with the new paths, though mount
will report the new path.

Jason

>
>
> On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote:
> >
> > I have one question regarding devfs: does it offer any performance
> > improvements over the traditional non-devfs setup, or is
> devfs simply a
> > 'structural' change ?
>
> i fail to see how typing:
>
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
>
> instead of /dev/hda1 or /dev/wd0a whenever i need to do anything
> related to raw devices is a performance improvment.  nor is writing
> huge kludgy initscripts or bloated daemons just so i can do:
>
> chgrp wheel /dev/somedevice
> chmod 660 /dev/somedevice
>
> and have it stick.  (past reboots)
>
> as for anyone attempting to make the silly claim that /dev has
> thousands of devices and thus incurs the evil ext2fs directory
> slowness ask them why they are not turning /usr/bin into a fake
> filesystem.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /dev | wc -l
>1222
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /usr/bin | wc -l
>2109
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$
>
> the only directory on my system which i can even percieve the
> slightest slowdown is /var/lib/dpkg/info, and even then its hardly
> noticable nor anything to cry about:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l
>5289
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$
>
> better solutions to ext2 directory performance is fix the filesystem,
> reiserfs does not have this problem and i think ext3 does not either.
>
> the only other argument i ever hear is whining about device files with
> no corrosponding device, well i could care less. if i will never will
> have the device and it bothers me THAT much rm -f /dev/somedevice*.
> otherwise its nice to know exactly what permissions some hardware will
> have before installing it.  /dev is not a database of what hardware is
> installed, that belongs to /sbin/lspci and /proc (though proc is a
> hideous mess, everything except processes should have been moved to
> /kern long ago)
>
> anyway thats just my rant on the subject, if you like devfs use it,
> but leave it an OPTION so i can leave it off.  (and not an `option'
> like proc has become where you have the option to turn off and have a
> useless broken system)
>
> --
> Ethan Benson
> http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/
>



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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 01:34:07PM -0500, S.Salman Ahmed wrote:
> 
> I have one question regarding devfs: does it offer any performance
> improvements over the traditional non-devfs setup, or is devfs simply a
> 'structural' change ?

i fail to see how typing:

/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1

instead of /dev/hda1 or /dev/wd0a whenever i need to do anything
related to raw devices is a performance improvment.  nor is writing
huge kludgy initscripts or bloated daemons just so i can do:

chgrp wheel /dev/somedevice
chmod 660 /dev/somedevice 

and have it stick.  (past reboots)

as for anyone attempting to make the silly claim that /dev has
thousands of devices and thus incurs the evil ext2fs directory
slowness ask them why they are not turning /usr/bin into a fake
filesystem.  

[EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /dev | wc -l
   1222
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /usr/bin | wc -l
   2109
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$

the only directory on my system which i can even percieve the
slightest slowdown is /var/lib/dpkg/info, and even then its hardly
noticable nor anything to cry about:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$ ls -1 /var/lib/dpkg/info | wc -l
   5289
[EMAIL PROTECTED] eb]$

better solutions to ext2 directory performance is fix the filesystem,
reiserfs does not have this problem and i think ext3 does not either. 

the only other argument i ever hear is whining about device files with
no corrosponding device, well i could care less. if i will never will
have the device and it bothers me THAT much rm -f /dev/somedevice*. 
otherwise its nice to know exactly what permissions some hardware will
have before installing it.  /dev is not a database of what hardware is
installed, that belongs to /sbin/lspci and /proc (though proc is a
hideous mess, everything except processes should have been moved to
/kern long ago)

anyway thats just my rant on the subject, if you like devfs use it,
but leave it an OPTION so i can leave it off.  (and not an `option'
like proc has become where you have the option to turn off and have a
useless broken system)

-- 
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http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/


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RE: 2.4.0 and 3com 905c

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
> A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...
>
> > i've been using stock kernel 2.2.17 that came with potato.  it
> > recognized my 3com nic (as 3com 3c905c) and works wonderfully.
> >
> > i would like to ungrade to kernel 2.4.0 (now that it's stable).
> > after rebooting a custom 2.4.0, i can't seem to get the nic
> recognized
> > by the kernel.  in the recompile, i specified 3com (and the 900
> > series).
> >
> > does anyone know how i can get the 3com nic (that 2.2.17 sees as
> > 3c905c) to be recognized by 2.4.0?
>
> 2.4.0 has known problems with 3com PCI ethernet cards.  I
> think there are
> patches available, but I don't know where.
>
> The 3c59x driver in 2.4.0-test11 works great through - maybe you could
> drop that in and see what you get.
>
> Beyond that your options are:
>  * stick with 2.2.x
>  * wait for 2.4.1
>

I've had no problems with the 2.4 series and my 3com cards (3c900 and
3c509b).  Perhaps you have an IRQ or IO conflict.

Jason



RE: emu10k1 module

2001-01-06 Thread Jason Holland
Anthony,

In /etc/modules.conf

alias sound emu10k1

should do the trick.  

Jason

> 
> I have auto module loading compiled into my kernel.  How do I
> specify that when an application attempts to access the sound
> hardware that the kernel should install the emu10k1 module into the
> running kernel?  Right now, the kernel installs the soundcore module
> only.
> 
> Thanks,
> Anthony
> 
> 
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Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Brian May
> "Andreas" == Andreas Jellinghaus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andreas> 2.) boot. fsck will fail. do manual fsck, remount / rw,
Andreas> edit /etc/fstab: /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
Andreas> /boot ext2 defaults 0 2
Andreas> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 none swap sw 0 0
Andreas> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 / ext2 defaults 0
Andreas> 1 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /local ext2
Andreas> defaults 0 2 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/tagret1/lun0/cd /cdrom
Andreas> iso9660 ro,user,noauto

This seems to be overly complex, even for devfs. Or is the
documentation found in
linux-2.4.0-test10/Documentation/filesystems/devfs/README out-of-date
or wrong?

Disc Devices

All discs, whether SCSI, IDE or whatever, are placed under the
/dev/discs hierarchy:

/dev/discs/disc0first disc
/dev/discs/disc1second disc


Each of these entries is a symbolic link to the directory for that
device. The device directory contains:

discfor the whole disc
part*   for individual partitions


CD-ROM Devices

All CD-ROMs, whether SCSI, IDE or whatever, are placed under the
/dev/cdroms hierarchy:

/dev/cdroms/cdrom0  first CD-ROM
/dev/cdroms/cdrom1  second CD-ROM


Each of these entries is a symbolic link to the real device entry for
that device.

So, on my system, I have:

lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   33 Jan  1  1970 /dev/cdroms/cdrom0 -> 
../ide/host0/bus1/target1/lun0/cd
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc0 -> 
../ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc1 -> 
../ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/
lr-xr-xr-x1 root root   30 Jan  1  1970 /dev/discs/disc2 -> 
../ide/host0/bus1/target0/lun0/

IMHO using the value on the left is much more straight forward then
using the value on the right.
-- 
Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# > 2.) boot. fsck will fail. do manual fsck, remount / rw, edit
/etc/fstab:
# > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /boot ext2 defaults  0   2
# > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 none swap sw 0   0
# > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 / ext2 defaults  0   
1
# > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /local ext2 defaults 0   2
# > /dev/ide/host0/bus0/tagret1/lun0/cd /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto
#
# all i can say is if this hideous thing is ever forced down our throats
# i will switch to another OS.  

Don't let the door hit you on the way out :)

Dave



Re: [2.4.0] migration to devfs

2001-01-06 Thread Ethan Benson
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 06:09:54PM +0100, Andreas Jellinghaus wrote:
> 2.) boot. fsck will fail. do manual fsck, remount / rw, edit /etc/fstab:
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1 /boot ext2 defaults0   2
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part2 none swap sw   0   > 0
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5 / ext2 defaults0   
> 1
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6 /local ext2 defaults   0   2
> /dev/ide/host0/bus0/tagret1/lun0/cd /cdrom iso9660 ro,user,noauto

all i can say is if this hideous thing is ever forced down our throats
i will switch to another OS.  

> 1.) compile a 2.4.* kernel with
> CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=y

i'll take CONFIG_DEVFS_FS=n thank you.  

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Re: netscape v4.76 libc problem

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 03:48:44PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:
> Hi all!
> I need some advice. I am running Debian v2.2r2,
> XFREE v3.3.6, I just installed Netscape v4.76.
> The installation was successful. But when I try
> to run netscape I get an error concerning libc.
> The README says there is a known incompatibility
> with Netscape and libc and to go to
> http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC to download
> the appropriate libc.
> 
> I'm wondering if maybe I should just install an
> earlier version of netscape? Or should I install
> a new version of libc and if so, which one?
> 
> here is a screen print of my error message when I
> try to run netscape:
> 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ls
> 
> LICENSE   XKeysymDB   libnullplugin-dynMotif.so 
> netscape-dynMotif  vregNetscape.ad 
> bookmark.htm  nethelp   plugins  README  java 
> netscape   registry
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ./netscape
> 
> ./netscape: error in loading shared libraries:
> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared
> object file: No such file or directory 
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$
> 
> 
> 
> I installed netscape as root using the ns-install
> script that came with netscape.

Why not use the Debian package?  Version 4.76 is available for "stable"
and will handle these silly differences in library naming.

-- 
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Re: Package pools and Japanese Debian problems

2001-01-06 Thread Colin Watson
Neil Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I use Japanese Debian, and ever since pools were introduced I've not
>been able to update many packages at all without download errors,

It looks like ftp.debian.or.jp/debian-jp/ is badly broken; it doesn't
know about package pools. I expect it will get progressively more broken
as time goes on and more packages from the pool move into woody. If the
admins of that machine don't know, they need to fix it (symlinking
/debian-jp/pool to /debian/pool might do for now? I don't know how
debian-jp operates).

On the other hand, ftp.debian.or.jp/debian/ looks fine.

>and new revisions seem to be far less frequent.

Yes, that's because you're running woody, which is now testing, not
unstable. debian-jp doesn't seem to have caught up with this either, so
their mirroring may well be going wrong.

Cheers,

-- 
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Re: SRC-install

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
:: Matthias Wieser writes:

>> apt-get -b install package

> I wanted to use dselect, does it support it? ( I could not choose any
> package that was available in source)
> Or is there another frontend, that does support the feature, apt-get
> has?

I don't think any of them do that... But I could be wrong. I don't
usually do taht automatically (I usually get the sources and compile
later). 

J.

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Re: SRC-install

2001-01-06 Thread Matthias Wieser

> apt-get -b install package

I wanted to use dselect, does it support it? ( I could not choose any
package that was available in source)
Or is there another frontend, that does support the feature, apt-get
has?

(I wanted to install everything while I am somewhere) (thus it would be
convinient to have a tool to install everyting by itself.)

Thank you for the fast answer before :-)

Ciao, Matthias Wieser

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netscape v4.76 libc problem

2001-01-06 Thread Xucaen
Hi all!
I need some advice. I am running Debian v2.2r2,
XFREE v3.3.6, I just installed Netscape v4.76.
The installation was successful. But when I try
to run netscape I get an error concerning libc.
The README says there is a known incompatibility
with Netscape and libc and to go to
http://sunsite.unc.edu/pub/Linux/GCC to download
the appropriate libc.

I'm wondering if maybe I should just install an
earlier version of netscape? Or should I install
a new version of libc and if so, which one?

here is a screen print of my error message when I
try to run netscape:


[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ls

LICENSE   XKeysymDB   libnullplugin-dynMotif.so 
netscape-dynMotif  vregNetscape.ad 
bookmark.htm  nethelp   plugins  README  java 
netscape   registry

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$ ./netscape

./netscape: error in loading shared libraries:
libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2: cannot open shared
object file: No such file or directory 

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/usr/local/netscape$



I installed netscape as root using the ns-install
script that came with netscape.

thanks!!!

xucaen

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Re: GCC and EGCS

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
:: staf wagemakers writes:

> The latest gcc sersion 2.96 ( which is the default compiler on Red Hat 7 ) 
> has 
> a few bugs and isn't able to compile the Linux kernel. This version of gcc is 
> only a pre-release therefor I wouldn't use this version at all...

There was some flame war in linux-kernel and elsewhere I guess because
of that. It's not "pre-release". They actually picked a CVS snapshot
that was not binary-compatible with anything else, and with unknown
bugs, and packaged it.

I'd call our version of gcc (2.95.3) a "prerelease", but not Red
Hat's "2.96".

The gcc people had to publicaly announce that there has never been an
official 2.96 gcc version...

J.

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Re: System security question

2001-01-06 Thread Viktor Rosenfeld
"Marco C ." wrote:

> and I have another question: my netstat revealed these strange ports:
> tcp0  0 *:6000 *:*LISTEN

This is the X server, if I am not mistaken.  IHMO nothing to worry
about.

> tcp0  0 *:1024 *:*LISTEN

Dunno, what that is though.


MfG Viktor
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Re: eml attached file problem

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:10:51PM +0100, Nicolas Bertolissio wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've a potato upgraded in woody, and I'm using balsa_0.9.5-1.0.pre5-1.
> I've received a mail with an attachment that is an .eml file format
> (see below). I can read html parts even if there are html tags but I'd
> like to see the image and I don't know how I can do. I tried to make a
> file with the data but it didn't work.  Could someone help me please ?
> 
> Nicolas.

Save each attached image to a file, then use uudecode to convert it from
ascii encoding.

-- 
Eric G. Miller 



Re: GNOME Mail Client

2001-01-06 Thread Brad Burns
 
> >  I use Sylpheed too, and I like it.
> 
> I find that Pronto is great - it can use MySQL for storing emails which makes
> it ideal for huge amounts of mail from losts of mailing lists. Searches are
> VERY fast!

At the moment I am using Sylpheed, and it's very nice.. I have not settled 
though, since I'm more of a console type, and if I can figure out mutt, I'll 
probably end up on that.

Thanks for all the suggestions everyone!



Re: SRC-install

2001-01-06 Thread Jeronimo Pellegrini
On Sun, Jan 07, 2001 at 01:23:37AM +0100, Matthias Wieser wrote:
> Is it possible to force APT to install from source?

Yes.

> I want to edit my sources.list that way, that apt just get's the sources
> and then compiles everything himself. is that possible or is that utopy
> getting into my mind?

Example:

deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main 
deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main 

Then,

apt-get -b install package

will download, build and install.

apt-get source package

Will bring the sources for you and unpack under the current directory. :-)

J.


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SRC-install

2001-01-06 Thread Matthias Wieser
Is it possible to force APT to install from source?

I want to edit my sources.list that way, that apt just get's the sources
and then compiles everything himself. is that possible or is that utopy
getting into my mind?

Thank you, mattHias Wieser
(pls.: cc me, because of lots of the trafic I sometimes oversee mail-I
just get the digest :)

thank you :-)
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Re: Previous post: modem hangup

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 10:01:32AM -0800, David S. Bach wrote:
> Last week there was a post about avoiding a modem hangup by 
> specifying /dev/cua??? instead of /dev/ttyS?.

/dev/cu?? has been deprecated for some time now (years even). Are you
saying you want the modem to keep the line open, even when the
connection is dead?

> Can someone please forward to me? I've been having this problem for a 
> long time and wanted to implement the solution, but now I cannot find 
> the message.

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Re: gpm and wheelmouse

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote "Rick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# my post was slightly premature (or maybe just got my thoughts in
order, as
# I investigated further into gpm.conf and found that where I had 

Hey, no worries :) Personally, it took me more than a month to get gpm+X
working properly, although it wasn't wholly my fault(mouse protocol
irregularities). So no problem ;)

Dave



Re: gpm and wheelmouse

2001-01-06 Thread Rick
Thank you,

my post was slightly premature (or maybe just got my thoughts in order, as
I investigated further into gpm.conf and found that where I had 

type=ps2

I needed 

type=imps2

now the wheelie doodad is working happily in mozilla (not ns4 tho---gotta
play around some more) and xterm and who knows where else...

One question...does anyone know if it's possible for the wheelie in xterm
(wterm) to scroll through the command history rather than up the scroll
bar?

thanks again,
rick

David B. Harris writes:

> To quote Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> # Option "Protocol""Intellimouse"
> 
> Just to be sure, the protocol for an Intellimouse-compatible mouse on
> the PS/2 port is "IMPS/2". I dunno if your mouse is on a serial, USB, or
> PS/2 port, but I figured it was worth mentioning.
> 
> Dave
> 
> 
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Re: GCC and EGCS

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 11:49:11PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> Thanks a lot for your help. I also compile all my stuff on GCC 2.95.2 
> without having any troubbles at anytime. I'm just wundering what the GREAT
> 
> difference between the releases could be. I mean the language for example 
> "C" doesn't change... But the changes are as big as the kernel wont 
> compile on GCC 2.96? thats strange to me... I mean it's not important and 
> doesn't stress me (hehehe) in anyway just strange...

The kernel uses alot of inline assembly.  I think that where the
breakage occurs.  The newer versions of gcc apparently are a bit more
strict about some operations...

-- 
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Re: apt question

2001-01-06 Thread Igor Mozetic
> What I am trying to do is install the latest version of the sawfish
> window manager.  It resides in the unstable section.  The problem is
> that I want to install only what is required from the unstable base.  I
> tried pressing "R" and "D" so that only the packages I selected would be
> installed, but I got a ton of dependencies.

You have two options:

1) apt-get update ; apt-get --show-upgraded install sawfish;
assuming that /etc/apt/sources.list points to unstable.
This will show you which packages will be upgraded, but I suspect
there will be many of them ...

2) Try compiling the unstable package for stable base:
cd /usr/src  (or /usr/local/src)
apt-get update ; apt-get --compile source sawfish
assuming that /etc/apt/sources.list contains deb-src entries for unstable.
However, this might require that you first compile some other packages
from unstable before sawfish compiles. Have a look at Built-Depends
in /usr/src/PKG/debian/control.

-Igor Mozetic




Re: emu10k1 module

2001-01-06 Thread Eric G . Miller
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 08:27:52AM -0500, Anthony Fox wrote:
> I have auto module loading compiled into my kernel.  How do I
> specify that when an application attempts to access the sound
> hardware that the kernel should install the emu10k1 module into the
> running kernel?  Right now, the kernel installs the soundcore module
> only.

You probably need some aliases.  I don't know exactly what for that
card, but I have the following in /etc/modutils/aliases:

options opl3 io=0x388 
alias sound-slot-0 cs4232
alias sound-service-0-0 cs4232 # mixer
alias sound-service-0-2 opl3   # /dev/midi
alias sound-service-0-3 cs4232 # /dev/dsp & /dev/audio
alias sound-service-0-4 cs4232 # "ditto"
alias sound-service-0-6 sound # /dev/sndstat
options sound dmabuf=1
options cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma2=0 

There's info in the kernel docs about these sound-slot/sound-service
things.  Make sure to run "update-modules" after editing
/etc/modutils/aliases.

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Re: GCC and EGCS

2001-01-06 Thread Raffaele Sandrini
On Saturday 06 January 2001 22:19, Mike wrote:
> Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> > Does EGCS exist today? or is it included in GCC. Many software 
recomments
> > to be compiled with egcs (???).
>
> Like others have said already, gcc and egcs merged some time back.
>
> > I have GCC 2.95.2 installed on my machine wich seems to be the latest
> > version of GCC. The kernel doc tells me that i have to use GCC 2.72 
(???)
> > and only for secondary choice the latest GCC!
>
> Last night I built kernel 2.4.0 using gcc 2.95.3 - no troubles so far. 
> Even got everything working right on the first try.

Thanks a lot for your help. I also compile all my stuff on GCC 2.95.2 
without having any troubbles at anytime. I'm just wundering what the GREAT

difference between the releases could be. I mean the language for example 
"C" doesn't change... But the changes are as big as the kernel wont 
compile on GCC 2.96? thats strange to me... I mean it's not important and 
doesn't stress me (hehehe) in anyway just strange...

cheers,
Raffaele

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Re: kernel 2.4.0 and audio cd

2001-01-06 Thread Shawn D'Alimonte
On January  6, 2001 11:29 am, Anthony Fox wrote:
> After compiling and running a 2.4.0 kernel, I can no longer play
> audio cds.  I can mount data cds just fine, but not audio cds.  If I
> try to mount an audio cd I get the following error:

> Has anyone seen this problem or does anyone know what the problem is
> here and how to fix it?

Could you mount them under previous kernels?  Audio CDs have no file 
system.  You play them with a CD player application which just tells 
the CD-ROM drive to play it.

Players I can think of are xmcd, cdtools (Console based), grip, 
kcdplay, etc.  

If you can't hear anything from the speakers after the disk is playing, 
but can here it through the CD drives earphone jack then check the 
volume (Usually called CD) with a mixer (aumix, xmixer, kmixer, etc).

Hope this helps.

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Re: gpm and wheelmouse

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Rick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# Option "Protocol""Intellimouse"

Just to be sure, the protocol for an Intellimouse-compatible mouse on
the PS/2 port is "IMPS/2". I dunno if your mouse is on a serial, USB, or
PS/2 port, but I figured it was worth mentioning.

Dave



gpm and wheelmouse

2001-01-06 Thread Rick
Hello,

I needed to install XF86 4.0.2 in order to get my GeForce2 MX vid to work.
I did the install manually and it works happily except that I cannot get the 
wheel of my Logitech TrackMan Marble to work.  My mouse config is as follows:

Identifier  "Mouse1"
Driver  "mouse"
Option "Protocol""Intellimouse"
Option "Device"  "/dev/mouse"

Option "ChordMiddle"
Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

/dev/mouse is a symbolic link to /dev/gpmdata
I have not tweaked gpm because I don't really know how it works and can't
find very relevant docs for my issue.  The xserver seems content with the
settings and doesn't report warnings or errors except: 
_IceTransmkdir: Owner of /tmp/.ICE-unix should be set to root

I am believing that the problem is with gpm because the wheel behaves 
strangely out of X as well.  When I turn it is selects a lot of lines and
does pasting. 

I am using potato other than the screwy X setup. 



Re: GNOME Mail Client

2001-01-06 Thread Matthew Sackman

On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 13:16:09 -0500, David B. Harris said:

> To quote Raghavendra Bhat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>  # Brad Burns posts:
>  # 
>  # > Can anyone recommend a good GNOME Mail Client ?
>  # >
>  # 
>  # U mean a mail client based on the GTK libs ?
>  # Plump for Sylpheed.  It is good.
>  
>  I use Sylpheed too, and I like it.

I find that Pronto is great - it can use MySQL for storing emails which makes
it ideal for huge amounts of mail from losts of mailing lists. Searches are
VERY fast!

Matthew

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Re: apt question

2001-01-06 Thread Jim McCloskey

|> What I am trying to do is install the latest version of the sawfish 
|> window manager.  It resides in the unstable section.  The problem is 
|> that I want to install only what is required from the unstable base.  I 
|> tried pressing "R" and "D" so that only the packages I selected would be 
|> installed, but I got a ton of dependencies.
|>
|> what is the best way for me to do this?

I believe that the way that gives the best combination of safety and
convenience is to use:

  apt-get --compile source sawfish

This will download the source-files and compile the package. I'm
afraid I don't know if it handles dependencies, but if you look at

   http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/sawfish.html

you'll get a complete list of packages that sawfish depends on and
suggests. 

For this to work, you need to have in /etc/apt/sources.list (along
with your usual sources for the binary packages) a line like the
following:

deb-src http://http.us.debian.org/debian unstable main 

(assuming that the package you want is in the main section of the
unstable distribution and that http.us.debian.org is the mirror
closest to you)

Then `apt-get update' and `apt-get --compile source sawfish'.

The advantage of this is that the program will be compiled against the
libraries that currently exist on your system. If you try to install
the binary package from unstable, there is a good chance that it will
have been compiled against libraries that are newer than (and
incompatible with) the libraries that exist on your system.

Hope this helps,

Jim






Re: Ad blocking with Squid

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
#  - I don't want to run both Junkbuster and Squid because I would see
# this as wasteful.

I guess that's somewhat true. I have both of them running. JunkBuster
forwards its requests to squid(on port 3128), so that only the stuff
junkbuster lets through gets downloaded.

Some of my family members don't like Junkbuster, so they just use port
3128, bypassing it.

Ah well, that's just the way I've got it set up. I've got a fairly beefy
router(with 48M of RAM), but I also play all my MP3s on that
machine(decoded, raw audio sent to my desktop - I've got more bandwidth
on my 100Mbit network than I've got CPU power in my desktop), and do a
bunch of other things without any slowdown.

Dave



Re: 2.4.0 and 3com 905c

2001-01-06 Thread Phil Brutsche
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A long time ago, in a galaxy far, far way, someone said...

> i've been using stock kernel 2.2.17 that came with potato.  it
> recognized my 3com nic (as 3com 3c905c) and works wonderfully.
>
> i would like to ungrade to kernel 2.4.0 (now that it's stable).
> after rebooting a custom 2.4.0, i can't seem to get the nic recognized
> by the kernel.  in the recompile, i specified 3com (and the 900
> series).
>
> does anyone know how i can get the 3com nic (that 2.2.17 sees as
> 3c905c) to be recognized by 2.4.0?

2.4.0 has known problems with 3com PCI ethernet cards.  I think there are
patches available, but I don't know where.

The 3c59x driver in 2.4.0-test11 works great through - maybe you could
drop that in and see what you get.

Beyond that your options are:
 * stick with 2.2.x
 * wait for 2.4.1

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Re: trouble getting fetchmail to start SOLVED

2001-01-06 Thread David B . Harris
To quote Ross Boylan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
# By the way, is there any reliable way to capture all the messages
# which go to the console on system startup? dmesg and the various files
# in /var/log do not get everything that shows on the screen--for
# example, fetchmail's complaint when it couldn't find a system.

Here's what I do.

All various Sxx

Turning off services SOLVED

2001-01-06 Thread Ross Boylan
At various times I have wanted to turn off certain daemons without
uninstalling their packages.  I couldn't find any good way to do this,
so I wrote a little script.  I'm making it available under the GPL.

I've since discovered that the some packages also create a bunch of
crontab jobs, and they are still cluttering things up a bit.

If there's a better way to do this, I'd love to hear it.

#! /usr/bin/python
# switchDemon.py
#
# Usage: switchDemon.py (--on | --off) 
#
# This script will scan, turn off, or turn on selected
# demons in /etc/rc?.d/.  It does so by renaming S* symbolic
# links so the services won't start.
# Scan mode (neither --on nor --off) simply reports the status
# of the demons.
# Note that demons are not actually started or stopped by this script;
# it just controls what will happen at system startup.
#
# (c) 2001 Ross Boylan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
# Made available under the GPL (see www.gnu.org)

import glob, os.path, re, sys

class Demon:
"Information and actions on a demon"

gDisabled = "Disabled-"

def __init__(self, name):
"Name of demon"
if not os.path.exists("/etc/init.d/"+name):
raise name + " is not a known demon"
self._name = name
self._statuses = []

def checkStatus(self):
"Check status at various run levels"
self.doOverRunLevels(self._checkStatus)

def turnOff(self):
"Make it so won't run at next system start"
self.doOverRunLevels(self._turnOff)
self.checkStatus()

def turnOn(self):
"We will start on next run level change"
self.doOverRunLevels(self._turnOn)
self.checkStatus()

def doOverRunLevels(self, method):
"Invoke method over all run levels"
for rl in glob.glob("/etc/rc[0-9Ss].d"):
method(rl, rl[-3])

def _checkStatus(self, directory, runLevel):
"See if we are around and fill in _statuses if we are"
aRegex = re.compile("("+Demon.gDisabled+r")?S(\d\d)"+self._name);
for file in os.listdir(directory):
aMatch = aRegex.search(file)
if aMatch:
aStatus = DemonStatus(runLevel, aMatch.group(2), not 
aMatch.group(1))
self._statuses.append(aStatus)
return

def _turnOff(self, directory, runLevel):
"Disable demon for future reboots"
aRegex = re.compile(r"S(\d\d)"+self._name)
for file in os.listdir(directory):
aMatch = aRegex.match(file)  # must be at start
if aMatch:
os.rename(os.path.join(directory, file),
  os.path.join(directory, Demon.gDisabled+file))
# no return values documented for os.rename
return
   
def _turnOn(self, directory, runLevel):
"Enable demon for future reboots"
aRegex = re.compile(Demon.gDisabled+r"S(\d\d)"+self._name)
for file in os.listdir(directory):
aMatch = aRegex.match(file)  # must be at start
if aMatch:
os.rename(os.path.join(directory, file),
  os.path.join(directory, file[len(Demon.gDisabled):]))
# no return values documented for os.rename
return

def reportTo(self, file):
"Send human readable report to stream"
file.write("Demon %s:\n"%self._name)
for aStatus in self._statuses:
file.write("\t%s\n"%str(aStatus))


class DemonStatus:
"Status of a given demon"

def __init__(self, runlevel, priority, enabled=1):
"Priority (nn) of demon and whether it is enabled"
# runlevel is a single 0, 1, ...
self._runlevel = runlevel
self._priority = priority
self._enabled = enabled

def __str__(self):
if self._enabled:
msg = "Enabled"
else:
msg = "Turned off"
return "%s for run level %s (priority %s)"%(msg, self._runlevel, 
self._priority)

def isEnabled(self):
if self._enabled:
return "on"
else:
return "off"


aCommand = sys.argv[1]
if aCommand[0] == "-":
if aCommand[-1] == "f":
anAction = "turnOff"
elif aCommand[-1] == "n":
anAction = "turnOn"
else:
print "Command not understood"
names = sys.argv[2:]
else:
anAction = "checkStatus"
names = sys.argv[1:]

for aDemonName in names:
aDemon = Demon(aDemonName)
Demon.__dict__[anAction](aDemon)
aDemon.reportTo(sys.stdout)




Re: GCC and EGCS

2001-01-06 Thread staf wagemakers
On Sat, Jan 06, 2001 at 05:00:14PM +0100, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> I am really confused over the different compilers wich seems to be 
> together.
> 
> Does EGCS exist today? or is it included in GCC. Many software recomments 
> to be compiled with egcs (???). I have GCC 2.95.2 installed on my machine 
> wich seems to be the latest version of GCC. The kernel doc tells me that i
> 
> have to use GCC 2.72 (???) and only for secondary choice the latest GCC!

The egcs and gcc projects merged some time ago, actually egcs became gcc 2.9X.

I use gcc 2.95.2 to compile my kernels without any problems, so it's save to
use your gcc compiler to compile your kernel.

The latest gcc sersion 2.96 ( which is the default compiler on Red Hat 7 ) has 
a few bugs and isn't able to compile the Linux kernel. This version of gcc is 
only a pre-release therefor I wouldn't use this version at all...

regards,

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Re: Ad blocking with Squid

2001-01-06 Thread Nate Amsden
Francois Gouget wrote:
> 
>Is there a Debian package that would configure Squid to do ad
> blocking?
> 
> Background:
>  - I'm running squid at home to provide a unified cache to my local
> network.
>  - I don't want to run Junkbuster because AFAIK it's not a cache.
>  - I don't want to run both Junkbuster and Squid because I would see
> this as wasteful.
> 
>I have searched on the web and I found the following two sites that
> provide such a configuration for Squid:
> 
>http://www.taz.net.au/block/
>http://www.zip.com.au/~cs/adzap/index.html

ive been using adzapper for ages and its great!! its changed a lot
since i first started using it, last time i looked it looked rather
complicated to setup so i am still running the copy i got about a year
ago.

i dont know of a debian package for it but i havent looked either.

nate

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Re: trouble getting fetchmail to start SOLVED

2001-01-06 Thread Ross Boylan
On Fri, Jan 05, 2001 at 10:46:29PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote:

Thanks for all the ideas.  I solved the problem, though I'm still not
sure why it was a problem.

When the /init.d/fetchmail script runs from the system start up
environment, it is unable to find /root/.fetchmailrc (or it is
unwilling to).  It complains that no systems were specified.  So, as
one of you suggested, I told it explicitly where to get the
configuration.

This is peculiar, because playing with other scripts shows the script
was being run as root.  The fetchmail docs say it looks in
~/.fetchmailrc.  So perhaps the process is not completely root?  Or
fetchmail does some checks to see if it is running without a tty?

By the way, is there any reliable way to capture all the messages
which go to the console on system startup? dmesg and the various files
in /var/log do not get everything that shows on the screen--for
example, fetchmail's complaint when it couldn't find a system.

At any rate, here's the script which works:

#! /bin/sh
# /etc/init.d/fetchmail
# Hacked by Ross Boylan from the exim script which was...
#
# Written by Miquel van Smoorenburg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
# Modified for Debian GNU/Linux by Ian Murdock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>.
# Modified for exim by Tim Cutts <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

set -e


DAEMON=/usr/bin/fetchmail
ARGS="--fetchmailrc /root/.fetchmailrc"
DEBUGLOG=/usr/local/rootlog/fetch.log
NAME=fetchmail

echo `whoami` `date` >> $DEBUGLOG
# This was not my only test of uid.  I created a shell script and
# ran it from start-stop-deamon. The script printed whoami as root.

test -x $DAEMON || exit 0 

case "$1" in
  start)
echo -n "Starting fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
# Note the use of -- before args to the program
echo "Done."
;;
  stop)
echo -n "Stopping fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
echo "Done."
  ;;
  restart|reload|force-reload)
echo "Restarting fetchmail: "
start-stop-daemon --stop --oknodo --exec $DAEMON
start-stop-daemon --start -v --exec $DAEMON -- $ARGS >> $DEBUGLOG
echo "Done."
;;
  *)
echo "Usage: /etc/init.d/$NAME {start|stop|restart}"
exit 1
;;
esac

exit 0



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