Re: Progeny Debian
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:11:41PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:52:44PM -0500, Bud Rogers wrote: > > On Wednesday 11 April 2001 19:37, Rob VanFleet wrote: > > > Did you file a bug report with them? It's the least you could do. > > > > Good grief, Rob. Didn't anyone ever teach you how to trim quotes? > > Oh no, another flamewar in the making :) Heh, I really don't have the time to get involved in flamewar over quotes. Normally, yes I do trim quotes. This particular time, I was lazy. Sue me. : ) -Rob
Re: download problem
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 12:40:42AM -0400, Rahul Agarwal wrote: > I am trying to download the Debian intallation files (first time > installation) from the website using the ftp ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ > the ftp program has already downloaded data more than 2.4 gigs and is still > going on. I was wondering what is the size of the installation files and am I > doing the right operation. Help in this regard will be appreciated. > I would strongly suggest you read the installation instructions at - http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/#new-inst If your trying to download the iso to burn - http://cdimage.debian.org/ If your trying to do an ftp install you just need 6 floppies. At any rate it seems to me your downloading everything from the ftp site. You don't need to do that. Read the installation directions and then post back about what you don't understand. Also set your mail client to wrap to 72 characters. hth, kent -- From seeing and seeing the seeing has become so exhausted First line of "The Panther" - R. M. Rilke
Unable to locate libpixmap.so
As a normal user, when I execute xmms, I get the following warnings: Gtk-WARNING **: Unable to locate loadable module in module_path: "libpixmap.so" And then xmms fires up and proceeds to work quite happily. However, I don't get this message if/when I execute xmms as root. dpkg -S libpixmap doesn't reveal anything, which leads me to wonder (1) why normal users receive the message, yet root does not; and (2) what package do I need in order to satisfy the libpixmap request? -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
download problem
I am trying to download the Debian intallation files (first time installation) from the website using the ftp ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ the ftp program has already downloaded data more than 2.4 gigs and is still going on. I was wondering what is the size of the installation files and am I doing the right operation. Help in this regard will be appreciated. Thanks rahul
Re: NFS mount at startup
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:15:45PM -0500, Stephen E. Hargrove wrote: > How do I prevent NFS filesystems from mounting when I start up my > computer. As the system is booting, it attempts to mount them, and I only > want them mounted when I want them. Here's one example from my fstab: > > papa:/music/music nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024 0 0 Add "noauto" to the list of mount options. (If you're using noauto, you'll probably want to add "user" also, so that you don't have to be root to mount or unmount the fs.) -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++> E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: WindowMaker Rocks!! ;-) (Was: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces)
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:51:38PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:13:22AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > You missed my favorite icewm (in 3 flavors - -gnome -lite). The most > > Windows-like wm (not counting KDE's). > > Legacy MS Windows is not necessarially the Gold Standard® of GUI shell > design. Amen to that, brother! > You also have various options for opening menus. By default, > right-mouse on root window is apps menu, middle mouse is window list. > These are bound to and as well. Yes, I know my wmaker menus fairly well, but I bind hotkeys to everything common... F9 for netscape, F10 to bring up an Eterm (What can I say? I like the flashy stuff sometimes...), Windows-Z (a lot of apps like to use Alt-foo themselves, so I've got all my wmaker hotkeys bound to Windows-foo instead) to lock the screen, F12-Up-Right-Enter to log out, F12-Down-Enter for GIMP. That's about all I ever use. (Anything else, I start from an Eterm.) > Incidentally, WPrefs is reason #15,835 for loving WindowMaker -- this is > one slick, well-thought out, and functional configuration utility. > There's little that I want configured which it doesn't provide for. Anyhow, the real reason for my reply: Why do you like WPrefs so much? I used it initially, then discovered wmakerconf. At that point, there were some things that could only be done in WPrefs, so I used both, but, IIRC, wmakerconf now does everything that WPrefs does, plus quite a bit more. -- That's not gibberish... It's Linux. - Byers, The Lone Gunmen Geek Code 3.1: GCS d? s+: a- C++ UL++$ P++>+++ L+++> E- W--(++) N+ o+ !K w---$ O M- V? PS+ PE Y+ PGP t 5++ X+ R++ tv b+ DI D G e* h+ r y+
Re: gdm login is broken in unstable(?)
David Monarres <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I had the same problem and it isn't gdm, rather it has to do with a broken > ssh-agent. I just commented out the lines in /etc/gdm/sessions/Gnome that > start ssh-agent and it seemd to work after that. Hey thanks, that fixes things perfectly! [Did'ya file a bug report?] -Miles -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche
[OT] kapm-idled takes up 77% of CPU?
Dig this: 3 root 20 0 00 0 SW 0 74.0 0.0 672:35 kapm-idled 10858 root 10 0 35540 8332 1628 S 0 0.5 6.5 0:03 X 4208 root 9 0 968 964 744 S 0 0.3 0.7 0:14 dozed 31364 krzys 10 0 1492 1492 692 R 0 0.3 1.1 0:00 top 167 root 9 096 5252 R 0 0.1 0.0 0:00 gpm 31488 krzys 9 0 6564 6564 2948 S 0 0.1 5.1 0:02 emacs 31638 krzys 9 0 928 924 732 S 0 0.1 0.7 0:00 e 31658 root 9 0 248 248 196 S 0 0.1 0.1 0:00 sleep 1 root 8 0 160 124 104 S 0 0.0 0.0 0:04 init 2 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 keventd 4 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kswapd 5 root 9 0 00 0 SW 0 0.0 0.0 0:00 kreclaimd This is a 2.4.2 kernel on an i686. I run a daemon which relies on vmstat to put my box in apm --suspend when the CPU is reasonably idle, and this screws it up. Anyone got a patch, or know which APM feature to disable in the kernel? Note that I need at least basic APM support. -chris
Re: gdm login is broken in unstable(?)
I had the same problem and it isn't gdm, rather it has to do with a broken ssh-agent. I just commented out the lines in /etc/gdm/sessions/Gnome that start ssh-agent and it seemd to work after that. I have attached the session file on my system. (I don't really know if this was the most correct way to fix it but it serves me well) David Monarres [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:56:47 Miles Bader wrote: > As of today I can't login via gdm anymore; it accepts my userid and > password, restarts X, and then just restarts X again and shows the gdm > login dialog. > > /var/log/auth.log shows something like: > > Apr 12 10:44:28 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8872]: (gdm) session opened for user > miles by (uid=0) > Apr 12 10:44:29 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8864]: (gdm) session closed for user > miles > > /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows nothing unusual (no error messages or > anything). > > Another message on this list (subject `startx not working') mentions a > similar problem, and someone replied that the `libpam0g' package was > somehow involved; I tried replacing that package with the version from > testing, but the same problem still occurs. > > Does anyone have any idea how to work around this problem? I'd really > like to use X! > > Thanks, > > -Miles > > p.s. Please keep me in To/CC; I don't read this mailing list directly. > -- > Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, > pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Gnome Description: Binary data
Re: startx not working
Hey, I have the same problem (although I'm using gdm). What's going on? I need to do homework. Oh well, I guess that's what I get for using unstable :) Cameron Matheson __ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/
Re: install disk boot problem
Please keep list mail on list. Reply redirected to list. on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:33:56PM -0700, Jack Moffitt ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Bad floppies are legion in Debian installs. Try another. And another. > > And another. If you can't get it right in six to ten, consider another > > route. I've had a few problems, never needed to toss more than three > > disks myself. > > I've installed linux many times, and so am pretty familiar with bad > floppies. This doesn't seem to be the case here, it seems like debian > can't see my usb floppy drive at all. > > The bios knows to boot from it, but apparently debian itself can't see > it. I see > > floppy drive fd0 is 1.44M > floppy0: no controller Could well be. I don't go through installs _too_ often, haven't had to deal with USB. I'm guessing there's no support, would probably take the tack of finding out how to modify BFs to add USB support. > in the bootup messages a few lines up from where it asks for the root > disk. > > > Worst comes to worst, boot something like Tom's Root/Boot, and do a > > null-cable (SLIP, PLIP, or ethernet) transfer of the base system from > > another system. If that doesn't work, swap the drive to another system. > > Is there a url for this? Nothing I know of off the top of my head. I'm thinking of adding the base utilities required to run installations from my laptop, will be researching this in the future. > jack. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpTiZtv35GQJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: NFS mount at startup
The Automounter will help you. The documentation wasn't real clear to me at first, but I managed to get it up and running. See the Automounter mini-HOWTO at: http://www.kernel.org/LDP/HOWTO/mini/Automount.html or your favorite LDP mirror for more details. --Rich "Stephen E. Hargrove" wrote: > > How do I prevent NFS filesystems from mounting when I start up my > computer. As the system is booting, it attempts to mount them, and I only > want them mounted when I want them. Here's one example from my fstab: > > papa:/music/music nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024 0 0 > -- > steve -- _ Rich Puhek ETN Systems Inc. _
NFS mount at startup
How do I prevent NFS filesystems from mounting when I start up my computer. As the system is booting, it attempts to mount them, and I only want them mounted when I want them. Here's one example from my fstab: papa:/music/music nfs rsize=1024,wsize=1024 0 0 -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
install disk boot problem
I'm trying to install Debian potato on my laptop. I've got the generic i386 disks (rescue.bin and root.bin + the drivers1-4, etc). My laptop (a sony vaio picturebook) has a USB floppy drive and no cdrom. So I generally do net installs of RedHat on it. The floppy works great to boot the first disk, but it can't seem to find the second disk (I assume the reason I never ran into this with redhat, is that redhat only needs 1 disk for a net install, whereas debian needs 6 or whatever). Is there a version of the boot disks that will use usb floppies, or am I just plain out of luck? jack.
Re: Debian install on RAID hardware
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001, Rafael Hinojosa wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > I'm not exactly sure if this question should be posted to this list, or to > another more specific list. If so, do let me know. > > The organization I belong to just received a new Dell PowerEdge 1400 with > the PercRAID 2/DC dual channel RAID card. Current plans are to use this > machine to replace an old server. > > If anyone has had any previous experience getting this card to work under > Debian, some advice would be appreciated. Raf, Hi. I don't have much advice for you since I've never done linux on Raid, but I'm fairly certain (second-hand: from reading this list) that Debian works well with Mylex Raid (supposedly the best supported Raid on linux in general). You'll have to wait further for more knowledgeable folks to help you with the PercRAID. Take care, Daniel > > Sorry for the long-winded e-mail; Thanks, > > --Raf -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:46:05PM -0400, Glenn Becker wrote: > I have followed this discussion with great interest. It's been really > lively! :-) > > I hardly consider myself to have achieved 'power user' status. I started > with Slackware Linux in late 1998. At this time I never touch Windows and > do not miss it. > > My initial reaction to what was -- I do not argue -- an avalanche of > things-to-learn often *did* swing over to the "totally overwhelmed > and frustrated" side of things; *however,* I did and still do feel that > the *challenge* of overcoming the problems to the best of my abilities has > been the most exciting and profitable learning experience I have ever > enjoyed. > > I say this happily granting that it may not be for everyone. It especially > may not be "right" if what you are doing is a Something that has to get > done tomorrow. On the other hand, if what you're looking for is a new way > to see and to use the box at your feet (or by your side, or ...) there is > no better way to go that I know of ... it is truly transforming. > > This is not an apology for allusive, obfuscatory or even "bad" writing in > docs. I've seen my share of that. But the soul of the experience (if I can > use that crappy tattered word) is experiment: of trying things out and > seeing what they do. I've not been nearly brave or smart enough, but my > experience with various Linux-es, and especially Debian, has made me a > much more effective do-er. > > Glenn Becker okay. you're another candidate for newbiedoc-membership. http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc/ pick a topic that bugged you, and expose the basics for tomorrow's newbie. (like me.) we need all the help we can get! -- americans should never read anything so subversive as what's at http://www.salon.com/people/col/pagl/2001/03/21/spring/index1.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!
WindowMaker Rocks!! ;-) (Was: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces)
on Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:13:22AM +0800, csj ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Thursday 12 April 2001 07:44, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > WindowMaker, my preference. Gratuitous screenshots at
> > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Images/Desktop/ It's running very
> > happily on my PPro 180MHz/256MB system (at 96MB until November
> > 2000).
> >
> > Other good middlin' options include BlackBox, SawFish (formerly
> > SawMill). Purists often tend toward fvwm2.
>
> You missed my favorite icewm (in 3 flavors - -gnome -lite). The most
> Windows-like wm (not counting KDE's).
Legacy MS Windows is not necessarially the Gold Standard® of GUI shell
design.
> Which brings me to my favorite lite-wm peeve. Why do most of them
> lack a persistent menu/taskbar?
Which brings me to reason #17,317 I love WindowMaker. You want a
start bar? Raise a menu, click on the titlebar to make it persistant,
and scoot it to the bottom of the screen. With WPrefs configured to
scroll off-screen menus on-screen, you've now got a menu of your choice
-- the full root menu, a window list menu, a workspace menu, or any
particular submenu you prefer. I do this from time to time, though I
prefer life w/o such artifacts.
You also have various options for opening menus. By default,
right-mouse on root window is apps menu, middle mouse is window list.
These are bound to and as well.
If you want to launch a specific app, you can launch the "Run" dialog.
I have this bound to (from the KDE keybinding).
I've also created the following hotkey assignments for applications:
- -t: rxvt
- -r: root sudo shell
- -m: mutt
- -w: w3m. Actually, I like this one a lot:
rxvt -title w3m -e screen w3m
- as well as miscellaneous navigation, widget manipulation, and other
keystrokes.
I've also modified my root menus from the Debian defaults to put some
useful applications at the top level of the menu. You can add in the
default Debian menu as a hook with the following entry in
GNUStep/Defaults/WMRootMenu:
("Debian menus", OPEN_MENU, "/etc/X11/WindowMaker/menu.hook"),
...providing the best of both worlds -- my own tailored menus, and the
automatically updated system menus -- in the same utility.
Incidentally, WPrefs is reason #15,835 for loving WindowMaker -- this is
one slick, well-thought out, and functional configuration utility.
There's little that I want configured which it doesn't provide for.
> Take Blackbox (a favorite from the posts I have read). To open a new
> app you have to click at the desktop (or is there some abstruse
> keyboard shortcut?) to bring up the app-ropriate menu The problem: how
> do you click at the desktop when you have a maximized app filling the
> screen? Ditto for WindowMaker (though I have found out there's a
> keyboard shortcut).
>
> Here's one problem the Windows folks have solved pretty well. A
> menu/taskbar that lets you launch apps and Amazon through them.
WindowMaker's done this fairly elegantly IMO. There are a number of
human-computer interface issues that the NeXT people worked through, and
which the WindowMaker team's realized were signifcant enough to work
into their product. This isn't just a visual knock-off of NeXT, it's
got some of the smarts there as well. While some of the flexibility and
flash of other WMs isn't present in WindowMaker, I've found it's a
balance of clean design and wonderful usability.
Cheers.
--
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Re: folder highlightning in Pine ?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 What you do, is in your folders page, you hit the ; key... then select [P]roperties (P key), then hit [N]ew (N key). this will check all of your folders for new messages, and put an X next to each one that contains new messages. - -- Curtis Hogg [EMAIL PROTECTED] - -- Rule of Life #1 -- Never get separated from your luggage. - -- Email 1 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Email 2 - [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW - [in transit] On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Allan Andersen wrote: > Hi, > > I'm a new user with pine email (Have allways used a graphical program), > but was impressed to see the program 'simplicity' and speed, so I desided > to try it out my self. > > I've set up some filters in Pine to control the incoming mails into the > right folders. But as soon as I got more than a couple of these folders > it gets a bit confuseble. So I was wondering if it was possible to get > the folder highlighted when a new mail arrived to it ? > > It's a bit irritating to go though each folder when a new mail arrives. > > Hope anyone could assists, best regards > Allan Andersen > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP for Personal Privacy 5.0 Charset: noconv iQA/AwUBOtUXjLHXK8DxaQMZEQJbBQCffd7pax5MwmBdn66XNFgJRB+b+jEAn2/D ZJfTruiKt5/DhHul3ZCn320+ =P4jl -END PGP SIGNATURE-
DNS: how to set up 192.168.*.* of public IP addys?
Pann McCuaig replied:
> will trillich wrote:
> > what kind of naming setup do you use for the intRAnet? something
> > totally different from the public access point ("timmy.my.lan"
> > for example) or do you branch off the original public name
> > ("timmy.private.mydomain.org" for example)?
>
> $ cat /etc/hosts
> 127.0.0.1 localhost
> 192.168.1.5 potato.ourmanpann.com potato
> 192.168.1.1 firewall.ourmanpann.com firewall
> 192.168.1.2 rescue.ourmanpann.com rescue
> 192.168.1.3 win95.ourmanpann.comwin95
> 192.168.1.4 openbsd.ourmanpann.com openbsd
> 192.168.1.101 laptop.ourmanpann.com laptop
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh firewall cat /etc/hosts
> # $Id: hosts,v 1.6 2001/03/12 03:02:33 root Exp root $
>
> 127.0.0.1 localhost
> abc.def.142.58 blowfish.ourmanpann.com blowfish
> 192.168.1.1 firewall.ourmanpann.com firewall
> 192.168.1.2 rescue.ourmanpann.com rescue
> 192.168.1.3 win95.ourmanpann.comwin95
> 192.168.1.4 openbsd.ourmanpann.com openbsd
> 192.168.1.5 potato.ourmanpann.com potato
> 192.168.1.101 laptop.ourmanpann.com laptop
Okay. Not using bind/named/dns proper, just /etc/hosts, i see.
But if you have another machine, say, "laptop" in your config, do
you have to set the laptop up extra, to use the localnet host
names? Or can you "ping firewall" from the laptop and have it
translate that into 192.168.1.1 ?
I've been using
*.serensoft.com
For all externally-visible stuff, and
*.lan
For intra- localnet stuff, which i'd like to revise. I'd like to
be on "deb2" at 192.168.1.2 and do "ping mac2" and have it know
to go to 192.168.1.102 ...
--
That is, for the internet at large (my connection is 24x7 and i
have the serensoft.com domain name attached to it):
serensoft.com == 208.33.90.85
www.serensoft.com == 208.33.90.85
ftp.serensoft.com == 208.33.90.85
And for localnet nodes (and ONLY for localnet nodes),
deb1.serensoft.com == deb1 == 192.168.1.1
deb2.serensoft.com == deb2 == 192.168.1.2
mac1.serensoft.com == mac1 == 192.168.1.100
mac2.serensoft.com == mac2 == 192.168.1.101
mac3.serensoft.com == mac3 == 192.168.1.102
win1.serensoft.com == win1 == 192.168.1.200
And within the localnet, i'd like for "mac2" to be able to ping
(i.e. resolve) "win1", and vice-versa, ad nauseum, using
192.168.1.1 as dns/resolver...
How would a potato user (such as i) set that up?
--
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Re: HELP - CS423x sound config and Debian Potato...
Hello Dima, Before this receipt of this post, I did the following: 1. download alsa-drivers, utils, etc. (ver. 0.5.10) from www.alsa-project.org 2. unpacked in my /root/alsa directory 3. ran a ./configure 4. got an error at "cannot find 'version.h' in /usr/src/linux/include/linux" So I downloaded the kernel source for the kernel I was using (2.2.18pre15). I used gnome-apt to get the package. However a find / version.h -depth yielded nothing. So, as far as compiling from scratch the alsa source files I am kinda stuck. Is what I have done along the lines of what you suggest, or should I do a apt-get install alsa-source and carry on your instructions instead? In any case, I will try to give what you suggest a whirl, since I have nothing else left to try. Thanks again for replying! Carl Tan. === > > Could some kind soul please help me? I have looked through debian-user's > archives till Aug. 2000 but nothing on this was ever mentioned. Ok, lets see... If you have make-kpkg, gcc and friends installed, install alsa-source, cd /usr/src ; tar -zxvf alsa-driver.tar.gz ; cd modules/alsa-driver ; ./configure --with-cards=cs4232 ; cd /usr/src/linux ; env MODULES_LOC=/usr/src/modules make-kpkg modules_image ; cd .. ; dpkg -i alsa-modules-* Then do /etc/init.d/alsa start. Dima -- E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home) http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key I'm going to exit now since you don't want me to replace the printcap. If you change your mind later, run -- magicfilter config script -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: DNS question
Angel wrote: > Hello!! > > I need to make up a dominium, but with only a server. I will like to > use some DNS server not on my site, ¿can somebody help me? Of course I > have static IP. And if I have to put DNS server on my machine, what can > I use to make it? > > Thank you for all!!! > > Angel > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] I don't quite get what you mean here. Do you want to put a DNS service on your server or do you want to use someone elses DNS server and need some DNS numbers to put in resolv.conf?
Re: Debian/Woody broke StarOffice 5.2
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:16:10AM -0400, James D. Freels ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > It is the only application, commercial or otherwise, that I have found > that does not work for me under Debian/Woody. I suspect it needs an > older library that got overridden. Does anyone have, or know where to > get, a dependency listing for StarOffice 5.2. I also tried installing > a recent snapshot binary of openoffice and it also failed. I supose I > could build openoffice from source at last resort, but I am trying to > avoid. > > The main thing I need StarOffice for is to read M$-Word .doc files. > Abiword can do some of them, but not all, nor as well, as StarOffice. There are some problems with StarOffice, that bloated stuck pig of an office suite, currently under Woody/Sid, discussed in the mailing list recently. If you *need* stable functionality, stick to Potato. I've played with OpenOffice, but a ways back. It wass definitely *not* prime-time as of November. Otherwise, request your correspondants send you documents in open, portable, file formats. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpe2oG7A5v5s.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Installation Problem (Debian Linux)
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:13:05AM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > Dear Sir, Not so formal here, Sujit. > I have a PC with 20GB Hard disk, 810 Intel Chipset Motherboard and > P-III 700 CPU. In my hard disk, there are two partition, First > partition (i.e Pri. Dos portion) contain Windows'98 OS. I have already > installed Debian Linux in my Second Partition, after installation I am > facing various problem, please solve my proble. > > Problem 1: After Installation ( your mentioned procedure which was > avalable in your CD) , I found that all the files are not installed. Which files, specifically, aren't installed? Did you run out of space in your GNU/Linux partition(s)? 20GB should give you plenty of room for both GNU/Linux and Legacy MS Windows -- I'd try to allocate at least 6GB to a GNU/Linux installation for a full featured install. You might also want to review my notes on partitioning at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Linux/FAQs/partition.html How much space are you giving GNU/Linux? Run the following commands as root and post BOTH command AND output back to this list in response to this message: $ df $ mount $ fdisk -l /dev/hda # substitute for your actual physical # drive as necessary, e.g.: /dev/hdb, # /dev/sda, etc. > Problem 2: Xwindow is not working.There I found a error message. You'll have to post the commands and/or methods you're running, error message(s), and/or relevant log output. But let's resolve the installation problem first, it's possible that this is related. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp8XdZOLATrg.pgp Description: PGP signature
XFree4 startup error: PEXExtensionInit
I've been running Sid for ~1 month without any trouble, but today when I bootup my computer and tried to 'startx', I got a bizarre message which results in X not starting up. >From my log, I get: [snip] (==) MGA(0): Backing store disabled (==) MGA(0): Silken mouse enabled (**) MGA(0): DPMS enabled (II) MGA(0): Using overlay video (II) MGA(0): direct rendering disabled PEXExtensionInit: Couldn't open default PEX font file Roman_M (II) Keyboard "Generic Keyboard" handled by legacy driver (**) Configured Mouse: Protocol: "ImPS/2" (**) Configured Mouse: Core Pointer (==) Configured Mouse: Buttons: 3 (**) Configured Mouse: Emulate3Buttons, Emulate3Timeout: 50 (**) Configured Mouse: ZAxisMapping: buttons 4 and 5 (II) XINPUT: Adding extended input device "Configured Mouse" (type: MOUSE) waiting for X server to shut down I've tried editing my 'XF86Config-4' file in various ways, such as commenting out FontPath"unix/:7100" which has no effect and results in the same error. And I've tried commenting out Load"pex5" which results in the PEXExtensionInit error disappearing, but no new errors appearing, and the server still not starting up. Any Ideas? -- Jeremiah
Re: outgoing mail header address qyestion
On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:51:41PM +, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
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> Hi,
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> Currently, I am using mutt to access my schools imap server. it's been
> working great now I have another email account (pop3) and I use fetchmail to
> retrive it. My problem is that whenever I reply my outgoing email address is
> always the one with the imap server. (i.e. .edu) what I would like to be able
> to accomplish is I would like to reply as whoever the mail was sent to. I am
> using exim as my mta. my relevant eximconfig file is attached.
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> Thanks for any Help
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> ##
> # REWRITE CONFIGURATION #
> ##
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> # There are no rewriting specifications in this default configuration file.
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> # This rewriting rule is particularly useful for dialup users who
> # don't have their own domain, but could be useful for anyone.
> # It looks up the real address of all local users in a file
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]${lookup{$1}lsearch{/etc/email-addresses}\
> {$value}fail} bcfrF
OK if I get you right you have two email addresses you would like to
have displayed on your "From:" line. This might not be the best way to
do this but since no one else has spoken up I'll give it a try.
Everything that is going out is being rewritten by your rewrite section
of your /etc/exim.conf file. Maybe you know this.
You can override this by putting a line in your ~/.muttrc file. Here is
the one I use -
my_hdr From: ktb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
You could create two files one called ~/.muttrc and one ~./muttrc2
Put a "my_hdr" line, one for isp1 in one file and one for isp2 in the
other. Then at the command line when you fire up mutt you could source
which file you want with the following -
$ mutt -F ~/.muttrc
respond to mail from isp1
then
$ mutt -F ~/.muttrc2
respond to mail from isp2
You could of course create aliases for the two commands above so you
wouldn't have to type the whole line each time.
You could set up procmail to filter all mail from isp1 into one or
more folders and isp2 into another. Maybe that would make things a
little easier for you.
I don't claim that this is the best way to do this. Someone else might
chip in with a more elegant plan.
Also please set your mail client to wrap lines at 72 characters.
kent
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Re: iptables logging?
If you're tracking unstable, make sure you have the klogd package installed. It was recently split out from sysklogd, and since apt-get doesn't handle Recommends... On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 12:22:57AM +0100, Adam James wrote: > Hi all, > > This is just something that's getting slightly annoying - iptables is refusing > to log to /var/log/*. Runnning dmesg I can see all the iptables reports, so > its > logging to the kernel, just syslog is ignoring it (?). > > My /var/log/messages entry in /etc/syslog.conf is as follows: > > *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\ > auth,authpriv.none;\ > cron,daemon.none;\ > mail,news.none -/var/log/messages > > What do I need to add so syslog passes the iptables messages into the log? > > Many thanks for any help, > > Adam James pgpJeJaQ6JyMm.pgp Description: PGP signature
gdm login is broken in unstable(?)
As of today I can't login via gdm anymore; it accepts my userid and password, restarts X, and then just restarts X again and shows the gdm login dialog. /var/log/auth.log shows something like: Apr 12 10:44:28 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8872]: (gdm) session opened for user miles by (uid=0) Apr 12 10:44:29 mcspd15 PAM_unix[8864]: (gdm) session closed for user miles /var/log/XFree86.0.log shows nothing unusual (no error messages or anything). Another message on this list (subject `startx not working') mentions a similar problem, and someone replied that the `libpam0g' package was somehow involved; I tried replacing that package with the version from testing, but the same problem still occurs. Does anyone have any idea how to work around this problem? I'd really like to use X! Thanks, -Miles p.s. Please keep me in To/CC; I don't read this mailing list directly. -- Love is a snowmobile racing across the tundra. Suddenly it flips over, pinning you underneath. At night the ice weasels come. --Nietzsche
Re: videoconferencing
hi dan... try looking at my little collection... otherwise google has a good list of urls to go thru... http://www.Linux-Video.net - go to the video conference section have fun alvn On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Dan Berdine wrote: > Hi, > I'v been searching through the debian-user archives for information on how to > set up my camera to do videoconferencing (or anything to start with really) > and have gleaned some useful information, but I was wondering if anyone could > tell me where I should look for general documentation on the relavent > software such as V4L, xawtv, camera, and drivers for specific cameras. I > have an IBM PC Camera, and I'v found some documentation for it but really > only enough to know that people have gotten it to work successfuly in the > past and drivers exist. Any information on where to look for more > documentation on anythign relavent would be appreciated, I have no problems > with learning more than the bare minimum to get this working, so please, more > input! :) > > Thanks, > > -Dan > > P.S. Please CC replies directly to me, I can't handle the volume of the list > and rely on archives. Thanks :) > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
Re: xfree 4.0.3-pre1v2 broken
Kai Weber wrote: > + Thomas Deselaers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > > after updating to this I get gdm loginscreen but I am not able to > > login or start a x server as a user. Anybody else having that problem > > and perhaps knowing what to do. > > > > I am using debian sid and updated just 2 hours ago. > > Same problem here. The file .xsession-errors contains: > "OpenSSL version mismatch. Built against 90600f, you have 90601f" > > Sadly, I do not know, whom to blame for. But it does not seem to be X. I > am still running the X version 4.0.2-13. I had this same probem today. The way I got around it was to comment out the line "use-ssh-agent" from the file /etc/X11/Xsession.options After that X would then start on that machine. -- Mike Werner KA8YSD | He that is slow to believe anything and | everything is of great understanding, '91 GS500E| for belief in one false principle is the Morgantown WV | beginning of all unwisdom. pgp8COsymKdKs.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xcdroast and devfs
On 12 Apr 2001 10:57:17 +1000 Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > "Christoph" == Christoph Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Christoph> xcdroast on unstable seems to be severly broken these > Christoph> days. It requires setgid bits to be set, but gtk libs > Christoph> seem to refuse working for security reasons. Also all > Christoph> external helper programs changed version, hindering > Christoph> xcdroast to even start. I fixed it for me using the > Christoph> command line tools :) > > Is it possible to copy a CD using command line tools? (for legal > reasons of course) It is, using readcd which comes with cdrecord. You just have to find out the right sector number. You get an image which can be written then. Never tried to do it on the fly using a pipe. -- Christoph Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ^X^C q quit :q ^C end x exit ZZ ^D ? help shit .
Lexmark 5700 printer help please
Has anyone gotten this printer to work in debian? Am I fighting a losing battle? I have been trying to get this printer to work for a month. I downloaded the driver and it shows on the list of printers in printool but when I select it and configure it, it never works. When I try to print it says" file sent to queue lp " This printer worked in SuSE so I know it can work in linux. Will it work in debian? Thanks for the help. Len
Re: NIC problem
I have installed the base system (10 or 11 disks, can't remember). It boots up fine, and I do the Alt-F2, login as root and do a modprobe: modprobe wd modprobe wd io=0x280 irq=11 mem=0xcc000 mem_end=0xc Both give: wd.c: No wd80x3 card found (i/o = 0x280) /lib/modules/2.2.18pre21-compact/net/wd.o: init_module: Device or resource busy Hint: this error can be caused by incorrect module parameters, including invalid IO or IRQ parameters /lib/modules/2.2.18pre21-compact/net/wd.o: insmod /lib/modules/2.2.18pre21-compact/net/wd.o failed /lib/modules/2.2.18pre21-compact/net/wd.o: insmod wd failed I had to type that in, so barring my typing mistakes, that's the message. Those are the same parameters that work for the RedHat boot. And it does *seem* that I am using the right module. wd.o, right? I also tried different combinations of including or excluding io/irq/mem/mem_end. Any thoughts on this? Any ways that I can get debian on a 386 with only a floppy and network card? Craig > > Can you install the base system? Then try to modprobe wd from command > line and post the resulting error message(s). > > Install kernel docs and check the correct command-line options for wd > module (net-modules.txt in Documentation/networking). (Also, if this is > your primary NI, compile wd driver in the kernel.) > > Dima > -- > E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net > (@home) > http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public > key > The wombat is a mixture of chalk and clay used for respiration.-- MegaHal > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > - Craig Jones, M.Sc. c/o MS/MRI Research Group PhD Student, Dept. of Physics Suite 211 - 2386 East Mall Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Gerald McGavin Building Phone: (604) 822-0760 Vancouver, BC V6T 1Z3 Fax: (604) 822-7877 Alt: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 7621052 --
Re: Progeny Debian
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 07:52:44PM -0500, Bud Rogers wrote: > On Wednesday 11 April 2001 19:37, Rob VanFleet wrote: > > Did you file a bug report with them? It's the least you could do. > > Good grief, Rob. Didn't anyone ever teach you how to trim quotes? Oh no, another flamewar in the making :) (I made this point a few weeks ago and was shouted donw by some folks who claim that full quotes are the only way to go.) Cheers, -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgp9tqrznt3mJ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Debian install on RAID hardware
Hello everyone, I'm not exactly sure if this question should be posted to this list, or to another more specific list. If so, do let me know. The organization I belong to just received a new Dell PowerEdge 1400 with the PercRAID 2/DC dual channel RAID card. Current plans are to use this machine to replace an old server. This question has probably been addressed before but I'll go ahead and ask. We would like to know what needs to get done for Debian to see and install on this machine... I've had a previous experience with a similar config on a seperate Dell server with RedHat (in fact very similar). The solution there was to use RH7 or a 2.4 kernel. Where would I get a Debian install disk that ran 2.4? We've already scoured the web for information pertaining to the install phase. In fact, we were able to download driver disks to successfully see the RAID card during boot. Before that, the machine just hung while probing the card. Once we were able to get to the installer screen, the other problem we ran into came during partitioning. The installer didn't even see a disk. I'm not quite sure what we are missing. My guess is that we would have to partition the logical RAID volume to be recognized by the installer. I haven't had the time to search through /dev or dmesg to see if a device comes up. I'm guessing that I could try doing it that way, finding the device and then trying to initiallize the drive from a console shell after the installer has come up... Yes? My other approach is to find a spare disk, insert it into the machine and attempt to install on a non-RAID volume. This brings me to the question, can Debian be installed on a RAID volume? If anyone has had any previous experience getting this card to work under Debian, some advice would be appreciated. Sorry for the long-winded e-mail; Thanks, --Raf --- Rafael A. Hinojosa [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: HELP - CS423x sound config and Debian Potato...
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 08:35:42AM +0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... > Any help here to get it started (either ALSA or sndconfig or modprobe I'm > not fussy :-) would be greatly appreciated. > > I tried google and read many suggestions (all of them reflected by my attempts > above), but to no avail. > > Could some kind soul please help me? I have looked through debian-user's > archives till Aug. 2000 but nothing on this was ever mentioned. Ok, lets see... If you have make-kpkg, gcc and friends installed, install alsa-source, cd /usr/src ; tar -zxvf alsa-driver.tar.gz ; cd modules/alsa-driver ; ./configure --with-cards=cs4232 ; cd /usr/src/linux ; env MODULES_LOC=/usr/src/modules make-kpkg modules_image ; cd .. ; dpkg -i alsa-modules-* Then do /etc/init.d/alsa start. Dima -- E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home) http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key I'm going to exit now since you don't want me to replace the printcap. If you change your mind later, run -- magicfilter config script
Re: xcdroast and devfs
> "Christoph" == Christoph Simon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christoph> xcdroast on unstable seems to be severly broken these Christoph> days. It requires setgid bits to be set, but gtk libs Christoph> seem to refuse working for security reasons. Also all Christoph> external helper programs changed version, hindering Christoph> xcdroast to even start. I fixed it for me using the Christoph> command line tools :) Is it possible to copy a CD using command line tools? (for legal reasons of course) -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
csj writes: > To open a new app you have to click at the desktop (or is there some > abstruse keyboard shortcut?) Yes. Type the name of the app into a terminal. Suffix a '&' if you don't want it to take over the terminal. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] (John Hasler) Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, WI
Re: xcdroast and devfs
> "Ethan" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ethan> thats because any X program that requires root privileges Ethan> is broken by design. the GUI part should run unprivileged Ethan> and use a small non-GUI backend to perform the privileged Ethan> stuff. getting the root password via a ssh-askpass style Ethan> system, or in a cdrecording setup just using a setuid Ethan> cdrecord or similar. Ethan> running GUI code as root is retarded. xcdroast doesn't require root (unstable version; according to the documentation), but the Debian package doesn't work properly straight out of the box yet (I think there are already bugs about this, but I didn't look at the details). The only reason I ran it as root was to try and minimise the problems encountered when testing it. Also it is being run on a NFS-Root system, with /usr, /bin, /lib, /sbin mounted read-only, /dev on devfs, so the damage it could cause is mostly limited to /var, /home, /etc (hmmm... the paranoid could/should mount the last two as read-only too). -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Re: Progeny Debian
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 19:37, Rob VanFleet wrote: > Did you file a bug report with them? It's the least you could do. Good grief, Rob. Didn't anyone ever teach you how to trim quotes? -- Bud Rogers <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.sirinet.net/~budr All things in moderation. And not too much moderation either.
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
csj wrote: ... > Which brings me to my favorite lite-wm peeve. Why do most of them > lack a persistent menu/taskbar? Take Blackbox (a favorite from the > posts I have read). To open a new app you have to click at the > desktop (or is there some abstruse keyboard shortcut?) to bring up > the app-ropriate menu The problem: how do you click at the desktop > when you have a maximized app filling the screen? Ditto for > WindowMaker (though I have found out there's a keyboard shortcut). > > Here's one problem the Windows folks have solved pretty well. A > menu/taskbar that lets you launch apps and Amazon through them. fvwm can be configured to do almost everything - you can have keyboard shortcuts, panel (with icon manager, launch menu, launch buttons, almost any X application swallowed (I wouldn't recommend swallowing staroffice though:-) etc...) etc... the only problem is that I still do not know the full functionality of fvwm:-) the configuration is via config file(s) mostly but there is already a fairly sophisticated theme engine (you can change different parts separately, e.g. change window decorations look but not keyboard shortcuts etc.) ready for next version (usable but beta)... erik
Re: Progeny Debian
Did you file a bug report with them? It's the least you could do. -Rob On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 12:55:10PM -0700, Forrest English wrote: > i tried it. here's a message i sent to my lug. > > "alright, i gave it a shot. i repeal my defense of progeny. > > wanna know how to break a progeny install, even one from scratch really > fast? uncheck installing gnome. tell it you don't want sawfish... > > boom. dependancy hell, which i tried for a good 20 minutes to get apt to > correct properly. which it wouldn't. some garbage about esound, and > sawfish, and and... well, it goes on. yes, i probably could have fixed > it. but it's not worth that kind of trouble on a fresh system. fresh > systems should work after install. am i incorrect? > > oh, it didn't setup x properly in the install.i had to run xf86config > afterwards. > > yes, i could install gnome i guess... but... > > i'm a blackbox user, and use that and lots of gtk apps. but, i do not > use anything that requires bunches of gnome libs. i know what apps i > want, and like, and that about does it. if progeny essentially forces > me to end up with a bloated install... well, it won't be finding my > support anytime soon. > > ah well, was worth it just to satisfy curiousity. just pop in a debian > cd and rerun lilo to fix the mess it made with grub. > > what is the point of making an 'easier debian', when debian is easier > than this. > > " > > > i think it's a great idea, often times lately, i'd like a nice gui > configuration center for setting up a printer, or samba or somthing. > but...if the install won't let me do what i want. i think i'm going > to > have to stick with plain debian and like it. i hope they get some of > those issues worked out. i really do think it's a good idea. > > On Tue, 10 Apr 2001 15:29:04 -0400 (EDT), Net Owl whispered to the > router: > > !!Hey Users... > !! I caught this article over at /. that other day. It > !! was discussing Progeny Debian. It seems kinda like a > !! neat Idea...What does the list think? Any ideas? > !! anyone already tried it? > !! Thanks, > !! --Net Owl > !! > !! "Linux: Because a PC is a terrible thing to waste" > !! > !! "I guess then, that he had had other experiances with > !! Valis, as he called him. As a matter of fact, he had > !! had other experiances with Valis, as he called him." > !! --Phillip K Dick "Radio Free Albemuth" > !! > !! > - > !! This mail sent through Atlantic.Net Webmail: > http://webmail.atlantic.net/ > !! > !! > > -- > Forrest English > http://truffula.net > > "When we have nothing left to give > There will be no reason for us to live > But when we have nothing left to lose > You will have nothing left to use" > -Fugazi > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] >
HELP - CS423x sound config and Debian Potato...
HI all, Have a problem with sound cards containing these chips. Problem Description 2.2.18pre15 kernel already had a cs4232.o to load but failed with "device or resource busy" error. 1. tried "modprobe cs4232 io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma=0" 2. response "Device or resource busy"; "insmod failed" 3. tried alsaconf (tried cs4232 and cs423x drivers) with above settings + MPU-401 irq=5, pnp io=0x120, DMA size (4k and 64k) 4. response "alsa driver was not loaded" 5. tried sndconfig 6. response "cannot detect card, specify manually" 7. specify in sndconfig io=0x534 irq=5 dma=1 dma=0 mpu=0x330 mpu irq=5 8. response "sound related drivers already in /etc/modules.conf"; "delete appropriate files in /etc/modutils and re-run update modutils" Here's my PC setup: DELL Optiplex GX1 Pentium III-500 192Mb RAM 15GB Hard Disk (Win98, 2 partitions) 4GB Hard Disk (Linux) Sound Chip (Crystal-423x, as reported by Progeny Install), on motherboard Here's my LInux setup --- 1. Installed Potato 2. Installed Helix Gnome (now Ximian) 3. Installed Progeny 1.0 Kernel: 2.2.18pre15 Boot: using GRUB Modules Installed: AC97 codec OSS Sound Support OSS SoundCore Yamaha (or something) MPU-401 support Sound-related software installed: - Alsaconf 0.4.x (latest from apt-get) sndconfig Sound "card" settings as reported by Win 98 (Device Manager) - Cyrstal Codec: I/O 0x534 - 0x537 IRQ 5 DMA 1 DMA 0 I/O 0x388 - 0x38B Crystal System Control registers: I/O 0xF00 - 0xF07 MPU-401: I/O 0x330 - 0x331 Any help here to get it started (either ALSA or sndconfig or modprobe I'm not fussy :-) would be greatly appreciated. I tried google and read many suggestions (all of them reflected by my attempts above), but to no avail. Could some kind soul please help me? I have looked through debian-user's archives till Aug. 2000 but nothing on this was ever mentioned. I really would like to get sound up and running. I appear to have exhausted most of the web on this topic. Please, please, please, someone help. I think Debian's great for all other software installations, but sound support on debian is not as automated as I would have liked it to be. Thanks for your attention and time. Best regards Carl Tan.
Re: xcdroast and devfs
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:26:20PM -0300, Christoph Simon wrote: > On 12 Apr 2001 10:05:40 +1000 > Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > xcdroast from unstable might fix this(?), but I can't even get it to > > run. (it warns that certain executables aren't setgid, even when run > > as root, and that cdrecord is either too old or too new). > > xcdroast on unstable seems to be severly broken these days. It > requires setgid bits to be set, but gtk libs seem to refuse working > for security reasons. Also all external helper programs changed > version, hindering xcdroast to even start. I fixed it for me using > the command line tools :) thats because any X program that requires root privileges is broken by design. the GUI part should run unprivileged and use a small non-GUI backend to perform the privileged stuff. getting the root password via a ssh-askpass style system, or in a cdrecording setup just using a setuid cdrecord or similar. running GUI code as root is retarded. -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgppmUMH58GEG.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
On Thursday 12 April 2001 07:44, Karsten M. Self wrote: > on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:05:21PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > hmmm, i don't think you're missing anything, X does indeed > > provide a graphicall shell to run a gui on, i'll have to rephrase > > my question to, does anyone know a GOOD desktop that doesn't > > weigh a TON on an older system. Or more precisely, an environment > > where you don't have to manually configure your menu's, that's a > > plus in the windows os desktop you know > > > > maybe i just need a good read on X and gui's ? any resource would > > be welcome ... > > Debian configures most menus for you. Unless you forgot to (didn't) install menu. > WindowMaker, my preference. Gratuitous screenshots at > http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Images/Desktop/ It's running very > happily on my PPro 180MHz/256MB system (at 96MB until November > 2000). > > Other good middlin' options include BlackBox, SawFish (formerly > SawMill). Purists often tend toward fvwm2. You missed my favorite icewm (in 3 flavors - -gnome -lite). The most Windows-like wm (not counting KDE's). Which brings me to my favorite lite-wm peeve. Why do most of them lack a persistent menu/taskbar? Take Blackbox (a favorite from the posts I have read). To open a new app you have to click at the desktop (or is there some abstruse keyboard shortcut?) to bring up the app-ropriate menu The problem: how do you click at the desktop when you have a maximized app filling the screen? Ditto for WindowMaker (though I have found out there's a keyboard shortcut). Here's one problem the Windows folks have solved pretty well. A menu/taskbar that lets you launch apps and Amazon through them.
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 07:23:06AM +0800, csj wrote: > On Wednesday 11 April 2001 16:06, Ethan Benson wrote: > > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:52:54PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > > now MacOS X, which is housetrained Unix, [...] > > > > thats not what i would call it. i would call it a neutered Unix > > thats been run over by a truck. > > > Strong words. What makes you say that? Just curious. i tried the beta and looked at the final. if you want a *nix system OSX isn't it. basically don't beleive all the rubbish on slashdot where everyone thinks OSX is just FreeBSD + better GUI on a powerpc. its not. the unix layer is crippled and broken, and the GUI isn't any better then gnome or KDE IMO. (it may have better eye candy but thats different) -- Ethan Benson http://www.alaska.net/~erbenson/ pgphBwvm4PDzq.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xcdroast and devfs
On 12 Apr 2001 10:05:40 +1000 Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > xcdroast from unstable might fix this(?), but I can't even get it to > run. (it warns that certain executables aren't setgid, even when run > as root, and that cdrecord is either too old or too new). xcdroast on unstable seems to be severly broken these days. It requires setgid bits to be set, but gtk libs seem to refuse working for security reasons. Also all external helper programs changed version, hindering xcdroast to even start. I fixed it for me using the command line tools :) -- Christoph Simon [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- ^X^C q quit :q ^C end x exit ZZ ^D ? help shit .
Re: Linux fpr HP Apollo 715/50
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001, Andreas Bartsch wrote: > where can I get Linux for this hardware on a bootable cd? > > Thanks in advance > Andreas Hi Andreas, I don't think you can get Linux support for HP PA Risc at the same level of maturity as that for most other platforms that Linux runs on. But check out the project to implement it: http://www.parisc-linux.org Also, you can get alpha-quality iso's at: ftp://puffin.external.hp.com/pub/parisc/cd-images/ Supposedly, Debian will host these upon release. Hope this helps and take care, Daniel > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Daniel A. Freedman Laboratory for Atomic and Solid State Physics Department of Physics Cornell University
videoconferencing
Hi, I'v been searching through the debian-user archives for information on how to set up my camera to do videoconferencing (or anything to start with really) and have gleaned some useful information, but I was wondering if anyone could tell me where I should look for general documentation on the relavent software such as V4L, xawtv, camera, and drivers for specific cameras. I have an IBM PC Camera, and I'v found some documentation for it but really only enough to know that people have gotten it to work successfuly in the past and drivers exist. Any information on where to look for more documentation on anythign relavent would be appreciated, I have no problems with learning more than the bare minimum to get this working, so please, more input! :) Thanks, -Dan P.S. Please CC replies directly to me, I can't handle the volume of the list and rely on archives. Thanks :)
Re: Help!
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:59:21PM -, david llanos ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: DON'T send HTML email to list. DO use a meaningful subject line. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgprS0g0mrhUF.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: xcdroast and devfs
> "Ethan" == Ethan Benson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Ethan> it wants /dev/sg[0-16] these are the scsi generic devices. Ethan> which im sure devfs renamed to something rediculously long Ethan> and ugly. Looks fine to me: [503] [pluto:bam] ~ >ls -l /dev/sg* lr-xr-xr-x1 root root 36 Apr 12 2001 /dev/sg0 -> scsi/host0/bus0/target6/lun0/generic Of course I don't have /dev/sg1 though - this computer only has 1 scsi adaptor. I suspect xcdroast may be enforcing rules it does not need to enforce. xcdroast from unstable might fix this(?), but I can't even get it to run. (it warns that certain executables aren't setgid, even when run as root, and that cdrecord is either too old or too new). -- Brian May <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Help!
Hello! About DEBIAN. I have problems to configure my PC to make conexion PPP, like USER i have no problems but "like a SERVER it doesn't work". Could you help me, sending to me what files i have to configure? Thanks! David Llanos Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Problems building gmmusic on stable
I'm trying to build the nice looking music library application gmmusic on my stable machien. Unfortunately I'm having problems with the perl modules. It comes with a script that is supposed to download from CPAN, and install the correct modules. Unfortunatley after it claims to succed in doing this, the resultant make fails to find them: Checking for PgPg not installed. Checking for Gnome 0.7003 ...found Checking for Gtk::HandyCList...found Checking for CDDB_get...found Checking for Locale::gettext...found Checking for Storable...found --- Testing for perl module dependencies... Checking for PgPg not installed. Checking for Gnome 0.7003 Gnome 0.7003 not installed. Checking for Gtk::HandyCListGtk::HandyCList not installed. Checking for CDDB_getCDDB_get not installed. Checking for Locale::gettextLocale::gettext not installed. Checking for StorableStorable not installed. Please run (as root) bin/testdeps.pl and follow the instructions make: *** [all] Error 1 Migth this be a ptaing error? I installed using the CPAN scriptin /usr/local. -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.
Duda!
Hola! Sobre DEBIAN. Tengo problemas al configurar mi maquina para que haga conexiones PPP, como usuario me puedo conectar sin problemas .pero como SERVIDOR no funciona, la llamada llega al modem pero luego no hay respuesta de mi servidor. Me podrían ayudar mandandome cómo y qué archivos debo de configurar? Gracias! David Llanos Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: FW: OT : GUI Interfaces
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:05:21PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > hmmm, i don't think you're missing anything, X does indeed provide a > graphicall shell to run a gui on, i'll have to rephrase my question > to, does anyone know a GOOD desktop that doesn't weigh a TON on an > older system. Or more precisely, an environment where you don't have > to manually configure your menu's, that's a plus in the windows os > desktop you know > > maybe i just need a good read on X and gui's ? any resource would be > welcome ... Debian configures most menus for you. WindowMaker, my preference. Gratuitous screenshots at http://kmself.home.netcom.com/Images/Desktop/ It's running very happily on my PPro 180MHz/256MB system (at 96MB until November 2000). Other good middlin' options include BlackBox, SawFish (formerly SawMill). Purists often tend toward fvwm2. There's a good overview of window managers at the Window Managers for X page: http://www.plig.org/xwinman/ -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpxEgfyCf63x.pgp Description: PGP signature
Funny Story
I don't know if this story is true or not, but I hope it is. A guy who is our sys admin said he read on a sys admin type mailing list that the crew of the International Space Station are having some computer problems just like a lot us down here on earth. It seems that the U.S. provided computers running AIX and Win NT. A Win NT computer is being used as an SMTP server. Apparently the crew are becoming experienced Win NT sys admins because they are having all kinds of problems with the SMTP server. The Russians brought computers running Linux. They seem not to be having SMTP server problems. As I said, I heard this third hand and have no idea if its true or not. It was probably started by a bunch of Linux college geeks, I don't know. Someone from NASA will probably roast me alive...
Linux fpr HP Apollo 715/50
where can I get Linux for this hardware on a bootable cd? Thanks in advance Andreas
Re: ssh problems
no im trying to ssh to a machine on the network, but those are the errors i am getting im assuming it is sshd although im not entirely certain what could be causing the error but ill try what you said adios
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Wednesday 11 April 2001 16:06, Ethan Benson wrote: > On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 10:52:54PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > now MacOS X, which is housetrained Unix, [...] > > thats not what i would call it. i would call it a neutered Unix > thats been run over by a truck. Strong words. What makes you say that? Just curious.
Re: combo GUI/text mail client
> "Brandon" == Brandon High <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> * netscape and pine don't (can't?) share addressbooks, so they >> either get out of sync, or require more attention than one would >> like to offer them Brandon> Probably the ugliest point. You could over engineer it and Brandon> use OpenLDAP to store address books - most modern mail Brandon> clients can do lookups against LDAP. I'm not this Brandon> brave/foolish, and I don't need to be. I have a small Brandon> address book. interesting. I have actually set up openldap a few times, and while it's certainly not for the faint-hearted it didn't seem all that difficult. does mutt do LDAP? -- joe
Re: ssh problems
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 02:19:43PM +1000, Tomaas Ortega ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > hey guys > im getting these errors when running ssh i was wondering if anyone could help > me > > > debug1: sshd version OpenSSH_2.5.2p2 > debug1: load_private_key_autodetect: type 0 RSA1 > Disabling protocol version 2. Could not load host key > debug1: Bind to port 22 on 0.0.0.0. > > all keygens are installed as well as sshd and rsa and dsa > im stumped as to what it could be > any help would be greatly appreciated Sorry, that ssh or sshd you're trying to run? Why don't you provide *both* the command and the error output? Looks like you've got a problem with your host key. Grepping through the sshd man page, I'd start looking at /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key and see if there are problems with the file -- does it exist, what permissions? -rw---1 root root 543 Mar 12 22:32 /etc/ssh/ssh_host_key Read the sshd manpage and try a Google search. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpku1M62FHcY.pgp Description: PGP signature
portmap: too small RPC?
Anybody have any thoughts on what's causing the following message and how to correct it? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: makesock failed, error=-5 portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: no pid, 2 users?? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: no pid, 3 users?? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: no pid, 4 users?? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: no pid, 5 users?? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) lockd_up: no pid, 6 users?? portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) portmap: too small RPC reply size (0 bytes) -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
iptables logging?
Hi all, This is just something that's getting slightly annoying - iptables is refusing to log to /var/log/*. Runnning dmesg I can see all the iptables reports, so its logging to the kernel, just syslog is ignoring it (?). My /var/log/messages entry in /etc/syslog.conf is as follows: *.=info;*.=notice;*.=warn;\ auth,authpriv.none;\ cron,daemon.none;\ mail,news.none -/var/log/messages What do I need to add so syslog passes the iptables messages into the log? Many thanks for any help, Adam James -- The true Southern watermelon is a boon apart, and not to be mentioned with commoner things. It is chief of the world's luxuries, king by the grace of God over all the fruits of the earth. When one has tasted it, he knows what the angels eat. It was not a Southern watermelon that Eve took; we know it because she repented. -- Mark Twain, "Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar"
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:46:05PM -0400, Glenn Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > I have followed this discussion with great interest. It's been really > lively! :-) Yathink? > But the soul of the experience (if I can use that crappy tattered > word) is experiment: of trying things out and seeing what they do. Bing-fucking-o. You just nailed it in one sentence, Glenn. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgp9JkzbtlQbt.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Should dumb, lazy people be encouraged to use Linux?
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:30:21PM -0500, will trillich ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:36:25AM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:25:16AM -0400, Kevin Stokes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) > > wrote: > > > > GNU/Linux is a grown-up's operating system. You're expected to know > > > > your way around, or be able to figure it out. > > > > > > I'm sorry, but the 'You're dumb or lazy or both' argument will not fly. > > > There is an easily-correctable problem with Linux, and I hope the good > > > people who devote so much time to Linux will see that. > > > > ...and what are you going to do to me personally if this isn't fixed. > > > > Sorry, again, you've had your question answered. Turns out I'd written > > a short guide addressing just the problem you had. There's a project > > underway to do what it is you're addressing. And there are several > > viewpoints challenging your assessment of the quality of the alternative > > -- the Legacy MS Windows help system -- you've identified. > > > > You're about -> <- this far away from hitting my killfile as timesink. > > Your future benefit from this list will suffer from your attitude. > > wow. i've never seen karsten this close to over-the-edge with > anybody. (at least we now know he's human, finally.) There's a really narrow grey zone. I usually give people one or two chances. Then it's "fool me twice, shame on me." Other behaviors don't even warrant that. Spam, vacation autoresponders, utterly rude or obnoxious behavior -- any email is four keystrokes away from my spam filter, which has...396 entries[1]. There's plenty of room there. More often than not, this is an unremarked on event. Being an idiot gets you silently shitcanned, be warned. Which is part of the point -- those ignorant of the 'Net's ways may assume that all's fair and anything goes, with no consequences. Truth: reputations are made faster and easier than you can imagine, and once set, are very difficult to change. I shoot for firm but fair, speaking openly, and try to be informative. Feedback tends to say I'm doing a fair job. And, yes, I've benefitted directly from my online rep for much of the past ten years -- the 'Net is an awesome way for a bright kid in any backwood of the world to make a literally worldwide reputation. What reputation, and to what end, is his/her own affair. Kevin may have an outside shot of becoming housebroken. I wouldn't bet good money on it, but I'll throw a few bytes to the cause of his mortal soul. Cheers. Notes: 1. In fairness, I also have a whitelist, with 752 entries. Seems the forces of good outweigh the forces of evil, by a good margin. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpw3ppCTGxWZ.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: vim intro (was water, water everywhere...)
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, D-Man wrote: > > | wanna write up a vim intro at sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/? > I wrote a short 'vi' intro for 'newbiedoc'. Feel free to add any '(g)vim' extension you can think of. The html vi doc: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/proposed-update.rom1/newbiedoc/vi.html The sgml source code: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/newbiedoc/text_editing/vi.sgml?cvsroot=newbiedoc check here: http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/ for any info about how we work, what we do, etc... > Can I write it in LaTeX? We decided to write all our doc in sgml (docbook) format, so that we can easily compile it into [a lot of] other formats. However, as Will said, you can write a 'latex' doc if want. I'm typing a report in LaTeX at work, using gvim and MikTeX (which is latex for dos/windows) just to show my colleagues what is a REAL word processor. See you, Romain
Re: newbiedoc, vim and latex
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 03:47:10PM -0500, will trillich wrote: | On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:18:08PM -0400, D-Man wrote: | > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:59:02PM -0500, will trillich wrote: | > | i think vim is abominable, deplorable and inconsiderate. it uses | > | modes for this, modes for that... and i wouldn't ever consider | > | using anything else. | > | > Come to think of it, emacs has more modes that vim ;-). (python-mode | > c-mode this-mode that-mode) | | vim has those types of modes, too -- perl highlighting, C Note the winking smiley. I know the modes are of a different nature, but use the same name. I just thought it funny that a modeless editor has so many modes. | > | wanna write up a vim intro at sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/? | > | > Can I write it in LaTeX? I want to learn to use latex effectively. | | i think some of the folks a newbiedoc are using latex. i'm just | myself now getting up on sgml, so latex is way beyond me! (maybe | you can write a newbiedoc intro for latex soon?) Tobias Oetiker is (at least appears to be ;-)) an expert. He already wrote the intro : http://ee-staff.ethz.ch/~oetiker/lshort/ It is titled "The Not So Short Introduction to LaTeX2e, or LaTeX2e in 90 minutes". (It appears that the time has changed in various editions of the doc) There is the LaTeX source and PS, PDF, and also HTML versions available. His doc is what I am using. I also need to find a good up-to-date reference that explains the details and quirks of some of the macros. -D
Re: OT : GUI Interfaces
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 09:42:30PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > -Original Message- > From: Karsten M. Self [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: woensdag 11 april 2001 20:31 > To: 'debian-user@lists.debian.org' > Subject: Re: OT : GUI Interfaces > > > > > > on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:20:45PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > > Does anyone know of a non X GUI interface wich has a number of > > > applications ported to it ? I keep wondering if X is the answer to > > > Gui's for linux, it is after all a hefty piece of software to run > > > ... This question comes from reading up on AtheOS wich uses a > > > proprietary interface wich is reportedly working very well and > > > fast ... > > > > > > Since X is, after all those years, not the most userfriendly piece > > > of software i'm looking for something else, if available. > > > > X isn't a GUI, it's a network-enabled window management system. And > > you probably don't grasp its strengths. > > > > If you mean "does anyone know of a GUI development toolkit that's > > not specific to X", the answer becomes: Tcl/Tk and Qt. > > > > I suspect, however, that the question has some degree of confusion > > over its own identity and direction. > > > > Cheers. > Although i must admit to have written a somewhat technically confusing > mail i thought my point would come across, since i was referring to ^ Problems with your shift key? > AtheOS wich does NOT use X to build it's interface. Didn't know that > did ya ! Should you have known this you wouldn't bother pointing out > someones apparent ignorance wich seems to be a hobby of yours. AtheOS, as I've since learned from other sources, is a free clone of BeOS. I assume its graphics subsystem is similar, though I admit near total ignorance of BeOS as well. > Yes, X is a network enabled window managment system wich allows a > client to run the interface of it's liking and allows remote logins to > a server over the network and so on wich is very nice for people > collaborating on projects, you don't believe your eyes the first time > you see that kind of functionality in action (i didn't), beats M$ > TerminalServer. But name me more than one or even ONE public service > that uses these 'strengths'. Most "public" services these days are HTML based. Future directions may vary, but you're likely to see a variant of tagged content with rendering at the client side moving forward. The public aspect of the service has nothing, nada, zero, zilch, to do with the display aspect. OTOH, I can think of many applications I've used which benefit greatly from the ability to export all display aspects to a remote display server > It IS a fantastic system, indeed, but it weighs on your computers > resources. You are ignorant of what you speak. > Also, what's the use for those strenghts i cannot grasp in a > stand-alone configuration? As with others, I have few standalone systems. I'm typing currently on my laptop on an rxvt session served out from my desktop, which might be in the same room, or around the world. ...speaking of which, how do you access these public services of yours on your standalone systems? > But that i did not mention, that's true. > I apparently understand the potential of X but i don't have to grasp > it's strenghts since i'm working in a stand-alone environment and do > not work with this type of environment in a . This still is a public > mailinglist you know, even dumb people can post a mail :) Ain't that the truth. BTW, ignorance is not a crime. I expect people to make mistakes. I'd prefer them to make lots of them. Very few times each. > I'm not a developper and thus not interested in Tcl/Tk or Qt to write > my own Gui, though i would feel tempted if i could. I'm not that a > talented person. Don't understand how you came up with this. Then what the hell are you asking about? X is a display protocol. It has problems, none of which have been identified by you. Behavior, policy, and appearance of the display is fully independent of the subsystem itself. This is where toolkits and the like come it. You're ignorant of these facts, yet you're advising us on what future directions for GNU/Linux GUI development. If you're going to inform us, seek to be informed first. Cheers. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpDy4kGa8Fm6.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Passive mode FTP?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001 18:24:00 -0400 (EDT), Stan Brown said: > Whats the magic environment variable to get ftp to use FTP mode? Possibly a stupid answer, but use pftp rather than ftp. -- An honest tale speeds best being plainly told. -- William Shakespeare, "Henry VI"
Re: Fw: su in X
on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:05:16AM +0100, Dave Whiteley ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > On 11-Apr-2001 Karsten M. Self wrote: > > on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 10:49:18AM +0100, Dave Whiteley > > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > >> I had a similar problem a bit ago. I seem to recall that I fixed > >> it > >> by making root's ~/.Xauthority file a symbolic link to "my" > >> version > >> of the same file. > > > > Don't do that. > > > > Instead, as root: > > > > $ xauth -merge ~$user/.xauthority > > > > ...for appropriate values of $user. > > > Thanks, I thought it sounded horrid. > > I presume that this is a one off fix. You need to do it each time you > su? > > Dave No, xauth writes the appropriate values to root's .xauthority file. Until the user changes the value authorization cookie value, you won't have to re-run xauth. You *will* have to set the DISPLAY value for root to run X apps. My preference in this instance on workstations is to set up my user account as an unrestricted sudo user so that I can run commands with root access with: $ sudo command ...in which case, for X applications, all authorization is automatically set. This doesn't work in some instances for programs which expect to run under a full root environment, though usually this just means your PATH doesn't include the appropriate sbin directories. There's probably a hack for this, I just haven't been bothered by it. -- Karsten M. Self http://kmself.home.netcom.com/ What part of "Gestalt" don't you understand? There is no K5 cabal http://gestalt-system.sourceforge.net/ http://www.kuro5hin.org pgpQuOtiIUIk9.pgp Description: PGP signature
Passive mode FTP?
Whats the magic environment variable to get ftp to use FTP mode? -- Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]843-745-3154 Charleston SC. -- Windows 98: n. useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition. - (c) 2000 Stan Brown. Redistribution via the Microsoft Network is prohibited.
Re: gtcd/sound problems
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > Hello, > > When trying to play gtcd I get "error playing cd"...but it's an audio cd (an > introduction to classical music)..what is wrong here? > > Also, when I try to play login.wav (gnome's file) no sound is coming out...I > have unmuted the mixer via gamix, mixer and pcm oss drivers are loaded > together with the soundcard..speaker is connected properly...what else could > I have missed? The easiest case is this is a permissions problem on the device. 1. Get a terminal and login in as root. 2. Run gtcd at the command line and if it works then it is a permission problem. If not your sound modules are not working. 3. To add permissions to normal devices you may want to use as your normal login, use the following command which adds the user to each of the following groups. adduser dialout - repeat for - floppy tty cdrom disk audio video This will also allow you to get start up sounds etc. Hope this helps, Eric :-)
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Kevin Stokes writes: > There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am not > one of them. Then why should those people care about you? > I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest hours of my time > writing doc. Then invest your money. There are plenty of consultants around. > I thought the Free Software people didn't want payment,... Where did you get that idea? We let you use our software without payment because it costs us nothing to do so. Answering your questions and helping you solve your individual problems, on the other hand, costs us some of our time. You can pay us back in either time (i.e., writing that doc) or money (i.e., hire one of us as a consultant). > However, it really struck me that a crucial ingredient to Linux's success > is missing. That's a matter of opinion. Not everyone values "market share". > Linux is painful for newbies, and there is no good reason for it. THis has been said before, many times. Some people care, and are working on it. Some don't care. > I will no doubt need more help... Unless you are prepared to either return the favor or pay consulting fees, you will only get it on a whim. Fortunately for you, many people have such whims. -- John Hasler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dancing Horse Hill Elmwood, Wisconsin
folder highlightning in Pine ?
Hi, I'm a new user with pine email (Have allways used a graphical program), but was impressed to see the program 'simplicity' and speed, so I desided to try it out my self. I've set up some filters in Pine to control the incoming mails into the right folders. But as soon as I got more than a couple of these folders it gets a bit confuseble. So I was wondering if it was possible to get the folder highlighted when a new mail arrived to it ? It's a bit irritating to go though each folder when a new mail arrives. Hope anyone could assists, best regards Allan Andersen
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
Hello Glenn and All, I just wanted to say "Ditto, couldn't have said it better myself." I don't touch Windows at all anymore myself. It'd be way to boring for me now. I don't know what I'd do without all the exciting, fun,(and to me, important) concepts that I have learned by using Linux. I was thrilled to see an OS appear that is actually opened up the doors and not only allows you to see and tweak what's going on behind the scenes(with the exception of some proprietary software, such as my own NVidia graphics card driver) but encourages it. But yeah... there's a lot to be learned. So it may not be for everyone. But to me if you really want to learn what all a computer can do and how it does it, Linux is the best. Ditto Glenn's post here!, Jimmy Richards On Wednesday 11 April 2001 15:46, Glenn Becker wrote: > I have followed this discussion with great interest. It's been really > lively! :-) > > I hardly consider myself to have achieved 'power user' status. I started > with Slackware Linux in late 1998. At this time I never touch Windows and > do not miss it. > > My initial reaction to what was -- I do not argue -- an avalanche of > things-to-learn often *did* swing over to the "totally overwhelmed > and frustrated" side of things; *however,* I did and still do feel that > the *challenge* of overcoming the problems to the best of my abilities has > been the most exciting and profitable learning experience I have ever > enjoyed. > > I say this happily granting that it may not be for everyone. It especially > may not be "right" if what you are doing is a Something that has to get > done tomorrow. On the other hand, if what you're looking for is a new way > to see and to use the box at your feet (or by your side, or ...) there is > no better way to go that I know of ... it is truly transforming. > > This is not an apology for allusive, obfuscatory or even "bad" writing in > docs. I've seen my share of that. But the soul of the experience (if I can > use that crappy tattered word) is experiment: of trying things out and > seeing what they do. I've not been nearly brave or smart enough, but my > experience with various Linux-es, and especially Debian, has made me a > much more effective do-er. > > Glenn Becker > Online Producer, Community > SCIFI.COM > > At 5:00pm on Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kevin Stokes wrote: > > >> imagine how much hair-pulling you'll save the next poor soul if > > > > > > you document what you learned... hmm?< > > > > > > Ahh, but I'm not a Linux or Free-Software devotee. > > > > This is where you lose the sympathy of a lot of people. You've > > identified a problem and you want other people to spend their time and > > energy on it but you're not willing to spend any yourself. Will > > suggested an eminently sensible solution, you said you couldn't be > > bothered.< > > > > There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am > > not one of them. I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest > > hours of my time writing doc. > > > > You may think of me a selfish bastard, because I want to use Linux, but > > I don't want to help build it. My viewpoint is different. I thought > > the Free Software people didn't want payment, but now I'm supposed to > > have a guilt trip if I don't write doc? > > > > Or perhaps it is because I have a suggestion, that makes me a selfish > > bastard? I'm hardly suggesting newbie doc because I expect somebody to > > write it and give to me. By the time anybody had a decent Linux help > > system done, I would either be enough of an expert to not need it, or > > have dumped Linux a long time ago. > > > > As I said, I merely installed Linux on a resurrected computer that had > > been retired as a lark. I'm not a devotee. However, it really struck > > me that a crucial ingredient to Linux's success is missing. What I'm > > trying to do is be helpful. Kind of like saying, 'Hey, pal, I don't know > > if you noticed or not, but your boots are the wrong feet.' > > > > THe response might be. 'Shut up, you loser. I can wear my boots on my > > hands if I want to.', or the response might be, 'So that's why my boots > > haven't been that successful. They hurt my feet like crazy!'. In > > either case, I wouldn't help the man take of his boots and put them on > > the right way, and most men wouldn't want my help. > > > > Linux is painful for newbies, and there is no good reason for it. And > > this hurts the acceptance of Linux.Anyway, I will now shut up about > > it. Thanks again for all the time and energy you have spent helping me, > > and I hope I have not earned a reputation as a pariah who is stupid, lazy > > and selfish, since I will no doubt need more help... > > > > > > Kevin Stokes > > > > > > > > > > -- > > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > > [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Fw: su in X
Lo, on Wednesday, April 11, Erik van der Meulen did write: > Dear list, this should be easy, but I have not managed yet... > I run Gnome desktop as a 'regular' user. If I need to do systemsmanagment, I > do 'su -' in a terminal to get root access. Only if I need to start an X app > (just installed red-carper), I get an error: > > Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: > > Can anyone suggest how to avoid this? I recall something with export > display, but do not get it to work... Please do read the rest of this thread about access permissions and X authority, as there are lots of important issues discussed therein, but it doesn't really have much to do with your immediate problem. Exporting your display is what you need to do, yes. For Bourne-derived shells (like bash), export DISPLAY=:0.0 For C-shell and derivatives, setenv DISPLAY :0.0 And *then* worry about the X authentication stuff. Richard
amd and nis
Hi All, I've got a small network of linux boxen here (the server is Red Hat 7 and my client is Debian woody) and I'm trying to configure them so that you can login to your account from any machine on the network. I've got NIS up and running so that you can login from anywhere but I need some way for the user's home directory (maybe other directories) to follow them around. I believe that AMD is the tool to use to do that. My problem is that I can't find any good information on AMD. Well that's not true the amdref info page is very good but over my head. I'm looking for something for someone doing this for the first time. Anybody got a good link I should look at? Also the lack of man pages and How-To's makes me think that maybe there's a better way to do this. Any suggestions? Thanks for any help, advice, opinions, etc, etc, etc . . . Andy
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
I have followed this discussion with great interest. It's been really lively! :-) I hardly consider myself to have achieved 'power user' status. I started with Slackware Linux in late 1998. At this time I never touch Windows and do not miss it. My initial reaction to what was -- I do not argue -- an avalanche of things-to-learn often *did* swing over to the "totally overwhelmed and frustrated" side of things; *however,* I did and still do feel that the *challenge* of overcoming the problems to the best of my abilities has been the most exciting and profitable learning experience I have ever enjoyed. I say this happily granting that it may not be for everyone. It especially may not be "right" if what you are doing is a Something that has to get done tomorrow. On the other hand, if what you're looking for is a new way to see and to use the box at your feet (or by your side, or ...) there is no better way to go that I know of ... it is truly transforming. This is not an apology for allusive, obfuscatory or even "bad" writing in docs. I've seen my share of that. But the soul of the experience (if I can use that crappy tattered word) is experiment: of trying things out and seeing what they do. I've not been nearly brave or smart enough, but my experience with various Linux-es, and especially Debian, has made me a much more effective do-er. Glenn Becker Online Producer, Community SCIFI.COM At 5:00pm on Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Kevin Stokes wrote: > >> imagine how much hair-pulling you'll save the next poor soul if > > you document what you learned... hmm?< > > > > Ahh, but I'm not a Linux or Free-Software devotee. > > This is where you lose the sympathy of a lot of people. You've identified > a problem and you want other people to spend their time and energy on it > but you're not willing to spend any yourself. Will suggested an eminently > sensible solution, you said you couldn't be bothered.< > > There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am not > one of them. I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest hours of my > time writing doc. > > You may think of me a selfish bastard, because I want to use Linux, but I > don't want to help build it. My viewpoint is different. I thought the > Free Software people didn't want payment, but now I'm supposed to have a > guilt trip if I don't write doc? > > Or perhaps it is because I have a suggestion, that makes me a selfish > bastard? I'm hardly suggesting newbie doc because I expect somebody to > write it and give to me. By the time anybody had a decent Linux help system > done, I would either be enough of an expert to not need it, or have dumped > Linux a long time ago. > > As I said, I merely installed Linux on a resurrected computer that had > been retired as a lark. I'm not a devotee. However, it really struck me > that a crucial ingredient to Linux's success is missing. What I'm trying > to do is be helpful. Kind of like saying, 'Hey, pal, I don't know if you > noticed or not, but your boots are the wrong feet.' > > THe response might be. 'Shut up, you loser. I can wear my boots on my > hands if I want to.', or the response might be, 'So that's why my boots > haven't been that successful. They hurt my feet like crazy!'. In either > case, I wouldn't help the man take of his boots and put them on the right > way, and most men wouldn't want my help. > > Linux is painful for newbies, and there is no good reason for it. And > this hurts the acceptance of Linux.Anyway, I will now shut up about it. > Thanks again for all the time and energy you have spent helping me, and I > hope I have not earned a reputation as a pariah who is stupid, lazy and > selfish, since I will no doubt need more help... > > > Kevin Stokes > > > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 05:00:24PM -0400, Kevin Stokes wrote: > >> imagine how much hair-pulling you'll save the next poor soul if > > you document what you learned... hmm?< > > > > Ahh, but I'm not a Linux or Free-Software devotee. > > This is where you lose the sympathy of a lot of people. You've identified > a problem and you want other people to spend their time and energy on it > but you're not willing to spend any yourself. Will suggested an eminently > sensible solution, you said you couldn't be bothered.< > > There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am not > one of them. I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest hours of my > time writing doc. > > You may think of me a selfish bastard, because I want to use Linux, but I > don't want to help build it. My viewpoint is different. I thought the > Free Software people didn't want payment, but now I'm supposed to have a > guilt trip if I don't write doc? Free Software is about freedom to use the software as you see fit, and has nothing to do with the cost of the software, monetary or otherwise. The fact that Free Software is often available for little to no monetary cost is happenstance; it's not a core value of Free Software. Use what allows you to get the most done. If that's Windows, fine. You say you want to use Linux ... why? If you're not willing to learn it seems pointless. -- Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- Patton pgpbMsXOSl86L.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT : RE: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
D-Man <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Would anyone like to provide a comparison of LaTeX and Docbook? > (without a flamewar of course). LaTeX: * Been around longer * Stable, ie changes little over the years * Extremely easy to set up (significantly because of above) * Well documented if you like dead tree. * Trivial to output PDF (pdflatex, dvipdfm, ps2pdf) * Can be converted into HTML, but not always at optimal quality without some finagling. (latex2html, tth) * Physical and/or logical markup. * Easier to define your own markup (which is both good and bad) DocBook: * Newer * Changes more frequently than LaTeX * Less easy to get a working setup from scratch (but Debian packages are available and make it easy). * Fewer dead-tree resources, I think, but more online * Conversions to various formats available, including PDF (often through TeX), though translators are of varying quality * Easier to parse and make new translators * Logical markup only. That sums up the essential differences. Most projects choose DocBook for better translations to HTML and text. I normally use LaTeX for my stuff because I've been using it for years and DocBook doesn't seem well-suited to some of the things I do. (It may be fine, but I don't know enough about DocBook yet.) For things where I want control over formatting _and_ logical markup, LaTeX is good. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! Your temporary financial embarrassment will be relieved in a surprising manner.
Setting up server
Hey, My friend and I decided to set up a little web-hosting company, but neither one of us knows exactly how to do this. I figure we'll need to have apache, DNS, etc. But the main thing that's stopping us up right now, is that we don't know how to set up the internet on his computer (he has broadband wireless). His computer has two ethernet cards (Intel EtherPro 10/100, and a Linksys etherfast, both of which are mostly working). He gets access from a router that is hooked up to the wireless connection, that he says is treated as a gateway. The linksys is going to the router (linksys=66.1.191.80, router=66.1.191.79), while the intel (10.0.0.1) goes to his home LAN. How do I get access to the internet? This is my interfaces file: #/etc/network/interfaces iface lo inet loopback #intel card iface eth0 inet static address10.0.0.1 netmask255.255.255.0 network10.0.0.0 broadcast10.0.0.255 #linksys card iface eth1 inet static address66.1.191.80 netmask 255.255.0.0 network 66.1.191.0 broadcast 66.1.191.255 gateway 66.1.191.79 #end #/etc/resolv.conf nameserver 66.1.191.80 I can't even ping the gateway, but I can ping 66.1.191.80. I don't really understand that. Also, is my nameserver supposed to be the gateway, or the computer itself? Thanks, Cameron Matheson _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
/etc/network/if-up.d
Hi all, am I correct in assuming that my iptables script should go into /etc/network/if-up.d? Or should I put it in init.d? TIA Dima -- E-mail dmaziuk at bmrb dot wisc dot edu (@work) or at crosswinds dot net (@home) http://www.bmrb.wisc.edu/descript/gpgkey.dmaziuk.ascii -- GnuPG 1.0.4 public key The wombat is a mixture of chalk and clay used for respiration.-- MegaHal
Re: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
>> imagine how much hair-pulling you'll save the next poor soul if > you document what you learned... hmm?< > > Ahh, but I'm not a Linux or Free-Software devotee. This is where you lose the sympathy of a lot of people. You've identified a problem and you want other people to spend their time and energy on it but you're not willing to spend any yourself. Will suggested an eminently sensible solution, you said you couldn't be bothered.< There are people who care deeply about Linux and Free Software. I am not one of them. I wish Linux the best, but I'm not ready to invest hours of my time writing doc. You may think of me a selfish bastard, because I want to use Linux, but I don't want to help build it. My viewpoint is different. I thought the Free Software people didn't want payment, but now I'm supposed to have a guilt trip if I don't write doc? Or perhaps it is because I have a suggestion, that makes me a selfish bastard? I'm hardly suggesting newbie doc because I expect somebody to write it and give to me. By the time anybody had a decent Linux help system done, I would either be enough of an expert to not need it, or have dumped Linux a long time ago. As I said, I merely installed Linux on a resurrected computer that had been retired as a lark. I'm not a devotee. However, it really struck me that a crucial ingredient to Linux's success is missing. What I'm trying to do is be helpful. Kind of like saying, 'Hey, pal, I don't know if you noticed or not, but your boots are the wrong feet.' THe response might be. 'Shut up, you loser. I can wear my boots on my hands if I want to.', or the response might be, 'So that's why my boots haven't been that successful. They hurt my feet like crazy!'. In either case, I wouldn't help the man take of his boots and put them on the right way, and most men wouldn't want my help. Linux is painful for newbies, and there is no good reason for it. And this hurts the acceptance of Linux.Anyway, I will now shut up about it. Thanks again for all the time and energy you have spent helping me, and I hope I have not earned a reputation as a pariah who is stupid, lazy and selfish, since I will no doubt need more help... Kevin Stokes
Re: No chance to get my IntellyMouse working under X
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 08:58:24PM +0200, Thomas Wegner wrote: > > I think you should change some settings: > Option "Device""/dev/psaux" > Option "Protocol" "IntelliMosue" I don't think she should. The IntelliMouse protocol is for the serial version of that mouse, according to the docs. IMPS/2 is the ps/2 version. Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925
Re: How do you broadcast a message?
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 11:05:24AM -0700, Known Human Nick Rusnov wrote: > > that is done with the command 'wall'. Interesting. I get an error, as root or any other user. wall: /dev/:0: No such file or directory Mike -- Michael P. Soulier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine. However, this is not necessarily a good idea. It is hard to be sure where they are going to land, and it could be dangerous sitting under them as they fly overhead." -- RFC 1925
Re: combo GUI/text mail client
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 13:16, Brandon High wrote: > Joseph Dane wrote: > > * netscape and pine don't (can't?) share addressbooks, so they either > >get out of sync, or require more attention than one would like to > >offer them > > Probably the ugliest point. You could over engineer it and use OpenLDAP > to store address books - most modern mail clients can do lookups against > LDAP. I'm not this brave/foolish, and I don't need to be. I have a small > address book. Once you've done it it's not that hard. I've posted a _very_ terse mini-HowTo for doing this with Debian potato at http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ldap.html Luck, Pann -- geek by nature, Linux by choice L I N U X .~. The Choice /V\ http://www.ourmanpann.com/linux/ of a GNU /( )\ Generation ^^-^^
Re: OT : RE: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:18:08PM -0400, D-Man wrote: | On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:59:02PM -0500, will trillich wrote: | | | wanna write up a vim intro at sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/? | | Can I write it in LaTeX? I want to learn to use latex effectively. I just took a quick look, and I see that you like Docbook. Is there a latex2docbook utility around? Can docbook be rendered in Postscript or PDF? They are generally better for printing and off-line viewing (I mean, really offline, like no computer in hand). Even a single-page HTML is better than a whole bunch for printing. Also, are there any PS L2 -> PS L1 translators? My laser printer at home is really old and only handles PS L1 (ie none of the PS docs on linuxdoc.org). Would anyone like to provide a comparison of LaTeX and Docbook? (without a flamewar of course). -D
newbiedoc, vim and latex
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:18:08PM -0400, D-Man wrote: > On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:59:02PM -0500, will trillich wrote: > | i think vim is abominable, deplorable and inconsiderate. it uses > | modes for this, modes for that... and i wouldn't ever consider > | using anything else. > > Come to think of it, emacs has more modes that vim ;-). (python-mode > c-mode this-mode that-mode) vim has those types of modes, too -- perl highlighting, C shortcuts, html facilities... but i'm talking about INSERT mode versus COMMAND mode versus FRAMMISTAT mode versus CLAVIS mode... "w" goes forward a word in edit mode "w" inserts a "w" in insert mode "w" writes to a file in command mode ... ! > | wanna write up a vim intro at sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/? > > I should. I've tried to introduce some of my friends to vim (CS > students at school). They didn't have any (real) editor experience, > and IMO CDE's notepad or Nedit don't really cut it for coding. I've > just learned about ^N ^P and ctags over on Python-list. Really cool. > > Can I write it in LaTeX? I want to learn to use latex effectively. i think some of the folks a newbiedoc are using latex. i'm just myself now getting up on sgml, so latex is way beyond me! (maybe you can write a newbiedoc intro for latex soon?) > It will probably take me a while due to time constraints. OTOH I will > be taking a trip soon and have lots of travel time I might be able to > put to good use. If not, this summer when I am bored in class I > should try and be useful ;-). we've got our hopes up, now... :) -- americans should never read anything so subversive as what's at http://www.salon.com/people/col/pagl/2001/03/21/spring/index1.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!
RE: Printing
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen E. Hargrove [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 4:15 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Re: Printing > > > Nevermind, I figured it out, and I'm (finally) printing > again. One more > question, though. I keep getting the following after /every/ > job prints: > > User: stephen > Host: firestarter > Class: firestarter > Job: stdin > > How do I shut this off? This is printed by the jetdirect interface. Telnet to it and turn banner off. If the admins have installed a password, you might have to get them to do it... hth jim
RE: Printing
> -Original Message- > From: Stephen E. Hargrove [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Wednesday, April 11, 2001 3:59 PM > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org > Subject: Printing > > > I'm having problems getting my printer going. It was > working, then I had > to reinstall, and now I can't get it back up. Following is a > sequence of > events that seem fairly typical: > > # ps ax | grep lpd > 1864 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd > 1865 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd > > # lpr -Plp deleteme.txt > lpr: connect: Connection refused > jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. > > # ps ax | grep lpd > 1864 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd > 1885 ttyp0 S0:00 grep lp > > # tail /var/log/lpr.log > Apr 11 14:49:04 firestarter lpd[1865]: lp: lost connection > > # cat /etc/printcap > > lp:\ > :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ > :mx#0:\ > :sh:\ > :rm=192.168.2.50:\ > :tr:\ > :rp=lp:\ > :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:\ > :lpd_bounce=true: > > # npadmin --status 192.168.2.50 > status="ready to print"; > > As you can see, it's a network printer (HP LaserJet 2100TN). > Every time, A couple of things you might try. If you are using lprng then :lp=192.168.2.50%9100 \ take out the rm, rp, and bounce entries. if you are using lpr then :lp=raw:\ The jetdirect interfaces provide a "text" printer and "raw" printer but no printer named "lp". hth jim
Re: Woody nukes Gnome
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Glen Snyder wrote: > If I purge all of the ximian and helix files, that's practically every > application I use99 packages not to mention the others that will > probably be removed because of dependency problems. Debian Woody sets up > gnome 1.0.56 Ximian "Woody" has installed 1.2.11 for some time > now. I think an itsy-bitsy file like libart2 caused everything to cave > in (that seems to be one of the files causing the problem). Man, I /really/ wish that I'd been paying attention to this thread yesterday. Last night, I installed libart2 and . . . well, you know the rest. Any guesses as to what I'll be doing tonight? -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
Re: GNULpr on Debian?
On Wed, 11 Apr 2001, Holger Rauch wrote: > Hi! > > I found out that HP is sponsoring an open-source printing project called > GNULpr (or GLPR for short). However, I found out that only RPMS are > offered (for Mandrake, Turbo Linux, and RedHat). And they're working on a Debian setup. See lpr.sourceforge.net/debian. > Has anybody nevertheless tried to install this system on Debian? > If so, how did you do it and what were your experiences with that system? Yes. It didn't work. -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
network printing (again)
Hello List I still have no idea how to enable access to my local printer from a remote host (in my local network) These are the files I consider important: Server-printcap: lp|lq850|Epson LQ 850:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lq850:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/epsonlq-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Client-printcap: lp|lq850|Epson LQ 850:\ :lp=:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lq850:rm=199.168.0.98:rp=lp:lpr_bounce:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/epsonlq-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Server /etc/hosts.lpd: + + Server /etc/hosts.equiv: + + This does not seem to be enough, because the client prints the error message: "This host has no line printer access" or sth like that. Anybody help me please.. joerg PS:: I was pointed to the /etc/hosts.lpd file by Shawn Garbett, thank you even if it did not help. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
network printing (again)
Hello List I still have no idea how to enable access to my local printer from a remote host (in my local network) These are the files I consider important: Server-printcap: lp|lq850|Epson LQ 850:\ :lp=/dev/lp0:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lq850:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#66:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/epsonlq-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Client-printcap: lp|lq850|Epson LQ 850:\ :lp=:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lq850:rm=199.168.0.98:rp=lp:lpr_bounce:\ :sh:pw#80:pl#72:px#1440:mx#0:\ :if=/etc/magicfilter/epsonlq-filter:\ :af=/var/log/lp-acct:lf=/var/log/lp-errs: Server /etc/hosts.lpd: + + Server /etc/hosts.equiv: + + This does not seem to be enough, because the client prints the error message: "This host has no line printer access" or sth like that. Anybody help me please.. joerg PS:: I was pointed to the /etc/hosts.lpd file by Shawn Garbett, thank you even if it did not help. -- GMX - Die Kommunikationsplattform im Internet. http://www.gmx.net
Re: OT : RE: water, water everywhere, but not a drop to drink.
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:59:02PM -0500, will trillich wrote: | On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 01:07:02PM -0400, D-Man wrote: | > I think that an introduction that is easy for inexperienced people to | > start with would be a good thing. It should include references to | > more detailed/advanced documentation and also mention the common | > pitfalls or things to look out for. Explaining in simplistic terms | > the basic organziation of the system seems to be the part that is most | > lacking. | | http://sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/ I'll have to check this out. Most of my spare time right now is spent trying to get the network at home to work so the machines will share stuff. I have 2 Debian boxes (Duron 750 -- my workstation , 486 -- router for internet) and 2 Windoze boxes (PII 300 , Win98 ; 486 Win95 -- both my dad's, my brothers use for homework). | > I wrote this story in hopes that someone would enjoy reading it and | > get a good laugh at my initial perception of Unix (Solaris) and vi. I | > now consider (g)vim to be the most superior editor and use it for my | > daily work (I have tried emacs, and emacs fans are welcome to it | > ). | | i think vim is abominable, deplorable and inconsiderate. it uses | modes for this, modes for that... and i wouldn't ever consider | using anything else. Come to think of it, emacs has more modes that vim ;-). (python-mode c-mode this-mode that-mode) | wanna write up a vim intro at sourceForge.net/projects/newbiedoc/? I should. I've tried to introduce some of my friends to vim (CS students at school). They didn't have any (real) editor experience, and IMO CDE's notepad or Nedit don't really cut it for coding. I've just learned about ^N ^P and ctags over on Python-list. Really cool. Can I write it in LaTeX? I want to learn to use latex effectively. It will probably take me a while due to time constraints. OTOH I will be taking a trip soon and have lots of travel time I might be able to put to good use. If not, this summer when I am bored in class I should try and be useful ;-). -D
Re: combo GUI/text mail client
Joseph Dane wrote: Here's what I'd like to have: a mail client that I can access via a nice, flashy GUI when I'm sitting at my desk, or via a simple text-mode interface when I'm connecting remotely. I do something similar to what you plan on: Mozilla mail for the desktop, and pine for remote access. Rather that using an app that does GUI and tty, I use an IMAP4 server. Both clients keep the mail on the server, so I can access all my sent mail, read mail, archives, etc, from anywhere with SSH. * netscape and pine don't (can't?) share addressbooks, so they either get out of sync, or require more attention than one would like to offer them Probably the ugliest point. You could over engineer it and use OpenLDAP to store address books - most modern mail clients can do lookups against LDAP. I'm not this brave/foolish, and I don't need to be. I have a small address book.
Re: Printing
Nevermind, I figured it out, and I'm (finally) printing again. One more question, though. I keep getting the following after /every/ job prints: User: stephen Host: firestarter Class: firestarter Job: stdin How do I shut this off? I've got :sh: and :tr: in my printcap, but it just keeps printing. I need to shut it off, because I print alot jobs throughout the day, and this adds up to alot of wasted paper. Thanks! -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
Re: NIC problem
On Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 12:02:52PM -0700, Craig Jones wrote: | I have an old 386 on which I am trying to do an FTP install of potato. | The NIC inside is a Western Digital and seems to be functioning all right | (I got linux going from one of those floppy distributions, set everything | up and was able to ping everywhere and log in to a computer at work. So | the NIC and cabling are working all right.) | | When I boot off of the rescue/root/driver-1.bin files, everything goes all | right until it tries to do a modprobe on the wd.o module. The default for | that module is right as I checked it doing a ftp install using RedHat and | the NIC worked. But, under Debian it keeps coming up device is not | working and it might be an IO/IRQ problem. | | Any ideas on what I can try? The NIC does work. The IO/IRQ etc "should" | be right, but that boot version of linux just does not want to modprobe. Alt-Ctrl-F2 will take you to a shell (as root) where you can run commands and see what is/isn't there. I don't know how much of a system you will have or at what point comming from floppies. I have an NE2000 clone ISA NIC in an old 486. When I tried to load the module it complained that ISA cards _need_ to have the base io specified. PCI cards are nicer because they figure it out for you. I tried 0x300 (I don't know why that number popped in my head, maybe I saw it a couple days before when I turned of PnP with the DOS util) and it seems to work. The module loaded and pick IRQ3. I haven't had a second machine on the network simultaneously to really test it, but the switch's LED's blinked when I tried to ping a (nonexistant) host. I would suggest switching to the "F2" console (as above) and trying : modprobe wd io=0x300 (or insmod wd io=0x300) and seeing what it does/says. Another option would be to put the hd into a newer machine and install from there. I had to do this with that 486 because it couldn't boot from the cd drive I borrowed (old bios) and DOS sucks (no cd driver to let me use loadlin). -D
Re: OT : GUI Interfaces
Joris Lambrecht <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > It [X] IS a fantastic system, indeed, but it weighs on your > computers resources. X has run on machines so small and slow they haven't been sold in over a decade. X also runs now on machines which can fit in the palm of your hand. > Also, what's the use for those strenghts i cannot grasp in a > stand-alone configuration ? Actually, I don't understand the use of a standalone system, since I don't own any. They're _all_ connected. (I suppose some embedded systems would count, but you're not running But in answer to your question: > on Wed, Apr 11, 2001 at 04:20:45PM +0200, Joris Lambrecht > ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: > > Does anyone know of a non X GUI interface wich has a number of > > applications Sure: * BeOS * MacOS * Windows There's nothing on Linux that has any decent quantities of apps ported to it. Easy to check... find the 5 biggest apps you use. See what other Unix GUIs they support. -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! You can get *anywhere* in ten minutes if you drive fast enough.
Re: 8-bit characters
PROBLEM: 8-bit characters (such as those in 'man latin1') show as chinese in krxvt, and as pseudo-greek on console (alt-ctl-f1). SOLVED -- yippee! CONSOLE: consolechars -f where is any item mentioned (sans '.psf.gz' extension) in the /usr/share/consolefonts/ directory -- e.g.: consolechars -f lat1-16 KRXVT: use rxvt instead (!) krxvt is rxvt with support for chinese characters (man krxvt)! rxvt is latin-chars only, i gather. all is right with the world. -- americans should never read anything so subversive as what's at http://www.salon.com/people/col/pagl/2001/03/21/spring/index1.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://sourceforge.net/projects/newbiedoc -- we need your brain! http://www.dontUthink.com/ -- your brain needs us!
Printing
I'm having problems getting my printer going. It was working, then I had to reinstall, and now I can't get it back up. Following is a sequence of events that seem fairly typical: # ps ax | grep lpd 1864 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd 1865 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd # lpr -Plp deleteme.txt lpr: connect: Connection refused jobs queued, but cannot start daemon. # ps ax | grep lpd 1864 ? S0:00 /usr/sbin/lpd 1885 ttyp0 S0:00 grep lp # tail /var/log/lpr.log Apr 11 14:49:04 firestarter lpd[1865]: lp: lost connection # cat /etc/printcap lp:\ :sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\ :mx#0:\ :sh:\ :rm=192.168.2.50:\ :tr:\ :rp=lp:\ :if=/var/spool/lpd/lp/filter:\ :lpd_bounce=true: # npadmin --status 192.168.2.50 status="ready to print"; As you can see, it's a network printer (HP LaserJet 2100TN). Every time, it's the same. I just cannot get anything to print. If anyone has any advice, I'd really appreciate it. -- steve * Linux : http://exitwound.org Mozart: http://mozart.sourceforge.net Buck : http://www.BuckOwensFan.com *
