Re: Help with NIC configuration.

[Mike Egglestone]

Hi 
Have you tried running "modconf" from the command line?

Mike

Quoting Debian Baby <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I am trying to install Woody from the ISO images, but am having trouble
> configuring my network card (which is connected to my cable modem).
> 
> When I installed Potato, the installation process had a dialog that
> prompted
> me to select and configure extra kernel modules - so I was able to get
> the
> ne2k-pci module working.  Woody does not seem to have this dialog, it
> goes
> directly to the "dselect" screen.  Is this normal?  Or do I have a bad
> ISO
> image?
> 
> I have been trying to manually install the module.  "insmod ne2k-pci"
> generated some errors, but "modprobe ne2k-pci" seemed to work.  I could
> then
> do a "lsmod" and see the module loaded.  Then I ran "ifconfig eth0
> netmask
> 255.255.255.0 eth0 xx.xx.xx.xx" which did not give me any errors.  After
> doing that, I could not "ping 127.0.0.1" or ping my address specified in
> my
> ifconfig statement.  Pinging 127.0.0.1 said "unreachable host" and
> pinging
> my actual address said "neighbor table overflow" (I think).
> 
> Is there an easier way to do this?
> 
> Was the kernel module dialog removed from Woody's installation process?
> 
> I couldn't use Potato to upgrade to Woody, because it said "Perl 32
> broken
> pipe" or something like that when I tried to upgrade by adjusting my
> sources.list file.  I think I need Woody to support my videocard
> 
> Anyone have any suggestions?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
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Re: Help with NIC configuration.

[Michael Heldebrant]

On 16 Aug 2001 00:45:20 -0400, Debian Baby wrote:
> I am trying to install Woody from the ISO images, but am having trouble
> configuring my network card (which is connected to my cable modem).
> 
> When I installed Potato, the installation process had a dialog that prompted
> me to select and configure extra kernel modules - so I was able to get the
> ne2k-pci module working.  Woody does not seem to have this dialog, it goes
> directly to the "dselect" screen.  Is this normal?  Or do I have a bad ISO
> image?
> 
> I have been trying to manually install the module.  "insmod ne2k-pci"
> generated some errors, but "modprobe ne2k-pci" seemed to work.  I could then
> do a "lsmod" and see the module loaded.  Then I ran "ifconfig eth0 netmask
> 255.255.255.0 eth0 xx.xx.xx.xx" which did not give me any errors.  After
> doing that, I could not "ping 127.0.0.1" or ping my address specified in my
> ifconfig statement.  Pinging 127.0.0.1 said "unreachable host" and pinging
> my actual address said "neighbor table overflow" (I think).
> 
> Is there an easier way to do this?
> 
> Was the kernel module dialog removed from Woody's installation process?
> 
> I couldn't use Potato to upgrade to Woody, because it said "Perl 32 broken
> pipe" or something like that when I tried to upgrade by adjusting my
> sources.list file.  I think I need Woody to support my videocard

Did you actually get a static ip from @home?  I've been using dhcpd and
then pump in succession and having no real problems (intermittent
connection problems aside) in getting both potato to stable and the
network running fine.  What does your /etc/network/interfaces file look
like.  Which package gives the Perl 32 errors?

--mike

Help with NIC configuration.

[Debian Baby]

I am trying to install Woody from the ISO images, but am having trouble
configuring my network card (which is connected to my cable modem).

When I installed Potato, the installation process had a dialog that prompted
me to select and configure extra kernel modules - so I was able to get the
ne2k-pci module working.  Woody does not seem to have this dialog, it goes
directly to the "dselect" screen.  Is this normal?  Or do I have a bad ISO
image?

I have been trying to manually install the module.  "insmod ne2k-pci"
generated some errors, but "modprobe ne2k-pci" seemed to work.  I could then
do a "lsmod" and see the module loaded.  Then I ran "ifconfig eth0 netmask
255.255.255.0 eth0 xx.xx.xx.xx" which did not give me any errors.  After
doing that, I could not "ping 127.0.0.1" or ping my address specified in my
ifconfig statement.  Pinging 127.0.0.1 said "unreachable host" and pinging
my actual address said "neighbor table overflow" (I think).

Is there an easier way to do this?

Was the kernel module dialog removed from Woody's installation process?

I couldn't use Potato to upgrade to Woody, because it said "Perl 32 broken
pipe" or something like that when I tried to upgrade by adjusting my
sources.list file.  I think I need Woody to support my videocard

Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks!

Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP

[Michael Heldebrant]

On 15 Aug 2001 19:48:49 -0500, W. Paul Mills wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Reames) writes:
> 
> > I seriously doubt Linux or Open Source will be ever outlawed. No
> > matter what MS does. Too many companies rely on it (whether they 
> > admit it or not). Hotmail is still full of FreeBSD machines.
> > Besides even Hollywood, one of the biggest industries in the US is
> > converting.
> > 
> > http://news.excite.com/news/r/010814/21/tech-linux-hollywood
> > 
> > Sure the home desktops and office servers run Windows, but where it
> > counts its either Linux or Unix, and with the slump in the hi-tech 
> > industry - proprietary, expensive Unix's are being replaced with Linux.
> > 
> > $.02
> 
> 
> Even the US Postal Service uses Linux ;-)

My prediction is that Linux will be outlawed in 3 years as a system
which is legaly declared as "primarily" for copyright circumvention.
Just wait until MS buys their way out of the lawsuit with the
republicans.  MS will then continue to erode their own users rights in
favor of the DVDCCA, RIAA and MPAA and whine that linux should be forced
to as well.  I doubt Linux will be implementing these mandatory
copyright controls and other bunk.  Hence 3 years from now the DMCA (I'm
sure with additional resitrictive changes) will make us all criminals.
I think we should all move offshore now really.  I really hope it
doesn't happen but I can certainly see it.

--mike

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Paul Scott]

dman wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:55:19PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
| dman wrote:
| 
(snip)> 

In potato it is called "sawmill".  Sawmill is the original name, but
some company politely requested the name be changed because it was too
similar to the name of one of their products.

One reason I like sawfish is because it is quite lightweight and plays
nicely with a desktop environment.  Some WMs (ie afterstep and
windomaker) were made prior to desktop environments on Unix so they
have their own panel, etc, which doesn't play as nice with GNOME (or
KDE).

| > Ok, since you have the NICs and cable, I'll send you a snippet of my
| > /etc/network/interfaces file when I get home.  Just cut-n-paste it in



(snip)




HTH,
-D


Thank you very much,


Paul

extra wide text fields in konqueror

['cduck' Chris Grierson]

i can't understand why the text entry fields in konqueror's html renderings
(eg, a search field) are three times the width of the text it enters.  is
this a konq/khtml issue/problem or a font issue/problem?

thanks,

-c

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Re: 2.4.7 kernel boot hangs with "cramfs: wrong magic"

[Jerome Acks Jr]

Herbert Xu wrote:

>On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 09:11:04PM -0400, Jerome Acks Jr wrote:
>
>>I tried the -386 kernel package. I no longer get "cramfs: wrong magic".
>>
>
>Please give 2.4.8 a go.
>
I tried kernel-image-2.4.8-386_2.4.8-1.deb. I get same result as with
2.4.7-386 kernel. The boot hangs at or right after the partition check.
Once in a while, bootup messages give one additional line: "INIT:
version 2.78 booting"

The boot looks like it always hangs during or right after the partition
check of my second hard drive which is where all my linux partitions
are. I guess that may mean that probing the ide drives may be causing
some sort of problem.

In one of your earlier messages, you mentioned turning off DMA. I've
done some searching with google, looked at documentation for kernel and
lilo, and I'm not quite sure how to do that. Would I need to intall
hwtools and hdparm and put put add an hdparm line into
/etc/init.d/whtools? Or is there a way to do this passing parameters
through lilo at boot?

I'll be out of town the next five days, and won't be able to do any
thing else on this until next week.

Thanks for the suggestions and help.

--
Jerome

exim

[Karsten M. Self]

Under Sid, exim is failing with "IPv6 socket creation failed: Invalid
argument" when started via /etc/init.d/exim start or from command line
as follows.

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:log]$ exim -d -bd -q5m
Exim version 3.32 debug level 1 uid=0 gid=0
Berkeley DB: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 2.7.7: (08/20/99)
LOG: 0 PANIC DIE
  IPv6 socket creation failed: Invalid argument

I've noticed this intermittently since August 12.  I believe an
associated procmail/fetchmail problem may be related.  Hmm...looks like
the '-bd' flag may be doing it.  This was a recent /etc/init.d/exim
change.  My old exim SysV init file doesn't have this flag.

Anyone else seeing same? 

Package info?

Package: exim
Status: install ok installed
Version: 3.32-1

exim strace output follows, arguments: 

strace exim -d -bd -q5m


read(3, "# /etc/services:\n# $Id: services"..., 4096) = 4096
close(3)= 0
munmap(0x40016000, 4096)= 0
socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_IP) = 3
setsockopt(3, SOL_SOCKET, SO_REUSEADDR, [1], 4) = 0
bind(3, {sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(25), 
sin_addr=inet_addr("0.0.0.0")}}, 16) = 0
socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0)= -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented)
socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0)= -1 ENOSYS (Function not implemented)
socket(PF_INET6, SOCK_STREAM, 0)= -1 EINVAL (Invalid argument)
write(2, "LOG: 0 PANIC DIE\n  IPv6 socket c"..., 65LOG: 0 PANIC DIE
  IPv6 socket creation failed: Invalid argument
) = 65
time(NULL)  = 997933913
open("/etc/localtime", O_RDONLY)= 4
fstat(4, {st_mode=S_IFREG|0644, st_size=1017, ...}) = 0
old_mmap(NULL, 4096, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 
0x40016000
read(4, "TZif\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\0\4\0\0\0\4\0"..., 4096) = 
1017
close(4)= 0
munmap(0x40016000, 4096)= 0
open("/var/log/exim/paniclog", O_WRONLY|O_APPEND) = 4
fcntl(4, F_GETFD)   = 0
fcntl(4, F_SETFD, FD_CLOEXEC)   = 0
write(4, "2001-08-15 20:51:53 IPv6 socket "..., 66) = 66
close(4)= 0
_exit(1)


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Re: booting into xdm

[David Roundy]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:20:21PM -0700, bob parker wrote:
> I'm very new to Debian (Potato r3) and very impressed
> with the stability. My install defaulted to booting
> into xdm which I do not want as I prefer using the
> command line for a lot of work.
> 
> I got around this by mv'ing /etc/init.d/xdm to
> ...xdm.bak. Very much a kludge I think.

A better way would be to rename /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm to s99xdm or something.
There is a utility to do this, but I don't remember what it is called.
This is assuming you boot into runlevel 2.  This way you can just switch to
runlevel 3 (`init 3`) to get xdm if you want it.

> What is the better way? Also how may I get back to the
> command line when using xdm? All the way back, not
> just using virtual terminals under X.

You just type ctrl-alt-fN where N is 1-6.  Although I'm not sure what you
mean by virtual terminals under X (xterms, perhaps?).  This gives you
virtual terminals, but they are not under X.
-- 
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http://civet.berkeley.edu/droundy/

Re: booting into xdm

[San Segkhoonthod]

> Also how may I get back to the
> command line when using xdm? All the way back, not
> just using virtual terminals under X.
Press Ctrl+Atl+F1 to get back console #1, Alt+F7 to back to X.
san

On 15 Aug 2001 20:20:21 -0700, bob parker wrote:
> I'm very new to Debian (Potato r3) and very impressed
> with the stability. My install defaulted to booting
> into xdm which I do not want as I prefer using the
> command line for a lot of work.
> 
> I got around this by mv'ing /etc/init.d/xdm to
> ...xdm.bak. Very much a kludge I think.
> 
> What is the better way? Also how may I get back to the
> command line when using xdm? All the way back, not
> just using virtual terminals under X.
> 
> Thanks
> Bob Parker
> 
> 
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booting into xdm

[bob parker]

I'm very new to Debian (Potato r3) and very impressed
with the stability. My install defaulted to booting
into xdm which I do not want as I prefer using the
command line for a lot of work.

I got around this by mv'ing /etc/init.d/xdm to
...xdm.bak. Very much a kludge I think.

What is the better way? Also how may I get back to the
command line when using xdm? All the way back, not
just using virtual terminals under X.

Thanks
Bob Parker


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Re: Problem posting with trn

[Jor-el]

Colin,

Thanks for the reply (again). I discovered that the NNTPSERVER
variable was NOT being honoured (what a relief to be able to use the
British spelling of 'honour' again!). In fact, even though pretty much
everything you said matched the docs, the programs were refusing to
cooperate.

On this theory that this was a bug, I did dpkg --purge of all news
and trn related stuff I installed, and then installed inewsinn first
before installing trn. Lo and behold, things started to work right
away. Even then there were a number of bugs that I noted - the
/etc/news/innd.conf file was being ignored - the values for the
ORGANIZATION and NNTPSERVER were being read from the /etc/news/server and
/etc/news/organization files - thus contradicting the documentation in the
inews man page.

Now, however, I've come across some rather annoying Pnews (isnt
that still the news injector, or is it 'inews' when inewsinn is
installed?). Here is what I got when I was replying to a newsgroup posting
and I used the 'F' (quote original when replying) command :

Check spelling, Send, Abort, Edit, or List? s
Article not posted -- more included text than new text
(Article not posted.)

Garrh! I dont need a program to act like a grandmother. Is there
anything I can do to turn off this behaviour (ah-ha! British spelling
again!).

Thanks,
Jor-el

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Colin Watson wrote:

> On Tue, Aug 14, 2001 at 11:10:12AM -0500, Jor-el wrote:
> >  
> If you don't have a local news server, there's no reason for you to have
> /var/lib/news/active at all, so no.
> 
> Is it possible that you haven't set the NNTPSERVER environment variable
> correctly (it should be the hostname of your news server)? The inews
> from inewsinn should honour that environment variable and not try to
> look in a local active file if it's set.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> -- 
> Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
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Re: dot-square font in E after dist-upgrade

[Randy Reames]

Meanwhile, behind the facade of an innocent looking bookstore Nick Croft wrote:
> Just completed the 3 day marathon dist-upgrade.
> All broken packages fixed. Everything working fine!
> EXCEPT
> In xmms, and Enlightenment menus, there is a prob with the font which
> renders each character as a square, made of dots.
> 
> I know that all the font packages were updated, and update-font-alias was run 
> in each font directory.
> 
> Will this fix itself after I restart the x font server(s). I tried 
> checking by starting another display on :1, but I guess that would use the 
> same 
> font server settings.

I had the same thing happen to me the other day. Don't restart X! I
got the error "Can't find font "Fixed"" or something similar.
IIRC I did an "update-fonts-alias" for each font dir.

I did some other fixing of things as well but I believe that solved my
font problem.

Good Luck.
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Re: ppp 2.4

[Wayne Topa]

Subject: ppp 2.4
Date: Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:13:29PM -0700

In reply to:Eric Whitestone

Quoting Eric Whitestone([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
> Ok, this may be a dumb question. Is there a ppp-2.4 debian package? I 
> upgraded to kernel 2.4.8 and someone told me i need ppp 2.4. I checked at 
> debian.com for ppp packages, and the latest one i saw there was ppp 
> 2.3.11-1.4. If there is a ppp 2.4, does anyone know where to get it? Thanks!

Yes.  I am running 2.4.1-4 in woody. Did you update your packages to
use the 2.4.x.kernels?  Adrian has all of the required packages 
there.  Use the below apt source lines.

deb http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main
deb-src http://people.debian.org/~bunk/debian potato main

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text lines formated to 72 columns, as you might notice in most other
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Re: dot-square font in E after dist-upgrade

[Nick Croft]

..PS
upgraded to unstable

dot-square font in E after dist-upgrade

[Nick Croft]

Just completed the 3 day marathon dist-upgrade.
All broken packages fixed. Everything working fine!
EXCEPT
In xmms, and Enlightenment menus, there is a prob with the font which
renders each character as a square, made of dots.

I know that all the font packages were updated, and update-font-alias was run 
in each font directory.

Will this fix itself after I restart the x font server(s). I tried 
checking by starting another display on :1, but I guess that would use the same 
font server settings.

Clues, anyone?

Nick

RE: Netscape as root, sndconfig

[Tony Bartholomaeus]

> >To me, the most annoying thing about this thread is that if the
> >original poster could READ he'd haver quickly found out how to run
> >netscape as root, and wouldn't have had to trouble the list at all.

For the record, I am coding a personal website, the output from which I need
to view/test using netscape (and other browsers). I also need to view
manuals and such in HTML format. My computer is offline, and although it
could be argued that being logged in as root can be dangerous at any time, I
am well aware of the risks, and find that they are outweighed by the
convenience of unrestricted access. (NB I would not adopt this attitude on
anyone else's computer/network...)

The 'holier than thou' attitude of the person who posted the above is
disappointing, especially since he is apparrently quite knowledgable and
could have just answered my question. The annoying thing to me about this
thread is that it really only needed to contain 2 or 3 messages, my original
question and the replies which addressed (and solved... thanks guys!) the
problem.

Bartman

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Re: Disaster Recovery files

[Mark Carroll]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Alvin Oga wrote:
(sn ip)
> "for firewall duties"... there should NOT be ppp config setup...
> as ppp is insecure ( login/passwd in clear text ) and anybody
> can login from anywhere... ??
(snip)

PAP and CHAP are okay, aren't they?

-- Mark

Re: Suspicious behavior: cracked or just a dying machine?

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya andrew

if you wanna know if you were cracked/hacked... 
its too late if you did not save the state of your machine before you went
live
- if you can compare your binaries to the live cdrom install 
than you can still check if the binaries were replaced...

- lots of stuff gets replaced ... just need to know which files to
look for and which directories...

- tripwire is the simple answer to see anything "new/changed"
( though its too slow ...

if you wanna see if someone has backdoors and trojans...
i think some of the online auditing places might help ??? 
( donno, never used um ...fear of them installing their own trojan and not
  tell ya ...

http://www.Linux-Sec.net/Audit


since you are having problems wiht top and man, and probably ps...
and segfaulting...

i'd guess you've been hacked since your load is too high if it supposed
to be just idling...
- or just bad memory 

-- backup your data onto a new disk/cdrom and appply all patches
   and see if it fixes things...
- keep your previous set of backup intact... since thats a good
verion prior to noticing all these "hardware problems"


have fun
alvin
http://www.Linux-Sec.net ... security stuff...


On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:49:12AM -0400, Andrew Perrin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Folks-
> > 
> > I just logged in (from work) to my home machine to copy a file I
> > needed. It's behaving very weirdly, and I'd love some advice as to whether
> > you think I've been cracked or it's likely just a hardware issue. I'd
> > strongly prefer not to shutdown remotely, but will do so rather than
> > waiting until I get home tonight if y'all think that's what's appropriate.
> 
> Looks suspicious based on what you post, though I wouldn't put it past
> bad memory.  The log is IIRC an old portmapper crack attempt.  Things to
> do:
> 
>   - If you've got the sash shell (preferably a copy from known good
> media), use it and its builtins to test your system.
> 
>   - As soon as possible, get the system offline.
> 
>   - Boot known good media (I like the LinuxCare BBC or a similar
> linux-on-CD live system), and see what it takes to try to get
> debsums running.  Make sure the debsums database is up-to date.  Or
> check for other obvious discrepencies.
> 
>   - If you find you have been cracked, a restore of all system
> directories is strongly advised.
> 
> > The machine is a (rather old) Pentium 200, 92MB RAM, with lots of stuff
> > plugged in(nVidia graphics, Adaptec SCSI running a CD-ROM and a Zip drive,
> > and four IDE hard drives of various sizes).  It's running deiban 2.2r3,
> > kernel 2.2.19pre17 with all current patches.
> 
> > 1.) There's nobody doing anything on the machine, and yet I get the
> > following load averages:
> >  11:43am  up 6 days, 22:06,  6 users,  load average: 1.42, 1.50, 1.31
> 
> Highish.  Could be, say, disk problems hitting the kernel.
> 
> > 2.) top segfaults:
> > nujoma:~> top
> > Segmentation fault
> 
> Bad.
> 
> > 3.) man doesn't work:
> > nujoma:~> man ps
> > /usr/bin/man: Input/output error.
> 
> This points to HW issues IMO.
> 
> > 5.) Can't write my / filesystem (/home):
> > nujoma:~> touch foo
> > touch: foo: Read-only file system
> 
> > However, mount shows it as rw:
> 
> How about /proc/mounts?  /etc/mtab is often out-of-date when other
> issues exist with a system.  Particularly if / is mounted ro.
> 
> Note that most fstabs will remount / readonly if there are disk errors,
> as the line below shows.
> 
> > nujoma:~> mount
> > /dev/hdb3 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro)
> 
> > 6.) shutdown -r also segfaulted, so I can't reboot remotely.
> 
> umount all partitions but root.  Then try halt -n.
> 
> It's not friendly, but it may kill the system.
> 
> > I don't see anything suspicious in the logs, with the exception of the
> > following that I seem to get at least once a day:
> > 
> > Aug 14 17:38:43 nujoma /sbin/rpc.statd[257]: gethostbyname error for
> > ^X
> 
> portmapper thing.  Drop the packets with a firewall.
> 
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Re: gnome/mouseroller

[Brian Nelson]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:29:46PM -0400, Jeff Maxson wrote:
> 
> running X 4.1, and that didn't seem to do the trick.  I tried
> 
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> 
> as well, which it at least accepted, but didn't work.  Seems to move the
> pointer up when I scroll up (but not down when scroll down), and doesn't
> do anything to the screens (scrolling netscape, for example).

You probably need to change your mouse protocol from ps/2 to one that
supports the mouse wheel, such as:

Option "Protocol""IMPS/2"

That works for my MS Optical, but would probably be different for
non-MS mice.

Also IIRC, 4.x Netscape doesn't natively support the mouse wheel.  Try
mozilla/konqueror/galeon/etc. instead.

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Re: Disaster Recovery files

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya patrick

you should copy the entire /etc directory its typically 50K in etc.tgz
format .. put it on floppy !

sicne there are other files ( /etc/passwd, /etc/shadow that you already
missed  that you might wnt to keep...else you'd have to ask everybody
to recreate their passwds and userid, gid, etc..etc..

you should also confirm if you have other config files in
/var and/or /usr/local/
- diff apps puts stuff in diff directories

i always ave the .config and than make menuconfig if in console mode
to make sure the links are properly setup ... than make the new kernel

you should also keep a log of all the debian packages you d/l and
installed

"for firewall duties"... there should NOT be ppp config setup...
as ppp is insecure ( login/passwd in clear text ) and anybody
can login from anywhere... ??

a firewall should only have "ipchains" running... and add libs
and other binaries as needed so that ipchains and the kernel...
- obviously we all do the otehr way...
- install a base and remove stuff...remove everything 
and break stuff and fix it...than keep going till you
are tired of breaking and fixing things...

c ya
alvin
http://www.Linux-Sec.net


On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Patrick Kirk wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> If I need to do a complete reinstall, and get my little server back to its
> current working state, I need to have certain files backed up remotely.  I
> have a list below of the ones I think I need.
> 
> Are there any other essentials for a working system with only file-sharing,
> firewall and mutt duties?
> 
> /etc/samba/smb.conf
> /etc/exim.conf
> /etc/ppp
> /etc/init.d/firewall
> /root/.fetchmailrc
> /etc/modules
> /etc/modules/conf
> ~/
> /root
> /usr/src/linux/.config
> 
> Does /usr/src/linux/.config mean I could recompile a working kernel without
> running make menuconfig?  If not, what other files are needed.
> 

RE: Why is Debian lagging so much behind Slackware?

[adcarlson]

I'd say go with Woody (compared to Slack), provided you can do a boot off of
CD...I wasn't aware of the boot-disk issue.  I started with Potato about 8
months ago, and just apt-get updated to Woody in the last few weeks.

Tried Slack way back (a number of years ago) and found it more difficult for a
newbie (I was that at the time).  For a true newbie, I'd say go SuSE, or
Mandrake.  After cutting your teeth on a version, then slide into Debian (or
something Debian based...like Progeny).  In short, I've never been impressed
with Slackware.

On 15-Aug-2001 Gilles Pelletier wrote:
> We're a small group mulling over the respective merits of Debian and
> Slackware for a newbie. Of course, since apt-get takes care of installing
> dependencies and upgrading the whole installed software, we were leaning
> towards Debian. The newbie, even though his concerns for security are
> limited, wouldn't have to care too much about it.
> 
> Only a "tiny" problem remains. Potato is not up to date and it's apparently
> difficult to upgrade software unless you get patches at specialised places
> ( http://kde.tdyc.com for the KDE 2.x serie, for instance. ) You then must
> hope the patch is well done.
> 
> We though about installing Woody, but, as you people know, the boot
> disquettes don't boot yet. Potato must first be installed and an upgrade
> made to Woody. Newbies might not appreciate...
> As for Woody, once again, it's going to be out... when it's ready, which
> might as well mean in June 2002, one year after Slack was out.
> 
> How the hell is Volkerding and his small pack managing to put out Slack 8
> with XFree86 4.1.0, kernel 2.4.5, KDE 2.1.2, GNOME 1.4, glibc 2.2.3,
> Mozilla, Galeon, Nautilus, ProFTPD, OpenSSH, OpenSSL, mod_ssl, mod_php...
> and all the usual utilities, hardly 3 months after Mandrake rushed out
> their broken down distro? Has anybody heard that Slackware isn't safe : ) ?
> 
> Is apt-get really worth this huge delay? We do plan to teach the newbie
> some fundamentals.
> 
> BTW, in case you wouldn't know, even newbies like to be cutting edge...
> even more so than oldies I'd say : )
> 
> GP
> 
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> 
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> chrétiens.
> 
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> 
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Re: galeon on woody?

[dman]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 08:13:37AM +1000, Alan E Davis wrote:
| the new Galeon rocks.   To the max.
| 
| How can I install galeon on woody?  I seem to remember a line for
| /etc/apt/sources.list; but I cannot find it on the list archives.

I no longer have the apt line from my sources.list because I simply
downloaded the packages from sid (and all dependencies).  See
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/non-us/galeon.html.

I have 0.11.0-1.1

-D

major xdm install problems

[R1nso13]

when installing xdm_4.0.3-4i386.deb using dpkg_1.9.16.deb i get the following 
error message:
"Error: /usr/x11R6/lib/x11/xdm symbolic link does not exitst. Either the 
package didin't ship w/ a symbolic link (a bug in the backage), or dpkg 
failed to unpack it to the filesystem (a bug in dpkg).
Please contact debian-x@lists.debian.org"
as i'm not subscribed to that list i figured i just mail this one instead... 
if there's ever been a time when i felt i had justification for asking for 
help, it'd be now when the program flat out tells me to : ).

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[dman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:55:19PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
| dman wrote:
| 
| (snip)
| 
| > I use GNOME 1.4 with Sawfish.  I like it a lot.  I've tried various
| > other window managers in various contexts including mwm, fvwm2,
| > afterstep, windowmaker, elightenment, and CDE and I have found that
| > Sawfish is the best of them.
| 
| Sounds good.  I have heard a little about Sawfish.  Is that compatible 
| with potato?  My only very very slight hesitancy or curiosity is that my 
| installation is as straight as I know a stable installation.  The setup 
| I have is what got installed by choosing most of the packages.  I want 
| to find the easiest path for unskilled people I might be helping.

In potato it is called "sawmill".  Sawmill is the original name, but
some company politely requested the name be changed because it was too
similar to the name of one of their products.

One reason I like sawfish is because it is quite lightweight and plays
nicely with a desktop environment.  Some WMs (ie afterstep and
windomaker) were made prior to desktop environments on Unix so they
have their own panel, etc, which doesn't play as nice with GNOME (or
KDE).

| > Ok, since you have the NICs and cable, I'll send you a snippet of my
| > /etc/network/interfaces file when I get home.  Just cut-n-paste it in
| > (adjusting any data as necessary) and you will have a connection.
| > Getting application-level connections to be useful can be a different
| > story, but the network-level connection is pretty easy once you have
| > the hardware.
| 
| Thanks.  I can learn this stuff either way so I don't mind help of any 
| kind.  I have actually taught a Novell 5 software course and tried 
| unsucessfully to network my two machines with W98SE.

/etc/network/interfaces describes the network interfaces your system
has.  It should already contain the loopback interface :

auto lo
iface lo inet loopback

You now want to add your ethernet interface :

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 192.168.0.1
netmask 255.255.255.0
#gateway 192.168.0.2

You can pick any address you want in the range reserved for private
networks.  192.168.0.* is the Class C private network range.  The
netmask indicates how many bits are for the network address and how
many are specific to this host.  The gateway option is only needed on
the machine that does not have internet access.  That option indicates
that all packets that don't already have a destination should be
routed via that host/IP.

The 'auto' line indicates that the interface should be brought up
automatically at boot time.  At any time root can run 'ifup '
to bring up an interface and 'ifdown ' to take it down.
'ifconfig' will display information about currently configured
interfaces.

You will want to 'apt-get install ipmasq' on the internet connected
machine sooner or later.


--- ppp stuff now ---
You were the one asking about PPP config stuff, right?  Ok, well I
booted that 486 to grab all the PPP config stuff from it.  The file
/etc/ppp/peers/provider is the default pppd config file.  It contains
a line that by default is 

# The chat script (be sure to edit that file, too!)
connect "/usr/sbin/chat -v -f /etc/chatscripts/provider"

This states that /etc/chatscripts/provider is the chat script used by
this pppd config to initialize the modem.

My chatscript looks like

ABORT   BUSY
ABORT   "NO CARRIER"
ABORT   VOICE
ABORT   "NO DIALTONE"
""  AT&F&C1&D2
OK  ATL0
OK  ATM0
OK  ATDT*80,4272000
Verification ""
name:--name:--name:--name:--name:--name:--name:   my_name
word:  my_password
"IT Local>"  ppp
~ ""

Basically it means: abort on these error conditions, expect nothing
then send the modem init string, expect OK and send the next string,
again (basically turning off the speaker), expect OK send the dial
command (& phone number), expect some string my ISP spits back and
send nothing (this prevents it from timing out sometimes), expect
"name:" (with some error handling I don't understand, I copied it) and
send my login name, expect "word:" and send my pass word, expect the
prompt and run ppp on the remote system, expect ~ (the beginning of
ppp connection) and send nothing.  Chat is very easy to configure once
you have used minicom to determine what strings and prompts your ISP
sends.  If it doesn't see the string it expects it is an error.  When
chat terminates (once it has seen the '~') pppd takes over the
connection and maintains the PPP connection.

--- ---


HTH,
-D

Re: xfstt and emacs: weird fonts

[Alan Shutko]

Andrew Perrin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Has anyone experienced this before? Any way to get emacs to use a
> somewhat more normal font for the menus?

I use 

Emacs*menubar*background: gray
Emacs*menubar*font: -monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-*-90-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*menu*font: -monotype-arial-medium-r-normal-*-*-90-*-*-p-*-iso8859-1
Emacs*menu*background: gray

in my .Xresources.

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Re: gnome/mouseroller

[Jeff Maxson]

running X 4.1, and that didn't seem to do the trick.  I tried

Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"

as well, which it at least accepted, but didn't work.  Seems to move the
pointer up when I scroll up (but not down when scroll down), and doesn't
do anything to the screens (scrolling netscape, for example).

Jeff

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Rafael Sasaki wrote:

> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:04:35AM -0400, Jeff Maxson wrote:
>
> > now for the mouse roller and I am SET!
>
> Hi,
>   if the mouse roller is the wheel, I just put on se Section "Pointer" of
> XF86Config file the line:
>   ZAxisMapping4 5
> and it`s working fine.
>
> HTH,
>   Rafael Sasaki
>
>
>

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Quota command not working

[Tadeusz Bak]

Hi all,

System: Debian 2.2r3, kernel 2.2.19. Quota support is basically working
because users can't exceed the hard limit. Also the command 'repquota'
displays correct settings for all users. However the command 'quota'
issued by user or 'quota -u user' issued by root always results in:

Disk quotas for user ... : none

According to the manual page the output should show disk usage and set
limits. Do you have any ideas what may be wrong? Thanks!

--
  Tad

Re: Ceating Web interface for Debian?

[stevencooper]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 05:49:41PM -0400, Alan Shutko wrote:
> "Lance Hoffmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> First, learn CGI, JSP, or similar technologies

I would also consider using Python with mod_python, assuming you have
an Apache server.  Python is a great languange for munging text config
files.  And also performs CGI-like services well.

Regards,
Steve

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xfstt and emacs: weird fonts

[Andrew Perrin]

Greetings-

I've just been experimenting with xfstt on my two machines (home and
work), each running debian linux 2.2r3 (kernel 2.2.17pre19) to be able
to use truetype fonts.  

At home, it worked fine until today.

At the office, emacs' menus showed up in a bizarre, bar-code font that
made emacs impossible to use. I turned off xfstt (actually just took
out the line that set X to use xfstt) and the problem went away.

Today, I had to reboot my home machine (first time in several weeks)
and when I did so, the emacs menus showed up in another strange
truetype font (looks like old west saloon writing).  It's useable, but
very odd.

Has anyone experienced this before? Any way to get emacs to use a
somewhat more normal font for the menus?

Thanks.


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Re: Suspicious behavior: cracked or just a dying machine?

[Andrew Perrin]

Thanks to all who answered - I believe what actually happened was
heat-related more than anything else. The air conditioning in our house
died while we were at work, making the computer area beastly hot. I came
home, tried to reboot, and the BIOS didn't see two of the four IDE drives
(including the one that contains /).  Opened the machine, let it cool for
a while, and it booted fine. Thanks again!


Andy

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 Assistant Professor of Sociology, U of North Carolina, Chapel Hill
  269 Hamilton Hall, CB#3210, Chapel Hill, NC 27599-3210 USA


On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:49:12AM -0400, Andrew Perrin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Folks-
> > 
> > I just logged in (from work) to my home machine to copy a file I
> > needed. It's behaving very weirdly, and I'd love some advice as to whether
> > you think I've been cracked or it's likely just a hardware issue. I'd
> > strongly prefer not to shutdown remotely, but will do so rather than
> > waiting until I get home tonight if y'all think that's what's appropriate.
> 
> Looks suspicious based on what you post, though I wouldn't put it past
> bad memory.  The log is IIRC an old portmapper crack attempt.  Things to
> do:
> 
>   - If you've got the sash shell (preferably a copy from known good
> media), use it and its builtins to test your system.
> 
>   - As soon as possible, get the system offline.
> 
>   - Boot known good media (I like the LinuxCare BBC or a similar
> linux-on-CD live system), and see what it takes to try to get
> debsums running.  Make sure the debsums database is up-to date.  Or
> check for other obvious discrepencies.
> 
>   - If you find you have been cracked, a restore of all system
> directories is strongly advised.
> 
> > The machine is a (rather old) Pentium 200, 92MB RAM, with lots of stuff
> > plugged in(nVidia graphics, Adaptec SCSI running a CD-ROM and a Zip drive,
> > and four IDE hard drives of various sizes).  It's running deiban 2.2r3,
> > kernel 2.2.19pre17 with all current patches.
> 
> > 1.) There's nobody doing anything on the machine, and yet I get the
> > following load averages:
> >  11:43am  up 6 days, 22:06,  6 users,  load average: 1.42, 1.50, 1.31
> 
> Highish.  Could be, say, disk problems hitting the kernel.
> 
> > 2.) top segfaults:
> > nujoma:~> top
> > Segmentation fault
> 
> Bad.
> 
> > 3.) man doesn't work:
> > nujoma:~> man ps
> > /usr/bin/man: Input/output error.
> 
> This points to HW issues IMO.
> 
> > 5.) Can't write my / filesystem (/home):
> > nujoma:~> touch foo
> > touch: foo: Read-only file system
> 
> > However, mount shows it as rw:
> 
> How about /proc/mounts?  /etc/mtab is often out-of-date when other
> issues exist with a system.  Particularly if / is mounted ro.
> 
> Note that most fstabs will remount / readonly if there are disk errors,
> as the line below shows.
> 
> > nujoma:~> mount
> > /dev/hdb3 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro)
> 
> > 6.) shutdown -r also segfaulted, so I can't reboot remotely.
> 
> umount all partitions but root.  Then try halt -n.
> 
> It's not friendly, but it may kill the system.
> 
> > I don't see anything suspicious in the logs, with the exception of the
> > following that I seem to get at least once a day:
> > 
> > Aug 14 17:38:43 nujoma /sbin/rpc.statd[257]: gethostbyname error for
> > ^X
> 
> portmapper thing.  Drop the packets with a firewall.
> 
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Re: Upgrading kernel with dpkg.

[Vineet Kumar]

* A. Didit Mifanto ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [010815 17:43]:
> Hello dpkg-er :
> 
> I'm currently using potato 2.2r2 with kernel 2.2.18pre21 and want to upgrade 
> to newest 
> kernel in potato stable  package (2.2.19) and may be kernel 2.4 if possible.
> 
> As comparison, in RedHat, I can upgrade kernel full handled by rpm tool 
> (needn't to compile) without any modules dependancy 
> problems.

By saying you needn't compile it, I take it you mean you're running a
vanilla (stock) kernel-image? If that's the case, just install the new
kernel image from dselect or apt-get like you would other packages.
(It'll look something like kernel-image-2.2.19 or
kernel-image-2.4.8-k6) If you're running a custom kernel, then there's
no way around recompiling. Go with the kernel-package process like
someone else has already suggested.

Cheers,

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Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP

[W. Paul Mills]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Randy Reames) writes:

> I seriously doubt Linux or Open Source will be ever outlawed. No
> matter what MS does. Too many companies rely on it (whether they 
> admit it or not). Hotmail is still full of FreeBSD machines.
> Besides even Hollywood, one of the biggest industries in the US is
> converting.
> 
> http://news.excite.com/news/r/010814/21/tech-linux-hollywood
> 
> Sure the home desktops and office servers run Windows, but where it
> counts its either Linux or Unix, and with the slump in the hi-tech 
> industry - proprietary, expensive Unix's are being replaced with Linux.
> 
> $.02


Even the US Postal Service uses Linux ;-)




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Re: Upgrading kernel with dpkg.

[Antonio Rodriguez]

apt-get install kernel-source-2.2.19
cd /usr/src/
make menuconfig; or make xconfig
make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg --revision=custom.whateveryouwant kernel_image
cd ../
dpkg -i kernel*19.deb

For more info, read all about kernel-package; make-kpkg


- Original Message -
From: "A. Didit Mifanto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 8:37 PM
Subject: Upgrading kernel with dpkg.


> Hello dpkg-er :
>
> I'm currently using potato 2.2r2 with kernel 2.2.18pre21 and want to
upgrade to newest
> kernel in potato stable  package (2.2.19) and may be kernel 2.4 if
possible.
>
> As comparison, in RedHat, I can upgrade kernel full handled by rpm tool
(needn't to compile) without any modules dependancy
> problems.
>
> How  can I upgrade my kernel in Debian using dpkg?, what the steps and
where I can see the documents about  kernel upgrade in
> debian?
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Didit
>
>
>
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ddd/kdb dep: gdb 5.0 ?

['cduck' Chris Grierson]

i did a woody install the other day and ddd and kdb both
demand gdb 5.0, but the 'current' woody package is 4.18.

i overrode the deps and things installed (dselect from
the install script).  is this something the gdb package
maintainer should be notified about, or the ddd/kdb ones
or none of the above?

-chris grierson

[ Structural Informatics Group  ]
[ Dept. of Biological Structure ]
[ University of Washington  ]

[ 206.616.7356:office ]
[ 206.795.4998:cell   ]

Upgrading kernel with dpkg.

[A . Didit Mifanto]

Hello dpkg-er :

I'm currently using potato 2.2r2 with kernel 2.2.18pre21 and want to upgrade to 
newest 
kernel in potato stable  package (2.2.19) and may be kernel 2.4 if possible.

As comparison, in RedHat, I can upgrade kernel full handled by rpm tool 
(needn't to compile) without any modules dependancy 
problems.

How  can I upgrade my kernel in Debian using dpkg?, what the steps and where I 
can see the documents about  kernel upgrade in
debian?


Thanks

Didit

Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP

[Randy Reames]

Meanwhile, behind the facade of an innocent looking bookstore Allen Linkenhoker 
wrote:
> Matt, regarding the potential outlawing of Linux:
> 
> They can take my install CD when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.
> 
> (with no apologies whatsoever to the NRA and Charlton Heston ;>)
> 
> Given that we've got the ultimate corporate whore in the Oval Office right 
> now, who knows what could happen!
> 
nip>

I seriously doubt Linux or Open Source will be ever outlawed. No
matter what MS does. Too many companies rely on it (whether they 
admit it or not). Hotmail is still full of FreeBSD machines.
Besides even Hollywood, one of the biggest industries in the US is
converting.

http://news.excite.com/news/r/010814/21/tech-linux-hollywood

Sure the home desktops and office servers run Windows, but where it
counts its either Linux or Unix, and with the slump in the hi-tech 
industry - proprietary, expensive Unix's are being replaced with Linux.

$.02

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Re: revtex problem

[Jeff Maxson]

can't help you, but I can say that the revtex on debian is still 3, not
the latest RevTeX 4 (latex2e finally).  Yeah, it's still pseudo-beta, but
it works great for me, and they accept manuscripts written with it as
compuscripts now.  Why hasn't that hit unstable/testing yet, anyway?

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Marcelo Chiapparini wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I need to create a table using revtex, but I can't. Something weird in going
> on with my installed revtex. I will be very grateful if someone could help me!
> The file compiles without problems in another machine, so this is a valid tex
> file.
>
> Thanks in advance for the help!
>
> Here is the tex file:
>
> --
> \documentstyle[aps,preprint,tighten,epsfig]{revtex}
> \begin{document}
>
> \begin{center}
> \begin{tabular}{|c|c|c|c|}
> \hline \\
> &$g_{DD\rho}^{(M)}(Q^2=0)$ & $g_{DD\rho}^{(M)}(Q^2=-m_M^2)$ & $\Lambda_M\,
> (GeV)$\\
> \hline\hline
> $D$ off-shell & 3.1 & 4.4& 3.5 \\
> $\rho$ off-shell & 2.5 & 4.6& 1.0 \\
> \hline
> \end{tabular}
> \end{center}
>
> \end{document}
> 
>
>
> and here is the output I get:
>
>
> -
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~/work/papers/qcdsr$ latex table.tex
> This is TeX, Version 3.14159 (Web2C 7.3.1)
> (table.tex
> LaTeX2e <1998/12/01> patch level 1
> Babel  and hyphenation patterns for american, french, german, ngerman, 
> n
> ohyphenation, loaded.
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latex209.def
>
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>  *
> !!WARNING!!!!WARNING!!!!WARNING!!!!WARNING!!
>
>  This mode attempts to provide an emulation of the LaTeX 2.09
>  author environment so that OLD documents can be successfully
>  processed. It should NOT be used for NEW documents!
>
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>  with the \documentclass command.
>
>  Compatibility mode is UNLIKELY TO WORK with LaTeX 2.09 style
>  files that change any internal macros, especially not with
>  those that change the FONT SELECTION or OUTPUT ROUTINES.
>
>  Therefore such style files MUST BE UPDATED to use
>   Current Standard LaTeX: LaTeX2e.
>  If you suspect that you may be using such a style file, which
>  is probably very, very old by now, then you should attempt to
>  get it updated by sending a copy of this error message to the
>  author of that file.
>  *
>
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/tracefnt.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/latexsym.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/config/latex209.cfg)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/rawfonts.sty
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/tools/somedefs.sty)
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/base/ulasy.fd)))
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/revtex/revtex.sty
> Filename: revtex.sty, v3.1 <1 July 96>
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/revtex/aps.sty
> Filename: aps.sty, v3.1 
> REVTeX message: NFSS detected! Assuming NFSS.
> (/usr/share/texmf/tex/latex/revtex/aps12.sty
> Filename: aps12.sty, v3.1 
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>  \endtemplate
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> l.7 &
>  $g_{DD\rho}^{(M)}(Q^2=0)$ & $g_{DD\rho}^{(M)}(Q^2=-m_M^2)$ & $\Lambda_M\,
> ?
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> -
>
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Re: ppp 2.4

[John Galt]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Eric Whitestone wrote:

>Ok, this may be a dumb question. Is there a ppp-2.4 debian package? I
>upgraded to kernel 2.4.8 and someone told me i need ppp 2.4. I checked at

I assume that this is potato using the Bunk packages?  Sid's ppp is 2.4.1.

>debian.com for ppp packages, and the latest one i saw there was ppp
^^^
There's one of your problems.  it's debian.org :)  Seriously, I'm thinking
you need to go ahead and get the ppp and it's dependencies out of sid.

>2.3.11-1.4. If there is a ppp 2.4, does anyone know where to get it?



>Thanks!
>

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ppp 2.4

[Eric Whitestone]

Ok, this may be a dumb question. Is there a ppp-2.4 
debian package? I upgraded to kernel 2.4.8 and someone told me i need ppp 2.4. I 
checked at debian.com for ppp packages, and the latest one i saw there was ppp 
2.3.11-1.4. If there is a ppp 2.4, does anyone know where to get it? 
Thanks!

IMP 2.3

[megglestone]

Hi..

Has anyone had success installing imp 2.3 on Potato?
If so.. how did it go?
Any hints?

thanks

Mike

Re: ssh and X11Forwarding

[Bud Rogers]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 06:41 pm, dman wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:13:50AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
> | When ssh-ing to a computer in my small LAN as a normal user and using
> | X applications, such as emacs, everything works OK. Howver, with su to
> | root on the remote box X is refused: Connection lost to X
> | server`host:11.0'
>
> Probably root doesn't have permission to connection to host:11.0.  I
> don't know what the solution is, though.

PermitRootLogin is a setting in sshd_config.  I think it defaults to no.

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Re: ssh and X11Forwarding

[dman]

On Thu, Aug 16, 2001 at 01:13:50AM +0200, Svante Signell wrote:
| 
| When ssh-ing to a computer in my small LAN as a normal user and using
| X applications, such as emacs, everything works OK. Howver, with su to
| root on the remote box X is refused: Connection lost to X server`host:11.0'

Probably root doesn't have permission to connection to host:11.0.  I
don't know what the solution is, though.

-D

Re: xv alternatives

[Henry House]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:10:46AM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> feh doesn't work here. It produces the thumbprints of the images but
> there is no way of enlarging them, either with the keys or the mouse.

Strange...have you tried fiddling with the options? There is a thubnail mode
which is specified by -t, but you can use other modes (e.g, -FZ for
full-screen, zoomed to fill).

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Re: screen (as in program screen) question

[Henry House]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 04:47:50AM -0500, will trillich wrote:
[snip]
>   $ echo "\e]0;Here We Go^V^Ga-carolling"
>   a-carolling
> 
> and your xterm/rxvt title bar will now be entitled "Here We Go"
> (unless it's overwritten by another instance, such as a command
> prompt as mentioned below)...

Sorry for not explaining better. The usual trick for setting the xterm title
(above) does not work in screen. I know it can be done, though, since Vim
still manages to set the xterm title while running inside screen.

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Re: eth0 problems all of a sudden

[petong]

On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:49, Andrew Agno wrote:
> Nathan E Norman writes:
>  > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:14:17PM -0700, petong wrote:
>  > > This machine is set up as a dual boot. If I boot back into
>  > > windoze, the card works fine, which is what is really
>  > > confusing...
>  >
>  >  Does your BIOS have a "PnP OS?" setting?  If yes, change it.
>
> Change it so that the setting reflects the fact that you do *not* have
> a PnP OS.  If it's already set for this, then your problem lies
> elsewhere.
>
> Andrew.

My problem lies elsewhere. The BIOS is set for no PNP OS.

Re: Getting off the list

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

I think there is a problem with the list-manager-software.  I have been trying 
to 
unsubscribe from this list at home (I am writing from work and do not wish to 
unsubscribe) for a week now, to no avail so maybe Mike is having the same 
problem?  Seems odd though, because
I left out of town for a few days and was able to unsubscribe from work with no 
problem?
Go figure.

Lance

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ssh and X11Forwarding

[Svante Signell]

When ssh-ing to a computer in my small LAN as a normal user and using
X applications, such as emacs, everything works OK. Howver, with su to
root on the remote box X is refused: Connection lost to X server`host:11.0'

Is the solution to be found with the X server or ssh/sshd?

X11Forwarding is enabled and Rootlogin disabled in the remote sshd and
X11Forwarding enable on the local ssh.

X has been working before, so probably some config files have changed
recently (I'm running sid/unstable). Openssh versions are 2.9p2.

Re: Account Migration from Novell to Linux

[Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira]

Em 15 Aug 2001 11:47:46 -0500, Michael Heldebrant
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> escreveu:

> On 14 Aug 2001 08:03:31 -0300, Paulo Henrique Baptista de Oliveira
> wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all,
> > I have a Novell server with 6000 accounts and more than 100 Win98
> > clients.
> > I want to migrate to Linux all the machines at phases.
> > At first, I will start with 15 clients and 1 Linux server.
> > The other 85 clients will remain Win98 accessing Novell server.
> > I plan to make Linux mount Novell volumes and Linux clients
> access
> > them by NFS and NIS.
> > My question is how to migrate these 6000 accounts to Linux NIS?
> > Is there a free tool for this? And a paid tool?
> > Thanks in advance,  Paulo Henrique
> > 
> 
> Is there an equivalent /etc/passwd file for novell or is it kept in
> some
> wacky database (forgive my novel ignorance).  If you can burn out a
> flat
> file of the users and passwords etc you should be able to hack out
> awk
> script to set variables for then running adduser one by one
> relatively
> painlessly.
Hi,
this is I dont know. It it's just passwd I know that is simple but I
dont have Novell knowledge for this.
Anyone?
TIA,Paulo Henrique
> 
> --mike
> 
> 


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Getting off the list

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Re: eth0 problems all of a sudden

[Andrew Agno]

Nathan E Norman writes:
 > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:14:17PM -0700, petong wrote:
 > > This machine is set up as a dual boot. If I boot back into
 > > windoze, the card works fine, which is what is really
 > > confusing...
 >  Does your BIOS have a "PnP OS?" setting?  If yes, change it.

Change it so that the setting reflects the fact that you do *not* have 
a PnP OS.  If it's already set for this, then your problem lies
elsewhere.

Andrew.

RE: Netscape as root, sndconfig

[Tony Bartholomaeus]

Thanks, I've got it sussed now.

Bartman

> -Original Message-
> From: Adam Bower [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 15 August 2001 6:42 PM
> To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
> Subject: Re: Netscape as root, sndconfig
> 
> 
> On Tue, 14 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:55:44AM +1000, Tony 
> Bartholomaeus ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > I recently installed Netscape Communicator, which works 
> great, except
> > > that I can't run it as root due to "security reasons". Does anyone
> > > know how I can get around this?
> >
> > Don't run it as root.
> 
> hmmm, not the most useful answer I have ever seen, edit the file
> /etc/netscape4/config and either uncomment the line which says
> ALLOW_ROOT=yes or add it to the config file.
> 
> Adam
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RE: Installation off CD

[Bob Koss]

>
> Whenever I try to instal debian linux 2.2r3 off the cd (bootable) it
> installs the basehurd.tgz archive but then I don't know what to
> do because
> if I restart the PC then when booting off the hard disk, on the
> command line
> it just comes up and says
>
> LI
>
> thats it! whats wrong, can you help me to install debian??


You have a disk partition problem. LILO, the boot loader, needs to be in the
first 8 megs of your hard drive.

When the installer asked you where you wanted to put the loader, did you
tell it in the MBR, or in the first Linux partition?

I always put it in the MBR.

Since you're doing a new install, I'd just start again.



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Re: Netscape as root, sndconfig

[John Galt]

Well, you failed to follow my expressed wishes, but I certainly will
follow yours...  followups to list only...

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Nathan E Norman wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:50:26PM -0600, John Galt wrote:
>
>
>> Telnet is a security
>> hazard because everything goes over in the clear, making the session
>> snoopable and vulnerable to password sniffing programs like dsniff.  If
>> you haven't seen firsthand how many passwords you can harvest on the
>> average network, you have no business slamming telnet (pop3 is
>> actually the biggest culprit: it tends to resend passwords on a periodic
>> basis).
>
>So you admit telnet is a security hazard, then resort to an ad hominem
>attack to defend it?

Ad HOMinem?  Who did I attack?  I was just using it as an example of the
difference between a reasoned argument and one based on faith.

>For your information, I've been a network engineer for some 5 years
>now.  I have seen how much information can be sniffed since as the
>engineer I was usually the guy with the sniffer.  Anything that passes
>information in the clear (telnet, ftp, pop3, imap, snmp ...) is a
>security risk.  I think I'm quite qualified to "slam" telnet, thank
>you.

Ahh, you took my rant as directed at yourself.  Well, I really didn't mean
to slam you, but now that you mention it...

>If you don't think "." in your PATH is a security risk, then you seem
>to know something that most UNIX people do not.

No, I think it is.  I also think that it violates POLS for DOS->Unix
users.

>To me, the most annoying thing about this thread is that if the
>original poster could READ he'd haver quickly found out how to run
>netscape as root, and wouldn't have had to trouble the list at all.

Well, how often is the proper answer "RTFM" around here?  Perhaps there
ought to be an RTFM bot on this list that replies to all messages with a
prettified version of RTFM...  Failing that time, unhelpful answers are
doing nobody any good.

>

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Re: eth0 problems all of a sudden

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 03:14:17PM -0700, petong wrote:
> This machine is set up as a dual boot. If I boot back into windoze, the card 
> works fine, which is what is really confusing...

Does your BIOS have a "PnP OS?" setting?  If yes, change it.

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Installation off CD

[bboy boy]

To whom it may concern,

Whenever I try to instal debian linux 2.2r3 off the cd (bootable) it 
installs the basehurd.tgz archive but then I don't know what to do because 
if I restart the PC then when booting off the hard disk, on the command line 
it just comes up and says


LI

thats it! whats wrong, can you help me to install debian??

thanks,
shazza

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galeon on woody?

[Alan E Davis]

the new Galeon rocks.   To the max.

How can I install galeon on woody?  I seem to remember a line for 
/etc/apt/sources.list; but I cannot find it on the list archives.

Thanks.

Alan Davis

Re: Module Errors not in Dmesg

[Kent West]

Trandahl, Steve wrote:


I am having trouble with some of my modules at during 
boot-up. I can see the error messages fly by, but when I use dmesg,

I don't see the errors. How can I find out what these errors and/or
warning messages are once Debian has booted?

Thanks in advance!

Steve Trandahl



>>Kent West wrote:




Trandahl, Steve wrote:
> Kent,
>
> It appears that X itself is the culprit.  I disabled gdm as you
> suggested, and was able to scroll backward through the history.  I
> didn't even know that you could do that, so I won in two ways.
> However, once I launched X using "startx", I could no longer scroll
> back.
>
> Thanks for your help


After making my post, someone corrected my misinformation; it's not X or 
gdm that's causing the scrollback history to disappear; it's the 
switching of virtual terminals that does it. gdm automatically switches 
the vt to vt7 (be default), so that's what erased the history. So I 
learned something from this exchange also.


Kent

Re: eth0 problems all of a sudden

[petong]

This machine is set up as a dual boot. If I boot back into windoze, the card 
works fine, which is what is really confusing...


On Wednesday 15 August 2001 15:04, Lee Elliott wrote:
> Hello petong,
>
> If you can, try another network card.  Looks like its bios may be fried
> - I don't like the look of all those ff's and it looks like it may be
> mis-reporting itself - the product code, revision and date aren't right,
> the ram, Rx/Tx split and transceiver settings have all changed.
>
> If you can't try another NIC, try this NIC in another system.  Have you
> actually powered the system down since this happened?  Try shutting down
> and then pulling the plug for a couple of minutes.
>
> I'm not a NIC scientist though;-)
>
> LeeE
>
> petong wrote:
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I am running unstable and yesterday I was attempting to shut down from
> > kdm and my machine froze. Upon rebooting, I had problems with eth0. This
> > is what I used to get on boot:
> >
> > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0
> > 3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others.
> > http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
> > See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt
> > 00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, 00:10:4b:12:1c:6a,
> > IRQ 11
> > product code 4e4b rev 00.9 date 10-29-98
> > 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface.
> > MII transceiver found at address 24, status 786d.
> > Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
> > 00:0a.0: scatter/gather enabled. h/w checksums enabled
> >
> > I now get this:
> > PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.0 ( -> 0003)
> > PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0
> > 3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others.
> > http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
> > See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt
> > 00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, PCI: Setting
> > latency timer of device 00:0a.0 to 64  ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, IRQ 11
> > product code  rev .15 date 15-31-127  Full duplex capable
> > 1024K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/
> > interface.
> > Enabling bus-master transmits and early receives.
> >
> > I then get the error
> > NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
> >
> > can anyone shed some light for me on this problem?
> >
> > TIA
> >
> > -pete
> >
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Re: eth0 problems all of a sudden

[Lee Elliott]

Hello petong,

If you can, try another network card.  Looks like its bios may be fried
- I don't like the look of all those ff's and it looks like it may be
mis-reporting itself - the product code, revision and date aren't right,
the ram, Rx/Tx split and transceiver settings have all changed.

If you can't try another NIC, try this NIC in another system.  Have you
actually powered the system down since this happened?  Try shutting down
and then pulling the plug for a couple of minutes.

I'm not a NIC scientist though;-)

LeeE

petong wrote:
> 
> Hi list,
> 
> I am running unstable and yesterday I was attempting to shut down from kdm
> and my machine froze. Upon rebooting, I had problems with eth0. This is what
> I used to get on boot:
> 
> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0
> 3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others.
> http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
> See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt
> 00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, 00:10:4b:12:1c:6a, IRQ
> 11
> product code 4e4b rev 00.9 date 10-29-98
> 8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface.
> MII transceiver found at address 24, status 786d.
> Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives.
> 00:0a.0: scatter/gather enabled. h/w checksums enabled
> 
> I now get this:
> PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.0 ( -> 0003)
> PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0
> 3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others.
> http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html
> See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt
> 00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, PCI: Setting latency
> timer of device 00:0a.0 to 64  ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, IRQ 11
> product code  rev .15 date 15-31-127  Full duplex capable
> 1024K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/
> interface.
> Enabling bus-master transmits and early receives.
> 
> I then get the error
> NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out
> 
> can anyone shed some light for me on this problem?
> 
> TIA
> 
> -pete
> 
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Re: How to answer

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:43:34PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote:
> >I don't think this is really true, at least not in GNU/Linux land.
> >mutt and gnus support Mail-Followup-To: ... what else is there? :)
> 
> Simply put, a whole world of MUAs (look at my headers for example, 

Note the smiley :)

>  sometimes I even use mh (not _n_mh) directly, I´m also known for 
>  invoking sendmail directly if needs be, but that´s another story).
> 
> >Debian listmasters believe setting
> >Reply-To: on listmail is harnful; FWIW I'm inclined to agree.
> 
> Setting Reply-To as a list-member or forcing a certain Reply-To ($list 
>  or $poster) as list-admin? I can´t find anything harmful in the 
>  former...
> 
> http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

Ah, perhaps I didn't catch your meaning then ... are you suggesting
that users set Reply-To: to the list?  I guess that's an option as
long as the user doesn't want to use Reply-To: for something else (e.g
they send from [EMAIL PROTECTED] but want replies at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
This argument may be a bit weak if you take into account the fact that
the user wants replies to go to the list and not to their address at
all).

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Re: Ceating Web interface for Debian?

[Alan Shutko]

"Lance Hoffmeyer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I checked out Webmin, but I would like to write my own simple
> interface specifically for my needs.  Any help or referrals to info
> would be appreciated since I don't even know where to begin

First, learn CGI, JSP, or similar technologies

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Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Paul Scott]

Craig Dickson wrote:

Paul Scott wrote:


Back to newbie type questions.  I am not clear enough on the ...


Back to first principles...

First, there is X Windows. This provides you with a graphical display

...

That was great!  At least it's now in the archives but maybe it should 
be in an FAQ somewhere if it isn't already.


Thanks,

Paul

Re: Problem with PPP

[John Hasler]

Eric writes:
> I am running Debian 2.2, and this was working fine but stopped working
> for some reason. I am pretty sure it was working after i upgraded my
> kernel to 2.4.8.

Did you upgrade the ppp package?  If not, do so.  2.4 kernels require 2.4
versions of ppp.
-- 
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Re: How to answer

[Robert Waldner]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 15:59:40 CDT, Nathan E Norman writes:
>On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:22:10PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote:
>> >>Many people object to being cc'ed (and so having to remember whether
>> >>they've replied to one copy of the message when they've encountered the
>> >>other one). If there's a Mail-Followup-To: header or a 'Mail-Copies-To:
>> >>nobody', it's a good idea to honour it.

>> s/Mail.*/Reply-To/

>> Most MUAs will only know what to do with a Reply-To, not anything else.

>I don't think this is really true, at least not in GNU/Linux land.
>mutt and gnus support Mail-Followup-To: ... what else is there? :)

Simply put, a whole world of MUAs (look at my headers for example, 
 sometimes I even use mh (not _n_mh) directly, I´m also known for 
 invoking sendmail directly if needs be, but that´s another story).

>Debian listmasters believe setting
>Reply-To: on listmail is harnful; FWIW I'm inclined to agree.

Setting Reply-To as a list-member or forcing a certain Reply-To ($list 
 or $poster) as list-admin? I can´t find anything harmful in the 
 former...

http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html

cheers,
&rw
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Re: The unwanted fish...

[Wayne Sitton]

Yeah, this question shows up every now and then.  It's a Gnome easter egg.
It's just a kind of joke.  Every so often it just shows up.  It never hurts 
anything, it's just for fun.

Wayne


On Wednesday 15 August 2001 16:08, Martin Fluch wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I know that this question was posted some time (some months) ago on this
> list (or debian-user), but I couldn't find the answer in the mailing list
> archives.
>
> I'm running unstable and (maybe) a month ago I spoted a fish swiming over
> my desktop from left to right, just a small one, just once. Today again.
>
> Does anybody know where this fish is coming from? (I'm a little bit
> confused, since I have never requested it and have no idea, how this
> little beast comes on my desktop.)
>
> Thanxs for any hint :-)
>
> - Martin

Re: Ceating Web interface for Debian?

[Lance Hoffmeyer]

Try Webmin.  (Web Administration)

>>> "Lance Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 08/15/01 10:54AM >>>
Does anyone know of some good resources I can read to learn how to create
a simple web interface that will allow me to change settings in configuration
files on my Debian system?

I checked out Webmin, but I would like to write my own simple interface
specifically for my needs.  Any help or referrals to info would be appreciated
since I don't even know where to begin

Lance Peterson

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RE: OT -- Microsoft's Smart Tags

[Marc Shapiro]

> Subject: RE: OT -- Microsoft's Smart Tags
> Date: Wed, 15 Aug 2001 10:07:59 +0100 (BST)
> From: (Ted Harding) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> Suppose you create a web page, and you make a word or phrase
> highlighted because it's a tag for one of your own URLs (i.e.
> _you_ want the reader to be able to follow a link at that point).
> 
> And suppose the word or phrase is one of the things that MS Smart
> Tags wants to hijack.
> 
> The question is: Who trumps whom?

As I understand it, if a "Smart Tag" and a link overlap a menu would
come up to ask the user which one to take.  Better than hijacking the
link completely, but not by much.  I hope that "Smart Tags" stay on a
permanent hold.

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Re: XFree 4.1.0

[Sven Gaerner]

http://people.debian.org/~cpbotha

/etc/apt/sources.list entries
deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf410_potato/i386/
deb http://people.debian.org/%7Ecpbotha/ xf410_potato/all/

Withing xf410_potato/ you'll find a READ.THIS file with some information
which packages are also needed...


On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 06:09:17PM +0100, Stig Brautaset wrote:
> * Sven Gaerner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> spake thus:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > it is planned to provide XFree 4.1.0 debs under woody? Or do I have to 
> > install the potato ones from CP Botha?
> 
> huh? are there X 4.1 debs for potato? Please please please tell me where :)
> 
> Stig
> -- 
> www.brautaset.org
> 

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Problem with PPP

[Eric Whitestone]

Ok, when I do a 'pon', my modem dials and connects, 
but as soon as it connects it disconnects. I did a 'plog' to check and see if 
taht would tell me what the problem was. 'Plog' is giving me this:
 
asphault pppd[747]: Serial connection 
established
asphault pppd[747]: Couldn't attach tty to ppp unit 
0: Invalid argument
asphault pppd[747]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
asphault pppd[747]: Exit.
 
I am running Debian 2.2, and this was working fine 
but stopped working for some reason. I am pretty sure it was working after i 
upgraded my kernel to 2.4.8.
 
Any help with this would be greatly appreciated. 
Thanks! 

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Craig Dickson]

Paul Scott wrote:

> Back to newbie type questions.  I am not clear enough on the 
> relationship between window managers and desktop environments.  I just 
> found http://www.windowmaker.org/ which makes me think I am running 
> GNUStep with WindowMaker.  There is a GNUStep directory in /root.  Is 
> that likely to be what I got with the potato install if I didn't do 
> anything special?  I stupidly thought I was running Gnome because I had 
> all of these Gnome things like Gnome Terminal and GnotePad+.

Back to first principles...

First, there is X Windows. This provides you with a graphical display
and a mouse cursor and windows, but the windows have no border
decorations (title bar, buttons, resizing corners, etc.), and they all
just pile on top of one another in the top-left-hand corner.

A window manager is a special X Windows application that, as the name
says, manages your windows. It provides the window borders and handles
your interaction with them. It decides where to position new windows
when they are created. Often it provides limited graphical-shell-like
capabilities, such as root window menus.

A desktop environment is a set of graphical shell tools such as panels,
file managers, terminal emulators, and miscellaneous general tools such
as calculators and calendars.

To some extent the distinction between window managers and desktop
environments is arbitrary. GNOME and KDE are desktop environments, but
they come with their own window managers (Sawfish for GNOME, and I
forget what KDE's is called -- KWM, perhaps?). Enlightenment is a window
manager, but its newer features are heading in the direction of becoming
a full-fledged desktop environment.

You can use any window manager with any desktop environment (or no
desktop environment at all), although it's usually best to choose a
window manager that has special support (if any is needed) for your
desktop environment.

Also, you can mix desktop environments. It's quite possible to have,
say, GNOME and KDE installed at the same time, and run programs from
both of them at once. Most likely you would not want to run, for
instance, the GNOME file manager and the KDE file manager at the same
time, since they do the same things and you'd probably just choose one,
but there's nothing stopping you if you want to do that.

It's even possible to run programs from GNOME or KDE without running
their desktop tools. For a while, on a machine with somewhat limited
memory, I had GNOME installed, and ran GNOME programs, but did not use
the GNOME panel or session manager. (This caused a little bitching on
stderr from GNOME programs, but to no ill effect.)

Craig

Re: TCPQuota. possible bug?

[Michael Heldebrant]

On 15 Aug 2001 21:06:26 +0100, Nick Avenell wrote:
> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:00:08 +0200, in linux.debian.user you wrote:
> 
> >On 15 Aug 2001 14:03:11 +0100, Nick Avenell wrote:
> >> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:50:04 +0200, in linux.debian.user you wrote:
> >> 
> >> >On 14 Aug 2001 22:58:09 +0100, Nick Avenell wrote:
> >> >> I tried to install TCPQuota on my woody box (sacrifice) tonight, and
> >> >> couldn't. This is what happened:
> >> *snip*
> >> >> sacrifice:~# tcpquotad
> >> >> sacrifice:~# DBI->connect(tcpquota:localhost:3306) failed: Access
> >> >> denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: NO) at
> >> >> /usr/sbin/tcpquotad line 376
> >> >It appears that the script is not giving the correct option/password to
> >> >mysql because the log says Using password:  NO.  What does line 376 look
> >> >like?
> >> >--mike
> >> 
> >> -fragment of /usr/sbin/tcpquotad --
> *desnip*
> >> $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:$cf{'ENGINE'}:tcpquota:$cf{'SERVER'}");
> >> 
> >> ---end fragment
> >> 
> >> (Last line is 376)
> >
> >Looks like its inheriting definitions from the cf file.  What do ENGINE
> >and SERVER get defined as at the top of this file or in the config file
> >for the system. 
> -fragment of /etc/tcpquota/tcpquota.cf --
> #
> # Database interface.
> # Where is the databases running, and at what
> # port? (:). Do NOT forget the
> # port number.
> SERVER=localhost:3306
> 
> # Which database engine should we use?
> ENGINE=mysql
> -

Is there a PASSWORD definition (don't show me it on the mailing list
though if it is)?

It looks to me like you need to add one more argument to the
$dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:$cf{'ENGINE'}:tcpquota:$cf{'SERVER'}");
line.  I browsed around the perl cpan documentation to find this bit o'
info:

 my $dbh = DBI->connect('DBI:Oracle:payroll', 'username', 'password')
or die "Couldn't connect to database: " . DBI->errstr;


This leads me to beleive that you need to add a comma and then your
username and password for mysql.  Ie:

$dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:$cf{'ENGINE'}:tcpquota:$cf{'SERVER'}", 'root',
'yourpassword');

should go into your script.  I don't know why it isn't in there to begin
with.  Maybe this will work?

--mike

Re: Netscape as root, sndconfig

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:50:26PM -0600, John Galt wrote:

[ note; please don't Cc: me on list mails; I read the list.  This
request is pretty clearly laid out in my headers; I'm putting it here
as well so you have less of an excuse to ignore it ]

[ jeopardy style quoting undone, reply after the quoted material ]

> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:25:07AM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> >> > > > > I recently installed Netscape Communicator,
> >> > > > > which works great, except that I can't run it
> >> > > > > as root due to "security reasons". Does anyone
> >> > > > > know how I can get around this?

Below was written be Karsten M. Self

> >> > > >
> >> > > > Don't run it as root.
> >> >

Below wasn't

> >> > hmmm, not the most useful answer I have ever seen,
> >> > edit the file /etc/netscape4/config and either uncomment
> >> > the line which says ALLOW_ROOT=yes or add it to
> >> > the config file.
> >> >

But below was.  Someone's MUA has NFC how to quote, or someone's
playing games.

> >> > Again:  don't run it as root.
> >>
> >> Again, he asked *how* to do it. He didn't ask for people's
> >> opinions on whether or not he should. It's his business if
> >> he's runs it as root. It's his system.
> >
> >Ah, I see we will now look forward to posts from you condemning people
> >who suggest "kernel-package" when asked "why didn't my kernel compile
> >work; I used 'make bzlilo'", posts which point out that including "."
> >in your PATH is a bad idea, posts which conclude telnet is a security
> >risk ...
> >
> 
> Because Stevenson failed to attribute, I can't figure out who >> > > > is,

commented above.

> but that person wasn't being helpful.  A one line answer is appropriate
> sometimes, when that one line actually aids the person in question to do
> what they asked.  Otherwise, they're just wasting breath.  However, I too
> am getting tired of doctrinaire things like the . in $PATH, telnet
> vulnerabilities and so forth being quoted as the Holy Gospel, and like the
> Holy Gospel, supposed to be accepted on faith alone.

I'm not expecting anyone to accept anything on faith alone ... I'm
hoping people will accept information that has been gained via
experience as valuable.  If everyone has to experience disaster
firsthand, then let's get rid of the internet since sharing
information implies some bit of "faith".

> Telnet is a security
> hazard because everything goes over in the clear, making the session
> snoopable and vulnerable to password sniffing programs like dsniff.  If
> you haven't seen firsthand how many passwords you can harvest on the
> average network, you have no business slamming telnet (pop3 is
> actually the biggest culprit: it tends to resend passwords on a periodic
> basis).

So you admit telnet is a security hazard, then resort to an ad hominem
attack to defend it?

For your information, I've been a network engineer for some 5 years
now.  I have seen how much information can be sniffed since as the
engineer I was usually the guy with the sniffer.  Anything that passes
information in the clear (telnet, ftp, pop3, imap, snmp ...) is a
security risk.  I think I'm quite qualified to "slam" telnet, thank
you.

If you don't think "." in your PATH is a security risk, then you seem
to know something that most UNIX people do not.

To me, the most annoying thing about this thread is that if the
original poster could READ he'd haver quickly found out how to run
netscape as root, and wouldn't have had to trouble the list at all.

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Re: Suspicious behavior: cracked or just a dying machine?

[Andrew Perrin]

Additional information:

- cat /proc/mounts returns an input/output error after a long wait.

- ps gives the following message before returning its output:
nujoma:~# ps
Warning: /boot/System.map-2.2.19pre17 not parseable as a System.map


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On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Karsten M. Self wrote:

> on Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:49:12AM -0400, Andrew Perrin ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> wrote:
> > Folks-
> > 
> > I just logged in (from work) to my home machine to copy a file I
> > needed. It's behaving very weirdly, and I'd love some advice as to whether
> > you think I've been cracked or it's likely just a hardware issue. I'd
> > strongly prefer not to shutdown remotely, but will do so rather than
> > waiting until I get home tonight if y'all think that's what's appropriate.
> 
> Looks suspicious based on what you post, though I wouldn't put it past
> bad memory.  The log is IIRC an old portmapper crack attempt.  Things to
> do:
> 
>   - If you've got the sash shell (preferably a copy from known good
> media), use it and its builtins to test your system.
> 
>   - As soon as possible, get the system offline.
> 
>   - Boot known good media (I like the LinuxCare BBC or a similar
> linux-on-CD live system), and see what it takes to try to get
> debsums running.  Make sure the debsums database is up-to date.  Or
> check for other obvious discrepencies.
> 
>   - If you find you have been cracked, a restore of all system
> directories is strongly advised.
> 
> > The machine is a (rather old) Pentium 200, 92MB RAM, with lots of stuff
> > plugged in(nVidia graphics, Adaptec SCSI running a CD-ROM and a Zip drive,
> > and four IDE hard drives of various sizes).  It's running deiban 2.2r3,
> > kernel 2.2.19pre17 with all current patches.
> 
> > 1.) There's nobody doing anything on the machine, and yet I get the
> > following load averages:
> >  11:43am  up 6 days, 22:06,  6 users,  load average: 1.42, 1.50, 1.31
> 
> Highish.  Could be, say, disk problems hitting the kernel.
> 
> > 2.) top segfaults:
> > nujoma:~> top
> > Segmentation fault
> 
> Bad.
> 
> > 3.) man doesn't work:
> > nujoma:~> man ps
> > /usr/bin/man: Input/output error.
> 
> This points to HW issues IMO.
> 
> > 5.) Can't write my / filesystem (/home):
> > nujoma:~> touch foo
> > touch: foo: Read-only file system
> 
> > However, mount shows it as rw:
> 
> How about /proc/mounts?  /etc/mtab is often out-of-date when other
> issues exist with a system.  Particularly if / is mounted ro.
> 
> Note that most fstabs will remount / readonly if there are disk errors,
> as the line below shows.
> 
> > nujoma:~> mount
> > /dev/hdb3 on / type ext2 (rw,errors=remount-ro,errors=remount-ro)
> 
> > 6.) shutdown -r also segfaulted, so I can't reboot remotely.
> 
> umount all partitions but root.  Then try halt -n.
> 
> It's not friendly, but it may kill the system.
> 
> > I don't see anything suspicious in the logs, with the exception of the
> > following that I seem to get at least once a day:
> > 
> > Aug 14 17:38:43 nujoma /sbin/rpc.statd[257]: gethostbyname error for
> > ^X
> 
> portmapper thing.  Drop the packets with a firewall.
> 
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Re: How to answer

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:22:10PM +0200, Robert Waldner wrote:
> 
> >>Many people object to being cc'ed (and so having to remember whether
> >>they've replied to one copy of the message when they've encountered the
> >>other one). If there's a Mail-Followup-To: header or a 'Mail-Copies-To:
> >>nobody', it's a good idea to honour it.
> 
> s/Mail.*/Reply-To/
> 
> Most MUAs will only know what to do with a Reply-To, not anything else.

I don't think this is really true, at least not in GNU/Linux land.
mutt and gnus support Mail-Followup-To: ... what else is there? :)
 
I agree with the original statement ... follow (or find an MUA that
follows) Mail-Followup-To: and/or Mail-Copies-To:

The Reply-To: issue has been discussed ad nauseum; some troll brings
it up every few months on d-devel.  Debian listmasters believe setting
Reply-To: on listmail is harnful; FWIW I'm inclined to agree.

> And, as I have learned recently on debian-isp, the policy on all
>  debian-lists is to reply to the list _only_ unless it was otherwise
>  requested.
> 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2001/debian-isp-200108/msg00096.html
> 
> Anyone who knows the exact URL for that?

Of course I can no longer find it :/  I will admit that my memory
might be faulty and this is actually the policy for debian-devel, but
I'm reasonable sure my memory is correct.  I bet Branden knows the
reference for this nut he's got bigger fish to fry :)
 
> (Nathan, I cc´ed you because you might find that of interest, and I 
>  don´t know if you also read -user..)

Thanks for including this note; I do subscribe to d-user and was
surprised to see this in my inbox :)

Best regards,

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Re: Perl 5.6

[Faheem Mitha]

On Tue, 7 Aug 2001, Jason Price wrote:

> 
> I am currently running a stable distribution of debian, but want to get 
> Perl 5.6 installed.  I noticed it is not in the stable distribution.  
> What would be the safest/best/easiest way to get it installed?  I'm a 
> pretty new linux user, so be gentle.  :)
> 
> Thanks.

I did just this the other day. There is a polish site with backported debs
for potato. See the following url (from a recent posting on debianplanet).

http://www.grey.debian.pl/potato.html

You need to add 

deb http://potato.grey.debian.pl/ stable .

and/or 

deb-src http://potato.grey.debian.pl/ stable .

And then, perhaps, refresh and do 

apt-get install perl ?

I have perl installed, and dpkg -l gives me 

ii  perl   5.6.0-21potato Larry Wall's Practical Extracting and
Report

There also seem to be packages called perl-5.6. You could ask the packager
which one would be appropriate for your situation.

The system will replace the earlier perl packages by dummy packages so
that all the packages that have dependencies on earlier versions of perl
don't get broken.

Disclaimer: It worked for me, but I can't promise it will work for you.
Please don't blame me if it breaks your system.

  Sincerely, Faheem Mitha.

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Paul Scott]

Craig Dickson wrote:


dman wrote:



I use GNOME 1.4 with Sawfish.  I like it a lot.  I've tried various
other window managers in various contexts including mwm, fvwm2,
afterstep, windowmaker, elightenment, and CDE and I have found that
Sawfish is the best of them.



I second all of the above, except that my set of rejected window
managers is a bit different from dman's (Enlightenment, wm2, 9wm, aewm,
Blackbox, and I forget what others). I use Sawfish on Linux, and
Blackbox with Win32/Cygwin/XFree86 only because AFAIK nobody has ported
Sawfish to Cygwin and I don't like running window managers across a
network.



Back to newbie type questions.  I am not clear enough on the 
relationship between window managers and desktop environments.  I just 
found http://www.windowmaker.org/ which makes me think I am running 
GNUStep with WindowMaker.  There is a GNUStep directory in /root.  Is 
that likely to be what I got with the potato install if I didn't do 
anything special?  I stupidly thought I was running Gnome because I had 
all of these Gnome things like Gnome Terminal and GnotePad+.


I am not finding overview types of documentation in some areas or just 
not reading the right things.


Thanks,

Paul Scott

Re: Netscape as root, sndconfig

[John Galt]

Because Stevenson failed to attribute, I can't figure out who >> > > > is,
but that person wasn't being helpful.  A one line answer is appropriate
sometimes, when that one line actually aids the person in question to do
what they asked.  Otherwise, they're just wasting breath.  However, I too
am getting tired of doctrinaire things like the . in $PATH, telnet
vulnerabilities and so forth being quoted as the Holy Gospel, and like the
Holy Gospel, supposed to be accepted on faith alone.  Telnet is a security
hazard because everything goes over in the clear, making the session
snoopable and vulnerable to password sniffing programs like dsniff.  If
you haven't seen firsthand how many passwords you can harvest on the
average network, you have no business slamming telnet (pop3 is
actually the biggest culprit: it tends to resend passwords on a periodic
basis).

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Nathan E Norman wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 08:25:07AM -0400, Hall Stevenson wrote:
>> > > > > I recently installed Netscape Communicator,
>> > > > > which works great, except that I can't run it
>> > > > > as root due to "security reasons". Does anyone
>> > > > > know how I can get around this?
>> > > >
>> > > > Don't run it as root.
>> >
>> > hmmm, not the most useful answer I have ever seen,
>> > edit the file /etc/netscape4/config and either uncomment
>> > the line which says ALLOW_ROOT=yes or add it to
>> > the config file.
>> >
>> > Again:  don't run it as root.
>>
>> Again, he asked *how* to do it. He didn't ask for people's
>> opinions on whether or not he should. It's his business if
>> he's runs it as root. It's his system.
>
>Ah, I see we will now look forward to posts from you condemning people
>who suggest "kernel-package" when asked "why didn't my kernel compile
>work; I used 'make bzlilo'", posts which point out that including "."
>in your PATH is a bad idea, posts which conclude telnet is a security
>risk ...
>
>

-- 
There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with suitable
application of High Explosives.

Who is John Galt?  [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!

Re: How to answer

[Robert Waldner]

>>Many people object to being cc'ed (and so having to remember whether
>>they've replied to one copy of the message when they've encountered the
>>other one). If there's a Mail-Followup-To: header or a 'Mail-Copies-To:
>>nobody', it's a good idea to honour it.

s/Mail.*/Reply-To/

Most MUAs will only know what to do with a Reply-To, not anything else.

And, as I have learned recently on debian-isp, the policy on all
 debian-lists is to reply to the list _only_ unless it was otherwise
 requested.

http://lists.debian.org/debian-isp/2001/debian-isp-200108/msg00096.html

Anyone who knows the exact URL for that?

(Nathan, I cc´ed you because you might find that of interest, and I 
 don´t know if you also read -user..)

cheers,
&rw
-- 
-- "Women novelists are a bit like a dog walking
-- upon his hind legs; he does not do it well but
-- one is surprised to see that he does it at all"





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Re: Snort

[Fredrik Jagenheim]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 10:30:55AM -0500, Michael Heldebrant wrote:
> On 15 Aug 2001 15:15:00 +1000, Craig W wrote:
> > 
> putatively stable package.  Maybe the maintainer of the package 
> has some more insight.  Robert van der Meulen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> is
> listed.  Give him an email.

Don't count on it. Atleast he hasn't answered my email about what the
status for releasing snort 1.8. Not that he is under obligation to
answer any emails, just a warning that he might just not. :)

//Fredde

Re: Unresolved dependencies

[Günther]

> Given that nothing deity-related shows up in stable, I must conclude
> that you have a testing or unstable version of console-apt.  Problems
> like this are a fact of life in unstable and occasionally leak into
> testing also.  If you're looking at stable sources now after
> installing some unstable packages earlier, well... you can't expect
> the dependencies to match up cleanly.

Yes, that was the problem. I edited my source.list an some lines became 
mixed up and one line was "unstable" and that cause the dependencies
problems. Now it works.

Thanks.

Marcus

Re: How to answer

[Colin Watson]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 02:09:16PM -0600, John Galt wrote:
> Nobody ever did the reverse, when I set my mail-copies-to to my email, so
> why should the courtesy be one-sided?  I guess I'll reset the header, but
> I doubt it'll do any good.

My e-mail is weird at the moment, so I have Mail-Followup-To: set to me
and the list, and am getting a substantial number of copies. I can't
speak for Mail-Copies-To:.

(Cc'd on the assumption that, well, whatever.)

-- 
Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Ceating Web interface for Debian?

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:59:28AM -0500, Lance Peterson wrote:
> I use and love ssh.  But that's not what I'm wanting to accomplish. 
> Still need to figure out how to write a simple web interface like Webmin,
> but on a MUCH smaller scale.  There has to be a "how to update config
> files using a browser" document somewhere...I sure haven't found it.

Given the range of variation in config file formats (never mind the
contents), I doubt that any such document exists.

-- 
With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not
safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox
"To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license

Re: Unresolved dependencies

[Dave Sherohman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 09:09:30PM +0200, Marcus Günther wrote:
> When I type "apt-get -f install" I get the following:

> dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of console-apt:
>  console-apt depends on deity-curses; however;
>   Package deity-curses is not installed.

Step 1:  Try `apt-get install deity-curses`
Step 2:  If that didn't work, `apt-get remove console-apt`

Given that nothing deity-related shows up in stable, I must conclude
that you have a testing or unstable version of console-apt.  Problems
like this are a fact of life in unstable and occasionally leak into
testing also.  If you're looking at stable sources now after
installing some unstable packages earlier, well... you can't expect
the dependencies to match up cleanly.

-- 
With the arrest of Dimitry Sklyarov it has become apparent that it is not
safe for non US software engineers to visit the United States. - Alan Cox
"To prevent unauthorized reading..." - Adobe eBook reader license

Re: TCPQuota. possible bug?

[Nick Avenell]

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 19:00:08 +0200, in linux.debian.user you wrote:

>On 15 Aug 2001 14:03:11 +0100, Nick Avenell wrote:
>> On Wed, 15 Aug 2001 06:50:04 +0200, in linux.debian.user you wrote:
>> 
>> >On 14 Aug 2001 22:58:09 +0100, Nick Avenell wrote:
>> >> I tried to install TCPQuota on my woody box (sacrifice) tonight, and
>> >> couldn't. This is what happened:
>> *snip*
>> >> sacrifice:~# tcpquotad
>> >> sacrifice:~# DBI->connect(tcpquota:localhost:3306) failed: Access
>> >> denied for user: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' (Using password: NO) at
>> >> /usr/sbin/tcpquotad line 376
>> >It appears that the script is not giving the correct option/password to
>> >mysql because the log says Using password:  NO.  What does line 376 look
>> >like?
>> >--mike
>> 
>> -fragment of /usr/sbin/tcpquotad --
*desnip*
>> $dbh = DBI->connect("dbi:$cf{'ENGINE'}:tcpquota:$cf{'SERVER'}");
>> 
>> ---end fragment
>> 
>> (Last line is 376)
>
>Looks like its inheriting definitions from the cf file.  What do ENGINE
>and SERVER get defined as at the top of this file or in the config file
>for the system. 
-fragment of /etc/tcpquota/tcpquota.cf --
#
# Database interface.
# Where is the databases running, and at what
# port? (:). Do NOT forget the
# port number.
SERVER=localhost:3306

# Which database engine should we use?
ENGINE=mysql
-

Yours in total sincerity,

  Nick Avenell
-- 
From is valid, Sender is better.
Never underestimate the power of a dark clown.

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Craig Dickson]

dman wrote:

> I use GNOME 1.4 with Sawfish.  I like it a lot.  I've tried various
> other window managers in various contexts including mwm, fvwm2,
> afterstep, windowmaker, elightenment, and CDE and I have found that
> Sawfish is the best of them.

I second all of the above, except that my set of rejected window
managers is a bit different from dman's (Enlightenment, wm2, 9wm, aewm,
Blackbox, and I forget what others). I use Sawfish on Linux, and
Blackbox with Win32/Cygwin/XFree86 only because AFAIK nobody has ported
Sawfish to Cygwin and I don't like running window managers across a
network.

Craig

Re: How to answer

[John Galt]

Nobody ever did the reverse, when I set my mail-copies-to to my email, so
why should the courtesy be one-sided?  I guess I'll reset the header, but
I doubt it'll do any good.

On Wed, 15 Aug 2001, Colin Watson wrote:

>On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:35:44AM +0200, Joerg Johannes wrote:
>> Paul Scott wrote:
>> > Using Mozilla I hit Reply then I change the "To:" field to
>> > debian-user@lists.debian.org
>> > and go about editing the message.  (Occaasionially I forget and the
>> > reply goes to the original poster and not to the group).
>>
>> I tend to reply to the list, and to the original poster. I have two
>> email-adreses, one only for the list, and one (Which I set as Reply-To:)
>> for private mail. If, for some reason, I cannot look throught the list,
>> I still have the copy that comes directly to me.
>
>Many people object to being cc'ed (and so having to remember whether
>they've replied to one copy of the message when they've encountered the
>other one). If there's a Mail-Followup-To: header or a 'Mail-Copies-To:
>nobody', it's a good idea to honour it.
>
>

-- 
There is no problem so great that it cannot be solved with suitable
application of High Explosives.

Who is John Galt?  [EMAIL PROTECTED], that's who!

RE: Module Errors not in Dmesg

[Trandahl, Steve]

Kent,

It appears that X itself is the culprit.  I disabled gdm as you suggested,
and was able to scroll backward through the history.  I didn't even know
that you could do that, so I won in two ways.  However, once I launched X
using "startx", I could no longer scroll back.

Thanks for your help

> Kent West wrote:
> I've found that if you have xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm (I'm not sure 
> which one(s) 
> cause the problem) starting X automatically, about the only 
> way to find 
> these module errors is to look in the log files for the 
> individual modules.
> 
> A better way, is to disable xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm, then reboot. 
> When you get 
> logged in, you can then Shift-PgUp through the error 
> messages. (For some 
> reason, xdm/gdm/kdm/wdm seems to clear out the Shift-PgUp history, so 
> this method doesn't work if one of them is installed. Again, I'm not 
> sure which one(s) cause this behaviour; I'm currently using 
> wdm at home, 
> nothing at work, but I used to and don't remember which, and 
> it's been 
> so long since I've had to reboot, I've forgotten even which machine I 
> needed to look at these errors on.)
> 
> 
> Trandahl, Steve wrote:
> 
> >I am having trouble with some of my modules at during 
> boot-up.  I can see
> >the error messages fly by, but when I use dmesg, I don't see 
> the errors.
> >How can I find out what these errors and/or warning messages 
> are once Debian
> >has booted?
> >
> >Thanks in advance!
> >
> >Steve Trandahl
> >Cotelligent, Inc
> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>  
> >
> >
 

Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP

[Allen Linkenhoker]

Matt, regarding the potential outlawing of Linux:

They can take my install CD when they pry it from my cold dead fingers.

(with no apologies whatsoever to the NRA and Charlton Heston ;>)

Given that we've got the ultimate corporate whore in the Oval Office right 
now, who knows what could happen!


Allen Linkenhoker

From: Matthew Garman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian User's List 
Subject: Re: sysadmin won't allow linux - PLEASE HELP
Message-id: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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On Wed, Jul 11, 2001 at 10:24:45PM -0700, Jaye Inabnit ke6sls wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 July 2001 16:33, Matthew Garman wrote:
> > I've been particularly mad about all this recently, having just read an
> > article about our Redmond boys' new licensing plan. If I read the article
> > correctly, it said that on one of Microsoft's new products, their license
> > states that you cannot use their product with "viral" software. They
> > define viral software as free software with open source licenses (in
> > particular, GPL'd software, and software with similar licenses). They
> > literally cite Linux and Apache as examples of viral open source 
software.

> > Doesn't anyone else find this outrageous? This is the same as saying you
> > can't wear hand-me-down pants with your overpriced Abercrombie & Fitch
> > shirt. It's like a violation of your personal freedom.
>
> I would really like that url or publication name. I am also getting very
> irritated with the FUD&M$ camp_terror tactics. I have run across several
> articles of late that called linux many silly (completely giggle loaded)
> things. Yet, you are the first who has mentioned (yet another stupid) M$
> license where open source is coined as 'viral'.
Yup, I figured a lot of folks might want to see that article. Here it is:
http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2781989,00.html
Here's another link to the same article:
http://www.zdnet.com/intweek/stories/news/0,4164,2781638,00.html
> I realize this is just the tip of the burg. Running linux could soon be
> considered a crime in the US. . .
Well, if you believe in the increasingly more valid view that U.S. laws
are purchased by big business, then Linux could very well become criminal.
Given their current behavior, I wouldn't be suprised if Microsoft and
other software giants set up a huge anti-open source software lobby. It
wouldn't be too hard to scare old congressmen by using words such as
"viral" and giving contrived examples on why open source software is bad.
And I'm sure MS has deep enough pockets to *buy* a few key votes. Enjoy
Linux while you can!
Matt
--
Matt Garman, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
"I'll tip my hat to the new constitution, Take a bow for the new revolution
Smile and grin at the change all around, Pick up my guitar and play
Just like yesterday, Then I'll get on my knees and pray..."
-- Pete Townshend/The Who, "Won't Get Fooled Again"

eth0 problems all of a sudden

[petong]

Hi list,

I am running unstable and yesterday I was attempting to shut down from kdm 
and my machine froze. Upon rebooting, I had problems with eth0. This is what 
I used to get on boot:

PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0 
3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others. 
http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html 
See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt 
00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, 00:10:4b:12:1c:6a, IRQ 
11 
product code 4e4b rev 00.9 date 10-29-98 
8K byte-wide RAM 5:3 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/Autonegotiate interface. 
MII transceiver found at address 24, status 786d. 
Enabling bus-master transmits and whole-frame receives. 
00:0a.0: scatter/gather enabled. h/w checksums enabled 

I now get this:
PCI: Enabling device 00:0a.0 ( -> 0003) 
PCI: Found IRQ 11 for device 00:0a.0 
3c59x.c:LK1.1.15 6 June 2001 Donald Becker and others. 
http://www.scyld.com/network/vortex.html 
See Documentation/networking/vortex.txt 
00:0a.0: 3Com PCI 3c905B Cyclone 100baseTx at 0x6c00, PCI: Setting latency 
timer of device 00:0a.0 to 64  ff:ff:ff:ff:ff:ff, IRQ 11 
product code  rev .15 date 15-31-127  Full duplex capable 
1024K word-wide RAM 3:5 Rx:Tx split, autoselect/ 
interface. 
Enabling bus-master transmits and early receives. 

I then get the error 
NETDEV WATCHDOG: eth0: transmit timed out

can anyone shed some light for me on this problem?

TIA

-pete

Re: OT Ram upgrade options

[Allen Linkenhoker]

David, my post may be a bit late, but here goes:

In regards to your question about SDRAM, I would buy as much as I could 
afford of whatever is cheapest on pricewatch.com.  Theoretically, any 
faster memory should clock back to work with your system, as long as it 
fits into the slot (Don't buy RDRAM, OK?!).  You can get PC150 now as well, 
but it still should work.  One advantage of getting the faster stuff, even 
if your current board won't support it, is that if you do upgrade your MB, 
you can switch the RAM over to the new system.  I would buy name brand 
memory, e.g., Kingston, Crucial, etc.  The way RAM prices are these days, 
it's only a little more for the good stuff.  (Others, however, will claim 
the generic is just fine, and name brand isn't worth the extra.  This is 
simply my opinion and experience :>)


I would guess from the model no. that your board is running Pentium 
II/III/Celeron.  They are not as picky about RAM as Athlon boards.  On some 
AMD-based boards, getting the good RAM is essential, as these systems can 
have problems with slight timing mismatches between sticks, and between 
what the board expects.  Good luck, hope this helps.


Allen Linkenhoker
-new to Debian (Progeny 1.0), but I've used everything from Apple IIs to 
IBM mainframes over the last twenty years


Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2001 20:52:35 +0930 (CST)
From: David Purton <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Debian User List 
Subject: OT Ram upgrade options
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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I'm thinking of buying some more ram for my box.
This is foreign ground to me, and so I have some questions :)
background:
at the moment I have two 32MB sdram dimms on an ASUS TXP4-X mainboard.
My box is about 3 years old.
The mainboard manual has this to say:
Two sockets are available for 3.3 Volt Unbuffered SDRAMs of either 8,
16, 32, 64 or 128 MB to form a memory size of between 8MB and 256 MB.
Memory Speed setup is required through "Auto Configuration" in BIOS
Chipset Setup of the BIOS software. If both 60ns and 70ns memory are
used set "Auto Configuration" to 70ns. Do not use memory modules with
more than 24 chips per module.
questions:
1. I gather you can get PC66, PC100 and PC133 MHz ram. Does my board
limit my options to one of these speeds? If so, how can I tell which
speeds are supported?
2. Is there anything else I should be careful of?

cheers
dc

Today people in droves hurry up past Heumoz to Villars
on the road to the ski hills, so they can rush down them
as fast as possible, so they can hurry up again in order
to rush down again. In a way this is funny,...
Francis A Schaeffer
David Purton
http://www.chariot.net.au/~dcpurton/
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Paul Scott]

dman wrote:

(snip)



I use GNOME 1.4 with Sawfish.  I like it a lot.  I've tried various
other window managers in various contexts including mwm, fvwm2,
afterstep, windowmaker, elightenment, and CDE and I have found that
Sawfish is the best of them.



Sounds good.  I have heard a little about Sawfish.  Is that compatible 
with potato?  My only very very slight hesitancy or curiosity is that my 
installation is as straight as I know a stable installation.  The setup 
I have is what got installed by choosing most of the packages.  I want 
to find the easiest path for unskilled people I might be helping.




Ok, since you have the NICs and cable, I'll send you a snippet of my
/etc/network/interfaces file when I get home.  Just cut-n-paste it in
(adjusting any data as necessary) and you will have a connection.
Getting application-level connections to be useful can be a different
story, but the network-level connection is pretty easy once you have
the hardware.


Thanks.  I can learn this stuff either way so I don't mind help of any 
kind.  I have actually taught a Novell 5 software course and tried 
unsucessfully to network my two machines with W98SE.


Paul

Re: Problem: Distributed-net on Sparc

[Russell D Cook]

Thanks for the push in the right direction.  Our lan is behind
a firewall.  Starting with the info you sent me, and digging further
into the docs, I experimented with various settings until I've found
one I think is working - at least it's communicating the the keyserver!

I used the explicit IP address for the keyserver - 204.152.186.139,
and set the port to 23 (telnet).  Doing only one or the other did not
fix the problem.

Thanks for the help!  I'll be back if this doesn't work.

Regards,
Russ

Michael Heldebrant wrote:

> On 15 Aug 2001 12:45:31 -0500, Russell D Cook wrote:
> > Debian is 2.2r2, upgraded to testing/unstable.
> > Kernel is 2.2.18pre21.
> > Library is libc-2.2.3-9.
> >
> >
> >
> > Michael Heldebrant wrote:
> >
> > > On 15 Aug 2001 12:06:46 -0500, Russell D Cook wrote:
> > > > I installed the debian package - I figured there would be less 
> > > > likelihood
> > > > of problems that way.  Thanks for the reply.
> > > > Still need help.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Russ
> > > >
> > > > Michael Heldebrant wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > On 15 Aug 2001 11:40:16 -0500, Russell D Cook wrote:
> > > > > > I have 3 Sparcs running Debian unstable/testing.  I recently 
> > > > > > installed
> > > > > > distributed-net from a Debian package.  The software is running on
> > > > > > the three machines, but the log files are filled with the following
> > > > > > message:
> > > > > > Network::failed to resolve name "us.v27.distributed.net"
> > > > > > The machines have no problem with ftp or http access to the net, and
> > > > > > are on a lan.  The package runs fine on my x86 boxes at home.  Is 
> > > > > > there
> > > > > > some peculiarity about the distributed-net package with the Sparc
> > > > > > distribution?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Any help gratefully accepted:  I'm storing up many random keys to 
> > > > > > check
> > > > > > in.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I once ran into that exact same problem when I was running a glibc
> > > > > version of distnet on a libc system.  Did you install the debian 
> > > > > package
> > > > > or put your own?
> > >
> > > What version of libc6 (which dselect says it depends on) is the system
> > > running?  What release of debian are you running?
>
> Perhaps some previous users have solved it in one way or another for you
> below.
>
> Blatantly stolen from the distributed.net faq-o-matic:
>
> The most common reason is because you are located behind a firewall and
> the client can't get directly out to the internet. There are work
> arounds as described in the next section. Intermittent network errors
> can also occur due to poor conditions on your LAN, poor phone lines, or
> heavy traffic on the internet itself. There have been some problems with
> earlier versions of the client being overly sensitive to response times.
> These problems have been mostly resolved.
>
> If you are getting "Unable to resolve..." messages from the Linux
> client, you may be having a compatibility problem with the "glibc"
> library. There are two common, incompatible versions of glibc: glibc2.0
> and glibc2.1. You will notice that there are two Linux clients with
> "glibc20" and glibc21" in their file names. You must choose the correct
> version in order for name resolution to work. If you are not sure which
> glibc version you have, just try the other client to see if it works
> better.
>
> Starting with build v2.8008-459 of the client, there are now be a single
> unified Linux binary (for each processor architecture type), instead of
> separate ones for each architecture and library combination. The name
> resolution incompatibilities have been worked around by using "clever"
> dynamic symbol loading techniques, but this didn't work very well
> (problems ranged from segfaults to hanging threads to simply
> not-working).
>
> So, from 2.8011-463 on, the client does not even bother trying to work
> around the insanity introduced by glibc, and instead pipes/parses the
> output of 'host'.
>
> I noticed that (at least on Unix) a running client does not take any
> notice if you change DNS servers. Look out for spurious UDP packets to
> the old nameserver (netstat -tn), and a failure to flush buffers once
> the old nameserver has packed up and gone home. Restarting the client
> will fix this. This applies to any application that uses the ISC
> resolver, which only loads /etc/resolv.conf (into static storage) once.
> If you find that your Linux client is reporting this error, it's because
> you do not have the bind tools installed on your computer. Look for a
> "bind-tools" binary package in whichever packaging format is appropriate
> for your particular flavor of linux.
> Unfortunately, the only alternative to requiring bind-tools would be for
> distributed.net to release multiple, conflicting versions of the client
> for all the various libc permutations that exist.
> To simply set the address manually, also solves the problem. By using
> nslookup or ping, I found the IP address of t

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Bob Nielsen]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 01:51:02PM -0500, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:40:22AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
> > So it is true that even though Linux should almost never crash that X 
> > lockups like this happen and that there is no way to kill the X session 
> > from the same machine when it happens?
> 
> Well, X runs as root so it's able to cause rather spectacular problems
> :)
> 
> I'm late to the thread, so please excuse me if this has already been
> mentioned ... have you tried leftctrl-leftalt-backspace?  That should
> kill the Xserver unless the keyboard is AFU.  likewise
> leftctrl-leftalt-f1 should conjure up a console though again, if the
> keyboard is AFU this might not work.  At this point your best hope is
> leftalt-sysreq (assuming you've compiled this into your kernel :)
> 
> Barring that, external access is your best bet.  You should be able to
> pick up two cheesy ethernet cards and a cheesy hub for ~$50 USD.

Of course, if you are only linking two machines, you can eliminate the
hub, use a crossover cable and drop the cost to ~$20 USD or less,
depending on how cheesy a card you can find.  I'm still using 10base2
(which is probably hard to find these days) and NE2000 clones to run 3
machines without a hub.

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[dman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 12:24:33PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
| dman wrote:
| 
| > On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:40:22AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
| > 
| > | So it is true that even though Linux should almost never crash that X 
| > | lockups like this happen and that there is no way to kill the X session 
| > | from the same machine when it happens?
| > 
| > It can happen.  If X isn't responding, for some reason, but it is
| > consuming all keyboard/mouse input then that keyboard and mouse can't
| > do anything unless X decides to respond.
| 
| It was suggested off list that Gnome might be contributing here.  I am 
| interested in helping other people who might have single machine 
| situations.  Any comments about choice of window managers in this regard?

I use GNOME 1.4 with Sawfish.  I like it a lot.  I've tried various
other window managers in various contexts including mwm, fvwm2,
afterstep, windowmaker, elightenment, and CDE and I have found that
Sawfish is the best of them.

| > This is why it can be very
| > useful to have another keyboard attached to the system in some way,
| > either a console on a serial line or via ssh from another machine.
| > 
| > I've had some X lockups before, but usually ssh/telnet-ing in and
| > killing the offending app (not necessarily all of X) will correct the
| > situation.
| > 
| > BTW, networking 2 machines is really easy.  All you need are a couple
| > lines in /etc/interfaces and a (crossover) cable connecting the 2
| > NICs.  Alternatively you could get a switch or hub and use a
| > straight-through cable for each NIC to the switch/hub.
| 
| 
| Actually the NIC's and cable are in place.  I just have to do the basic 
| research here.  This is a part time project right now since I still earn 
| money in the M$ world.

Ok, since you have the NICs and cable, I'll send you a snippet of my
/etc/network/interfaces file when I get home.  Just cut-n-paste it in
(adjusting any data as necessary) and you will have a connection.
Getting application-level connections to be useful can be a different
story, but the network-level connection is pretty easy once you have
the hardware.

-D

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Paul Scott]

dman wrote:


On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:40:22AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:

| So it is true that even though Linux should almost never crash that X 
| lockups like this happen and that there is no way to kill the X session 
| from the same machine when it happens?


It can happen.  If X isn't responding, for some reason, but it is
consuming all keyboard/mouse input then that keyboard and mouse can't
do anything unless X decides to respond.



It was suggested off list that Gnome might be contributing here.  I am 
interested in helping other people who might have single machine 
situations.  Any comments about choice of window managers in this regard?



This is why it can be very
useful to have another keyboard attached to the system in some way,
either a console on a serial line or via ssh from another machine.

I've had some X lockups before, but usually ssh/telnet-ing in and
killing the offending app (not necessarily all of X) will correct the
situation.

BTW, networking 2 machines is really easy.  All you need are a couple
lines in /etc/interfaces and a (crossover) cable connecting the 2
NICs.  Alternatively you could get a switch or hub and use a
straight-through cable for each NIC to the switch/hub.



Actually the NIC's and cable are in place.  I just have to do the basic 
research here.  This is a part time project right now since I still earn 
money in the M$ world.


Thanks,

Paul

Re: Unresolved dependencies

[Günther]

> > about unresolved dependencies. I already tried the -f option but it didn't
> > work either.
> > 
> > How can I solve the dependencies problems?
> 
> all the time just using apt? strange symptom. dist-upgrade? how does
> your sources.list look like? give us a typescript or cut'n'paste of your
> apt session, so we can see more about this problems.

When I type "apt-get -f install" I get the following:
 
Reading Packages Lists... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 537 not upgraded.
1 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 0B will be used.
Calling dpkg with the following arguments...
/usr/bin/dpkg -- configure console-apt
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of console-apt:
 console-apt depends on deity-curses; however;
  Package deity-curses is not installed.
dpkg: error processing console-apt (--configure):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 console-apt
Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


Marcus

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[dman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:40:22AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:

| So it is true that even though Linux should almost never crash that X 
| lockups like this happen and that there is no way to kill the X session 
| from the same machine when it happens?

It can happen.  If X isn't responding, for some reason, but it is
consuming all keyboard/mouse input then that keyboard and mouse can't
do anything unless X decides to respond.  This is why it can be very
useful to have another keyboard attached to the system in some way,
either a console on a serial line or via ssh from another machine.

I've had some X lockups before, but usually ssh/telnet-ing in and
killing the offending app (not necessarily all of X) will correct the
situation.

BTW, networking 2 machines is really easy.  All you need are a couple
lines in /etc/interfaces and a (crossover) cable connecting the 2
NICs.  Alternatively you could get a switch or hub and use a
straight-through cable for each NIC to the switch/hub.

-D

Re: Classic Windoze lockup while in X (Gnome)

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Aug 15, 2001 at 11:40:22AM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
> So it is true that even though Linux should almost never crash that X 
> lockups like this happen and that there is no way to kill the X session 
> from the same machine when it happens?

Well, X runs as root so it's able to cause rather spectacular problems
:)

I'm late to the thread, so please excuse me if this has already been
mentioned ... have you tried leftctrl-leftalt-backspace?  That should
kill the Xserver unless the keyboard is AFU.  likewise
leftctrl-leftalt-f1 should conjure up a console though again, if the
keyboard is AFU this might not work.  At this point your best hope is
leftalt-sysreq (assuming you've compiled this into your kernel :)

Barring that, external access is your best bet.  You should be able to
pick up two cheesy ethernet cards and a cheesy hub for ~$50 USD.

Cheers,

-- 
Nathan Norman - Staff Engineer | A good plan today is better
Micromuse Ltd. | than a perfect plan tomorrow.
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