Re: [debian-user] still floundering -> PSEUDO-IMAGE

2001-11-02 Thread Blars Blarson
The pseudo-image kit is an overly-complicated dificult to use solution
to a problem that was temporary.  It attempts to distribute the
bandwidth utilization, but it actually winds up increasing it in
almost all instances. 

Ignore pik and just download the diban iso images.
http://linuxiso.org/ has them, other places can be found on the
debian.org web site if you lie about how you will be doing the
install.
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Re: www.debian.org not responding

2001-11-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:44:06PM +0100, Jakob B. Jensen wrote:
> P.S. Has anyone considered making the www.debian.org name be DNS
> round robin-ed amongst several of the mirrors (the mirrors would
> then mirror e.g. www.master.debian.org).  This could distribute
> load and increase uptime (if people hit reload on error).

IIRC this was discussed on the debian-www list a few years ago (I used
to follow the list when I ran a mirror; we were trying to help develop
this "website mirror" as well (well, we were helping inasmuch as we
had a machine with apache and rsync and 16G of debian archives :))

I think James Treacy was trying to get this going, but there were some
technical issues.  I don't remember all the details.  They may be in
the list archives.

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Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:37:35PM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
>   We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
> started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
> than a Clasic very well.

Now that IBM are playing nice(r), this may be the first glimpse some
people get of FUD.  Times change.

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Re: ISA AWE64 not detected

2001-11-02 Thread Donald R. Spoon
Chris,

I just went back and got a SB-64 AWE card going on a second machine that
I had just upgraded to "testing" last week.  Here are the steps I had to
go through:

1.  Using apt-get, install the following packages from Debian if you
don't already have them. "sndconfig", "awe-drv", and "isapnptools".  The
"awe-drv" package provides the "sfxload", and "sfxtest" programs
mentioned in the SB-AWE HOWTO, and used by the sndconfig program. 
NOTE:  The SNDCONFIG is expecting them to be located in /bin, and the
AWE-DRV places them in /usr/bin!  You will have to do an edit to fix
this later on.

2.  Create a new directory /etc/midi/.

3.  You will need to grab some soundbank files and place them in
/etc/midi/.  I copied the ones supplied by Creative install CD and
located in the WinME System directory that had the extension "sbk".  The
files were: sample.sbk, synthgm.sbk, synthgs.sbk, and  synthmt.sbk.

4.  Run "pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf" as root.  You have to do this
rather than use a copy of someone elses isapnp.conf file because of the
serial identifiers on your card mentioned at the top.  Each card is
different, and if this doesn't match, your card will not be configured!

5.  Edit the resulting isapnp.conf file to activate the same items as in
your "crib".  In addition, you will have to ADD the two extra soundbank
io ports as mentioned in the HOWTO.  These are not detected by pnpdump.

6.  Restart isapnp or reboot to get your card initialized.

7.  Run the SNDCONFIG program.  It recommends doing this from a
command-line prompt, as "root" instead of from within a terminal
window.  Answer the io/irq/dma questions with the values you selected in
isapnp.  It will re-do your modules.conf file and then test the setup. 
It WILL fail on he midi test, because it can't find the default
soundbank file that it is looking for (GU-11.sf2, I believe).  This file
isn't supplied with any of the Debian packages that I know about.  The
RPMs from Redhat does have it.

8. As root, open up /etc/modutils/sndconfig with a text editor and edit
the line starting with "post intall..." to read "post-install awe_wave
/usr/bin/sfxload /etc/midi/synthgm.sbk".  You can use any of the "sbk"
files installed in #3, but I liked the sound of the synthgm.sbk file the
best.  You can change the soundbank file used "on-the-fly" after the
system is setup by running this command (/usr/bin/sfxload
/etc/midi/.sbk).  If you like one better than the other just edit
this file again with the one you like and do step #9 again.

9.  run "update-modules" as root.

10. As root, open up /etc/modules with a text editor and add the
following below what is already there:

awe_wave
opl3  

[ note that is oh-pee-el three]

11.  Now you will have to get all this stuff loaded onto your system.  I
just re-boot and check with lsmod that all the new stuff has been
loaded.  I suppose you could use modprobe to install all the modules,
but I don't know how to do all that and get them configured properly.

You should be able to get sound now.  If you check the KMID (Midi Karoke
player) settings you should now see options for the AWE synth and the
opl3 synth.

All the above was done on a current "testing" install, running the
2.2.19 kernel.  If you are running the 2.4.X series of kernels, the
isapnp stuff probably isn't needed.  I don't really know, since I don't
have it here.

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-



Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread Cam Ellison
* [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Hello Faust et all,
> 
> 
> Back to the person's question, do you know of port 766 being reserved for 
> anything?
> 

I have a copy of Seifried's rather complete version of /etc/services.  Port 766 
is one of the very few that has no entry.  It is not in the stock version, 
either.

765 is webster (online dictionary)
767 is phonebook

I'd say it is not reserved.

Cheers

Cam


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[debian-user] still floundering -> PSEUDO-IMAGE

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Ugg, what a rite challenging day... I am having a dandy of 
a time "coming on board"... I put my ideological views aside and 
decided to get this beast installed.  It seems that my media (CD) 
is bad... note to self do not discard deb CD in dusty pile for 
six months.  Still, I will not go back to the Linux with the 
red hat nor the magically one ... yet ...

So know I am using THE PSEUDO-IMAGE KIT VERSION 2.0, to get 
the R3 image.  As Karsten M. Self so apt'ly (pun intended)
put it, "docs are frequently outdated".  

I do not imagine that it was done in spite ;-) but the README 
talks about using "When using an FTP site", 
"When using an HTTP site", "It is advisable to verify this 
(e.g. using a web browser) before attempting the pseudo-image 
generation."

whereas the website 
(http://cdimage.debian.org/rsync-mirrors.html) reads

Note: These sites do NOT offer the images via FTP or HTTP 
-- no use in trying! Instead, they use the rsync protocol, 
which is much more efficient. Everything you need is in the 
Pseudo-Image Kit, including extensive information on downloading 
procedures. 

LOL!  Further, many of the servers are listed with a funny 
format rsync.kernel.org::mirrors/debian-cd/ ... hmm... 
'::' is that a valid protocol? or is that to be tricky.  
I imagine it is the former, but 'make-pseudo-image' did not 
work for my -- tried a number of servers -- until I added 
either 'http://' or 'ftp://' and changed '::' to '/'

Who "owns" the README:

23 Sept 1999
J.A. Bezemer
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
?


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Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Hello Faust et all,

I completely disagree with you, Faust.  That view could be 
elitest.  If you have a problem with the question don't answer.

Sure, it is best to encourage people to be self sufficient 
-- they will also likely be the most successful.  Linux, Debian 
and most other software needs all the help it can get from lazy ppl and 
laypersons 
pointing out what makes a car intuitive and computers and most software 
frustrating.

Back to the person's question, do you know of port 766 being reserved for 
anything?

Faust, you likely have some mad skillz.  

Best regards,
Lloyd

- Original Message - 
From: "Faust Andrei Tanasescu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 9:10 PM
Subject: Re: Port 766 


> Everyone in this mailing list agrees with me when I say that in order to
> drive a car, you first have to know how to operate it. It's the same thing 
> with
> computing. How can you use a command if you haven't read the documentation,
> let alone the source.
> 
> Even if my remark seemed a bit compulsive, it simply reflects the fact that
> too many people ask questions that have no interest, given that they have the
> answer already on their machines, just wayting to be read.
> 
> And please, do not further send me messages on my personal email address.
> thanks
> 
> davoid
> 
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Re: potato 2 woody upgrade problem

2001-11-02 Thread Eric Richardson

Bob Underwood wrote:


On Friday 02 November 2001 20:26, Eric Richardson wrote:


Hi,
Added woody to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get -u dist-upgrade and
then waited a long time even on a DSL line to download and then the
following happened.

Get:489 http://http.us.debian.org woody/main xsitecopy 1:0.9.10-1
[151kB]
Fetched 229MB in 1h3m28s (60.1kB/s)

86% [Scanning packages]Template parse error near "" at
/usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DebConf/Template.pm line 102,  chunk 2.
E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt returned an error code
(29) E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt

Looks like after everything downloaded. Now I don't really have much of
a clue what to do. This is my first try with testing but have been
running potato for over a year with no problems.

Thanks for any help,
Eric :-)



I've had similar and have been able to resume everything by installing 
debconf (and it's depends) prior to the dist-upgrade.


apt-get install debconf apt-utils has corrected it for me in the past.


Thanks, I'll give that a try and report back to the list either way.
Eric 





Re: Recording CD's (data)

2001-11-02 Thread Blars Blarson
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
>On Fri Nov  2 11:57:15 2001 Justin R. Miller wrote...
>>You should check out the CD-Writing-HOWTO from a place like linuxdoc.org
>>or linux.com.  I got a CD burner only a couple months ago, and after
>>years of Linux had no idea how to use it.  The HOWTO is a good document
>>and explains what you need to do.  You basically need to use SCSI
>>emulation on this IDE drive in order to get burning capabilities.=20

>I went there and read through it, and after recompiling my kernek about a
>dozen times, I have to admit I'm stuck. Acording to the HOWTO, I should be
>able to run "cdercord -scanbus" and see my CD recorder. I' can't for the
>life of me make that work. 

You need to tell your ide driver to skip your cdr, and load the
ide-scsi module.  How to do that is in the howto.  You also need
scsi-generic support.  (But scanbus doesn't, so that's not your
problem.)

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Re: automate maildelivery

2001-11-02 Thread David Rose
proftpd in message automate maildelivery (Wed, 10/31 14:31):

> Hi,
> 
> I would like to have my linuxbox sending me the /var/log/messages file on a
> regular bases.
> 
> Creating the syslog correct is not the problem, neither to run cron.
> But how do i produce the mail including the attachment?
> 
> Many thanks
> 
> markus

I'm no expert, but you should be able to do it as root:

crontab -e

(add this line:)

* 0 * * * mail -s "your messages file" [EMAIL PROTECTED] < /var/log/messages

# this should email your entire /var/log/messages to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
# every night at midnight.

-David Rose



Re: IDE CD recorder, in machine with SCSI tape?

2001-11-02 Thread Thomas Zimmerman
On 02-Nov 08:37, Stan Brown wrote:
> K, at this point i've tried this on 2 different machines. Here's the
> scenarion
> 
> HP cd16ri CD recorder installed in machines with Aadaptec SCSI host card,
> each has exactly on device on the SCSI bus. Both are Debian potato +
> Progeny + 2.4x kernels ( one 2.4.3, and 1 2.4.9). On the machine at home I
> have the folowing modules loaded:
> 
> 
> Module  Size  Used by
> sg 22832   0  (autoclean)
> mousedev4496   0  (unused)
> input   3904   0  [mousedev]
> ide-scsi8112   0 
> aic7xxx   117072   0 
> scsi_mod   86368   3  [sg ide-scsi aic7xxx]
> ne  6880   1 
> 
> NOw, acording to the CD Recording HOWTO, I should be able to run "cdrecord
> -scanbus" and see what my avaialble devise are. Unfortunately, on both
> machines it just reports 7 slots, one of which has the SCSI tape in it.
> 
> How can I make this scenarion work?

As you have true scsi, you don't need ide-scsi. "cdrecord -scanbus"
should pick up all of your scsi devices. That it doesn't makes me
wonder if enabling your kernel to "probe all LUNs" will help. It is a
kernel config question.

> 
> BTW on the machine at home the tape device is really a tape changer, and I
> can control it using mtx, so I know the SCSI generic stuff is working
> corectly.

...and this shows that scsi works...

> 
> Thanks for any sugestions.
> 
> -- 
> Stan Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 843-745-3154
> Charleston SC.
[snip]

Thomas

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Re: packages - packages list

2001-11-02 Thread Shaul Karl
> My typing here was wrong but I did it right before.  I tried putting
> Packages and Packages.gz on a floppy all I get is an error:
> /var/lib/dpkg/methods/mnt/Packages does not exist.  I know I made a
> mistake during the install but I've been over the manual a dozen times and
> can not find where.  Any more ideas?  They are appreicated.  I'll try any
> suggested cure for this except throwing it away.
> 


As a preliminary, you should be able to switch to the 2nd virtual 
terminal (VT) by pressing alt+F2. You can get back to the VT I assume 
you are using by alt+F1.

(1) Can you make a short experiment with dpkg?
Can you open a file in the 2nd VT and write into it exactly what your 
keystrokes are and the system response? In particular, can you do it 
for the command dpkg -i theDebYouWant.deb where theDebYouWant.deb is 
replaced by some debian package you are trying to install? Finally, can 
you post here the file from the other VT?

(2) At the moment you get the error message you quoted before, can you 
switch to the 2nd VT and print to another file the output of the 
commands mount and ls /var/lib/dpkg/methods/mnt/ (and post here the 
contents of this file too?)


> Gerald
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Gerald A Spence" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: "Martin Kacerovsky" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; 
> Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 7:00 PM
> Subject: Re: packages - packages list
> 
> 
> > > > I have installed the base system via floppies ( only option ) and need
> to install additional "packages" to make "x" work.  When I use "dselect" It
> is looking for a disk with a "package list".  Where do I find it?
> > > >
> > > > I have tried "apt-get" and cannot get it to work on the floppy.
> > > >
> > > > I have tried "dpkg-i" and cannot get it to work on a floppy.
> > > >
> >
> >
> > Could you post the exact error messages (copy and paste?)?
> > Although it might be obvious, the way you wrote here dpkg -i makes me
> > wonder whether in your command line you typed dpkg-i or dpkg -i? Note
> > there is a white space character in the second dpkg -i.
> >
> > You might also consider copying the files from the floppy to the disk
> > in order to get things to run a bit more quickly.
> >
> >
> > > > I have run out of ideas.  Please help.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you
> > > > Gerald Spence
> > >
> > > I think that it looks for file Packages.gz. it should be at one
> diskette,
> > > you've used while installing (it should be the first)
> > > hope this helps
> > > --
> > > I am Martin Kacerovsky, student of the Faculty of Mathematics and
> Physics
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> > > on Earth, in the Universe where Linux operating system rules...
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Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal

2001-11-02 Thread David Rose
Craig Dickson in message Re: Launching URL from Gnome-terminal (Wed, 10/31 
08:46):

> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> 
> > on Wed, Oct 31, 2001 at 12:04:17AM -0600, David Rose ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > That said... how does one change the default browser for gnome-terminal 
> > > links
> > > to something other than Mozilla (as it is on my boxen)?
> > 
> > I would assume this is one of the gnome-handlers, though I don't use
> > GNOME.  Try mucking with ~/.gnome/Gnome under [URL Handlers].
> > 
> > ...and if I'm wrong, let me know ;-)
> 
> You want ~/.gnome/gnome-moz-remote :
> 
> [Mozilla]
> filename=mozilla
> 
> Change the filename= line to be whatever browser you want to launch.
>
Acutally, I used the information above, but apparently it's different on 
my system (unstable):

edit ~/.gnome/Gnome

change:
default-show=gnome-moz-remote --newwin "%s"

to:
default-show=/usr/bin/opera --remote "%s"

(for opera) should work for netscap, galeon, etc...
 
> There are also some things in the Gnome Control Center that may affect
> this. I recall there's a panel in there for URL handlers. You could
> probably sidestep gnome-moz-remote altogether that way. Unfortunately,
> I'm not at my Debian machine at the moment, so I can't check.

Like Karsten, I don't use Gnome window manager. Just the terminal. I prefer
Window Maker ;-)

> 
> Craig
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Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread Faust Andrei Tanasescu
Everyone in this mailing list agrees with me when I say that in order to
drive a car, you first have to know how to operate it. It's the same thing with
computing. How can you use a command if you haven't read the documentation,
let alone the source.

Even if my remark seemed a bit compulsive, it simply reflects the fact that
too many people ask questions that have no interest, given that they have the
answer already on their machines, just wayting to be read.

And please, do not further send me messages on my personal email address.
thanks

davoid

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Re: potato 2 woody upgrade problem

2001-11-02 Thread Joey Hess
Eric Richardson wrote:
> Get:489 http://http.us.debian.org woody/main xsitecopy 1:0.9.10-1 
> [151kB]
> Fetched 229MB in 1h3m28s (60.1kB/s) 
> 
> 86% [Scanning packages]Template parse error near "" at 
> /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DebConf/Template.pm line 102,  chunk 2.
> E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt returned an error code 
> (29)
> E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt

This is a debconf tepmlate in some package that probably has two blank
lines where potato's version of debconf only expects to see one. The
debconf in woody is much more forgiving of this problem, and if you
upgrade to it first, the problem will probably go away.

However, if you could first help me find out what package has this
problem so that I can arrange to get it fixed, maybe the next person
won't have this problem. Could you 'strace -o log -f dist-upgrade',
reproduce the problem, gzip the log and send it to me? Thanks.

-- 
see shy jo



Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
If this list is for both new and experienced users, the "RTFM" is far from 
appropiate.  MTY, I wish I knew how to help.

Best regards,
Lloyd




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From: "Faust Andrei Tanasescu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: Port 766


> RTFM && as root netstat -l -t --program
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Re: potato 2 woody upgrade problem

2001-11-02 Thread Bob Underwood
On Friday 02 November 2001 20:26, Eric Richardson wrote:
> Hi,
> Added woody to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get -u dist-upgrade and
> then waited a long time even on a DSL line to download and then the
> following happened.
>
> Get:489 http://http.us.debian.org woody/main xsitecopy 1:0.9.10-1
> [151kB]
> Fetched 229MB in 1h3m28s (60.1kB/s)
>
> 86% [Scanning packages]Template parse error near "" at
> /usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DebConf/Template.pm line 102,  chunk 2.
> E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt returned an error code
> (29) E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt
>
> Looks like after everything downloaded. Now I don't really have much of
> a clue what to do. This is my first try with testing but have been
> running potato for over a year with no problems.
>
> Thanks for any help,
> Eric :-)

I've had similar and have been able to resume everything by installing 
debconf (and it's depends) prior to the dist-upgrade.

apt-get install debconf apt-utils has corrected it for me in the past.

hth 

bob



Re: Recording CD's (data)

2001-11-02 Thread Stan Brown
On Fri Nov  2 16:01:43 2001 Justin R. Miller wrote...
>
>
>--5p8PegU4iirBW1oA
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Disposition: inline
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
>Thus spake Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
>> I went there and read through it, and after recompiling my kernek
>> about a dozen times, I have to admit I'm stuck. Acording to the HOWTO,
>> I should be able to run "cdercord -scanbus" and see my CD recorder. I'
>> can't for the life of me make that work.=20
>
>Try setting the setuid bit on the cdrecord binary if it doesn't have it
>already:
>
>   chmod 4755 /path/to/cdrecord
>
>Please understand the risks involved with setuid programs. =20
>
>I also had to add my user account to the 'cdrom' group, and I'm not sure
>why, but I had to 'chown .cdrom /dev/sg0' in order to detect the device. =
>=20
>
>I think that's all there was...
>

THanks, I set the bit, and I'm testing as root, so I don't think that is
the problem. I think it might be that I actually hace SCSI hardware
present.

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-- 
Windows 98: n.
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a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system
originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit 
company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.
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IDE CD recorder, in machine with SCSI tape?

2001-11-02 Thread Stan Brown
K, at this point i've tried this on 2 different machines. Here's the
scenarion

HP cd16ri CD recorder installed in machines with Aadaptec SCSI host card,
each has exactly on device on the SCSI bus. Both are Debian potato +
Progeny + 2.4x kernels ( one 2.4.3, and 1 2.4.9). On the machine at home I
have the folowing modules loaded:


Module  Size  Used by
sg 22832   0  (autoclean)
mousedev4496   0  (unused)
input   3904   0  [mousedev]
ide-scsi8112   0 
aic7xxx   117072   0 
scsi_mod   86368   3  [sg ide-scsi aic7xxx]
ne  6880   1 

NOw, acording to the CD Recording HOWTO, I should be able to run "cdrecord
-scanbus" and see what my avaialble devise are. Unfortunately, on both
machines it just reports 7 slots, one of which has the SCSI tape in it.

How can I make this scenarion work?

BTW on the machine at home the tape device is really a tape changer, and I
can control it using mtx, so I know the SCSI generic stuff is working
corectly.

Thanks for any sugestions.

-- 
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Charleston SC.
-- 
Windows 98: n.
useless extension to a minor patch release for 32-bit extensions and
a graphical shell for a 16-bit patch to an 8-bit operating system
originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit 
company that can't stand for 1 bit of competition.
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Re: emacs20 requires xlibs and xfree86-common?

2001-11-02 Thread DvB
Kurt Lieber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I've always been a vim user, so I've never installed emacs on my machines.  
> However, I have a need for it now and when I went to install it, discovered 
> that it has all kinds of x-related dependencies (xfree86-common, xlibs, 
> libxaw7)
> 
> Does anyone know what the correlation is between text-based emacs and x? 
> (this is the emacs20 package from woody -- NOT xemacs21)   Is this something 
> I can safely override (probably not) or work around and still use the debian 
> package system?
> 
> Suggestions welcome.
> 


I'd suggest compiling from source if you don't want to waste the extra
space from the xlibs. Compiling from source (got it from ftp.gnu.org)
took less than 5 minutes on the dev server at work (a solaris box that's
full of vi users :-) since there's not a whole lot of code in emacs that
needs compiling. Shouldn't take too much longer on a Linux desktop.

Otherwise, just install the xlibs and forget about them :-)

HTH



Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread Thomas Hallaran
Try 'netstat -vep --tcp'

This might tell you a bit more about the proc listening on that port.

766 isn't reserved for any service that I know of or can find in my
/etc/services on either of the machines I checked.

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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Yobb wrote:

> Can anybody tell me what this port is for?  When I nmap myself
> (localhost) I keep seeing that this port is open.  I don't know what
> software is using this port?  Any help would be appreciated.  
> 
> MTY
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potato 2 woody upgrade problem

2001-11-02 Thread Eric Richardson

Hi,
Added woody to sources.list, apt-get update, apt-get -u dist-upgrade and 
then waited a long time even on a DSL line to download and then the 
following happened.


Get:489 http://http.us.debian.org woody/main xsitecopy 1:0.9.10-1 
[151kB]
Fetched 229MB in 1h3m28s (60.1kB/s) 

86% [Scanning packages]Template parse error near "" at 
/usr/lib/perl5/Debian/DebConf/Template.pm line 102,  chunk 2.

E: Sub-process /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt returned an error code (29)
E: Failure running script /usr/sbin/dpkg-preconfigure --apt

Looks like after everything downloaded. Now I don't really have much of 
a clue what to do. This is my first try with testing but have been 
running potato for over a year with no problems.


Thanks for any help,
Eric :-)



Re: Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread Faust Andrei Tanasescu
RTFM && as root netstat -l -t --program

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Special 3D bar graphs

2001-11-02 Thread Simon Law
Hi there,

I'm looking for an application that will give me transparent 3-D
bar graphs.  I want to have a bar graph will three levels of depth, but
because some bars in front are too tall, they obscure the data behind
them.  I took a look at gnuplot, but it doesn't do what I need it to do.

Simon



Port 766

2001-11-02 Thread Yobb
Can anybody tell me what this port is for?  When I nmap myself
(localhost) I keep seeing that this port is open.  I don't know what
software is using this port?  Any help would be appreciated.  

MTY



Re: emacs20 requires xlibs and xfree86-common?

2001-11-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> 
> Does anyone know what the correlation is between text-based emacs and x? 
> (this is the emacs20 package from woody -- NOT xemacs21)   Is this something 
> I can safely override (probably not) or work around and still use the debian 
> package system?
> 

emacs is big enough already that people did not feel a text only version was
necessary.  Also note that this will only install the core LIBS needed to run X
apps not X.

It is not clear in your email so be aware that emacs != xemacs.  They are two
different code trees by two different groups.



Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Carpenter, Dean wrote:

> Hey All -
> 
> I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
> install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture
> each and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like
> and what choices should be picked.
> 
> Any ideas on how best to do this ?  I was thinking about using a system
> that will redirect output to the serial port, but I don't know that will
> work with the dialog system that the boot-floppies uses.

You should be able to do something like this.  Swtch to virtual console 2.  
Press return to get a shell.  Mount a spare partition somewhere.  Then, for 
each screen you want to capture:

  cat /dev/vcs1 > //snapshot

Of course, that only gets you the plain text.  If you want attributes too, 
you could try playing with /dev/vcsa1 and try to figure out a way to decode 
the data later.

You'll want to run the snapshot files through fold to split them into 
lines, because /dev/vcs* doesn't emit newlines between screen lines.  Oh, 
and you might need to create /dev/vcs1 if it doesn't exist in the install 
system.

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Re: GNUCash 1.6.4

2001-11-02 Thread Jeffrey W. Baker


On Sat, 3 Nov 2001, Stephen Brown wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I am trying to run GNUCash 1.6.4 and I get the following message
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gnucash
> ERROR: no such module (g-wrapped gw-runtime)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
>
> I get the same error when running GNUCash 1.6.1.
>
> I did have 1.6.1 running, but I installed the 1.7.0 source files from cvs,
> installed the build dependecies and have not been able to run gnucash ever
> since.

You need to poke around in /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib, and
/usr/local/share to delete anything that might be leftover from your old
1.7.0 install.  If that's the only non-debian package you've installed,
you might just want to blow away /usr/local entirely, after carefully
pondering its contents.

-jwb



Re: 'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Alan Shutko
Wayne Topa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Currently running screen, root & user, with no such errors.
> #dpkg -l screen libc6
>  screen  3.9.10-0.1
>  libc6   2.2.4-3
>^  you have -4

ii  libc6  2.2.4-5GNU C Library: Shared libraries and Timezone

Works fine.

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Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Wayne Topa
Carpenter, Dean([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Hey All -
> 
> I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
> install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture each
> and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like and
> what choices should be picked.
> 
> Any ideas on how best to do this ?  I was thinking about using a system that
> will redirect output to the serial port, but I don't know that will work
> with the dialog system that the boot-floppies uses.

script?

NAME
 script - make typescript of terminal session

SYNOPSIS
 script [-a] [-f] [-q] [-t] [file]

DESCRIPTION
 Script makes a typescript of everything printed on your terminal.  It is
 useful for students who need a hardcopy record of an interactive session
 as proof of an assignment, as the typescript file can be printed out
 later with lpr(1).

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Re: 'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Wayne Topa
Karsten M. Self(kmself@ix.netcom.com) is reported to have said:
> on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:50:04PM -0800, Karsten M. Self 
> (kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> > See subject.
> > 
> > When I invoke screen as an unpriviledged (ordinary) user, I get the
> > following error:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ screen
> > Must be connected to a terminal.
> > 
> > I *can* invoke screen as a root user.  I note that the binary is
> > installed SGID utmp:
> > 
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ ll $( which screen )
> > -rwxr-sr-x   1 root   utmp 235164 Sep 12 21:18 /usr/bin/screen
> > 
> > Anyone else seeing this, or have a fix?
> 
> I'm told (off-list) that screen and libc6 updates fix this problem,
> however both appear to be at latest versions.  I'm also asked if I'm
> 'su'ing to the user in question.  The answer is no, I'm trying to run
> screen in an rxvt.
> 
> I'd strongly encourage *on* list responses to list issues, in part so I
> don't have to talk to myself any more than absolutely necessary for
> essential communication.
> 

Karsten

  Currently running screen, root & user, with no such errors.
#dpkg -l screen libc6
 screen  3.9.10-0.1
 libc6   2.2.4-3
   ^  you have -4
Guess I'll skip the dist-upgrade for today.

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RE:emacs20 requires xlibs and xfree86-common?

2001-11-02 Thread Andrew Agno
Kurt Lieber writes:
 > Does anyone know what the correlation is between text-based emacs
 > and x?  (this is the emacs20 package from woody -- NOT xemacs21) Is
 > this something I can safely override (probably not) or work around
 > and still use the debian package system?

You can grab the emacs source, and compile it yourself.  If you don't
have the various libs, configure should notice and not use fancy
scrollbars, for instance.  Just install it in /usr/local (or use stow
and install it in /usr/local/stow/emacs-20.x and stow it).

You could also try to see if you can grab the debian source package
and use that to build a .deb to install.  It might do something
similar to the above.

Andrew.



Re: packages - packages list

2001-11-02 Thread Shaul Karl
> > I have installed the base system via floppies ( only option ) and need to 
> > install additional "packages" to make "x" work.  When I use "dselect" It is 
> > looking for a disk with a "package list".  Where do I find it?
> > 
> > I have tried "apt-get" and cannot get it to work on the floppy.
> > 
> > I have tried "dpkg-i" and cannot get it to work on a floppy.
> > 


Could you post the exact error messages (copy and paste?)?
Although it might be obvious, the way you wrote here dpkg -i makes me 
wonder whether in your command line you typed dpkg-i or dpkg -i? Note 
there is a white space character in the second dpkg -i.

You might also consider copying the files from the floppy to the disk 
in order to get things to run a bit more quickly.


> > I have run out of ideas.  Please help.
> > 
> > Thank you
> > Gerald Spence
> 
> I think that it looks for file Packages.gz. it should be at one diskette,
> you've used while installing (it should be the first)
> hope this helps
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GNUCash 1.6.4

2001-11-02 Thread Stephen Brown
Hi All,

I am trying to run GNUCash 1.6.4 and I get the following message

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ gnucash
ERROR: no such module (g-wrapped gw-runtime)
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

I get the same error when running GNUCash 1.6.1.

I did have 1.6.1 running, but I installed the 1.7.0 source files from cvs,
installed the build dependecies and have not been able to run gnucash ever
since.

Thanks for your help.

Cheers, Stephen Grant Brown

PS Craig, I installed the files you suggested.



Re: emacs20 requires xlibs and xfree86-common?

2001-11-02 Thread Craig Dickson
Kurt Lieber wrote:

> I've always been a vim user, so I've never installed emacs on my machines.  
> However, I have a need for it now and when I went to install it, discovered 
> that it has all kinds of x-related dependencies (xfree86-common, xlibs, 
> libxaw7)
> 
> Does anyone know what the correlation is between text-based emacs and x?

AFAIK there is no text-only Debian package of Emacs. I'm sure one could
be built, but there probably hasn't been much demand for it, as the
X-enabled version can still run in a console if you want it to.

> (this is the emacs20 package from woody -- NOT xemacs21)   Is this something 
> I can safely override (probably not) or work around and still use the debian 
> package system?

On my X-less machines, I just let apt install all the libraries it wanted.
I don't know whether Emacs-in-a-console would work without them.

Craig



Re: Sangoma S514 Frame Relay card

2001-11-02 Thread Shaul Karl
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Has anyone on the list successfully used a Sangoma S514 Frame Relay card
> with Debian, potato to be more specific?
> 


I have no experience with this kind of hardware. Sorry.
Still, doesn't the kernel have some modules for Sangoma FR cards? 
Doesn't Sangoma support Linux? Perhaps you might post some more details 
about the problems you are facing?


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> 
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> 
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emacs20 requires xlibs and xfree86-common?

2001-11-02 Thread Kurt Lieber
I've always been a vim user, so I've never installed emacs on my machines.  
However, I have a need for it now and when I went to install it, discovered 
that it has all kinds of x-related dependencies (xfree86-common, xlibs, 
libxaw7)

Does anyone know what the correlation is between text-based emacs and x? 
(this is the emacs20 package from woody -- NOT xemacs21)   Is this something 
I can safely override (probably not) or work around and still use the debian 
package system?

Suggestions welcome.

--kurt



Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 03:14:12PM -0800, Tim Moss ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Apparently, on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:03:12PM -0500, Robb Kidd wrote:

> Doing a serial install and capturing the contents of the terminal should
> work fine. You may have to experiment with your terminal font to make sure
> the shapes and such display well but it definitely can look fine.

How would you set up a serial install?  I might just want to do this.

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:28:16AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> I am attempting to get into Linux/Debian in a big way.  I have decided 
> that M$ WinXP is the last straw for my personal computing.
> 
> (a) It seems that much of www.debian.org is not responding, so I have
> been using one of the [nation].debian.org sites.  But these do not
> seem to have access to the bugs.

Down at the moment, or was recently.

> (b) I cannot seem to find the FAQ for the various mailing lists, to
> make sure my questions have not been asked 1K times.  Where are they
> located?  The archive and search both seem fairly good.

Tracking from 'Support' through mailing list archives, there's a search
interface.  I generally go through Google myself.

> (c) I am looking for the debian newbie or new user mailing list.  Does one 
> not exist?

This is it.

> (d) I am looking for the install tree as it would be on CD(s), as I
> think something in the install documentation is incorrect and I want
> to verify that it is not just at the release/minor that I have from
> last year.  Any help?

What specifically is the problem?  Docs are frequently outdated.  This
is rarely particularly significant.  The installation itself should walk
you through the process adequately.

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Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Jakob B. Jensen
Try script(1) it records all terminal output to a file.

You will need to "cheat" a little:

First create an extra partition containing script, needed
libraries and space for the script.

Then start the boot floppy.

Kill the install front end

Mount the script partition on /typescript where it won't interfere.

Now start
# script scriptfile
to begin recording all console output.

Then manually start the install front end.

Just before the install reboots, hack the installed
run once script (forgot the name) to run under script too.

A final problem is to get screen shots of the initial screens.
My solution: cheat!  Copy the displayed files from the floppy and
paste them into your document.

Another problem is to convert the script into a series of screen
shots.  Slowly piping the file to an xterm may be a solution.

Hope it works for you (hasn't used script for long myself)

Jakob


On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 05:47:42PM -0500, Carpenter, Dean wrote:
> Hey All -
> 
> I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
> install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture each
> and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like and
> what choices should be picked.
> 
> Any ideas on how best to do this ?  I was thinking about using a system that
> will redirect output to the serial port, but I don't know that will work
> with the dialog system that the boot-floppies uses.
> 
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Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Tim Moss
Apparently, on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 06:03:12PM -0500, Robb Kidd wrote:
> Carpenter, Dean wrote:
> 
> >I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
> >install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture 
> >each
> >and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like and
> >what choices should be picked.
> >
> >Any ideas on how best to do this ?
> 
>   [ponder] Download the VMware 3.0 beta and install Debian in a virtual 
> machine?  In addition to the many X screen grabbers available, VMware 
> provides its own screen-capture function.
> 
> 
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Doing a serial install and capturing the contents of the terminal should
work fine. You may have to experiment with your terminal font to make sure
the shapes and such display well but it definitely can look fine.
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Re: Packages list?

2001-11-02 Thread Shaul Karl
> Thank you for your timely reply.
> 
> I didn't mention this VGA laptop only has a floppy and harddrive.  Cannot be
> connected to any type of network.
> 
> Using "dselect", on "access" it seems to recognize the floppy.  On "update"
> I put in the disk with three packages (.deb) I want to install and I get
> this message: "Insert a disk containing a packages file, or type Q to quit".
> I then press enter because my disk with packages is in the drive and get
> this message repeated three times: "/var/lib/dpkg/methods/mnt/packages  does
> not exist".  At this point I have no choice but to type Q to quit.  The next
> step is Select and my packages do not show up.  At this point I exit
> "deselect".  You mentioned "Packages.gz" I remember reading something about
> that on one of my searches of the Debian web site but was unable to find it
> and do not really know what it is or what it is for.  Nothing is mentioned
> in the install manual concerning this that I can find.
> 
> I am pretty stubborn and do not give up easy but this is getting a little
> frustrating.
> 
> I need Debian for this install because it is the only one to still support
> floppies and that (in this case) is my only option
> 
> Again any help you can provide is deeply appreciated.
> 


Some notes that you will have to further pursue:

(1) Skipping dselect and running
   dpkg -i someDeb.deb
might be the easiest thing.
(2) If you have access to a Debian box you might
   dpkg-scanpackages . /dev/null > Packages
and have all the debs in the pwd be listed in Packages.
(3) You can find Packages and Packages.gz at 
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/dists/testing/main/binary-i386, for 
example.
I do not know which directories are designated to have this file 
and which
do not but those files are found on CDs too. 
(4) I believe it will be easier to copy files from the floppy to the 
disk and
work from there. It will let you work with > 1.44 MB files if/when 
you will
have to.


> Jerry
> - Original Message -
> From: "Shaul Karl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "Signal Electronic Supply" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: 
> Sent: Thursday, November 01, 2001 5:46 PM
> Subject: Re: Packages list?
> 
> 
> > > I have managed to install Debian on an old laptop via a "pile of =
> > > floppies".  Now I need to install other packages via the same way for x.
> =
> > >  When running "dselect" it requests a floppy, with the packages list?  =
> > > How do I get or make this.  I've looked around in ftp with no success.
> > >
> > > Any help would greatly appreciated.
> > >
> > > Jerry
> > >
> >
> >
> > Can you post the exact message/error (copy-paste from the terminal)?
> > Could it be that it requires Packages.gz?
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> >
> >
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Re: Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Robb Kidd

Carpenter, Dean wrote:


I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture each
and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like and
what choices should be picked.

Any ideas on how best to do this ?


	[ponder] Download the VMware 3.0 beta and install Debian in a virtual 
machine?  In addition to the many X screen grabbers available, VMware 
provides its own screen-capture function.




Sparc Image install now?

2001-11-02 Thread Robert L. Harris


We're gonna try the Debian version for sparc.  There's a single root.bin
but I don't have a floppy drive to install with, is there an "iso" for
a CDROM that can do a network boot for Woody?

I'm gonna try the ISO maker but would prefer just to download an
ISO that'll boot off the net and go.


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Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Thomas Hallaran
Just curious what specifically in the debian sparc distro would POSSIBLY
make it unusable on anything better than a classic while suse runs great
on 64 bit machines. Rc scripts not optimized for 64 bit? the kernel is the
kernel is the kernel.

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On Fri, 2 Nov 2001, Ben Collins wrote:

> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:37:35PM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >   A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc.  It's supposed to be 
> > rather nice.
> >   
> >   We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
> > started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
> > than a Clasic very well.
> > 
> >   Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively
> > new and powerful?
> 
> I don't know where you heard that, because Debian's main archive server
> is an UltraSPARC 60 with 2 450Mhz CPU's and 1.5gigs of RAM. It handles
> several hundred megs of new packages a day, including maintaining the
> postgresql database of the archive layout and pushing the archive out to
> several mirrors (again, on a daily basis).
> 
> I'd say that's a notch or two better than a classic.
> 
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burning CD Images?

2001-11-02 Thread Arden Spiller
Using Windows 95 with a HP 9350i CD burner.  I've been trying to burn a 
Debian CD and I'm having trouble, to understate the matter.


I downloaded
ftp://debian.uchicago.edu/debian-cd/stable/official/2.2_rev3/i386/binary-i386-1.iso
then downloaded md5sum.exe (from elsewhere) and checked the MD5 sum.  It 
matches.


I looked up several sets of instructions on how to burn a IS09660 image 
using Nero.  I burned it as Data Mode 1, NOT raw data, 2048 bytes block 
size, 0 image header and trailer, NOT scrambled, NOT swapped.  I've tried 
Finalized, not Finalized, Disc-At-Once, not DAO, etc.  I don't seem to have 
any luck.


Each time I burn the CD I get the same thing.  When I check the MD5 sum using:
md5sum --check md5sum.txt
It finds that numerous files fail.  The majority of the files do pass, 
though.  Upon closer investigation, many (or possibly all?) of the files 
that fail have sizes of 0 bytes, and there appears to be missing files, 
although I haven't checked too closely.


On the chance that Nero was to blame, I downloaded Golden Hawk Technology's 
CDRWIN and tried that with the same exact results.


I've never had any unexplainable trouble with Nero or my CD-burner, 
although I've never tried burning an ISO9660 image before, either...  I'm 
starting to wonder if perhaps the CD is actually fine, and if those files 
would be readable under Linux...but I'd rather not risk destroying my 
computer if some of the files ARE corrupt.
I have a CD-RW at my disposal, which I've been using for these tests since 
I made my first CD-R Debian coaster.  I'll gladly burn day and night until 
I get this problem solved.


Any advice?  Just ask and I'll give you any other relevant data you'd 
like.  Thanks for your time.


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Capturing install screenshots

2001-11-02 Thread Carpenter, Dean
Hey All -

I need to produce a screen-by-screen document detailing the woody/testing
install process for internal use here.  So I need to be able to capture each
and every screen put up during the install to show what it looks like and
what choices should be picked.

Any ideas on how best to do this ?  I was thinking about using a system that
will redirect output to the serial port, but I don't know that will work
with the dialog system that the boot-floppies uses.

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Re: www.debian.org not responding

2001-11-02 Thread Jakob B. Jensen
Tip of the day:

The Official Debian mirrors are called

www.country.debian.org

e.g.
www.us.debian.org
www.dk.debian.org
www.jp.debian.org
www.de.debian.org
etc.

Easy to remember.  Would be easier if all country codes were
valid (as aliases of some country with a real mirror).

P.S. Has anyone considered making the www.debian.org name be DNS
round robin-ed amongst several of the mirrors (the mirrors would
then mirror e.g. www.master.debian.org).  This could distribute
load and increase uptime (if people hit reload on error).

Happy computing

Jakob

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:55:21PM -0800, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> I've seen a few comments on list but not topic matching.
> 
> I cannot ping or get HTTP access to www.debian.org.  Anyone know what's
> up, or have a mirror list handy?
> 
> Peace.
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Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Ben Collins
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:37:35PM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> 
>   A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc.  It's supposed to be 
> rather nice.
>   
>   We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
> started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
> than a Clasic very well.
> 
>   Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively
> new and powerful?

I don't know where you heard that, because Debian's main archive server
is an UltraSPARC 60 with 2 450Mhz CPU's and 1.5gigs of RAM. It handles
several hundred megs of new packages a day, including maintaining the
postgresql database of the archive layout and pushing the archive out to
several mirrors (again, on a daily basis).

I'd say that's a notch or two better than a classic.

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Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread dman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:49:11PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| Yall, 
| 
| - Original Message - 
| From: "dman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: 
| Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:24 PM
| Subject: Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions
| 
| 
| > On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:13:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| > | I guess my question degenerates to, 
| > | "Is there an 'out of box' way to install debian potato where you isolate 
| > | /, /boot, /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev 
| > | on a partition without partitioning up every thing else?  
| > 
| > Yes, but you have to use symlinks as someone else suggested.
| 
| I am new to this.  I have a 1.2 GB on a blank HD.  I would like to make 
| this happen through the install program.  You or anyone able to provide 
| steps?  How do I make the installer let me set up the symlinks, etc.  
| I am guessing the 'cp' is not appropriate.

You could do this during installation, but it will take a couple of
acrobatics.

1)  make 3 partitions, one for swap, one for / and one for /storage
2)  initialize (format) them

(check what the next steps are, I don't remember if they do anything
to the partitions or not)

3)  switch to vc2 (Alt-Ctrl-F2)
4)  mount /storage, if it isn't already
5)  
mkdir /storage/usr /storage/home /storage/var

6)  mount your to-be-/ partiton (the installer has it's own / so
something like :

mkdir mydisk
mount -t ext2 /dev/hd /mydisk

7)  cd /mydisk && ln -s /storage/*
8)  go back to the installer (Alt-Ctrl-F1)
9)  finish installation

| > | Possibly putting /tmp in its own partition as well, but then you might as 
| > 
| > Sure, but if you use kernel 2.4 and have memory available you could
| > use a ramdisk for /tmp.  Then you wouldn't need any disk partition at
| > all.
| 
| I have no idea what a ramdisk.  

It is a "disk" that isn't a disk but just a piece of memory.  When you
run the installer it loads a ramdisk so that linux can run before you
have set up your hard disk.

| I guess you are suggesting that /tmp can be keep all in memory
| (swap).

Yes, all in memory.  I don't know about swap; it's up to the kernel's
VM system anyways (virtual memory).

| I do not follow the 2.4 ref either, is woody -- 
| assuming 2.4 Linux kernel is the one for the Linux dist 
| -- ready for showtime?  
| 
| *Lloyd climbs into flame retardent suit*  From 
| the Linux Kernel 
| interviews I have been reading the ship is not sailing so straight lately.  
| Do not get me wrong, it sounds like it is a result of a lot of awesome 
development,  
| suggesting a development kernel ;-)
| I want a stable kernel that I can build a secure system around.
| *Lloyd climbs climbs out of fire suit into leasure suit*

I use 2.4.  I've got my desktop machine.  It had 2.4.8 on it, now it
has 2.4.10.  I've got a laptop at work that had 2.4.8 but I just put
2.4.13 on it a couple hours ago.  I haven't had any problems that
weren't PEBKAC (Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair).

| > | well isolation /proc for the same reasons too, no?
| > 
| > No, /proc doesn't exist.  It is a figment of your imagination :-).
| > More precisely, /proc is a virtual filesystem.  When you try and
| > access it the kernel generates the data, on-demand.
| 
| Ah, /proc, that makes sense.  Isolating /var makes sense though ;-)

:-).

-D



Re: Woody and X4.01 colors are grainy

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 08:23:56AM -0600, Hanasaki JiJI ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Bingo!  Actualy a depth of 8.  I have read alot of docs and tried alot 
> of changes to the config file and cannot get the darn thing to run at 
> anything other than 8bits or any resolution other than the max on modes 
> line of the screen for 8 bits.  It is a 3dfx3500 TV that ran great under 
> Potato.  Any pointers on revising my config file?  Connections to a bug 
> in X4? ...

Sorry, you'll have to try modelines yourself.  Might google the
monitor/card combo and see what you come up with.

Peace.

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Re: Exit behaviour of less

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 07:10:08PM -0600, Dave Sherohman ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Previously, when exiting less, the displayed document remained on the
> screen.  Since an apt-get upgrade (in testing), however, less now
> restores the prior display to its window when it exits.
> 
> How do I change it back globally?  `export LESS="-X"` fixes it
> per-user, but I want the old default back.

/etc/profile.

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Craig Dickson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I would suggest adding to the "Code of conduct" 
> "Never send your messages in HTML; post on Debian topics in 
> plain text wrapped within 80 columns. Avoid attachments."

Those are all good guidelines. Actually, wrapping at about 72 columns
is better, since it leaves room for a few layers of quoting.

> .  When I first did send a message to debian-user about 6 months ago, 
> I never had any response.  Months later, I discovered it was likely b/c I did 
> not wrap @ 80.

I don't think people would refuse to read or answer you just because
you didn't wrap your paragraphs.

Craig



Re: matlab6 & java

2001-11-02 Thread danielt
We had some trouble getting Matlab to go until we installed the en_US locale,
or something like that. We're running Debian unstable, and used... um...
dpkg-reconfigure locales or something like that, and clicked the box for
the en_US one. As I recall.

: ). I'm still a little bit newbie-ish. Does it show?

Anyway, HTH.

  --Daniel T.
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:52:34PM +0100, Mirek Dobsicek wrote:
> Hi,
>  I'm in trouble .. I'm trying to run Matlab6, but it doesnt want to start in
> GUI mode
> and in /root appears file log.java..
> It starts only in command mode, if i use -nojvm option.
> 
> Please help .. what java deb packages are needed to matlab6 run correctly?
> 
> Mirek Dobsicek
> 
> 
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Re: Foul language on debian lists (was Re: Spam impersonating me (was Re: Spam: the last straw))

2001-11-02 Thread Jens Müller
Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I think Karsten is wrong here. There is a "Code of Conduct" section
> on http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ that prohibits the use of
> foul language.  Let me quote
> 
> "Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists
> via packet radio, where swearing is illegal."
> 
> I remebered that since it was a striking example of how authors of
> webb pages should not make assumptions about the means by which the
> reader is accessing that material (i.e. Don't rely on images for
> navigation, don't use tables to solve layout problems)

But here it is not about format, but about content. And please tell me
in which country swearing on packet radio is illegal. US? Might
be. Other countries? Probably not.

And this limitation is not one imposed by the medium, but by some
stupid[1] law.

OT: Do you have any links to judicial decisions as to the
constitutionality of that "no swearing on packet radio" law?


[1] Is that a swear word?



Re: 'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:50:04PM -0800, Karsten M. Self 
(kmself@ix.netcom.com) wrote:
> See subject.
> 
> When I invoke screen as an unpriviledged (ordinary) user, I get the
> following error:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ screen
> Must be connected to a terminal.
> 
> I *can* invoke screen as a root user.  I note that the binary is
> installed SGID utmp:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ ll $( which screen )
> -rwxr-sr-x   1 root   utmp 235164 Sep 12 21:18 /usr/bin/screen
> 
> Anyone else seeing this, or have a fix?

I'm told (off-list) that screen and libc6 updates fix this problem,
however both appear to be at latest versions.  I'm also asked if I'm
'su'ing to the user in question.  The answer is no, I'm trying to run
screen in an rxvt.

I'd strongly encourage *on* list responses to list issues, in part so I
don't have to talk to myself any more than absolutely necessary for
essential communication.


Package: screen
Status: install ok installed
Priority: optional
Section: misc
Installed-Size: 544
Maintainer: Juan Cespedes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Version: 3.9.10-0.1
Depends: libc6 (>= 2.2.3-7), libncurses5 (>= 5.2.20010310-1),
libpam0g (>= 0.72-1), base-passwd (>= 2.0.3.4)
Conflicts: suidmanager (<< 0.52)
Conffiles:
 /etc/screenrc 60fd7ae24ba9941f2f429d5f9c3523d6
 /etc/pam.d/screen 9da98a8a965bc25d212d5de700bd3dc3

Package: libc6
Status: install ok installed
Priority: required
Section: base
Installed-Size: 12636
Maintainer: Ben Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Source: glibc
Version: 2.2.4-4
Replaces: ldso (<= 1.9.11-9), timezone, timezones, gconv-modules,
libtricks, libc6-bin, netkit-rpc, netbase (<< 4.0)
Provides: glibc-2.2.4-4
Suggests: locales, glibc-doc
Conflicts: strace (<< 4.0-0), libnss-db (<< 2.2-3), timezone,
timezones, gconv-modules, libtricks, libc6-doc, libc5 (<<
5.4.33-7), libpthread0 (<< 0.7-10), libc6-bin, libwcsmbs, apt
(<< 0.3.0), libglib1.2 (<< 1.2.1-2), libc6-i586, libc6-i686,
libc6-v9, netkit-rpc
Conffiles:
 /etc/default/devpts fc857c5ac5fb84d80720ed4d1c624f6e

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Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 02:06:05PM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> 
> What if something like apache had a VERY old version for sparc linux where
> suse had an up to date, patched package?  I think that was the main
> issue.

Well, it is definitely true that some SPARC support has improved since
potato was released.  Kernel 2.4, in particular, provides better support
for 64 bit sparcs than did 2.2.  Unofficial packages are available for
the SPARC hardware to allow you to upgrade potato to kernel 2.4.  You
could also run woody or sid, which I do on one of my SPARCs.

In general, support for SPARC hardware is available, and anything that
works in i386 land should work in SPARC land.

noah

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matlab6 & java

2001-11-02 Thread Mirek Dobsicek
Hi,
 I'm in trouble .. I'm trying to run Matlab6, but it doesnt want to start in
GUI mode
and in /root appears file log.java..
It starts only in command mode, if i use -nojvm option.

Please help .. what java deb packages are needed to matlab6 run correctly?

Mirek Dobsicek



Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Yall, 

- Original Message - 
From: "dman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions


> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:13:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> | I guess my question degenerates to, 
> | "Is there an 'out of box' way to install debian potato where you isolate 
> | /, /boot, /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev 
> | on a partition without partitioning up every thing else?  
> 
> Yes, but you have to use symlinks as someone else suggested.

I am new to this.  I have a 1.2 GB on a blank HD.  I would like to make 
this happen through the install program.  You or anyone able to provide 
steps?  How do I make the installer let me set up the symlinks, etc.  
I am guessing the 'cp' is not appropriate.


>  
> | Possibly putting /tmp in its own partition as well, but then you might as 
> 
> Sure, but if you use kernel 2.4 and have memory available you could
> use a ramdisk for /tmp.  Then you wouldn't need any disk partition at
> all.

I have no idea what a ramdisk.  I guess you are suggesting that /tmp 
can be keep all in memory (swap).

I do not follow the 2.4 ref either, is woody -- 
assuming 2.4 Linux kernel is the one for the Linux dist 
-- ready for showtime?  

*Lloyd climbs into flame retardent suit*  From 
the Linux Kernel 
interviews I have been reading the ship is not sailing so straight lately.  
Do not get me wrong, it sounds like it is a result of a lot of awesome 
development,  
suggesting a development kernel ;-)
I want a stable kernel that I can build a secure system around.
*Lloyd climbs climbs out of fire suit into leasure suit*

> | well isolation /proc for the same reasons too, no?
> 
> No, /proc doesn't exist.  It is a figment of your imagination :-).
> More precisely, /proc is a virtual filesystem.  When you try and
> access it the kernel generates the data, on-demand.

Ah, /proc, that makes sense.  Isolating /var makes sense though ;-)

Best regards,
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Re: www.debian.org not responding

2001-11-02 Thread Bud Rogers
On Friday 02 November 2001 14:55 pm, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> I've seen a few comments on list but not topic matching.
> 
> I cannot ping or get HTTP access to www.debian.org.  Anyone know what's
> up, or have a mirror list handy?

I couldn't get to it from work today, but I just now tried it from home and 
got right to it.

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Re: 'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
on Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 04:06:10PM -0500, Justin R. Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) 
wrote:
> Thus spake Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com):
> 
> > Anyone else seeing this, or have a fix?
> 
> I believe this was reported as a libc bug.  Last night's updates for me
> seemed to have fixed it.

Hmm...I upgraded last night, no joy, problem showed up after.  Trying
another update.

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Yall,

I am starting to think that the search functionality does not work, so hot.  

What should I have searched on? This is also a very good reason to 
have a mailing list FAQ and/or a new user mailing list with [debian-new].
We do want to encourage people to use/contribute to debian. ;-)

I would suggest adding to the "Code of conduct" 
"Never send your messages in HTML; post on Debian topics in 
plain text wrapped within 80 columns. Avoid attachments."
.  When I first did send a message to debian-user about 6 months ago, 
I never had any response.  Months later, I discovered it was likely b/c I did 
not wrap @ 80.


Best regards,
Lloyd



- Original Message - 
From: "DvB" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 4:07 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board


> 
> > | Does anyone else see the benefit for server-side subject line 
> > 
> > Once you have your filters set up, and you view the list of messages
> > in a folder, you alredy know what list they came from because they are
> > in that folder.  Also, some people use mailers in an 80x24 terminal so
> > there are only about 40 characters for your subject to fit on the
> > screen.  If it starts out as "[debian-user] " then you have lost 35%
> > of the space in which to explain your problem so that your message is
> > read before it is filed in the bit-bucket.
> > 
> > I agree that it is nice when you don't have filters, but it is not
> > useful when you do have filters set up right.
> > 
> 
> 
> To add to the above, I believe this issue has also been beaten to death
> on debian-user before... heck I think I even started a thread on the
> subject when I first started reading the list and before I started using
> filters :-)
> 
> Check out the list archive to see what I mean.
> 
> 
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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Geoff Beaumont
On Fri, 2001-11-02 at 18:29, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I know, I know, you guys hate it when the new guy tries to change the world 
> :-D

On the contrary - I'd guess a fair proportion of the people on this list
got into Linux because they think just like you ;c)

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Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread dman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:13:24PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| I guess my question degenerates to, 
| "Is there an 'out of box' way to install debian potato where you isolate 
| /, /boot, /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev 
| on a partition without partitioning up every thing else?  

Yes, but you have to use symlinks as someone else suggested.
 
| Possibly putting /tmp in its own partition as well, but then you might as 

Sure, but if you use kernel 2.4 and have memory available you could
use a ramdisk for /tmp.  Then you wouldn't need any disk partition at
all.

| well isolation /proc for the same reasons too, no?

No, /proc doesn't exist.  It is a figment of your imagination :-).
More precisely, /proc is a virtual filesystem.  When you try and
access it the kernel generates the data, on-demand.

-D




Stops at Lilo prompt

2001-11-02 Thread allen wayne best just ramblin in his amx
hello:

i have just installed debian onto a "fresh" computer (no system on computer 
before installaition) using the "leaning debian linux" cd. after much 
handwringing and filling in the blanks, the installation completed 
successful. we rebooted and the lilo prompt came up -- and nothing happens!

rats!

insert boot floppy made during installation. boot. all is well.

check lilo.conf. looks good. run lilo. reboot. same thing.

reboot from floppy and re-install kernel image from cd. run lilo. reboot. 
same thing.

reboot from floppy. scratch head! now what???

the disk setup is

/dev/sda1   /   2000M
/dev/sda5   /tmp100M
/dev/sda6   /usr3500M
/dev/sda7   /var1000M
/dev/sda8   /home   500M
/dev/sda9   /usr/src1000M
/dev/sda10  swap512M
/dev/sda11  /opt1058M

the next move is to update the kernel, etc, using dselect.

any ideas why the drive is *not* booting on its own
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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread DvB

> | Does anyone else see the benefit for server-side subject line 
> 
> Once you have your filters set up, and you view the list of messages
> in a folder, you alredy know what list they came from because they are
> in that folder.  Also, some people use mailers in an 80x24 terminal so
> there are only about 40 characters for your subject to fit on the
> screen.  If it starts out as "[debian-user] " then you have lost 35%
> of the space in which to explain your problem so that your message is
> read before it is filed in the bit-bucket.
> 
> I agree that it is nice when you don't have filters, but it is not
> useful when you do have filters set up right.
> 


To add to the above, I believe this issue has also been beaten to death
on debian-user before... heck I think I even started a thread on the
subject when I first started reading the list and before I started using
filters :-)

Check out the list archive to see what I mean.



Re: ipmasq question

2001-11-02 Thread Jens Müller
Mike Egglestone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> In chapter two, they talk about how you can make your ipchains
> permanent.
> Basically, you have to write your own little script,( just copy the one that 
> they use for an example) and use
> ipchains-restore and save to set this up.

You can also use the ipmasq package and put scripts in
/etc/ipmasq/rules.

man ipmasq
man ipmasq-rules



Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
I guess my question degenerates to, 
"Is there an 'out of box' way to install debian potato where you isolate 
/, /boot, /etc, /bin, /sbin, /lib, /dev 
on a partition without partitioning up every thing else?  

Possibly putting /tmp in its own partition as well, but then you might as 
well isolation /proc for the same reasons too, no?

Best regards,
Lloyd


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Ferlatte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:56 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions


> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:50:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Thanks for the info Mark...So unless I have the space initially for
> > two big partions or I divide the drive up for all of the partitions
> > initially, I am out of luck?
> 
> I don't fully understand your question.  You can install the whole
> system onto one partition, no problem, and that's fine for desktop
> systems/small personal servers.  Disk partitioning only really starts to
> matter when you get into machines with lots of users/that are important.
> 
> So, if you want to just dump everything into one partition big enough to
> hold your install + data, that is fine.  If you want to practice being a
> sysadmin, and want to partition your disk into a bunch of tiny pieces,
> that's okay too.
> 
> What results are you trying to achieve?
> 
> M
> 
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Re: 'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Justin R. Miller
Thus spake Karsten M. Self (kmself@ix.netcom.com):

> Anyone else seeing this, or have a fix?

I believe this was reported as a libc bug.  Last night's updates for me
seemed to have fixed it.

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Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Robert L. Harris
Thus spake Noah Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> >   We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
> > started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
> > than a Clasic very well.
> 
> I can't help but wonder where they heard that.  Suse and Debian are both
> Linux (yes, I know, we're hurd, too, don't nitpick!) so I don't see how
> Linux would work better if Suse's distribution was running on top of it
> than if Debian's distribution is running on top of it.

What if something like apache had a VERY old version for sparc linux where
suse had an up to date, patched package?  I think that was the main
issue.




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Re: Recording CD's (data)

2001-11-02 Thread Justin R. Miller
Thus spake Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> I went there and read through it, and after recompiling my kernek
> about a dozen times, I have to admit I'm stuck. Acording to the HOWTO,
> I should be able to run "cdercord -scanbus" and see my CD recorder. I'
> can't for the life of me make that work. 

Try setting the setuid bit on the cdrecord binary if it doesn't have it
already:

chmod 4755 /path/to/cdrecord

Please understand the risks involved with setuid programs.  

I also had to add my user account to the 'cdrom' group, and I'm not sure
why, but I had to 'chown .cdrom /dev/sg0' in order to detect the device.  

I think that's all there was...

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Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread Mark Ferlatte
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 12:50:41PM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Thanks for the info Mark...So unless I have the space initially for
> two big partions or I divide the drive up for all of the partitions
> initially, I am out of luck?

I don't fully understand your question.  You can install the whole
system onto one partition, no problem, and that's fine for desktop
systems/small personal servers.  Disk partitioning only really starts to
matter when you get into machines with lots of users/that are important.

So, if you want to just dump everything into one partition big enough to
hold your install + data, that is fine.  If you want to practice being a
sysadmin, and want to partition your disk into a bunch of tiny pieces,
that's okay too.

What results are you trying to achieve?

M



Re: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Noah Meyerhans
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 01:37:35PM -0700, Robert L. Harris wrote:
>   A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc.  It's supposed to be 
> rather nice.

It is.

>   We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
> started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
> than a Clasic very well.

I can't help but wonder where they heard that.  Suse and Debian are both
Linux (yes, I know, we're hurd, too, don't nitpick!) so I don't see how
Linux would work better if Suse's distribution was running on top of it
than if Debian's distribution is running on top of it.

>   Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively
> new and powerful?

I have it on a SPARCStation 20 and a couple Ultra 1s, but I don't think
that's quite as modern/powerful as what you have in mind.  Check with
the debian-sparc@lists.debian.org mailing list.

Also note that one of the debian project's primary developer machines
(auric.debian.org) is a dual processor UltraSPARC.  I'm not sure what
model it is, but /proc/cpuinfo indicates that it has these in it:

cpu : TI UltraSparc II  (BlackBird)
fpu : UltraSparc II integrated FPU
promlib : Version 3 Revision 17
prom: 3.17.0
type: sun4u
ncpus probed: 2
ncpus active: 2
Cpu0Bogo: 897.84
Cpu2Bogo: 897.84
MMU Type: Spitfire
State:
CPU0:   online
CPU2:   online


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www.debian.org not responding

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
I've seen a few comments on list but not topic matching.

I cannot ping or get HTTP access to www.debian.org.  Anyone know what's
up, or have a mirror list handy?

Peace.

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread dman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 10:29:54AM -0800, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| - Original Message - 
| From: "Craig Dickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| To: 
| Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:56 PM
| Subject: Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board
 
| > > (e) Anyway to automatically have the subject line identify the mailing 
| > > list.  A few of my other mailing lists have that, example
| > > Subject: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > > Subject: Re: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > > Subject: Re:[debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > > ** ick, I dislike when mail clients don't include the space after Re: 
| > 
| > If you're planning to use a Linux-based email client, you'll be able to
| > filter your mail into folders based on any header, not just Subject.
| > For Debian mailing lists, the X-Mailing-List header gives you both the
| > name of the list and also the archive index of the message. Your message,
| > for example, had this header when I received it:
| > 
| > > X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/178258
| > 
| > I use a popular mail filtering program called procmail. There are others
| > as well.
| > 
| > I suppose procmail could modify the headers of your incoming mail, if
| > you really want to identify the list in the Subject header. I've never
| > used it that way, though.
| 
| Awesome info Craig, probably more sophisticated
| user solution than
| I currently can do... so I may be coming back to yall for help on that ;-) 

It isn't difficult if someone else gives you the filters to start with
:-).

| Does anyone else see the benefit for server-side subject line 

Once you have your filters set up, and you view the list of messages
in a folder, you alredy know what list they came from because they are
in that folder.  Also, some people use mailers in an 80x24 terminal so
there are only about 40 characters for your subject to fit on the
screen.  If it starts out as "[debian-user] " then you have lost 35%
of the space in which to explain your problem so that your message is
read before it is filed in the bit-bucket.

I agree that it is nice when you don't have filters, but it is not
useful when you do have filters set up right.

-D



Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
oops, sorry 'bout that.  

Thanks for the info Mark...So unless I have the space initially for two big 
partions or I divide the drive up for all of the partitions initially, I am out 
of luck?

Best regards,
Lloyd

- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Ferlatte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions


> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 02:17:29PM -0600, Rich Puhek wrote:
> > Um... You can't mount /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var on hda5. You can only
> > mount a partition at one place at a time.
> 
> Well, you sort of can:
> 
> telinit 1 (ie, go to single user mode)
> mkdir /storage
> mount /dev/hda5 /storage
> mkdir /storage/home /storage/usr /storage/var /storage/tmp
> cp -a /home /storage/home
> cp -a /var /storage/var
> cp -a /usr /storage/usr
> cp -a /tmp /storage/tmp
> rm -rf /tmp /usr /home /var
> cd /
> ln -s ./storage/var var
> ln -s ./storage/usr usr
> ln -s ./storage/home home
> ln -s ./storage/tmp tmp
> 
> This makes home var usr and tmp share one big partition, that you access
> via symlinks as normal.
> 
> > ...I'm not sure you want to mount /tmp seperately. To be on the safe
> > side... might want to leave that where it is.
> 
> Mounting /tmp as it's own partition is a really good idea; it prevents
> out of control programs and users from using /tmp to fill up your system
> disks.  In kernel 2.4.x, you can even mount tmpfs there, and take
> advantage of tmp files rarely getting written to disk.
> 
> M

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'screen' error: "Must be connected to a terminal"

2001-11-02 Thread Karsten M. Self
See subject.

When I invoke screen as an unpriviledged (ordinary) user, I get the
following error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ screen
Must be connected to a terminal.

I *can* invoke screen as a root user.  I note that the binary is
installed SGID utmp:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:karsten]$ ll $( which screen )
-rwxr-sr-x   1 root   utmp 235164 Sep 12 21:18 /usr/bin/screen

Anyone else seeing this, or have a fix?

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RE: Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Chapman, Matt
Title: RE: Sparc Linux?





For awhile I did successfully have an E450 with 2gig ram and 4 400mhz cpu's running potato then woody... it flew.


Due to software needs it now runs Solaris 8...  :(


-matt


-Original Message-
From: Robert L. Harris [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:38 PM
To: Debian Users
Subject: Sparc Linux?




  A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc.  It's supposed to be 
rather nice.
  
  We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
than a Clasic very well.


  Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively
new and powerful?




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Foul language on debian lists (was Re: Spam impersonating me (was Re: Spam: the last straw))

2001-11-02 Thread Hans Ekbrand
On Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 03:17:23PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> on Mon, Oct 15, 2001 at 04:54:10PM -0500, DvB ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> 
> 
> > P.S. I was informed off-list that the debian-user list policy prohibits
> > the use of symbols to represent profanity. I'm ashamed to say that I
> > wasn't aware of this and apologize to anyone who may've been offended by
> > my use of such "obscured cussing" at the beginning of my message... I was
> > kind of ticket off when I wrote it.
> 
> Fuck that shit.
> 
> Informed by whom?  There's no notice of such a policy on the Debian
> website.  The only list policies I'm familiar with are open/closed
> subscription, moderation, and the advertising policy:
> 
> http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#ads
> 
> That said, people should generally avoid profanity if at all fucking
> possible.
> 

I think Karsten is wrong here. There is a "Code of Conduct" section on
http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/ that prohibits the use of foul language.
Let me quote 

"Do not use foul language; besides, some people receive the lists via packet
 radio, where swearing is illegal."

I remebered that since it was a striking example of how authors of webb pages
should not make assumptions about the means by which the reader is accessing
that material (i.e. Don't rely on images for navigation, don't use tables to
 solve layout problems)

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Unidentified subject!

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Ferlatte" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 3:31 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions


> On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 02:17:29PM -0600, Rich Puhek wrote:
> > Um... You can't mount /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var on hda5. You can only
> > mount a partition at one place at a time.
> 
> Well, you sort of can:
> 
> telinit 1 (ie, go to single user mode)
> mkdir /storage
> mount /dev/hda5 /storage
> mkdir /storage/home /storage/usr /storage/var /storage/tmp
> cp -a /home /storage/home
> cp -a /var /storage/var
> cp -a /usr /storage/usr
> cp -a /tmp /storage/tmp
> rm -rf /tmp /usr /home /var
> cd /
> ln -s ./storage/var var
> ln -s ./storage/usr usr
> ln -s ./storage/home home
> ln -s ./storage/tmp tmp
> 
> This makes home var usr and tmp share one big partition, that you access
> via symlinks as normal.
> 
> > ...I'm not sure you want to mount /tmp seperately. To be on the safe
> > side... might want to leave that where it is.
> 
> Mounting /tmp as it's own partition is a really good idea; it prevents
> out of control programs and users from using /tmp to fill up your system
> disks.  In kernel 2.4.x, you can even mount tmpfs there, and take
> advantage of tmp files rarely getting written to disk.
> 
> M

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Sparc Linux?

2001-11-02 Thread Robert L. Harris


  A couple of us are playing with Linux on Sparc.  It's supposed to be 
rather nice.
  
  We're currently playing with the Suse version because the guy who 
started this heard the debian version doesn't work on anything better
than a Clasic very well.

  Anyone running Potatoe or Woody on a 420/450 or something relatively
new and powerful?



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Re: Recording CD's (data)

2001-11-02 Thread Stan Brown
On Fri Nov  2 11:57:15 2001 Justin R. Miller wrote...
>
>
>--6Vw0j8UKbyX0bfpA
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>Content-Disposition: inline
>Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
>
>Thus spake Stan Brown ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
>
>> Could anyone give me some advice as to how to make a quick test & see
>> if this device is working? I was thinking of burning, say one of the
>> Debian ISO images.
>
>You should check out the CD-Writing-HOWTO from a place like linuxdoc.org
>or linux.com.  I got a CD burner only a couple months ago, and after
>years of Linux had no idea how to use it.  The HOWTO is a good document
>and explains what you need to do.  You basically need to use SCSI
>emulation on this IDE drive in order to get burning capabilities.=20
>
>
Thanks for the tip.

I went there and read through it, and after recompiling my kernek about a
dozen times, I have to admit I'm stuck. Acording to the HOWTO, I should be
able to run "cdercord -scanbus" and see my CD recorder. I' can't for the
life of me make that work. 

Part of the problem may be that this machine is set up a little strnagely. 

hda -> CD Recorder
hdc -> CD 
hde -> Boot hard disk
hdf -> hard disk
hdg -> hard disk

And a SCSI controler with a DLT tape driver conected to it.

I've added the generic SCSI, and ide-scsi subsytems, but still no luck.

Sugestions?



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Re: "upgrade" vs "dist-upgrade"

2001-11-02 Thread Jason M. Harvey
on a side note, i've been wodering something. i have two boxes, one potato, one 
woody. from what i understand, the "dist-upgrade" will let some packages to be 
removed (converted) to other (replacement) packages while "upgrade" won't. 
on that thought, on the potato box... sources.list points to "stable" not 
"potato"... so, when woody becomes stable, (assuming the "stable" is a symlink 
on the server... would an apt-get update and upgrade automatically take you to 
woody?... or, once woody becomes stable, should i do a "dist-upgrade" at least 
once?

thanks,
jason

On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 11:42:03AM +0100, Hans Ekbrand wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 01, 2001 at 11:00:58PM +0100, Viktor Rosenfeld wrote:
> > Bob Koss wrote:
> > 
> > > Viktor> So, if you "upgrade" to woody, better use "dist-upgrade".
> > > 
> > > If I'm already tracking woody, should I be routinely using "upgrade"
> > > or "dist-upgrade" ?
> > 
> > dist-upgrade.
> > 
> > Now following the thread, there seems to be some discussion about the
> > answer.  Some people suggest using mainly "upgrade" and "dist-upgrade"
> > only on occasions.  Care to tell, why?
> 
> After reading the thread, I have learnt some things. My first answer was 
> based on my current practice, and I still think "upgrade" is good enough. But 
> on the as you suggest, why not always use "dist-upgrade", what is the price?
> 
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Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread Mark Ferlatte
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 02:17:29PM -0600, Rich Puhek wrote:
> Um... You can't mount /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var on hda5. You can only
> mount a partition at one place at a time.

Well, you sort of can:

telinit 1 (ie, go to single user mode)
mkdir /storage
mount /dev/hda5 /storage
mkdir /storage/home /storage/usr /storage/var /storage/tmp
cp -a /home /storage/home
cp -a /var /storage/var
cp -a /usr /storage/usr
cp -a /tmp /storage/tmp
rm -rf /tmp /usr /home /var
cd /
ln -s ./storage/var var
ln -s ./storage/usr usr
ln -s ./storage/home home
ln -s ./storage/tmp tmp

This makes home var usr and tmp share one big partition, that you access
via symlinks as normal.

> ...I'm not sure you want to mount /tmp seperately. To be on the safe
> side... might want to leave that where it is.

Mounting /tmp as it's own partition is a really good idea; it prevents
out of control programs and users from using /tmp to fill up your system
disks.  In kernel 2.4.x, you can even mount tmpfs there, and take
advantage of tmp files rarely getting written to disk.

M



Re: [debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread Rich Puhek
Um... You can't mount /home, /tmp, /usr, and /var on hda5. You can only
mount a partition at one place at a time.

You _can_ make one partition a piece for home, tmp, usr, and var and do
something like:

mount /dev/hda5 /home
mount /dev/hda6 /usr
mount /dev/hda7 /var

...I'm not sure you want to mount /tmp seperately. To be on the safe
side... might want to leave that where it is.



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> Yall,
> 
> Following "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86
> Chapter 4 Partitioning Your Hard Drive "
> 
> As recommended, I have layed down three partitions:
> hda1 Primary, bootable 50MB ext2
> hda5 Logical, 1GB ext2
> hda6 Logical, 233MB swap
> 
> I want:
>   / -> hda1
>   /home, /tmp, /usr, /var, -> dha5
> 
> >From the Potato 2.2rev2 installer, I choose
> "Mount a Previously-Initialized Partion" after
> "Initialize a Linux Partition", but it identifies that there are no unmounted
> partions.  I tried to use "Initialize a Linux Partition" with 'other',
> multiple ',' seperated (guess) arguments, but the installer really did
> not like me then. Somebody must have a good way of doing what I am trying to 
> do.
> 
> Best regards,
> Lloyd D Budd
> 


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serious bug in gnome-pilot 0.1.62; avoid at all costs

2001-11-02 Thread Mike Markley
Sorry for the crosspost but this seemed the best way...

There is a problem with the backup conduit in gnome-pilot 0.1.62 that can
cause a crash requiring a hard reset (and loss of all data) on at least
some Palm devices. The same bug also renders all Palm device backups
created by it completely useless. These backups will, in all likelihood,
crash the device if restored to it.

Upstream recommends that everyone cease using 0.1.62 immediately. A new
release will be rolled within the next day or two, and I'll be uploading it
the same day. Once this new version is installed, you will almost certainly
want to manually delete old backup files as well and start from a fresh
sync, since they may stay around for quite some time in the case of
slow-changing databases, etc.

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RE: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Scott Henson
 > -Original Message-
 > From: Craig Dickson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 > Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:57 PM
 > To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
 > Subject: Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board
 >
 >
 > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 >
 > > (a) It seems that much of www.debian.org is not
 > responding, so I have
 > > been using one of the [nation].debian.org sites.
 > > But these do not seem to have access to the bugs.
 >
 > I'm not sure what you mean here. If you mean security
 > updates for the
 > stable branch of Debian, those are at security.debian.org.
 > There was
 > a brief outage of non-us.debian.org and
 > security.debian.org a few days
 > ago when they were moved to a new machine, but they're fine now.
 >
 > I see that www.debian.org is, as you say, not responding
 > at the moment.


If I am not mistaken master.debian.org is down for scheduled
matinence.  I dont know if it was scheduled to be down this long, but
it is.



 "Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty: power is ever stealing
from the many to the few.  The manna of popular liberty must be
gathered each day, or it is rotten... The hand entrusted with power
becomes, either from human depravity or esprit de corps, the necessary
enemy of the people.  Only by continual oversight can the democrat in
office be prevented from hardening into a despot: only by
unintermitted agitation can a people be kept sufficiently awake to
principle not to let liberty be smothered in material prosperity...
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IPMASQ problem?

2001-11-02 Thread Michael Patterson
My connection seems to be working fine through the cablemodem now, with very
little difficulty (although it's still slow-- I need to look into that)

the current problem is that we use IPMASQ, and play a game called "Dark Age
of Camelot" on the masqueraded win98 systems, which worked fine when I was
using the old service.

Now, I can ping, access web pages, etc from my win98 systems, but when I
play DAOC (or try), it hangs on the "checking for updated files" part of the
update. I'm suspecting my IPMASQ settings didn't make the switch from one
ISP to the other.

Can someone point me to settings that might need to be adjusted?

Thanks,
Mike



RE:[debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread Andrew Agno
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > I want:
 >   / -> hda1
 >   /home, /tmp, /usr, /var, -> dha5

I don't think you can do this, because you can only map one directory
to a partition.  You can try splitting up hda5 into 4 partitions, and
doing the mapping you give.

Andrew.



Re: OT: SQL + PostgreSQL

2001-11-02 Thread Oliver Elphick
bob parker wrote:
  >I am about to start development of an accounting
  >system using PostgerSQL on Debian. It will reside on a
  >server machine running Apache + PHP and the users will
  >access the system via web browsers.
  >I will need some support for the SQL and PHP.
  >Would someone kindly suggest suitable lists where I
  >should subscribe.

For PostgreSQL, pgsql-general@postgresql.org and [EMAIL PROTECTED]
(If you are very inexperienced, [EMAIL PROTECTED])  Go to
www.postgresql.org to find subscription details.

You can also raise Debian PostgreSQL problems on debian-user; I don't
read all messages, but I do scan the subjects for references to my
packages.

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  that ye may be tried; and ye shall have tribulation 
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[debian-user] install with 3 partitions

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Yall,

Following "Installing Debian GNU/Linux 2.2 For Intel x86
Chapter 4 Partitioning Your Hard Drive "

As recommended, I have layed down three partitions:
hda1 Primary, bootable 50MB ext2
hda5 Logical, 1GB ext2
hda6 Logical, 233MB swap

I want:
  / -> hda1
  /home, /tmp, /usr, /var, -> dha5

>From the Potato 2.2rev2 installer, I choose 
"Mount a Previously-Initialized Partion" after 
"Initialize a Linux Partition", but it identifies that there are no unmounted 
partions.  I tried to use "Initialize a Linux Partition" with 'other', 
multiple ',' seperated (guess) arguments, but the installer really did 
not like me then. Somebody must have a good way of doing what I am trying to do.

Best regards,
Lloyd D Budd

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Framebuffer question

2001-11-02 Thread Stan Brown
I'm trying to get framebuffer to work on a Compq box that came with an ATI
Mach64 chipset video card.

After reading through the HOWTO on this I have managed to comiple a kernel
that will make framebuffer work, however the font is to small to use. I'm
using GRUB as a loader, and acording to the HOWTO, I should be able to put
in a line like:

append = "video=atyfb:mode:1024x768,font:SUN12x22"

To control the resolutin and font. However notig I do with this line, seems
to change the look of the text mode consoles.

I tried:

append = "video=atyfb:mode:640x480,font:SUN12x22"

and still got the timey unreadable font.

What am I doing wrong?


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originally coded for a 4-bit microprocessor, written by a 2-bit 
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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
- Original Message - 
From: "Craig Dickson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: 
Sent: Friday, November 02, 2001 12:56 PM
Subject: Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board


> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > (a) It seems that much of www.debian.org is not responding, so I have
> > been using one of the [nation].debian.org sites.
> > But these do not seem to have access to the bugs.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean here. If you mean security updates for the
> stable branch of Debian, those are at security.debian.org. There was
> a brief outage of non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org a few days
> ago when they were moved to a new machine, but they're fine now.
> 

Frank Zimmermann gets what I am talking about in his suggestion to try my 
local mirror -- though he meant http://www.uk.debian.org/.  
I live in Toronto, Canada though... but uk seems very responsive.


> > (d) I am looking for the install tree as it would be on CD(s), as I think 
> > something in the install documentation is incorrect and I want to verify 
> > that it is not just at the release/minor that I have from last year.  Any 
> > help?
> 
> I don't know of any place online that has unpacked CDs. You can get the
> CD image files and burn them to CDs.
> 
> If you're not sure about something in the documentation, feel free to
> ask here about it.

alrite, I have Potato 2.2rev2.  Please confirm where in install boot.bat 
is on rev3 and in dev stream Woody.  I find it in \install directory.


> > (e) Anyway to automatically have the subject line identify the mailing 
> > list.  A few of my other mailing lists have that, example
> > Subject: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > Subject: Re: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > Subject: Re:[debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > ** ick, I dislike when mail clients don't include the space after Re: 
> 
> If you're planning to use a Linux-based email client, you'll be able to
> filter your mail into folders based on any header, not just Subject.
> For Debian mailing lists, the X-Mailing-List header gives you both the
> name of the list and also the archive index of the message. Your message,
> for example, had this header when I received it:
> 
> > X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/178258
> 
> I use a popular mail filtering program called procmail. There are others
> as well.
> 
> I suppose procmail could modify the headers of your incoming mail, if
> you really want to identify the list in the Subject header. I've never
> used it that way, though.

Awesome info Craig, probably more sophisticated
user solution than
I currently can do... so I may be coming back to yall for help on that ;-) 
Does anyone else see the benefit for server-side subject line 
identification particularly for the newbie, possibly only for 'debian-user'.
I know that my local LUG, TLUG, which I recently started getting 
involved in, does just this.  I could find out what it takes.  

I know, I know, you guys hate it when the new guy tries to change the world :-D


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Re: Making Video CDs

2001-11-02 Thread csj
On Friday 02 November 2001 08:34, Craig Dickson wrote:
> I'm interested in making my own Video CDs (playable in my
> VCD-compatible DVD player).
>
> I have a number of good-quality MPEG-2 movies. I gather I would have
> to convert these to MPEG-1. Is there any free Linux software that can
> do this?
>
> I read somewhere that a Video CD is simply a data CD with a
> particular directory structure and a set of text files for contents,
> menus, and so on, in addition to the MPEG-1 movie files. So can I
> just write the text files by hand and burn the files to a CD-R to
> create a working Video CD?

I don't think they're plain vanilla data CD's. Otherwise you can 
happily do just:

mount /cdrom ; cp /cdrom/mpegav/avseq01.dat .

(or something to those effects). You can do a "dd" on a VCD, but the 
resulting data isn't of much use. For making VCD's the definitive 
resource is perhaps VCDimager, availbable for unstable. The website is 
www.vcdimager.org. VCDimager accepts, however, only "compliant" mpeg-1 
streams. So, you need another program to downgrade your "good-quality 
MPEG-2 movies." You can try ffmpeg (http://ffmpeg.sourceforge.net).

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread dman
On Fri, Nov 02, 2001 at 09:56:39AM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:

| > (e) Anyway to automatically have the subject line identify the mailing 
| > list.  A few of my other mailing lists have that, example
| > Subject: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > Subject: Re: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > Subject: Re:[debian-user]: a big problem !!!
| > ** ick, I dislike when mail clients don't include the space after Re: 
| 
| If you're planning to use a Linux-based email client, you'll be able to
| filter your mail into folders based on any header, not just Subject.
| For Debian mailing lists, the X-Mailing-List header gives you both the
| name of the list and also the archive index of the message. Your message,
| for example, had this header when I received it:
| 
| > X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/178258
| 
| I use a popular mail filtering program called procmail. There are others
| as well.
| 
| I suppose procmail could modify the headers of your incoming mail, if
| you really want to identify the list in the Subject header. I've never
| used it that way, though.

I use procmail this way to add a Lines: header so that mutt's display
of the message size is correct (using maildir folder).


# add the Lines: header if it is missing
:0 Bfh
* H ?? !^Lines:
* -1^0
*  1^1 ^.*$
| formail -A "Lines: $="


I don't really understand _how_ it works (it was given to me), but I'm
sure someone can modify it to munge the subject header.

-D



Re: Emacs - LISP Libraries

2001-11-02 Thread Alan Shutko
Benjamin Pharr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I am running testing, and when I run emacs and do a C-h p, it can't
> find any of the libraries. It will list them just fine, but when you
> try a particular one it says:

What version of Emacs?

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Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Frank Zimmermann

On Friday 02 November 2001 09:28 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



 (a) It seems that much of www.debian.org is not responding, so I have
 been using one of the [nation].debian.org sites.
 But these do not seem to have access to the bugs.


I'm having trouble connecting as well.  Must be a temporary problem as
www.debian.org is usually very realiable.


Try your local mirror like http://www.ukdebian.org for the UK.

Frank
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Emacs - LISP Libraries

2001-11-02 Thread Benjamin Pharr
I am running testing, and when I run emacs and do a C-h p, it can't find 
any of the libraries. It will list them just fine, but when you try a 
particular one it says:


Can't find library *blah*.el

Any ideas?

Ben Pharr



Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread Craig Dickson
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> (a) It seems that much of www.debian.org is not responding, so I have
> been using one of the [nation].debian.org sites.
> But these do not seem to have access to the bugs.

I'm not sure what you mean here. If you mean security updates for the
stable branch of Debian, those are at security.debian.org. There was
a brief outage of non-us.debian.org and security.debian.org a few days
ago when they were moved to a new machine, but they're fine now.

I see that www.debian.org is, as you say, not responding at the moment.

> (b) I cannot seem to find the FAQ for the various mailing lists, to make 
> sure my questions have not been asked 1K times.  Where are they located?
> The archive and search both seem fairly good.

I don't think the individual lists have their own FAQs. The archive and
search, as you say, are good, and that's the best way to see if there's
already an answer for your question.

> (c) I am looking for the debian newbie or new user mailing list.  Does one 
> not exist?

I think debian-user is the best place to ask general new user questions.

> (d) I am looking for the install tree as it would be on CD(s), as I think 
> something in the install documentation is incorrect and I want to verify 
> that it is not just at the release/minor that I have from last year.  Any 
> help?

I don't know of any place online that has unpacked CDs. You can get the
CD image files and burn them to CDs.

If you're not sure about something in the documentation, feel free to
ask here about it.

> (e) Anyway to automatically have the subject line identify the mailing 
> list.  A few of my other mailing lists have that, example
> Subject: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> Subject: Re: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> Subject: Re:[debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> ** ick, I dislike when mail clients don't include the space after Re: 

If you're planning to use a Linux-based email client, you'll be able to
filter your mail into folders based on any header, not just Subject.
For Debian mailing lists, the X-Mailing-List header gives you both the
name of the list and also the archive index of the message. Your message,
for example, had this header when I received it:

> X-Mailing-List:  archive/latest/178258

I use a popular mail filtering program called procmail. There are others
as well.

I suppose procmail could modify the headers of your incoming mail, if
you really want to identify the list in the Subject header. I've never
used it that way, though.

Craig



Re: [debian-user] I'm coming on board

2001-11-02 Thread lloyder
Thanks for the feedback Kurt.

> > (e) Anyway to automatically have the subject line identify the mailing
> > list.  A few of my other mailing lists have that, example
> > Subject: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > Subject: Re: [debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > Subject: Re:[debian-user]: a big problem !!!
> > ** ick, I dislike when mail clients don't include the space after Re:
> 
> Not sure what you're asking for here.  This list (debian-user) already 
> identifies itself in the subject line as you can see above.  You just have to 
> create a filter in your MUA based on [debian-user].  You can also filter on 
> the list address, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

No Kurt, I did that manually :-D
I typed the subject "[debian-user] I'm coming on board"

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