Re: apm strangeness

[Nick Hastings]

Hi Charles,

* Charles Baker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [020306 13:43]:
> 
> --- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Look in /proc.  There should be an apm file there. 
> > If not, linux is NOT using
> > apm.
> 
> Okay, no /proc/apm but what could've killed it for
> 2.4.17 ? It was working just fine before I installed
> 2.4.18 .

What is in your /etc/lilo.conf now?

Nick.

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Re: What shows what an uninstalled package does?

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Dave" == Dave Sherohman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


 Dave> Sorry, I was unclear...  I was wondering what advantages
 Dave> grepping/emacsing/lessing /var/lib/dpkg/available has over
 Dave> apt-cache. 

Similar to the advantages dselect has, in a way -- I can look
 at _all_ known packages, flip back and forth with simple pager
 commands, as opposed to making new apt-cache queries, and having to
 go back and forth between queries. 

I don't have to apt-cache search; apt-cache show just
/ ^Package: *some-name
 and all the details are laid out immediately.

Perhaps it is just the old unix persona showing through.

manoj
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Re: AVI/DivX -> MPEG1 converter?

[Harry Putnam]

Harry Putnam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> there's http://packages.debian.org/ which
>> may help. see newbieDoc.sf.net/system/apt-get-intro.html (items
>> 7 and 12, specifically) for more ideas...
>
> Probably blind but I don't see anything there about finding files that
> are not installed.  (not packages... files)

Wow ... not sure how the mangling happened but this message began life
as a reply to Will Trillich 

From: will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Generic file finder question ..what tool or database
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Date: Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:28:03 -0600
Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: Enough time wasted, moving on

[Manoj Srivastava]

>>"Corrin" == Corrin Lakeland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Corrin> I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd
 Corrin> add some support for Harry's point of view here.

Actually, I would like to know what that is. Do we have
 problems with testing/unstable? Yes, that is why they are not
 released. 

 Corrin> Firstly, stable vs woody.  We recently had a thread on -devel
 Corrin> where we concluded that ordinary users are best running
 Corrin> testing.

With some caveats: they have to realize testing is not like
 stable. They are getting a newer distribution that is rough around
 the edges. And upgrading/installing of an unreleased distribution are
 indeed going to be problem points. 

 Corrin> You can't complain they have a hard time installing
 Corrin> testing when that is what we tell them to run.  Yes the

Do we really? (I don't happen to recal the devel thread, and I
 do follow -devel).  If we somehow imply that testing is as easy to
 install as the stable distribution is, then we are doing these people
 a disservice. 


 Corrin> I'll now post the story of what happened last time I
 Corrin> installed debian.  The situation isn't that dissimilar from
 Corrin> Harry's.  -- I've been using unix for a long time and debian
 Corrin> for a while.  Recently I upgraded my machine again and I've
 Corrin> had a number of problems.  Furthermore, if I'm having
 Corrin> problems, just how bad is Debian for new users? We all hear
 Corrin> stories about how people were shown linux years ago and found
 Corrin> it _way_ too difficuilt; based on my experiences I think it
 Corrin> is still happening.

[problems with the kernel, X, mouse, and framebuffers snipped]

Did you file bug reports for all these problems?

What _is_ the point of this message? Are you saying that woody
 is not yet release quality? We know that already. Are you trying to
 say installing Debian is harder than installing other distributions,
 despite our recent efforts to make it easier? well, my response is 
 a) we may not have the same target audience that the other
distributions do -- despite our efforts to the contrary
 b) This is a volunteer effort. It works when people scratch their
itches, speaking in a software sense. Since this so obviously
bothers you, don't you think you should join in on the boot
floppies effort (debian-boot@lists.debian.org) and help with
making the install a better one? debian-user mails are not
really the most efficient ways to change things.

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Re: Generic file finder question ..what tool or database

[Harry Putnam]

Simon Hepburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tuesday 05 Mar 2002 7:25 am, Harry Putnam wrote:
>> If I have the name of a file like xpm.h and want to know what package
>> contains it.  And I find that `apt-cache search xpm.h' doesn't know
>> about it.
>
> apt-cache search only checks package names and descriptions
>
>> And dpkg -S xpm.h doesn't either
>
> It does if you have the relevant package installed

I'm not talking about installed packages

> #dpkg -S xpm.h
> #xlibs-dev: /usr/X11R6/include/X11/xpm.h
>
> Otherwise try here:
>
> http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages#search_contents

Thanks .. thats the baby.

What about listing packages in cache that are not installed
Browsing over man apt-get apt-cache dbkg I didn't notice a command
that lists all the packages onboard  that are not installed.

Re: AVI/DivX -> MPEG1 converter?

[Harry Putnam]

will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> there's http://packages.debian.org/ which
> may help. see newbieDoc.sf.net/system/apt-get-intro.html (items
> 7 and 12, specifically) for more ideas...

Probably blind but I don't see anything there about finding files that
are not installed.  (not packages... files)

Re: Redhat to Debian?

[Osamu Aoki]

Hi,
On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 07:59:46AM -0500, infotechsys wrote:
> Hi,
> Is there a HOWTO on how to go from
> a redhat system to Debian system? If
> so, couls someone point me to it. I could find
> anything at the Debian site.
> Thanks.
> Wayne

I think someone else already mentioned major configuration differences.

If you are not allergic to reboot, it is easiest to install small Debian
console system and learn first about its packaging system.

Suppose you have fully functional REDHAT box with internet connection,
and it has 500MB or more of empti space on harddisk, install DEBIAN
without X and select newbie help in "tasksel" or in other word, "newbie"
in "simple" install option.

Then reboot REDHAT and mount Debian partition to /mnt or somewhere.  Run 

# chroot /mnt

from root then you are in Debian.  Play with it a while.  Copy
configuration and needed files from REDHAT to DEBIAN.  Once you are
confortable, then move to DEBIAN.

If you want to do this without reboot, download "debootstrap" command
from woody archive and do similar staff.  But too complicated to
describe here.  Theoretically, you can move from REDHAT to DEBIAN
without reboot.

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Re: Disabling interactive init on Debian

[Michael Danicich]

This, as far as I know, is actually referring to the feature in Red Hat (and 
Red Hat variants, like Mandrake) where you can press 'i' 
while init is starting.  This allows you to interactively choose which things 
you want to run and which you want skipped.  To answer 
the original question:  don't worry about it, because Debian does not have this 
functionality.

Mike

> Em Ter, 2002-03-05 às 11:57, will trillich escreveu:
> > On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 09:40:48AM -0800, Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> > > In the Trinity OS security recommenation they say to disable the ability
> > > to run init interactively by setting
> > > 
> > > prompt=no
> > > 
> 
> This is the default in Debian (in lilo.conf) but it is not necessary,
> even if the guy in front of the computer types the usual:
> linux single
> :he will not get root access to your computer without knowing the
> passwd. (At least on testing with a 2.4.x kernel).
> 
> If he wants access, he can always boot on a floppy or CD and do whatever
> he wants to.
> You will have to disable (in the BIOS) floppy/CD booting AND put a BIOS
> passwd or all this is for nothing.
> 
> Michel.
> 
> 
> > > in a file called /etc/sysconfig/init, but that file doesn't exist on my
> > > Debian Potato, and I don't find one that has "prompt=" in it (well,
> > > there is one, but it's a binary called /etc/alternatives/pager, so I
> > > don't think that's it).  Any ideas?  TIA.
> > 
> >  # /etc/lilo.conf - See: `lilo(8)' and `lilo.conf(5)',
> >  # ---   `install-mbr(8)', `/usr/share/doc/lilo/',
> >  #   and `/usr/share/doc/mbr/'.
> > 
> > [snip]
> > 
> >  # Specifies the number of deciseconds (0.1 seconds) LILO should
> >  # wait before booting the first image.
> >  #
> >  delay=20
> > 
> >  # You can put a customized boot message up if you like.  If you use
> >  # `prompt', and this computer may need to reboot unattended, you
> >  # must specify a `timeout', or it will sit there forever waiting
> >  # for a keypress.  `single-key' goes with the `alias' lines in the
> >  # `image' configurations below.  eg: You can press `1' to boot
> >  # `Linux', `2' to boot `LinuxWAS', if you uncomment the `alias'.
> >  #
> >  # message=/boot/bootmess.txt
> >  # prompt
> >  # single-key
> >  # delay=100
> >  # timeout=100
> > 
> >  image=/vmlinuz
> >   label=Linux
> >   read-only
> >  # restricted
> >  # alias=1
> > 
> >  image=/vmlinuz.was
> >   label=LinuxWAS
> >   read-only
> >   optional
> >  # restricted
> >  # alias=2
> > 
> > see "man lilo.conf" and when you mess with lilo.conf, be sure to
> > run "lilo" itself so your new settings will be written to the
> > boot sector for your next restart.
> > 
> > i think.
> > 
> > -- 
> > I use Debian/GNU Linux version 2.2;
> > Linux server 2.2.17 #1 Sun Jun 25 09:24:41 EST 2000 i586 unknown
> >  
> > DEBIAN NEWBIE TIP #44 from Will Trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > :
> > Ever think you're reading OUTDATED DOCUMENTATION? Check the
> > last-revised-date: if it's more than a few years ago, then
> > there's probably something more recent out there. It may
> > be under a whole different name, so it'll take perseverance
> > and determination on your part. Be alert -- you'll find it!
> > 
> > Also see http://newbieDoc.sourceForge.net/ ...
> > 
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Re: OT: Aliens in the heavans (was Re: seti@home)

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 17:19, Gary Hennigan wrote:
> "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 14:13, Gary Turner wrote:
> > > I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding my
> > > linbox to the mix.  So, the question is what is the appropriate
> > > directory to unpack and run this little bippy?  How does the graphical
> > > mode do?
> > 
> > Have you looked at http://www.distributed.net?  Instead of scanning
> > the sky for aliens broadcasting into the heavens, it tries to brute-
> > crack an RC5-64 cypher.
> > 
> > P.S. - If we expect _others_ to broadcast, why don't we broadcast
> > in all directions around the globe, hoping that someone else hears
> > us?
> 
> Hate to tell ya this but we broadcast straight out to the heavens
> constantly. That's how we uplink to satellites. You realize that the
> radio signals we send out to those birds aren't exactly like a laser
> beam, right? Even the narrowest-beam radio-frequency broadcast, aimed
> with extreme accuracy at the intended satellite, is going to "spill"
> quite a bit out to space. Think about satellite TV systems. One bird
> in space can cover a lot of ground on the Earth's surface. Same
> prinicipal in the opposite direction.

Yes, yes, all those TV, radio stations, satelite uplink stations
(the vast majority all of which are in the Northern Hemisphere) 
are radiating outwards.

However, since you know full well the, well, astronomical, 
distances involved, and given that radiation strength drops as 
a cubic (since waves go out in 3 dimentions) function as distance
increases, I have a question:

If most stars need telescopes (even the Hubble) to see them, 
and they radiate jillions^3 of watts on energy, and still look
like pin-pricks, how could the signal from a 50,000 watt radio 
station, or a 250,000 watt TV station (both of whose signals
are absorbed somewhat by the air) reach an antennae 20 light 
years away, while passing through all that background noise?

Since I've been wrong more than once, please tell me what I'm
missing.
 
> Not only that, but there's probably a lot of omni-directional antennas
> in use for surface-to-surface broadcasts as well. This means they send
> as much signal straight up as they do to surface targets. I'm
> simplifying it a lot (mainly because it's been so long since I studied
> this stuff), but suffice it to say we "leak" a *LOT* of radio signal
> out into space. It's safe to assume that any other civilizations out
> there, with of the same technological means, do the same and I'm sure
> that's what SETI is targeted at finding.
> 
> There are plenty of reasons to question the worth of the SETI project,

What are they?

> just not on the grounds that an alien civilization would have to
> intentionally broadcast a signal to us for us to detect it.

Not to US, but just out in _EVERY_ direction, since that alien civ
doesn't know in what direction the receiving civ is.

> Of course if you're being sarcastic then I just wasted too much time
> replying, and you need to use smileys! :)

Well, no, not sarcastic, just of a different religion.  I prefer to
waste my cycles trying to brute-force crack a 64-bit cypher.  Since
it's been going for ~3 years now, any rational person should deduce
that brute-force cracking RC5-64 is a BIG waste of time...

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Re: The quest for rodent power

[Simon Hepburn]

On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:02 am, Harry Putnam wrote:

> That gives me some almost laughable output:
>
> root # /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw
> Alarm clock

Could that be a wake up call ? Purge gpm. Reinstall it.


Simon Hepburn.

Re: XFree86 4.1.x ATI Radeon support?

[Scott Henson]

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 20:33, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> So, can I get myself a Radeon card? 
Yes you can.  I have Radeon VE, which is a Radeon 7500 but suped up...
It runs fine under E... also I personally think it runs better than
under windows.  And if you check on xfree86.org you can check
compatibility and it is compatible.  So yes.  I love radeons and I would
recomend it.  

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Re: The quest for rodent power

[Carel Fellinger]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 06:09:29PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
...
> Yes, both configs the ones that work for X and the ones that don't
> have been posted in the last 2 hours or so.  Maybe  a little longer by
> now.

saw them.  There still is this delay in the list I'm not used too,
something wrong at the debian mailing list host? Makes these
discussion a little harder:(

> One further point here:
> 
> Concerning the validity of the hardware itself.  Where this debian
> install now resides, there was a redhat 7.1 basic system (no X)
> installed.
> 
> Using all the same hardware, that system came up with a working mouse
> as soon as the install was complete.  This is not to compare OS's or
> say who's better or any of that bunk.  But it should indicate the
> hardware isn't at fault here. 

The fact that you got it working with an `X-only' setup goes a long
way reassuring me that the hardware is okee too.

A stupid idea maybe, but could you try to build an older version of gpm?
e.g. the version that worked from RedHat 7.1?  Or the version from potato?
IIRC there has been some frantic hacking going on lately to improve on the
ps/2 mouse handling of gpm.  Maybe, just maybe, it introduced some failure
code for your specific mouse.

-- 
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Re: Enough time wasted, moving on

[Simon Hepburn]

On Wednesday 06 Mar 2002 2:25 am, Corrin Lakeland wrote:

> Firstly, stable vs woody.  We recently had a thread on -devel where we
> concluded that ordinary users are best running testing.  You can't complain
> they have a hard time installing testing when that is what we tell them to
> run.  Yes the installation CDs may be fscked, but it sounds like the
> problems Harry had were to do with installation in general and the CDs
> didn't get in the way to me.

Install using potato cd's, upgrade to woody afterwards is the way to go. It's 
a bit premature to start slagging off the woody install cd's when it hasn't 
even released yet.

> After plugging everything in I was relieved to see lilo come up and things
> seemed to be booting fairly well.  Suddenly a kernel panic came on screen,
> whoops :-(.  I rebooted and picked one of my older kernels from lilo ... X
> fails to start but I get a login prompt.  For those interested, after a bit
> of experimentation with recompiling the kernel I've found the K7 option
> seems to cause problems.

OK, so you had problems with a self rolled kernel. What's that got to do with 
the pre-built kernels that will eventually ship on the woody cd ?

> My next problem was getting X and the modem working.  I've got an ISA modem
> which I've been using on IRQ 4 at 3F8, I found it worked more reliably than
> a PCI winmodem. pon resulted in the required beeping noises, much to my
> relief, but /var/log/messages informed me my serial line wasn't clear with
> bit 7 set to zero. Repeated attempts failed at different stages, once even
> managing to connect.  wvdial claimed not to be able to find the modem at
> all.  Do you realise just how hard it is to do _anything_ in debian without
> access to the net? I wasn't able to get documentation or install useful
> looking packages. After a while I guessed an IRQ conflict with the bios,
> disabled the built in serial ports and the net came up.  Good old ISA...

There is usually a lot of docs on the cd's. 
apt-get install doc-linux-html lynx . Read the Modem How-To.

> Next was X.  Something with the framebuffer was working since I had a
> penguin coming up on startup.  According to the motherboard's manual I had
> a via chipset which is uses some trident blade chip.  However X autodetect
> refused to find my mouse (PS2)... Eventually I worked out that for some
> reason .devfsd had dissapeared so devfsd wasn't loaded, and so my mouse
> device didn't exist.

Framebuffer ? devfsd ? Aren't these  marked *experimental* in your kernel 
config ? What you choose to include in your kernel is your business. I just 
don't see the connection with the woody install process

> Unfortunatly, booting X resulted in lockups and similar.  I had carefully
> set things like 640x480 resolution with a low referesh rate to avoid this. 
> It turned out to be a bug in the video card's driver and required manually
> disabling X extensions in the XF86-Config file.

I grant you X installation could be easier, but it is already a lot easier 
than X3.3. Progress is being made. Are you sure your problems were not 
related to running a framebuffer ?

> Sound required a number of attempts at recompiling the kernel and I still
> don't have ALSA or arts working.

Again ALSA is not in the 2.4.x series kernel. It will be in 2.6. How is this 
Debian's fault ? Could you have got your sound card going with a pre-built 
kernel by selecting the appropiate OSS/Kernel modules ?

> Anyway, my point is that installing Debian is a nightmare compared to
> anything else. Compare the leaps and bounds that system ease-of-use has
> gone through over the past two years, and then look at the installation
> process.  I know there are projects working on this, but they aren't here
> yet, so I think Harry's point is fair.

I like the level of control the current install method gives. Should the day 
arrive that we have some flash graphical automatic installer, I hope it will 
be an alternative rather than a replacement.

> PS: Not that installing XP is any better.  The one time I did that I had to
> rip every single piece of hardware out of the machine to get it to install,
> and then add them back one by one.  Without ripping anything out, the
> installer either hangs or leaves the system unbootable.

So much for flash graphical installers


Simon Hepburn.

Re: The quest for rodent power

[Carel Fellinger]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 06:02:26PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw
...
> That gives me some almost laughable output:
> 
> root # /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw
> Alarm clock

I've checked the gpm source (gpm-1.19.6) and there is no clock or
Alarm there at all. There are some alarm calls, but I'm not aware
that that call produces this output.  So I find this very strange.
Maybe someone with C experience can chime in to tell whether there
is a system call that produces "Alarm clock" as output?

Well, I'm intriguid, so I did some testing:)
When on a potato system I chroot into a woody system and try the above
command *while there is still* a gpm daemon running, I get the exact
same message and gpm returns almost immediately.  But when I kill that
potato gpm daemon, than the above incantation works as expected.

I then went on, kill the potato daemon, did the above magic incantation,
put it in the background and ran another one. Same message thit time.

This to me implies there is a gpm daemon afterall.


> But still not running:
> root # ps waxu|grep gpm
>

I don't mean to belittle you, you seem to know your way on a linux
machine, but as I don't really know you, nor how far you knowledge
goes, nor what you're actually doing, I'm bound to ask some stupid
questions. I'm sorry for that, but here I go:

e.g. I.m curious whether the above long gpm command

   # /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw

did return immediately or kept running and that you did the 

   # ps waxul|grep gpm

in a different xterm/console

It's the way you worded the events that made me wonder.
Probably it's just that you wanted to make sure that gpm
didn't put itself in the background although the -D option
told it not to, but I'm not sure.

 
> Also to clear the record here.  Some are suggesting
> /etc/init.d/gpm is not present or other such basic things.

Well, I'm still curious whether the *content* of that file is sane.
It's such a strange error w're dealing with here, that I think we
should eleminate all things step by step, and some of those steps will
seem silly, but they are in no way ment to imply you don't know what
you're doing.  So things like protection, a left over quick `exit' in
a script are all things we must consider.


> I think the fact that this command has any output at all indicates
> that all is well in that quarter:

The command above doesn't call /etc/init.d/gpm, so why should it prove
that file is okee?  And the command below doesn't show whether the
start-stop-daemon call in it was commented out or not.

> root # /etc/init.d/gpm force-reload
> Stopping mouse interface server: gpm.
> Starting mouse interface server: gpm.

So we really still don't know if this file is okee, do we:)

> Its just that nothing actually happens.

yep, that's why I think you should stick to calling gpm directly and
not use /etc/init.d/gpm

-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: ALSA modules not loading

[Caleb Shay]

Let me guess.  You used alsaconf to configure alsa, right?  I ran into
the same problem.  If you edit your alsa config file (in
/etc/alsa/modutils) you will see the line that contains the snd_dac_etc
stuff, just delete the whole line and things should work.

Caleb

On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 16:23, Richard Weil wrote:
> Yet another ALSA question ...
> 
> Problems are with a maestro-2 (es1968) soundcard
> running on 2.4.18-ac3, ALSA compiled from source on an
> up-to-date Woody system.[Same problems occurred with
> other kernels, but I never fixed them.]
> 
> In a nutshell, the ALSA modules won't load
> automatically.  If I use "insmod" I can insert the
> relevant sound modules one-by-one and ALSA works. If I
> use "modprobe" I can get all of the sound modules to
> load _except_ for "snd-card-es1968". I get the
> following error:
> 
> lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: invalid
> parameter parm_snd_dac_frame_size
> 
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: insmod
> 
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o failed
> 
> /lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: insmod
> snd-card-es1968 failed
> 
> I think this error is probably whats stopping the
> modules from loading automatically when I start a
> player, like alsaplayer. I've checked in
> /etc/modules.conf and everything looks fine. The
> parameter mentioned as being invalid is fine per the
> ALSA docs. I also tried it with a few different values
> and still no dice.
> 
> Any ideas? Why would insmod work but not modprobe?
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Richard
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Re: XFree86 4.1.x ATI Radeon support?

[Rogério Brito]

On Mar 05 2002, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> So, can I get myself a Radeon card? 

I can't speak about Radeons, but I *can* speak about Rage 128s
(used, for instance, in my iBook, which, of course, runs
Linux). It works quite well and has xv (among other things)
supported.

OTOH, I think that Radeons are only fully supported starting
with XFree86 4.2.0. I'm actually not sure, but people with
newer Powerbooks (with Radeon chipsets) may actually want to
use that.

Otherwise, you can use the http://gatos.sf.net/ drivers.

So, I guess that the answer to your question would be: "yes".


[]s, Roger...

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Re: apm strangeness

[Charles Baker]

--- Sean 'Shaleh' Perry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Look in /proc.  There should be an apm file there. 
> If not, linux is NOT using
> apm.

Okay, no /proc/apm but what could've killed it for
2.4.17 ? It was working just fine before I installed
2.4.18 .

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Re: apm strangeness

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

Look in /proc.  There should be an apm file there.  If not, linux is NOT using
apm.

kernel-2.4.18-686-image and pcmcia

[Charles Baker]

I did an apt-get install of kernel-2.4.18-686 on my
Dell Latitude yesterday. Everything looked good, but
when I rebooted into 2.4.18, I had no pcmcia network
connection. A little investigation showed that the
pcmcia modules were installed to
/lib/modules/kernel-pcmcia-2.4.18-686 instead of
/lib/modules/2.4.18-686/pcmcia as was the case w/
2.4.17 ? What's up with that? I made a symlink in
/lib/modules/2.4.18 called pcmcia that points to
/lib/modules/kernel-pcmcia-2.4.18-686 , but that
didn't work. Also, booting 2.4.17 says "cramfs wrong
magic", but it boots. I just rebooted to 2.4.18, no
wrong magic error, but did get

``ds: no socket drivers loaded!''

Under the 2.4.17, lsmod shows yenta_socket and
af_packet loaded. I really don't know what either of
those modules do, can someone shed some light before I
dive into the module source? Under 2.4.18, af_packet
is loaded, but not yenta, and af is unused. BTW, I do
have a xircom pcmcia ethernet card.

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apm strangeness

[Charles Baker]

I had kernel-2.4.17-686-image running just fine w/ apm
support on my Dell Latitude. I think it's very nice of
the package maintainers to include that, btw. I have
the line append="apm=on" in my lilo.conf. Yesterday I
installed kernel-2.4.18-686-image. Now when booting
back into 2.4.17, wmbattery won't start. I tried
starting it on the command line, and it says no apm
support in the kernel. I also have apmd installed. One
of the early lines in /etc/init.d/apmd runs
/usr/lib/apmd/ampd/apm_exists , which I assume must
return a boolean value or non-zero or something or
else the script exits. An even earlier line looks for
the existance of /usr/sbin/apmd or cause the script to
exit. Both of those files exist, what is going on
here? If I run apm_exists from the command line I get
nada. Can anyone point in the right direction to solve
this? Why would it work before installing 2.4.18? I
also did an dist-upgrade yesterday. 

TIA

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Re: Enough time wasted, moving on

[Corrin Lakeland]

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I've been ignoring this thread for a while, but I thought I'd add some support 
for Harry's point of view here.

Firstly, stable vs woody.  We recently had a thread on -devel where we 
concluded that ordinary users are best running testing.  You can't complain 
they have a hard time installing testing when that is what we tell them to 
run.  Yes the installation CDs may be fscked, but it sounds like the problems 
Harry had were to do with installation in general and the CDs didn't get in 
the way to me.

I'll now post the story of what happened last time I installed debian.  The 
situation isn't that dissimilar from Harry's.
- --
I've been using unix for a long time and debian for a while.  Recently I 
upgraded my machine again and I've had a number of problems.  Furthermore, if 
I'm having problems, just how bad is Debian for new users? We all hear 
stories about how people were shown linux years ago and found it _way_ too 
difficuilt; based on my experiences I think it is still happening.

Ok, the first step in my upgrade process was upgrading everything except the 
hard drive.  Before turning the old machine off I recompiled the kernel with 
support for practically everything, a buggy bios, etc. The point I'm trying 
to make is that I went out of my way to minimise problems.


After plugging everything in I was relieved to see lilo come up and things 
seemed to be booting fairly well.  Suddenly a kernel panic came on screen, 
whoops :-(.  I rebooted and picked one of my older kernels from lilo ... X 
fails to start but I get a login prompt.  For those interested, after a bit 
of experimentation with recompiling the kernel I've found the K7 option seems 
to cause problems.

My next problem was getting X and the modem working.  I've got an ISA modem 
which I've been using on IRQ 4 at 3F8, I found it worked more reliably than a 
PCI winmodem. pon resulted in the required beeping noises, much to my relief, 
but /var/log/messages informed me my serial line wasn't clear with bit 7 set 
to zero. Repeated attempts failed at different stages, once even managing to 
connect.  wvdial claimed not to be able to find the modem at all.  Do you 
realise just how hard it is to do _anything_ in debian without access to the 
net? I wasn't able to get documentation or install useful looking packages.  
After a while I guessed an IRQ conflict with the bios, disabled the built in 
serial ports and the net came up.  Good old ISA...

Next was X.  Something with the framebuffer was working since I had a penguin 
coming up on startup.  According to the motherboard's manual I had a via 
chipset which is uses some trident blade chip.  However X autodetect refused 
to find my mouse (PS2)... Eventually I worked out that for some reason 
.devfsd had dissapeared so devfsd wasn't loaded, and so my mouse device 
didn't exist.

Unfortunatly, booting X resulted in lockups and similar.  I had carefully set 
things like 640x480 resolution with a low referesh rate to avoid this.  It 
turned out to be a bug in the video card's driver and required manually 
disabling X extensions in the XF86-Config file.  

Sound required a number of attempts at recompiling the kernel and I still 
don't have ALSA or arts working.
- --
Anyway, my point is that installing Debian is a nightmare compared to anything 
else. Compare the leaps and bounds that system ease-of-use has gone through 
over the past two years, and then look at the installation process.  I know 
there are projects working on this, but they aren't here yet, so I think 
Harry's point is fair.

Corrin

PS: Not that installing XP is any better.  The one time I did that I had to 
rip every single piece of hardware out of the machine to get it to install, 
and then add them back one by one.  Without ripping anything out, the 
installer either hangs or leaves the system unbootable.





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Re: x-forwarding with ssh

[Tom Cook]

Vineet Kumar wrote:
[snip]
> Also, please, please, PLEASE! DON'T do this:
> 
> local$ ssh remote
> remote$ export DISPLAY=local:0 # DON'T EVER DO THIS!!!
> remote$ xterm
> 
> As others have already explained. You might as well be using telnet.
> This defeats the entire purpose of tunneling. What you'd be doing in
> this case is telling the remote x client to connect directly to the
> local x server using the unencrypted X protocol. If the local X server
> even accepts it (woody and sid have been told not to, by default) all
> the traffic sent over that connection is in the clear -- might as well
> just be telnet.

My apologies for suggesting this earlier - if I had thought about it I
would have realised it is bad, but obviously I didn't think.

Tom

Re: The future of Debian install??

[Francisco M. Marzoa Alonso]

On Wednesday 06 March 2002 01:41, Oki DZ wrote:
> Michael Marziani wrote:
> > I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but
> > every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card,
> > graphics card, etc just to save me the trouble of looking them up.  Not
> > to mention that xfree86setup is a pain.
>



> Try to ask RedHat users: "What do you know about X server?"

This battle is older than Hell but...

Well, I don't know how RH goes now, but the first RH distribution I test 
about seven years ago (4.x or so...) has an installation like the one Debian 
has today. Later, I migrate to SuSE because it was easier to configure; I 
meant that you can install it once and dont take care about read a lot of 
howtos and spent a lot of time reconfiguring things just to use my own 
language. If I'm today using Debian (since last Saturday) its mainly I'm on 
"vacation" and have a lot of time to fight with the system; I'm not using 
Debian because I think its the best distribution, so I dont think so, I'm 
using it mainly by its philosophy (its not a commercial product). If I were 
still working, I've never drop my comfortable SuSE.

Keep on mind that everyone can configure this distribution; its not a matter 
of brain, its a matter of TIME, and there's a lot of people that needs a 
computer to do things very different that spent time configuring the SO, 
specially if they're not computer technicians; they do NOT NEED to know 
nothing about the underlaying technology as, in example, a JAVA programmer DO 
NOT NEED to know nothing about x86 assembler or an x86 assembler programmer 
DO NOT NEED to know the machine codes of each mnemonic.

On the other hand, if you need, or simply want, to learn how an X Server its 
configured from scratch (or how obtain milk directly from a cow instead from 
the bottle...), you still will be able to learn it with or without the 
existence of an automatic setup program.

When computers used perfored cards to store information, holes was performed 
by a device; but I think you could use a pin and do it by hand...

Finally, I'll like to know everything about every field, but none lives 
forever. If Debian has have a better (call it "easier" or "faster" or so...) 
setup system, I've had migrate to it from years ago.

> Oki



Cheers,

DVD players under Linux (was: Re: 2.4 kernels with potato and Movie players)

[Rogério Brito]

On Mar 05 2002, user list wrote:
> I'm thinking of installing a 2.4 kernel on a potato box. Is there
> any problem with stability?

Well, you'll have to upgrade some packages first (mainly those
related to kernel modules). If the box is not critical (i.e.,
if it is just a desktop), then upgrading to woody would be
better.

> Also, I'm trying to install a DVD player. What is the best linux
> player with debian?

Does it have to come with Debian? If yes, then the best one is
xine, which comes with woody and can have DeCSS, DVD
navigation and deinterlacing.

If, on the other hand, you don't care that much if your player
comes with Debian, I'd recommend you to grab a copy of mplayer
(http://mplayer.sf.net/). It works very well with all the
above and the deinterlacing of DVDs is the best one that I
have ever seen in a Linux box.

To be honest, mplayer with all the add-ons compiled
(libdvdread2, liblame0, libdvdcss1 etc) is much better than
the Windows DVD player from Cyberlink that came with my Asus
Motherboard, even regarding the deinterlacing of movies.

The only "problem" with mplayer is that you'll have to compile
it yourself, but since it has a debian directory, compiling is
as easy as "dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc -rfakeroot" (be sure to
install the build dependencies and anything else you would
like installed, like development packages).

I guess that you won't be able to compile it with potato,
though.

You will also need quite a bit of cpu power to watch your DVDs
deinterlaced. And a relatively recent version of X, with
support for the xv extension for your card.


Hope this helps, Roger...

P.S.: Another problem with mplayer is that it is not exactly free,
since it includes non-GPL'ed parts.
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Re: The quest for rodent power

[Harry Putnam]

Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:29:20PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> ...
>
> Just to make this one stick out amidst all advice given sofar!
>
>> Be sure that /etc/init.d contains gpm.  Check the script that it hasn't
>> been disabled, eg. an exit 0 thrown in to stop the script.
>
> Indeed check that /etc/init.d/gpm is sane.
>
> Do I remeber correctly that without gpm and X config pointing to
> /dev/psaux you had a working mouse in X?
>

Yes, both configs the ones that work for X and the ones that don't
have been posted in the last 2 hours or so.  Maybe  a little longer by
now.

One further point here:

Concerning the validity of the hardware itself.  Where this debian
install now resides, there was a redhat 7.1 basic system (no X)
installed.

Using all the same hardware, that system came up with a working mouse
as soon as the install was complete.  This is not to compare OS's or
say who's better or any of that bunk.  But it should indicate the
hardware isn't at fault here. 

Re: problem with modem connection

[Oki DZ]

Ulf Martin wrote:

Although there is more to do to set up Debian,


You might find that you'd set up the system once in your lifetime; so 
the hassles worth knowing your system deeper.


BTW, for the second, third, and so forth installs, you'd always have "cp 
-avf" handy... :-) So basically, there would be no hassle at all.



it feels better than the more "commercial" distribs.


Yes; once you have passed that initial "X server" stage.
And apt-get is a much better package installer compared to others; it 
loads you the needed libraries instead of giving out the name of the 
library files to load (in which in the end you might wondering where to 
find that particular library files).


...

Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: send (ATDT019389687^M)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Serial connection established.
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Using interface ppp0
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests 
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Connection terminated.

Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0


What modules have you loaded? You have to have:
ppp_async   6080   0
ppp_generic17864   0  [ppp_deflate bsd_comp ppp_async]
slhc

slhc should be loaded first; well, try to get them all loaded.


Additionaly Tom Cook suggests to add ATL0 to the chat script.
How do I actually pass multiple AT commands to the init line:
Like this:

ATM0 ATL0

or like this

ATM0;ATL0


ATMOLO should work.

Oki

attached: error output for X

[xucaen]

I've attached a file conatining the output I am getting from startx.
I don't understand it. Can anyone help?

xucaen



XFree86 Version 3.3.6a / X Window System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6300)
Release Date: xx November 2000
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is newer
than the above date, look for a newer version before reporting
problems.  (see http://www.XFree86.Org/FAQ)
Operating System: Linux 2.4.13 i686 [ELF] 
Configured drivers:
  S3V: accelerated server for S3 graphics adaptors (Patchlevel 0)
  s3_ViRGE
(using VT number 7)

XF86Config: /etc/X11/XF86Config
(**) stands for supplied, (--) stands for probed/default values
(--) no ModulePath specified using default: /usr/X11R6/lib/modules
dbe: Unknown error loading module

Config Error: /etc/X11/XF86Config:48

SubSection  "extmod"
^^^
Module section keyword expected

Fatal server error:
Child error writing to pipe (Broken pipe)


When reporting a problem related to a server crash, please send
the full server output, not just the last messages

X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).

Re: The quest for rodent power

[Harry Putnam]

Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw
>
> The -D should be very helpful here; it should keep gpm running in the
> foreground and log messages to stderr. Leave that going on a console to
> see what's going wrong. If gpm just won't start at all, that's a
> problem.

That gives me some almost laughable output:

root # /usr/sbin/gpm -D -m /dev/psaux -t ps2 -Rraw
Alarm clock

But still not running:
root # ps waxu|grep gpm
   

Also to clear the record here.  Some are suggesting
/etc/init.d/gpm is not present or other such basic things.

I think the fact that this command has any output at all indicates
that all is well in that quarter:

root # /etc/init.d/gpm force-reload
Stopping mouse interface server: gpm.
Starting mouse interface server: gpm.

Its just that nothing actually happens.

Re: Problem with ATI Rage 128 Pro TF

[Anthony and Mary Ann Tantillo]

Although this is late, I found the following website was extremely
useful in setting up my ATI Xpert 2000 card (AGP).  This card uses an
ATI Rage 128 chip set

http://two.ucdavis.edu/~holland/unix/xpert2000.html

Although I am not a graphics card expert (no pun intended), it appears
that the XF86 configuration programs have trouble identifying the ATI 
Rage 128 chip set in all its permutations.


These other websites might also be useful.

http://www.linuxnewbie.org/nhf/intel/hardware/ati_rage128.html
http://www.yk.rim.or.jp/~ishikawa/how-to-change-X.html

The last site has a section on using the ATI Rage Pro 128 which
according to the website different than the "normal" ATI Rage 128
boards.  

Good luck!!

Tony


On Wed, Feb 27, 2002 at 08:16:48PM -0500, Bob Underwood wrote:
> On Wednesday 27 February 2002 07:42, Bill Triplett wrote:
> > am not an expert, but barring the lack of any other useful advice to
> > your question, it looks to me like the Rage 128 Pro TF chipset (from
> > lspci) is not listed in the supported chipsets in the logfile. Check the
> > XFree86 website and see if the TF chipset is supported in 4.1.0 or
> > 4.2.0.
> 
> I'm barely functional on this situation, but this chipset IS supported in 
> 4.1.0.  I have it running on two boxes here.
> 
> bob
> 
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Re: x-forwarding with ssh

[Vineet Kumar]

* steve downes ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020305 01:10]:

> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.

that looks good.

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm   
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vncviewer
> Error: Can't open display: 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ 

That looks bad. the DISPLAY variable should automatically get set to
something like remote:10.0 . ssh doesn't do this if the DISPLAY variable
wasn't already set on the local side before ssh was called. What that
means is this, pretty much:

local$ export DISPLAY=:0
local$ ssh -X remote
remote$ xterm &
(that should work)

local$ unset DISPLAY
local$ ssh -X remote
remote$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
(doesn't work)

one (big) clue that you have that the DISPLAY variable isn't being set
up is that it says "Can't open display: " instead of "Can't open
display: remote:10.0". You can also verify this with echo $DISPLAY. The
reason ssh doesn't set up the remote display if the local display is
unset is because it simply doesn't know where to tunnel it to! It's
the same as trying to run an xterm locally with DISPLAY unset; it just
doesn't know where to display it. Similarly, ssh doesn't know where the
near side of the tunnel opens up if DISPLAY isn't set on the local side
already in ssh's environment when it's run.

Also, please, please, PLEASE! DON'T do this:

local$ ssh remote
remote$ export DISPLAY=local:0 # DON'T EVER DO THIS!!!
remote$ xterm

As others have already explained. You might as well be using telnet.
This defeats the entire purpose of tunneling. What you'd be doing in
this case is telling the remote x client to connect directly to the
local x server using the unencrypted X protocol. If the local X server
even accepts it (woody and sid have been told not to, by default) all
the traffic sent over that connection is in the clear -- might as well
just be telnet.

good times,
Vineet

P.S. People, please remember to trim your quotations to the relevant
pieces you're replying to! Especially in long threads like this one.

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Re: The future of Debian install??

[user list]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 04:46:23PM -0800, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> On 05-Mar-2002 Michael Marziani wrote:
> > I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but
> > every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card,
> > graphics card, etc just to save me the trouble of looking them up.  Not
> > to mention that xfree86setup is a pain.  Is auto-detecting a PS/2 mouse
> > really that hard?  Anyway...  Just curious if anyone has the low down.
> > Thanks!
> > 
> 
> While I was at VA one of the motherboards we tested would lock solid if the RH
> ps/2 test was performed and no mouse was actually attached.  The problem with
> PC hardware is usually it works, but there are just enough weird models out
> there to break things that it makes it much more difficult than it should be.
> 
I have always thought that one of the strengths of debian was its relatively 
low-level install. What you loose in convenience, you gain in control.

Art Edwards
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Re: More on RealPlayer and galeon

[Bill Wohler]

Ionut Georgescu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:18:36PM -0500, stan wrote:
>  
> > Hmm, something is still not rigt here.
> > 
> > I copied that file over, and now about->plugins shows that tyep:

  In this case you don't need the plug-in at all ;-). Just add a handler
  for audio/x-pn-realaudio and point it to the realplayer program. In
  the end, you should have something like the following in
  ~/.galeon/mimeTypes.xml:



> Did you copy the .class file to ? If I remember well there is also a
> class file in the equation.

  I had a class file for Shockwave, but not for Real Player.

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Re: fork: Resource temporarily unavailable

[Petro]

On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 04:31:54PM -0600, Pete Harlan wrote:
> > I leave gnomeicu running all the time and my process table get filled
> > with defunct gnomeicu processes. I have to stop/restart gnomeicu to get
> > rid of them.
> 
> I've had this "fork: ..." message happen when I had only around 300
> processes running.  /proc/sys/kernel/threads-max is the only relevant
> knob I've found, and it is set at 4095.
> Similarly, we could be out of file descriptors, but
> /proc/sys/fs/file-max (which presumably caps the number of open
> files?) is set at 8192; I'm sure the 300 processes didn't each have
> 25+ files open.
> Does anyone know how to increase the number of allowed processes?

Do a ulimit -Su. 

Then read and exit /etc/security/limits.conf

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Re: Ugly Fonts

[Simon Hepburn]

On Tuesday 05 Mar 2002 9:41 pm, Ron Johnson wrote:
>
> Wouldn't he have to restart xfs (and xfstt)?

No, he has reconfigured X to use the X font server instead of displaying tt 
fonts directly with the xtt or freetype backend. He would only have to 
restart the font server if he changed the font servers config. At least I 
think that is what he has decided to do. It's a bit confusingbut so is X 
sometimes :-)

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XFree86 4.1.x ATI Radeon support?

[Shyamal Prasad]

Hi,

I am looking for a video card for the new Linux only computer. I
noticed that /usr/doc/xserver-xfree86/README.ati on my current Woody
installations (xserver-xfree86 4.1.0-14) says

--> The newer Rage 128 and Radeon chips are not yet supported by
--> this driver.  Rage 128's and Radeon's are, however, supported
--> by separate drivers, and own- ers of such adapters should
--> consult the documentation provided with these drivers.  This
--> driver will also invoke the appropriate driver if it finds
--> Rage 128 and/or Radeon adapter(s) in the system."


But the status document in the same directory states:

--> 4.1.0: Accelerated support is provided for Mach64, Rage, Rage
--> 128 and Radeon chips.  Unaccelerated support is provided for
--> all of the others except the Mach8 and some early Mach32 chips
--> by the "ati" driver.

So, can I get myself a Radeon card? 

Cheers!
Shyamal

Re: a grep question

[Vineet Kumar]

* Craig Dickson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020305 16:13]:
> When searching only a single directory, without its subdirectories, you
> probably don't really need find; it would do as well in most cases just
> to redirect grep's stderr to /dev/null, like this:
> 
>grep "pattern to seach for" files 2>/dev/null
> 
> (assuming you are using a reasonable shell, i.e. not csh, which as I
> recall cannot redirect stderr). This gets rid of grep's silly complaints
> about "x is a directory" for every subdirectory.
> 
this works, too, to skip the garbage printed by trying to read
directories:

grep -d skip "pattern" files

the -d skip (or -dskip) tells grep to skip over the directories instead
of trying to read them.

good times,
Vineet

-- 
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Please see http://www.doorstop.net/resume/


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Re: problem with modem connection

[Ulf Martin]

Hi Debianicans.

Thanx to all!

It still doesn't work,
but the message is a different one now.
See the very end of this mail.

> > Finally I made it to this distribution.
> 
> Great.
> 
Although there is more to do to set up Debian,
it feels better than the more "commercial" distribs.
> 
> Use "ATM0" as your modem init string.
> 
Works - modem is quiet now.

> > Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]:  4 V42bis^M
> > Mar  5 21:22:17 umobile chat[458]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] %}"}&} } } }
>
> It seems that your ISP uses PAP.

How ever anyone can tell this from that line ;-)

Here is what came out of "/var/log/messages" now,
using PAP (Besides: The whole thing works well under Win 2K):


Mar  6 01:44:51 umobile pppd[4409]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (VOICE)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: abort on (DELAYED)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: send (ATM0^M)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: expect (OK)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: ATM0^M^M
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: OK
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]:  -- got it 
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile chat[4410]: send (ATDT019389687^M)
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Serial connection established.
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Using interface ppp0
Mar  6 01:44:53 umobile pppd[4409]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests 
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Connection terminated.
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Receive serial link is not 8-bit clean:
Mar  6 01:45:24 umobile pppd[4409]: Problem: all had bit 7 set to 0
Mar  6 01:45:25 umobile pppd[4409]: Exit.


Additionaly Tom Cook suggests to add ATL0 to the chat script.
How do I actually pass multiple AT commands to the init line:
Like this:

ATM0 ATL0

or like this

ATM0;ATL0

?
(I still have no clue what's going on,
I'm certainly not a power user ...)

Bye. (:-)
Ulf Martin
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Re: x-forwarding with ssh

[Andrew Perrin]

On Wed, 6 Mar 2002, Tom Cook wrote:

> My 2 bits worth of experience:

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 

This shouldn't be happening; my results:

nujoma:~> ssh -v -X geingob
SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol version 1.5.
...
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
debug: Received X11 open request.
debug: channel 0: new [X11 connection from 152.2.242.190 port 2160]
debug: channel 0: OUTPUT_OPEN -> OUTPUT_WAIT_DRAIN [rvcd IEOF]

(and the xterm opens)

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export DISPLAY=jmelhuish:0.0

This really shouldn't be happening; you're telling the remote host to send
packets directly, NOT through the ssh tunnel. (I'm assuming jmelhuish is
the local machine and pinky the remote one.)

> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
> debug: Received X11 open request.
> debug: channel 0: new [X11 connection from pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au
> port 32981]
> debug: channel 0: OUTPUT_OPEN -> OUTPUT_WAIT_DRAIN [rvcd IEOF]
> debug: channel 0: OUTPUT_WAIT_DRAIN -> OUTPUT_CLOSED [obuf empty, send
> OCLOSE]
> debug: channel 0: shutdown_write

...but then I really don't understand why this is happening; why are you
getting debug information from the ssh session when you've told it to
ignore ssh and send packets directly through?  Here's what I get in the
same situation:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export DISPLAY=nujoma:0.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
Xlib: connection to "nujoma:0.0" refused by server
Xlib: Client is not authorized to connect to Server
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: nujoma:0.0

Can you, or anyone on the list, explain why your posted situation
works? I'm very puzzled.

> ie. it worked once I exported DISPLAY.

It does look like the OP's problem is that DISPLAY isn't being set, but it
shouldn't be -- and shouldn't even work when -- set to local:0.0.  It
should be set to remote:x.0, where x is a number > 0 assigned by the
remote host. Mine, for example, gets set to:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ echo $DISPLAY
hm269-26876:11.0

automatically, where hm269-26876 is the remote machine.

ap

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Re: How do I turn off the Virtual Desktop?

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on , March 4, O Polite did write:

> > 
> > a. keep hitting "alt +" until it is no longer virtual
> > 
> 
> I never got this trick to work. Is this behaviour  controlled from
> XF86Config-4? I can't see anything in there that indicates that. I'm
> using KDE. Might standard KDE key settings be hiding this behaviour?

The quoted text above is incorrect; try ctrl-alt-plus and
ctrl-alt-minus, and you have to use the plus and minus keys on the
numeric keypad.  The ones on the top row of the keyboard won't do
anything (well, they get passed on to whichever application has keyboard
focus; whatever happens then is up to the app).

Richard

Re: Getting lm-sensors to detect fan speed, etc

[Simon Hepburn]

On Tuesday 05 Mar 2002 2:54 am, csj wrote:

> #cut here
> # I2C adapter drivers
> # modprobe unknown adapter bt848 #0 using Bit-shift algorithm
> # modprobe unknown adapter bt848 #0 using Bit-shift algorithm
> i2c-viapro
> # I2C chip drivers
> eeprom
> lm80
> lm75
> #cut here

This looks OK, I think the stuff responsible for your hardware monitoring are 
the i2c-viapro adapter,the lm80 chip and the lm75 chip. Did you have any 
problems  building the modules ?

It's been a while since I built this stuff as modules, I prefer to use the 
mkpatch scripts that come with i2c-sources and lm-sensors-sources, patch my 
kernel sources and then compile in support for the bits I need, so don't take 
the following as gospel. IIRC what I did when building as modules was 
something like this

1) I apt-get'ed lm-sensors-source, i2c-source, lm-sensors, 
kernel-source-2.4.XX. I unpacked everything into these dirs:
/usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.XX
/usr/src/modules/i2c
/usr/src/modules/lm-sensors
I symlinked /usr/src/linux to /usr/src/kernel-source-2.4.XX

2) Built and installed my kernel the debian way (kernel-package)
#cd /usr/src/linux
#make menuconfig
I did *not* select any of the i2c stuff in the kernel
#make-kpkg --revision=hostname.01 kernel_image
#make-kpkg modules_image
#cd /usr/src
#dpkg -i kernel-image-2.4.XX_hostname.01_i386.deb
#dpkg -i i2c-2.4.XX_2.62-1+hostname.01_i386.deb
#dpkg -i lm-sensors-2.4.XX_2.62-1+hostname.01_i386.deb
cd /usr/src/linux
#make-kpkg  clean modules_clean

3)Re-booted and ran sensors-detect.
In your case I would have added this to /etc/modules

# I2C adapter drivers
i2c-viapro

# I2C chip drivers
lm80
lm75

4)Re-boot. Run sensors - you should get reasonable ouput. All that should 
remain is some minor tinkering with /etc/sensors.conf.

How does this compare to what you did ?

-- 

Simon Hepburn.

Re: Problems printing postscipt with magicfilter

[Jeff]

Wolfgang Hlawatsch, 2002-Mar-05 21:49 +0100:
> I am fairly new to Linux, and I am just about to install my printserver
> with Debian (Potato).
> 
> The printer refuses to print a postscript file by use of lpr. I used
> "magicfilterconfig --force" several times, but I receive no printout. I
> looked at the printcap-file, and compared with different information I
> found in the net, but as I can judge it seems o.k.
> 
> I can print a file using:
> gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=necp6 -sOutputFile=\|lpr
> (filename)
> it works perfectly.
> 
> That tells me that lpd is running, isn't it? But using:
> 
> lpr (filename) I receive no output from the printer.
> 
> I can watch for a short time, using lpq that the printjob is in the
> print-queue. Not any reaction of the printer is the result. When I
> remove the command: sh  in the printcap I receive a trailing page. So,
> my conclusion is, the problem is in the magicfilter-file. But what can
> be the problem?
> 
> I tried different parameters the first two lines in "necp6-filter", and
> it did not solve the problem.
> 
> I was reading among others that the printcap-file must be activated as
> an executable. How can I test, or perform, this? Or is it a permission
> problem? How to test this?
> 
> thanks in advance for your help.
> 
> Wolfgang

Check to make sure /etc/printcap is the magicfilterconfig
printcap.  The magicfilterconfig process puts the resultant
printcap file in /var/tmp and you need to copy it over.

jc


-- 
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Diggin' Debian  Admin and User

Re: SoundBlaster Live!, /dev/audio, and bad sound quality

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Sunday, March 3, Rick Macdonald did write:

> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Richard Cobbe wrote:
> 
> > Greetings, all.
> > 
> > New sound card (actually, new computer).  It's a SoundBlaster Live!, so
> > I've compiled in support for the emu10k1 module.
> > 
> > Up-to-date potato, kernel 2.2.20, SMP.
> > 
> > In general, everything works fine, except that sending .au files to
> > /dev/audio has really lousy sound quality.  You can hear the sound, but
> > there's a loud hissing or static sound on top of it.



> I wonder if it's meant to work. "cat english.au > /dev/audio" on my system
> also sounds horrible, but the same file sounds fine when played with
> xanim, esdplay or "play". I actually don't know where "play" came from.
> "bplay", from the bplay package, sounds horrible just like cat does.

You're apparently right -- play works quite nicely on the same file.

I'd be interested in learning the differences between play and catting
to /dev/audio, but I'm not going to worry about it too much.  I have a
quick way of playing .au files, and that's really all I'm after.

> I think cat'ing the file _used_ to sound OK on the old sound card (SB16)
> that I had before the the SBLive.

Yeah, the same file sounded good on the sound hardware in the previous
machine.  I'm a little unclear on details, but I think it was a cheap
SB16 knockoff.  (Exact modules info elsewhere in the thread.)

Thanks for the advice,

Richard

Re: SoundBlaster Live!, /dev/audio, and bad sound quality

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Monday, March 4, dave mallery did write:

> On Sun, 3 Mar 2002, Richard Cobbe wrote:
> 
> > Greetings, all.
> > 
> > New sound card (actually, new computer).  It's a SoundBlaster Live!, so
> > I've compiled in support for the emu10k1 module.
> > 
> > Up-to-date potato, kernel 2.2.20, SMP.
> > 
> > In general, everything works fine, except that sending .au files to
> > /dev/audio has really lousy sound quality.  You can hear the sound, but
> > there's a loud hissing or static sound on top of it.  I had this
> > behavior both with emu10k1 v0.7 included with the 2.2.20 source, and
> > emu10k1 v0.18 that I just downloaded from SourceForge.  I tried playing
> > with various mixer settings, but that didn't help.  The only way I could
> > get rid of the hissing was by turning the volume all the way down.
> 
> did you mute all the other inputs on the mixer?

Just tried it.  No luck.

As I remarked elsewhere in the thread, though, play(1) from the sox
package works quite nicely.

Richard

Re: SoundBlaster Live!, /dev/audio, and bad sound quality

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Monday, March 4, Dave Sherohman did write:

> On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 01:22:38PM -0600, Richard Cobbe wrote:
> > In general, everything works fine, except that sending .au files to
> > /dev/audio has really lousy sound quality.  You can hear the sound, but
> > there's a loud hissing or static sound on top of it.
> 
> I'd guess it's either that the .au is 8-bit and /dev/audio is
> expecting 16-bit data or the .au contains signed data and /dev/audio
> is expecting unsigned (or vice-versa).

Possible, but I'd be surprised.  The same sound file worked just fine on
my old computer.  Don't remember exactly what kind of sound hardware,
but the following are the relevant module configuration lines:

alias sound opl3sa2
#pre-install sound /sbin/insmod sound dmabuf=1
alias midi opl3
options opl3 io=0x388
options opl3sa2 mss_io=0x530 irq=5 dma=0 dma2=1 mpu_io=0x388 io=0x370
alias synth0 off

Out of curiosity, is there any way to convert between 8- and 16-bit .au,
or between signed and unsigned?  A cursory glance at the sox manpage
doesn't seem to indicate that these operations are supported.

In any case, using play (from sox) to play the .au file works just fine.

Richard

Re: a grep question [and now an ftp perm ?]

[Oki DZ]

justin cunningham wrote:
...

I've been reading a linux security book and I believe I recall it saying
I'd need to specify an 'unmask' (not sure the spelling here) and
subtract bits from 777 to lock down the user's access but that books at
home :(


There are many ways of doing things in Linux (as is in Unix). So, expect 
many answers; some would work, some wouldn't, and some would work but 
yet you don't like it. The nice thing is that once you get something 
that works (and you like it), you might go like "mmm... what a revelation."


Oki

Re: The future of Debian install??

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

On 05-Mar-2002 Michael Marziani wrote:
> I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but
> every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card,
> graphics card, etc just to save me the trouble of looking them up.  Not
> to mention that xfree86setup is a pain.  Is auto-detecting a PS/2 mouse
> really that hard?  Anyway...  Just curious if anyone has the low down.
> Thanks!
> 

While I was at VA one of the motherboards we tested would lock solid if the RH
ps/2 test was performed and no mouse was actually attached.  The problem with
PC hardware is usually it works, but there are just enough weird models out
there to break things that it makes it much more difficult than it should be.

Re: The quest for rodent power

[Kevin C. Smith]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 11:02:17PM +0100, Carel Fellinger wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:29:20PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> ...
> 
> Just to make this one stick out amidst all advice given sofar!
> 
> > Be sure that /etc/init.d contains gpm.  Check the script that it hasn't
> > been disabled, eg. an exit 0 thrown in to stop the script.
> 
> Indeed check that /etc/init.d/gpm is sane.
> 
> Do I remeber correctly that without gpm and X config pointing to
> /dev/psaux you had a working mouse in X?

You should have.

-- 
Kevin C. Smith   | "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a
[EMAIL PROTECTED]  | little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor
Debian GNU/Linux | safety." -- Benjamin Franklin, 1759.

Re: The future of Debian install??

[Oki DZ]

Michael Marziani wrote:

I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but
every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card,
graphics card, etc just to save me the trouble of looking them up.  Not
to mention that xfree86setup is a pain. 


Try to ask RedHat users: "What do you know about X server?"

Oki

Re: Star Office Installation

[Bob Thibodeau]

What's the output of ls -l /usr/local/soffice ?

Bob

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 05:26:07PM -0500, Bannerman, Israel wrote:
>  
> To all:
> 
> I just downloaded Star Office and I am trying to install the application.
> 
> Before downloading the file I did:
> 
> mkdir -m 0755 /usr/local/soffice
> chown me /usr/local/soffice
> 
> I then downloaded the application to the /usr/local/soffice directory.
> 
> I then did:
> chmod 0755 so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en-bin
> chown me so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en-bin
> 
> Afterwards I tried running the ./so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin but it came back
> saying
> 
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-000.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-001.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-002.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-003.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-004.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-005.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-006.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-007.bin
> file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-008.bin
> 
> error: One or more files are missing!  Please ensure that all necessary
> files are present.
> 
> 
> 
> So I went back and downloaded each individual file.
> The installation is still not working and I am still getting the same
> message.
> 
> 
> 
> Please help.  I am new to Linux/Debian and am in much need for help.
> 
> Thanks alot!
> -Israel
> 
> 
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ALSA modules not loading

[Richard Weil]

Yet another ALSA question ...

Problems are with a maestro-2 (es1968) soundcard
running on 2.4.18-ac3, ALSA compiled from source on an
up-to-date Woody system.[Same problems occurred with
other kernels, but I never fixed them.]

In a nutshell, the ALSA modules won't load
automatically.  If I use "insmod" I can insert the
relevant sound modules one-by-one and ALSA works. If I
use "modprobe" I can get all of the sound modules to
load _except_ for "snd-card-es1968". I get the
following error:

lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: invalid
parameter parm_snd_dac_frame_size

/lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: insmod

/lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o failed

/lib/modules/2.4.18-ac3/alsa/snd-card-es1968.o: insmod
snd-card-es1968 failed

I think this error is probably whats stopping the
modules from loading automatically when I start a
player, like alsaplayer. I've checked in
/etc/modules.conf and everything looks fine. The
parameter mentioned as being invalid is fine per the
ALSA docs. I also tried it with a few different values
and still no dice.

Any ideas? Why would insmod work but not modprobe?

Thanks.

Richard

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Re: Problems printing postscipt with magicfilter

[Michel Loos]

Em Ter, 2002-03-05 às 17:49, Wolfgang Hlawatsch escreveu:
> I am fairly new to Linux, and I am just about to install my printserver
> with Debian (Potato).
> 
> The printer refuses to print a postscript file by use of lpr. I used
> "magicfilterconfig --force" several times, but I receive no printout. I
> looked at the printcap-file, and compared with different information I
> found in the net, but as I can judge it seems o.k.
> 
> I can print a file using:
> gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=necp6 -sOutputFile=\|lpr
> (filename)
> it works perfectly.
> 
> That tells me that lpd is running, isn't it? But using:
> 
> lpr (filename) I receive no output from the printer.
> 
> I can watch for a short time, using lpq that the printjob is in the
> print-queue. Not any reaction of the printer is the result. When I
> remove the command: sh  in the printcap I receive a trailing page. So,
> my conclusion is, the problem is in the magicfilter-file. But what can
> be the problem?
> 
> I tried different parameters the first two lines in "necp6-filter", and
> it did not solve the problem.
> 
> I was reading among others that the printcap-file must be activated as
> an executable. How can I test, or perform, this? Or is it a permission
> problem? How to test this?

1st: are you able to print a normal text file  ?
for ex: lpr /etc/printcap

If its only the postscript files that give you problems
then the postscript entry in the necp6 uses the syntax "@necp6.upp" (at
least mine does) which supposes a newer ghostscript ?>6.5

If this is not the case modify your filter in order to use the old
-sDEVICE=necp6 syntax

 filter gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=necp6
-sOutputFile=- - -c quit

Michel.

RE: Kernel panic on install, Dell Poweredge 350

[Michael Marziani]

This happened on a fresh CDROM install of a brand new server with no OS
installed.  Potato 2.2r5.

I fixed it by booting up with a win98 boot disk with CDROM support, and
then running D:\install\boot.bat from the CDROM.  That worked perfectly.
I'm not really sure what the original CD install was trying to mount,
but can't you figure it out from those numbers?  Isn't it hex or
something?  I think I saw something like that searching google.

-Mike


-Original Message-
From: Corey Halpin [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 4:52 PM
To: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: Kernel panic on install, Dell Poweredge 350 


> The last message I get is:  "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root 
> fs on 01:00"

  that's a pretty common error if you've borked your kernel install.
  It means that either you don't have drivers for your hard disk built
in the kernel, or that you don't have drivers for your filesystem built
into the kernel.
  Drivers for hard drive, and root fs _must_ be in the kernel, as it's
kind of hard to load them from an unmounted partition that you don't
know how to talk to.

crh
-- 
Corey R. Halpin (http://www.cae.wisc.edu/~halpin/ )
Student of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences University of
Wisconsin - Madison



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Re: a grep question

[Tom Cook]

Michael Jinks wrote:
[snip]
> find /path/to/cgi-bin -type f -exec grep '10.0.0.1' {} \;

If I were doing it this way I would use:

find /path/to/cgi-bin -type f -exec grep -H '10.0.0.1' {} \;

or

find /path/to/cgi-bin -type f -exec grep '10.0.0.1' {} \; -print

so you know which files the matches are found in.

Or you can use

cd /path/to/cgi-bin
rgrep -r '10.0.0.1' *

rgrep is in the grep package (in potato, at least).

Regards
Tom

Re: problem with modem connection

[Oki DZ]

Ulf Martin wrote:

Hi Debians!

Finally I made it to this distribution.


Great.


Now I have a problem connection to the net via modem
under Debian: 
The device itself seems to work

(it's actually making a hell of a noise --
how can I stop this), 


Use "ATM0" as your modem init string.


but it does not hold the connection.


...

Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: Lucent Modem Interface driver version 6.00
(2001-01-26) with SHARE_IRQ enabled
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: ttyLT00 at 0xe800 (irq = 10) is a Lucent Modem
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (VOICE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (DELAYED)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: send (ATZ^M)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: expect (OK)
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: ATZ^M^M
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: OK
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: send (ATDT019389687^M)

Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: ^M
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: ATDT019389687^M^M
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: CONNECT
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: send (^M)

Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: expect (ogin:.)

 ^
Your chat script still expects login/password pair; are you sure that 
you have used PAP as login protocol? (Make sure that your ISP uses PAP too.)



Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]:  4 V42bis^M
Mar  5 21:22:17 umobile chat[458]: [EMAIL PROTECTED] %}"}&} } } }

  
It seems that your ISP uses PAP.

Oki

Re: Email Clients

[Shyamal Prasad]

"dman" == dsh8290   writes:

dman> On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 12:57:25PM -0500, Bannerman, Israel
dman> wrote: 

Israel> To all: Are there any linux email clients that will work
Israel> with an Exchange system?  (supporting Mapi) I read
Israel> something about Insight but figured I would get a second
Israel> opinion.

dman> I heard that some people, fed up with exchange's brokeness
dman> wrt POP/IMAP, reverse engineered the exchange protocol and
dman> patched fetchmail to work with it.  You can look into that.
dman> Alternatively try enabling POP/IMAP on the exchange server
dman> and see if it behaves itself.

If all we are talking about is POP/IMAP there are a bunch of clients
that work with Exchange. I use XEmacs/GNUS everyday, and my officemate
uses Netscape 4.77.

You can even look at every non public folder in your mailbox. Even
your calendar, but (ofcourse) M$ will not export useful stuff like
your appointment time and date and so on over the IMAP interface, just
the header from the invitation message..I guess that is what the
MAPI thing is for, huh?

/Shyamal

Re: problem with modem connection

[Tom Cook]

Ulf Martin wrote:
> 
> Hi Debians!
> 
> Finally I made it to this distribution.
> 
> Now I have a problem connection to the net via modem
> under Debian:
> The device itself seems to work
> (it's actually making a hell of a noise --
> how can I stop this),
> but it does not hold the connection.
> I am using a Lucent Winmodem on a Dell Laptop.
> I tried it with "pon".
> I checked almost every doc that's out on the net.
> (Especially Jacques Goldberg's "Linmodem Post-Install Problems"
> and the "Linmodem HOWTO" by Sean Walbran and Marvin Stodolsky.)
> 
> Below are the relevant /var/log/messages
> 
> I'd apprechiate any ideas.

I don't know the cause of your 'main' problem, but the AT command to
shut your modem up is ATL0 - add it to the ATZ in your chat script.

As for the NO CARRIER message after a login, I'm not sure - are you
certain it's a PPP server you're connecting to?

Tom

Re: a grep question

[Kurt Lieber]

On Tuesday 05 March 2002 03:52 pm, justin cunningham wrote:
> I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.

cd to the root directory and type:

grep -r 'your grep search term here' ./*

the '-r' flag tells grep to search directories recursively.

--kurt

Re: suggestion[data in .sig file]

[Wendell Cochran]

Tue, 5 Mar 2002 11:36:15 -0600
will trillich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> :
 
>>On Sun, Mar 03, 2002 at 10:31:00AM -0800, Wendell Cochran wrote:
>> A calculated concentration of essential information is surely a useful
>> exercise for any novice.  Then in time of trouble he (or she) can
>> describe the problem -- & add something like `for system specs see my
>> .sig file.'
[snip]
>> . . .  Will someone proficient in these matters list peculiar elements
most likely to be helpful in a general case? . . .   a template, or a
practical example . . .

>by "peculiar elements" do you mean to ask which aspects of
>potato differ from such aspects of woody and sid (and, for that
>matter, slink)? 

I was thinking of your original suggestion, & wondering what one should
distill into 4 or 5 lines -- maximum information in minimum space,
intended to enable speedy response when calling for help.

Whether to stress hardware or details of Debian I can't guess from
here (in Red Hat).  A mix?

However, encapsuled specs could (1) induce logical assembly of facts,
(2) prevent error in time of panic, & (3) reduce see-sawing between
victim & rescuer.

Re: Help!!! undelete for ext3fs!!!

[Petro]

On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 06:28:30PM -0600, Cheryl Homiak wrote:
> Well, it really is too late now, as this was my root partition and I
> couldn't unmount it immediately even if I had known what to do. I had
> already looked at Midnight commander but your additions were helpful as I
> only saw the information about undeleting from the command line. The
> information wasn't life-or-death and I learned a lot in the process. As
> for backups, I'm really sorry but i can't figure out what a MO disk is.
> Unfortunately, the only facilities I have right now for doing backup of
> any kind is the old floppy, and I probably should have had this data on
> floppy. I'd love to have a backup system, and you'll get no argument from
> me against its importance, but the reality is that I don't have one right
> now.

No, it isn't. 

For "backups" that prevent against accidental erasure of a file, do
a "man rcsintro" if you are only worried about text files, and man
cvs if you have to work with binary files. 

> This incident also points out the wisdom in having your linux system
> mounted on several partitions so that in cases like this you can unmount
> the partition immediately.
> As for the trash can, it wouldn't do any good if your hard disk breaks but
> could be an asset in momentarily slips of the fingers (or the brain) such
> as I had.

Disks don't go bad nearly as often as people have thinkos. 


-- 
Share and Enjoy. 

Re: NEWBIE TIP #110 [was Re: suggestion[data in .sig file]]

[Joseph Dane]

> "Hans" == Hans Ekbrand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

 Hans> This tip is bad. It does not work. The first line makes the
 Hans> following fail (or, I think, in case of bad security on client
 Hans> succeed but by-pass the ssh-tunnel).

no, it works as expected.  if the tip had been 

 client> ssh -X server
 server> export DISPLAY=client:0.0# DON'T DO THIS!!!
 server> netscape&

then that would have been bad.  but that's not what was in the post.

-- 

joe

Re: x-forwarding with ssh

[Tom Cook]

steve downes wrote:
> 
> Tried the -v option & all seemd OK. (listed below) It seems to be
> allowing X.
> 
> However it still isn't functioning.
> 
> Sorry for the delay, I decided it might be policy to upgrade the
> server to Woody before carrying on but the only difference in this
> context is the error message now no longer says error 101
> 
> Is it something else altogether?
> 
> Steve
> 
> debug1: Applying options for *
> debug1: Seeding random number generator
> debug1: Rhosts Authentication disabled, originating port will not be trusted.
> debug1: restore_uid
> debug1: ssh_connect: getuid 1000 geteuid 0 anon 1
> debug1: Connecting to gateway [192.168.0.9] port 22.
> debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 1000/1000 (e=0)
> debug1: restore_uid
> debug1: temporarily_use_uid: 1000/1000 (e=0)
> debug1: restore_uid
> debug1: Connection established.
> debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA
> debug1: read PEM private key done: type RSA
> debug1: identity file /home/steve/.ssh/id_rsa type -1
> debug1: identity file /home/steve/.ssh/id_dsa type -1
> debug1: Remote protocol version 2.0, remote software version OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 
> Debian 1:3.0.2p1-6
> debug1: match: OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 Debian 1:3.0.2p1-6 pat ^OpenSSH
> Enabling compatibility mode for protocol 2.0
> debug1: Local version string SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.0.2p1 Debian 1:3.0.2p1-6
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT sent
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEXINIT received
> debug1: kex: server->client aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
> debug1: kex: client->server aes128-cbc hmac-md5 none
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REQUEST sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_GROUP
> debug1: dh_gen_key: priv key bits set: 121/256
> debug1: bits set: 1614/3191
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_INIT sent
> debug1: expecting SSH2_MSG_KEX_DH_GEX_REPLY
> debug1: Host 'gateway' is known and matches the RSA host key.
> debug1: Found key in /home/steve/.ssh/known_hosts:3
> debug1: bits set: 1566/3191
> debug1: ssh_rsa_verify: signature correct
> debug1: kex_derive_keys
> debug1: newkeys: mode 1
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS sent
> debug1: waiting for SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS
> debug1: newkeys: mode 0
> debug1: SSH2_MSG_NEWKEYS received
> debug1: done: ssh_kex2.
> debug1: send SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_REQUEST
> debug1: service_accept: ssh-userauth
> debug1: got SSH2_MSG_SERVICE_ACCEPT
> debug1: authentications that can continue: 
> publickey,password,keyboard-interactive
> debug1: next auth method to try is publickey
> debug1: try privkey: /home/steve/.ssh/id_rsa
> debug1: try privkey: /home/steve/.ssh/id_dsa
> debug1: next auth method to try is keyboard-interactive
> Password:
> debug1: packet_send2: adding 32 (len 20 padlen 12 extra_pad 64)
> debug1: ssh-userauth2 successful: method keyboard-interactive
> debug1: channel 0: new [client-session]
> debug1: send channel open 0
> debug1: Entering interactive session.
> debug1: ssh_session2_setup: id 0
> debug1: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
> debug1: Requesting authentication agent forwarding.
> debug1: channel request 0: shell
> debug1: channel 0: open confirm rwindow 0 rmax 16384
> Last login: Mon Mar  4 20:26:57 2002 from 
> rm.kingswayelec.co.uk.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa on pts/1
> Linux gateway 2.2.19pre17 #1 Tue Mar 13 22:37:59 EST 2001 i586 unknown
> You have mail.
> Last login: Tue Mar  5 08:32:53 2002 from 
> rm.kingswayelec.co.uk.0.168.192.in-addr.arpa
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm -v
> XFree86 4.1.0(165)
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
> xterm Xt error: Can't open display:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ vncviewer
> Error: Can't open display:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

My 2 bits worth of experience:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ssh -v -X pinky
SSH Version OpenSSH-1.2.3, protocol version 1.5.
Compiled with SSL.
debug: Reading configuration data /etc/ssh/ssh_config
debug: Applying options for *
debug: ssh_connect: getuid 1000 geteuid 0 anon 0
debug: Connecting to pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au [129.127.46.188] port 22.
debug: Allocated local port 776.
debug: Connection established.
debug: Remote protocol version 1.5, remote software version
OpenSSH-1.2.3
debug: Waiting for server public key.
debug: Received server public key (768 bits) and host key (1024 bits).
debug: Host 'pinky.its.adelaide.edu.au' is known and matches the host
key.
debug: Encryption type: 3des
debug: Sent encrypted session key.
debug: Installing crc compensation attack detector.
debug: Received encrypted confirmation.
debug: RSA authentication using agent refused.
debug: Doing password authentication.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]'s password: 
debug: Requesting pty.
debug: Requesting X11 forwarding with authentication spoofing.
debug: Requesting shell.
debug: Entering interactive session.
Last login: Wed Mar  6 10:07:50 2002 from jmelhuish.its.adelaide.edu.au
on pts/1
Linux pinky 2.4.18 #3 Fri Mar 1 09:43:07 CST 2002 i686 unknown
No mail.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
xterm Xt error: Can't open display: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ export DISPLAY=jmelhuish:0.0
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xterm
debug: Received X11 open request.
debug: channel 

Re: a grep question

[David Jardine]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:52:44PM -0800, justin cunningham wrote:
> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 
> 
> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.
> 
> Hope this is clear.  Thanks, justin
> 
> 
You don't have unmatched quotes in the grep expression, do you?
I often make this mistake myself.

David
> 
> 
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RE: a grep question [and now an ftp perm ?]

[justin cunningham]

Thanks mike, I found what I needed from info i.e. grep -r '10.x'
/path/to/be/searched

Help says try grep -ld 10.x

I tried changing syntax to grep -l-directories 10.  or
l-directories=read or 'read' and so on but got nothing.  What is correct
syntax anyways?

On a different note someone just asked me to set up a ftp account and
restrict it's access to only one site e.g. /data/www/theirsiteonly.  

I think I saw on a prior post someone said create a user for ftp and
change their shell to /bin/pftp then ln -s their home directory to the
desired ftp login i.e. /data/www/theirsite.com/htdocs.  

Another post says to not have 'x' directory browseable do chmod 0711
/directory-of-choice which looks promising but not quite what I need.

I've been reading a linux security book and I believe I recall it saying
I'd need to specify an 'unmask' (not sure the spelling here) and
subtract bits from 777 to lock down the user's access but that books at
home :(

justin



-Original Message-
From: Michael Jinks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 2:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: debian-user@lists.debian.org
Subject: Re: a grep question

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:52:44PM -0800, justin cunningham wrote:
> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?

We don't know unless you show us the precise command line you're using.
Cut'n'paste from your terminal.

> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 

You could also

$ grep '10.0.0.1' any.cgi

...you don't strictly need the cat command.

> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files
from
> the site's root directory.

One way:

find /path/to/cgi-bin -type f -exec grep '10.0.0.1' {} \;

(the {} and the \; are explained in the find manpage under the -exec
directive.  if you want to know the name of the file rather than getting
back the line itself, one way is to give grep the -l option.)

-- 
## Michael Jinks, IB ## JFI/MRSEC Computing ## University of Chicago ##
  Reader!  Think not that
  technical information
  ought not be called speech;  -- Anonymous, "How to decrypt a DVD"

Re: ALSA or XMMS problem?

[Stefan Bellon]

csj wrote:
> On Mon, 04 Mar 2002 08:45:46 +0100
> Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> >  Already have done that. Anyway: sound now works for users as well.
> >  It was just a reboot and it worked. Strange. I thought this is
> >  only necessary on Windows. ;-)

> Just caught the thread: but have you tried (1) log out, log in ; as
> root (2) /etc/init.d/alsa restart?

Yes, tried that. Didn't help. Anyway, now it works.

> The only time I really need to reboot is when a buggy module refuses
> to be unloaded.

Hm, perhaps it indeed was some module problem (perhaps the buggy kernel
sound driver still loaded ...).

Greetings,

Stefan.

-- 
 Stefan Bellon *  * 
 PGP 2 and OpenPGP keys available from my home page

 Recursive, adj.: see Recursive

Re: a grep question

[DvB]

"justin cunningham" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 
> 
> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.
> 


Ummm... how many files are in the directory? It's gonna take _much_
longer to grep through 1,000 files than to grep through just one.

My suggestion? Patience is a virtue ;-)


HTH

OT: Aliens in the heavans (was Re: seti@home)

[Gary Hennigan]

"Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, 2002-03-05 at 14:13, Gary Turner wrote:
> > I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding my
> > linbox to the mix.  So, the question is what is the appropriate
> > directory to unpack and run this little bippy?  How does the graphical
> > mode do?
> 
> Have you looked at http://www.distributed.net?  Instead of scanning
> the sky for aliens broadcasting into the heavens, it tries to brute-
> crack an RC5-64 cypher.
> 
> P.S. - If we expect _others_ to broadcast, why don't we broadcast
> in all directions around the globe, hoping that someone else hears
> us?

Hate to tell ya this but we broadcast straight out to the heavens
constantly. That's how we uplink to satellites. You realize that the
radio signals we send out to those birds aren't exactly like a laser
beam, right? Even the narrowest-beam radio-frequency broadcast, aimed
with extreme accuracy at the intended satellite, is going to "spill"
quite a bit out to space. Think about satellite TV systems. One bird
in space can cover a lot of ground on the Earth's surface. Same
prinicipal in the opposite direction.

Not only that, but there's probably a lot of omni-directional antennas
in use for surface-to-surface broadcasts as well. This means they send
as much signal straight up as they do to surface targets. I'm
simplifying it a lot (mainly because it's been so long since I studied
this stuff), but suffice it to say we "leak" a *LOT* of radio signal
out into space. It's safe to assume that any other civilizations out
there, with of the same technological means, do the same and I'm sure
that's what SETI is targeted at finding.

There are plenty of reasons to question the worth of the SETI project,
just not on the grounds that an alien civilization would have to
intentionally broadcast a signal to us for us to detect it.

Of course if you're being sarcastic then I just wasted too much time
replying, and you need to use smileys! :)

Gary

Re: Problems printing postscipt with magicfilter

[Gary Turner]

On Tue, 05 Mar 2002 21:49:40 +0100, Wolfgang Hlawatsch wrote:

>I am fairly new to Linux, and I am just about to install my printserver
>with Debian (Potato).
>
>The printer refuses to print a postscript file by use of lpr. I used
>"magicfilterconfig --force" several times, but I receive no printout. I
>looked at the printcap-file, and compared with different information I
>found in the net, but as I can judge it seems o.k.
>
>I can print a file using:
>gs -q -dSAFER -dNOPAUSE -dBATCH -sDEVICE=necp6 -sOutputFile=\|lpr
>(filename)
>it works perfectly.
>
>That tells me that lpd is running, isn't it? But using:
>
>lpr (filename) I receive no output from the printer.
>
>I can watch for a short time, using lpq that the printjob is in the
>print-queue. Not any reaction of the printer is the result. When I
>remove the command: sh  in the printcap I receive a trailing page. So,
>my conclusion is, the problem is in the magicfilter-file. But what can
>be the problem?
>
>I tried different parameters the first two lines in "necp6-filter", and
>it did not solve the problem.
>
>I was reading among others that the printcap-file must be activated as
>an executable. How can I test, or perform, this? Or is it a permission
>problem? How to test this?

I'm not going to be of direct help here.  I can only suggest that you do
as I did.  Install apsfilter.  The configurator is *very* easy to run,
and it creates a good printcap file.  It also deals with gs for you.  I
can say that printing to my old dot matrix or to my Canon bubble jet is
totally painless.  I have not run into a printable file that it can't
handle.  For example, send a LaTeX .dvi file straight to the printer w/o
converting to ps first.  I think the apsfilter/gs/lpr suite is a nice
combo that will solve your non-printing situation.
--
gt
Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash

2.4 kernels with potato and Movie players

[user list]

I'm thinking of installing a 2.4 kernel on a potato box. Is there any problem 
with stability?

Also, I'm trying to install a DVD player. What is the best linux player 
with debian?

Art Edwards

Re: really stuffed up news system!!!!!!!

[Glyn Millington]

Ian Balchin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

OK, let me just catch up here!!   You are running 

a. Leafnode?
b. slrn   on

debian stable? 
on a dial-up machine?

On the assumption that all these are answered yes (the debian verson will
not make much difference) 

A.  LEAFNODE

The _point_ of leafnode is that it acts as a nice little news server on
your machine.  Once you have used it to collect the list of newsgroups it
will then only rake in articles for groups to which you hav subscribed.
You can then read OFFLINE, post articles, answer any articles you like,
then when you dial up again the post will go out and new stuff will come
in.If you have the LDP HowTo's on you machine there is a nice HowTo
on setting up a leafsite (ie using leafnode).   So, to go back a bit,
clear out what you have in /var/lib/slrn/newsgroups.dsc - get rid of that
file.   make sure that you have set the first two parameters in
/etc/news/leafnode/config correctly. Then go on line and, as root, do 

#fetchnews - 

That will download the list of newsgroups on the newserver and put it in
the right place ie

/var/spool/news/leaf.node/groupinfo

might take 10 or 15 minutes depending on your set-up.

~~~

Now slrn!Ditch any homebrewed .jnewsrc you have.  Make sure that you
have set 

NNTPSERVER="localhost"

as I mentioned before and log out and in again to make that take effect.


Then in a terminal do 

$ slrn  -f /home/glyn/.jnewsrc --create

That will create your .jnewsrc and you should get a list of groups - you
may well get the entire list of newgroups !!  Kill of slrn (q y) and come
back again - just "slrn" will do it this time.

Now L should work - if you want all the groups listed which include the
word  "linux" do  

Land then when prompted put in*linux*

?   (or is it h?) will fire up the help screen.  

When you have subscribed to a few groups go on lin again.  Leafnode will
download the articles for the groups in which you are interested - this
may take a while - then fire up slrn and you should be in business.

The key to all this getting leafnode set up right.  If you set slrn
going in the way I've described, actually reading the news should be
straighforward ;-)  I didn't have slrn on my machine, so have just
downloaded it and set it up as I described - ten minutes from start to
finish. 


If you need more help it might be an idea to do it off list ?

Good luck

Glyn

-- 

*Note that I use Debian version testing/unstable   *
* Linux glynthebearded 2.4.17 #1 Mon Jan 14 23:14:00 GMT 2002 i686 unknown *


  

Re: seti@home

[Christopher S. Swingley]

> P.S. - If we expect _others_ to broadcast, why don't we broadcast
> in all directions around the globe, hoping that someone else hears
> us?

We've been doing that since Tesla, err... Marconi invented the radio.
-- 
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Computer Systems Manager  email: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
IARC -- Frontier Program  GPG and PGP keys at my web page:
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Re: a grep question

[Craig Dickson]

begin  justin cunningham  quotation:

> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?

Hard to be sure, since you haven't shown us the command line you're
typing in that's giving you this problem.

Is grep perhaps sitting there waiting for data on stdin because you
didn't specify any files for it to search?

> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 
> 
> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.
> 
> Hope this is clear.

Not particularly clear, no.

In general, to search through files, you can use "find" piped into
"xargs grep". There is also "find . -exec grep {} ';'", but that's less
efficient since it will spawn grep once for each file, whereas xargs is
smart enough to spawn a minimal number of greps.

If you want to search only in a certain directory, not including
its subdirectories, then something like this should do the job:

 find /dir/to/search -maxdepth 1 -type f | xargs grep "pattern to search for"

You may also want to use find's -name option to limit the search to
files whose names match a particular pattern. When you do this, always
encase the name argument in single-quotes, e.g. -name '*.html' to search
all .html files.

When searching only a single directory, without its subdirectories, you
probably don't really need find; it would do as well in most cases just
to redirect grep's stderr to /dev/null, like this:

   grep "pattern to seach for" files 2>/dev/null

(assuming you are using a reasonable shell, i.e. not csh, which as I
recall cannot redirect stderr). This gets rid of grep's silly complaints
about "x is a directory" for every subdirectory.

If you want to search subdirectories as well, then leave out the
-maxdepth 1 clause.

Hope this helps.

Craig


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Re: a grep question

[Pete Harlan]

Well since you don't show what command you actually typed, it's hard
to tell you what you did wrong.  But this might give you what you're
looking for:

find /etc -type f | xargs grep -H '10\.'

where /etc is the root of whatever tree you want, obviously, and
"-type f" tells find to only list files, not directories.

xargs runs the command you give it, using xargs's standard input to
get the list of arguments to that command.

grep's -H is so you know which file the match is from (in case there's
only one argument handed to grep).

BTW, when grep (or cat or just about any unix command) appears to
hang, try typing a Control-D character---it's probably waiting on its
standard input, which Control-D will terminate.

HTH,

--Pete



On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:52:44PM -0800, justin cunningham wrote:
> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?
> 
> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 
> 
> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.
> 
> Hope this is clear.  Thanks, justin
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Kernel panic on install, Dell Poweredge 350

[Corey Halpin]

> The last message I get is:  "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs
> on 01:00"

  that's a pretty common error if you've borked your kernel install.
  It means that either you don't have drivers for your hard disk built in the 
kernel, or that you don't have drivers for your filesystem built into the 
kernel.
  Drivers for hard drive, and root fs _must_ be in the kernel, as it's kind of 
hard to load them from an unmounted partition that you don't know how to talk 
to.

crh
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Student of Electrical Engineering and Computer Sciences
University of Wisconsin - Madison

The future of Debian install??

[Michael Marziani]

I've installed debian quite a few times and it's not a big deal, but
every once in a while I wish it would just auto-detect my network card,
graphics card, etc just to save me the trouble of looking them up.  Not
to mention that xfree86setup is a pain.  Is auto-detecting a PS/2 mouse
really that hard?  Anyway...  Just curious if anyone has the low down.
Thanks!

-Mike

_
Michael D. Marziani
Systems Administrator
Keller Williams Realty International

Re: The quest for rodent power

[Harry Putnam]

Simon Hepburn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Looks reasonable.try this from console as root:
>
> #gpm-mouse-test 
>
> Anything useful ? If not, re-run gpmconfig, when you get to mouse type, type 
> help. You should see a list of all the supported mice types including some 
> odd ps2 ones. Suck 'em and see.

I get this output:
  This program is designed to help you in detecting what type your
  mouse is. Please follow the instructions of this program. If you're
  bored before it is done, you can always press your 'Interrupt' key
  (usually Ctrl-C)
  
   *** Remember: don't run any software which reads the mouse device
   *** while making this test. This includes "gpm","selection", "X"
  
  Note that this program is by no means complete, and its main role is
  to detect how does the middle button work on serial mice
  /dev/atibm: No such device
  /dev/inportbm: No such device
  /dev/jbm: No such device
  /dev/logibm: No such device
  /dev/usbmouse: No such device
  
  Trying with 1200 baud

 The possible device nodes are:
/dev/agpgart

At that point it just hangs.  The message does say it si for testing
the middle button on serial mice.

Re: backlight off w/o suspend

[Remy Indebetouw]

Apologies for any protocol breach; I started this question on
debian-laptop, but thought there might be a few more kind people to help
on the higher-traffic list.

Original question:
> I'd like to turn off the backlight when I'm away for the day, but leave
> unsuspended so I can connect back from work via the cable modem.
>
> There was a similar question last summer and the suggestion to switch to
> CRT; something like that would be fine with me, except that the fn-f8 that
> would appear to accomplish this on my Dell I7K doesn't do anything.

A couple of people suggested having the bios do the job, but my bios power
settings seem to be ignored in linux.  This raises a question i've had for
a long time - does APM even pay attention to the bios settings, or does it
do its own thing?  I was under the impression the latter.


More original question:  thanks to two people who suggested noflushd,
which appears to have taken care of most of this (it wakes up occasionally
even when not using the machine, but not very often)
> Also, the Battery-Operated mini-HOWTO seems dated and not always
> applicable to debian (e.g. no update call in /etc/inittab), so any
> suggestions for better advice on reducing syncing and flushing intervals
> w/o a full suspend would also be appreciated.

Thank you,
-r

manually input useful .sig per 'suggestion' thread:
i'm running mostly potato with some woody

Re: home directory permissions

[Xeno Campanoli]

Xeno Campanoli wrote:
> Actually, I think you just change the permissions in the file

Sorry!  I meant in the directory /etc/skel!  Bleh!

> /etc/skel.  I'm not sure though, so let us all know if that works.
> There may be a umask thing you'll want to change too.

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Re: a grep question

[Michael Jinks]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:52:44PM -0800, justin cunningham wrote:
> Hi, I read through man on find and grep and am trying to search for an
> ip in some files contained in folders but every time I type in grep
> options it just hangs.  What am I doing wrong?

We don't know unless you show us the precise command line you're using.
Cut'n'paste from your terminal.

> Conversely i can go into /site.com/cgi-bin then cat any.cgi | grep
> 10.0.0.1 

You could also

$ grep '10.0.0.1' any.cgi

...you don't strictly need the cat command.

> and will get the desired result but instead of doing this for 'every
> file' in 'every folder' I want to search for the 10.ip in the files from
> the site's root directory.

One way:

find /path/to/cgi-bin -type f -exec grep '10.0.0.1' {} \;

(the {} and the \; are explained in the find manpage under the -exec
directive.  if you want to know the name of the file rather than getting
back the line itself, one way is to give grep the -l option.)

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Re: The quest for rodent power

[Carel Fellinger]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 12:36:36PM -0800, Harry Putnam wrote:
> Carel Fellinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
... 
> >> Mouse doesn't work in X with these settings either.
> >
> > ofcourse not, because X depends on gpm to repeat the mouse events to
> > /dev/gpmdata.  Without gpm there won't be anything to read from it:)
> 
> I'm getting really confused here.  With the most recent setup I posted
> I get no mouse in either console or X.  You say that is right since
> gpm isn't running.
> 
> But in my original setup (posted againg below), X mouse does work but
> there is no gpm running there either.  Sorry to be so dense here, but
> I think I'm still missing some fundemental aspect of this.

Okee, hoping to dispell the confusion, it's worth noting that there
are *two* distict situations, one with gpm, the other without:

1) With gpm:
   don't run gpm, no mouse on console and in /etc/X11/XF86config have:

   Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
  Driver  "mouse"
  Option  "CorePointer"
  Option  "Device""/dev/psaux"
  Option  "Protocol" "PS/2"
   EndSection

   Note the /dev/psaux here, so X is reading from the real device.
   This works for you, so the mouse and the ps/2 port and driver
   are all functioning!

2) Without gpm:
   use gpm.  Now you have the problem that Linux can't cope with two
   processes sharing /dev/psaux.  Still gpm and X need to know about
   the mouse events.  The solution out of this mess is to have gpm
   read from the real mouse device /dev/psaux, repeat all to
   /dev/gpmdata and then instruct X to read from /dev/psdata instead
   of the real device.

   In /etc/X11/XF86config you now have:

   Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier  "Configured Mouse"
  Driver  "mouse"
  Option  "CorePointer"
  Option  "Device""/dev/gpmdata"
  Option  "Protocol" "PS/2"
   EndSection

   Note the /dev/gpmdata.  Ofcourse if gpm for some reason won't
   write to /dev/gpmdata, then X can't read from it either.

   This doesn't work, though your config files are okee, so the
   gpm program itself or the daemon setup script is wrong.
   Post /etc/init.d/gpm to have it checked and try running
   /usr/sbin/gpm directly from the commandline (don't forget to add
   all needed parameters!)

> First we establish that gpm is not running:
> 
> root # /etc/init.d/gpm force-reload
> Stopping mouse interface server: gpm.
> Starting mouse interface server: gpm.
> 
> root # ps waux|grep gpm
>
> 
> Gpm isn't running

And here is your sole problem!
Concentrate on getting the gpm program to produce more log info,
start /usr/sbin/gpm from the commandline with all parameters needed.
[someone else posted a good example]


-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: what about /etc/X11/app-defaults?

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 04:12:42PM +0800, Ren Weili wrote:
> > hallo,
>   I have sent this mail yesterday,but no answer.so it's resent.
> 
> > there is a infinitive loop symlink called app-defaults, what's about
> > it?
> > 

Strange! On my system it is a normal directory which contains files specifying 
the appearance of some X applications.

Viele Grüsse, Joachim

-- 
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Lehrer für Mathematik und Physik

Herder-Gymnasium
Kattowitzer Straße 52
51065 Köln

Star Office Installation

[Bannerman, Israel]

 
To all:

I just downloaded Star Office and I am trying to install the application.

Before downloading the file I did:

mkdir -m 0755 /usr/local/soffice
chown me /usr/local/soffice

I then downloaded the application to the /usr/local/soffice directory.

I then did:
chmod 0755 so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en-bin
chown me so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en-bin

Afterwards I tried running the ./so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-en.bin but it came back
saying

file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-000.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-001.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-002.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-003.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-004.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-005.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-006.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-007.bin
file not found '/usr/local/soffice/so-5_2-ga-bin-linux-008.bin

error: One or more files are missing!  Please ensure that all necessary
files are present.



So I went back and downloaded each individual file.
The installation is still not working and I am still getting the same
message.



Please help.  I am new to Linux/Debian and am in much need for help.

Thanks alot!
-Israel

test -- ignore

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Re: X not starting properly in woody

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

On Mon, Mar 04, 2002 at 07:20:16PM -0800, Xucaen wrote:

> installed without a hitch except one: xdm didn't
> install and no longer runs when I boot and when I
> run X I get the grey background with the 'x'
> mouse pointer but nothing else. the X server just
> sits there. I am able to move the mouse pointer
> and I am able to switch between local terminals
> so I know the system didn't hang.

Do I understand correctly that you boot directly into X mode? If so, maybe xdm 
is broken. Ideas what you can check:

Does there appear a message like 'starting xdm'? (Should be the last one before 
the X screen appears)
Does the xdm binary exist? (which xdm)
Is there a link /etc/rc2.d/S99xdm (or similar) and does it point to an existing 
and executable script in /etc/init.d ?

HTH, Joachim

-- 
Joachim Fahnenmüller
Lehrer für Mathematik und Physik

Herder-Gymnasium
Kattowitzer Straße 52
51065 Köln

Re: cdrom music

[Craig Dickson]

begin  csj  quotation:

> Well, you can sort-of mount an audio CD using the cdfs (kernel) module.
> Imagine being able to rip a CD without using cdparanoia. The module
> tends to choke on bad disks however, which can have the unfortunate
> consequence of locking your cdrom drive until the next reboot.

Which brings to mind the amusing possibility of enhancing the cdfs
driver with cdparanoia's error correction capabilities, thus effectively
building cdparanoia into the kernel... :-)

Craig


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Does anyone have a Voodoo card working right with hw. acceleration????

[Francisco M. Marzoa Alonso]

Well, if I install libglide3 on my system XFree reports that it's using DRI 
with Mesa Voodoo ... as rendered but glxgears drops about 60 FPS where it 
should to drop A LOT more. If I uninstall glide then XFree reports that it's 
NOT using DRI but INDIRECT acceleration and glxgears drops about 100 FPS... 
But the 3d spectrum analizer for XMMS goes a lot more slow without dri than 
with it In Quake II I've no experiment differences with or without it... 
so...

How can I configure this f#$@@d card?! Does anyone in the list have 
one working right

I'm using Debian Woody with some unestable packages, trying it with 
libglide2, libglide3..., XFree4.1.0.1 and kernel 2.4.16-686. All these 
packages has been downloaded with apt-get from debian repositories.

re not seeing mail postings

[justin cunningham]

Hi listmaster, I sent a few posts to the deb user list today but don't
see 'any' of them.  If you get this; please reply.  Thanks, justin 

quake2 install problem

[Rudy Gevaert]

Hello,

Yesterday I tried to install quake2 via apt-get.  But when installing
the quake2-data package, I had to choose between getting the files from:
net/cd/...

I choose the net, and via ftp (because I don't need a proxy for that).

But, the install script uses wget, the location of the file is
incorrect!  Thus wget gives me errors.  And there is no way to change
the destination. 

When I try to remove the package, I am forced to download the file
first! But this doesn't work.

And when a do an apt-get update, apt-get upgrade I am also forced to
install te package!!

So how can I change the script to use an other directory or a file on my
hd (I would first download the correct files manually).

Thanks in andvance

Rudy
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Re: The quest for rodent power

[Carel Fellinger]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 01:29:20PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
...

Just to make this one stick out amidst all advice given sofar!

> Be sure that /etc/init.d contains gpm.  Check the script that it hasn't
> been disabled, eg. an exit 0 thrown in to stop the script.

Indeed check that /etc/init.d/gpm is sane.

Do I remeber correctly that without gpm and X config pointing to
/dev/psaux you had a working mouse in X?

-- 
groetjes, carel

Re: seti@home

[burningclown]

I've used TkSeti some, and it is quite nice.


On Tue, 5 Mar 2002, Gary Turner wrote:

> I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding my
> linbox to the mix.  So, the question is what is the appropriate
> directory to unpack and run this little bippy?  How does the graphical
> mode do?
> --
> gt
> Yes I fear I am living beyond my mental means--Nash
> 
> 
> 

-- 
++
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++

what up deb list

[justin cunningham]

I sent two emails and have seen zero posted to the list. justin

Re: seti@home

[Carl Fink]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 02:13:16PM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
> I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding my
> linbox to the mix.  So, the question is what is the appropriate
> directory to unpack and run this little bippy?  

I put it in ~carlf/bin

>How does the graphical mode do?

There's a graphical mode?  Never even occurred to me to use one.  I
monitor it with Tkseti.
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problem with modem connection

[Ulf Martin]

Hi Debians!

Finally I made it to this distribution.

Now I have a problem connection to the net via modem
under Debian: 
The device itself seems to work
(it's actually making a hell of a noise --
how can I stop this), 
but it does not hold the connection.
I am using a Lucent Winmodem on a Dell Laptop.
I tried it with "pon".
I checked almost every doc that's out on the net.
(Especially Jacques Goldberg's "Linmodem Post-Install Problems"
and the "Linmodem HOWTO" by Sean Walbran and Marvin Stodolsky.)

Below are the relevant /var/log/messages

I'd apprechiate any ideas.
Thank you all in advance.

Bye
Ulf Martin
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### This one is with "PAP" (same with "CHAP") ###

Mar  5 21:40:21 umobile pppd[608]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (VOICE)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: abort on (DELAYED)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: send (ATZ^M)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: expect (OK)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: ATZ^M^M
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: OK
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: send (ATDT019389687^M)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar  5 21:40:23 umobile chat[609]: ^M
Mar  5 21:40:58 umobile chat[609]: ATDT019389687^M^M
Mar  5 21:40:58 umobile chat[609]: CONNECT
Mar  5 21:40:58 umobile chat[609]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:40:58 umobile chat[609]: send (\d)
Mar  5 21:40:59 umobile pppd[608]: Serial connection established.
Mar  5 21:40:59 umobile pppd[608]: Using interface ppp0
Mar  5 21:40:59 umobile pppd[608]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/modem
Mar  5 21:41:06 umobile pppd[608]: Hangup (SIGHUP)
Mar  5 21:41:06 umobile pppd[608]: Modem hangup
Mar  5 21:41:06 umobile pppd[608]: Connection terminated.
Mar  5 21:41:07 umobile pppd[608]: Exit.


### And here is what "CHAT" says (I left the last kernel msgs too) ###

Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: PPP generic driver version 2.4.1
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile pppd[456]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: Loading Lucent Modem Controller driver version
6.00
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: Detected Parameters Irq=10 BaseAddress=0xe800
ComAddress=0xecb8
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: Lucent Modem Interface driver version 6.00
(2001-01-26) with SHARE_IRQ enabled
Mar  5 21:21:37 umobile kernel: ttyLT00 at 0xe800 (irq = 10) is a Lucent Modem
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (BUSY)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO CARRIER)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (VOICE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO DIALTONE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (NO ANSWER)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: abort on (DELAYED)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: send (ATZ^M)
Mar  5 21:21:38 umobile chat[458]: expect (OK)
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: ATZ^M^M
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: OK
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: send (ATDT019389687^M)
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: expect (CONNECT)
Mar  5 21:21:39 umobile chat[458]: ^M
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: ATDT019389687^M^M
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: CONNECT
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]:  -- got it 
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: send (^M)
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]: expect (ogin:.)
Mar  5 21:22:13 umobile chat[458]:  4 V42bis^M
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Mar  5 21:22:32 umobile chat[458]: &} } } }
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Re: OT: ping puzzler

[Vineet Kumar]

* Nigel Pauli ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020305 05:36]:
> I'd be grateful if someone can set my mind at rest on this one.
> 
> I've got a network 10.0.0.0/255.255.255.0. A DHCP server running on NT4 
> at 10.0.0.3 looks after a scope running from 10.0.0.25 to 10.0.0.225 
> with 10.0.0.200 to 10.0.0.225 excluded from the scope.
> 
> As you can see I've got plenty of leftover addresses to play with and 
> I've used all the ones 10.0.0.1 to 10.0.0.6 on various statically 
> addressed servers.
> 
> Today I was setting up a new box and thought I'd better check if 
> 10.0.0.7 was available so I pinged 10.0.0.7 and got a reply; but as far 
> as I know nothing is using that IP address. The same happens for 
> 10.0.0.8 and 10.0.0.9 but once I move into double figures (10.0.0.10) I 
> get what I expect i.e., no reply.
> 
> Is it possible that some card is replying on more than one address or 
> do I need to get out there and find who or what is stealing my 
> bandwidth?

/usr/sbin/arp might help you see what hardware addresses your kernel has
in its table for those IP addresses, which should tell you who's
responding to your pings. It should at least be easy to see if they're
all coming from the same place, if not recognize the address as one of
your machines or some mystery machine ("like, zoiks, scoob!")

good times,
Vineet

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Re: [Harry Putnam ] Re: Terminfo and emacs

[Harry Putnam]

Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   If this analysis is correct, there is no bug in emacs (well,
>  there is nothing emacs21 packages can do to avoid this). Just don't
>  go removing dirs ;-).  I generally put things in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp,
>  which takes precedence over paths in /usr/share/emacs; and let the
>  files that belong to packages be (or remove the debian package, and
>  use the local package only).

I just finished reading the debian-policy thing on emacs.  So have a
little better idea what the game plan is now. 

I think there are some problems with it, but not really prepared to
give a full analysis.  One thing you might consider is that a regular
emacs package from source would have had no problems with the
directory having been moved.  It would just have recreated it and gone
on about its business.

I noticed that my site-start.el file that has built up over a few
years and worked in many places would not load as an init file even
when placed in /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp.  Which is contrary to emacs
defaults.  I had to change the name to `default.el' before it would
load on init.  It still doesn't load first, which again is not defaut
and contrary to the emacs documentation (I think, but haven't
researched it fully)

While not major issues it seems a bad move to change stuff that is
documented in the info files.  Unless of course there is a good
reason.

A further thing I noticed in the policy statement was that some things
are done by debian even if emacs is started -q -no-site-file.  Which
again breaks those commands and runs contrary to the documentation.

That is supposed to give a fully vanilla emacs.  Sometimes needed.

Re: Netscape - no javascript, no import of certificates - please help!

[Andreas Goesele]

Hi Jeff,

many thanks for your input.

Jeff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Andreas Goesele, 2002-Mar-05 04:00 +0100:

> > I have purged all netscape and communicator packages and installed
> > 4.79 from the netscape site into a different location. (Some of you
> > recommended so: Thanks!) But it didn't help: Still every time I try to
> > enable javascript or to enter a secure site netscape freezes if run
> > as user. (No problem if run as root.)

> Could be a permissions issue.

This is what I suspect.

> Did you install 4.79 into /usr/local as root and then install the
> java plugin into the /netscape/plugins directory also as root?
> Then, when you run netscape as a user it ought to work.

It's not a java but a javascript (and https ...) issue. For the 4.77
Debian package I had installed netscape and and netscape-java as root,
and all the files and directories in /usr/lib/netscape seem to belong
to root and group root. (Which I guess is as it should be.)

For 4.79 I just installed the tar.gz file from netscape (comes with
java?) as root into /opt/netscape and nothing more. In this case the
permissions are strange: Most files and directories belong to some
non-existing user with id 8482 and to group uucp. I changed it all to
root/root - with no avail, as I expected.

I suspect that for https and javascript (and what else?) netscape
needs some access to additional files or devices outside of the
netscape and ~/.netscape directories. But I don't have any idea what
that might be. Very strange everything, anyway.

Thanks again.

Andreas Goesele

RE: Kernel panic on install, Dell Poweredge 350

[justin cunningham]

I have the same server and got the same error with all of my potato isos
but woody works fine.  I've yet to recompile-- I hope that doesn't cause
your current problem.  justin

-Original Message-
From: Stan Kaufman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, March 05, 2002 12:20 PM
To: Michael Marziani
Cc: Debian User List
Subject: Re: Kernel panic on install, Dell Poweredge 350

Michael Marziani wrote:

> The last message I get is:  "Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root
fs
> on 01:00"
>
> I used the debug flag but it is not giving any additional info.
Anyone
> have any idea what I might try?  I've installed Debian quite a few
> times, but never on this hardware.  Any help or ideas appreciated!
>
> -Mike

What are you installing, an entire new system or just a new kernel?
Which
release? What install method? Are you trying to set this up as a dual
boot box?
At what point do you get that msg?

I recently put a new woody install on a PowerEdge 500SC. No major
problems at
all. Nice box for the price.

Stan



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Re: seti@home

[Greg Madden]

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On Tuesday 05 March 2002 11:13 am, Gary Turner wrote:
> I've been running setiathome on my winboxes and am considering adding
> my linbox to the mix.  So, the question is what is the appropriate
> directory to unpack and run this little bippy?  How does the
> graphical mode do?


'apt-get install setiathome', & for a graphical interface: 'apt-get 
install tkseti' 
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Re: IP blocked by router. Linux blocked. Win OK

[Vineet Kumar]

* hanasaki ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [020305 12:49]:
> Here is the situation.  It looks like something in the route is blocking 
> IP traffice based on the Linux IP stack.  The below is repeatable with 
> Different external IP's assigned from RR to diff NIC w/ diff MAC's
> 
> Win2000 -> RoadRunnderCableModem -> www.wdc.com (OK)
> Win2000 -> RoadRunnderCableModem -> www.nvidia.com (OK)
> 
> Win2000 -> Woody with Squid -> RoadRunnderCableModem
>   -> www.wdc.com (blocked)
> Woody FW -> telnet www.wdc.com 80 -> RoadRunnderCableModem
>   -> www.wdc.com (blocked)
> Win2000 -> Woody with Squid -> RoadRunnderCableModem
>   -> www.nvidia.com (blocked)
> Woody FW  -> telnet www.nvidia.com 80 -> RoadRunnderCableModem
>   -> www.nvidia.com (blocked)

What version kernel is this? Might be an ECN thing. How do pings seem to
be working?

If it's a 2.4.x kernel, check if ECN is enabled like this:

cat /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

or

sysctl net.ipv4.tcp_ecn

If you get a 1, it's enabled. Your upstream router could be buggy,
dropping all packets with the ECN bit set. To disable it, use one of
these:

echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

or

sysctl -w net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0

If that works, you might want to make the change permanent by adding a
line like this to /etc/sysctl.conf:

net.ipv4.tcp_ecn=0

good times,
Vineet

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[Greg Madden]

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I have a woody box with KDE from Sid . When trying to install Mozilla 
from Woody I get the following message:

updating mozilla chrome registry
/usr/bin/update-mozilla-chrome: line 49: 14658 segmentation fault 
regxpcom >/dev/null 2>/dev/null

any help appreciated

TIA
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Re: IP blocked by router. Linux blocked. Win OK

[J.H.M. Dassen \(Ray\)]

On Tue, Mar 05, 2002 at 13:08:02 -0600, hanasaki wrote:
> Here is the situation.  It looks like something in the route is blocking
> IP traffice based on the Linux IP stack.

Perhaps you have ECN enabled? See http://lwn.net/2001/0201/kernel.php3 .

HTH,
Ray
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