Re: serving the web without a web server

[Bob Proulx]

> I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web sites, including 
> http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though I've stopped apache 
> (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web site:

You are confusing network access (ping) with web access (apache).
The two are not related.  After stoping apache you should not be
able to connect to port 80 where the web server is normally located.
But you should be able to ping the box.  How else would you log into
the box in order to stop or start apache?

Now if you stop networking or turn the power off you should not be
able to ping the box anymore.  Don't try that if you are doing remote
adminstration or you will need to gain physical access in order to plug
it back in again.

HTH
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Re: regenerating the zsh completion cache

[Chris Gray]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:09:40PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:47:00PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote:
> > Hi,
> > If I install a new package and it installs a new binary, how do I get
> > zsh to complete the name of the binary when I hit tab.  Obviously I
> > could just start a new shell, but that's too easy.
> > Here is the completions part of my .zshrc:
> 
> I don't use zsh, but under bash it's hash -r. 

Thanks, that works for me.

Cheers,
Chris


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Burning an jigdo ISO

[Vaughan, Curtis]

Last time I downloaded a jigdo ISO, I burned it to a CD, but ended up with a
problem during install.  The problem being that when the install got to the
point for installing modules and drivers, it asked for a specific file,
which apparently isn’t a part of the image.  So, I used jigdo again to
download the latest 2.4.18 image (which the previous was, as well), hoping
this time the same thing won’t happen.  I notice that the iso file size is a
little larger (by a mere 131 Kbytes).  Could that possibly account for the
modules and drivers?  For some reason, I don’t think so.
 
I have 3 files:
woody-i386-8.iso
woody-i386-8.iso.jigdo
woody-i386-8.iso.template
 
As I understand I need merely create an image based on the first. Right?
But will I have the same problem as before?
 
Please, respond, somebody, anybody.
 
Curtis


 
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ATI Radeon 7000

[user list]

I've now discovered that even
in unstable, xfree86 is at version 4.1. I'm looking to use 4.2 because,
stupidly, I bought an ATI radeon 7000. According to Xfree86, it's supported.
However, I was unable to get it recognized. So, my questions are

1. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000 card with 4.1?
If the answer is yes, did you have any problems? I would be glad to send
log files.
2. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000 card with 4.2?
If the answer is yes, is there a debian package for 4.2, or should I compile
it from source?

Thanks in advance

Art Edwards


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Re: regenerating the zsh completion cache

[Walt Mankowski]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:09:40PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:47:00PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote:
> > Hi,
> > If I install a new package and it installs a new binary, how do I get
> > zsh to complete the name of the binary when I hit tab.  Obviously I
> > could just start a new shell, but that's too easy.
> > Here is the completions part of my .zshrc:
> 
> I don't use zsh, but under bash it's hash -r. 

That also works in zsh, as does "rehash".

Walt



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Re: Problem with sending usenet items with emacs gnus

[synthespian]

Em Ter, 2002-05-21 às 12:23, Carl Weidling escreveu:
> 
> I purchased a Debian Woody (Unofficial) distro from Edmunds Enterprises
> and installed it.  It seems OK except I'm having a lot of trouble with
> default configurations for communicating with the outside world.  I've
> already posted some questions (can't telnet in, the Mail transfer agent
> which I think is sendmail, 

The default is Exim. 
$ eximconfig

Try that.

at least sendmail is running, doesn't seem
> to want to play nice with fetchmail, and now this.  I'm afraid I
> don't know much about these kinds of configuration issues.  I still
> have the telnet and mail problems and will have to drop debian if I
> can't resolve them.  I've been using linux since 1994, mostly using
> slackware and somehow managed to get along knowing these configuration
> items until now.
> 
> Anyway, here's my latest-
> 
> When I try to post a message using emacs gnus, it produces a 'From'

Have you configured Emacs properly? Might be that.
Or: your localhost is not configured right. Can you telnet yourself?
Check the archives for localhost configuration.

Regs

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Re: Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[Rick Macdonald]

Tom Massey said:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:15:29PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
>> I get this:
>>
>> Get:1 http://http.demudi.org woody/local bcast 2000c-1 [3373kB]
>> Fetched 3373kB in 37s (90.1kB/s)
>> Selecting previously deselected package bcast.
>> (Reading database ... 82734 files and directories currently
>> installed.) Unpacking bcast (from .../bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb) ...
>> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
>> (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cjpeg.1.gz',
>> which is also in
>>  package libjpeg-progsErrors were encountered while processing:
>>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
>> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
> I don't have libjpeg-progs installed, so don't have this problem.
> You could uninstall libjpeg-progs I guess to install bcast. Note
> that this isn't an official Debian package.

I just ran dpkg -i --force-overwrite and got it installed. I copied the
packager on this email; perhaps he'd be interested in the problem.
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reconfigure af all packages

[Petr Vanek]

hi all,

friend of mine wanted to install debian by him self.

he managed pretty well installation process, but the bigger trable was
to select packages he wanted. (i have to notice, it was instalation over
pppd). because of the all downloading and so on, i was part of the
process too, but i would still like to give him the chance to do all
the configuration stuf by him self. is there safe way of doing dpkg
--reconfigure --all ? does anybody have good exporinecies with that?

thanx

p.s. i like this list pretty much, it's just great! thank you

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Re: Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[Tom Massey]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:15:29PM -0600, Rick Macdonald wrote:
> I get this:
> 
> Get:1 http://http.demudi.org woody/local bcast 2000c-1 [3373kB]
> Fetched 3373kB in 37s (90.1kB/s)
> Selecting previously deselected package bcast.
> (Reading database ... 82734 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking bcast (from .../bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
> (--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cjpeg.1.gz', which is 
> also in
>  package libjpeg-progsErrors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

I don't have libjpeg-progs installed, so don't have this problem.
You could uninstall libjpeg-progs I guess to install bcast. Note
that this isn't an official Debian package.


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Re: Calendar/scheduling softwae fro debain?

[Petr Vanek]

On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:37:27PM -0700, Steve Juranich wrote:
> > Actually, I'm thninking that's serious overkill for what I want. Isn't it
> > the grand swiss army knife, scheduler, email client, tea maker :-)
> > 
> > I'm looking for a simply little schedule keeper.
> 
> Well, if you're looking to go "old-school", there's always 'ical'.

hmm, are you sure? i needed it and i had to take it from potato, it was
not in woody (2 months ago)

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Re: Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[Rick Macdonald]

I get this:

Get:1 http://http.demudi.org woody/local bcast 2000c-1 [3373kB]
Fetched 3373kB in 37s (90.1kB/s)
Selecting previously deselected package bcast.
(Reading database ... 82734 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking bcast (from .../bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
(--unpack): trying to overwrite `/usr/share/man/man1/cjpeg.1.gz', which is also 
in
 package libjpeg-progsErrors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/bcast_2000c-1_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)



Tom Massey said:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:46:56PM -0400, stan wrote:
>> Anyone know where i can get this?
>
> Add:
>
> deb http://http.demudi.org/debian woody local main contrib non-free
>
> to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update,
> apt-get install bcast.
>
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potato -> sid

[Harvey Kelly]

Hello all,

Yes, I know it's foolish to go from Potato to Sid in a single bound, but
hey.

I uninstalled pretty much everything from potato - and left just a
skeleton system for the upgrade.  Apt-get -f dist-upgrade and then
waited.  After downloading apt freaked out (I can't remember at which
point), so I used dselect to see if that could sort it out.  It wanted
to download another 40MB, for a complete upgrade I guess.  Fine, so I
waited some more.  Now it's done it is having difficulty with
configuring debconf:

Setting up debconf (1.1.14) ...
no type given for question at /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Question.pm line
15.
dpkg: error processing debconf (--configure):
 subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255
Errors were encountered while processing:
 debconf
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

And obviously loads of important stuff ain't getting done.
How do I get out of this one?

Thanks

Harvey


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Re: Using pinning with apt-get

[user list]

Thanks very much. All seemed to work, but I've now discovered that even
in unstable, xfree86 is at version 4.1. I'm looking to use 4.2 because,
stupidly, I bought an ATI radeon 7000. According to Xfree86, it's supported. 
However, I was unable to get it recognized. So, my questions are

1. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000 card with 4.1?
If the answer is yes, did you have any problems? I would be glad to send
log files.
2. Has anyone had success with an ATI radeon 7000 card with 4.2?
If the answer is yes, is there a debian package for 4.2, or should I compile
it from source?


Again, thanks for the response.

Art Edwards
On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:40:13PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Tue, 21 May 2002 19:55:07 -0600
> "user list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I would like to have apt-get pull down only xfree-86 from unstable onto
> > what is now a purely testing machine. Does anyone know how to do this?
> 
> Add the unstable references to your sources.list.  Then in
> "/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/" create a file (I suggest "10default") containing
> the following line:
> 
> APT::Default-Release "testing";
> 
> Then run the following commands:
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get install x-window-system/unstable
> 
> That will pull the x-window-system package from the unstable branch and
> should pull the other packages that it needs or at least give you a
> listing of them.
> 
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Woody install infinite loop seems fixed...

[Neal Lippman]

For those who like me were getting stuck on the woody install infinite loop 
problem (at the point where you specify your timezone, then create a root 
password and user accounts):

I d/l'd a new woody CD #1 iso (via jigdo) over the w/e, and just tried it and 
the bug is now fixed. I guess the borked package is now replaced with teh 
working version. 

I've gotten to the point of scanning CD's for packages. Since I was planning 
more than one install, I d/l'd all 8 CDs (yeah, I know, I should have gone 
for the network install, but I was clearly being brain-damaged), so now to 
burn the remaining CD's so I can load them up.


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Re: Using pinning with apt-get

[Jamin W . Collins]

On Tue, 21 May 2002 19:55:07 -0600
"user list" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I would like to have apt-get pull down only xfree-86 from unstable onto
> what is now a purely testing machine. Does anyone know how to do this?

Add the unstable references to your sources.list.  Then in
"/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/" create a file (I suggest "10default") containing
the following line:

APT::Default-Release "testing";

Then run the following commands:

apt-get update
apt-get install x-window-system/unstable

That will pull the x-window-system package from the unstable branch and
should pull the other packages that it needs or at least give you a
listing of them.

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Re: apt-get sources

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

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> Is the debian ftp site also a round-robin of all the ftp mirrors?

It *should* be, but it's better to use apt-spy to find the fastest for
you.

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Re: ssh-agent hangs startx

[Sridhar M.A.]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 07:26:26PM -0400, Brian Stults wrote:
   > 
   > When I start X with ssh-agent (i.e. "ssh-agent startx"), X hangs.  I put 
   > "xterm" on the first line of my .xinitrc and that won't even come up. 
   > The cross-hatched X background comes up, but nothing else.  If I run it 
   > withouth ssh-agent, everything runs fine.  Ssh-agent was working fine up 
   > until about 2 weeks ago.  I haven't done anything major since then aside 
   > from a few apt-get update/upgrades.
   > 
I am also facing a similar problem. From an xterm on one machine(1), I ssh
to another machine(2) and start some program. The machine(1) immediately
hangs solidly --- keyboard does not work, cannot ping even from another
machine. The only way I can get back is press reset :-( I have set the
ssh forwarding correctly (or so I presume) in /etc/ssh_config and
/etc/sshd_config on both the machines.

Any one has faced this problem and found a solution for it? Kindly post
the same.

Regards,

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Using pinning with apt-get

[user list]

I would like to have apt-get pull down only xfree-86 from unstable onto what
is now a purely testing machine. Does anyone know how to do this?

Art edwards


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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:57:16PM -0700, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:04:59PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> > > You do have a valid point, but a statically linked root shell will
> not
> > > always work. At least you shouldn't rely on it being sufficient...
> > You don't rely on your airbag (no, not your local politician, the
> > one in your car) being sufficent, nor your seat belt (or if you
> ride
> > a motorcycle, your Helmet etc.), however you want them there when
> > you need them, right? 
> Yep. As long as it is practical. It depends on how far you think is
> practical.  (I wouldn't rely on my politician either). At some point,
> the extra effort simply isn't worth it. You seem to want to go further;
> that's OK. As long as I'm not forced to.

All I'm asking for at this point is something that the rest of the
Unix World has done forever, a statically linked /sbin/sh for roots
use. 

Is this the first time someone has brought this up? 

> > Mostly just some basic copy tools. 
> If you need to pick things out of .debs, then you'll need a working
> dpkg. Or ar + tar ( & gzip if memory serves).

Actually, just tar and cp. 

> > Looks like I'm going to have to learn how to make custom debs. 
> If you really must, then it should be relatively easy to "apt-get
> source", apply a patch, "fakeroot debian/rules binary". In fact, you
> should end up with a quite small patch (depending on the package in
> question); enough to at least semi-automate the process for future
> versions. And you probably need your own (small-ish) debian mirror.
 
  Heck, I've already got three, or 6 if you consider non-US to be a
  seperate mirror. 

> Correction: Relatively easy, and a relatively large amount of work...

Doesn't sound like it. 

> [ snip, snip, snip ]
> > > suitable kernel if you have some esoteric hardware...
> > You say that like I can wander over and stick a floppy in.
> > The vast majority of my machines, and the ones I worry about are 50
> > miles from here. 
> Point taken. But for some types of failures, you'll *have* to get out of
> the chair anyway :-)

Not the way I'm planning it. 

At this point in time I can reinstall any of my Debian and almost
all of my Redhat boxes (with one exception) from either here (work)
or home. I have roughly 5% spares (meaning that with the exception
of some specialized hardware) I an lose and regenerate 5% of my
servers w/out cutting in to my capacity. I've also got about 30%
spare capacity in most of my clusters, so I can lose a box or three
out of most clusters and not miss them even during peak loads. 

The thing is, I want to be able to get in to certain boxes and get
the (money) logs off before I nuke them. 

However, that is *my* specific case. 

As I iterated earlier, and am re-iterating now, there are a
multitude of reasons for a small set of statically linked programs
on a network connected machine. Root's shell is definately one of
those. 

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unmounting device after playing movie with xine

[Travis Crump]

Whenever I play a (divx) movie off a partition or CD with xine, I am 
unable to umount the device when I am done.  The attempt always fails 
with a 'device is busy' error message.  'fuser -mv ' doesn't 
report that anything is using any of the files on the partition, and if 
I log out of X and log back in I am then able to umount the device.  My 
system is a pretty standard woody install and xine-ui is 0.9.8-4 and 
libxine0 is 0.9.8-2.  Not being able to umount CDs is more than 
moderately annoying, does anyone have any ideas?



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Re: apt-get sources

[user list]

On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 02:08:24PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> 
> On 08-May-2002 Rick Weinbender wrote:
> > Hi,
> > I fairly new to Debian Linux and was wondering if
> > any of you have some alternative apt-get sources
> > for running 'apt-get upgrade'.
> > I'm running stable version 2.2 r3.
> > In my /etc/apt/sources.list is the default:
> > deb http://www.us.debian.org/debian stable main contrib non-free
> > 
> 
> http.us.debian.org is a round robin that alternates through all of the debian
> mirrors in the US.
> 
Is the debian ftp site also a round-robin of all the ftp mirrors?
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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Keith Willoughby]

Keith Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Just tried it with lynx and things are as they should be (as it
>   doesn't use ntl) - nothing there!
> 
> Guess I'll get on to ntl tomorrow and see what they have to say.

IIRC, ntl do transparent caching of http traffic.

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who can list the contents of the boot cdrom?

[Squirrel]

When I installed the base file system,I make an image of
basedebs.tar.But after the basedebs.tar had been extracted ,it said
"/dists/woody/Release was not pre-downloaded".I have downloaded the
Release where shall I put the Release?




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Re: ext3

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:

> 1) How do I change the ext3 file system to ext2 without wiping out the data
> so woody can access the files?

Remount as ext2.  ext3 is backwards compatible.

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Re: dialup server

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Henning, Brian wrote:

> I am trying to set up a dial up server with mgetty so friends can log in to
> my computer over ppp.

PPP howto covers this.

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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Paul 'Baloo' Johnson]

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On Tue, 21 May 2002, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:

> Its funny... I am not able to connect to www.nvidia.com from my linux box. I
> tried several browsers (konqy, netscape, lynx). Everytime i get a serer
> timeout error.
> I have on the same machine win2k installed from where i am prefectly able to
> connect to the site.

I'm able to get to it in mozilla.  Not trying in other browsers.

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

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On 21 May 2002, Peter Corlett wrote:

> It seems that the only merit sash has is that it is statically linked. I
> find it to be a horrible shell otherwise, and I'd rather not have that as
> the default root shell on my boxes.

So if you can't use the machine any other way, pass init=/bin/sash (or
whatever it's location is) to the kernel on boot...

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Re: What package contains gnomecal?

[christophe barbé]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:49:59PM +0100, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:46:29PM -0400, stan wrote:
> > I tried apt-cache search gnomecal, but came up dry.
> > 
> > I have it installed on one machine, so I know it's out there, but where?
> 
> gnome-pim
> 
> Which you could also have found out by running:
> 
> $ dpkg --search gnomecal
> 
> on the machine where it is installed :-)

Funny.

He wants to know the package for a given soft ... to install it.

If you want to find where is a given binary, you can use the debian
package search page :

http://www.debian.org/distrib/packages

I suggest to search something like 'bin/gnomecal' instead of gnomecal to
limit the search.

Christophe


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Re: ppp gui package?

[John Hasler]

James Cameron writes:
> Debian packages preferred.  I've had a quick look at gkdial, and it might
> be useful.  Any other packages?

Gpppon is a GUI wrapper for pon and poff, and pppconfig can use kdialog,
gdialog, and xdialog (it doesn't use them by default because I've not found
them to be stable enough).
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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:04:59PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:

> > You do have a valid point, but a statically linked root shell will not
> > always work. At least you shouldn't rely on it being sufficient...
> 
> You don't rely on your airbag (no, not your local politician, the
> one in your car) being sufficent, nor your seat belt (or if you ride
> a motorcycle, your Helmet etc.), however you want them there when
> you need them, right? 

Yep. As long as it is practical. It depends on how far you think is
practical.  (I wouldn't rely on my politician either). At some point,
the extra effort simply isn't worth it. You seem to want to go further;
that's OK. As long as I'm not forced to.

[ snip, snip, snip ]

> > To repair such a system you may need other tools, e.g. dpkg, ar, apt-get
> > (which for the purposes of this, are rather inconveniently located in
> > /usr), mount, tar and gzip. All of which (i believe) are dynamically
> > linked.
> 
> Mostly just some basic copy tools. 

If you need to pick things out of .debs, then you'll need a working
dpkg. Or ar + tar ( & gzip if memory serves).

> Looks like I'm going to have to learn how to make custom debs. 

If you really must, then it should be relatively easy to "apt-get
source", apply a patch, "fakeroot debian/rules binary". In fact, you
should end up with a quite small patch (depending on the package in
question); enough to at least semi-automate the process for future
versions. And you probably need your own (small-ish) debian mirror.

Correction: Relatively easy, and a relatively large amount of work...

[ snip, snip, snip ]

> > At least you should always be able to boot from the install floppies,
> > and mount/fsck your root filesystem from there. If not, then it's time
> > for you to create new boot floppies. The standard ones may not have a
> > suitable kernel if you have some esoteric hardware...
> 
> You say that like I can wander over and stick a floppy in.
> 
> The vast majority of my machines, and the ones I worry about are 50
> miles from here. 

Point taken. But for some types of failures, you'll *have* to get out of
the chair anyway :-)

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Re: eject command fails on cdrom

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 19:55:53 -0500, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> Because you probably did not install from cdrom, so the link never got
> set up.

This is true, but why is the link set up only when installing from
cdrom? The /etc/fstab file contains a /dev/cdrom line and there is
a /dev/hdc file, so having a link by default would be logical.

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Re: ext3 problems

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Glen" == Glen Lee Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Glen> I'm going to install a second hard drive and put Woody on
Glen> it.  I'd like to then be able to access the existing files
Glen> on the original hard drive from Woody.  But they're
Glen> formatted ext3.  Is there a way I can format them back to
Glen> ext2 without losing all the data, or does debian have a
Glen> precompiled 2.4.x kernel that's ready for ext3 that I can
Glen> just do an apt-get upgrade with?

ext3 file systems can be mounted as ext2.

Debian 2.4.18 kernel's come with ext3 support. I believe the i386
kernels had a problem (might be fixed recently) where you could not
mount the root partition ext3, but the other builds work (I use k7,
i686 and 586tsc).

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Re: eject command fails on cdrom

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Vincent" == Vincent Lefevre <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Vincent> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 14:22:33 -0400, Robert_L wrote:
>> /dev/cdrom here is a link to /dev/hdc (which is the actual
>> device file)

Vincent> BTW, I had to add the link manually. Why isn't there a
Vincent> link by default?

Because you probably did not install from cdrom, so the link never got
set up.

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locking your screen..

[Ross Tsolakidis]

Title: locking your screen..





Hi all,


Using Debian for Sparc, I've been having problems with XScreenSaver, it seems to crash periodically.
Is there any other app out there I can use to lock my screen (password it for when I leave my desk)  ?


Thanks  :)


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Re: Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[Tom Massey]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:46:56PM -0400, stan wrote:
> Anyone know where i can get this?
 
Add:

deb http://http.demudi.org/debian woody local main contrib non-free

to your /etc/apt/sources.list, then apt-get update,
apt-get install bcast.


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Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?]

[John Hasler]

Colin Watson wrote:
> No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a
> decent bitter or ale sometime ...

There are hundreds of excellent American beers and ales.  Don' be
distracted by the mediocre rice wines produced by Budweiser and its
imitators.
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ppp gui package?

[James Cameron]

Summary: anyone know of a PPP GUI based on GTK+?

G'day,

As part of the PPTP Client project, I would like to build or adapt a GUI
to make PPTP connections.  To make a connection, pppd is started with a
particular set of options.

I'm looking for Glade or GTK+ based GUI package that provides similar
functionality.  Making dial-up connections is a very similar task, we
only have to add a few options to use PPTP.  The task may be solved by
an existing PPP GUI.

Debian packages preferred.  I've had a quick look at gkdial, and it
might be useful.  Any other packages?

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Gnome 2 download

[the jackol]

What components do I need to download from Debian Experimental for Gnome 2? Is 
it necessary to have an earlier version of Gnome installed, or can a fresh 
installation be done from Experimental directly?

Regards,
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Re: wrapping [was: Re: disable paragraph flows in mozilla?]

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 09:26:31AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 06:49:06PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> > On Fri, May 17, 2002 at 08:34:20PM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> > > [1] There's a difference between American beer and Oregonian beer,
> > > though, Widmer Brothers and McMenamins are still good; Henry Weinhards
> > > used to be good until they sold out to Miller, they're brewed out of St.
> > > Louis and the formula changed: it tastes like Miller Lite now.
> > 
> > Beer is beer. Budwiser makes more beer because they have bigger
> > horses, that's all. 
> No, no, no. American beer is American beer. Come to England and try a
> decent bitter or ale sometime ...

Let me put this in a way you may understand: 

I don't *like* beer, Sam I Am. 
Not in a bottle, Not in a can. 
I don't like it with pizza, 
I don't like it with spam, 
And I most certainly will not drink it
with green eggs and ham. 


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Re: Recommended tape backup software

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 02:49:47PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On 21 May 2002 14:31:02 -0500
> "Ron Johnson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I think we're well past the point where we must agree to
> > disagree about the best way to back up enterprise databases.
> Agreed.  Now, would it be possible to get back to the original topic "tape
> backup software".  I (for one) am very interested to hear what about
> people experiences, recommendations (or lack thereof) concerning tape
> backup software.  I don't care much for a philisophical debate over
> whether to use tapes or hard drives.  I've already made the decision to
> use tapes and am relatively open to hear what works and what doesn't for
> others out there.

We use Net Backup, it's not free, it's definately not cheap.

It is incredibly powerful, which means there are a *lot* of options.
I don't think they have a linux server. They might. We run it off an
old Sun U5. We've got 2 spectradrive tape robots hooked up to it,
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Re: Recommended tape backup software - tape vs disk - raided

[Petro]

On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 10:04:49PM -0700, Alvin Oga wrote:
> hi ya petro

Morning. 

> On Mon, 20 May 2002, Petro wrote:
> > On Mon, May 20, 2002 at 12:10:34AM -0700, Peter Whysall wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2002-05-20 at 06:22, Alvin Oga wrote:
> > > > --- if the disks is raid5'd ... give one disk
> > > > --- to each of the CEO/CFO/CTO/foo/bar and no one user
> > > > --- has all the data... no way for stealing corp secrets
> > > That's innovative, but impractical.
> > No, it's a great idea, but you can do the same thing even more
> > safely with tapes. 
> good point.. give um tapes most people dont have an expensive
> drive sitting at home  to go poking around on it
>   while everybody can poke around on an ide disk

Wait a minute, you're not encrypting them? 

 

> > > A terabyte is 10 AIT-3 tapes. How many disks is it?
> > 10 120 gig IDE drives. 
> > Each with lots of electronics to fail. 
> yuppers... and with a tape drive.. you only fix one ??

When the electronics on a tape drive fail, you can use almost any
other tape drive of the same media type to read the tape. In an
emergency, you drive down to  and i've never dropped at tape drive... nor disks...
>   - tapes get dropped because a klutz like me is swapping
>   out a tape w/ feeble fingers... 

As opposed to swaping out a drive with feeble fingers? 

>   - i get itchy when i see people dropping stuff...

Disasters happen. That's what backups are for after all. 

>   - even worst when i see them with rubber shoes touching 
>   memory/disks w/o antistatic

Tapes aren't as delicate. 

>   ( its hilarious when they say they got shocked...
>   ( and wonder why the machine stopped working...

In almost 20 years of messing with computers in various capacities,
including living and working in high-static environments, the only
time static electricity has cause a computer I was working on to die
was a lightining strike. 

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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[ben]

On Tuesday 21 May 2002 04:45 pm, Petro wrote:

> I'm having trouble with Wife 1.0, I really don't want to upgrade,
> as it's an emotionally problematic, and somewhat expensive a process,
> but doing the the weekly floral update isn't quite working as well as
> it used to.
>
> Any suggestions?

yeah. check for operator errors--e.g., stop dwelling on your last sig, no 
matter how long it's been. it's like you're timing it until the next one. 
gigo.

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jigdo image doesn't install

[curtis]

About a month ago I created a CD image for a 2.4.x kernel installation, which
image I created using jigdo.

When I attempted to do an installation from the CD, which
started out fine, I reached a point where it was going to “install modules and 
drivers,” and it asked me for access to a necessary file.

Unfortunately, I don’t remember the name of the file or the default
location it was trying to locate it in, but my question is: why?  Do I
need to also burn some files and directories onto the installation CD?
And, how could that be possible, if the CD is burned as an image?  Or,
am I completely missing something.

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Re: regenerating the zsh completion cache

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:47:00PM -0700, Chris Gray wrote:
> Hi,
> If I install a new package and it installs a new binary, how do I get
> zsh to complete the name of the binary when I hit tab.  Obviously I
> could just start a new shell, but that's too easy.
> Here is the completions part of my .zshrc:

I don't use zsh, but under bash it's hash -r. 

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 04:51:08PM -0700, Tom Cook wrote:
> On  0, Richard Cobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not
> > > have to make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.
> > True, but I really can't see any harm in making root's shell a
> > statically-linked binary, myself.  After all, how many root shells do
> > you expect to have running at one time?
> One for every cron or at job... at least.

/sbin/sh and /bin/sh do not have to be the same binary. 

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:46:47PM -0700, Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 12:58:48PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> > This is something that has been bothering me for a while now. 
> > See, you guys who put these distributions together are pretty
> > bright. It takes a lot of work, and I see a lot of the discussions
> > that go in to figuring out all the nit-picky little details that
> > give polish to a distribution. 
> > However, one thing is driving me absolutely Bug F*** crazy. 
> > I use, or have used several versions of RedHat and SuSe, and now I'm
> > on my second "version" of Debian. 
> > Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> > installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> > roots default shell? 
> You do have a valid point, but a statically linked root shell will not
> always work. At least you shouldn't rely on it being sufficient...

You don't rely on your airbag (no, not your local politician, the
one in your car) being sufficent, nor your seat belt (or if you ride
a motorcycle, your Helmet etc.), however you want them there when
you need them, right? 

> If you were to nuke /lib/ld-linux.so* (or other essential libraries),
> then chances are that you won't be able to log in anyway:
> $ ldd /sbin/getty
>   libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001d000)
>   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
> [OK. I admit that if you can find an already-running getty, this may be
> a moot point]
> $ ldd /bin/login
>   libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4001d000)
>   libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4004a000)
>   libpam_misc.so.0 => /lib/libpam_misc.so.0 (0x40053000)
>   libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40056000)
>   libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40059000)
>   /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)
> Besides, even /sbin/init is dynamically linked, so a severly damaged
> system won't be able to boot...

I'm not so much worried about rebooting, as trying to diagnois and
scavange an already running system. 

> So, to follow your line of thought (i think), then at least getty &
> login need to be statically linked too. And init if you plan on
> rebooting using only the existing (hypothetically damaged) root fs. And
> you need to prepare by having root's login shell be statically linked.

Yeah, it might be a good idea to build static versions of those as
well. 

> To repair such a system you may need other tools, e.g. dpkg, ar, apt-get
> (which for the purposes of this, are rather inconveniently located in
> /usr), mount, tar and gzip. All of which (i believe) are dynamically
> linked.

Mostly just some basic copy tools. 

Looks like I'm going to have to learn how to make custom debs. 

> As others have suggested, sash will help here - assuming that you can
> log in...
> Another solution could be to boot your kernel with init=/bin/sash. And
> make sure that this boots with the root fs in read-write mode; as the
> mount command is dynamically linked...
 
> At least you should always be able to boot from the install floppies,
> and mount/fsck your root filesystem from there. If not, then it's time
> for you to create new boot floppies. The standard ones may not have a
> suitable kernel if you have some esoteric hardware...

You say that like I can wander over and stick a floppy in.

The vast majority of my machines, and the ones I worry about are 50
miles from here. 




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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:42:53PM +, Peter Corlett wrote:
> Vincent Lefevre  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 17:18:08 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> >> After reading this thread, I decided to install sash.
> > I did that too. Is there a reason why it isn't installed by default?
> 
> It seems that the only merit sash has is that it is statically linked. I
> find it to be a horrible shell otherwise, and I'd rather not have that as
> the default root shell on my boxes.

If the system is working fine, then you just type bash (or tcsh, if
you're twisted that way) and go on about your business.

> I'm not sure you gain much by being able to log in if libc is shafted since
> it's pretty much reinstall time by then anyway...

That depends a lot on how it's shafted. 

As well, there could be a few things to do before a reinstall that
make it a lot less painful. 

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:32:48PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> > installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> > roots default shell? 
> because the days of static bins are long passed.  if *you* want this, Debian
> makes it even easier.  apt-get install sash.  not only is is statically linked
> it also includes enough stuff to help you save a system.
> Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not have to
> make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.

Also, CCing somebody who has not been so rude as to say "CC me
please I don't read the list" isn't necessary. 

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:32:48PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > 
> > Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> > installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> > roots default shell? 
> > 
> 
> because the days of static bins are long passed.  

For most things, I'd agree. For certain critical binaries, that is
pure unadalterated hubris. 

The was to hose a system are manifold, as are the paths to recovery
of that system, and to not do the simplest thing--like providing a
sane and statically linked /sbin/sh for root is silly. 

> if *you* want this, Debian
> makes it even easier.  apt-get install sash.  not only is is statically linked
> it also includes enough stuff to help you save a system.

I want it the *default*. It will be in the next interation of my
production installation. 

> Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not have to
> make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.

You make *lots* of decisions for the end user. Most of them are
*very* sane. 

This one is not. 


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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 10:42:53PM +, Peter Corlett wrote:
> It seems that the only merit sash has is that it is statically linked. I
> find it to be a horrible shell otherwise, and I'd rather not have that as
> the default root shell on my boxes.
> 
> I'm not sure you gain much by being able to log in if libc is shafted since
> it's pretty much reinstall time by then anyway...

Not a bit.  I have recovered systems that had libc blown away.  I've
recovered systems that had all of /usr blown away...

sash is handy because not only is it statically linked, but it has many
common utilities *built in*, so if you blow away libc, not only do you
still have a shell, but you still have the tools that you're likely to
need to recover it.

Having a shell that is "uncomfortable" as root's shell is not
necessarily a bad thing, either.  You really shouldn't be spending too
much time as root, and, the way I see it, if you're spending enough time
there that you need tab completion and other advanced shell features,
you're probably doing too much as root.  Besides, you can always exec
bash if you really need it.

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Richard Cobbe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not
> > have to make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.
> 
> True, but I really can't see any harm in making root's shell a
> statically-linked binary, myself.  After all, how many root shells do
> you expect to have running at one time?

One for every cron or at job... at least.

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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:44:53PM -0700, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.21.2228 +0200]:
> > > This is caused by having Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN)
> > > enabled.
> > >
> > > You can disable it using:
> > >
> > > echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> > >
> > > Andrew.
> > 
> > Whats that? ECN?
> 
> do you know about google.com?
>   http://www.google.com/search?q=Explicit%20Congestion%20Notification
> 
> just wondering. i know it's damn easy to ask *all* questions to
> debian-user, they even get answered... but we shan't forget how to
> research ourselves...

I'm having trouble with Wife 1.0, I really don't want to upgrade,
as it's an emotionally problematic, and somewhat expensive a process, 
but doing the the weekly floral update isn't quite working as well as 
it used to. 

Any suggestions? 

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Re: Emacs and shell variables

[Tom Cook]

On  0, Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Felix Natter wrote:
> > Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > > When using Emacs to start a compilation (e.g. with C-c C-c from C++
> > > mode) you get "make -k" as default. The problem I'm experiencing
> > > is, that I need some shell variables set in the Makefile. I've set
> > > them in my ~/.bashrc and it works fine if I start Emacs from an
> > > xterm which has this variable set in its shell.
> > > 
> > > But when I start Emacs with a function key, then the ~/.bashrc
> > > obviously isn't executed, the shell variable isn't set and the make
> > > process fails.
> > > 
> > > So, how do I tell Emacs always to execute ~/.bashrc in order to get
> > > at my shell variables?
> 
> > You can put your variables both in ~/.bashrc and ~/.bash_profile.
> > Or you can use (setenv "TEST" "foo").
> 
> It looks like I didn't make my problem clear enough.
> 
> The variables *are* already in ~/.bashrc (and they're exported there).
> But Emacs only knows about them if I start Emacs from a bash. If I
> however use a function key I have defined with fvwm, then Emacs doesn't
> start with the shell as parent and therefore hasn't the variables set.
> And I'd like Emacs to have those variables set even then.

So put (setenv "variable" "value") in your .emacs

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ssh-agent hangs startx

[Brian Stults]

Hello,

When I start X with ssh-agent (i.e. "ssh-agent startx"), X hangs.  I put 
"xterm" on the first line of my .xinitrc and that won't even come up. 
The cross-hatched X background comes up, but nothing else.  If I run it 
withouth ssh-agent, everything runs fine.  Ssh-agent was working fine up 
until about 2 weeks ago.  I haven't done anything major since then aside 
from a few apt-get update/upgrades.


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email...qmail

[Tom Allison]

If I am going to run qmail under inetd, do I need ucspi-tcp-src?

Also, I noticed that exim as configured in Debian by default, has a 
daemon mode that periodically does retries.  How is this done if exim 
only starts from an inetd connection?  Can I do something similar for qmail?



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Re: Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[Jeronimo Pellegrini]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:46:56PM -0400, stan wrote:
> Anyone know where i can get this?

Usually, you can try http://packages.debian.org/  and if that doesn't
help, http://bugs.debian.org/wnpp

See http://bugs.debian.org/78209  about Broadcast2000.

J.

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Re: controller

[Shaul Karl]

> 
>   How can i create a disk with my scsi controller module, for
> instalation???
>   I want install the Debian 3.0, and i need to load the right module, to
> my kernel works. How can i do that?
> 
> Thanks
> 


It is my understanding that you are asking how to tell the boot disk of Debian 
3.0 how it can access your scsi controller. Am I right?

As far as I remember you have to key in something like

linux aha1542=0x134

However the exact parameters depends on the scsi module you are using.
Have you tried to look at the help pages? The first screen of the installtion 
presents these pages. I believe they are displayed with F1, F2 and so on.
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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Keith Robinson]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:41:09PM +0100, Keith Robinson wrote:
 > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:30:38PM -0700, Charles Baker wrote:
 >  > 
 >  > --- Keith Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >  > > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:12:04PM -0500, Jamin W.
 >  > > Collins wrote:
 >  > >  > On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:05:18 +0100
 >  > >  > "Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > > I have something bizarre happening: I serve
 >  > > some web sites, including
 >  > >  > > http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though
 >  > > I've stopped apache
 >  > >  > > (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web
 >  > > site:
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > Apache has nothing to do with whether a system
 >  > > responds to a ping.  If the
 >  > >  > network interface is up, properly configured, has
 >  > > a valid IP and no
 >  > >  > filters it will respond to ping requests.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > (snip)
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > > So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > Same holds true for traceroute.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > (snip)
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > > So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is
 >  > > located) caching (aggressively)
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > Most likely not the case.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > (snip)
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > > Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > Might want to take a look at the Networking
 >  > > HOWTO.
 >  > >  > 
 >  > >  > 
 >  > > 
 >  > >  Ofcourse - doh!  Thanks.  However, the site is
 >  > > still accessible through a browser, despite hard
 >  > > refreshes.  So, since I am not serving it, then I
 >  > > was thinking that it might be cached (or perhaps
 >  > > something else) - and therefore not avaialbe to
 >  > > everybody?
 >  > > 
 >  > > Any further thoughts?
 >  > > 
 >  > > Thanks for your help so far,
 >  > > 
 >  > > Keith
 >  > <>
 >  > 
 >  > I get connection refused. Are you sure _your_ browser
 >  > hasn't cached the site?
 >  > 
 > 
 >  Absolutely.  I just tried it from a different browser - both Mozilla and 
 > IE6 can access it, even when I try shift-refresh.  If others can't access 
 > it, then it seems to me that ntl might well be doing some serious caching - 
 > or perhaps they've broken something.

  Just tried it with lynx and things are as they should be (as it doesn't use 
ntl) - nothing there!

Guess I'll get on to ntl tomorrow and see what they have to say.

Thanks for all the help from everybody. It was appreciated.

Keith


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Re: What package contains gnomecal?

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:46:29PM -0400, stan wrote:
> I tried apt-cache search gnomecal, but came up dry.
> 
> I have it installed on one machine, so I know it's out there, but where?

gnome-pim

Which you could also have found out by running:

$ dpkg --search gnomecal

on the machine where it is installed :-)

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Karl E. Jorgensen]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 12:58:48PM -0700, Petro wrote:
> 
> This is something that has been bothering me for a while now. 
> 
> See, you guys who put these distributions together are pretty
> bright. It takes a lot of work, and I see a lot of the discussions
> that go in to figuring out all the nit-picky little details that
> give polish to a distribution. 
> 
> However, one thing is driving me absolutely Bug F*** crazy. 
> 
> I use, or have used several versions of RedHat and SuSe, and now I'm
> on my second "version" of Debian. 
> 
> Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> roots default shell? 

You do have a valid point, but a statically linked root shell will not
always work. At least you shouldn't rely on it being sufficient...

If you were to nuke /lib/ld-linux.so* (or other essential libraries),
then chances are that you won't be able to log in anyway:

$ ldd /sbin/getty
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x4001d000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

[OK. I admit that if you can find an already-running getty, this may be
a moot point]

$ ldd /bin/login
libcrypt.so.1 => /lib/libcrypt.so.1 (0x4001d000)
libpam.so.0 => /lib/libpam.so.0 (0x4004a000)
libpam_misc.so.0 => /lib/libpam_misc.so.0 (0x40053000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40056000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40059000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

Besides, even /sbin/init is dynamically linked, so a severly damaged
system won't be able to boot...

So, to follow your line of thought (i think), then at least getty &
login need to be statically linked too. And init if you plan on
rebooting using only the existing (hypothetically damaged) root fs. And
you need to prepare by having root's login shell be statically linked.

To repair such a system you may need other tools, e.g. dpkg, ar, apt-get
(which for the purposes of this, are rather inconveniently located in
/usr), mount, tar and gzip. All of which (i believe) are dynamically
linked.

As others have suggested, sash will help here - assuming that you can
log in...

Another solution could be to boot your kernel with init=/bin/sash. And
make sure that this boots with the root fs in read-write mode; as the
mount command is dynamically linked...

At least you should always be able to boot from the install floppies,
and mount/fsck your root filesystem from there. If not, then it's time
for you to create new boot floppies. The standard ones may not have a
suitable kernel if you have some esoteric hardware...

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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Keith Robinson]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 03:30:38PM -0700, Charles Baker wrote:
 > 
 > --- Keith Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > > On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:12:04PM -0500, Jamin W.
 > > Collins wrote:
 > >  > On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:05:18 +0100
 > >  > "Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > >  > 
 > >  > > I have something bizarre happening: I serve
 > > some web sites, including
 > >  > > http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though
 > > I've stopped apache
 > >  > > (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web
 > > site:
 > >  > 
 > >  > Apache has nothing to do with whether a system
 > > responds to a ping.  If the
 > >  > network interface is up, properly configured, has
 > > a valid IP and no
 > >  > filters it will respond to ping requests.
 > >  > 
 > >  > (snip)
 > >  > 
 > >  > > So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
 > >  > 
 > >  > Same holds true for traceroute.
 > >  > 
 > >  > (snip)
 > >  > 
 > >  > > So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is
 > > located) caching (aggressively)
 > >  > 
 > >  > Most likely not the case.
 > >  > 
 > >  > (snip)
 > >  > 
 > >  > > Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
 > >  > 
 > >  > Might want to take a look at the Networking
 > > HOWTO.
 > >  > 
 > >  > 
 > > 
 > >  Ofcourse - doh!  Thanks.  However, the site is
 > > still accessible through a browser, despite hard
 > > refreshes.  So, since I am not serving it, then I
 > > was thinking that it might be cached (or perhaps
 > > something else) - and therefore not avaialbe to
 > > everybody?
 > > 
 > > Any further thoughts?
 > > 
 > > Thanks for your help so far,
 > > 
 > > Keith
 > <>
 > 
 > I get connection refused. Are you sure _your_ browser
 > hasn't cached the site?
 > 

 Absolutely.  I just tried it from a different browser - both Mozilla and IE6 
can access it, even when I try shift-refresh.  If others can't access it, then 
it seems to me that ntl might well be doing some serious caching - or perhaps 
they've broken something.

Keith

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regenerating the zsh completion cache

[Chris Gray]

Hi,

If I install a new package and it installs a new binary, how do I get
zsh to complete the name of the binary when I hit tab.  Obviously I
could just start a new shell, but that's too easy.

Here is the completions part of my .zshrc:

# The following lines were added by compinstall

zstyle ':completion:*' file-sort modification
zstyle ':completion:*' ignore-parents parent pwd
zstyle ':completion:*' matcher-list '+r:|[/]=* r:|=*' '+r:|[/]=* r:|=*'
'+r:|[/]=* r:|=*' '+r:|[/]=* r:|=*'
zstyle :compinstall filename '/home/cgray4/.zshrc'

autoload -U compinit
compinit
# End of lines added by compinstall


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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Peter Corlett]

Vincent Lefevre  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 17:18:08 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
>> After reading this thread, I decided to install sash.
> I did that too. Is there a reason why it isn't installed by default?

It seems that the only merit sash has is that it is statically linked. I
find it to be a horrible shell otherwise, and I'd rather not have that as
the default root shell on my boxes.

I'm not sure you gain much by being able to log in if libc is shafted since
it's pretty much reinstall time by then anyway...


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Bradcast2000 for Woody?

[stan]

Anyone know where i can get this?

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What package contains gnomecal?

[stan]

I tried apt-cache search gnomecal, but came up dry.

I have it installed on one machine, so I know it's out there, but where?

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 17:18:08 -0500, Ron Johnson wrote:
> After reading this thread, I decided to install sash.

I did that too. Is there a reason why it isn't installed by default?

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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Charles Baker]

--- Keith Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:12:04PM -0500, Jamin W.
> Collins wrote:
>  > On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:05:18 +0100
>  > "Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>  > 
>  > > I have something bizarre happening: I serve
> some web sites, including
>  > > http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though
> I've stopped apache
>  > > (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web
> site:
>  > 
>  > Apache has nothing to do with whether a system
> responds to a ping.  If the
>  > network interface is up, properly configured, has
> a valid IP and no
>  > filters it will respond to ping requests.
>  > 
>  > (snip)
>  > 
>  > > So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
>  > 
>  > Same holds true for traceroute.
>  > 
>  > (snip)
>  > 
>  > > So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is
> located) caching (aggressively)
>  > 
>  > Most likely not the case.
>  > 
>  > (snip)
>  > 
>  > > Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
>  > 
>  > Might want to take a look at the Networking
> HOWTO.
>  > 
>  > 
> 
>  Ofcourse - doh!  Thanks.  However, the site is
> still accessible through a browser, despite hard
> refreshes.  So, since I am not serving it, then I
> was thinking that it might be cached (or perhaps
> something else) - and therefore not avaialbe to
> everybody?
> 
> Any further thoughts?
> 
> Thanks for your help so far,
> 
> Keith
<>

I get connection refused. Are you sure _your_ browser
hasn't cached the site?

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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Jamin W . Collins]

On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:22:20 +0100
"Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>  Ofcourse - doh!  Thanks.  However, the site is still accessible through
>  a browser, despite hard refreshes.  

The site's not coming up at this end.

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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Keith Robinson]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:12:04PM -0500, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
 > On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:05:18 +0100
 > "Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 > 
 > > I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web sites, including
 > > http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though I've stopped apache
 > > (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web site:
 > 
 > Apache has nothing to do with whether a system responds to a ping.  If the
 > network interface is up, properly configured, has a valid IP and no
 > filters it will respond to ping requests.
 > 
 > (snip)
 > 
 > > So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
 > 
 > Same holds true for traceroute.
 > 
 > (snip)
 > 
 > > So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is located) caching (aggressively)
 > 
 > Most likely not the case.
 > 
 > (snip)
 > 
 > > Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
 > 
 > Might want to take a look at the Networking HOWTO.
 > 
 > 

 Ofcourse - doh!  Thanks.  However, the site is still accessible through a 
browser, despite hard refreshes.  So, since I am not serving it, then I was 
thinking that it might be cached (or perhaps something else) - and therefore 
not avaialbe to everybody?

Any further thoughts?

Thanks for your help so far,

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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Charles Baker]

--- Keith Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web
> sites, including http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and
> even though I've stopped apache (apachectl stop), I
> can still ping the web site:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
> PING dynamiccompany.co.uk (213.131.168.136): 56 data
> bytes
> 64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245
> time=27.8 ms
> 64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245
> time=23.0 ms
> 
> --- dynamiccompany.co.uk ping statistics ---
> 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet
> loss
> round-trip min/avg/max = 23.0/25.4/27.8 ms
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> 
> So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ traceroute www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
> traceroute to dynamiccompany.co.uk
> (213.131.168.136), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
>  1  172.20.103.254 (172.20.103.254)  9.735 ms 
> 25.230 ms  10.375 ms
>  2  rdg-cam1-a-fa00.inet.ntl.com (213.105.91.49) 
> 10.078 ms  14.060 ms  12.956 ms
>  3  bre-t2core-a-pos49.inet.ntl.com (62.253.64.165) 
> 10.900 ms  18.956 ms  50.684 ms
>  4  bre-bb-a-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.57) 
> 12.658 ms  13.755 ms  14.886 ms
>  5  gfd-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.172.150)
>  15.009 ms  15.474 ms  25.388 ms
>  6  linx-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.74) 
> 18.645 ms  55.592 ms  15.737 ms
>  7  linx4.newnet.co.uk (195.66.225.131)  20.428 ms 
> 16.976 ms  27.521 ms
>  8  atm1.th.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.21)  18.044 ms 
> 17.804 ms  20.383 ms
>  9  atm1.cams.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.154)  19.826
> ms  27.832 ms  19.748 ms
> 10  my web server
> 
> 
> Of these, only 172.20.103.254 is unknown
> 
> whois 172.20.103.254:
> 
> IANA (IANA-BBLK-RESERVED)
>Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
>4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
>Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695
>US
> 
>Netname: IANA-BBLK-RESERVED
>Netblock: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
> 
>Coordinator:
>   Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and
> Numbers  (IANA-ARIN)  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   (310) 823-9358
> 
>Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
> 
>BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.18
>BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.19
> 
>These blocks are reserved for special purposes.
>Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.
> 
> So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is located)
> caching (aggressively) or is there a different
> issue?  Can anybody else ping
> www.dynamiccompany.co.uk (who aren't with ntl) -
> this could at least remove ntl from the equation.
> 
> Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
> 
> All help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Keith
> 
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Ping is ICMP protocol. Web servers use http protocol.
Pinging that name first uses DNS ( either UDP or TCP )
to resolve that name to a number. So unless you took
down the box, or disconnected it from the 'net, of
course ping will work. Ping doesn't care about the
fact that you no longer have a web server listening on
port 80. Some implementations of traceroute use icmp,
so that's why it works too. Even if you "killed" the
domain name to IP address mapping, it could take a
couple of days for it to be flushed from various DNS
servers around the 'net.

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 17:02, Noah Meyerhans wrote:
> On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:32:48PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> > Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not have 
> > to
> > make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.
> 
> But we make the decision to include a dynamically linked shell as root's
> login shell, which goes against years of accumulated wisdom in the Unix
> world.
> 
> We try to avoid making decisions on behalf of our user, but shouldn't
> the decisions that we *do* make be the right ones?  This isn't simply a
> matter of opinion.  There is a very valid technical reason that root's
> shell should be statically linked.  Why don't we ship with that
> configuration by default?

After reading this thread, I decided to install sash.  Interestingly,
the default installation doesn't overwrite root's default shell, but
creates a _new_ root account, and even clones the password from
/etc/shadow.
  root:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/bash
  sashroot:x:0:0:root:/root:/bin/sash
 
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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Jamin W . Collins]

On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:05:18 +0100
"Keith Robinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web sites, including
> http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though I've stopped apache
> (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web site:

Apache has nothing to do with whether a system responds to a ping.  If the
network interface is up, properly configured, has a valid IP and no
filters it will respond to ping requests.

(snip)

> So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):

Same holds true for traceroute.

(snip)

> So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is located) caching (aggressively)

Most likely not the case.

(snip)

> Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.

Might want to take a look at the Networking HOWTO.


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Re: serving the web without a web server

[Matthew Daubenspeck]

Just because you can ping the address, it doens't mean the website is
still working.

All ping does is affirm that your local box can contact and
communicate with the remote box; it has nothing to do with www.

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:05:18PM +0100, Keith Robinson wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web sites, including 
> http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though I've stopped apache 
> (apachectl stop), I can still ping the web site:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
> PING dynamiccompany.co.uk (213.131.168.136): 56 data bytes
> 64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=27.8 ms
> 64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=23.0 ms
> 
> --- dynamiccompany.co.uk ping statistics ---
> 2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
> round-trip min/avg/max = 23.0/25.4/27.8 ms
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> 
> So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ traceroute www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
> traceroute to dynamiccompany.co.uk (213.131.168.136), 30 hops max, 38 byte 
> packets
>  1  172.20.103.254 (172.20.103.254)  9.735 ms  25.230 ms  10.375 ms
>  2  rdg-cam1-a-fa00.inet.ntl.com (213.105.91.49)  10.078 ms  14.060 ms  
> 12.956 ms
>  3  bre-t2core-a-pos49.inet.ntl.com (62.253.64.165)  10.900 ms  18.956 ms  
> 50.684 ms
>  4  bre-bb-a-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.57)  12.658 ms  13.755 ms  
> 14.886 ms
>  5  gfd-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.172.150)  15.009 ms  15.474 ms  
> 25.388 ms
>  6  linx-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.74)  18.645 ms  55.592 ms  
> 15.737 ms
>  7  linx4.newnet.co.uk (195.66.225.131)  20.428 ms  16.976 ms  27.521 ms
>  8  atm1.th.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.21)  18.044 ms  17.804 ms  20.383 ms
>  9  atm1.cams.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.154)  19.826 ms  27.832 ms  19.748 ms
> 10  my web server
> 
> 
> Of these, only 172.20.103.254 is unknown
> 
> whois 172.20.103.254:
> 
> IANA (IANA-BBLK-RESERVED)
>Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
>4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
>Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695
>US
> 
>Netname: IANA-BBLK-RESERVED
>Netblock: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255
> 
>Coordinator:
>   Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers  (IANA-ARIN)  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>   (310) 823-9358
> 
>Domain System inverse mapping provided by:
> 
>BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.18
>BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.19
> 
>These blocks are reserved for special purposes.
>Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.
> 
> So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is located) caching (aggressively) or is 
> there a different issue?  Can anybody else ping www.dynamiccompany.co.uk (who 
> aren't with ntl) - this could at least remove ntl from the equation.
> 
> Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.
> 
> All help greatly appreciated.
> 
> Keith
> 
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serving the web without a web server

[Keith Robinson]

Hi,

I have something bizarre happening: I serve some web sites, including 
http://www.dynamiccompany.co.uk and even though I've stopped apache (apachectl 
stop), I can still ping the web site:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ ping www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
PING dynamiccompany.co.uk (213.131.168.136): 56 data bytes
64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=0 ttl=245 time=27.8 ms
64 bytes from 213.131.168.136: icmp_seq=1 ttl=245 time=23.0 ms

--- dynamiccompany.co.uk ping statistics ---
2 packets transmitted, 2 packets received, 0% packet loss
round-trip min/avg/max = 23.0/25.4/27.8 ms
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$

So, I do a traceroute (from a remote box):

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ traceroute www.dynamiccompany.co.uk
traceroute to dynamiccompany.co.uk (213.131.168.136), 30 hops max, 38 byte 
packets
 1  172.20.103.254 (172.20.103.254)  9.735 ms  25.230 ms  10.375 ms
 2  rdg-cam1-a-fa00.inet.ntl.com (213.105.91.49)  10.078 ms  14.060 ms  12.956 
ms
 3  bre-t2core-a-pos49.inet.ntl.com (62.253.64.165)  10.900 ms  18.956 ms  
50.684 ms
 4  bre-bb-a-so-330-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.57)  12.658 ms  13.755 ms  
14.886 ms
 5  gfd-bb-b-so-700-0.inet.ntl.com (213.105.172.150)  15.009 ms  15.474 ms  
25.388 ms
 6  linx-ic-2-so-100-0.inet.ntl.com (62.253.185.74)  18.645 ms  55.592 ms  
15.737 ms
 7  linx4.newnet.co.uk (195.66.225.131)  20.428 ms  16.976 ms  27.521 ms
 8  atm1.th.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.21)  18.044 ms  17.804 ms  20.383 ms
 9  atm1.cams.newnet.co.uk (212.87.77.154)  19.826 ms  27.832 ms  19.748 ms
10  my web server


Of these, only 172.20.103.254 is unknown

whois 172.20.103.254:

IANA (IANA-BBLK-RESERVED)
   Internet Assigned Numbers Authority
   4676 Admiralty Way, Suite 330
   Marina del Rey, CA 90292-6695
   US

   Netname: IANA-BBLK-RESERVED
   Netblock: 172.16.0.0 - 172.31.255.255

   Coordinator:
  Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers  (IANA-ARIN)  [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
  (310) 823-9358

   Domain System inverse mapping provided by:

   BLACKHOLE-1.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.18
   BLACKHOLE-2.IANA.ORG 192.0.32.19

   These blocks are reserved for special purposes.
   Please see RFC 1918 for additional information.

So, are ntl or newnet (where the box is located) caching (aggressively) or is 
there a different issue?  Can anybody else ping www.dynamiccompany.co.uk (who 
aren't with ntl) - this could at least remove ntl from the equation.

Any thoughts?  I'm a bit stumped.

All help greatly appreciated.

Keith


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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Noah Meyerhans]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 01:32:48PM -0700, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry wrote:
> Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not have to
> make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.

But we make the decision to include a dynamically linked shell as root's
login shell, which goes against years of accumulated wisdom in the Unix
world.

We try to avoid making decisions on behalf of our user, but shouldn't
the decisions that we *do* make be the right ones?  This isn't simply a
matter of opinion.  There is a very valid technical reason that root's
shell should be statically linked.  Why don't we ship with that
configuration by default?

noah

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Re: ext3

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 16:44, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
[snip]
> The Red Hat installation is currently running kernel 2.4.18-3 with an 
> ext3 file system.  Woody runs a 2.2 kernel, which isn't ext3 compatable.

See below.

> 1) How do I change the ext3 file system to ext2 without wiping out the data
> so woody can access the files?

There was a previous thread today regarding that same issue.
 
> 2) Does Debian have a precompiled 2.4 kernel that I can apt-get upgrade so 
> that it can pull the files off the ext3 file system?

"apt-cache search" is your friend...

$ apt-cache search  2.4.1 | grep ^kernel-image | sort
This shows that pre-compiled kernels 2.4.16, .17 & .18, compiled
 for the -386, -586, -685 & -k7 exist.

$ apt-cache search  2.4.1 | grep ^kernel-source |sort
This shows that there are packages all the way back to .10.
(Except .11, which was broken...)

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Richard Cobbe]

Lo, on Tuesday, May 21, Sean 'Shaleh' Perry did write:

Where's the attribution?  Who was the OP?

> > Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> > installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> > roots default shell? 

> because the days of static bins are long passed.  

In most cases, yes.  However, the OP has a point.  Consider:

[vimes:~]$ ldd /bin/bash
libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x40016000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x40055000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x40059000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000)

On my potato box, /lib/libc.so.6 is a symlink to libc-2.1.3.so.  If I've
fscked up that symlink, bash won't load.  Certain binaries, particularly
/bin/sh and /bin/ln, need to be statically linked to allow root to
recover from problems like this.  If you don't want to statically link
/bin/ln, then make sure that /sbin/ldconfig is statically linked.

(On my system, at least, ldconfig is statically linked.  Still doesn't
help much if I can't get to it because my shell won't load.)

> if *you* want this, Debian makes it even easier.  apt-get install
> sash.  not only is is statically linked it also includes enough stuff
> to help you save a system.
> 
> Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not
> have to make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.

True, but I really can't see any harm in making root's shell a
statically-linked binary, myself.  After all, how many root shells do
you expect to have running at one time?

Richard


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ext3

[Glen Lee Edwards]

I'd like to begin the process of moving my Red Hat server over to Debian.  
I'm not sure how to procede.  Right now RH is installed on hda.  I just 
picked up another hard drive that I'm going to install on hdb, on which 
I'll put woody.

The Red Hat installation is currently running kernel 2.4.18-3 with an 
ext3 file system.  Woody runs a 2.2 kernel, which isn't ext3 compatable.

1) How do I change the ext3 file system to ext2 without wiping out the data
so woody can access the files?

2) Does Debian have a precompiled 2.4 kernel that I can apt-get upgrade so 
that it can pull the files off the ext3 file system?

If you're wondering why i don't just use the Red Hat install to move the 
necessary files over to hdb, I crashed the Red Hat box on upgrade.  I 
don't yet know if I'm going to be able to repair the damage.  So I'm 
proceeding with the assumption that I'll have to install woody and do 
everything from hdb.

Regards,

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Re: Connectix Virtual PC and the Tulip driver.

[Ben Collins]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 04:10:26PM -0500, David Batey wrote:
> Hello
> I am trying to run Potato on my Win98se machine using Connectix Virtual PC 
> and everything is working even X with one major exception. My network 
> connection is not.
> 
> Virtual PC uses emulated hardware.
> s3 trio 32/64 4m video 
> sb16 sound
> DEC 21041 network card (supposedly at IRQ 1 but connectix says that it is PNP 
> and has to use DHCP to get its address) my install says it is at addr 0108 
> and irq 11 but I still can not ping any addresses.
> It seems as if Connectix refers to Linux as RedHat and they site using the 
> autoprobe to configure the driver.
> 
> Do I need to force my install to use IRQ 1 and if so how the heck do I do 
> that?..LOL
> Or am I using the wrong driver i.e. use the old_tulip? 
> 
> Anyone else run into this?

I'm running Virtual PC under MacOS 9. My Debian install under that uses
the same Tulip driver with the same chipset. However, it is showing up
as PCI based (Not ISA PNP, which it sounds like you are). The driver
autodetects it as IRQ 11, and it works fine.

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Re: Where's the POP3 package?

[Petro]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 05:38:34AM -0700, Paul 'Baloo' Johnson wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
> On Sun, 19 May 2002, Glen Lee Edwards wrote:
> > Is there a way that I can search packages for a file using apt and a regexp?
> dselect has a search feature.  dselect is easier to use than it looks.

Then there is apt-cache, which actually searches more than just the
title and short description. 


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RE:ext3 problems

[Andrew Agno]

You can also use one of the kernels from testing or unstable, which
can mount ext3 partitions.  I believe there are also 2.4 kernels for
potato, but don't know exactly where they are--your trusty internet
connection to google can find them, I'm sure.

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Connectix Virtual PC and the Tulip driver.

[David Batey]

Hello
I am trying to run Potato on my Win98se machine 
using Connectix Virtual PC and everything is working even X with one major 
exception. My network connection is not.
 
Virtual PC uses emulated hardware.
s3 trio 32/64 4m video 
sb16 sound
DEC 21041 network card (supposedly at IRQ 1 
but connectix says that it is PNP and has to use DHCP to get its address) 
my install says it is at addr 0108 and irq 11 but I still 
can not ping any addresses.
It seems as if Connectix refers to Linux as RedHat 
and they site using the autoprobe to configure the driver.
 
Do I need to force my install to use IRQ 1 and if 
so how the heck do I do that?..LOL
Or am I using the wrong driver i.e. use the 
old_tulip? 
 
Anyone else run into this?
 
Thanks 
Dave
 
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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Andrew Agno]

 > > This is caused by having Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN)
 > > enabled.
...
 > Whats that? ECN?

Yes.  Either I misunderstood your question or you didn't read my
message :)

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Re: eject command fails on cdrom

[Vincent Lefevre]

On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 14:22:33 -0400, Robert_L wrote:
> /dev/cdrom here is a link to /dev/hdc (which is the actual device file)

BTW, I had to add the link manually. Why isn't there a link by default?

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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Raffaele Sandrini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.21.2228 +0200]:
> > This is caused by having Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN)
> > enabled.
> >
> > You can disable it using:
> >
> > echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
> >
> > Andrew.
> 
> Whats that? ECN?

do you know about google.com?
  http://www.google.com/search?q=Explicit%20Congestion%20Notification

just wondering. i know it's damn easy to ask *all* questions to
debian-user, they even get answered... but we shan't forget how to
research ourselves...

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Re: ext3 problems

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Glen Lee Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.05.21.2219 +0200]:
> My Red Hat server crashed when I attempted to upgrade it to 7.3.  
> Unfortunately this is the box I use to host a couple hundred web sites.
> 
> I'm going to install a second hard drive and put Woody on it.  I'd like to
> then be able to access the existing files on the original hard drive from
> Woody.  But they're formatted ext3.  Is there a way I can format them back
> to ext2 without losing all the data, or does debian have a precompiled
> 2.4.x kernel that's ready for ext3 that I can just do an apt-get upgrade
> with?

just run e2fsck out of woody on the partition(s) to recover the
journals, then mount them like regular ext2 file systems. one of the
beauties of ext3... don't mount before running the e2fsck, even
read-only!

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Re: ext3 problems

[Jamin W . Collins]

First, please don't start a new unrelated thread by replying to existing
thread.

On Tue, 21 May 2002 15:19:37 -0500 (CDT)
"Glen Lee Edwards" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I'm going to install a second hard drive and put Woody on it.  I'd like
> to then be able to access the existing files on the original hard drive
> from Woody.  But they're formatted ext3.  

Properly unmounted ext3 filesystems can be mounted as ext2 with no problem
normally (ext3 is designed to be backward compatible with ext2).

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Seeking for root

[Jérôme Marant]

Hi,

  Someone reported a bug about Sympa (#147370) with the
  following address:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

  But I'm not surprised I can't reach him :-)

  Mister root, If you hear me, please contact me with a
  real address so I can get more info about the bug.

  Thanks in advance.

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Re: Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Sean 'Shaleh' Perry]

> 
> Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
> installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
> roots default shell? 
> 

because the days of static bins are long passed.  if *you* want this, Debian
makes it even easier.  apt-get install sash.  not only is is statically linked
it also includes enough stuff to help you save a system.

Debian is very strongly against making any decision for you we do not have to
make.  And almost all of our decisions can be overruled.


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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Raffaele Sandrini]

On Tuesday 21 May 2002 22:02, Andrew Agno wrote:
> This is caused by having Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN)
> enabled.
>
> You can disable it using:
>
> echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn
>
> Andrew.

Whats that? ECN?


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ext3 problems

[Glen Lee Edwards]

HELP!

My Red Hat server crashed when I attempted to upgrade it to 7.3.  
Unfortunately this is the box I use to host a couple hundred web sites.

I'm going to install a second hard drive and put Woody on it.  I'd like to
then be able to access the existing files on the original hard drive from
Woody.  But they're formatted ext3.  Is there a way I can format them back
to ext2 without losing all the data, or does debian have a precompiled
2.4.x kernel that's ready for ext3 that I can just do an apt-get upgrade
with?

Any help you can offer will be appreciated.

Glen


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Re: Emacs and shell variables

[Alan Shutko]

Stefan Bellon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The variables *are* already in ~/.bashrc (and they're exported there).
> But Emacs only knows about them if I start Emacs from a bash. If I
> however use a function key I have defined with fvwm, then Emacs doesn't
> start with the shell as parent and therefore hasn't the variables set.
> And I'd like Emacs to have those variables set even then.

Then arrange to have your X init scripts read your bashrc before
starting fvwm.  Which file, exactly, will depend on your setup, how
you start X, etc.

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Re: Root SSH permitted by default (was: how does root run a graphical prog)

[Jamin W . Collins]

On Tue, 21 May 2002 20:50:57 +0100
"Colin Watson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Somebody who's allowed to run processes as you can, e.g., hijack your X
> display and install a keystroke logger.

Correct.  However, this is still an extra step for the would-be cracker. 
Security is all about layering defenses (the stronger the better). 
Eliminating any layer willy-nilly is not a good idea.  Given enough time
and computing power someone could crack a private key from a public key. 
Doesn't mean that you should just toss out keyed encryption.

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RE:Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Andrew Agno]

This is caused by having Explicit Congestion Notification (ECN)
enabled.

You can disable it using:

echo "0" > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/tcp_ecn

Andrew.


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Re: eject command fails on cdrom

[Robert Rakowicz]

Riaan Rottier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Hi,
> When I try to eject a cd using the eject command, the system returns the
> error: 
> 
> eject: unable to eject, last error: Inappropriate ioctl for device
> 
> It used to work a few months back and I updated some packages since then
> but I made no other changes to my system. I am running Woody.
> 
> Any advice??

try to say "eject /cdrom"

Pozdrawiam/Gruß/Regards
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Re: Not able to connect to nvidia.com

[Ron Johnson]

On Tue, 2002-05-21 at 14:47, Raffaele Sandrini wrote:
> Hi
> 
> Its funny... I am not able to connect to www.nvidia.com from my linux box. I 
> tried several browsers (konqy, netscape, lynx). Everytime i get a serer 
> timeout error.
> I have on the same machine win2k installed from where i am prefectly able to 
> connect to the site.
> 
> I have no problems with the internet on my linux box...
> 
> Has anyone a suggestion to that strange problem?

Works for me...  
  Woody x86
  kernel 2.4.18
  Mozilla 1.0rc2
  links 0.96.20020409-2

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Serious "Bug" in most major Linux distros.

[Petro]

This is something that has been bothering me for a while now. 

See, you guys who put these distributions together are pretty
bright. It takes a lot of work, and I see a lot of the discussions
that go in to figuring out all the nit-picky little details that
give polish to a distribution. 

However, one thing is driving me absolutely Bug F*** crazy. 

I use, or have used several versions of RedHat and SuSe, and now I'm
on my second "version" of Debian. 

Why the sam hell is there not, by default, no questions asked, it's
installed because it's *right*, a statically linked /sbin/sh as
roots default shell? 


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isdn (ipppd)

[Christian Schoenebeck]

Hi!

I'm fighting with the problem that ipppd doesn't connect correctly to my ISP. 
It dials, connects, but also disconnects immediately after that. So I had a 
look at /var/log/isdn/isdnlog and noticed that ipppd calls the wrong number. 
Instead of just calling REMOTEMSN, it always calls:

+COUNTRYCODE AREACODE/REMOTEMSN

and also cuts the last number(s) in REMOTEMSN to a 9 digit number. Is this 
the normal behaviour, and if yes, where can I change it.

And as I'm already asking: ipppd (unlike pppd) handles just one ISP number, 
right? Then what is the sense behind the last block of /etc/isdn/isdn.conf:
...
[NUMBER]
NUMBER = 019282500
ALIAS = surflos Internet by Call
COMMENT1 = 01019019282500 (User:beliebig; pw:beliebig)

[NUMBER]
NUMBER = 01929
ALIAS = 01019Freenet
COMMENT1 = 0101901929 (User:beliebig; pw:beliebig) (Mobilcom)

Future purpose?

Regards,

Christian Schoenebeck

(please cc me)


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