Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Barney Wrightson

Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "vanilli" == vanilli   writes:
> 
> vanilli> How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns?
> 
> Since I live in the USA, the legality of my using my DVD ROM drive to
> watch legally obtained DVDs under Linux is at best questionable, and
> probably outright illegal. It's due to this grandiosely titled law
> called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).
> 
> But I guess you already knew this somewhere..
> 
> 
> 

At least here in Aus we have knocked that on its head, at least in regard
to mod chips. The was recently a court ruling against sony, allowing 
people to legally install mod chips in playstations.

Barney


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apt-get conflict: php4-pear and php4-pear-log

2002-10-02 Thread David Shaw

Hi,

I'm trying to install imp3 from the testing distribution using apt-get, but
the install breaks because there's a conflict between the php4-pear and
php4-pear-log packages.

If I isolate the php4-pear packages, I can install php4-pear correctly.

--
root@itvgw02:/usr/share/horde # apt-get install php4-pear
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  php4-pear
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 147  not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/222kB of archives. After unpacking 1159kB will be used.
Selecting previously deselected package php4-pear.
(Reading database ... 27014 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking php4-pear (from .../php4-pear_4%3a4.1.2-4_all.deb) ...
Setting up php4-pear (4.1.2-4) ...
--

When I try and install php4-pear-log I get the following:

--ro
ot@itvgw02:/usr/share/horde # apt-get install php4-pear-log
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  php4-pear-log
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 147  not upgraded.
Need to get 9752B of archives. After unpacking 86.0kB will be used.
Get:1 http://mirror.aarnet.edu.au testing/main php4-pear-log 1.1-2 [9752B]
Fetched 9752B in 0s (18.1kB/s)
(Reading database ... 27137 files and directories currently installed.)
Unpacking php4-pear-log (from .../php4-pear-log_1.1-2_all.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/php4-pear-log_1.1-2_all.deb
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/share/pear/Log/composite.php', which is also in
package php4-pear
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/php4-pear-log_1.1-2_all.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
--

What's the best way forward?

It seems safe to let php4-pear-log overwrite the file in both packages
but I can't see how to do that with apt-get.

Is php4-pear-log really required for imp3/horde2? Is there a way to
install imp3 without php4-pear-log?

Thanks,

David

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Oleg

On Thursday 03 October 2002 01:49 am, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]:
> > Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to
> > install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes,  mod chips,
> > expensive Myrinet networks, and how much labor would it take to
> > replace *one* dual Athlon 4?
>
> These are valid points that speak for regular machines rather than
> XBoxes. However, in terms of size and stackability, the XBox beats any
> small tower or similar.

A node can be just a motherboard in a big box called "cluster". It can also 
have its own case, but it will still be just as small. So I'd even say a 
single Xbox takes up as much space as a single regular node. 

The fallacy of such comparison is in that it does not take into account the 
fact that you need _many_ Xboxes to replace one regular node.

Consider a node that is a _dual_ Athlon 4 at 2000+ MHz. To match it with pure 
CPU speed using XBoxes, one will need 6 of them. That's $1000 right there. 
Add the mod chips, labor, network costs, maintenance extras, inability to 
upgrade; and the XBox option just doesn't seem very attractive to me.

OTOH I wouldn't want to stand in the way of innovation, so if you _must_ make 
a Linux cluster out of  Xboxes, good luck!

Oleg


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Re: Upgrading to Woody

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Iram Mahboob said:
> Hi,
> I am new to linux can you please help me in upgrading my kernel.
> I currently have debian version 2.2.19. I want to upgrade it to 2.4.18.
> How  can I do it?
> I have tried to do a


luckily apt-get does not automatically upgrade the kernel. you
can do it manually though:

apt-cache search kernel-image-2.4.18

and apt-get install the one you want, the most generic version
looks like: kernel-image-2.4.18-386

if you have a more modern processor you may want
kernel-image-2.4.18-686 or kernel-image-2.4.18-k7
(see the apt-cache results for full info)

then follow the instructions, you'll have to modify lilo.conf
to add support for initrd, takes only a few seconds, run
lilo and reboot.

nate
(happily running 2.2.19 with no plans to upgrade anytime soon)



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Upgrading to Woody

2002-10-02 Thread Iram Mahboob

Hi,
I am new to linux can you please help me in upgrading my kernel.
I currently have debian version 2.2.19. I want to upgrade it to 2.4.18. How 
can I do it?
I have tried to do a

apt-get update
followed by an

apt-get dist-upgrade.
But i have not been able to upgrade my kernel. Even when I do a

dpkg -l "Kernel*"
I can't see a source or an image of any version later then 2.2.20. Can you 
please help me.

Iram



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Re: On Learning Debian

2002-10-02 Thread jeff

> I wish to really master Debian.  I've run Red
Hat and SuSE; but I have switched
> to Debian, because I have always wanted it--and
I don't like to have everything
> done for me, all my choices made for me, the way
the two mentioned distros do.
> The thing is, having run those distros in the
past, didn't really leave me
> prepared for a "real" Linux distribution like
Debian.
>
> Now, I have printed out the Debian FAQ, and the
Debian Reference and Quick
> Reference, and I am sort of having trouble
geting started.  There is so much to
> learn!
>
> What is the suggested course to follow, to
learn?  I have "Running Linux", but I
> can't really get any new books this month, and
my health makes it difficult to
> read at the computer for long periods of time
(which is why I made the
> printouts).  I've made other printouts as well
(the apt-get HOWTO, Debian
> installation manual, the Debian Kernel HOWTO,
some other things, but where to
> start?)
>
> Any ideas, suggestions, what helped for you,
etc. etc. would be appreciated.
>
> One thing I need to do, is to re-build my kernel
so that I can use the
> experimental USB patch for USB support for my
Sharp Zaurus--and in reading a
> recent thread started by a guy who has a SubWiki
page on building the Debian
> kernel, has left me totally confused!
>
> TIA,
>
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> Registered Linux User #122264, Debian GNU/Linux
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> * Remember To Update Your Linux Counter Info! *

http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/reference/ch-ker
nel.en.html
http://www.aboutdebian.com/
http://linuxnewbie.org/
http://sunsite.dk/linux-newbie/
http://www.ctssn.com/
http://www.tldp.org/
http://www.geek-girl.com/unix.html

and my favorite one that really got me started..
i'm being 100% serious:

http://www.kuro5hin.org/comments/2001/8/13/131727/
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Re: problem with sound card from a newbie

2002-10-02 Thread Sandip P Deshmukh

Kent West wrote:

> Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:
>
>> Kent West wrote:
>>
>>> Andy wrote:
>>>
 I have the same problem and followed your directions exactly.
 I even upped my kernel from 2.2.20 to 2.4.18 and included the Intel
 sound option into the kernel but having same problems.
 On bootup I get the following message:
 Sound Server Message: Error while starting driver: device /dev/dsp 
 can't be opened. (no such device).
 I have done chmod 777 on /dev/dsp /dev/dsp1 2 and 3 added myself to 
 audio group. Here is my lsmod and lspci:

 debian:/home/andy# lspci
 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82440MX I/O Controller (rev 01)
 00:00.1 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82440MX AC'97 
 Audio Controller
 00:02.0 CardBus bridge: Texas Instruments PCI1410 PC card Cardbus 
 Controller (rev 01)
 00:03.0 Ethernet controller: Intel Corp. 82557 [Ethernet Pro 100] 
 (rev 0c)

 debian:/home/andy# lsmod
 Module Size Used by Not tainted
 eepro100 17680 1

 Can someone help? I really miss my music. :-(



>>>
>>> Run "modconf" and see if there's a module available for the 82440MX. 
>>> You'll either need such a module loaded (lsmod shows only the 
>>> ethernet nic module loaded), or you'll need support for that chipset 
>>> compiled directly into the kernel (which would probably only be the 
>>> case if you've compiled your own kernel and included that support, 
>>> which you seem to indicate that you've done). If the kernel sources 
>>> or modules don't work properly, you may need to use an "outside" 
>>> driver, such as the alsa drivers. I had to do this for my onboard 
>>> AC'97 chipset (via8233).
>>>
>>> Kent
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> i did as you suggested. here is the output of my lspci and lsmod. i 
>> logged in as root and did lsmod > lsmod.txt and lspci > lspci.txt.
>>
>> lsmod:
>> Module Size Used by Not tainted
>> nls_cp437 4384 2 (autoclean)
>> agpgart 29824 0 (autoclean)
>> msdos 4668 0 (unused)
>> i810_audio 21248 0 (unused)
>> ac97_codec 9568 0 [i810_audio]
>> soundcore 3236 2 [i810_audio]
>> keybdev 1664 0 (unused)
>> usbkbd 2848 0 (unused)
>> input 3072 0 [keybdev usbkbd]
>> usb-uhci 20708 0 (unused)
>> usbcore 48032 0 [usbkbd usb-uhci]
>
>
>
> It looks like everything is in place, but if I remember correctly, the 
> same could be said for my setup when it still didn't work, at which 
> point I believe I installed the alsa drivers, which solved my problem.
>
>
>> lspci:
>> 00:00.0 Host bridge: Intel Corp. 82810-DC100 GMCH [Graphics Memory 
>> Controller Hub] (rev 03)
>> 00:01.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corp. 82810-DC100 CGC 
>> [Chipset Graphics Controller] (rev 03)
>> 00:1e.0 PCI bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AA PCI Bridge (rev 02)
>> 00:1f.0 ISA bridge: Intel Corp. 82801AA ISA Bridge (LPC) (rev 02)
>> 00:1f.1 IDE interface: Intel Corp. 82801AA IDE (rev 02)
>> 00:1f.2 USB Controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA USB (rev 02)
>> 00:1f.5 Multimedia audio controller: Intel Corp. 82801AA AC'97 Audio 
>> (rev 02)
>> 01:05.0 Ethernet controller: D-Link System Inc RTL8139 Ethernet (rev 10)
>>
>> as suggested by one of the group, i also installed libmikmod. i could 
>> not install splayer - it requires some other .deb package and i am 
>> not too sure how to install packages that do not reside on my cd!
>
>
> If you have broadband (or a decent dialup connection) you can modify 
> /etc/apt/sources.list to point to an ftp or http site rather than to 
> the local CDs. Then "apt-get update" followed by "apt-get install splay".
>
> If you want, you can use XMMS from within X, but do it without 
> KDE/Gnome (for the present time, for testing purposes); use something 
> simple like ICEWM. Kill any session managers ("/etc/init.d/wdm stop" 
> where "wdm" might also be "kdm" or "xdm" or "gdm". Then create (or if 
> they exist already, rename and then create) .xsession and .xinitrc in 
> your home directory with the single line "icewm", and then start X 
> manually with "startx".
>
>> anyway, is there a clue about what is wrong from my lsmod and lspci?
>
>
> See:
> http://lists.insecure.org/linux-kernel/2002/Aug/1046.html and the 
> following posts in that thread.
>
>
> Kent
>
>
i dont know what worked. but here is what i did after my problem.

downloaded and installed libmikmod, splay and aumix packages

got out of kde and ran splay from console

used aumix to up the volume and it rocked.

as kent had identified, it seems to be problem of kde than of debian. 
because the moment i have k running, i cant hear anything. get into 
gnome and all is well!

any solutions for kde problem? it shows device /dev/dsp not found or 
some such thing.

thanx in advance,

sandip

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

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On Wednesday 02 October 2002 10:57 pm, martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0717 +0200]:
> > > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for
> > > evolutionary computation.
> >
> > Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-)
>
> Well, with the 100 DVD players and camserv, we are then planning to
> have 100 different movies streamed to the entire lab when the cluster
> isn't doing something useful. haha, just joking.
>
> > I find this hard to believe.
>
> Sorry. We'll invite anyone to come and visit the first
> Microsoft-sponsored cluster of Linux nodes.

Greetings Martin:

Personally, I also find your quest a bit alarming.  Having said that, I also 
think it is quite amusing.  One must understand that if you succeed in 
building this xbox cluster, it will be a hallmark!  This will either make you 
famous, or infamous, or both!

I just sold an old laptop for US$25.  It was a 486/20MHz with broken pcmcia 
and M$win3.11.  The person wanted it to copy files from another old computer. 
 Why do I mention this?  This person could have bought my other laptop that 
had cdrom, floppy, much bigger hd, pcmcia and was 6x faster, but he wanted to 
play with old software for the pure sake of playing with old software.  That 
was the point really, it was there and he was willing.

I also agree with your conceptual argument: cheap cheap cheap.  I have never 
played with an xbox because of its origin, but I think it's great that you 
are in a land where you *can* do this.  That is a basic freedom we somehow 
started to loose not so long ago here. .

That's about it Martin.  If you get your grant, your xboxes, and Linux 
installed and working, you will be well known :) heehee.

gl

tatah

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RE: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread ellipses

Cool!! I'd come check it out..

-Original Message-
From: martin f krafft [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, October 03, 2002 12:58 AM
To: debian users
Cc: hanspeter kunz
Subject: Re: OT: mass installation on XBox


also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0717 +0200]:
> > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for
> > evolutionary computation.
> 
> Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-)

Well, with the 100 DVD players and camserv, we are then planning to
have 100 different movies streamed to the entire lab when the cluster
isn't doing something useful. haha, just joking.

> I find this hard to believe.

Sorry. We'll invite anyone to come and visit the first
Microsoft-sponsored cluster of Linux nodes.

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach Preben Randhol <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0717 +0200]:
> > Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for
> > evolutionary computation.
> 
> Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-)

Well, with the 100 DVD players and camserv, we are then planning to
have 100 different movies streamed to the entire lab when the cluster
isn't doing something useful. haha, just joking.

> I find this hard to believe.

Sorry. We'll invite anyone to come and visit the first
Microsoft-sponsored cluster of Linux nodes.

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach Jamin W. Collins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0456 +0200]:
> Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel)
> there's this nasty thing called the DMCA.  Some might interpret the
> modification of the box a violation of the DMCA.  However, IANAL.

It's in Switzerland where the DMCA (luckily) doesn't apply.

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Re: On Learning Debian

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

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I will attempt this one paragraph at a time.

On Wednesday 02 October 2002 10:31 pm, Mark Seven Smith wrote:
> I wish to really master Debian.  I've run Red Hat and SuSE; but I have
> switched to Debian, because I have always wanted it--and I don't like to
> have everything done for me, all my choices made for me, the way the two
> mentioned distros do. The thing is, having run those distros in the past,
> didn't really leave me prepared for a "real" Linux distribution like
> Debian.

Good for you.  It is great to have previous experience.  Now it's Debian's 
turn at bat..

> Now, I have printed out the Debian FAQ, and the Debian Reference and Quick
> Reference, and I am sort of having trouble getting started.  There is so
> much to learn!

The other guide that is important is the Debian install guide:
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/installmanual
Do take the time to read it and then begin your quest a bit more enlightened. 
This is the place to start.  Next, it's time to jump in the water and start 
splashing.

> What is the suggested course to follow, to learn?  I have "Running Linux",
> but I can't really get any new books this month, and my health makes it
> difficult to read at the computer for long periods of time (which is why I
> made the printouts).  I've made other printouts as well (the apt-get HOWTO,
> Debian installation manual, the Debian Kernel HOWTO, some other things, but
> where to start?)

I hear some poor remarks about Running Linux, but I really liked it myself.  
I found a few tricks I never knew by reading debian-user.  The books are 
really kind of nice because you get good exposure to other distro's.  I think 
this can also be the books downfall.  Stick with debian-user, the doc's that 
will be installed on your computer at install time, and of course the man 
pages.  Also, http://www.linuxdoc.org/ has great how-to reference.

> Any ideas, suggestions, what helped for you, etc. etc. would be
> appreciated.

The support from debian-user is my primary backup when I find I am clueless.  
I also read up on lwn.net for security and new stuff I might need but didn't 
yet know I wanted :)

> One thing I need to do, is to re-build my kernel so that I can use the
> experimental USB patch for USB support for my Sharp Zaurus--and in reading
> a recent thread started by a guy who has a SubWiki page on building the
> Debian kernel, has left me totally confused!

I added USB to my 2.4.18 kernel not long ago to support an unsupported web 
cam.  When I say unsupported, I mean really unsupported by the manufacture!  
They don't even support M$ users.  A fellow M$ user gave it to me when he 
couldn't get it to work on his box.  shrug, it worked for me here   :)

> TIA,

gl Mark, I think you really have a great grip on it all by what you have 
already explained.  Happy splashing . .

tatah 

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Re: securing lilo

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Sandip P Deshmukh said:
> while installing debian 3.0, it suggested that i should secure lilo.
>
> i went throught the documentation and could not make out how to secure
> lilo.
>
> could someone throw more light and may be give step by step instructions?
>

how bout some darkness :)  securing lilo won't do all that much. if
your that worried about console-level compromise you need to physically
secure the machine(so the chassis cannot be opened, so no drives can
be accessed), as well as disable the ctrl+alt+del feature in inittab.

If a user wants to get into a system, and is even slightly famillar with
linux, lilo is very easy to bypass using a boot floppy or CD. And bios
passwords can be erased by clearing the CMOS(opening the case). I
personally consider this a strength of linux, systems that the root
password gets lost or forgotten I can easily get in the back door
with linux init=/bin/bash , don't even need a boot disk. if lilo was
protected I could do the same, or go one further and boot the rescue
disk and mount the partitions directly to access the data(I made
a home-made rescue CD which has full support for all kinds of hardware
I used at my company as well as networking, NFS(client/server), PCMCIA,
SSH(server/client) support, DHCP, DNS(client/server), so I could put the
CD in and backup the data if the system became unbootable for some reason.


after all that, if your still interested in looking into this
feature, I ran a quick search and came up with this:

http://howto.lycos.com/lycos/step/1,,9+47+26143+25285+2161,00.html

it mentions redhat, but lilo is lilo, same on every distribution I've
ever used.

nate







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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread martin f krafft

also sprach Oleg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002.10.03.0048 +0200]:
> Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to
> install them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes,  mod chips,
> expensive Myrinet networks, and how much labor would it take to
> replace *one* dual Athlon 4?

These are valid points that speak for regular machines rather than
XBoxes. However, in terms of size and stackability, the XBox beats any
small tower or similar.

> Our lab had to write a specific grant application for a Linux
> cluster. I just don't think a grant application asking for well over
> $20,000 to buy Xboxes, mod chips and network hardware has even the
> slightest chance of being approved. 

Well, you let that be our problem, okay?

> And even *if* one goes through the process of raising the money
> necessary for this, if Microsoft comes out with the new Xbox version
> that resists hacking by that time, you may just get stuck with 100
> game consoles.

We're no fools, okay?

> As to the legal issues, IANAL and I don't even know under which
> jurisdiction you live. Consider my ealier statement a friendly
> suggestion to consult one.

I can't imagine a single law that would forbid me to do something with
a product I acquired, as long as that something isn't in disagreement
with the law. But since we ain't pirating or hacking, there's really
nothing wrong with installing Linux on an XBox...

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chatscript abort string for tri-tone?

2002-10-02 Thread Aaron Maxwell

I have a dialup PPP connection, which of course uses the 'chat' program.  
What abort string can I give chat that will cause it to abort when it 
hears a tri-tone?

(By tri-tone, I mean the low, middle, and high-pitch beep, followed by 
the a voice saying "Sorry, the number you are trying to reach has been 
disconnected" or other things.  In my case, the voice says "We're 
sorry, all circuits are busy.  Please hang up and try again later.")

I'm running contemporary sarge, though I believe that won't matter...

TIA,
Aaron


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Re: accessing network - newbie

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Sandip P Deshmukh said:
>  hello all!
>
> after using windows for ages, i am planning to switch to linux. my
> compaq is already a dual boot machine running win98 and debian 3.0.
>
> i am on a lan which also provides me access to the internet. i know my
> machine's ip address, gateway and dns addresses. i use d-link card for
> connecting to the lan.
>
> i will like to have access to network resources (printers, etc) and the
> net. i tried my best but could not do much.

you make absolutely no mention of what kind of network resources or
printers are available and what kinds of authentication(if any) are
required and what kind of network enviornment the system is in(usually
a business has a more strict setup then home users).

If your lucky, your printer is using an lpd either directly(e.g. HP
JetDirect on a Laserjet printer), or indirectly(e.g. one of them fancy
printer sharing/hub/switch combo thingamajigs), in which case I reccomend
installing CUPS and configuring it to point to that printer. I won't
go into details here since you may have a completely different setup
which may require another method to print.

If your unlucky your printer may be shared out via SMB or perhaps some
other means, which makes life a little more complicated. Also how
is the printer spooled to? Some setups have a central server with the
filters on the server so you spool raw data to the printer(don't need
a local driver), and the server takes care of the driver portion, others
(e.g. in a lpd enviornment usually) require a filter(driver) to be
installed/configured on the client in order to properly format the data
for the printer to understand.

In even more obscure setups you may need special software if the printer
doesn't speak postscript, postscript(from my experience) is the best
"language" for printers supported under linux. Others may be more of
a headache.

www.linuxprinting.org is a good resource on what printers are compadible.


For the fastest setup though I highly reccomend using a printer which
you can print to via lpd.

and you make no mention of what other network resources you wish to
access, what specific operating systems those resources use, what
form of authentication etc.  e.g. in some business enviornments which
run on NT domains  you may not be able to access any network resources
without using samba and physically joining your system to the NT domain.

post again, with as much details as you can.

nate




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securing lilo

2002-10-02 Thread Sandip P Deshmukh

while installing debian 3.0, it suggested that i should secure lilo.

i went throught the documentation and could not make out how to secure lilo.

could someone throw more light and may be give step by step instructions?

thanx in advance,

sandip

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Re: chip on guard antivirus warning on lilo

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

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On Wednesday 02 October 2002 10:25 pm, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:
> i have a win98 - linux dual boot system. i use lilo as a boot loader
> loaded in mbr.
>
> when i boot, lilo comes up properly. the trend chip on guard anti virus
> gives an error saying there is a virus.
>
> i have to assure that there is no virus before the booting can contuinue.
>
> is there any way of working around this problem?
>
> being a newbie, i will request step by step instructions.
>
> thanx in advance,
>
> sandip
>
> -=-
> No raindrop ever considers itself responsible for a flood
> -=-

Greetings Sandip:

Before the boot of the computer, you *should* be able to access the systems 
CMOS/BIOS (usually F2 or DEL key, Read your manual how to access yours).  
Once inside the settings, you will find the TREND/away *feature*.  Simply 
toggle this setting to OFF or DISABLE.  Save the settings and boot without 
ever seeing that silly message every again :)  It may take you a while to 
figure out how to navigate around so be careful.

tatah

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Re: chip on guard antivirus warning on lilo

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Sandip P Deshmukh said:
> i have a win98 - linux dual boot system. i use lilo as a boot loader
> loaded in mbr.
>
> when i boot, lilo comes up properly. the trend chip on guard anti virus
> gives an error saying there is a virus.

are you sure there is no virus? maybe there is one. if not contact
trend technical support for an update. or change virus scanners,
I highly reccomend Sophos antivirus though they do not sell directly
to consumers last I checked.

I used to run dual boot a while back(4+ years ago), with AV software
and never had any problems, but I have never used trend either.

nate




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Re: On Learning Debian

2002-10-02 Thread Andrew Luke Nesbit

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Mark Seven Smith wrote:

> There is so much to learn!

That is true, and also explains why learning Debian can be a bit
overwhelming at times.  It took me a about a year before I started to
really feel comfortable with it.

I have a few tips for you:

* Become comfortable at understanding Bourne shell scripts.  A lot of the
  Debian system is glued together with shell scripts, and you can learn a
  lot about the behaviour of Debian by reading them.  For example, if you
  want to understand how XFree86 is "Debianised", then poke around in
  /etc/X11/ and try to understand what's going on there.

* Patience.  Debian is big and complex and has been put together by lots
  of very smart people over a period of about ten years.  Don't expect
  that one person can easily understand it all.

* Read the Debian policy manual.  It will fill in a lot of the gaps.

Andrew.



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Re: On Learning Debian

2002-10-02 Thread Matt Price

hi there,

rebuilding the kernel really isn't as hard as you might think.  I'm a
total newbie, and it was one of the first things I did (had to, didn't
do it by choice).  I've attached a couple of files that really helped
me out -- I forgot who gave them t r Coin or Dman, I think,
but in any case they're gre itsources.  You may need to tweak them a
bit, but they should help.  
matt


On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:31:23PM -0700, Mark Seven Smith wrote:
> I wish to really master Debian.  I've run Red Hat and SuSE; but I have 
> switched to Debian, because I have always wanted it--and I don't like to 
> have everything done for me, all my choices made for me, the way the two 
> mentioned distros do. The thing is, having run those distros in the past, 
> didn't really leave me prepared for a "real" Linux distribution like Debian.
> 
> Now, I have printed out the Debian FAQ, and the Debian Reference and Quick 
> Reference, and I am sort of having trouble geting started.  There is so 
> much to learn!
> 
> What is the suggested course to follow, to learn?  I have "Running Linux", 
> but I can't really get any new books this month, and my health makes it 
> difficult to read at the computer for long periods of time (which is why I 
> made the printouts).  I've made other printouts as well (the apt-get HOWTO, 
> Debian installation manual, the Debian Kernel HOWTO, some other things, but 
> where to start?)
> 
> Any ideas, suggestions, what helped for you, etc. etc. would be appreciated.
> 
> One thing I need to do, is to re-build my kernel so that I can use the 
> experimental USB patch for USB support for my Sharp Zaurus--and in reading 
> a recent thread started by a guy who has a SubWiki page on building the 
> Debian kernel, has left me totally confused!
> 
> TIA,
> 
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# A compendium of helpful tips that I've used to maeke debian work on my ocmputer 
(running ABIT AT7 motherboard, Nvidia video card, USB-only input devices, Lexmark 
Printer, and 
ALSA sound drivers for my onboard REALTEK ALC650 (with VIA 8223 chipset).

KERNEL COMPILATION
Basic Debian kernel strategy:

get kernel source from www.kernel.org, tar xjf the bz2 file in /usr/src, make mlink to 
/usr/src/linux.  Then:

/usr/src/linux  make xconfig (creates the .config file)
/usr/src/linux  make-kpkg clean
make-kpkg -revision kernel.number -append-to-version 
extraversion kernel-image
make-kpkg modules_image
mv  /lib/modules/kernel.number_extraversion  
/lib/modules/kernel.number_extraversion.old

/usr/srcdpkg -t kernel-image-kernel.number_extraversion.deb
dpkg -i {any modules created}


Particular module components I need for my system:

For Nvidia video card:

Need both the Nvidia drivers and the utilities package
nvidia-kernel-src
nvidia-glx-src

Then do the following:
# apt-get install nvidia-glx-src nvidia-kernel-src
# tar xzvf nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz
# cd /usr/src/linux
# (fakeroot) make-kpkg modules_image
# cd /usr/src/nvidia-glx-[TAB] ;
# (fakeroot) dpkg-buildpackage -us -uc
# cd /usr/src
# dpkg -i nvidia*.deb

also I think it's pretty important to have agpgart there


Then for USB:  the problem is to make sure the right usb modules are installed in the 
kernel:  

when I lsmod on my working kernel I get
usbkbd
input
usb-uhci
usbcore

but what I remember is that I relaly need to install 
hid
usb-uhci (dman says usb-ohci for amd systems)
mousedev

also I might need to mknod /dev/ c 13 63 (the numbers at the end identify the 
mouse as usb-oriented)


For Lexmark Printer:  

here's a paste from my latest round with debian.  But stuff only resally worked when I 
rebooted everything and started from scratch.  Also, I don't seem to have the lexmark 
driver source anymore (need to alienate that etc):
1. turn up the LogLevel (cupsd.conf) to debug

2. make sure you're using the "lexmarkinkjet" cups driver.  this probably were you 
went wrong, so I'll provide more details.  You need the a PPD file that uses lexmark's 
filter (the rpm you installed).  This is the "lexmarkinkjet" filter.  I found it on 
rpmfind in a package called something like cups-lexmark-driverdrivers-lexmark.  You 
need to copy this PPD file to /usr/share/cups/model/Lexmark.

3. restart cups, re-add your printer, etc.  Cups should have added your printer to its 
dbase (you can check the error_log)

4. edit the /etc/cups/printers.conf file so that the DeviceURI line reads 
"test:/dev/null" instead of usb:/dev/usb/lp0, etc.

5. restart cups again and hope it works

Good luck.
-Paul



P.S. I can send ya my PPD file if you want

Re: java applets & mozilla

2002-10-02 Thread Paul Scott

Bob Proulx wrote:

>Mirek Dobsicek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-01 14:33:09 +0200]:
>  
>
>>how can I make java applets working in mozilla?
>>I'm running Sarge .. mozilla 1.0, jdk1.1
>>Java is enabled in mozilla.
>>
>>
>
>If you want painless, then do this.  Put this line in your
>/etc/apt/sources.list file.
>
>  deb http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/linux/devel/lang/java/blackdown.org/debian woody 
>non-free
>
>Then:
>
>  apt-get update
>  apt-get install j2re1.3
>  
>
I have had this working at one time but through some series of upgrades 
I now get on my somewhere between testing and unstable system:

joy:/home/paul# apt-get install j2re1.3
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  j2re1.3: Depends: j2se-common (> 1) but it is not installable
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution).
joy:/home/paul# apt-get -f install   
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  locales
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  j2re1.3
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  locales
0 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 1 to remove and 10  not upgraded.
1 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/3389kB of archives. After unpacking 26.7MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Preconfiguring packages ...
dpkg: error processing j2re1.3 (--remove):
 Package is in a very bad inconsistent state - you should
 reinstall it before attempting a removal.
Errors were encountered while processing:
 j2re1.3
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)


Any ideas?

TIA,

Paul Scott

>  
>


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On Learning Debian

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Seven Smith

I wish to really master Debian.  I've run Red Hat and SuSE; but I have switched 
to Debian, because I have always wanted it--and I don't like to have everything 
done for me, all my choices made for me, the way the two mentioned distros do. 
The thing is, having run those distros in the past, didn't really leave me 
prepared for a "real" Linux distribution like Debian.

Now, I have printed out the Debian FAQ, and the Debian Reference and Quick 
Reference, and I am sort of having trouble geting started.  There is so much to 
learn!

What is the suggested course to follow, to learn?  I have "Running Linux", but I 
can't really get any new books this month, and my health makes it difficult to 
read at the computer for long periods of time (which is why I made the 
printouts).  I've made other printouts as well (the apt-get HOWTO, Debian 
installation manual, the Debian Kernel HOWTO, some other things, but where to 
start?)

Any ideas, suggestions, what helped for you, etc. etc. would be appreciated.

One thing I need to do, is to re-build my kernel so that I can use the 
experimental USB patch for USB support for my Sharp Zaurus--and in reading a 
recent thread started by a guy who has a SubWiki page on building the Debian 
kernel, has left me totally confused!

TIA,

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chip on guard antivirus warning on lilo

2002-10-02 Thread Sandip P Deshmukh

i have a win98 - linux dual boot system. i use lilo as a boot loader 
loaded in mbr.

when i boot, lilo comes up properly. the trend chip on guard anti virus 
gives an error saying there is a virus.

i have to assure that there is no virus before the booting can contuinue.

is there any way of working around this problem?

being a newbie, i will request step by step instructions.

thanx in advance,

sandip

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accessing network - newbie

2002-10-02 Thread Sandip P Deshmukh

  hello all!

after using windows for ages, i am planning to switch to linux. my 
compaq is already a dual boot machine running win98 and debian 3.0.

i am on a lan which also provides me access to the internet. i know my 
machine's ip address, gateway and dns addresses. i use d-link card for 
connecting to the lan.

i will like to have access to network resources (printers, etc) and the 
net. i tried my best but could not do much.

i know the information is far from adequate. but being a newbie, dont 
know what is required. may be you can ask and i can provide more 
information?

it is quite sad that i have to get stuck with windows and cant swicth to 
linux simply because i cant access the net and other resources on lan.

i am appending my dmesg for whatever it is worth. it will be great if i 
can have simple step by step instructions.

dmesg:
Linux version 2.4.18-bf2.4 (root@zombie) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 
(Debian prerelease)) #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002
BIOS-provided physical RAM map:
 BIOS-e820:  - 0009fc00 (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 0009fc00 - 000a (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 000f - 0010 (reserved)
 BIOS-e820: 0010 - 03ef (usable)
 BIOS-e820: 03ef - 03ef3000 (ACPI NVS)
 BIOS-e820: 03ef3000 - 03f0 (ACPI data)
 BIOS-e820: ffb0 - 0001 (reserved)
On node 0 totalpages: 16112
zone(0): 4096 pages.
zone(1): 12016 pages.
zone(2): 0 pages.
Local APIC disabled by BIOS -- reenabling.
Found and enabled local APIC!
Kernel command line: BOOT_IMAGE=Linux ro root=302
Initializing CPU#0
Detected 651.493 MHz processor.
Console: colour VGA+ 80x25
Calibrating delay loop... 1300.88 BogoMIPS
Memory: 60100k/64448k available (1783k kernel code, 3960k reserved, 549k 
data, 280k init, 0k highmem)
Dentry-cache hash table entries: 8192 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
Inode-cache hash table entries: 4096 (order: 3, 32768 bytes)
Mount-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 1, 8192 bytes)
Buffer-cache hash table entries: 1024 (order: 0, 4096 bytes)
Page-cache hash table entries: 16384 (order: 4, 65536 bytes)
CPU: Before vendor init, caps: 0383fbff  , vendor = 0
CPU: L1 I cache: 16K, L1 D cache: 16K
CPU: L2 cache: 256K
CPU: After vendor init, caps: 0383fbff   
Intel machine check architecture supported.
Intel machine check reporting enabled on CPU#0.
CPU: After generic, caps: 0383fbff   
CPU: Common caps: 0383fbff   
CPU: Intel Pentium III (Coppermine) stepping 03
Enabling fast FPU save and restore... done.
Enabling unmasked SIMD FPU exception support... done.
Checking 'hlt' instruction... OK.
Checking for popad bug... OK.
POSIX conformance testing by UNIFIX
enabled ExtINT on CPU#0
ESR value before enabling vector: 
ESR value after enabling vector: 
Using local APIC timer interrupts.
calibrating APIC timer ...
. CPU clock speed is 651.4674 MHz.
. host bus clock speed is 100.2256 MHz.
cpu: 0, clocks: 1002256, slice: 501128
CPU0
mtrr: v1.40 (20010327) Richard Gooch ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
mtrr: detected mtrr type: Intel
PCI: PCI BIOS revision 2.10 entry at 0xfb1e0, last bus=1
PCI: Using configuration type 1
PCI: Probing PCI hardware
Unknown bridge resource 2: assuming transparent
PCI: Using IRQ router PIIX [8086/2410] at 00:1f.0
Linux NET4.0 for Linux 2.4
Based upon Swansea University Computer Society NET3.039
Initializing RT netlink socket
Starting kswapd
VFS: Diskquotas version dquot_6.4.0 initialized
Journalled Block Device driver loaded
vga16fb: initializing
vga16fb: mapped to 0xc00a
Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
fb0: VGA16 VGA frame buffer device
pty: 256 Unix98 ptys configured
Serial driver version 5.05c (2001-07-08) with MANY_PORTS SHARE_IRQ 
SERIAL_PCI enabled
ttyS00 at 0x03f8 (irq = 4) is a 16550A
ttyS01 at 0x02f8 (irq = 3) is a 16550A
Real Time Clock Driver v1.10e
block: 128 slots per queue, batch=32
RAMDISK driver initialized: 16 RAM disks of 4096K size 1024 blocksize
Uniform Multi-Platform E-IDE driver Revision: 6.31
ide: Assuming 33MHz system bus speed for PIO modes; override with idebus=xx
PIIX4: IDE controller on PCI bus 00 dev f9
PIIX4: chipset revision 2
PIIX4: not 100% native mode: will probe irqs later
ide0: BM-DMA at 0xf000-0xf007, BIOS settings: hda:DMA, hdb:pio
ide1: BM-DMA at 0xf008-0xf00f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hda: ST310212A, ATA DISK drive
hdc: Hewlett-Packard CD-Writer Plus 8200a, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
ide0 at 0x1f0-0x1f7,0x3f6 on irq 14
ide1 at 0x170-0x177,0x376 on irq 15
hda: 19541088 sectors (10005 MB) w/512KiB Cache, CHS=1216/255/63
hdc: ATAPI 32X CD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 4096kB Cache
Uniform CD-ROM driver Revision: 3.12
ide-floppy driver 0.97.sv
Partition check:
 hda: hda1 hda2 hda3
Floppy drive(s): fd0 is 1.44M
FDC 0 is a post-1991 82077
Loading I2O Core - (c) Copyright 1999 Red Hat Softwar

Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Preben Randhol

martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote on 03/10/2002 (07:10) :
> Because it's a cheap P3-700 that we can put into a cluster for
> evolutionary computation.

Are you sure it isn't for devolutionary gaming ;-)

I find this hard to believe.

Preben


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Re: sshd reverse resolving - takes too long to login

2002-10-02 Thread Jean-Francois Dive

man sshd_config:  VerifyReverseMapping

On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 01:35:40PM +1100, Mike Tone wrote:
> is there a way to stop sshd from attempting to 
> reverse resolve the connecting client? 
>  
> i can see no doco on openssh.org 
>  
> sshd is woody current (3.4p1 from deb)  
> 
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Re: home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Shawn Lamson

try IP MASQUERADING how-to on Google or at linxdoc.org (may have to
spellcheck masquerading !)

Shawn 

--- Jeff Maxson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, 
> 
> please don't spank me here.  I've read the networking and ethernet
> howto's and gotten to the point that I have the linksys standard
> cheap
> 10/100 LAN card (LNE100TX) plugged in, set up using "etherconf", and
> gotten to the point where ifconfig gives me...
> 
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:5A:87:11:5E  
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:358 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:233 errors:786 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1572
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
>   RX bytes:83417 (81.4 KiB)  TX bytes:79686 (77.8 KiB)
>   Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe000 
> 
> my question is, shouldn't there be some way to give it an IP address
> for my home 2-computer LAN?  It's dual boot, and I got the windows to
> work with the other computer on the LAN (also windows), and now I'd
> like to print stuff (using samba) from my computer (sarge) to my
> wifes' printer (windows).  don't I need an IP address to do that?
> 
> Summary: which FM should I RTFM at this point?  I know there is a
> "printing howto" which I will get to later, and there is an SMB
> howto,
> which I have also perused.
> 
> Things look like they are going well, but not sure.  Also, i noticed
> that when I boot, there is some DHCPSOMETHING (I forget the
> "something" part) that pops up, and it sits on it trying many things
> for awhile, and then says it is sleeping I think.  Is this related? 
> I
> know DHCP has to do with dynamic IP addresses, right?  or am I "out
> there?"
> 
> Thanks for any help, all.  No huge hurry, just interested in learing
> linux networking...
> 
> Jeff
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Re: Text console flicker during kernel load

2002-10-02 Thread Neal Pollock

my bad...*without* a kernel recompile?
- Original Message -
From: "Neal Pollock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Robert Ian Smit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 10:21 PM
Subject: Re: Text console flicker during kernel load


> Thanks, I'd like to disable the framebuffer.  Whats the easiest way to do
so
> with a kernel recompile?
>
> Neal.
> - Original Message -
> From: "Robert Ian Smit" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:56 AM
> Subject: Re: Text console flicker during kernel load
>
>
> > * Neal Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 06:35]:
> > > I've convinced my brother to try Debian and just set it up on his PC.
> > > Unfortunately, from the time that lilo passes control onto the kernel
> until
> > > the display manager login appears, the screen flickers on and off
> > > continuously.  It stays on for about 1/3 of sec and then goes off for
a
> 1/3
> > > of a sec.  The video adapter is an ATI RagePro 3D AGP 1/2x.
> >
> > If you are able to compile a kernel, make one without framebuffer
> > support for the console.
> >
> > Otherwise you'll have to look again at what options you are passing
> > to the kernel.
> >
> > On a related note, why use framebuffer at all? It's always the first
> > thing I unset, in case I forget later on. Am I missing something?
> > (besides tux in the boot screen).
> >
> > Bob
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RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Olds

Mark,

Thank you for this. Believe me force is something that has come to mind.
Pending a response from John (above) concerning doing them in sequence now
that I'm already half done, I will attempt this tomorrow.

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

-Original Message-
From: Mark L. Kahnt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 7:23 PM
To: Debian-User@Lists. Debian. Org
Subject: RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup


On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 21:18, Michael Olds wrote:
> Thanks Bob, I'll look into popa3d...I was going to go with an imap
solution
> but I had second thoughts about having people's files on my server...I am
> only going to have a half dozen users and none of them need me for roaming
> access, so I think POP will do for me...
>
> ...now maybe you can get me out of another kettle of soup I got myself
into:
> In trying to get a decent file manager, I listened to the advice of
someone
> who recommended gentoo. It looks great, but it isn't in the stable Woody.
So
> I downloaded and started to install it using dpkg --install  .deb, but
> immediately ran into dependancy problems. Then progressing further, I
> actually think I managed to download all the dependancies needed, but I'm
> hung up in a catch 22: x depends on y so x will not be configured; y
depends
> on x so y will not be configured. Now I have a half dozen packages sitting
> there unconfigured that won't configure and I cant sit or get off the can.
I
> feel I should just get rid of the lot, but half of them are upgrades of
> current packages, and instead of removing the unconfigured new package,
> dpkg --remove xxx tries to remove the original...total madness at this
> point...what do I do just sit around with half loaded packages and wait
for
> Debian to catch up?
>
> Best Wishes!
> Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

Dontchya just luv when that happens? :)

dpkg -i --force-configure-any 

This steps in and configures the unpacked but unconfigured packages as
well as this package, so that when you are in this situation, all end up
installed.

HTH
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Nielsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:17 PM
> To: Debian-User@Lists. Debian. Org
> Subject: Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:49:31AM -0700, Michael Olds wrote:
> > Carel,
> >
> > OK, I got it.
> >
> > It was the permissions on the K-mail client program itself. It was root
> root
> > for userme and root is set to receive no mail.
> >
> > ...now...on to POP3 configuration...I am using qpopper. I see the
> > qpopper.conf in /etc/ but the package installed with no configuration
> dialog
> > and the instructions say to configure using ./configure which I assume
is
> > from the install directory, only there is no install directory...
>
> Those instructions are from the original .tar.gz source.  ./configure
> is used to create the Makefile prior to compiling the program.  The
> source documentation is usually (?) installed as part of a Debian
> package, but since it is already compiled, you do not need to do this.
>
> There is probably something else in the documentation which describes
> what configuration you need to do, if any.  Check the file listing
> "dpkg -L qpopper" and see what was installed.  Check any man pages
> shown.
>
> >
> > ...or...any better suggestions for a POP3 server?
>
> I have used both qpopper and cucipop, but am currently running popa3d,
> which doesn't require any configuration and is both simple and secure.
>
> Bob
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Re: apt-get has turned against me

2002-10-02 Thread Kent West

>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Issac Trotts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 4:48 AM
>To: Debian User; David Pastern
>Subject: apt-get has turned against me
>
>
> 
>Ever since I ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my newton installation
>(from a Progeny Debian 2.2 CD set), apt-get has been fubarred.  
>Here's what's happening.  If anyone has an idea about how to fix
>this I would love to hear it:
>
>beech:/home/issac# apt-get install quake2
>
>Reading Package Lists... Done
>Building Dependency Tree... Done
>You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
>Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>  at: Depends: mail-transport-agent
>  elm-me+: Depends: mail-transport-agent
>  mailx: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
>  mail-transport-agent
>  mutt: Depends: exim or
> mail-transport-agent
>  progeny-bug: Depends: mail-transport-agent
>  quake2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.3) but it is not going to be 
>installed
>  Depends: quake2-data but it is not installable
>  vm: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
>   sendmail but it is not going to be installed or
>   mail-transport-agent
>E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
>specify a solution).
>
>
>beech:/home/issac# apt-get -f install
>
>Reading Package Lists... Done
>Building Dependency Tree... Done
>Correcting dependencies... Done
>The following extra packages will be installed:
>  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
>The following NEW packages will be installed:
>  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
>0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 328 not upgraded.
>Need to get 0B/1009kB of archives. After unpacking 2016kB will be used.
>Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
>Calling dpkg with the following arguments...
>/usr/bin/dpkg --unpack 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
>Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb ...
>debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.
>
>dpkg: error processing 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
> Verification on package 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb failed!
>Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb ...
>debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.
>
>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
>(--unpack):
> Verification on package 
>/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb failed!
>Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb ...
>debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.
>
>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
>(--unpack):
> Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
>failed!
>Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb ...
>debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.
>
>dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb (--unpack):
> Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb failed!
>Errors were encountered while processing:
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb
> /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
>Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
>
>
>Where do I get the signed debs, or how do I tell apt-get to shut up and
>install?
>
>Many thanks,
>Issac
>

First thing I'd try is to manually install one of the .debs with dpkg, 
like so:
dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/[some .deb file in this directory]

You did do an "apt-get update" first, right?

Do you have broadband access? If so, install from a mirror instead of 
from a CD.

There's also a couple of dpkg-related files that you can rename (to 
virtually "delete" them) that can make a big difference in cases like 
this. From teh archives at 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200203/msg03322.html:

>> Your debconf database is broken in some exciting way. Backing up and
>> moving aside /var/cache/debconf/config.dat and
>> /var/cache/debconf/templates.dat may help
>

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RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Olds

John,

No. I did them one at a time. I tried using -recursive, but that didn't get
off the ground. I didn't know about listing them. What would you suggest
concerning this situation, where half of an interdependant group are already
half installed? Can you go back and tell it to install the bunch?

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

-Original Message-
From: John Hasler [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 8:01 PM
To: Debian. Org
Subject: Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup


Michael Olds wrote:
> Then progressing further, I actually think I managed to download all the
> dependancies needed, but I'm hung up in a catch 22: x depends on y so x
> will not be configured; y depends on x so y will not be configured. Now I
> have a half dozen packages sitting there unconfigured that won't
> configure and I cant sit or get off the can.

Did you try 'dpkg --install u.deb v.deb w.deb x.deb y.deb z.deb' ?
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Re: still more troubles with connecting for the update sources

2002-10-02 Thread Nick Hastings


Hi,

* Scott B. Berry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [021003 10:56]:
> Hello there,
> I am still having problems.  I hand coded in the deb ftp.us.debian.or and
> the rest of that line but it just refuses to connect with my modem.  Just so
> people know I am using dialup right now.

Sounds like it could be a proxy problem.


You may need to set an environment variable or put an entry in apt.conf
(man apt.conf) 

Nick.

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad

"vanilli" == vanilli   writes:

vanilli> How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns?

Since I live in the USA, the legality of my using my DVD ROM drive to
watch legally obtained DVDs under Linux is at best questionable, and
probably outright illegal. It's due to this grandiosely titled law
called the Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA).

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Re: Emacs and ALT Key in New Debian Installation

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Heironimus

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:35:22PM -0700, Mark Seven Smith wrote:
> What is good about this?  Does it give one increased functionality?  For 
> instance, does emacs have a use for an  key?

emacs can map both alt and meta keystrokes. It can probably map super
and hyper, too, but I've never tried. On a PC I remap all the windows
keys in X. I also map either print screen or scroll lock to Compose
Character, since both are pretty much useless in X.

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Re: home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad


"Jeff" == Jeff Maxson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Jeff> Summary: which FM should I RTFM at this point?  I know there
Jeff> is a "printing howto" which I will get to later, and there
Jeff> is an SMB howto, which I have also perused.

The FM you need is 'man interfaces' and 'man ifup' (these are pretty
Debian specific). I have not used etherconf, but if you read these FMs
you probably won't use it again!

If you edit the interfaces file, do (as root) "/etc/init.d/networking
restart" and your new file settings should take.

I'm keeping this brief because some of the other replies on this
thread have relevant details, not to be patronizing. Besides, you
offered to RTFM ;-)

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Re: home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Jeff Maxson

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:07:27PM -0700, Vineet Kumar happened to mention:
> * Jeff Maxson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021002 19:31]:
> > gotten to the point where ifconfig gives me...
> > 
> > eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:5A:87:11:5E  
> >   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
> >   RX packets:358 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
> >   TX packets:233 errors:786 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1572
> >   collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
> >   RX bytes:83417 (81.4 KiB)  TX bytes:79686 (77.8 KiB)
> >   Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe000 
> 
> > like to print stuff (using samba) from my computer (sarge) to my
> > wifes' printer (windows).  don't I need an IP address to do that?
> 
> Yes. And btw, afaik, polygyny is illegal (but IANAL). Perhaps you mean
> "wife's" instead of "wifes'"? ;-)

ok, ok... :)

> > But anyway, yes, you do need an IP address to participate on your LAN.
> 
> > know DHCP has to do with dynamic IP addresses, right?  or am I "out
> > there?"
> 
> Yes, DHCP is the protocol by which dynamic IP addresses are assigned.
> It probably does a DHCPREQUEST and/or DHCPDISCOVER.  That means it's

bingo.  DHCPREQUEST is what popped up.

> trying to contact a DHCP server to ask for an address.  Is there a DHCP
> server on your network?  How does the windows machine get its address?
> IIRC, windows gives the option to "get an address automatically" or
> "specify an address manually" or something.  If it's set to "automatic",
> then DHCP should probably work for your debian machine as well.  Is
> there a router or something that on your network that runs a DHCP
> server?  If it's set to something manually, let us know what those
> settings are and we can help you figure out what address you can use for
> the debian machine and tell you how to set it up (TFM in that case is
> 'man 5 interfaces').  In order to print to a windows computer, you will
> probably need to set up samba, but let's get walking before we try to run =)

Holy cow.  Windows is set up as "get an IP address automatically", and
no, there is no router, just a cross-over cable connecting the two.
I'm guessing sticking in a static IP for both would be good, so as to
make sure the IP addresses don't change every time either of us
reboots, but would that make any problems if one of us were to dial
up?

BTW, she is running Win98.

Thanks guys, I appreciate your kind help.  I will check out the
interfaces man page.

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Re: Emacs and ALT Key in New Debian Installation

2002-10-02 Thread Mark Seven Smith

Bob Proulx wrote:

> Mark Seven Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2002-10-02 05:58:48 -0700]:
> 
>>I recently installed Debian (Woody 3.0), and I have Emacs 21.  I have found 
>>that
>>the ALT key does not work.  When I go to use M-X as a prefix, or when I 
>>need to
>>use the ALT key for any command, all I get is a beep, and nothing else 
>>happens.
> 
> 
> I found that too.  I found that if I installed using the PC104
> keyboard instead of the PC102 keyboard that ALT was no longer a meta
> key.  But the "Windows" key was the meta key!  Apparently someone
> thought they would use that extra key as a meta key and moved it off
> of the ALT key.  The bad thing I see is that selecting PC102 or PC104
> actually causes different keys to be mapped as the meta key.
> 
> Does the "Windows" key work as a meta key for you?

YES, it does!  Whoa!

What is good about this?  Does it give one increased functionality?  For 
instance, does emacs have a use for an  key?

I kind of like having a USE for that otherwise useless key! 

In other news: the Linux Counter is getting rid of all records over 2 years old. 
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have acurate records.

If you haven't signed in to the Linux Counter before, well now is as good a time 
as any to do so!  :)

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Re: home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Kent West

Jeff Maxson wrote:

>Hey all, 
>
>please don't spank me here.  I've read the networking and ethernet
>howto's and gotten to the point that I have the linksys standard cheap
>10/100 LAN card (LNE100TX) plugged in, set up using "etherconf", and
>gotten to the point where ifconfig gives me...
>
>eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:5A:87:11:5E  
>  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>  RX packets:358 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>  TX packets:233 errors:786 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1572
>  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
>  RX bytes:83417 (81.4 KiB)  TX bytes:79686 (77.8 KiB)
>  Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe000 
>
>my question is, shouldn't there be some way to give it an IP address
>for my home 2-computer LAN?  It's dual boot, and I got the windows to
>work with the other computer on the LAN (also windows), and now I'd
>like to print stuff (using samba) from my computer (sarge) to my
>wifes' printer (windows).  don't I need an IP address to do that?
>
>Summary: which FM should I RTFM at this point?  I know there is a
>"printing howto" which I will get to later, and there is an SMB howto,
>which I have also perused.
>
>Things look like they are going well, but not sure.  Also, i noticed
>that when I boot, there is some DHCPSOMETHING (I forget the
>"something" part) that pops up, and it sits on it trying many things
>for awhile, and then says it is sleeping I think.  Is this related?  I
>know DHCP has to do with dynamic IP addresses, right?  or am I "out
>there?"
>
>Thanks for any help, all.  No huge hurry, just interested in learing
>linux networking...
>
>Jeff
>
>  
>
Your Windows boxes might be communicating via NetBEUI instead of TCP/IP 
(esp. c. Win95 era). Do your Windows boxes have IP addresses (at a 
Command Window, type winipcfg or ipconfig (different commands for 
different Windows versions - btw, you might tell us what version(s) of 
Windows you have).

If they do have IP addresses, how are they getting them? Is one of the 
Windows boxes set up as a DHCP server? Are they plugged into a 
switch/router/cable modem/dsl modem/what?

You can either tell your Linux boxes to use static IP addresses (edit 
/etc/network/interfaces - see "man interfaces") of let them pick up 
dynamic IP addresses via DHCP, which sounds like the way you've got your 
box configured. So either you don't have a DHCP server (cable modem, 
etc) giving out IP addresses, or there's some sort of communication 
problem between the DHCP server and your Linux box.

Hopefully this'll help you narrow down the possibilities a bit, and 
perhaps provide more info that might help us help you.

Kent



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Re: Mutt and mailboxes

2002-10-02 Thread Vineet Kumar

* David P James ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021002 20:05]:

> interest in checking it. What I would like is to have Mutt default to 
> opening up Mozilla's mbox at 
> ~/.mozilla/default/.slt/Mail/pop.my.isp/Inbox . I can force mutt 

To specify your spoolfile, put "set spoolfile=~/.mozilla/..." in your
.muttrc .  Alternatively, set your $MAIL environment variable in your
shell's startup scripts.

> solution. I've also noticed that there is no .mutt or the like file or 
> directory in my home directory, which is somewhat perplexing.

Mutt will read a .muttrc if you write one, but it won't write one on its
own.

Further places to look for help are the mutt manual (in
/usr/share/doc/mutt, or on the web), and the [EMAIL PROTECTED]
archives, the mutt homepage, Sven Guckes' mutt site, and (of course)
google.

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Re: home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Vineet Kumar

* Jeff Maxson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [021002 19:31]:
> gotten to the point where ifconfig gives me...
> 
> eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:5A:87:11:5E  
>   UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
>   RX packets:358 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
>   TX packets:233 errors:786 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1572
>   collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
>   RX bytes:83417 (81.4 KiB)  TX bytes:79686 (77.8 KiB)
>   Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe000 

> like to print stuff (using samba) from my computer (sarge) to my
> wifes' printer (windows).  don't I need an IP address to do that?

Yes. And btw, afaik, polygyny is illegal (but IANAL). Perhaps you mean
"wife's" instead of "wifes'"? ;-)

But anyway, yes, you do need an IP address to participate on your LAN.

> know DHCP has to do with dynamic IP addresses, right?  or am I "out
> there?"

Yes, DHCP is the protocol by which dynamic IP addresses are assigned.
It probably does a DHCPREQUEST and/or DHCPDISCOVER.  That means it's
trying to contact a DHCP server to ask for an address.  Is there a DHCP
server on your network?  How does the windows machine get its address?
IIRC, windows gives the option to "get an address automatically" or
"specify an address manually" or something.  If it's set to "automatic",
then DHCP should probably work for your debian machine as well.  Is
there a router or something that on your network that runs a DHCP
server?  If it's set to something manually, let us know what those
settings are and we can help you figure out what address you can use for
the debian machine and tell you how to set it up (TFM in that case is
'man 5 interfaces').  In order to print to a windows computer, you will
probably need to set up samba, but let's get walking before we try to run =)

good times,
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Mutt and mailboxes

2002-10-02 Thread David P James

I've recently started using mutt remotely when I'm on campus to check 
for email that Mozilla is automatically downloading to my Debian box at 
home (I log in to my Debian box via ssh from Tera Term Pro on the 
Windows machines on campus). The 'problem' is that when mutt launches it 
automatically uses the mbox file at /var/mail/username. There is such a 
file on my system but little email ever comes its way, hence I have no 
interest in checking it. What I would like is to have Mutt default to 
opening up Mozilla's mbox at 
~/.mozilla/default/.slt/Mail/pop.my.isp/Inbox . I can force mutt 
to open it by using the -f (and, for safety's sake, -R) parameter with 
that long filename, but I would prefer a quicker and more permanent 
solution. I've also noticed that there is no .mutt or the like file or 
directory in my home directory, which is somewhat perplexing.
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Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread John Hasler

Michael Olds wrote:
> Then progressing further, I actually think I managed to download all the
> dependancies needed, but I'm hung up in a catch 22: x depends on y so x
> will not be configured; y depends on x so y will not be configured. Now I
> have a half dozen packages sitting there unconfigured that won't
> configure and I cant sit or get off the can.

Did you try 'dpkg --install u.deb v.deb w.deb x.deb y.deb z.deb' ?
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Re: What are these groups for?

2002-10-02 Thread Bob Proulx

> > > sys:*:3:
> > 
> > HELP: As with bin, except I don't even know what it was good for
> >   historically.
> 
> I can't give you a real reason on this either, but I do know that device
> files under /dev are sometimes owned by group sys. I think some other
> files are also commonly owned by root:sys, but off the top of my head I
> don't remember what kind.

As found on an HP-UX machine:

  crw-r-   1 root sys3 0x01 Apr  8  1998 /dev/kmem
  crw-r-   1 root sys3 0x00 Jan 16  1991 /dev/mem

  -r-xr-sr-x   1 bin  sys81920 Sep 13  1994 /usr/bin/top

There others but these are typical.  Readable by group sys but
writable only by user root.  Programs like 'top', 'monitor', 'glance',
etc. are set-group-id to 'sys' and can read system memory and then can
display information about the machine but can't write to it.
Therefore if they are cracked they there is still some protection
against crashing the machine.

Sometimes people don't understand the meaning behind some particular
configuration.  They look in a directory and see files such as these
and think that is the way everything should be and so they release
other files with the same user, group or mode.  This is true of
volunteer projects.  This is true even in the professional OS labs of
commercial vendors.  Therefore many times a system file would get set
arbitrarily one way or the other without any real reason behind it.
There is not always meaning behind these types of things.

Bob



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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Jamin W . Collins

On Wed, 2 Oct 2002 17:16:58 -0400 vanillicat <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> How is it illegal to use hardware that he legally owns?

Depending on where you live (and in some cases where you travel) there's
this nasty thing called the DMCA.  Some might interpret the modification
of the box a violation of the DMCA.  However, IANAL.

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Re: Viewing avi files

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

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On Wednesday 02 October 2002 05:09 pm, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> bob parker wrote:
> >On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:13, you wrote:
> >>>Using Woody.
> >>>Please advise what program to view avi files
> >>
> >>Install mplayer :)
> >>here : http://mplayer.nmeos.net/
> >>
> >>cya
> >
> >Thanks, I downloaded the K6 binary for my k7 box and installed just fine.
> >When I start Mplayer it just thrashes around for a while and then dies.
> >Any clues?
> >regards
> >Bob
>
> You should really consider installing mplayer from source.
> There are tons of things that are determined during compilation
> (optimization for cpu, etc...).
> It's really not as bad as it used to be, actually for a program of it's
> size it is incredibly easy (I've installed emacs, gcc, Xfree86 from
> source and
> compiled kernels, and IMHO this is easier).
>
> Simply get the src tar.bz2 file, the windows dll tar.bz2, and make sure
> that bzip2 is installed (if not apt-get install bz2).
> Then simply do:
> tar -xjvf Mplayer-XX.tar.bz2
> tar -xjvf w32-codes-XX.tar.bz2
> become root (either with su, or login in as root)
> mv w32-codec-XX/ /usr/lib/win32
> logout from root
> cd Mplayer-XX/
> ./configure
> (this will take a minute or two,
> just look which options are avaiable
> if anything you want is missing
> simply get the relevant debian dev packages
> for example for ogg vorbis support
> get vorbis-dev and ogg-dev)
> make
> (this will take a while, hopefully this works... always has for me)
> then become root and
> make install
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> Bijan

Greetings Bijan:

That is *one* way to do it.  I stopped doing the non-Debian way two years ago 
after battling some of my manual installs.  

My point is that I believe there is a documented Debian way to use 
source code to build a full .deb file so that the user has the power of 
dpkg/apt to add/remove it (the package, doc, config etc) later.  In fact, I 
wouldn't be surprised if there was a mini how-to for this.  Food for thought.

Reading your post makes me want to learn about it just so I could actually 
install mplayer and supporting libs for a top of the line player.

tatah
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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread Jaye Inabnit ke6sls

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On Wednesday 02 October 2002 04:24 pm, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
> I played with gnome 1.4 and kde2, I really couldn't see much difference.
> I only have a 800x600 display and only a 233mhz pentium, so perhaps this
> could help me choose.
>
> Is one better suited to this spec than the other ?
>
> Matthew Joyce
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Pastern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 9:22 AM
> To: Joyce, Matthew; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: RE: Kde or gnome
>
>
> Try both, see for you which one you prefer by usage, not opinion.  I've
> been a gnome user for several years now, and i'm only just trying kde out. 
> Both desktops are great imho, but try them both extensively to see which
> one you prefer.
>
> Dave

Greetings:

I was going to reply to your prior post, but I read the rest of the thread 
first.  Anyway, with the limited speed of your box, you might want to try 
both of them, but it is *very* likely you will like something like Blackbox, 
Fluxbox, or IceWM.  These last three will reduce the sluggishness of your 
computer in graphical mode.  I am really pleased with both IceWM and Blackbox 
myself.  So much so that I have IceWM default on both this box and my laptop.

I really like Kde as well.  It has a lot of features (aka bloat) that I 
enjoy.  I kind of shun away from Gnome, but that is just silly seizure-like 
moments of flashbacks to my installs of Red Hat 6.2-7.3  :)

Now also know that you can add any of these as your "default" GUI if you use 
Gdm or Kdm (these both come with Gnome/Kde).  In my case, after I start x, I 
see IceWM.  From Ice, I can start any other GUI.  Debian makes it very easy 
to choose these on the fly.

Bottom line:  If you have the room on the harddisk, then install them all!  
Try them all out, then remove any of them that you don't like.

hth

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RE: apt-get has turned against me

2002-10-02 Thread David Pastern

Isaac,

I'm not sure if this will work for you or not, but are the said .deb files
in /var/cache/apt/archive/partial by any chance?  If so remove them from
there.  Could be a corrupt download I think.  If they are in
/var/cache/apt/archive i'd be tempted to delete said affected .debs as well.
Go via dselect if you.  Run dselect from the prompt, choose your source (in
this case i'd go with option 6 (I think it's six) which is apt.  Then run
thru each step at a time that is presented.  Check for any required
dependencies.  

Dave

PS I had similar problems to this when going to kde 3.0.3 and this
suggestion worked for me.

-Original Message-
From: Issac Trotts [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 4:48 AM
To: Debian User; David Pastern
Subject: apt-get has turned against me


 
Ever since I ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my newton installation
(from a Progeny Debian 2.2 CD set), apt-get has been fubarred.  
Here's what's happening.  If anyone has an idea about how to fix
this I would love to hear it:

beech:/home/issac# apt-get install quake2

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  at: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  elm-me+: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  mailx: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
  mail-transport-agent
  mutt: Depends: exim or
 mail-transport-agent
  progeny-bug: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  quake2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.3) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Depends: quake2-data but it is not installable
  vm: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
   sendmail but it is not going to be installed or
   mail-transport-agent
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution).


beech:/home/issac# apt-get -f install

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 328 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/1009kB of archives. After unpacking 2016kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Calling dpkg with the following arguments...
/usr/bin/dpkg --unpack 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
 Verification on package 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 Verification on package 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb (--unpack):
 Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb failed!
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)



Where do I get the signed debs, or how do I tell apt-get to shut up and
install?

Many thanks,
Issac




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home ethernet IP addresses

2002-10-02 Thread Jeff Maxson


Hey all, 

please don't spank me here.  I've read the networking and ethernet
howto's and gotten to the point that I have the linksys standard cheap
10/100 LAN card (LNE100TX) plugged in, set up using "etherconf", and
gotten to the point where ifconfig gives me...

eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:04:5A:87:11:5E  
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:358 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:233 errors:786 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:1572
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100 
  RX bytes:83417 (81.4 KiB)  TX bytes:79686 (77.8 KiB)
  Interrupt:5 Base address:0xe000 

my question is, shouldn't there be some way to give it an IP address
for my home 2-computer LAN?  It's dual boot, and I got the windows to
work with the other computer on the LAN (also windows), and now I'd
like to print stuff (using samba) from my computer (sarge) to my
wifes' printer (windows).  don't I need an IP address to do that?

Summary: which FM should I RTFM at this point?  I know there is a
"printing howto" which I will get to later, and there is an SMB howto,
which I have also perused.

Things look like they are going well, but not sure.  Also, i noticed
that when I boot, there is some DHCPSOMETHING (I forget the
"something" part) that pops up, and it sits on it trying many things
for awhile, and then says it is sleeping I think.  Is this related?  I
know DHCP has to do with dynamic IP addresses, right?  or am I "out
there?"

Thanks for any help, all.  No huge hurry, just interested in learing
linux networking...

Jeff

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RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Mark L. Kahnt

On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 21:18, Michael Olds wrote:
> Thanks Bob, I'll look into popa3d...I was going to go with an imap solution
> but I had second thoughts about having people's files on my server...I am
> only going to have a half dozen users and none of them need me for roaming
> access, so I think POP will do for me...
> 
> ...now maybe you can get me out of another kettle of soup I got myself into:
> In trying to get a decent file manager, I listened to the advice of someone
> who recommended gentoo. It looks great, but it isn't in the stable Woody. So
> I downloaded and started to install it using dpkg --install  .deb, but
> immediately ran into dependancy problems. Then progressing further, I
> actually think I managed to download all the dependancies needed, but I'm
> hung up in a catch 22: x depends on y so x will not be configured; y depends
> on x so y will not be configured. Now I have a half dozen packages sitting
> there unconfigured that won't configure and I cant sit or get off the can. I
> feel I should just get rid of the lot, but half of them are upgrades of
> current packages, and instead of removing the unconfigured new package,
> dpkg --remove xxx tries to remove the original...total madness at this
> point...what do I do just sit around with half loaded packages and wait for
> Debian to catch up?
> 
> Best Wishes!
> Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

Dontchya just luv when that happens? :)

dpkg -i --force-configure-any 

This steps in and configures the unpacked but unconfigured packages as
well as this package, so that when you are in this situation, all end up
installed.

HTH
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Bob Nielsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:17 PM
> To: Debian-User@Lists. Debian. Org
> Subject: Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup
> 
> 
> On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:49:31AM -0700, Michael Olds wrote:
> > Carel,
> >
> > OK, I got it.
> >
> > It was the permissions on the K-mail client program itself. It was root
> root
> > for userme and root is set to receive no mail.
> >
> > ...now...on to POP3 configuration...I am using qpopper. I see the
> > qpopper.conf in /etc/ but the package installed with no configuration
> dialog
> > and the instructions say to configure using ./configure which I assume is
> > from the install directory, only there is no install directory...
> 
> Those instructions are from the original .tar.gz source.  ./configure
> is used to create the Makefile prior to compiling the program.  The
> source documentation is usually (?) installed as part of a Debian
> package, but since it is already compiled, you do not need to do this.
> 
> There is probably something else in the documentation which describes
> what configuration you need to do, if any.  Check the file listing
> "dpkg -L qpopper" and see what was installed.  Check any man pages
> shown.
> 
> >
> > ...or...any better suggestions for a POP3 server?
> 
> I have used both qpopper and cucipop, but am currently running popa3d,
> which doesn't require any configuration and is both simple and secure.
> 
> Bob
> 
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Re: Text console flicker during kernel load

2002-10-02 Thread Neal Pollock

Thanks, I'd like to disable the framebuffer.  Whats the easiest way to do so
with a kernel recompile?

Neal.
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Subject: Re: Text console flicker during kernel load


> * Neal Pollock <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [02-10-2002 06:35]:
> > I've convinced my brother to try Debian and just set it up on his PC.
> > Unfortunately, from the time that lilo passes control onto the kernel
until
> > the display manager login appears, the screen flickers on and off
> > continuously.  It stays on for about 1/3 of sec and then goes off for a
1/3
> > of a sec.  The video adapter is an ATI RagePro 3D AGP 1/2x.
>
> If you are able to compile a kernel, make one without framebuffer
> support for the console.
>
> Otherwise you'll have to look again at what options you are passing
> to the kernel.
>
> On a related note, why use framebuffer at all? It's always the first
> thing I unset, in case I forget later on. Am I missing something?
> (besides tux in the boot screen).
>
> Bob
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Re: IMAP Configuration - uw-imapd

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Heironimus

I can't speak for the Debian package, but I use my own build of
uw-imapd. One thing does come to mind - do your users have home
directories? I'm not sure what would happen if a user didn't have one,
uw-imapd assumes you want to start there.

On Thu, Oct 03, 2002 at 11:14:06AM +1000, David Shaw wrote:
> *) is Outlook known to work / not work with uw-imapd?

Back when I first set it up I tested with Outlook Express, and it
worked. It's reasonable to think that Outlook 2000 would, but I don't
have it so I can't test it. All the other IMAP clients I've tried have
worked.

> *) is there any manual configuration of uw-imapd I need to do? (The apt-get

No, uw-imapd doesn't even use a configuration file.

> *) where does uw-imapd log info/errors to?

It should log through syslog using the "mail" facility. Wherever you
have those messages going is where the imapd messages go. Mine records
all logins, but I don't remember if that's normal or if I had to
configure it to do so at compile time.

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Re: Backing up system using mondo ?

2002-10-02 Thread Dale Hair

On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:41, D. J. Bolderman wrote:
> Is anyone here using mondo to backup their server ? I'm looking for a
> solution to backup the critical files/dirs of my server, including the
> maildirs. I read that mondo creates bootable rescue cd's, so it sounds
> good. But before I'm diving into another "experience" I would like to
> hear some opinions of you first.

I've used it successfully to restore a laptop.  I strongly recommend

man mondoarchive

and the HOWTO at  

www.microwerks.net/~hugo/download/new/Mondo-Rescue-Mindi-Linux-HOWTO-9.html

If you back up to nfs like I do, make the boot floppies at backup time. 
Once you understand it, it's pretty slick.  Attached is a copy of en
email I sent someone else about my one restore experience. 


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Sorry it took so long to get back to you but I've been extremely busy
and had plans to restore a laptop that was corrupted, so I wanted to
finish that first.

Good news, it restored OK.  Bad news, being a laptop with pcmcia nic and
backup to nfs, things did not go smoothly.  I believe if I backed up to
cdrom or had a pci nic I may not have had a problem.

Also I should have written the boot/rescue floppies at backup time.  I
tried to write the boot floppy later with dd and cat, and neither would
boot however the data disks worked OK.  Also the CD created form the
mindi.iso image would not boot, L80 80.  I managed to boot the laptop
and run mindi to create the boot floppy and that worked, along with the
original data floppies created with dd.  Then from another computer I
made cdrom disk from the iso image on nfs. 

So lesson learned, create cdrom disks and/or boot floppies at backup.

I use a custom kernel so I recompiled with mondo's requirements and had
to use -k vmlinuz-2.4.18 since I had multiple kernel images to boot
from.  Also -s 700m helps since 650m is the default for for image size.

I strongly suggest you test it somehow, before you need to restore like
I did.  Overall I'm pleased with mondo and will continue using it.On 



Re: Viewing avi files

2002-10-02 Thread Sridhar M.A.

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 09:59:22AM -0700, Vineet Kumar wrote:
   > 
   > The mplayer team reminds that any precompiled binaries are 'unsupported'
   > (whatever that means) because most of mplayer's configuration is done at
   > compile time.  They suggest that the only way to get mplayer to perform
   > decently on your machine is to compile it on your machine.  

I think it is no longer correct. The latest versions of mplayer have run
time optimizations. So, you can download the proper version of mplayer
for you system: mplayer-386, mplayer-686, etc.
   
   > I've also heard that the source tree includes a debian directory so
   > that building your own debs is simple.
   > 

Yes. I was doing that when mplayer had to be compiled on the machine it
was supposed to be run. As pointed out by someone else, just getting the
debs is easier along with the recommended packages.
   
Performancewise, on my celeron 400 machine, it outperforms xine. Maybe
on a very fast machine, xine and mplayer perform identically. Mplayer
shines even on a lower end machine.

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apt-get has turned against me

2002-10-02 Thread Issac Trotts

Ever since I ran apt-get dist-upgrade on my newton installation
(from a Progeny Debian 2.2 CD set), apt-get has been fubarred.  
Here's what's happening.  If anyone has an idea about how to fix
this I would love to hear it:

beech:/home/issac# apt-get install quake2

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  at: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  elm-me+: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  mailx: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
  mail-transport-agent
  mutt: Depends: exim or
 mail-transport-agent
  progeny-bug: Depends: mail-transport-agent
  quake2: Depends: libsdl1.2debian (> 1.2.3) but it is not going to be 
installed
  Depends: quake2-data but it is not installable
  vm: Depends: smail but it is not going to be installed or
   sendmail but it is not going to be installed or
   mail-transport-agent
E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or 
specify a solution).


beech:/home/issac# apt-get -f install

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  exim libldap2 libpcre3 ucf
0 packages upgraded, 4 newly installed, 0 to remove and 328 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B/1009kB of archives. After unpacking 2016kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Calling dpkg with the following arguments...
/usr/bin/dpkg --unpack 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
/var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb (--unpack):
 Verification on package 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 Verification on package 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb 
failed!
Authenticating /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb ...
debsig: Origin Signature check failed. This deb might not be signed.

dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb (--unpack):
 Verification on package /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb failed!
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libldap2_2.0.23-6_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libpcre3_3.4-1.1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/exim_3.35-1_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/ucf_0.07_all.deb
Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)



Where do I get the signed debs, or how do I tell apt-get to shut up and
install?

Many thanks,
Issac




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Re: Ghostscript 7.04...

2002-10-02 Thread Bob Nielsen

Try gs-aladdin instead of ghostscript.  It has a more-restrictive
license and is in non-free (the older versions are GPL'd and exist in
main).  I don't know about woody, but sarge has 7.04.

Bob

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 02:14:37PM -0600, Mike Fontenot wrote:
> 
> The versions of ghostscript in potato and in woody
> don't do an adequate job of converting postscript
> to pdf (for a postscript file that I produced using
> groff, with some eqn equations).  I've been advised
> by Derek Noonburg that I need a newer version of
> ghostscript: version 7.04 (potato has 5.10, and
> woody has 6.50).
> 
> How do I determine if there is a debian package for
> ghostscript 7.04 anywhere, and if so, how can I install
> it on my potato system?  (I've already installed the
> woody version of ghostscript on my potato system).
> 
>   Mike Fontenot
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IMAP Configuration - uw-imapd

2002-10-02 Thread David Shaw

Hi,

I've installed "uw-imapd" using apt-get on my work e-mail server (Debian
woody). I can login successfully using telnet on port 143 (and 123 LOGIN
  and 124 LOGOUT).

However, I cannot get our e-mail clients (Microsoft Outlook 2000 alas) to
connect correctly. The error message I get at the client is:

  Your IMAP server has closed the connection. This may occur if you have
  left the connection idle for too long.

The error message appears pretty much straight away.

I've searched the web for a good hour or so, but I can't find anything
that relates directly to my problem. Nor can I find any error logs on our
server.

My questions are:

*) is Outlook known to work / not work with uw-imapd?
*) is there any manual configuration of uw-imapd I need to do? (The apt-get
   install procedure didn't seem to do much nor suggest any further work.)
*) where does uw-imapd log info/errors to?

Regards,

David

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RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Olds

Thanks Bob, I'll look into popa3d...I was going to go with an imap solution
but I had second thoughts about having people's files on my server...I am
only going to have a half dozen users and none of them need me for roaming
access, so I think POP will do for me...

...now maybe you can get me out of another kettle of soup I got myself into:
In trying to get a decent file manager, I listened to the advice of someone
who recommended gentoo. It looks great, but it isn't in the stable Woody. So
I downloaded and started to install it using dpkg --install  .deb, but
immediately ran into dependancy problems. Then progressing further, I
actually think I managed to download all the dependancies needed, but I'm
hung up in a catch 22: x depends on y so x will not be configured; y depends
on x so y will not be configured. Now I have a half dozen packages sitting
there unconfigured that won't configure and I cant sit or get off the can. I
feel I should just get rid of the lot, but half of them are upgrades of
current packages, and instead of removing the unconfigured new package,
dpkg --remove xxx tries to remove the original...total madness at this
point...what do I do just sit around with half loaded packages and wait for
Debian to catch up?

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

-Original Message-
From: Bob Nielsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 5:17 PM
To: Debian-User@Lists. Debian. Org
Subject: Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup


On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:49:31AM -0700, Michael Olds wrote:
> Carel,
>
> OK, I got it.
>
> It was the permissions on the K-mail client program itself. It was root
root
> for userme and root is set to receive no mail.
>
> ...now...on to POP3 configuration...I am using qpopper. I see the
> qpopper.conf in /etc/ but the package installed with no configuration
dialog
> and the instructions say to configure using ./configure which I assume is
> from the install directory, only there is no install directory...

Those instructions are from the original .tar.gz source.  ./configure
is used to create the Makefile prior to compiling the program.  The
source documentation is usually (?) installed as part of a Debian
package, but since it is already compiled, you do not need to do this.

There is probably something else in the documentation which describes
what configuration you need to do, if any.  Check the file listing
"dpkg -L qpopper" and see what was installed.  Check any man pages
shown.

>
> ...or...any better suggestions for a POP3 server?

I have used both qpopper and cucipop, but am currently running popa3d,
which doesn't require any configuration and is both simple and secure.

Bob


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Re: The Real Problem With Debian

2002-10-02 Thread Mike Egglestone

taken me two weeks to 
> configure on ANY distro.  The point is that Debian is flaky, it is too stark,
> 
> some call configuration tools "bloat", and call guis "evil", but 
> configuration tools are the way of the future, and guis have been around for
> 
> 20 years.  The problem is that these are the same people that work on Debian,
> 
Its too bad you think this way about Debian. Its not flaky, its rock solid.
Debian doesn't have the fancy guis that config everything for you. but thats 
the way it is. I prefer it that way actually.
Debian isn't the easiest OS to configure, but once configured, it works.
Debian developers aren't out here to spoon feed people.

Cheers,
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Inn2 shows empty LISTs after upgrade to Woody

2002-10-02 Thread Iain.

I've upgraded my news server to Woody (I know - I was on holiday and
busy and things...) following the blurb in
/usr/share/doc/inn2/NEWS.gz.

I'm finding that INN is returning empty replies to requests for lists
in /var/lib/news/, like active and newsgroups. It does however list
stuff in /etc/news like overview.fmt and motd.

Looking in /var/lib/news/, I can see that the files are populated as
I'd expect. I've used ctlinnd to newgroup groups, but nothing more
appears from INN.

INN has half a metric tonne of configuration files, so I'm a bit shy
of posting the lot. Here's a transcript, and what appears in syslog at
the relevant time. I'll happily post any conffiles you think might be
relevant.


iain@luggage:~$ nc news nntp
200 kremlinux InterNetNews NNRP server INN 2.3.2 ready (posting ok).
list active
215 Newsgroups in form "group high low flags".
.

215 Message of the day text..
news.morpork.local
==

This is a local server for local people. There's nothing for you here.
.
quit
205 .


Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: Reading config from /etc/news/inn.conf
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: SERVER perl filtering enabled
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: luggage.morpork.local connect
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: Reading access from /etc/news/readers.conf
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: Auth strategy 'localhost' does not match client. 
 Removing.
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: luggage.morpork.local res @morpork.local
Oct  3 02:05:13 luggage nnrpd[31228]: luggage.morpork.local match_user 
@morpork.local @morpork.local
Oct  3 02:05:19 luggage nnrpd[31228]: luggage.morpork.local times user 0.040 system 
0.040 elapsed 6.173


Cheers,

Iain.

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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread Mark L. Kahnt

On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 19:13, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
> 
> So, before I do something irreversable, which is the preferred desktop ?
> 
> Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to love it.
> 
> Any advice please ?
> 
> 

Use twm until things are standardised ;)

KDE has its strengths, Gnome has its strengths. At present, Debian does
not have *fully Debian-classed stable* editions of either KDE or Gnome's
latest generations - Gnome is version 1.4 with a handful of Gnome 2
support modules having made it to unstable (and more, but not all, in
the normally not officially available and supported *experimental*
area), while KDE is at version 2.2 with the current version 3 available
via KDE.

The two systems are each nice, powerful, generally complete, and not
directly compatible with each other. Gnome seems to have a more
heterogenous choice of applications from my experience, partly due to
retrofitting some existing software with Gnome widgets, and partly due
to it originating with the Free Software Foundation (hence the
prevalence of "G" in all manner of names - the GNU nomenclature.) KDE's
applications tend to have started out with a central inventory of
applications, functionality and performance that needed to be provided
to create a desktop environment, and combined with a period of
difficulties over that licensing terms of a key component (the Qt
libraries), tend to be a more homogeneous selection of specific
applications.

Your preferences will likely make one more comfortable for you than the
other. Both have superceded the positions of some other environments
that were otherwise slipping from the list of *most popular* window
managers, particularly CDE. You hear less and less about some
interesting programming exercises such as Enlightenment (not to say it
is disappearing, just that it isn't mentioned as much,) and even FVWM,
OpenLook have slipped from the discussion. WindowMaker and BlackBox seem
to be two of the few that haven't been forgotten in this period, partly
due to ongoing development and the focus each has on its own design
goals.

HTH
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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread D. J. Bolderman

On Wed, 02 Oct 2002, Shyamal Prasad wrote:


> Joyce> So, before I do something irreversable, which is the
> Joyce> preferred desktop ?

> Joyce> Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to
> Joyce> love it.

> Joyce> Any advice please ?

I'm using kde 3.0.3 right now and I must say it's really great and
stable. For some reason I never really got into gnome, and since I tried
to upgrade to gnome2, I guess something weird happened to my system, and
now gnome get's stuck for a few minutes on loading the windowmanager (I
suppose this should be a thread in the gnome list:)

If you want speed, try fluxbox, It's also one of my favourites (tabbed
windows for instance), the only thing I don't like is that there isn't a
taskbar (at least, I didn't find one).

Just my 2 cents:)

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Re: Ghostscript 7.04...

2002-10-02 Thread csj

On Wed, 02 Oct 2002 14:14:37 -0600
Mike Fontenot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> The versions of ghostscript in potato and in woody
> don't do an adequate job of converting postscript
> to pdf (for a postscript file that I produced using
> groff, with some eqn equations).  I've been advised
> by Derek Noonburg that I need a newer version of
> ghostscript: version 7.04 (potato has 5.10, and
> woody has 6.50).
> 
> How do I determine if there is a debian package for
> ghostscript 7.04 anywhere, and if so, how can I install
> it on my potato system?  (I've already installed the
> woody version of ghostscript on my potato system).

The one in unstable is 7.05. I compiled it on my sarge system from the
unstable source. BTW do you really mean woody? Potato is history
;-) Woody is now the stable distribution.


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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad


Joyce> So, before I do something irreversable, which is the
Joyce> preferred desktop ?

Joyce> Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to
Joyce> love it.

Joyce> Any advice please ?

Which is better. Emacs or vi? ;-)

Seriously, they are both equally nice and equally cruddy, depending on
what you do. I picked GNOME, for political reasons, and because I used
to run sawfish for a while before that.

Try 'em both. Pick the one you like better.

Cheers!
Shyamal


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Re: IP addresses for 802.11 PCMCIA cards?

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad

"Grant" == Grant Edwards <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Grant> Can somebody explain to me where the IP address is supposed
Grant> to go for wireless PCMCIA cards?

Grant> I've put it in /etc/network/interfaces as eth2, but then
Grant> you have to comment out the ifup and ifdown lines in
Grant> /etc/pcmcia/network.opts or the card is configured twice,
Grant> and the second time breaks things.

Grant> Are IP addresses for all PCMCIA devices supposed to go in
Grant> /etc/pcmcia/network.opts?

Grant> I've looked at the wireless HOWTO, but it doesn't even
Grant> mention network.opts or wireless.opts, so it's either way
Grant> out of date or written for a completely different set of
Grant> tools.

If you are running Woody you don't need to do anything other than
update /etc/interfaces/networks if your card can be configured with
iwconfig. Just put the iwconfig paramaters in /etc/network/interfaces
with the word "wireless_" in front of the parameter name (like
"iwconfig_essid" and so on). Other than that, everything is standard
/etc/network/interfaces syntax for setting IP as static/dhcp etc.

The pcmcia-cs package was revised many moons ago to do this for Debian
systems.

Cheers!
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Re: sound but no sound

2002-10-02 Thread Shyamal Prasad

"Rick" == Rick Pasotto <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Rick> How do I do that? Is that a gnome setting or does each
Rick> individual program need to be told? I didn't spot 'esd'
Rick> anywhere in the xmms preferences nor do I see anything in
Rick> the gnome sound control panel.

I run xmms under Woody. Under Options -> Preferences look at the
"Audio I/O Plugins" tab. There is an Output Plugin selector. Choose
"eSound Output Plugin 1.2.7".

No, xmms is not a GNOME application, so it can't figure this out for
itself in general ;-)

~$ dpkg -l 'xmms*' | grep ^i
ii  xmms   1.2.7-1Versatile X audio player that looks like Win
ii  xmms-bumpscope 0.0.3.release- Bump Scope visualization plugin for XMMS
ii  xmms-jess  2.9.1-3An XMMS visualization plugin using various 2
ii  xmms-msa   0.5.5-2spectrum analyzer plugin for XMMS with skin 
ii  xmms-qbble 1.2-5  XMMS playlist manager with search support
ii  xmms-status-pl 0.9-1  Status panel applet for XMMS
ii  xmms-synaesthe 0.0.3-4Synaesthesia visualization plugin for XMMS
ii  xmms-volnorm   0.8.1-2XMMS plugin that gives all songs the same vo
ii  xmms-wmdiscotu 1.3-1  Tux dancing to the music played by xmms


Cheers!
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Backing up system using mondo ?

2002-10-02 Thread D. J. Bolderman

Is anyone here using mondo to backup their server ? I'm looking for a
solution to backup the critical files/dirs of my server, including the
maildirs. I read that mondo creates bootable rescue cd's, so it sounds
good. But before I'm diving into another "experience" I would like to
hear some opinions of you first.

Thanks alot,
Dick

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RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Joyce, Matthew

I have used qpopper with no issues, but in the end I settled on uw-imapd,
also with no problems and very very easy install.

It just worked.

Matthew Joyce



-Original Message-
From: Michael Olds [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 4:50 AM
To: Carel Fellinger; Debian-User@Lists. Debian. Org
Subject: RE: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup


Carel,

OK, I got it.

It was the permissions on the K-mail client program itself. It was root root
for userme and root is set to receive no mail.

...now...on to POP3 configuration...I am using qpopper. I see the
qpopper.conf in /etc/ but the package installed with no configuration dialog
and the instructions say to configure using ./configure which I assume is
from the install directory, only there is no install directory...

...or...any better suggestions for a POP3 server?

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org


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Re: OT: Perhaps Linux will set the hardware standards?

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Nelson

Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> This is very off-topic, but I just had a thought that I felt strongly
> enough to share.
>
> Right now, hardware manufacturers, like video card makers, make their
> hardware so that each has different interfaces (APIs, etc) that must be
> dealt with in drivers, and often that information is kept proprietary,
> which makes it difficult for XFree86 developers (and company) to get
> things working for every little card out there.
>
> As Linux gains dominance on the desktop (notice I didn't say "if", but
> implied "when"), is it out of line to think that perhaps the XFree86
> developers could set the API standards instead of the hardware
> manufacturers doing so?
>
> In other words, perhaps some day the developers can say "Here's the
> interface specs; make your hardware work with it if you want to sell
> your cards."
>
> Pipe dream? Fantasy? Stupid innovation-stifling idea? Good idea? What?

Isn't this the same idea as VESA?

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Re: Email (Solved)...next...POP3 setup

2002-10-02 Thread Bob Nielsen

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:49:31AM -0700, Michael Olds wrote:
> Carel,
> 
> OK, I got it.
> 
> It was the permissions on the K-mail client program itself. It was root root
> for userme and root is set to receive no mail.
> 
> ...now...on to POP3 configuration...I am using qpopper. I see the
> qpopper.conf in /etc/ but the package installed with no configuration dialog
> and the instructions say to configure using ./configure which I assume is
> from the install directory, only there is no install directory...

Those instructions are from the original .tar.gz source.  ./configure
is used to create the Makefile prior to compiling the program.  The
source documentation is usually (?) installed as part of a Debian
package, but since it is already compiled, you do not need to do this. 

There is probably something else in the documentation which describes
what configuration you need to do, if any.  Check the file listing
"dpkg -L qpopper" and see what was installed.  Check any man pages
shown.

> 
> ...or...any better suggestions for a POP3 server?

I have used both qpopper and cucipop, but am currently running popa3d,
which doesn't require any configuration and is both simple and secure.

Bob


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Re: What are these groups for?

2002-10-02 Thread Brian Nelson

Joey Hess <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> www-data:*:33:
>
> Some web browsers run as www-data. Web content should *not* be
   
   servers (e.g. apache)

> owned by this user, or a compromised web server would be able to
> rewrite a web site. Data written out by web servers, including
> log files, will be owned by www-data.

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Re: Viewing avi files

2002-10-02 Thread Bijan Soleymani

bob parker wrote:

>On Thu, 3 Oct 2002 02:13, you wrote:
>  
>
>>>Using Woody.
>>>Please advise what program to view avi files
>>>  
>>>
>>Install mplayer :)
>>here : http://mplayer.nmeos.net/
>>
>>cya
>>
>>
>Thanks, I downloaded the K6 binary for my k7 box and installed just fine.
>When I start Mplayer it just thrashes around for a while and then dies.
>Any clues?
>regards
>Bob
>
>
>  
>
You should really consider installing mplayer from source.
There are tons of things that are determined during compilation
(optimization for cpu, etc...).
It's really not as bad as it used to be, actually for a program of it's
size it is incredibly easy (I've installed emacs, gcc, Xfree86 from 
source and
compiled kernels, and IMHO this is easier).

Simply get the src tar.bz2 file, the windows dll tar.bz2, and make sure
that bzip2 is installed (if not apt-get install bz2).
Then simply do:
tar -xjvf Mplayer-XX.tar.bz2
tar -xjvf w32-codes-XX.tar.bz2
become root (either with su, or login in as root)
mv w32-codec-XX/ /usr/lib/win32
logout from root
cd Mplayer-XX/
./configure
(this will take a minute or two,
just look which options are avaiable
if anything you want is missing
simply get the relevant debian dev packages
for example for ogg vorbis support
get vorbis-dev and ogg-dev)
make
(this will take a while, hopefully this works... always has for me)
then become root and
make install

This will get everything going except the GUI and the subtitle fonts...
Avi files, DVDs, etc will work just fine.

when running mplayer you can specify video and audio output with -vo and 
-ao options
to get a list of them run
mplayer -vo help
mplayer -ao help

if you always use xv output you could put
vo=xv
in your ~/.mplayer/config file

That should be about it.

Hope that helps,
Bijan



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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread jeff

> So, before I do something irreversable, which is
the preferred desktop ?
>

irreversable <--  you need to get used to not
using this word when talking about gnu/linux
distro's  :-)

> Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other
seems to love it.
>

i don't really care for either of them  :-)

> Any advice please ?
>

your best bet is to install 3 or 4 desktops. play
with them all. i find that learning at least 2 of
them solid will keep your interest long enough to
realize that you're playing with some serious
power. both kde and gnome are very snazzy..  each
comes with it's own brand of config tools and
desktop goodies. which one is better? you decide..
that's half the fun. if you want serious eye candy
with crazy amounts of configs, i would say kde. if
you want sort of plain-but-powerful, i would say
go with gnome (although, beware of 'nautilus' -
great app but kind of a resource hog IMO).

for fun, install the following and try them out
(unless of course, space on your hd is an issue):

kde
gnome
fluxbox
windowmaker

the latter two being my absolute favorites. play
with them all and see what you like.. there's like
a million x-tops out there. but these will give
you a great start!

happy hacking and enjoy! remember, it's not about
'what's best'..  it's about CHOICE. to me, that
means more than any eye candy will ever deliver.

good luck in your quest!

-jeff


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Re: IP addresses for 802.11 PCMCIA cards?

2002-10-02 Thread Siraj 'Sid' Rakhada



--On Wednesday, October 02, 2002 17:19:22 -0500 Grant Edwards 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> Can somebody explain to me where the IP address is supposed to
> go for wireless PCMCIA cards?
>
> I've put it in /etc/network/interfaces as eth2, but then you
> have to comment out the ifup and ifdown lines in
> /etc/pcmcia/network.opts or the card is configured twice, and
> the second time breaks things.
>
> Are IP addresses for all PCMCIA devices supposed to go in
> /etc/pcmcia/network.opts?

Not necessarily I think, the version of the pcmcia-cs I have (3.1.33-6) 
has a modification on the end of the /etc/pcmcia/network.opts file 
which shows it can use the /etc/network/interfaces file - the bit you 
commented out in fact.

I personally didn't use the /etc/pcmcia/network.opts file, I do now, 
but I'm doing weird/stupid things now.

I currently have a slightly broken setup at the moment, but something 
like this used to work:

(in /etc/network/interfaces)

auto eth0
iface eth0 inet static
address 10.1.2.5
netmask 255.255.255.0
network 10.1.2.0
broadcast 10.1.2.255
gateway 10.1.2.1
wireless_mode managed
wireless_essid "essid"
wireless_key 1234-5678-12

when I didn't have wep on (I was just playing with it) I could use 
tools like laptop-netconf quite well to automatically configure the 
network on the laptop.

> I've looked at the wireless HOWTO, but it doesn't even mention
> network.opts or wireless.opts, so it's either way out of date
> or written for a completely different set of tools.

I think the docs could probably be a little clearer in places, I'm not 
going to complain though because I'm pretty sure I couldn't do a better 
job ;)

Regards,

Sid


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Re: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Joyce, Matthew said:
>
> So, before I do something irreversable, which is the preferred desktop ?
>
> Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to love it.
>

I use neither, it depends on your needs. I have been using afterstep
for at least 3 years I think, and enjoy it, it gets out of my way,
is quite snappy, and I love the window management it offers.

I use it even on my fastest system - athlon 1300, 768MB ram ultrawide
scsi.

nate




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Re: afio und CD-R

2002-10-02 Thread Colin Watson

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 11:35:37PM +0200, Christoph Claus wrote:
> P.S. Bitte schicke *immer* eine Kopie Deiner Mail an die Liste!

Aber ist debian-user die korrekte Liste? Hier spricht man normalerweise
Englisch. Sie bedeuten vielleicht debian-user-german anstatt.

(For non-German speakers: "But is debian-user the correct list? The
normal language here is English. Perhaps you mean debian-user-german
instead.")

Apologies for my rusty German skills.

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Re: still more troubles with connecting for the update sources

2002-10-02 Thread Stephen Gran

This one time, at band camp, Scott B. Berry said:
> Hello there,
> I am still having problems.  I hand coded in the deb ftp.us.debian.or and
> the rest of that line but it just refuses to connect with my modem.  Just so
> people know I am using dialup right now.
> Scott Berry
Can you post the relevant sources, and the exact error message?
Earlier, it sounded like DNS failure (either bad address, or DNS lookup
failed) but to help, I'd need to know exactly how it's failing.  Being
on a dialup vs. ethernet shouldn't matter so much for this (except that
it takes longer)

Steve
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RE: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread Joyce, Matthew

I played with gnome 1.4 and kde2, I really couldn't see much difference.
I only have a 800x600 display and only a 233mhz pentium, so perhaps this
could help me choose.

Is one better suited to this spec than the other ?

Matthew Joyce



-Original Message-
From: David Pastern [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 9:22 AM
To: Joyce, Matthew; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: Kde or gnome


Try both, see for you which one you prefer by usage, not opinion.  I've been
a gnome user for several years now, and i'm only just trying kde out.  Both
desktops are great imho, but try them both extensively to see which one you
prefer.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 9:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Kde or gnome


 

So, before I do something irreversable, which is the preferred desktop ?

Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to love it.

Any advice please ?


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RE: Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread David Pastern

Try both, see for you which one you prefer by usage, not opinion.  I've been
a gnome user for several years now, and i'm only just trying kde out.  Both
desktops are great imho, but try them both extensively to see which one you
prefer.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Joyce, Matthew [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, 3 October 2002 9:13 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Kde or gnome


 

So, before I do something irreversable, which is the preferred desktop ?

Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to love it.

Any advice please ?


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Re: login: cannot cd /home/user

2002-10-02 Thread Michael West

I figured this out.  It turns out that the "." directories
/. and /.. had permissions 700 when they should have been 755.

If you know why this should be I would be interested.  root's umask is
0002.

 ~Michael

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 08:53:40AM -0700, Michael West wrote:
> I copied my root file system onto a seperate partition.  When I try to
> boot into new partition as / I cannot login.
> 
> I get the error:
> cannot cd /home/user
> 
> When I boot normally and chroot into the new partition and run login I
> get:
> 
> cannot determine tty name
> 
> I copied devices ( and everything else ) with `cp -a`  I have done this
> before many times without a problem.  
> 
> What should I be looking at to understand what is happening?
> 
> ~Michael
> 
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Kde or gnome

2002-10-02 Thread Joyce, Matthew


So, before I do something irreversable, which is the preferred desktop ?

Some peolle seem not to like kde (3) and other seems to love it.

Any advice please ?


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RE: File Manager Suggestions?

2002-10-02 Thread Shawn Lamson

i have an additional question (and forgive me b/c I didnt read about
gentoo, just looked at the screen shots) - can you drag and drop files
from one dir to the other?  Gentoo looks a lot like "worker"
http://packages.debian.org/unstable/x11/worker.html
or
http://www.boomerangsworld.de/worker

Shawn

--- Michael Olds <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> jeff,
> 
> Gentoo looks interesting, one question: If you double click a
> directory on
> the left hand side does it show the contents on the right? The
> screenshots
> don't make it clear if this can be done.
> 
> Best Wishes!
> Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org
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Re: CD R/W

2002-10-02 Thread Gerard Robin

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 12:02:34AM +0100, Peter Whysall wrote:
> On Wed, 2002-10-02 at 00:05, Gerard Robin wrote:
> > On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 10:32:27PM +, Gerard Robin wrote:
> > On Mon, Sep 30, 2002 at 10:58:27AM +0200, Olivier Esser wrote:

> > append = "apm=on apm=power-of idebus=N hdc=ide-scsi hdd=ide-scsi max_scsi_luns=1"
> > ( N = 33 or 66 ...)
> 
> Well, that's interesting. I didn't have to do this. In fact, I didn't
> change my grub config at all. And it worked.

Sorry I use still the old friend lilo ...  
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Re: What are these groups for?

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Heironimus

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 06:51:04PM -0400, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> From kdm any user can reboot/shutdown (at least in my machine) Is this 
> an anomaly?

No, KDM and GDM both run as root and allow a console user to reboot or
shut down the machine. I think both allow it by default but can be
configured to require a root password. It's a useful thing for a
workstation.

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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Matthew Daubenspeck

> Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install 
> them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes,  mod chips, expensive Myrinet 
> networks, and how much labor would it take to replace *one* dual Athlon 4?
> 
> Striclty speaking, for some hard problems, where "connectivity" is very 
> important, even 100 XBoxes working together will not reach the same 
> performance. 
> 
> Luckily, most interesting number-crunching problems fall somewhere in the 
> middle: connetivity is important, but some parallelization is possible.
> 
> Our lab had to write a specific grant application for a Linux cluster. I just 
> don't think a grant application asking for well over $20,000 to buy Xboxes, 
> mod chips and network hardware has even the slightest chance of being 
> approved. 
> 
> And even *if* one goes through the process of raising the money necessary for 
> this, if Microsoft comes out with the new Xbox version that resists hacking 
> by that time, you may just get stuck with 100 game consoles.
> 
> As to the legal issues, IANAL and I don't even know under which jurisdiction 
> you live. Consider my ealier statement a friendly suggestion to consult one.

Ugh. I have to tell you, why is everyone so damned worried about "why
would you want to do it."

Why? Because it's possible.


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Re: OT: mass installation on XBox

2002-10-02 Thread Oleg

On Wednesday 02 October 2002 04:47 pm, martin f krafft wrote:
> Where else do you get a 700 MHz P3 with 64Mb and 8Gb hdd with network
> support for $200? Aside, Debian runs on it, so why worry?

Firstly, you need a mod chip for each Xbox. Secondly, you need to install 
them into each Xbox. Thirdly, how many Xboxes,  mod chips, expensive Myrinet 
networks, and how much labor would it take to replace *one* dual Athlon 4?

Striclty speaking, for some hard problems, where "connectivity" is very 
important, even 100 XBoxes working together will not reach the same 
performance. 

Luckily, most interesting number-crunching problems fall somewhere in the 
middle: connetivity is important, but some parallelization is possible.

Our lab had to write a specific grant application for a Linux cluster. I just 
don't think a grant application asking for well over $20,000 to buy Xboxes, 
mod chips and network hardware has even the slightest chance of being 
approved. 

And even *if* one goes through the process of raising the money necessary for 
this, if Microsoft comes out with the new Xbox version that resists hacking 
by that time, you may just get stuck with 100 game consoles.

As to the legal issues, IANAL and I don't even know under which jurisdiction 
you live. Consider my ealier statement a friendly suggestion to consult one.

Cheers,
Oleg


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Re: ext2 ext3 ?

2002-10-02 Thread Gerard Robin

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 05:32:11PM -0500, Shyamal Prasad wrote:
> "Gerard" == Gerard Robin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:> 
 
> The reason you got the strange stuff is that you did not give mkinitrd
> a '-o outfile' option, so it just wrote the cramfs file system to your
> console! It actually worked fine!
Oops..., sorry.

I thank you for your advices, which are very useful for me.
Now my root file system is ext3 and  when I reboot after a crach
it's faster than before. (with ext2) 
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Re: What are these groups for?

2002-10-02 Thread Antonio Rodriguez

 From kdm any user can reboot/shutdown (at least in my machine) Is this 
an anomaly?

>That wouldn't do what you want. Only root has permission to reboot/halt
>the machine (for obvious reasons). I suppose that if you really wanted
>to do that you could make halt setuid root and make it only executable
>by owner and group, but I really wouldn't recommend that (I avoid making
>anything setuid for security reasons). If you use GDM or KDM for your X
>logins, those can be configured to allow reboot/shutdown from the
>console without a root login.
>
>  
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Re: kernel drivers and initrd

2002-10-02 Thread nate

csj said:
> I'm playing around with the "bootcd" package's initrd
> option. And I can't seem to get it to work. There's
> always some complaint about the root file system not
> being recognized. I suspect the problem is with some
> kernel drivers that I compiled as modules when they
> shouldn't.
>
> Does anybody have a definitive list, a checklist
> perhaps, of kernel drivers that shouldn't be compiled
> as modules, when using (or even when using) the wonders
> of initrd? linux/Documentation/Configure.help is
> conservatively obsolete on this matter.

not having used initrd much myself yet, I cannot imagine any
drivers compiled into the kernel would have any problems
with initrd. from what I understand, initrd is sort of like
a mini filesystem which is mounted to access modules and stuff.

The worst thing that could happen I think is duplications, maybe
2 copies of the driver, 1 module and 1 in the kernel, that won't
cause any harm though when/if the module tries to load it the
kernel should ignore it since the driver is already active in
the static kernel.

you will need at least the controller driver for your disk controller
as well as the filesystem driver for the filesystem that your initrd
image is on for it to work I believe, that should be it, I
personally prefer static kernels, the only modules I use on any
system are Nvidia, Vmware, and alsa(usually on laptops).

nate




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kernel drivers and initrd

2002-10-02 Thread csj

I'm playing around with the "bootcd" package's initrd
option. And I can't seem to get it to work. There's
always some complaint about the root file system not
being recognized. I suspect the problem is with some
kernel drivers that I compiled as modules when they
shouldn't.

Does anybody have a definitive list, a checklist
perhaps, of kernel drivers that shouldn't be compiled
as modules, when using (or even when using) the wonders
of initrd? linux/Documentation/Configure.help is
conservatively obsolete on this matter.

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still more troubles with connecting for the update sources

2002-10-02 Thread Scott B. Berry

Hello there,
I am still having problems.  I hand coded in the deb ftp.us.debian.or and
the rest of that line but it just refuses to connect with my modem.  Just so
people know I am using dialup right now.
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Re: What are these groups for?

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Heironimus

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 10:52:01PM +0200, Robert Wilhelm Land wrote:
> "Running Linux" from Matt Welsh is often quite helpful in these

Good book for getting started with Linux, I used it myself.

> Would it be a mess to change the halt script from root.root to root.adm 
> and add
> my self to adm so I can closeup the mashine without using sudo?
> Is this bad admin style?

That wouldn't do what you want. Only root has permission to reboot/halt
the machine (for obvious reasons). I suppose that if you really wanted
to do that you could make halt setuid root and make it only executable
by owner and group, but I really wouldn't recommend that (I avoid making
anything setuid for security reasons). If you use GDM or KDM for your X
logins, those can be configured to allow reboot/shutdown from the
console without a root login.

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Re: NIS problem

2002-10-02 Thread nate

Don Hayward said:
> Thanks for the response.
>
> Yes, portmap is running -- at least ps shows it.
> rpcinfo -p hangs and returns no output although lsof -i lists several RPC
> ports in use and I have some nfs volumes mounted.

something is wrong with portmapper then, or theres a firewall
preventing ocmmunication, NIS should start working once you fix
that. that is, when you can do rpcinfo -p and get back results(it
should take less then 1 second) then NIS has a better chance of
working.

any firewall on the system? another thing to try is to shutdown
all rpc services and restart them one at a time running rpcinfo -p
at each stage.

nate




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IP addresses for 802.11 PCMCIA cards?

2002-10-02 Thread Grant Edwards


Can somebody explain to me where the IP address is supposed to
go for wireless PCMCIA cards?

I've put it in /etc/network/interfaces as eth2, but then you
have to comment out the ifup and ifdown lines in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts or the card is configured twice, and
the second time breaks things.

Are IP addresses for all PCMCIA devices supposed to go in
/etc/pcmcia/network.opts?

I've looked at the wireless HOWTO, but it doesn't even mention
network.opts or wireless.opts, so it's either way out of date
or written for a completely different set of tools.

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RE: The Real Problem With Debian

2002-10-02 Thread David Pastern

mmm DRM - if ever an invasion of privacypalladium, drm all of that stuff
is crap.  Bullshit.  It's designed by government bodies that have been
bribed humungous amounts by wealthy organisations like hollywood movie
studios, riaa...need I say more.  No i'm not being paranoid.  Just think of
this - details of the settlement between microsoft and the doj have been
kept hidden - despite the tunney act 1967 (i'm an aussie, so i'm not totally
verse in us law/acts).  This to me smacks of a cover up *plays x files
theme*.  

Yes Nate is right, certain applications in ms office version "a" will have
difficulties running (or not run at all) on ms office version b, c,
d...Interestingly, microsoft users are forced to update.  Note the stance of
Microsoft recently saying that they will NO longer support NT or 98/95.
Well...i'd honestly say that 80% of consumer microsoft users are using
95/98.  Great way to generate money.  FUD if ever I saw it.  In this ever
increasing security conscious world, people are going to ask themselves,
"microsoft won't offer me any more security patches for 95/98 to download, I
could get cracked".  I'm sure I could find support for older kernels etc...

I'll make one more comment on the subject that Nate has made.  I used to
work for Toshiba, and I gave openoffice a try on my workstation.  I let my
boss know, and a few of the system engineers know that i'd downloaded
openoffice and was going to install it.  This was done in the effort of
saving Toshiba money in the long run, trying out openoffice which i'd heard
was reliable and very good, and to satisfy my innate curiousity.  Well let's
just say that my boss came around late one afternoon a few days later and
told me in no uncertain terms that "we are a microsoft company and we run ms
office here, remove it[openoffice] NOW".  To say that I was flabbergasted
was the least...Here is a company (that in my experience on their internal
helpdesk) had numerous problems with ms office - typically office 97
pro(software related, not user related), had bought 150 licenses for office
xp way back in july  2001 (and when I left in July 2002 they still hadn't
deployed it due to reliability/compatibility issues) - what a waste of
money.  So much for reliability.  Why would you stick with ms software after
that?  The only thing I could think of, is that toshiba makes laptops.
Laptops need an o/s...toshiba being a vendor is *obviously* having pressure
placed on it (contracts perhaps, i'd love to see that contract that they
have with microsoft) to not only ship ms products with its laptops, but to
use ms products behind the scenes.  Interesting eh?  Remember what microsoft
tried with dell (and the sickening thing on that aspect is that they tried
that monopolistic behaviour with dell during their doj trial - nothing was
done by the powers that be, go figure).  They should have been immediately
found in contempt of court, fined so many billions of dollars...but hang on,
microsoft feeds a lot of money (and taxes) into the US economy...you
wouldn't want to hurt microsoft would you?  Think about it.  Many KNOW I am
right in my presumptions.  

I don't have too much of an issue with ms products, they do work *OK*, but
... they lack freedom.  Freedom that I have with open source software.  They
lack security.  They do lack reliability when compared to a unix or unix
like operating system.  Advantages are that they are easily used by most
people, for most average tasks, in most cases.  What I do have an ISSUE with
is microsoft' monopolistic behaviour, the way they try and take RFC
standards (or other standards) and mutate them to their own perverse
versions.  Then they try and monopolise the market and make themselves the
no.1 defacto standard by sheer illegal behaviour.  The way they
contractually bully vendors.  

Dave

-Original Message-
From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Wednesday, 2 October 2002 3:18 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; David Pastern
Subject: Re: The Real Problem With Debian


 
Ron Johnson said:

> What are you talking about???  How about not using Windows because using
> Windows, Office, WMP, etc, puts money into the pocket of a
> blatant, unrepentant criminal organization?
>

don't forget vendor lock-in, hell I've read reports that even different
versions of MS's office suite are not 100% compadible, thats just sad.

and don't forget DRM, I gave a brief overview of what MS and the
entertainment
industry are trying to accomplish(e.g. preventing files from being copied,
controlling how long you can keep media, how many times you can play it etc)
and mentioned that they are doing it in such a way that the average consumer
doesn't have any idea until it's too late. He was blown away. It really
scares
the hell out of me what MS is doing, makes me very glad I jumped ship 5-6
years ago. I remember in the mid 90s hearing about what the entertainment
industry would try to do, but didn't believe it.

DRM is what scares me the most about MS

RE: File Manager Suggestions?

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Olds

jeff,

Gentoo looks interesting, one question: If you double click a directory on
the left hand side does it show the contents on the right? The screenshots
don't make it clear if this can be done.

Best Wishes!
Mike Olds www.buddhadust.org

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Re: nfs -- can't mount.

2002-10-02 Thread Michael Heironimus

On Wed, Oct 02, 2002 at 05:41:01PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> anarres:/# mount -t nfs 128.100.34.8:/home/matt /racesci/matt
> mount: RPC: Port mapper failure - RPC: Unable to receive

It's been a while since I had problems like that, but I vaguely remember
that errors like that sometimes come up when the RPC portmapper on the
server isn't running or isn't accepting connections. Can you use
"rpcinfo -p " from your client machine? You should see mountd
and nfs (and a few other things) in the service listing.

It's possible that the server has a "default" firewall/hosts.deny setup
that's blocking your client connection. Recent versions of Red Hat offer
to set up basic firewalling during installation (commendable, since one
of RH's main target audiences is new/inexperienced users). I think
current versions of the portmapper also use hosts.allow and hosts.deny,
with the special service name of "portmap". If the server has something
like "all: all" in hosts.deny (a common and recommended practice) you'll
need to add an entry to hosts.allow for your machine.

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Re: SqWebMail.

2002-10-02 Thread Kourosh Ghassemieh

On Tue, Oct 01, 2002 at 09:43:31AM -0400, Daniel Doro Ferrante wrote:
> 
> 
>   Hi Folks,
> 
>  I have been unsing courier-imap-ssl and sqwebmail for quite some time
> now and it was working fine.
> 
>  However, a couple of weeks ago, i noticed the following error message
> when logging in my sqwebmail:
> 
> ---BeGiN---
> Unable to open the maildir for this account -- the maildir doesn't exist
> or has incorrect ownership or permissions.
> ---EnD---
> 
>  Okay, so AFAIK, this means that the client was able to log in, it was
> just not able to read my maildir.
> 
>  The only thing that happened between the last successful time i used it
> and now, is that i tried "evolution" (don't ask! =;) and, am guessing,
> it screwed up something. (It did screw things up for a few of my
> users...)
> 
>  I'm running Woody (with a few packages from unstable, that shouldn't
> be interfering with this - and weren't before) with postfix and
> courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl.
> 
>  Any hint/help would be greatly appreciated! []'s!


Hi Daniel,

You might try checking to see if Evolution changed the ownership of your
mail directory.  The user needs to own the Maildir and I believe the
permissions need to be 700 on the directory. If the directory is world
readable or writable programs are not supposed to access the directory.
Maybe Evolution changed the permissions or ownership of the file?

Regards.

Kourosh


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Unknown source for FATAL ERROR

2002-10-02 Thread Mark L. Kahnt

My system produces a message to the console, but not to xconsole or any
log file. It sounds severe enough that it should definitely be
addressed, but I have been unable to find out what is complaining
(including grepping the system for the string.) Anyone know what could
be generating the error:

FATAL Error while making lockfile. (errno = 2)

so I can actually then go looking for what needs to be fixed? I do run
many forms of servers on this system (apache, exim, proftpd, dns, zope,
mysql, postgresql, etc.), but I see properly directed messages in the
logs for them, and this appears a few times an hour (but not anything
that appears to match up with any activity or cron task, nor can I see
any sort of potentially related complaint in the logs. This has been
going on for months, but since nothing was reporting as being broken, I
haven't panicked about finding a fix - I just think that now, I should
make at least a starting effort.
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Re: dist-upgrade problem with conflicting packages coreutils and shellutils

2002-10-02 Thread Gerhard Gaussling

Am Mittwoch, 2. Oktober 2002 08:41 schrieb Faheem Mitha:
> Use the grep-dctrl package. Example, to see all packages with
> priority required do
>
> grep-available -Fpriority required -sPackage | less
>
> and you get a list of packages you don't want to mess with. Never
> try to upgrade these packages to the unstable version if you are
> running testing. You might also want to back off packages with
> priority important.
>
> See http://www.debian.org/doc/debian-policy/ch-archive.html#s2.2
> for more information about Priorities.

Hello Faheem,

Thank you for your help and coments.
I'll gonna have a long weekend and I'll row along the river mosel. 
4 days without computing.

Have a nice time.

regards

gerhard


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