Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 10:01:08AM +1100, Joyce, Matthew wrote:
> You cannot unsubscribe.  Noone can.  Why would you want to anyway ?

His continued resistance is futile. He has been assimilated.

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Re: voodoo3 troubles

[Donald Spoon]

Cameron Matheson wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to get my voodoo3 working but i am having some serious
problems...  The computer boots up fine w/ the card in, and X works
great w/ the "vesa" driver (other than no acceleration of course).  If i
try the "tdfx" driver, however, X goes crazy (the screen is bright
shifting colors and the cursor is a gigantic black rectangle).  After i
kill X w/ ctrl+alt+backspace the console is ruined (looks a lot like X
except in b&w) so i have to reset the computer.  I have been trying to
figure this out but so far no luck,  i have attached my XFree86.log and
my XF86Config-4 (and also output from dmesg).  Here is the stuff that is
probably significant although i am not sure:

(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a
(II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board (through the int10 interface).
(II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board succeeded.

Why is it softbooting my board?  Isn't that only supposed to be done when
you have two cards and one of isn't started at bootup by the bios?

I think this part right here is the major bad stuff:

(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
...

A quick search on google only turned up source code for the tdfx driver...
Anyway, i am at a loss, any ideas?

Thanks,
Cameron Matheson



I have the Voodoo3-2000 here and it works fine.  In reviewing your 
snippits of your log file above, I have the same "init10" stuff as you 
do.  It appears to just be checking the availability of that mode.  I 
don't have a second card either.  I think the init10 stuff is normal.

I don't have the second portion about "(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac 
value, bypassing CLUT" anywhere in my logs.  I cannot explain it.

Question when you configured the xserver-xfree86, did you enable the 
"frame buffer"?  I could never get my card to work with that option 
enabled.  You might run "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86" and just 
change or check that option.

I actually have two of those cards working here in different machines. 
The only problems I encountered was with the framebuffer and setting up 
the mouse properly.

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-



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Re: voodoo3 troubles

[Erik Steffl]

Cameron Matheson wrote:

Hi,

I'm trying to get my voodoo3 working but i am having some serious
problems...  The computer boots up fine w/ the card in, and X works
great w/ the "vesa" driver (other than no acceleration of course).  If i
try the "tdfx" driver, however, X goes crazy (the screen is bright
shifting colors and the cursor is a gigantic black rectangle).  After i
kill X w/ ctrl+alt+backspace the console is ruined (looks a lot like X
except in b&w) so i have to reset the computer.  I have been trying to
figure this out but so far no luck,  i have attached my XFree86.log and
my XF86Config-4 (and also output from dmesg).  Here is the stuff that is
probably significant although i am not sure:

(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a
(II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board (through the int10 interface).
(II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board succeeded.

Why is it softbooting my board?  Isn't that only supposed to be done when
you have two cards and one of isn't started at bootup by the bios?


  not sure what it is but I have the same stuff in my log (and I have 
only one voodoo 3 video card and it works)

I think this part right here is the major bad stuff:

(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT



  don't have this though. are you sure you have tdfx kernel module 
compiled?

  here's my config file:

### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
# XF86Config-4 (XFree86 server configuration file) generated by dexconf, the
# Debian X Configuration tool, using values from the debconf database.
#
# Edit this file with caution, and see the XF86Config-4 manual page.
# (Type "man XF86Config-4" at the shell prompt.)
#
# If you want your changes to this file preserved by dexconf, only make 
changes
# before the "### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION" line above, and/or after the
# "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line below.
#
# To change things within the debconf section, run the command:
#   dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xfree86
# as root.  Also see "How do I add custom sections to a dexconf-generated
# XF86Config or XF86Config-4 file?" in /usr/share/doc/xfree86-common/FAQ.gz.

Section "Files"
	FontPath	"unix/:7100"			# local font server
	# if the local font server has problems, we can fall back on these
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi"
	FontPath	"/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
EndSection

Section "Module"
	Load	"GLcore"
	Load	"bitmap"
	Load	"dbe"
	Load	"ddc"
	Load	"dri"
	Load	"extmod"
	Load	"freetype"
	Load	"glx"
	Load	"int10"
	Load	"pex5"
	Load	"record"
	Load	"speedo"
	Load	"type1"
	Load	"vbe"
	Load	"xie"
EndSection

Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Logitech Cordless iTouch"
	Driver		"keyboard"
	Option		"CoreKeyboard"
	Option		"XkbRules"	"xfree86"
	Option		"XkbModel"	"logicordless"
	Option		"XkbLayout"	"us"
EndSection

# don't forget xmodmap -e "pointer = 1 2 3 6 4 5"
# so that scrolling works (4 & 5 are the scrolling buttons in X)
Section "InputDevice"
	Identifier	"Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel"
	Driver		"mouse"
	Option		"CorePointer"
	Option		"Protocol"		"MouseManPlusPS/2"
	Option		"Device"		"/dev/psaux"
	Option		"Emulate3Buttons"	"false"
	Option		"Buttons"		"6"
	Option		"ZAxisMapping"		"5 6"
	Option		"SendCoreEvents"	"true"
EndSection

Section "Device"
	Identifier	"3Dfx Voodoo3"
	Driver		"tdfx"
EndSection

Section "Monitor"
	Identifier	"SONY Multiscan 100sx"
	HorizSync	30-65
	VertRefresh	50-120
	Option		"DPMS"
EndSection

Section "Screen"
	Identifier	"Default Screen"
	Device		"3Dfx Voodoo3"
	Monitor		"SONY Multiscan 100sx"
	DefaultDepth	16
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		1
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		4
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		8
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		15
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		16
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
	SubSection "Display"
		Depth		24
		Modes		"1280x1024" "800x600" "640x480"
	EndSubSection
EndSection

Section "ServerLayout"
	Identifier	"Default Layout"
	Screen		"Default Screen"
	InputDevice	"Logitech Cordless iTouch"
	InputDevice	"Logitech Cordless MouseMan Wheel"
EndSection

Section "DRI"
	Mode	0666
EndSection

### END DEBCONF SECTION


	erik


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Re: ut2003/Games in general woes

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:43:50PM -0500, karrottop wrote:
> Ok, I installed ut2003 under debian 3.0 (woody) and it ran.  I have
> recently upgraded to (Sid) and now it only goes to splash screen then
> blacks out my window, just to return directly to my desktop.  
> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
> OpenGL renderer relies on DXTC/S3TC support.

Your video card is missing important features.  You need to upgrade,
they tell you this in the system requirements.  I'm in the same boat
until I make another fry's run.

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Re: Iptables Help

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 14, 2003 at 03:38:39AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:34:39PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > It would be very useful to have some script that would ask you what
> > services you intended to run, and generated scripts for iptables etc.
> > that ensured that only the minimum necessary services were available.
> 
> Don't we have this kind of thing already? I know there are several
> firewall builder scripts in Debian.

Last time I looked ipmasq did a good job setting up a NAT + filter
proxy (and it works with iptables and ipchains).  However, I had to
ditch it about a year ago when I added a VPN interface for work (I
rolled my own script).

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Re: Using new Apple displays on Debian/Intel box?

[Nathan E Norman]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 03:46:15PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:42:42AM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> > I am looking at the new Apple displays (the 23" 1920x1200 display).
> > 
> > What would I need to make this work on a Intel Pentium III box with an
> > ASUS P2B-DS MB?
> > 
> > Am I crazy to try this? I would clearly need a new graphics card to
> > match the display.
> > 
> > Would this be supported by the Debian distribution? XFree86 drivers?
> > 
> > Randy
> 
> AFAIK it is possible to get adaptors that enable you to connect a Mac
> monitor to a VGA card.
> 
> I suspect your main problem will be that the monitor won't understand
> the signal it's getting until your system has booted far enough to
> load something that changes the resolution from DOS-style 80x25 to
> something that your monitor can cope with. This will probably mean
> enabling framebuffer support, and having an ordinary monitor to swap
> in if you have the need to diagnose booting problems at some future
> date.
> 
> As far as X is concerned you just need to set the appropriate values
> for your monitor in XF86Config, and away you go.
> 
> That's your other main problem, of course: extracting from Apple the
> horizontal and vertical sync range that the monitor will accept.

[ more fuel for the fire ]

Don't Mac monitors require sync on green?  Some graphics cards support
that on a din-15 VGA port, other don't.

If it's only Sun that's sync on green, sorry :-)

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Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

[Nathan E Norman]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:52:58PM -0600, Nathan Poznick wrote:
> Thus spake Fer'had Erdogan:
> > I have been trying to unsubscribe from this list for a few days now.
> > Ended up sending an email to the list manager as well about it. Why am I
> > still subscribed? Way too many emails for me to deal with. Driving me
> > crazy.
> 
> Boy these headers sure don't have anything to do with it.
> 
> List-Post: 
> List-Help: 
> List-Subscribe: 
> List-Unsubscribe: 

Guys? Let's not be quite so snide when we respond to people who are
trying (and failing) to unsubscribe. Yes, there are plenty of folks who
could use a good whiff of CLUE when trying to subscribe/unsubscribe, but
sometimes the damn thing just doesn't work. For instance, a few months
ago I unsubscribed from all the debian lists and resubscribed with a
different address. This process went fine on most lists except debian
user (and I'm on over 10 debian lists!) I've been a member of this list
since about 1996 so I think I know what I'm doing. :-) I eventually got
it sorted out.

Anyway, just a plea for some decorum.  Thanks, back to the flamewars.

To the OP: try this url

  http://www.debian.org/MailingLists/unsubscribe

Some people seem to have better luck with the web form as opposed to
the email interface.  Otherwise, when sending email make sure the
body contains nothing, not even a signature.  Don't even think of PGP
signing your request :-)

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Re: invisible cursor in X

[Yuhanes Tjandra]

On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 04:44, Rev. Dave Terkanian wrote:
> Hello,
>   I've got a problem with X (or something else, don't know.)  When I start
> X (via xdm or gdm) my mouse cursor is invisible.  The mouse is there, I can
> change focus, and with lots of effort select things and push buttons, but I
> cannot see the mouse cursor.  Does anybody have any idea what I may have
> done wrong?  I can't find (google) any other reference to this sort of
> behavior on the net.  Does this sound like a configuration problem or could
> it be something hardware with my video card or something else?
> 
add this line to section device in your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4
option  "sw_cursor"

restart X after that. 

Yuhanes


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voodoo3 troubles

[Cameron Matheson]

Hi,

I'm trying to get my voodoo3 working but i am having some serious
problems...  The computer boots up fine w/ the card in, and X works
great w/ the "vesa" driver (other than no acceleration of course).  If i
try the "tdfx" driver, however, X goes crazy (the screen is bright
shifting colors and the cursor is a gigantic black rectangle).  After i
kill X w/ ctrl+alt+backspace the console is ruined (looks a lot like X
except in b&w) so i have to reset the computer.  I have been trying to
figure this out but so far no luck,  i have attached my XFree86.log and
my XF86Config-4 (and also output from dmesg).  Here is the stuff that is
probably significant although i am not sure:

(II) LoadModule: "int10"
(II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/linux/libint10.a
(II) Module int10: vendor="The XFree86 Project"
compiled for 4.2.1.1, module version = 1.0.0
ABI class: XFree86 Video Driver, version 0.5
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board (through the int10 interface).
(II) TDFX(0): Primary V_BIOS segment is: 0xc000
(II) TDFX(0): Softbooting the board succeeded.

Why is it softbooting my board?  Isn't that only supposed to be done when
you have two cards and one of isn't started at bootup by the bios?

I think this part right here is the major bad stuff:

(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
(II) TDFX(0): Failed to set dac value, bypassing CLUT
...

A quick search on google only turned up source code for the tdfx driver...
Anyway, i am at a loss, any ideas?

Thanks,
Cameron Matheson


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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Paul Johnson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:19:09PM -0500, Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:
> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot? 

Yup.

> How can I synchronize the modification stored
> in the journal file?

It'll happen automatically at umount, or you can run sync

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Re: Deb-List Subject Line Tag?

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:22:50PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:

| Then you should filter your mail before looking at it with pine.  Make the
| *computer* do all the work.

Good.

| Here's a procmail solution for you:
| 
| # Debian lists ...
| :0:
| * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<].*@lists\.debian\.org[>]
| * ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<] *\/[^ ][^@]*
| $MATCH

Bad.

Suppose the following header is in an email :
X-Mailling-List: <~[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Ouch.  You want to adjust that regex so it doesn't allow path-special
characters (such as '/') to be part of the resultant filename.

-D

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Re: Console fonts in rxvt

[George Georgalis]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 05:51:41PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
>On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:46:55AM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
>> Have you done it? I've tried single / double quotes and "\ " to no
>> avail... but I am setting a variable ($fn) and using -fn $fn on the
>> command line (in a script). maybe that's my problem?
>
>Word splitting happens after parameter expansion, so spaces in $fn will
>be treated as word separators. Use -fn "$fn" instead.

Doh! that little expansion rule gets me all the time... even when I'm
thinking of it.  Here's the script that now has the font I wanted,
thanks.


#!/bin/bash
#
# rxvt.sh, custom rxvt settings.
#
# Processes two parameters, a foreground color and a command (with args)
# to execute. Both are optional but a color must accompany a command.
#
# $1 = rxvt foreground color or defined default
# $2 = command to run and any command paramaters 
#
# Since I'm always using ssh as a command, I prefer '-title "$*"'
# but you may prefer '-title "$title"'
#
# '-name' is for setting Xresources, untested.
#
# GNU (c) 2003 George Georgalis, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

foreground=goldenrod
[ -n "$1" ] && foreground=$1 && shift
[ -z "$1" ] && title=$(basename $0) && cmd=""
[ -n "$1" ] && title=$@ && ex='-e' && cmd="$1" && shift
cursor=green
fn="-jmk-neep alt-medium-r-normal-*-*-180-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1"
fb="-jmk-neep alt-medium-r-normal-*-*-180-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1"
export LC_ALL=C
exec \
/usr/bin/rxvt  \
-title "$*" \
-name  "$*" \
-geometry 100x27 \
-bg black \
-fg $foreground \
-fn "$fn" \
-fb "$fb" \
-cr $cursor \
-pr $cursor \
-bd $foreground \
-sl 999 -ls -ut +vb +sb +si -sk $ex $cmd $@ &

# a non zero -sl requires 14 extra pixels in the geom x position



// George

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Re: Deb-List Subject Line Tag?

[Marc Wilson]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 04:12:14AM +, Scalar wrote:
> Would it be acceptable for the listserver to add a few
> letters at the beginning of the subject to distinguish the
> list from other email?

No.  Bad.  Very Bad.  Leads to incomprehensible Subject lines.

> I use pine over telnet in 25x80 mode for email, and it is
> frequently impossible to tell listserv messages from normal
> email. because the subject lines don't "stand out" from
> normal mail.

Then you should filter your mail before looking at it with pine.  Make the
*computer* do all the work.

Here's a procmail solution for you:

# Debian lists ...
:0:
* ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<].*@lists\.debian\.org[>]
* ^X-Mailing-List: .*[<] *\/[^ ][^@]*
$MATCH

That'll filter mail from *any* Debian list.  You don't have to modify it
when your subscriptions change. ^_^

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Re: pronto users ???

[Leo Spalteholz]

On February 13, 2003 07:13 pm, Russell wrote:
> Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> > Russell wrote:
> >>Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> >>>Any pronto mua users here?
> >>>
> >>>As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB,
> >>> ~100 message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail
> >>> archive to debian woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape
> >>> mail in an convenient and elaborate hierarchy of folders
> >>> sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> >>>
> >>>I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution
> >>> to the many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the
> >>> navigation of folders from within mutt.
> >>>
> >>>Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested
> >>> subfolders; but,  has not
> >>> revealed much detail.
> >>>
> >>>So, I am soliciting comments from any of you kind people,
> >>> especially regarding pronto's nested subfolder facility _and_
> >>> how pronto compares to mutt -- especially bad comparisons ;<
> >>>
> >>>What do you think?
> >>
> >>I don't know about pronto. What version of netscape? Is it on
> >> windows? Mozilla works just like netscape, but is *much* faster
> >> at handling large mailboxes than netscape 4.7x. Later versions
> >> of netscape are based on mozilla, iirc.
> >
> > Yes, nt4 and netscrape v4.8.  No, I've looked at Mozilla, and --
> > nice as it is -- its nested mbox configuration still risks
> > corruption of too much mail and offers nothing to me for remote
> > mail perusal.  I like it more than my current netscrape; but, it
> > is not enough of a change to be warranted.  Please, review the
> > details in my response to Vineet.
> >
> > What do you think?
>
> I don't know about corruption problems, but maybe mozilla 1.2.1 for
> linux has less risk than the wondoze version. It might be the
> easiest/quickest way to get off the windoze system, then you can
> look for another mailer. I've shared the same mailboxes between
> two PCs with mozilla, but only have one mozilla running at a time.
> So, you could install linux mozilla and point it to the windoze pc
> mailbox for a quick start.

I wouln't advise that.  I had the same idea and thought since I was 
running mozilla on both windows and linux I could put all my mail on 
a fat32 partition and share it between the two OSs..  It worked for 
about a week and then the linux version of mozilla corrupted the 
files or something because the windows version of mozilla would 
always lock up when it tried to open a folder.
Maybe there are minor incompatibilities or maybe it was just bad luck 
but I wouldn't risk it.

leo


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Re: Disabling the framebuffer

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:58:38PM +, Rus Foster wrote:
> Hi All,
>  In /etc/lilo.conf if I want to disable the frame buffer what d I need to
> change the vga= line to

here is my /etc/lilo.conf. this turns framebuffer off :)

# Specifies the VGA text mode at boot time. (normal, extended, ask, )
#
# vga=normal
# vga=9
#
vga=normal

#this turns frame buffer off 1 and turns apm on 3
 append="video=vga16:off apm=on apm=power-off noapic"

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Re: IPv6 resolvers?i

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:50:32PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
| Thus spake Noah L. Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):
| > On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
| > > I'm trying to get IPv6 running on 2 of my  systems.  One is Unstable,
| > > the other is Stable.  On both of them I do a:

| > > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
| > > ;test-ip6.company.com. IN  A
| > 
| > You're asking the wrong question.  A records don't point to IPv6
| > addresses.
| > 
| > Try 'host -t  test-ip6.company.com'.
| 
| Ok, that resolves.  Now if I put:
| 
| hosts:  files dns
| 
| I can ping6 a machine on my local lan.  If I put dns first it doesn't
| resolve properly.  

Does your DNS server  records or just A records?  Some apps will
try an  record first, and failing that fall back to the A record.
If you are setting up the system as v6 only, opening a v4 socket will
(naturally) fail.  Perhaps this is what you are seeing?

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Re: My cup runneth over!

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:46:03PM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
| You sure there ain't some way to prevent a slew of xterm windows from
| opening up each time I reboot into gdm?

It sounds like you have some open when you terminate your gnome
session, and you told gnome to save the session.  A real PITA isn't
it?  The solution I've found is first to close all applications, then
log out (saving the session).  After that never save the session
again.  Only save the session if you actually changed something (eg
panel configuration) _and_ you quit all programs before saving the
session.  In the near future I'll likely be losing gnome for something
lighter[1].

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[1]  meaning a custom-built app launcher to replace the panel, the
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Re: packages with configuration prompt twice

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:32:05PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> When I install packages that require configuration, each one goes
> through configuration  (its sequence of questions on the console, or
> its Dialog-based menus) twice.

All packages, or just some? If the latter, please file bugs against them
for misusing debconf.

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invisible cursor in X

[Rev. Dave Terkanian]

Hello,
I've got a problem with X (or something else, don't know.)  When I start
X (via xdm or gdm) my mouse cursor is invisible.  The mouse is there, I can
change focus, and with lots of effort select things and push buttons, but I
cannot see the mouse cursor.  Does anybody have any idea what I may have
done wrong?  I can't find (google) any other reference to this sort of
behavior on the net.  Does this sound like a configuration problem or could
it be something hardware with my video card or something else?

Any sugguesttions (within reason) would be more than helpful if you
think you can help.

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Re: SOLVED - Re: Dlink Wireless USB Card: Unresolved symbols

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 05:49:44PM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> Anyone know how quickly an upload to the Debian ftp site makes it down 
> to the main mirrors? Is it minutes, hours, or days?

The accepted queue is processed once a day at 19:52 GMT. Once it's
finished, mirrors sync over the course of the next couple of hours.

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Re: Iptables Help

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 11:34:39PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> It would be very useful to have some script that would ask you what
> services you intended to run, and generated scripts for iptables etc.
> that ensured that only the minimum necessary services were available.

Don't we have this kind of thing already? I know there are several
firewall builder scripts in Debian.

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Re: pronto users ???

[Russell]

Michael D. Schleif wrote:

Russell wrote:


Michael D. Schleif wrote:


Any pronto mua users here?

As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.

I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
folders from within mutt.

Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
 has not revealed much detail.

So, I am soliciting comments from any of you kind people, especially
regarding pronto's nested subfolder facility _and_ how pronto compares
to mutt -- especially bad comparisons ;<

What do you think?



I don't know about pronto. What version of netscape? Is it on windows?
Mozilla works just like netscape, but is *much* faster at handling
large mailboxes than netscape 4.7x. Later versions of netscape are
based on mozilla, iirc.



Yes, nt4 and netscrape v4.8.  No, I've looked at Mozilla, and -- nice as
it is -- its nested mbox configuration still risks corruption of too
much mail and offers nothing to me for remote mail perusal.  I like it
more than my current netscrape; but, it is not enough of a change to be
warranted.  Please, review the details in my response to Vineet.

What do you think?


I don't know about corruption problems, but maybe mozilla 1.2.1 for
linux has less risk than the wondoze version. It might be the
easiest/quickest way to get off the windoze system, then you can
look for another mailer. I've shared the same mailboxes between
two PCs with mozilla, but only have one mozilla running at a time.
So, you could install linux mozilla and point it to the windoze pc
mailbox for a quick start.


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Re: ut2003/Games in general woes

[Caleb Walker]

You have to go to the UT2003 help files.  I had this once and you have
to redo the video driver.  I have an nvidia card what do you have?

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 18:32, Josh McKinney wrote:
> On approximately Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:43:50PM -0500, karrottop wrote:
> > Ok, I installed ut2003 under debian 3.0 (woody) and it ran.  I have
> > recently upgraded to (Sid) and now it only goes to splash screen then
> > blacks out my window, just to return directly to my desktop.  So, I
> > installed tuxracer, all it does is turn my monitor on a different
> > resolution then quits, and thats not verry nice because It doesen't let
> > me ctl-alt-+ to return back to my original rez.  Here is the output I
> > get from ut2003:
> > -
> > WeaponXbox:~# ut2003
> > Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
> > OpenGL renderer relies on DXTC/S3TC support.
> >  
> > History:
> >  
> > Exiting due to error
> 
> Some more information would be good here.. Things like what video card? Chipset?
> Driver version for your particular video card?
> 
> Also are you sure that OpenGL is working correctly in the first place?  You can
> try running something simple like `glxgears` or `glxinfo` and that should tell
> you whether OpenGL is working or not.  If not then you have found your problem.
> 
> > -
> > 
> > Also as a side note if somebody knows, I have had problems downloading
> > maps when I connect to online serversIt downloads and then after it
> > finishes it tells me it had a error moving the file, any insight into
> > that would be appreciated as well.
> > 
> You're lucky.  Everytime I try to get on a server with a custom map it takes
> like *20hrs* to download so I give up.  This is with 1.5mbit cable.  There is
> a ut2003 bug database "https://bugzilla.icculus.org"; which could probably
> answer your question better.  They also have a mailing list just for ut2003.
> 
> Josh
> 
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Re: pronto users ???

[Michael D. Schleif]

Matthew Weier O'Phinney wrote:
> 
> -- Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
> (on Thursday, 13 February 2003, 05:29 PM -0800):
> > * Michael D. Schleif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 14:16]:



> > > ... I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
> > > message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
> > > woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
> > > elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> > >
> > > I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
> > > many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
> > > folders from within mutt.
> 
> What don't you like about the navigation? What kind of mail format are
> you using (Maildir, mbox, MH...)? I use IMAP (more on that below), and I
> like the ability to define mailboxes I use regularly for 'one stop
> shopping', as well as being able to navigate my "tree" when I want to.
> Best yet, I can do it all from my keyboard

Perhaps, that is what I am missing -- IMAP!  In my posts here and on
mutt-users, I am trying to describe my situation objectively and to
avoid prejudice for options I am investigating.  I have tossed out IMAP?
as a possible solution; but, you are the only one to bite.

I have used remote IMAP servers; but, not built one -- so, I do not know
how nor if I can use to build a tree of 500-1000 subfolders/branches,
10-20 levels deep?

Please, show me the way ?!?!

> Is that the part you don't like -- that it's console-based? If so, mutt
> definitely *isn't* for you. However, give it a try -- I was a die-hard
> GUI mail-reader fanatic, but was constantly getting frustrated with the
> memory and CPU overhead of GUI apps (I'm on a 366Mhz machine that, until
> recently, had minimal memory). I forced myself to try mutt for a couple
> weeks, and I've never gone back.

No, I am a diehard cli hacker; so, mutt is quite attractive to me.  In
fact, I understand that I can invoke mutt from the cli with appropriate
arguments and I can view results of my ad hoc queries! -- not there,
yet, but I'm going to like that . . .

> > > Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
> > >  has not revealed much detail.
> 
> I used Pronto! for a few months a couple years ago, and recall liking
> it. What I *didn't* like is that I recall it storing messages in a MySQL
> database -- however, I see it now has support for mbox and Maildir, so
> that's a moot issue.  However, because it *did* use a database, the
> programmer had done a nice job with nested folders (I think every
> programmer at some point tries their hand at trees and folders).

What do you *not* like about storing mail archives in a database?  I've
been thinking for sometime that that is where I'd like to end up -- what
is the downside ???

> > As a side note, I can recommend that the most convenient way I've found
> > to transport mail from proprietary stores (outlook, etc.) to righteous
> > ones is via an IMAP server.  Should you decide to just move everything
> > to the IMAP store and keep it there, this gives you the advantage of
> > being able to access the same data and folder hierarchy from whatever
> > MUA you feel like at any time (and from whatever site, no less).
> 
> I *heartily* second this! For several years, I kept trying just about
> every new mailer I came across because the one I was using didn't have X
> feature, or because the new mailer had this new cool Y feature... I
> can't tell you how many times I had to move mail stores from one app to
> another or one format to another Ugghh! Finally I got the idea to
> throw up an IMAP server, and it made these "conversions" so much easier,
> as I never had to worry about the backend -- just the frontend.

Please, give me some pointers regarding IMAP.  Do you believe that I can
rigorously manage my growing mail system?  Which IMAP?

What do you think?

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Re: IPv6 resolvers?i

[Robert L. Harris]

Thus spake Noah L. Meyerhans ([EMAIL PROTECTED]):

> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> > I'm trying to get IPv6 running on 2 of my  systems.  One is Unstable,
> > the other is Stable.  On both of them I do a:
> > 
> > host (ip6 addr for a known machine) and I get nothing.
> > 
> > root@wally
> > {0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>host test-ip6.company.com
> > root@wally
> > {0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>
> 
> 
> 
> > ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> > ;test-ip6.company.com. IN  A
> 
> You're asking the wrong question.  A records don't point to IPv6
> addresses.
> 
> Try 'host -t  test-ip6.company.com'.
> 

Ok, that resolves.  Now if I put:

hosts:  files dns

I can ping6 a machine on my local lan.  If I put dns first it doesn't
resolve properly.  


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Re: pronto users ???

[Michael D. Schleif]

Russell wrote:
> 
> Michael D. Schleif wrote:
> > Any pronto mua users here?
> >
> > As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
> > message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
> > woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
> > elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> >
> > I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
> > many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
> > folders from within mutt.
> >
> > Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
> >  has not revealed much detail.
> >
> > So, I am soliciting comments from any of you kind people, especially
> > regarding pronto's nested subfolder facility _and_ how pronto compares
> > to mutt -- especially bad comparisons ;<
> >
> > What do you think?
> >
> I don't know about pronto. What version of netscape? Is it on windows?
> Mozilla works just like netscape, but is *much* faster at handling
> large mailboxes than netscape 4.7x. Later versions of netscape are
> based on mozilla, iirc.

Yes, nt4 and netscrape v4.8.  No, I've looked at Mozilla, and -- nice as
it is -- its nested mbox configuration still risks corruption of too
much mail and offers nothing to me for remote mail perusal.  I like it
more than my current netscrape; but, it is not enough of a change to be
warranted.  Please, review the details in my response to Vineet.

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[dbalder]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-14 03:02]:

> Just a quick update on my efforts to solve this sound problem with Q3A.
>
>oooh i810. what sound card are you using? sis chipset onboard-sound?
>if yes, then i had the same problem.. and, as sorry as i am, the
>only way i got sound in q3a was buying a soundcard.

Yes!!! It is SiS onboard-sound with CMI9738 chip.
I hope you new soundcard wasn't too expensive... You can always use it in that next 
computer without on-board sound :-)


>when i tried this half a year ago i didn't made it. so good look! -
>i hope it will work now - and please post your experiences - would
>be interesting.

This website http://www.exocore.com/technologies/linux/i810/i810-6.php3#ss6.1 gives 
some info on how to do it.
I am however hoping for i810 to be in kernel_sources. I'm at work now so I can't 
check... From memory kernel 2.4 series has alsa too but I'm not sure
now...


>
> Interesting...


indeed


>
> Davor


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Re: pronto users ???

[Michael D. Schleif]

Vineet Kumar wrote:
> 
> * Michael D. Schleif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 14:16]:
> >
> > Any pronto mua users here?
> 
> You could grep this mailbox for User-Agent headers...
> 
> > As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
> > message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
> > woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
> > elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> >
> > I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
> > many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
> > folders from within mutt.
> >
> > Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
> >  has not revealed much detail.
> 
> I'm not sure what you mean here; I believe mutt "supports nested
> subfolders" as well.  What are you trying to do?  I guess I don't
> understand what the "many nested subfolder /syndrome/" is.

I've spent two (2) days studying and querying mutt-users and got nowhere
equally as fast as my previous mutt-specific queries here on
debian-user.

Yes, mutt supports nested Maildir and subfolders; but, it is *NOT*
conveniently done!  The only way that I have found to navigate nested
Maildir subfolders is to add each and everyone to , whereupon
 gives me a long, linear screenful of >500 (!)
mailboxes from which to select.

Mozilla and netscrape offer convenient navigation of nested subfolder
hierarchies several dozen levels deep -- albeit _not_ Maildir -- and
searching mail down to the bottom of any hierarchical branch is decent.

Some pronto errata suggests that these issues may be overcome; and, they
intimate support for a sql database backend!  That would be ideal, in my
situation, to archive my older mail in a real searchable database . . .

> As a side note, I can recommend that the most convenient way I've found
> to transport mail from proprietary stores (outlook, etc.) to righteous
> ones is via an IMAP server.  Should you decide to just move everything
> to the IMAP store and keep it there, this gives you the advantage of
> being able to access the same data and folder hierarchy from whatever
> MUA you feel like at any time (and from whatever site, no less).

I am not worried about converting nor transporting my legacy archives. 
In fact, I have a running fetchmail|procmail|mutt pilot running now.

I need to make a change as quickly as possible, because the legacy mail
resides on an nt fat partition -- and I am out of space.

Such a change needs to be done as wisely as possible.  I have
procrastinated this move for more than a year, because I have not found
an acceptable way to manage the legacy archives.

What do you think?

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RE: Problems with Quake]I[ Arena

[dbalder]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-14 03:02]:

> Just a quick update on my efforts to solve this sound problem with Q3A.
>
>oooh i810. what sound card are you using? sis chipset onboard-sound?
>if yes, then i had the same problem.. and, as sorry as i am, the
>only way i got sound in q3a was buying a soundcard.

Yes!!! It is SiS onboard-sound with CMI9738 chip.
I hope you new soundcard wasn't too expensive... You can always use it in that next 
computer without on-board sound :-)


>when i tried this half a year ago i didn't made it. so good look! -
>i hope it will work now - and please post your experiences - would
>be interesting.

This website http://www.exocore.com/technologies/linux/i810/i810-6.php3#ss6.1 gives 
some info on how to do it.
I am however hoping for i810 to be in kernel_sources. I'm at work now so I can't 
check... From memory kernel 2.4 series has alsa too but I'm not sure
now...

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Re: Iptables Help

[Pigeon]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 02:17:59PM -0500, jereme wrote:
> Let me reidirate, this is a _very_bad_ way to conscruct a firewall.  A
> better arpproach would be to tell us what services you do want to
> provide, and to whom, the number of interfaces and their connections,
> etc.
> 
> Then you set the default policy on all chains to DENY and open only
> those services you intend to provide and can secure.  This is then a
> good place to start from, their are many other layers of security to
> consider, tcpwrappers, ALG's, etc.

The problem with firewall construction is that it requires Joe
Pigeon-brained User to acquire arcane expertise in 'the reverse of
cracking'.

How do you figure out what to allow and what to deny to, say, have a
web browser, email and apt-get working, everything those tasks don't
need being blocked? How do you figure out what else you can block if
you don't mind your browser not being able to play sounds off
websites? You have to dig pretty deeply into how networking and the
applications concerned operate. The fact that such digging is possible
in Linux is great; the fact that it is necessary, not so great.

It would be very useful to have some script that would ask you what
services you intended to run, and generated scripts for iptables etc.
that ensured that only the minimum necessary services were available.
I'm figuring that such a thing is not available, because this is one
of those questions that brings responses of "hack this, tweak that" as
opposed to "apt-get piece_of_debian_magic". 

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Re: ut2003/Games in general woes

[Josh McKinney]

On approximately Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 08:43:50PM -0500, karrottop wrote:
> Ok, I installed ut2003 under debian 3.0 (woody) and it ran.  I have
> recently upgraded to (Sid) and now it only goes to splash screen then
> blacks out my window, just to return directly to my desktop.  So, I
> installed tuxracer, all it does is turn my monitor on a different
> resolution then quits, and thats not verry nice because It doesen't let
> me ctl-alt-+ to return back to my original rez.  Here is the output I
> get from ut2003:
> -
> WeaponXbox:~# ut2003
> Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
> OpenGL renderer relies on DXTC/S3TC support.
>  
> History:
>  
> Exiting due to error

Some more information would be good here.. Things like what video card? Chipset?
Driver version for your particular video card?

Also are you sure that OpenGL is working correctly in the first place?  You can
try running something simple like `glxgears` or `glxinfo` and that should tell
you whether OpenGL is working or not.  If not then you have found your problem.

> -
> 
> Also as a side note if somebody knows, I have had problems downloading
> maps when I connect to online serversIt downloads and then after it
> finishes it tells me it had a error moving the file, any insight into
> that would be appreciated as well.
> 
You're lucky.  Everytime I try to get on a server with a custom map it takes
like *20hrs* to download so I give up.  This is with 1.5mbit cable.  There is
a ut2003 bug database "https://bugzilla.icculus.org"; which could probably
answer your question better.  They also have a mailing list just for ut2003.

Josh


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Re: fsck finding thousands of errors

[Pigeon]

On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 10:12:33PM -0500, George Georgalis wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 08:43:21PM -0500, Levi Waldron wrote:
> >Do you know what's wrong with this hard drive, or how to troubleshoot it?  
> >It's almost brand new, but is it a warranty item?
> 
> who knows maybe it's software error, but more likely a loss of power
> while running/writting, but much much more likely a disk failure.

I reckon it's a disk failure. I had exactly the same thing happen, but
with a SCSI disk, so the SCSI driver spat out all sorts of helpful
error messages like "Unrecoverable read error" and other technical
euphemisms for "fucked". And just prior to this it had been giving me
messages about running out of room in the grown defects map.

It Shouldn't Happen To A Brand New Disk... doesn't mean it never will.

> anyway, you can use the -y option in fsck to answer yes to all the
> questions.

This is true, but in this situation you won't find anything useful on
the disk at the end of it.

You might not even get to the end of it. After fixing a few hundred
thousand errors automatically it may come to something it can't fix. I
tried three times, got this problem, and decided it wasn't worth
bothering with. Fortunately I had backups.

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Re: Using new Apple displays on Debian/Intel box?

[Pigeon]

On Tue, Feb 11, 2003 at 02:42:42AM -0700, Randolph S. Kahle wrote:
> I am looking at the new Apple displays (the 23" 1920x1200 display).
> 
> What would I need to make this work on a Intel Pentium III box with an
> ASUS P2B-DS MB?
> 
> Am I crazy to try this? I would clearly need a new graphics card to
> match the display.
> 
> Would this be supported by the Debian distribution? XFree86 drivers?
> 
> Randy

AFAIK it is possible to get adaptors that enable you to connect a Mac
monitor to a VGA card.

I suspect your main problem will be that the monitor won't understand
the signal it's getting until your system has booted far enough to
load something that changes the resolution from DOS-style 80x25 to
something that your monitor can cope with. This will probably mean
enabling framebuffer support, and having an ordinary monitor to swap
in if you have the need to diagnose booting problems at some future
date.

As far as X is concerned you just need to set the appropriate values
for your monitor in XF86Config, and away you go.

That's your other main problem, of course: extracting from Apple the
horizontal and vertical sync range that the monitor will accept.

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Re: pronto users ???

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Vineet Kumar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Thursday, 13 February 2003, 05:29 PM -0800):
> * Michael D. Schleif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 14:16]:
> > 
> > Any pronto mua users here?
> 
> You could grep this mailbox for User-Agent headers...

... and you'll likely find about half of them use mutt... ;-)

> > ... I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
> > message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
> > woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
> > elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> > 
> > I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
> > many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
> > folders from within mutt.

What don't you like about the navigation? What kind of mail format are
you using (Maildir, mbox, MH...)? I use IMAP (more on that below), and I
like the ability to define mailboxes I use regularly for 'one stop
shopping', as well as being able to navigate my "tree" when I want to.
Best yet, I can do it all from my keyboard

Is that the part you don't like -- that it's console-based? If so, mutt
definitely *isn't* for you. However, give it a try -- I was a die-hard
GUI mail-reader fanatic, but was constantly getting frustrated with the
memory and CPU overhead of GUI apps (I'm on a 366Mhz machine that, until
recently, had minimal memory). I forced myself to try mutt for a couple
weeks, and I've never gone back.

> > Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
> >  has not revealed much detail.

I used Pronto! for a few months a couple years ago, and recall liking
it. What I *didn't* like is that I recall it storing messages in a MySQL
database -- however, I see it now has support for mbox and Maildir, so
that's a moot issue.  However, because it *did* use a database, the
programmer had done a nice job with nested folders (I think every
programmer at some point tries their hand at trees and folders).


> As a side note, I can recommend that the most convenient way I've found
> to transport mail from proprietary stores (outlook, etc.) to righteous
> ones is via an IMAP server.  Should you decide to just move everything
> to the IMAP store and keep it there, this gives you the advantage of
> being able to access the same data and folder hierarchy from whatever
> MUA you feel like at any time (and from whatever site, no less).

I *heartily* second this! For several years, I kept trying just about
every new mailer I came across because the one I was using didn't have X
feature, or because the new mailer had this new cool Y feature... I
can't tell you how many times I had to move mail stores from one app to
another or one format to another Ugghh! Finally I got the idea to
throw up an IMAP server, and it made these "conversions" so much easier,
as I never had to worry about the backend -- just the frontend.

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Re: SoundChip Realtek ALC650 [Solved]

[Gemini]

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Absolutely nothing tricky. I just downloaded an mp3 file and I issued the 
command line : mpg123 filename.mp3
and it played the song just fine ... I even raised the volume on my speakers 
to be sure it works :))

I also tried an ogg file with xmms. It worked fine too.

In order to make arts work, in the control center, I told it to be in the ALSA 
mode and it is working fine as well. 
I just miss arts sound  for normal user (but xmms and mpg123 works fine) but 
that is probably another problem I will investigate when I have more time :)

If it is not working for you, I suspect you did not follow the instructions 
exactly.

Maybe this can help you too : 
[root@Gemini root]# lsmod | grep snd
snd-pcm-oss36964   0  (autoclean)
snd-mixer-oss  10752   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss]
snd-via82xx 7524   0  (autoclean)
snd-pcm56416   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-via82xx]
snd-timer  10688   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm]
snd-mpu401-uart 2720   0  (autoclean) [snd-via82xx]
snd-rawmidi12736   0  (autoclean) [snd-mpu401-uart]
snd-seq-device  3920   0  (autoclean) [snd-rawmidi]
snd-ac97-codec 25264   0  (autoclean) [snd-via82xx]
snd25128   0  (autoclean) [snd-pcm-oss snd-mixer-oss 
snd-via82xx snd-pcm snd-timer snd-mpu401-uart snd-rawmidi snd-seq-device 
snd-ac97-codec]
soundcore   3684   3  [snd]

Hope this helps

Gemini

Le Jeudi 13 Février 2003 20:44, Andrew Perrin a écrit :
> Can you tell me exactly what you do to play audio (any audio would be fine
> at this point, just to show it's working)?  Thanks.
>
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Re: Problems with Quake ]I[ Arena

[Christian Arthaber]

* [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-14 03:02]:
> Just a quick update on my efforts to solve this sound problem with Q3A.
> 
> After trying 1.32b point release and after a *lot* of googling I am
> convinced that the problem (crashing with sound) is related to i810 sound
> driver. I am using i810 sound driver (OSS) (which is reporttedly 'very
> alpha') and supports a smaller subset of features. When I run Q3A *without
> sound*, I have no problems (and the game is very quick!).
> 
> So I guess OSS i810 driver is OK for oggs, mp3s and such but as as soon as
> you try something more demanding like Q3A, problems may occur.

oooh i810. what sound card are you using? sis chipset onboard-sound?
if yes, then i had the same problem.. and, as sorry as i am, the
only way i got sound in q3a was buying a soundcard. 

> 
> So, the next step I guess is to build kernel with Alsa sound drivers for
> i810.  However, there are reports that Q3A crashes with beta drivers from
> ALSA, so there is a catch there too...

when i tried this half a year ago i didn't made it. so good look! -
i hope it will work now - and please post your experiences - would
be interesting.
> 
> Interesting...

indeed

> 
> Davor

christian


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Re: /cdrom -vs- /dev/hdc

[Matthew Weier O'Phinney]

-- Pigeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote
(on Thursday, 13 February 2003, 03:51 PM +):
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 09:27:47PM -0500, Seneca wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 06:46:37PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
> > >  I'm having some trouble loading my audio cd through /cdrom directory. 
> > > Before I start talking about the problem, here are the files that are of 
> > > use to this problem.
> > [...]
> > >  I can actually load audio files through /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom but I 
> > > cannot load them through /cdrom. I can mount and run data cds perfectly 
> > > through /cdrom but the audio files don't show up there for some reason.
> > >  Does anyone have an idea why this doesn't work? I'm looking to solve this 
> > > problem rather than to ignore it and use /dev/hdc or /dev/cdrom to load 
> > > audio files. Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Data disks generally have a file system, while audio disks generally
> > don't.  You need a file system to mount the disk.  You can get a list of
> > tracks that are on a disk using a package like cdcd (on the command
> > line, "cdcd tracks").
> > 

> 
> In Windoze, you can get a (very buggy) patched DLL that turns audio
> tracks into regular files, so you can rip tracks simply by copying the
> files, etc. Surely there must be some way to get the same functionality
> in Linux? cddafs.o?

Okay, what with trading emails with Bruce and following this thread, I
think I better understand what you all are asking. And I *have* heard of
a way to do this -- my understanding is that konqueror has some such
facility for browsing the tracks on an audio CD. I haven't done it, so
you'll have to investigate yourself, or ask others on the list.

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Re: Bad fortune

[sean finney]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 06:39:54PM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
> [/usr/games/fortune now works as expected]

dpkg -L is a nice trick.   also, try -S 'filename' if you want to know
what package owns a particular file.

> I looked before and did not see this directory. Neither did locate
> fortune turn up any entries

that's because locate is run once a day from cron, and probably hadn't
been updated yet.  something else you can do with programs in particular
is

$ which programname 

(if it's in your path), and alternatively

$ whereis programname 

(which searches a few more places as well)



sean



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Re: Printing Problem

[Roberto Sanchez]

hi ya roberto

on your print server...

d/l and install  magicfilter to make life 10x easier


vi /etc/printcap
	#
	# http://www.Linux-Consulting.com/Downloads/LPR/printcap
	#
	lp|Epson800:\
:lp=/dev/lp0:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd:\
:pw:132:\
:fq:\
:sh:mx#0:\
:if=/usr/local/sbin/printers/stc800:\
:lf=/var/spool/lpd/lp-log:

	--
	-- you might wanna look for say stc400 instead
	-- in that magicfilter directory
	--


restart lpd ...

lpr /etc/printcap

-

for your other PCs... those would look at your printserver as
a network printer

for your other linux boxes ... printing to the linux box w/
the epson physcially connected to it

vi /etc/printcap
	#
	# ip# of the print server
	#
	lp|Epson800:\
:sd=/var/spool/lpd/lp:\
:rm=w.x.y.z:

resstart lpd ...


post any error messages

and to make things fun...
	- print an asci file first
	- print a very very small postscript file
	- print the tiger
	- print from netscape
	- print pages side-by-side

c ya
alvin



OK.  I know it's been a few days, but here is where I am.  I managed to get 
the printer installed using the Epson Stylus Color 800 ECS / P2 (or whatever 
it is) driver under lprngtool.  Unfortunately, when I installed using 
magicfilter, lprngtool was not able to read the /etc/printcap.  I can print 
an ASCII test page and also the PS test page (but only in B&W at low res 
360x360).  I am not sure what else I can do.  I was not able to get it 
working under OpenOffice (on the local machine) and have not yet tried over 
the network.  I would like to see if I can get this working in color at the 
higher resolution of 720x720.  I checked out the lprng HOWTO but it was not 
very helpful (and a little too much technical crap, about 350 pages in all, 
for me to wade through at the moment).

-Roberto

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ut2003/Games in general woes

[karrottop]

Ok, I installed ut2003 under debian 3.0 (woody) and it ran.  I have
recently upgraded to (Sid) and now it only goes to splash screen then
blacks out my window, just to return directly to my desktop.  So, I
installed tuxracer, all it does is turn my monitor on a different
resolution then quits, and thats not verry nice because It doesen't let
me ctl-alt-+ to return back to my original rez.  Here is the output I
get from ut2003:
-
WeaponXbox:~# ut2003
Xlib:  extension "XiG-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD" missing on display ":0.0".
OpenGL renderer relies on DXTC/S3TC support.
 
History:
 
Exiting due to error
-

Also as a side note if somebody knows, I have had problems downloading
maps when I connect to online serversIt downloads and then after it
finishes it tells me it had a error moving the file, any insight into
that would be appreciated as well.

Thank you for your time
Jason Self


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RE: Problems with Quake ]I[ Arena

[dbalder]

Just a quick update on my efforts to solve this sound problem with Q3A.

After trying 1.32b point release and after a *lot* of googling I am
convinced that the problem (crashing with sound) is related to i810 sound
driver. I am using i810 sound driver (OSS) (which is reporttedly 'very
alpha') and supports a smaller subset of features. When I run Q3A *without
sound*, I have no problems (and the game is very quick!).

So I guess OSS i810 driver is OK for oggs, mp3s and such but as as soon as
you try something more demanding like Q3A, problems may occur.

So, the next step I guess is to build kernel with Alsa sound drivers for
i810.  However, there are reports that Q3A crashes with beta drivers from
ALSA, so there is a catch there too...

Interesting...

Davor



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Re: fsck finding thousands of errors

[Levi Waldron]

On February 13, 2003 07:28 pm, Daniel Barclay wrote:
>
> Do you have IDE disks?

Yes.

>
> Are you using DMA?

It's a Western Digital 80G HD.  The WD website at 
http://www.wdc.com/products/Products.asp?DriveID=5&Lang=1
says, among other things:

Interface: Ultra ATA/100
Mode 5 Ultra ATA100.0 MB/s
Mode 4 Ultra ATA66.6 MB/s
Mode 2 Ultra ATA33.3 MB/s
Mode 4 PIO16.6 MB/s
Mode 2 multi-word DMA16.6 MB/s

Does this help answer your question?  I didn't do anything outside of a 
normal  stock installation to turn DMA support on or off.

>
> If so, what kind of motherboard and/or IDE controller cards are you
> using?

Motherboard: Soyo Dragon - AMD Socket-A Base Via KT266 ATX
CPU: AMD 1400 Thunderbird
RAM: 256K 266-DDR
/dev/hdb1 is 20GB

fsck has now been running for 28 consecutive hours, and the numbering of the 
inodes suggests it has "fixed" 60,000 of them now.  Maybe I can get a world  
record!  How many inodes would one 20G partition have?  I wonder what order 
of magnitude of time it might take for fsck to finish?

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Re: Bad fortune

[karrottop]

I don't know if this will help but fortune installs to
/usr/games/fortune with apt-get.  My only other thought is that you
might do a updatedb before you try and locate fortune...but that is a
long shot.

Hope that helped

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:51, David Turetsky wrote:
> I ran apt-get install fortune from the debian 3.0r1 (woody) CDs and a
> bunch of relateds 
> 
> were installed. Meanwhile I can’t find ‘fortune’ anywhere, just a
> bunch of related 
> 
> files (/usr… fortunes, riddles, etc)
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> 
> David
> 
> 


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Re: packages with configuration prompt twice

[Dave Sherohman]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:32:05PM -0500, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> When I install packages that require configuration, each one goes
> through configuration  (its sequence of questions on the console, or
> its Dialog-based menus) twice.
> 
> Is this normal, or do I have debconf set up wrong?

Glad to see I wasn't crazy...

I reported this as a bug some time ago, but the maintainer was never
able to reproduce it.  My current working theory is that it is a
result of having both debconf and debconf-tiny packages installed; I
cannot definitively state that I have ever seen it happen except when
installing debconf and removing debconf-tiny in a single apt-get.

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Re: pronto users ???

[Russell]

Michael D. Schleif wrote:

Any pronto mua users here?

As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.

I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
folders from within mutt.

Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
 has not revealed much detail.

So, I am soliciting comments from any of you kind people, especially
regarding pronto's nested subfolder facility _and_ how pronto compares
to mutt -- especially bad comparisons ;<

What do you think?


I don't know about pronto. What version of netscape? Is it on windows?
Mozilla works just like netscape, but is *much* faster at handling
large mailboxes than netscape 4.7x. Later versions of netscape are
based on mozilla, iirc.


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Re: pronto users ???

[Vineet Kumar]

* Michael D. Schleif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 14:16]:
> 
> Any pronto mua users here?

You could grep this mailbox for User-Agent headers...

> As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
> message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
> woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
> elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.
> 
> I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
> many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
> folders from within mutt.
> 
> Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
>  has not revealed much detail.

I'm not sure what you mean here; I believe mutt "supports nested
subfolders" as well.  What are you trying to do?  I guess I don't
understand what the "many nested subfolder /syndrome/" is.

As a side note, I can recommend that the most convenient way I've found
to transport mail from proprietary stores (outlook, etc.) to righteous
ones is via an IMAP server.  Should you decide to just move everything
to the IMAP store and keep it there, this gives you the advantage of
being able to access the same data and folder hierarchy from whatever
MUA you feel like at any time (and from whatever site, no less).

good times,
Vineet
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Re: Help with bootable backup

[Russell]

Vivek Kumar wrote:

Hi,

I want to create backup of my system on regular basis and make it
bootable. I don't mind creating 2 backups- one for booting and another
for data.
Kindly suggest how can i do that. I am using Debian woody.


Maybe you could burn an el-torito CD. IIRC, it boots from a
floppy image you need to record on it.


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Re: My cup runneth over!

[Nathan Poznick]

Thus spake David Turetsky:
> You sure there ain't some way to prevent a slew of xterm windows from
> opening up each time I reboot into gdm?
> Earlier today, if there was one, there was 60.70.80
> Seems like each time I reboot, the number doubles!!!

1) are you properly exiting from X when you go to reboot?
2) sounds like you're not closing your xterms when you exit, and have
the option to "save session at exit" turned on. try closing all the
xterms, and all other windows, and then cleanly exiting.  if they don't
appear again when you log back in from gdm, then track down that option
and turn it off.

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together by a single unity, the unity of freedom and equality. Whoever
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RE: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

[Fer'had Erdogan]

Yes. Did that too...

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Subject: Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

"Fer'had Erdogan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> UM.. Yeah.. I did that (followed the instructions) three times
over
> a 24 hour (earth hours) period before I posted this thing in the
actual
> user list.
> 


There might be a confirmation message asking you if you're sure you want
to be unsubscribed. If so, you probably have to reply to that to
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packages with configuration prompt twice

[Daniel Barclay]

When I install packages that require configuration, each one goes
through configuration  (its sequence of questions on the console, or
its Dialog-based menus) twice.

Is this normal, or do I have debconf set up wrong?

Thanks,
Daniel
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anyone using drbd succesfully? other mirroring options?

[Mark Roach]

I have been pounding my head against the wall (figuratively) trying to
get drbd working.

I have taken the kernel-source-2.4.18 and the upstream debian package
(version 0.6.2) and am trying to mirror 2 140G servers with little (no)
success. My systems connect fine and I get one of two outcomes

Either, during the sync process, one of the systems will disconnect and
hang with no syslog entries or after the sync process completes (after
17 hours), copying data to the master hangs the master.

I am not a newbie, and I think I have read up on the subject pretty
well, I have increased the tl-size parameter, asked questions on their
mailing list but still no luck. Everything I have read, and indeed the
nature of the software, seem to indicate that this should all Just Work.

So, my questions to you fine debian folk are, are any of you using this
product? Am I just missing something obvious? Arrggh! ok, that's not a
question. 

Does anyone have other favorite mirroring tools? I am very reluctant to
use rsync here because I want my servers synchronized as closely as
possible and rsync takes over an hour just to build the file list. I
have also looked at FAM/perl/python but it seems to choke on large
numbers of directories.

I appreciate any suggestions anyone can give me here, I am near my wit's
end.

-Mark



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Re: fsck finding thousands of errors

[Daniel Barclay]

Levi Waldron wrote:
> 
> ...  Do you
> think there could be a problem with the bios or memory now that is now
> scrambling a previously good hdd through the fsck process?  

Do you have IDE disks?

Are you using DMA?

If so, what kind of motherboard and/or IDE controller cards are you
using?

Daniel

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SOLVED - Re: Dlink Wireless USB Card: Unresolved symbols

[Kent West]

Kent West wrote:


I've put a D-Link Wireless USB "card" on this box, and installed 
"linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-686" to match my 2.4.20-686 stock kernel.

When I try to "modconf" o r"modprobe prism2_usb" I get a lot of 
unresolved symbols. When I manually run "depmod" I also get these 
errors, like so:

depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/p80211.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/prism2_pci.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/prism2_plx.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/prism2_cs.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-686/usb/prism2_usb.o


Any clues as to what I need to do to fix this problem?

Thanks!

Kent



See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=180541
It's a bug caused by the gcc transition. If I understand the bug report 
correctly, Joey has fixed it, and it should be showing up in the 
archives RSN.

Anyone know how quickly an upload to the Debian ftp site makes it down 
to the main mirrors? Is it minutes, hours, or days?

Thanks!

Kent



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My cup runneth over!

[David Turetsky]

You sure there ain’t some way to prevent a slew of xterm
windows from opening up each time I reboot into gdm?

 

Earlier today, if there was one, there was 60…70…80

 

Seems like each time I reboot, the number doubles!!!

 

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Re: ALSA sound setup

[Chris Mitchell]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:34:01PM -0600, Jamin W. Collins wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:04:49PM -0500, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> > Hi all. 
> > I'm a bit stumped in my efforts to get ALSA sound working...
(snip) 
> > lsmod has this to say:
(snip) 
> This looks good, but it appears that the OSS compatibility modules are
> not loaded.  These can be enabled by editing /etc/alsa/alsa-base.conf:
>startosslayer=true

Odd.  That line is already there, and uncommented. (Has been for more
than one reboot and some alsa stop/starts, too!) Do I need to select
them in modconf too? (I *think* that my instructions said that in
modconf I should install only soundcore and ALSA... *not* any sound
drivers...  what about "sound"? (it's currently *not* installed)).

> The following link provides instructions on how to how to configure the
> alsa modules for this card and Debian:
> 
> 
>http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php3?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live+Value&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1#modp

Hmm... *PokePokeRummage*
The relevant bit of my modules.conf sez:
  # --- BEGIN: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---
  # --- ALSACONF verion 0.4.3b ---
  alias char-major-116 snd
  alias snd-card-0 snd-card-emu10k1
  alias char-major-14 soundcore
  alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
  alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
  alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
  alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
  alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
  alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
  options snd snd_major=116 snd_cards_limit=1 snd_device_mode=0660
  snd_device_gid=29 snd_device_uid=0
  options snd-card-emu10k1 snd_index=0 snd_id=CARD_0
  snd_dac_frame_size=128 snd_adc_frame_size=64
  # --- END: Generated by ALSACONF, do not edit. ---

which seems to be identical to what's listed on that page... with the
addition of the "options" stuff at the end.

The rest of what's on that page looks to be "how to install with 'make'"
(which, er, appears not to apply to my case)  and how to tweak the
.asoundrc file, which it says is optional (so I'll worry about that
after basic functionality is achieved)...

> Are you by chance using DevFS?  Does /dev/mixer exist?  What are the
> permissions on it?

DevFS?  Not that I'm aware of :) (What's a DevFS?)  My system is pretty
close to straight-outtta-the-box 3.0r1 (I guess that's 'woody').

And yep, /dev/mixer seems to exist:
  lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   11 Jan 26 15:48 mixer -> /dev/mixer0
  crw-rw1 root audio 14,   0 Jan 26 15:48 mixer0

Still pokin' away at it (albeit with limited understanding).  I'm
starting to suffer withdrawal from my favourite webcast station... :-/

Thanks,
Chris



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RE: Bad fortune

[David Turetsky]

Package 'fortune is not installed

A list is directories is then rendered starting with

/.
/usr
/usr/games
/usr/games/fortune

[/usr/games/fortune now works as expected]

[more directory listings]

Package 'fortune-min' is not installed

Use dpkg --info (= dpkg-deb --info) to examine archive files

I looked before and did not see this directory. Neither did locate
fortune turn up any entries

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Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 11:49 AM
To: David Turetsky
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Bad fortune

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 09:51:32AM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
> I ran apt-get install fortune from the debian 3.0r1 (woody) CDs and a
> bunch of relateds 
> 
> were installed. Meanwhile I can't find 'fortune' anywhere, just a
bunch
> of related 

you sure it's not in /usr/games?

what does 

$ dpkg -L fortune fortune-mod fortunes-min

say?


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Re: Netgear EA201C isa nic - compatable or not

[Jason M. Harvey]

> 
> Yes.  I have two of them in the 486 I use as a router.  Just keep an
> MS-DOS boot disk handy.
> 
> Snippets from `dmesg` :
> Kernel command line: root=/dev/hda1 read-only ether=11,0x300,eth0
> ether=15,0x320,eth1 mem=8192K
> 
> ne.c:v1.10 9/23/94 Donald Becker ([EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Last modified Nov 1, 2000 by Paul Gortmaker
> NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x300: 00 40 05 9e bd bf
> eth0: NE2000 found at 0x300, using IRQ 11.
> NE*000 ethercard probe at 0x320: 00 40 05 9e 8d ba
> eth1: NE2000 found at 0x320, using IRQ 15.
> 
> /etc/modutils/local.conf:
> # the Netgear EA-201 NE2k clone ISA ethernet adapter
> alias eth0 ne
> alias eth1 ne
> options ne io=0x300,0x320
> 
> 
> You need to keep an MS-DOS boot disk handy so you can set the base IO
> address and IRQ for the card.  Instead of using jumpers, these cards
> use a programmable chip, and an MS-DOS program on the floppy that
> comes in the box.  Just FYI, that utility attempts to be smart about
> conflicts, so make sure you run it with the box the card will end up
> in, or in a box that has the same set of used vs. unused IO/IRQ.  (my
> router has no floppy, so I tried setting one of the cards in another
> box that had other ISA cards and the utility wouldn't let me create a
> "conflict")
> 
> -D
> 
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> impossible to accomplish complex actions."
> --Doug Gwyn  (22/Jun/91 in comp.unix.wizards)
>  
> http://dman.ddts.net/~dman/

excellent!

thanks d-man. this is not the first time you have given me excellent
advice that i will follow.

take care,
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Re: IPv6 resolvers?i

[Noah L. Meyerhans]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:33:39PM -0500, Robert L. Harris wrote:
> I'm trying to get IPv6 running on 2 of my  systems.  One is Unstable,
> the other is Stable.  On both of them I do a:
> 
> host (ip6 addr for a known machine) and I get nothing.
> 
> root@wally
> {0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>host test-ip6.company.com
> root@wally
> {0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>



> ;; QUESTION SECTION:
> ;test-ip6.company.com. IN  A

You're asking the wrong question.  A records don't point to IPv6
addresses.

Try 'host -t  test-ip6.company.com'.

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Re: fstab/mount filesystem nomenclature

[Pigeon]

On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 08:29:01PM -0500, David Turetsky wrote:
> New development: (in some quarters, called Progress)
> 
> I chatted on the phone today with WD. Apparently the ~120GB limitation
> is a consequence of my using native Windows drivers which do not have
> 48-bit addressing capability and thus cannot address beyond the 120GB
> limit (I trust you guys on the arithmetic)
> 
> Apparently when I installed drive 1 (/hde) using the WD utility
> provided, that installed the 48-bit addressing driver and associated
> /hde with it. Since I partitioned /hdf entirely with the native Windows
> partition software, that drive did not have 48 bit addressing support
> 
> So, from Windows XP, I upgraded the driver, and lo and behold I was now
> able to see the full 160GB in /hdf, and formatted a third partition
> under fat32
> 
> Now when I look at both drives from linux using cfdisk, I CAN'T SEE
> EITHER DRIVE!!!
> 
> Conclusion: cfdisk (and I presume debian in general) does not provide 48
> bit support and reaches erroneous conclusions ("Bad primary partition x:
> Partition begins after end-of-disk", where x=1 for /hde and x=2 for
> /hdf)

>From looking around on the linux-kernel archives it seems that 48-bit
support is around from kernel 2.4.18, and there's more in 2.4.20, but
with odd problems with certain controllers, including certain Promise
ones. I also found a few reports of people who didn't expect 48-bit to
work finding that it did, with recent 2.4 kernels and Maxtor drives or
in one instance apparently a 180Gb WD drive.

It looks to me as if Windoze on its own, or Linux on its own, would be
fine. But in combining the two, they handle 48-bit differently, and so
produce incompatible partition tables.

I don't suppose it'll be too long before Linux gains support for these
partition tables. In the meantime, I think your best bet is to have
one drive purely for Linux, one purely for Windoze, and a third,
smaller drive common to both so you can share files with it.

Alternatively, you could put both your 160Gb drives in a separate
Linux box with a fast Ethernet card and use that, headless, as a
fileserver to your main box.

> I have cfdisk version 2.11n installed. The package version available at
> the debian site is 2.11n-5+1. I'm not familiar with which drivers
> provide disk I/O

I think all versions of cfdisk would behave the same. What kernel
version have you got (what does uname -r say) ?

Pigeon


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Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

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Re: killing a 'D' process

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 12:20:23PM -0500, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
| On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 10:31, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
| > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 09:53:15PM +0100, martin f krafft wrote:
[found a 'D' process, can't kill it, short explanation]

| Although referring someone who is frustrated with this particular aspect
| arising on Linux to the Hurd is like saying "if you sometimes have
| troubles getting through to someone using a telephone, you should switch
| to telepathy."

I didn't tell martin to use Hurd instead of linux.  This problem in
linux (and *BSD and unix in general) is directly related to the
architecture of the system.  While I understand what causes the
problem, and that at least the problem doesn't directly hurt the
stability of the system, I wanted to share a different perspective.
It's logically possible that the Hurd doesn't have this problem, due
to its different architecture.  OTOH, as you explained and I briefly
mentioned, the same problem may exist but with slightly different
symptons.  Whether or not one should use the Hurd instead of linux is
a separate issue from merely discussing architectural tradeoffs.  In
fact, I have never installed the Hurd, because I don't have a spare
system (or time) to experiment on that level.  Nonetheless, the Hurd
is interesting and different.

| We are better off to be able to see that these happen, and look at
| taking actions to develop work-arounds of the blocking in an updated
| version.

Sometimes it is healthy to look at a different architecture and
compare its solutions and tradeoffs with the system you are using,
even if only to improve your system rather than switch systems.

-D

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Re: how the fuck do I unsubscribe

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Re: ALSA sound setup

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 04:04:49PM -0500, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> Hi all. 
>   I'm a bit stumped in my efforts to get ALSA sound working...
> and I've been unable to find much in the way of docs for ALSA
> (No "man alsa", /usr/doc/alsa* adds up to a couple examples, several
> copies of the changelog, and some copyright info... and alsa-project.org
> seems to have  little or nothing beyond the "sound-card matrix"). Any
> help and/or pointers to (helpful) docs would be greatly appreciated... 
(snip) 
> I installed alsa-base 0.9+0beta12, alsa-modules 0.9+0beta10, and
> alsa-utils 0.5.10-1... This required me to upgrade to kernel 2.4.16-686.
> Done (and verified with uname that that is the currently booted kernel).
> I established that my card (SBLive! 5.1) is called emu10k1, and
> told ALSA to use that module...
> lsmod has this to say:
> snd-card-emu10k11952   0  (unused)
> snd-emu10k147200   0  [snd-card-emu10k1]
> snd-pcm46176   0  [snd-emu10k1]
> snd-timer   9056   0  [snd-pcm]
> snd-rawmidi11456   0  [snd-emu10k1]
> snd-hwdep   3456   0  [snd-emu10k1]
> snd-util-mem1184   0  [snd-emu10k1]
> snd-ac97-codec 22848   0  [snd-emu10k1]
> snd-seq-device  3744   0  [snd-card-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi]
> snd23336   0  [snd-card-emu10k1 snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm
> snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-hwdep snd-util-mem snd-ac97-codec
> snd-seq-device]
> soundcore   3556   2  [snd]

This looks good, but it appears that the OSS compatibility modules are
not loaded.  These can be enabled by editing /etc/alsa/alsa-base.conf:

   startosslayer=true

> And every time I log in to Gnome, or launch Gnome's mixer applet, I get
> a popup error saying "couldn't open mixer device /dev/mixer".  When I
> try amixer as root or regular user, I get more of "Mixer attach default
> error: No such file or directory".
> 
> Now, I *know* the card is good because it works (beautifully) under
> WinXP (Dual-boot machine... I haven't made a clean break so far)...
> 
> So... please somebody give me a nudge in the right direction.

The following link provides instructions on how to how to configure the
alsa modules for this card and Debian:

http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/doc-php/template.php3?company=Creative+Labs&card=Soundblaster+Live+Value&chip=EMU10K1&module=emu10k1#modp

Are you by chance using DevFS?  Does /dev/mixer exist?  What are the
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Re: ALSA sound setup

[Nicos Gollan]

On Thursday 13 February 2003 22:04, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> Hi all.
>   I'm a bit stumped in my efforts to get ALSA sound working...
> and I've been unable to find much in the way of docs for ALSA
> (No "man alsa", /usr/doc/alsa* adds up to a couple examples, several
> copies of the changelog, and some copyright info... and alsa-project.org
> seems to have  little or nothing beyond the "sound-card matrix"). Any
> help and/or pointers to (helpful) docs would be greatly appreciated...

You should have a look at the detail links in the "Supported Soundcards" 
section. The specifics for single cards often contain information on what to 
put in config files.

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Re: /cdrom -vs- /dev/hdc

[Mark L. Kahnt]

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 10:51, Pigeon wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 09:27:47PM -0500, Seneca wrote:
> > On Wed, Feb 12, 2003 at 06:46:37PM -0500, Bruce Park wrote:
> > >  I'm having some trouble loading my audio cd through /cdrom directory. 
> > > Before I start talking about the problem, here are the files that are of 
> > > use to this problem.
> > [...]
> > >  I can actually load audio files through /dev/hdc and /dev/cdrom but I 
> > > cannot load them through /cdrom. I can mount and run data cds perfectly 
> > > through /cdrom but the audio files don't show up there for some reason.
> > >  Does anyone have an idea why this doesn't work? I'm looking to solve this 
> > > problem rather than to ignore it and use /dev/hdc or /dev/cdrom to load 
> > > audio files. Any help or suggestion is greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Data disks generally have a file system, while audio disks generally
> > don't.  You need a file system to mount the disk.  You can get a list of
> > tracks that are on a disk using a package like cdcd (on the command
> > line, "cdcd tracks").
> > 
> > You are probably familiar with the basic concept of formatting floppies
> > for general use. The formatting first sets the sector size, interleave,
> > the number of cylinders used on the disk.  After that, a file system may
> > be put onto the disk, a common one being FAT12.  When that is done, you
> > can mount the floppy.  However, the disk does not need to have a file
> > system put onto it; a fair number of my floppies that I use don't (file
> > transfer using "tar -rf /dev/floppy/0u1440 foo").  If I try to mount
> > one one of those floppies, I get an error.  I can, however, read the
> > files contained in the archive.  All I do list the files is
> > "tar -tf /dev/floppy/0u1440", to extract, "tar -xf /dev/floppy/0u1440
> > foo".
> > 
> > With many audio CDs it is a similar situation to that of floppies with
> > no file system.  While you can listen to the disks by specifying the
> > drive, you cannot mount them.  You can take a look at the contents, but
> > you need to use something designed for that task.
> 
> In Windoze, you can get a (very buggy) patched DLL that turns audio
> tracks into regular files, so you can rip tracks simply by copying the
> files, etc. Surely there must be some way to get the same functionality
> in Linux? cddafs.o?
> 
> Pigeon

There is cdfs, but my experience with it has been that while it has
*claimed* that the files it was listing were WAV files, they weren't.
They weren't CDR tracks, either. It might be that it needed a bit more
code tuning at the time, and is far better now.
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pronto users ???

[Michael D. Schleif]

Any pronto mua users here?

As you may or may not know, I am working on moving a 2GB, ~100
message, ~500 folder, ~400 messages per day mail archive to debian
woody.  Currently, this is used by netscrape mail in an convenient and
elaborate hierarchy of folders sometimes (10) or more levels deep.

I'm testing mutt; but, I have not found as convenient a solution to the
many nested subfolder syndrome, especially regarding the navigation of
folders from within mutt.

Further investigation shows that pronto supports nested subfolders; but,
 has not revealed much detail.

So, I am soliciting comments from any of you kind people, especially
regarding pronto's nested subfolder facility _and_ how pronto compares
to mutt -- especially bad comparisons ;<

What do you think?

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Re: Windowmaker question

[donw]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:37:56PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have a Windowmaker question.  When you launch a program (say xterm) 
> you get the program window and an icon.  How do I get windowmaker to 
> not display the extra icon?  I know that you can have the clip auto 
> attract them and then collapse, but I want to use the clip to display 
> icons for programs and to display my docked programs (i.e. wmclock, 
> wmcpuload, etc.).

Window Menu -> Attributes -> Applicatipn Specific

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Re: killing a 'D' process

[Nicos Gollan]

On Thursday 13 February 2003 19:07, Craig Dickson wrote:
> martin f krafft wrote:
> > also sprach Nicos Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.13.1257 +0100]:
> > > (For all those who don't know what /proc/kmem is: DON'T DO THIS!)
> >
> > For all those who'd have to do this on a regular basis: switch to
> > a better OS.
>
> Such as?

DOS 1. No network, no multitasking, no problems. You could also try emacs, but 
I heard that OS was missing an editor...

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Re: fsck finding thousands of errors

[Levi Waldron]

On February 13, 2003 11:42 am, George Georgalis wrote:
> anyway, you can use the -y option in fsck to answer yes to all the
> questions.

I thank both of you for the tips.  We're still not sure what caused the 
catastrophic hard drive failure, although it may become more clear after 
figuring out whether the drive is now junk or not.  I had already give the -y 
order before reading Alvin's message.  I'm still don't understand what there 
is to lose by fscking the disk, answering "y" to all the questions?  Do you 
think there could be a problem with the bios or memory now that is now 
scrambling a previously good hdd through the fsck process?  Anyways, there's 
nothing to lose here other than the annoyance of redoing a fresh installation 
and, he'd already yessed a couple thousand fsck fixes manually.  

Last I heard, it has been fixing inodes for almost 24 hours at a rate of 
about one per 2 seconds.  I wonder if it will boot again if/when that ever 
finishes.

Question, Alvin:

> - if its bad mmory... i dont want the disk touched
> 
> assuming that it was shutdown properly ...
> - if your bios time is whacky... so can fsck...
> 
> - if you have bad memory... it will try to fix the drive according to
>   its bad memory content

I'm not sure what these mean.  Does

bad memory = bad RAM memory 
bios time whacky = internal clock wrong?


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Re: need help on using acpi for power management

[James D. Freels]

Never mind here.  I discovered my newly compiled kernel was not getting liloed 
correctly.  All is well now!

On Thursday 13 February 2003 14:38, James D. Freels wrote:
> Hello All !
>
> I have been fortunate enough for my employer to have acquired me a new
> machine on which I naturally am running Debian/Sid.  All goes quite well,
> but I do not have the acpi features of the motherboard working.
>
> The motherboard is an Intel SE7500CW2 housing dual Xeon 2.4Ghz processors.
> Yes, it is a fine machine indeed.
>
> I have the kernel 2.4.20 compiled with ACPI.  According to the motherboard
> docs, acpi is always present.  However, the bios has very little option
> with respect to power (there is a power button enable/disabled switch).
>
> I want Linux to be able to:
>
> 1) on complete shutdown, power down the machine
> 2) enable standby or shutdown mode of various components (monitor, drives,
> etc.)
> 3) generally experiment with ACPI
>
> Where can I go to get help on this ?

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ALSA sound setup

[Chris Mitchell]

Hi all. 
I'm a bit stumped in my efforts to get ALSA sound working...
and I've been unable to find much in the way of docs for ALSA
(No "man alsa", /usr/doc/alsa* adds up to a couple examples, several
copies of the changelog, and some copyright info... and alsa-project.org
seems to have  little or nothing beyond the "sound-card matrix"). Any
help and/or pointers to (helpful) docs would be greatly appreciated... 
So here's the problem:

--The short version--
I've installed alsa v 0.9 to drive my Creative Labs SBLive! 5.1,
and it seems to think it's working:
  miguel# /etc/init.d/alsa start
  Starting ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0beta10): emu10k1.
  Restoring ALSA mixer settings...done.
  miguel#

But I have no sound. When I run alsaconf it exits with an error saying: 
  amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
  Could not initialize the mixer, the card was probably
  not detected correctly.
  miguel#

--The long version--
Please forgive me if I include irrelevant stuff or leave out key info...
I'm still rather a newbie.  So here's everthing that I thought might be
relevant...  

I installed alsa-base 0.9+0beta12, alsa-modules 0.9+0beta10, and
alsa-utils 0.5.10-1... This required me to upgrade to kernel 2.4.16-686.
Done (and verified with uname that that is the currently booted kernel).
I established that my card (SBLive! 5.1) is called emu10k1, and
told ALSA to use that module...
lsmod has this to say:
snd-card-emu10k11952   0  (unused)
snd-emu10k147200   0  [snd-card-emu10k1]
snd-pcm46176   0  [snd-emu10k1]
snd-timer   9056   0  [snd-pcm]
snd-rawmidi11456   0  [snd-emu10k1]
snd-hwdep   3456   0  [snd-emu10k1]
snd-util-mem1184   0  [snd-emu10k1]
snd-ac97-codec 22848   0  [snd-emu10k1]
snd-seq-device  3744   0  [snd-card-emu10k1 snd-rawmidi]
snd23336   0  [snd-card-emu10k1 snd-emu10k1 snd-pcm
snd-timer snd-rawmidi snd-hwdep snd-util-mem snd-ac97-codec
snd-seq-device]
soundcore   3556   2  [snd]
(Including only the results that look (to my untrained eye) relevant.)

lspci says this:
00:12.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
00:12.1 Input device controller: Creative Labs SB Live! (rev 07)
(again showing only the obviously relevant entries)

Now when I run alsaconf, it doesn't detect my card; so I choose SB Live
off the list, hit okay, hit enter a few times to accept the identifier
CARD_0, the max. dac 128, max. adc 64... Then it says:
   OK, 1 card(s) configured.
   will prepare the card for playing now.
   Now I'll run '/etc/init.d/alsa start', then I'll use 'amixer'...

Then we get this response:
   Loading driver:
   Starting ALSA sound driver (version 0.9.0beta10): emu10k1.
   Restoring ALSA mixer settings...done.
   Setting the PCM volume to 100% and the Master output volume to 50%
   amixer: Mixer attach default error: No such file or directory
   Could not initialize the mixer, the card was probably
   not detected correctly.

And every time I log in to Gnome, or launch Gnome's mixer applet, I get
a popup error saying "couldn't open mixer device /dev/mixer".  When I
try amixer as root or regular user, I get more of "Mixer attach default
error: No such file or directory".

Now, I *know* the card is good because it works (beautifully) under
WinXP (Dual-boot machine... I haven't made a clean break so far)...

So... please somebody give me a nudge in the right direction.

Many thanks,
Chris



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Re: Detecting memory leaks

[Brian Nelson]

Jeetu Golani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Hi ppl,
>
> I'm using Debian 3.0, kernel 2.4.18,KDE 3.1 on a P4 2.2 with 512MB RAM and 256 
> MB Swap.
>
> I've noticed that in a few days time or weeks the system slows down i.e screen 
> refresh takes longer, apps may take longer to launch,etc.
>
> The apps I typically use are KDevelop,K3B,Kmail,KMerlin,Wine, Konqueror.
>
> I suspect Wine,Konqueror or some part of KDE 3.1 - maybe artsd or something to 
> be causing the memory leak. I suspect Konqueror because each time I  noticed 
> the slowdown I had 5 or so instances of Konq running. Wine since it's still 
> under development. Artsd since in the KDE System Guard I've noticed that 
> artsd sometimes has a User % value of 35% or so.
>
> Consequently I'm right now trying not to use Konq or Wine. Basically a trial 
> and error situation where I try not to use apps which I suspect till I figure 
> out the one that's causing the error.
>
> I would however like if there was a better way to detect if an apps leaking 
> memory. I don't have source codes of many of the apps so I can't run it in a 
> typical debugger. 

'valgrind' should detect memory leaks even if you don't have the source
and don't have debugging symbols compiled in.  valgrind was written by
one of the KDE developers I believe, and all of KDE should have been
tested with it already.

> I would appreciate any suggestions you guys could gimme about tools for this 
> purpose or watever.also anyone else facing similar probs with KDE 3.1??

The classic tools for checking memory usage is 'free' (system-wide) and
'top' (per process), though if you're using KDE, you may find ksysguard
more to your liking.

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Re: Disabling the framebuffer

[Cameron Matheson]

Hi,

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 03:58:38PM +, Rus Foster wrote:
> Hi All,
>  In /etc/lilo.conf if I want to disable the frame buffer what d I need to
> change the vga= line to

vga=normal

but you could disable the fb in your kernel as well.

Good luck,
Cameron


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Re: SoundChip Realtek ALC650 [Solved]

[Andrew Perrin]

Can you tell me exactly what you do to play audio (any audio would be fine
at this point, just to show it's working)?  Thanks.

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> 
> Le Jeudi 13 Février 2003 18:55, Andrew Perrin a écrit :
> > Thank you for this - it got me further than I had been before. But I still
> > have no sound.
> >
> > Any advice?  I'd rather not surrender and install another sound card.
> 
> Here is my sound file that I put in the /etc/modutils to add the support of my 
> sound card.
> I am using the VIA module as my motherboard is using a VIA KT400 chipset. 
> Since the have the same as me, I think is is normal that it did not work for 
> you with the Intel module :-)) Have you deleted all the lines related to 
> Intel ?? Anyway check my file. These are all the lines I added to make my 
> sound card work. 
> I created a file name 'snd' (anyname is ok I think) in the directory 
> /etc/modutils and then I ran the command 'update-modules' so that all the 
> lines contained in this file were added to my '/etc/modules.conf file'. 
> That's it to make a working module configuration. 
> 
> 
> alias char-major-116 snd
> options snd major=116 cards_limit=1
> #--- Via8233  and Via686A/B ---
> alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx
> options snd-via82xx index=0 id="VIA"
> #--
> alias char-major-14 soundcore
> alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
> alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
> alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
> alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
> alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
> alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
> #=
> post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 
> 2>&1 || :
> pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 
> || :
> 
> Hope this helps you better. It worked fine for me.
> 
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Re: Bogus e-mails sent ....iConnectHere has received your mail! (KMM2416947V99452L0KM)

[Gary Turner]

Colin Watson wrote:

>On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 07:24:41PM -0200, Barry Rab wrote:
>> We have received your message and will respond as quickly as possible.
>> This is an automatic response, please do not reply to this message.
>> 
>> Please visit our on line help section, as it may help to answer your
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>> 
>> Your patience is appreciated.
>[...]
>> Well how did this get on the list?
>
>A spammer probably forged [EMAIL PROTECTED] in a spam
>directed to them. Please ignore messages like this.

I wrote:

To: iConnectHere CustomerCare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: iConnectHere has received your mail!
(KMM2416947V99452L0KM)
From: Gary Turner <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:50:08 -0600

It's impolite to spam a mailing list with an autoresponder.  If you were
using a sane MTA/MUA, there are many on this list who would be happy to
help you reconfigure.

I received this header from [EMAIL PROTECTED]  He felt that
it was likely a klez artifact.  He didn't say whether an attachment
accompanied the original.

Received: from Mymailserver (Mymailserver [208.170.169.133])with SMTP
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Re: DAT tape

[Glenn English]

On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 10:18, GBV wrote:
> I have an dat tape drive om my debian 3.0r1 server...
> 
> How i can mount?

I don't think you can mount a tape - not so you can browse it, anyway.

> How i can use cron to make backups?
> 
> There an frontend backup soft?

Amanda does the job for me. It's free, and it works.

http://www.amanda.org

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Windowmaker question

[cwhmlist]

I have a Windowmaker question.  When you launch a program (say xterm) you get the 
program window and an icon.  How do I get windowmaker to not display the extra icon?  
I know that you can have the clip auto attract them and then collapse, but I want to 
use the clip to display icons for programs and to display my docked programs (i.e. 
wmclock, wmcpuload, etc.).

Thanks,

Chris


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IPv6 resolvers?i

[Robert L. Harris]

I'm trying to get IPv6 running on 2 of my  systems.  One is Unstable,
the other is Stable.  On both of them I do a:

host (ip6 addr for a known machine) and I get nothing.

root@wally
{0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>host test-ip6.company.com
root@wally
{0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>




However if I do it from my friend's OS-X mac it resolves fine.  

If I do the host -v I can see it querry the server:

root@wally
{0}:/usr/share/doc/apache-common>host -v test-ip6.company.com
Trying "test-ip6.company.com"
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 3965
;; flags: qr aa rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 0, AUTHORITY: 1, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;test-ip6.company.com. IN  A

;; AUTHORITY SECTION:
company.com.   43200   IN  SOA ns1.company.com.
hostmaster.company.com. 2003021401 28800 1800 604800 43200

Received 106 bytes from 64.94.1.1#53 in 103 ms

** Note the empty entry on the QUESTION secion.  If I run it from the
Mac that has the valid IPv6 Addr.

Do I need a different resolver?  Suggestions on where to get them?



(Sorry I can't give out the hostname as it's a tester on a commercial 
network DNS they don't want spread around while we build/test)


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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Levi Waldron]

On February 13, 2003 01:19 pm, Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:
> Hi,
>
> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot? How can I synchronize the modification stored
> in the journal file?

>From http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/sct/ext3/README :


How to move back from ext3 to ext2
--

It's quite easy.  If you unmount an ext3 filesystem cleanly, then you
can remount it as ext2 without any other commands.  If you crash and are
left with an unclean ext3 filesystem, on the other hand, the filesystem
will prevent you from mounting it as ext2: it is not safe to mount it
until you have recovered the journal, and the only way to do that for
now is to mount it as ext3.

However, if for any reason you do have an ext3 filesystem which you want
to convert permanently back to ext2, whether it was cleanly unmounted or
not, you can use "debugfs" from e2fsprogs-1.17 or later to do it.
First, run debugfs and open the filesystem (the -w flag means open for
write, and the -f flag forces it to open the filesystem even if there
are unknown journal flags set):

[root@sarek /root]# debugfs
debugfs 1.18, 11-Nov-1999 for EXT2 FS 0.5b, 95/08/09
debugfs:  open -f -w /dev/sdb1 

Now, use "features" to see which feature bits are set on the filesystem:

debugfs:  features
Filesystem features: has_journal filetype sparse_super

We want to clear the journal bits, then we can quit:

debugfs:  features -has_journal -needs_recovery
Filesystem features: filetype sparse_super
debugfs:  quit
[root@sarek /root]# debugfs

That's it!


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Re: how do you save a buffer out as a file in vim?

[Xavier Barnabe-Theriault]

* Drew Cohan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [03-02-13 12:09]:
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> I want to be able to open one file in vim (vim file1), copy some arbitrary
> lines (v, down arrow, yy), and then save that buffer out as a file (file2).

NB: try "j" instead of down arrow (j is closer than the arrow).

>  
> 
> What is the ":" command to save out the buffer?
> 

:e file2

paste with p 
(which paste the last register '""'. Btw, see them with :reg)

:w

(among others ways to do it).
  
> 
> Thanks,
> 
>  
> 
> Drew
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: Help needed w/ PLIP connection

[Levi Waldron]

On February 12, 2003 03:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi all:
>
> I am having trouble debugging my plip connection.

I haven't set up plip for a couple years so my memory is a little 
foggy.  I used the PLIP-HOWTO to set up the following scripts on 
the machine cedar to connect it via plip to birch; maybe they'll 
help.  I don't have the birch scripts handy, but they were similar.

Note:  I defined the IP addresses for birch and cedar in /etc/hosts

bash-2.05a$ more /usr/local/bin/plip-on.sh
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/rmmod lp
/bin/echo 7 > /proc/parport/0/irq
/sbin/insmod plip
/sbin/ifconfig lo netmask 255.255.255.255 up
/sbin/ifconfig plip0 cedar pointopoint birch netmask 
255.255.255.255 up

bash-2.05a$ more /usr/local/bin/plip-off.sh
#!/bin/sh
/sbin/rmmod plip
/sbin/insmod lp


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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Dennis Stosberg]

Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:

> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot? How can I synchronize the modification stored
> in the journal file?

Simply mounting it is the easy way and should be ok if your
filesystem has been correctly unmounted.  If you want to delete the
journal itself, run "tune2fs -O ^has_journal /dev/xxx", run e2fsck
and delete the ".journal" file.

Regards, 
Dennis





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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:19:09PM -0500, Bruno Diniz de Paula wrote:
> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot?

Yes, you just mount it as ext2.

> How can I synchronize the modification stored in the journal file?

No need. As I understand it that happens on unmount.

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Re: SoundChip Realtek ALC650 [Solved]

[Gemini]

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Le Jeudi 13 Février 2003 18:55, Andrew Perrin a écrit :
> Thank you for this - it got me further than I had been before. But I still
> have no sound.
>
> Any advice?  I'd rather not surrender and install another sound card.

Here is my sound file that I put in the /etc/modutils to add the support of my 
sound card.
I am using the VIA module as my motherboard is using a VIA KT400 chipset. 
Since the have the same as me, I think is is normal that it did not work for 
you with the Intel module :-)) Have you deleted all the lines related to 
Intel ?? Anyway check my file. These are all the lines I added to make my 
sound card work. 
I created a file name 'snd' (anyname is ok I think) in the directory 
/etc/modutils and then I ran the command 'update-modules' so that all the 
lines contained in this file were added to my '/etc/modules.conf file'. 
That's it to make a working module configuration. 


alias char-major-116 snd
options snd major=116 cards_limit=1
#--- Via8233  and Via686A/B ---
alias snd-card-0 snd-via82xx
options snd-via82xx index=0 id="VIA"
#--
alias char-major-14 soundcore
alias sound-slot-0 snd-card-0
alias sound-service-0-0 snd-mixer-oss
alias sound-service-0-1 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-3 snd-pcm-oss
alias sound-service-0-8 snd-seq-oss
alias sound-service-0-12 snd-pcm-oss
#=
post-install sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -L >/dev/null 
2>&1 || :
pre-remove sound-slot-0 /bin/aumix-minimal -f /etc/.aumixrc -S >/dev/null 2>&1 
|| :

Hope this helps you better. It worked fine for me.

Gemini
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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Mark Ferlatte]

Bruno Diniz de Paula said on Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 01:19:09PM -0500:
> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot? How can I synchronize the modification stored
> in the journal file?

Yep.  Just change the fstab entry from ext3 to ext2, and then reboot.
The journal is flushed on a clean umount: it only needs to replay if
your computer crashes.

Once you've rebooted, you can use tune2fs to remove the journal itself.

M




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Re: killing a 'D' process

[sean finney]

On Thu, Feb 13, 2003 at 05:32:21PM +0100, René Seindal wrote:
> With such a system there is really no way of dragging a recalcitrant
> process out of kernel mode.  If it is stuck in there, it is stuck.
> Signals are registered, but not delivered, because the transition to
> user-space never happens.

well, what if a workaround were put into the driver for the removable
devices that were causing this problem in the first place?  that is,
if this were from a removable block device, and it were removed[1], and it
has a read request queued, have the driver's request handler return an
error of some kind[2].  then the process would wake up from the read,
and recieve the queued signals.


sean

[1] and the removal could be discovered by querying the device by an
interruptible_sleep_on() for the device read request, or via a userland
sysctl.

[2] granted, i'm not a kernel expert, but i've done a fair share of
hacking on it, so i wonder if this would be possible.



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Re: ext3 to ext2 convertion

[Thomas Krennwallner]

On Thu Feb 13, 2003 at 01:19:09PM -0500, the boisterous
Bruno Diniz de Paula <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote to me:
> how can I convert a ext3 partition to ext2? Is it only to change the
> type in fstab and reboot? How can I synchronize the modification stored
> in the journal file?

Just replace ext3 to ext2 in /etc/fstab.

Unless it's not the root fs and noone is using something on it (init 1),
you can just type

# umount /somedir
# mount -t ext2 /dev/blockdev /somedir

and it should be mounted as ext2.

so long
Thomas

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Re: killing a 'D' process

[Michael D. Schleif]

Craig Dickson wrote:
> 
> martin f krafft wrote:
> 
> > also sprach Nicos Gollan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.02.13.1257 +0100]:
> > > (For all those who don't know what /proc/kmem is: DON'T DO THIS!)
> >
> > For all those who'd have to do this on a regular basis: switch to
> > a better OS.
> 
> Such as?



os/390 . . .

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Re: Synaptic & can't run in console with "su" or "xhost local:roo t"

[Vineet Kumar]

* deFreese, Barry ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 11:07]:
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Haralambos Geortgilakis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> >Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 1:30 AM
> >To: Debian User Listie
> >Subject: Synaptic & can't run in console with "su" or "xhost local:root"
> >
> >Hi Yall,
> >
> >having finally, after many months of trying, finally gotten my Radeon 
> >going with the ATI drivers, Synaptic is now not happy!
> >
> >Here is a cut & past of what is up-it used to work!
> >
> >Any ideas?
> >
> >
> >Hellene:/home/haralambos# synaptic
> >Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> >Xlib: No protocol specified
> >
> >
> >Gtk-WARNING **: cannot open display: :0
> >Hellene:/home/haralambos# xhost local:root
> >Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server
> >Xlib: No protocol specified
> >
> >xhost: unable to open display ":0"
> >Hellene:/home/haralambos#
> >
> >
> 
> One thing you can try is when you su, do an su -p to preserve your
> environment.  Other than that, good luck, I could never get X apps to start
> when I su'd either??

Use sudo or 'ssh -X root@localhost'.  Forget about xhost.  Really.
Remove it from your vocabulary.  Really.

good times,
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need help on using acpi for power management

[James D. Freels]

Hello All !

I have been fortunate enough for my employer to have acquired me a new machine 
on which I naturally am running Debian/Sid.  All goes quite well, but I do 
not have the acpi features of the motherboard working.

The motherboard is an Intel SE7500CW2 housing dual Xeon 2.4Ghz processors.  
Yes, it is a fine machine indeed.  

I have the kernel 2.4.20 compiled with ACPI.  According to the motherboard 
docs, acpi is always present.  However, the bios has very little option with 
respect to power (there is a power button enable/disabled switch).

I want Linux to be able to:

1) on complete shutdown, power down the machine
2) enable standby or shutdown mode of various components (monitor, drives, 
etc.)
3) generally experiment with ACPI

Where can I go to get help on this ?

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Oak Ridge National Laboratory
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Dlink Wireless USB Card: Unresolved symbols

[Kent West]

OT: I've just built a box from Sid; got KDE3. Wow! Very Macintosh 
Aqua-ish. I like it.

Back on-Topic: I've put a D-Link Wireless USB "card" on this box, and 
installed "linux-wlan-ng-modules-2.4.20-686" to match my 2.4.20-686 
stock kernel.

When I try to "modconf" o r"modprobe prism2_usb" I get a lot of 
unresolved symbols. When I manually run "depmod" I also get these 
errors, like so:

depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/p80211.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/prism2_pci.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/net/prism2_plx.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/pcmcia/prism2_cs.o
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.20-686/usb/prism2_usb.o


Any clues as to what I need to do to fix this problem?

Thanks!

Kent



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Re: Iptables Help

[Vineet Kumar]

* GBV ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030213 10:08]:
> I have an webserver on port 3321
> how I can use iptables to deny(drop) all packages coming from internet??

iptables -P INPUT DROP

will drop all incoming packets period.

> 
> my inet interface is eth0

iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -i eth0

will drop all packets inbound from eth0.

> 
> something like
> 
> Deny any request coming from eth0, destinated to this host on port 3321

iptables -A INPUT -j DROP -i eth0 -d $EXT_IP -p tcp --destination-port 3321

Given examples like this, it seems like it would be easy to write a
natural-language-to-iptables parser ;-)

Seriously, though, I highly recommend _reading_ and _understanding_ the
netfilter documentation:

http://netfilter.samba.org/

Having a poorly-configured firewall is arguably worse than no firewall
at all, for the false sense of security you get with the former.  It is
a worthwhile exercise to sit down and determine your needs in terms of
security and access.  Then, if you understand how to use your tools, it
should be easy to implement a plan that will meet your needs.

good times,
Vineet


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Re: Iptables Help

[jereme]

"GBV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have an webserver on port 3321
> 
> how I can use iptables to deny(drop) all packages coming from internet??

[...]

> Deny any request coming from eth0, destinated to this host on port
> 3321

I had a bit of trouble interpretting what you really wanted answered.
You should be a bit more specific about the machine's configuration
and what you are looking to achive.

None the less, I am going to *assume* that you do not want a default
deny type setup, (though you probably should).  Going on that
assumption, to have your host drop all packets destined for a 3321/tcp
listener on interface eth0.

iptables -A INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 3321 -j DROP

...is one of many ways to do it and it assume that the input chains
policy is ACCEPT.

Let me reidirate, this is a _very_bad_ way to conscruct a firewall.  A
better arpproach would be to tell us what services you do want to
provide, and to whom, the number of interfaces and their connections,
etc.

Then you set the default policy on all chains to DENY and open only
those services you intend to provide and can secure.  This is then a
good place to start from, their are many other layers of security to
consider, tcpwrappers, ALG's, etc.

Perhaps this is a multihomed host and it has a web server on 3321/tcp
and you only want it listening on the internal interface?  Most
daemons can be configured to bind to a specific addr as versus all
available, though this in no way preclude the need to harden an
Internet accessible system.  You should consider all these angles.



hope that, (at least mildly) helps,
jereme

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