Slow X startup

[Rob VanFleet]

After installing woody on my home machine I've noticed severe delays in
X startup, specifically loading the window manager.  I'm using blackbox
so the WM itself should not be an issue - I've ran this exact setup on
the machine in the past without problem.  After looking the XFree86.log,
the only anomaly I've seen is this:

(WW) Cannot open APM

I've also noticed this message immediately after running startx:

warning: process set to nice value 0 instead of -10 as requested

Why is this?  In the past I had no problems running at -10.  I'm
guessing that since I'm missing something, as I haven't had these
problems before.

My video card is a 3dfx Voodoo3 3500, and I have both agpgart and dri
compiled into my kernel.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Rob


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Gnome Session timeout

[Emile Kimme]

After about 20 minutes of no activity (mouse or keyboard input) my gnome
session seems to 'time out', and kills the X session to have gdm loaded.

How can I disable this?
 Does this have to do with gdm?




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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[Kent West]

Nathan E Norman wrote:

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 05:46:57PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
 

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote:

   

Actually, I never saw the original but I did see the response.  That
made me angry, very angry indeed.
 

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/lkmarvin/images/angry.wav
   

Glad someone got it :-)

 

I thought that was just a coincidence. It's even funnier knowing you 
intended it.

Kent



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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:01:19PM -0500, Travis Crump wrote:
> >>>1. how to i tell spamassassin *not to* process some messages? for
> >>>instance, debain mailing list, i understand, is already processed for
> >>>spam. no use spamming it again
> >
> >
> >Maybe not necessary, but, unless your mailserver is horribly slow,
> >it'll be done so quick that it's not going to hurt anything anyhow.

well, i have read some documents and they are talking about a few
seconds of processing per message of an average size. in fact, spamd
came up to ease the burden on resources if i understand correctly.

one more point, if a small setting is going to save even a small
resource, why not? :)

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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:11:00AM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2003-02-21T13:29:45Z, Sandip P Deshmukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> Assuming that SpamAssassin is configured to read per-user settings from
> ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs, edit that file to add:

this is interesting. i have an /etc/default/spamassassin that reads like
this (relevant portions):

# Change to one to enable spamd
ENABLED=1

# Options
OPTIONS="-F 0 -m 3"

as you can see, i have enabled spamd. the other options are for some
from header (this i borrowed directly from dman site) and -m 3 restricts
child processes to 3. this prevents too much build up of system load.

i also read the documentation. it mentions that per-user settings is a
security risk if spamd is run. so, i will prefer not to allow per user
settings although i am the only user of the system.

what file to i edit if per user settings are not allowed?

thanx for your help. i am only one answer away from getting spamassassin
to work the way i want to.

one last question - this may be off topic. i am sure, there will be
several newbies like me who face the same problem on setting up
spamassassin. is there a website where i can post my experiences, hoping
they are useful for others?

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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:34:16PM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 06:59:45PM +0530, Sandip P Deshmukh wrote:
> > 1.  how to i tell spamassassin *not to* process some messages? for
> > instance, debain mailing list, i understand, is already processed for
> > spam. no use spamming it again
> 
> Rearrange your exim filter so that it delivers such messages directly to
> the appropriate mailbox before the part that calls spamassassin.

some confusion here. here is my exim filter (relevant portions):

# Exim filter

# move all spam
if
$h_X-Spam-Status: contains "Yes"
or
"${if def:h_X-Spam-Flag {def}{undef}}" is "def" 
then
save $home/nvnt/spm
finish
endif

# move all mailing list mail to mlst folder 

if  $h_to: contains "lists.debian.org" or
$h_cc: contains "lists.debian.org" or
then
save $home/nvnt/mlst
finish
endif

# move everything else to nvn
save $home/eptr/nvn
finish

if i understand correctly, my .forward file (exim filter) checks for
x-spam-status. this is updated by spamassassin. so is it that all mail
that is processed by exim filter is processed by spamassassin anyway? in
that case, even if i move my mailing list items out in the beginning of
the exim filter, it wont make a difference as the exim filter is
processing mails *after* they are processed by spamassassin.

> > 2.  how do i tell spamassassin *not to* convert all attachments into
> > inline material? retain the structure, just add the tag in subject line?
> 
> See Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf(3pm). Try unsetting defang_mime.
> 
> > 3.  how do i tell spamassassin, here, if the message is from a
> > certain sender, it is not spam - irrespctive of what you think and if a
> > message is from some other sender, it is spam - irrespctive of what you
> > think?
> 
> See Mail::SpamAssassin::Conf(3pm). Use whitelist_from.

one more question. i have read time and again the documentation that
comes with spamassassin. i am unable to decide location of configuration
files. the documentation says that per user settings are a security hole
for users can get root access if spamd is run. i do run spamd and dont
want to have any security holes although i am the only user of the
system. does that mean that i will have to defang mime and whitelist,
etc. in systemwide file? what file do i have to edit? i havent modeified
any spamassassin configuration file as yet.

one more thing, if i understand documentation correctly, inorder to stop
spamassassin from processing some mails (question 1), i may have to do
whitelist_to in the configuration file?

thanx for all the help. i think after i get this clear, my spamassassin
setup will be the way i want it :)

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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Sandip P Deshmukh]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:49:25PM +0100, Lukas Ruf wrote:
> * Sandip P Deshmukh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003-02-21 14:47]:
> > 
> > 1.  how to i tell spamassassin *not to* process some messages? for
> > instance, debain mailing list, i understand, is already processed for
> > spam. no use spamming it again
> > 
> whitelist

is this a separate program? will you please elaborate?

> > 2.  how do i tell spamassassin *not to* convert all attachments into
> > inline material? retain the structure, just add the tag in subject line?
> > 
> procmail

i do not use this. i use .forward exim filter instead. will it do? or
will i have to necessarily use procmail?

> > 3.  how do i tell spamassassin, here, if the message is from a
> > certain sender, it is not spam - irrespctive of what you think and if a
> > message is from some other sender, it is spam - irrespctive of what you
> > think?
> > 
> blacklist & procmail
> 
> 
> wbr,

what is that? a complete newbie here!

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Re: vim macro|bind

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:11:18AM +, Hugh Saunders wrote:
| On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 07:55:27PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
| > The command
| > dG
| > will do that.  "G" is a cursor movement command that moves the cursor
| > to the end of the buffer.
| ahh, i knew  you could use G to move, but not as a range for d,
| thanks.

Well, to be a bit more precise (or pedantic) it is a "motion", not a
"range".  Ranges precede the command, and are only used with ex
commands (beginning with ':').  Many command-mode commands can be
suffixed by a motion command which causes the command to operate on
the text traversed by .  In this example, the 'd' command
deletes text.  However after pressing 'd', vi(m) needs to know how
much text to delete.  'dd' deletes the current line; 'dj' deletes this
line and the line below it.  'dl' deletes the current chacter (same as
'x').  And thus 'dG' deletes from here to the end of the file.
command-mode commands can also be prepended by a 'count'.  For
example, '5dj' will execute 'dj' 5 times (IOW delete 5 lines).  Since
motions can be preceded by a count, 'd5j' would also do the same
thing.

| > Look at the "map" commands.  For example, on a laptop I often hit F1
| > when I mean to hit ESC.  I solved that with the following in my .vimrc :
| > 
| > " don't show help when F1 is pressed -- I press it too much by accident
| > map  
| > inoremap  
| 
| thanks, will play with that. I often hit f1 by mistake as well [is your
| laptop a thinkpad? mine is and has the esc where my fingers woulndt
| expect it]

I did that for the laptop I was using since the F1 is so close to the
ESC that I would often hit it instead or in addition to ESC.  Since I
didn't want the help popping up then (I use ":help" when I want it) I
remapped the key :-).

| but im so cluless with vim it quite good to see the help
| every now and then:-)

Some of it is a bit complicated, but it is organized and fairly
consistent.  Once you figure out the "big picture", reading the help
files for the details is easier.  For example, the above description
of how to combine counts, commands, and motions should help you put
other commands and motions together in the future.

HTH,
-D

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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:55:49AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge.  Are the Debian folks Toy Story fans
> or is it just coincidence?

I see you've heard of Google and know how to do some basic research.
http://www.debian.org/doc/FAQ/ch-ftparchives.html#s-sourceforcodenames

There's also a link on http://debian.org/releases that says "where all
these codenames came from."

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USB wireless modem

[DvB]

I think they're called modems... it's a 2Wire USB 128RC4. Will one of
these work under Linux with just a regular USB driver or is a special
driver necessary? If so, is there one for Linux?

TIA


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Re: dpkg error -subprocess paste killed by signal

[John Schmidt]

On Friday 21 February 2003 9:16 pm, Carla Schroder wrote:
> howdy,
>
> I'm running Libranet 2.7,  which is woody 3.0 & lots of nice extras.
> My troubles started with upgrading KDE 3.05 to 3.1. I didn't want to,
> I wanted Quanta, and it needed KDE 3.1. So I says well, OK.
>
> I started with
>
> apt-get upgrade kdelibs4
>
> which went fine. Then:
>
> apt-get upgrade kdelibs-bin
>
> That's when the trouble started. libarts1 and libartsc0 won't
> install. I tried apt-get -f install, it failed too. As did
> dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb
>
> So I says to myself, I says self, uninstall everything and start
> over. Well, if I try apt-get remove  this same darned unmet
> dependency pops up:
>
> Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
>   arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.1.0-0woody4) but it is not going to
> be installed
> Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.1.0-0woody4) but 1.0.5a-0woody1 is to
> be installed
>
> I won't bore you with ranting about how installing a single KDE app
> leads to this huge ugly winderz-type interdepency mess. I didn't want
> to upgrade, I just wanted Quanta. My source is
> deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1/Debian stable main
>
> So- any bright ideas?
>
> Thanks!
> Carla
>
>
> # apt-get -f install
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Correcting dependencies... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
>   libarts1 libartsc0
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
>   libartsc0
> 1 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 172  not
> upgraded. 8 packages not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 889kB of archives. After unpacking 946kB will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
> Get:1 http://download.kde.org stable/main libarts1 1.1.0-0woody4
> [846kB] Get:2 http://download.kde.org stable/main libartsc0
> 1.1.0-0woody4 [43.2kB] Fetched 889kB in 21s (40.6kB/s)
> (Reading database ... 147934 files and directories currently
> installed.) Preparing to replace libarts1 1.0.5a-0woody1 (using
> .../libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb) ...
> Unpacking replacement libarts1 ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/artscat', which is also in package
> libarts1-bin dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken
> pipe)
> Unpacking libartsc0 (from .../libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb) ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /var/cache/apt/archives/libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb (--unpack):
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/artsdsp', which is also in package
> libarts1-bin dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken
> pipe)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb
>  /var/cache/apt/archives/libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
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Yes, you should use dpkg --purge --force package_to_remove.  You can't 
reliably do an update for kde from the official kde packages to the 
unofficial kde packages found on at kde.org.  The packager Ralph Nolden 
recommends that you remove stuff before installing the new stuff.  
Familiarize yourself with dpkg, especially the force, since it will 
remove stuff even if there are dependencies.  You may have to do it 
package by package in the worst case, but hopefully, you can remove the 
few offending ones, and the use apt-get --purge remove (the other 
packages) which should help automate things.

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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[Paul Johnson]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:15:51PM -0200, Barry Rab wrote:
> Cannot something be done to stop them using the list?

Well, a start would be to not repost the spam to the list yourself, spammer.

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Re: /var/log/messages

[Dana J. Laude]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:03:57PM +0900 or thereabouts, Nick Hastings wrote:
> * Dana J. Laude <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [030221 14:47]:
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 09:39:11PM -0500 or thereabouts, Richard Beri wrote:
> > > My /var/log/messages and messages.0 are getting very large. messages
> > > alone is almost 500 meg.  Is is safe to delete these files (I don't]
> > > need to read any back error messages).  My syslog is also reaching 500
> > >  meg ais that safe to be deleted. Will they be auto-created again
> > 
> > If you just want to "reset" the files without a backup, as root
> > type in: "touch /var/log/messages". (minus the quotes and the .)
> 
> Won't that just change the access and modification time of the file?
> That happens every 20 minutes anyway (-- MARK --). What else does
> that achieve?

You're absolutly correct.  I normally "rm filename" and then do the
above to create a new 0 byte file. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: *grins*

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 04:35:16PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> David Pastern wrote:
> 
> > Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? 
> > 
> > BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker
> > operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos
> > Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. [...]
> 
> That was a lovely bit of satire, wasn't it. It was originally published
> on the currently-defunct site Adequacy.org a year or so back. The
> article was entitled something like "Is Your Son a Hacker?" and was a
> parody of all the old "Is Your Child a Drug User?" scare-pamphlets of
> years past, in which various common symptoms of adolescence were
> described as "danger signs".

IMO the funniest part of that was the wild replies from people who
didn't get it.

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dpkg error -subprocess paste killed by signal

[Carla Schroder]

howdy,

I'm running Libranet 2.7,  which is woody 3.0 & lots of nice extras. My 
troubles started with upgrading KDE 3.05 to 3.1. I didn't want to, I wanted 
Quanta, and it needed KDE 3.1. So I says well, OK.

I started with

apt-get upgrade kdelibs4

which went fine. Then:

apt-get upgrade kdelibs-bin

That's when the trouble started. libarts1 and libartsc0 won't install. I tried 
apt-get -f install, it failed too. As did 
dpkg -i /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb

So I says to myself, I says self, uninstall everything and start over. Well, 
if I try apt-get remove  this same darned unmet dependency pops up:

Sorry, but the following packages have unmet dependencies:
  arts: Depends: libartsc0 (>= 1.1.0-0woody4) but it is not going to be 
installed
Depends: libarts1 (>= 1.1.0-0woody4) but 1.0.5a-0woody1 is to be 
installed

I won't bore you with ranting about how installing a single KDE app leads to 
this huge ugly winderz-type interdepency mess. I didn't want to upgrade, I 
just wanted Quanta. My source is
deb http://download.kde.org/stable/3.1/Debian stable main

So- any bright ideas?

Thanks!
Carla


# apt-get -f install
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following extra packages will be installed:
  libarts1 libartsc0
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libartsc0
1 packages upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 172  not upgraded.
8 packages not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 889kB of archives. After unpacking 946kB will be used.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] y
Get:1 http://download.kde.org stable/main libarts1 1.1.0-0woody4 [846kB]
Get:2 http://download.kde.org stable/main libartsc0 1.1.0-0woody4 [43.2kB]
Fetched 889kB in 21s (40.6kB/s)
(Reading database ... 147934 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace libarts1 1.0.5a-0woody1 (using 
.../libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement libarts1 ...
dpkg: error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb 
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/artscat', which is also in package libarts1-bin
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Unpacking libartsc0 (from .../libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb) ...
dpkg: error processing 
/var/cache/apt/archives/libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb (--unpack):
 trying to overwrite `/usr/bin/artsdsp', which is also in package libarts1-bin
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Errors were encountered while processing:
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libarts1_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb
 /var/cache/apt/archives/libartsc0_1.1.0-0woody4_i386.deb
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Re: Changing process priority

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:49:14PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> > Er, I think you'd want to use "nice --20" or "nice -n -20" or even
  ^^^
> > "nice --adjustment=-20"; "nice -20" implies a nice level ov positive
> > twenty whic is invalid; the highest numer (and lowest priority)
> > accepted is 19.
> 
> Ought to be "nice -n -20" actually; "nice --20" is a deprecated form.

You mean like that?? :-)

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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 05:46:57PM -0500, Mike Dresser wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> > Actually, I never saw the original but I did see the response.  That
> > made me angry, very angry indeed.
> 
> http://www.angelfire.com/pa/lkmarvin/images/angry.wav

Glad someone got it :-)

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Re: trimming ~/.maillog

[nate]

Andy Saxena said:
> Hello,
>
> I use ~/.maillog to log the actions of procmail verbosely. However the
> file keeps growing by the day. Is there any way to trim the file size and
> keep it under 100 Mb?

check out logrotate. it's very flexible. It's installed by default

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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Geordie Birch]

said Shaun ONeil (on 2003-02-21),

> I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that's already been delt
> with. Reading some _very_ old pages[1] recently, I came across the
> addresses debian-user and debian-devel, @pixar.com - so I presume debian
> and pixar had some communication early in the project.

Bruce Perens, the second DPL, worked (works?) for Pixar.

Geordie.


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Re: Changing process priority

[Michael Heironimus]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:49:14PM -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:
> Nathan E Norman wrote:
> 
> > Er, I think you'd want to use "nice --20" or "nice -n -20" or even
> > "nice --adjustment=-20"; "nice -20" implies a nice level ov positive
> > twenty whic is invalid; the highest numer (and lowest priority)
> > accepted is 19.
> 
> Ought to be "nice -n -20" actually; "nice --20" is a deprecated form.

Oops. That's why I always refer people to the man pages. -n is probably
the best thing to remember, since "--20" looks strange and
"--adjustment" is a strictly GNUish thing.

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Re: phoenix java plugin - installed, but not installed

[Geordie Birch]

said Sandip P Deshmukh (on 2003-02-21),

> some confusion here. i already have a link that you are talking about.
> here are contents of my /home/sandip/phoenix/plugin directory:
>
> total 24
> drwxr-xr-x6 sandip   sandip   4096 Feb 19 18:46 java2
> lrwxrwxrwx1 sandip   sandip 73 Feb 19 17:51 libjavaplugin_oji.so -> 
> /home/sandip/phoenix/plugins/java2/plugin/i386/ns600/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> -rwxr-xr-x1 sandip   sandip  19728 Dec  8 05:20 libnullplugin.so
>
> here are contents of /home/sandip/phoenix/plugin/java2/plugin/i386/ns600
> directory:
>
> total 268
> -rwxr-xr-x1 sandip   sandip 269600 Mar 15  2002 libjavaplugin_oji.so
>
> so, what is wrong here? doesnt java like to be placed in a differnt
> directory? this sounds very window-like

directory shouldn't matter at all.

maybe your version of java is too old... ? 

(if you do install a new jre have a good look at the filename in
question when making the new link.)


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trimming ~/.maillog

[Andy Saxena]

Hello,

I use ~/.maillog to log the actions of procmail verbosely. However the
file keeps growing by the day. Is there any way to trim the file size
and keep it under 100 Mb?

Thanks,
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Re: (Newbie) Functioning In Debian

[sean finney]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:32:34PM -0500, M. Kirchhoff wrote:
> Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media.  Am I totally out
> of luck there?  I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM,
> but it's definitely non-free.  I haven't run into needing RealPlayer
> support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works
> under debian-mozilla.  

no!  i highly reccommend mplayer.  it's a good, free movie player and
it can play a good number of non free formats such as MS asf.  the folks
who made it are even kind enough to ship it with a ./debian directory,
which means that you can:

$ fakeroot ./debian/rules binary

and then you'll have a mplayer .deb that you can install with dpkg.  give
it a shot. (note you might need a couple other packages to do this, namely
fakeroot).


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Re: Tripwire

[Jeff Elkins]

Thanks for the suggestions!

Jeff Elkins
http://www.elkins.org



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Re: Unable to apt-get dist-upgrade

[Richard Hector]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:39:41PM -0500, John covici wrote:
> I am wondering if your problem is that the space (not disk space) for
> your cash has been exceeded.

I wish I had that problem :-)

Richard


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(Newbie) Functioning In Debian

[M. Kirchhoff]

Hello,
I am a newbie to both Linux and Debian, so let me immediately apologize
for my ignorance in my statements! I've tried many distributions,
including Red Hat, Mandrake, Lycoris, Lindows, Elx, SuSe, and Vector,
and so far I've found Debian to be most to my liking in terms of its
excellent philosophy and the unbeatable apt-get system.  Trust me, it
was a steep learning curve for me, but once I got the hang of it I
really liked the control and stability.  But I have some concerns.

It seems to me, for my purposes, that to function on the internet and
interact with the most prominent file types, it's necessary to use non-
free or unstable packages.  For example, I recently had to apt-get the
non free Java (j2re1.3) from blackdown.org because certain websites I
frequent wouldn't function without it.  From perusing various groups,
I've found that there are potential alternatives such as Kaffe for
Virtual Machines, but there wasn't enough solid documentation for a
newbie like me to be able to get it working under Mozilla (I had a hard
enough time figuring out how to symbolically link the Java stuff to
Mozilla to get it working--mind you I had no idea what a symbolic link
was until doing this).  

Another site I frequent uses streaming Windows Media.  Am I totally out
of luck there?  I know there's this Crossover package that will run WM,
but it's definitely non-free.  I haven't run into needing RealPlayer
support yet, but I wonder if there's a free clone of that that works
under debian-mozilla.  

Please understand that I'm trying to wean myself away from Microsoft
products after years of frustration at their software despotism and my
lack of control over their annoying software, but I'm having a hard time
adapting to the Debian way of life.  

If I start plugging in all these non-free, non-stable packages into a
stable Debian build, then is it really a stable system anymore? Yet it
seems like I need to add a lot of these additional packages just to
function.  I'm confused!  Believe me, I'm really, really drawn to Debian
and can tell already after just a few weeks of use that I'm a user for
life, but I wonder if there's some way to achieve a stable balance.  I
can live just fine with Gnome 1.4 and Mozilla 1.0, but the other stuff I
mentioned earlier is harder to do without. And with all the backports
for newer versions like Gnome 2.2 and such, I wonder: is there anyone
out there who truly runs a stable-Debian only system? 

Well, consider this my introduction to the world of GNU/Linux and,
especially, Debian.  Feels good to be here!

Appreciatively and Sincerely,
M. Kirchhoff





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Re: Driver for Xserver

[Russell Shaw]

Samuele Pretini wrote:
Hi,
I try to install Debian 30r1 on my notebook, but the Xserver does't 
start. I suppose that this problem is generated of my chipset adn my 
graphics card ( Ati Radeon IGP 320M). My notebook is a Fujitsu-Siemens 
Amilo A 7600.
There is a solution for my problem?


Start with a config file from
XFree86 -configure
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Re: Loging to Debian Linux via SSH

[Richard Hector]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 10:22:39AM -0500, Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >
> >How old?  SSH negotiation is *very* computationally intensive.  Maybe
> >you should just leave the ssh connection open, or use something like
> >fsh?
> 
> AHA! I have always wondered why my Pentium Pro 200 seemed to take so long 
> to open an SSH connection. DUH!

PPro 200 takes a long time?? OK, that explain the slowness of
my DX2/66 :-)

Richard


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Unable to apt-get dist-upgrade

[John covici]

I am wondering if your problem is that the space (not disk space) for
your cash has been exceeded.  Try putting the following line in your
/etc/apt/apt.conf
APT::Cache-Limit 12582912;
and see if that helps.

on  02/21/2003 Trey Sizemore([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote
 > My KDE appears to be at least partially fried...it was never fully
 > installed but I didn't have any showstopper issues.  Today, when I
 > logged in however, the taskbar is not functioning (anything appearing on
 > the taskbar is not selectable).  Anyhoo, I was going to do an apt-get -u
 > -f dist-upgrade anyway, but when I try, I get a message saying that I
 > don't have enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives.  I have apt-get
 > cleaned and this is what I have:
 > 
 > FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 > /dev/hde5 495M  238M  258M  48% /
 > /dev/hde8 6.3G  1.1G  5.2G  17% /home
 > /dev/hde7 3.0G  2.3G  687M  78% /usr
 > /dev/hde1  16G   14G  2.6G  84% /windows
 > 
 > How can I increase the size of the directory in order to proceed with
 > the upgrade?
 > 
 > Thanks.
 > 
 > Trey
 > 
 > 
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RE: debian

[Noll, Ralph]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 05:30:23PM -0600, Noll, Ralph wrote:

> http://http.us.debian.org/debian/stable/main/contrib/non-free
>
> no directory like the above
>
> debian/stable/main/contrib/non-free

You are copying the line incorrectly; try cut-and-pasting it instead.
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Re: Unable to apt-get dist-upgrade

[Geordie Birch]

said Trey Sizemore (on 2003-02-21),

> My KDE appears to be at least partially fried...it was never fully
> installed but I didn't have any showstopper issues.  Today, when I
> logged in however, the taskbar is not functioning (anything appearing on
> the taskbar is not selectable).  Anyhoo, I was going to do an apt-get -u
> -f dist-upgrade anyway, but when I try, I get a message saying that I
> don't have enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives.  I have apt-get
> cleaned and this is what I have:
>
> FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
> /dev/hde5 495M  238M  258M  48% /
> /dev/hde8 6.3G  1.1G  5.2G  17% /home
> /dev/hde7 3.0G  2.3G  687M  78% /usr
> /dev/hde1  16G   14G  2.6G  84% /windows
>
> How can I increase the size of the directory in order to proceed with
> the upgrade?

I assume that apt wants to download more than 258MB.  You can make a
temporary link to a directory in a partition with more free space, like
/dev/hde8.

mv /var/cache/apt/archives /var/cache/apt/archives.backedupjustincase
mkdir ~/archives
ln -s ~/archives /var/cache/apt/archives


HTH,

Geordie.


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Re: /var/log/messages

[Michael D. Schleif]

Also sprach Richard Beri (Fri 21 Feb 02003 at 07:52:59PM -0500):
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:47:34 -0600
> "Michael D. Schleif" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > If I had a logfile that large, I would assume that there is something
> > wrong with my system.  Only after careful scrutiny of that logfile, and
> > correction of all conditions generating verbose messages, then I would
> > consider deleting said logfiles.
> > 
> > What do you think?
> 
> I have a cable modem that spews errors in a virtual terminal, I silenced them, but I 
> assume that they go into /var/log/messages.  My system has been on for almost 2 
> years non-stop.  I also have logrotate installed, so I don't know why they are 
> getting so large.  The files are that large now that I can't read them (with vi 
> anyway).

Look here:

man logrotate

I do not know what version you are using; nor do I see how my default
logrotate process handles signaling syslogd; but, you may consider
putting something like this near the bottom of your /etc/logrotate.conf:

/var/log/messages {
rotate 5
size=10M
postrotate
/sbin/killall -HUP syslogd
}

What do you think?

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Re: DHCP/DNS assistance

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 01:34:32PM -0800, Russell Zauner wrote:
> Colin Watson wrote:
> |On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:40:05AM -0300, Francisco M Neto
> |wrote:
> |>No!! Don't do that. If you do an apt-get upgrade later
> |> it will most likely replace the /etc/init.d script.
> 
> |It had certainly better not! If you see something doing that, ensure
> |that a serious bug is filed.
> 
> I wonder how the boot scripts resolve across whole upgrades,
> then?

You'll get conflict resolution prompts from dpkg for each one.

Cheers,

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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Hall Stevenson]

* Barry Rab ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 17:37]:
> Hall Stevenson wrote:
> 
> >Glad to see/read that I'm not the only "adult" that really enjoys 
> >watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are 
> >good too. :-)
> >
> >Hall
> 
> Even close to retiring one must find some form of relaxation, and
> Shrek provided some. Then of course one could always find something
> from Chicken Run for future releases :-)) Barry.

I knew there was at least one more animated movie or cartoon that people
seem to believe is "for kids" but isn't. It was Shrek I was thinking
of...

Hall


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Re: audio recording is (still) fast

[Vineet Kumar]

* Kenneth Dombrowski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 12:00]:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I started this thread in Dec. & kind of gave up on it for awhile, but
> it's still happening intermittently & I've come up with some more clues,
> so I figured I'll try again.. I'm manually adding some of the headers to
> preserve the thread as kind of an experiment.. hope it works!

Actually, what needs to be done is to add those message IDs into a
References header.  I'm doing that here, and including your message, so
that (hopefully) it will get re-threaded for the archives.

In the first attempt I'd used commas between the message-IDs.  They
should just be space-separated, in a single Refernces: header.
Hopefully this one will work better.

> 
> When I record from my laptop's mic (I've been using both gramofile & 
> audacity), occasionally the resulting file plays back really fast. 
> 'file' reports a normal 44100 Hz .wav file:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mp3/tmp$ file new.wav
> new.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
> stereo 44100 Hz
> 
> using 'play' from the sox package, I can play the file back @ 21033 Hz 
> and it sounds closer, but still a little fast. Other wavs are playing
> back normally, so it seems to be happening during the recording process.
> (indeed, when recording with audacity I can see the little time indicator 
> go shooting off into the future while the sound-form display appears to 
> act normally)
> 
> I've noticed this happens after using my Hauppaugue usb wintv card,
> which uses a module called usbvision that I patched into the kernel.
> Obviously, it's a bug with that module & I will report the problem to
> the authors, so it's not really a debian problem, but I still thought
> this would be a good place to ask how to get the system back to normal
> in the meantime... maybe the problem is obvious to somebody who actually
> understands how sound works. Rebooting doesn't fix the problem when it
> happens, in the past I've just always left it alone for a couple of days
> and eventually it works again
> 
> I usually manually 'modprobe usbvision' if I want to use the tv card,
> unfortunately I can't get the system back to normal right now to test if
> that alone is enough to screw it up, or if I have to actually use it..
> if it makes a difference.. 
> 
> The laptop in question uses the i810_audio module, I tried 
> 'modprobe -r'ing it, but it claims to be in use. I am using the OSS sound 
> drivers, not alsa. it's sid with a customized debian 2.4.19 kernel
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated,
> Kenneth

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configuring pam for ssh

[Greg Norris]

I occasionally have a need to connect to my home machine from untrusted
systems, so I'm trying to configure ssh to use one-time passwords via
libpam-opie.  I started by commenting out the auth entry for
pam_unix.so in /etc/pam.d/ssh, and adding one for pam_opie.so in it's
place.  So far so good... the keyboard-interactive method seems to work
with opie, and it doesn't fall back normal password authentication.

During the course of testing, I noticed that the change had broken
ssh's built-in password authentication ("PasswordAuthentication yes" in
sshd_config).  Can anyone explain why this occurs?  My understanding
(obviously flawed ;-) was that ssh only uses the pam auth modules for
keyboard-interactive.  I've gone through the documentation and done a
bit of googling, but the answer remains elusive...

This isn't a huge problem, as I'm most likely going to disable password
authentication anyway.  But I'd really like to understand what's
occurring.

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Unable to apt-get dist-upgrade

[Trey Sizemore]

My KDE appears to be at least partially fried...it was never fully
installed but I didn't have any showstopper issues.  Today, when I
logged in however, the taskbar is not functioning (anything appearing on
the taskbar is not selectable).  Anyhoo, I was going to do an apt-get -u
-f dist-upgrade anyway, but when I try, I get a message saying that I
don't have enough space in /var/cache/apt/archives.  I have apt-get
cleaned and this is what I have:

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hde5 495M  238M  258M  48% /
/dev/hde8 6.3G  1.1G  5.2G  17% /home
/dev/hde7 3.0G  2.3G  687M  78% /usr
/dev/hde1  16G   14G  2.6G  84% /windows

How can I increase the size of the directory in order to proceed with
the upgrade?

Thanks.

Trey


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Re: *grins*

[Craig Dickson]

David Pastern wrote:

> Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? 
> 
> BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker
> operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos
> Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. [...]

That was a lovely bit of satire, wasn't it. It was originally published
on the currently-defunct site Adequacy.org a year or so back. The
article was entitled something like "Is Your Son a Hacker?" and was a
parody of all the old "Is Your Child a Drug User?" scare-pamphlets of
years past, in which various common symptoms of adolescence were
described as "danger signs".

Craig


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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Shaun ONeil]

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:47, Mark L. Kahnt wrote:
> That said, although the releases are not so frequent that this will be
> an immediate concern, eventually Debian will run out of characters from
> the movie(s). I'm not personally sure that I feel too good about dealing
> with characters copyrighted (and probably trademarked) by a company that
> very ardently pursues (and litigates) intellectual property matters.
> Micro-rant there...

I could be completely wrong, but I suspect that's already been delt
with. Reading some _very_ old pages[1] recently, I came across the
addresses debian-user and debian-devel, @pixar.com - so I presume debian
and pixar had some communication early in the project.

Shaun

[1]
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/historic-linux/distributions/debian/0.91/info/Mailing_Lists




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Re: Exim's rewriting of headers

[Shyamal Prasad]

"Johann" == Johann Spies <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Johann> I am user js on my computer and user jspies with email
Johann> address [EMAIL PROTECTED] on our network.

Johann> I have the following in my /etc/exim/exim.conf

Johann> [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Ffrs

dman already pointed out what I think is the fault, so I'm probably
not helping here. 

Byt I am very curious about why you chose not to use the
/etc/email-addresses file with the default rule that Debian provides?
That would not have resulted in the hostname resolution problem above
(right?).

Cheers!
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*grins*

[David Pastern]

Is your son obsessed with "Lunix"? 

BSD, Lunix, Debian and Mandrake are all versions of an illegal hacker
operation system, invented by a Soviet computer hacker named Linyos
Torovoltos, before the Russians lost the Cold War. It is based on a program
called "xenix", which was written by Microsoft for the US government. These
programs are used by hackers to break into other people's computer systems
to steal credit card numbers. They may also be used to break into people's
stereos to steal their music, using the "mp3" program. Torovoltos is a
notorious hacker, responsible for writing many hacker programs, such as
"telnet", which is used by hackers to connect to machines on the internet
without using a telephone. 

Your son may try to install "lunix" on your hard drive. If he is careful,
you may not notice its presence, however, lunix is a capricious beast, and
if handled incorrectly, your son may damage your computer, and even break it
completely by deleting Windows, at which point you will have to have your
computer repaired by a professional. 

If you see the word "LILO" during your windows startup (just after you turn
the machine on), your son has installed lunix. In order to get rid of it,
you will have to send your computer back to the manufacturer, and have them
fit a new hard drive. Lunix is extremely dangerous software, and cannot be
removed without destroying part of your hard disk surface. 


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Re: Package Depedency Problems/Conficts

[Travis Crump]

Nathan E Norman wrote:
On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:53:42AM +, Colin Watson wrote:

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:19:34PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:

On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:54:09AM +, Colin Watson wrote:

Actually, unstable updates at 19:52 UTC (or 20:52 UTC if auric is on
daylight savings time).
UTC does not observe DST, hence Pacific Time being -0700 or -0800
depending what time of year it is.
Indeed; however, cron jobs operate according to local time.


I wonder if that's really a feature; it seems like it'd be useful to
be able to specify that the time in a crontab refers to UTC (or "Zulu"
time as I think of it) rather than local time.  For one thing, this
could make it easier to remote deploy machines across diverse
geographical areas; all times in config files would mean the same
thing.
Oh well.
 
Nothing is stopping you from setting local time to UTC...

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FIXED: Re: bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[Roberto Sanchez]

> If what you really mean is that .bashrc is not read when you login on a
> text console, then that's covered by bash's man page, which you really
> ought to read. .bash_profile or .profile is read by login shells;
> .bashrc is read only by non-login shells. If you want .bashrc to be read
> by all shells, then you need to put ". ~./bashrc" in your .bash_profile
> or .profile to make it happen.
I have this in my .bash_profile.  I think it was there, but commented out, 
by
default.

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi
Thanks for the plethora of suggestions.  I guess this proves that "speed 
reading" the man page is not quite the same as "reading" it.  Again, thanks 
for the info, I will try to refrain from asking such dumb questions in the 
future :-)

-Roberto Sanchez

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help with linux

[anna stewart]

can you sent me a binhex or MacBinary copy of mac-fdisk? sorry but i tryed
to download it over the net and it came as a text file.


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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Levi Waldron]

On February 21, 2003 05:26 pm, Levi Waldron wrote:
> that using spamd would be so much faster.  I could switch to fetchmail for
> the sake of spamd, although reading through the documentation I see that
> the spamc daemon could also improve my performance without changing my mail
> setup at all.  I'll give that a try first, and report back...

Minor correction: spamc is a command-line client for spamd.  Calling spamc 
does in fact work much, much faster than calling spamassassin (a small 
fraction of a second instead of 5-10s).


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Re: chmod set user ID query ?

[Dave Selby]

On Friday 21 February 2003 7:33 am, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 18, 2003 at 08:59:55AM +, Dave Selby wrote:
> > I have a query about chmod. pon is turned on by root, I want it to be
> > turned off by any user. I have looked at several options, sudo,
> > downgrading permissions for kill, gulp, etc etc but decided that for my
> > setup using chmod and setting the user ID for poff would be the best.
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ su
> > Password:
> > debian:/home/test# chmod 4755 /usr/bin/poff
> > debian:/home/test# ls -al /usr/bin/poff
> > -rwsr-xr-x1 root root 2772 Dec 10  2001 /usr/bin/poff
> > debian:/home/test#
> > debian:/home/test# pon
> > debian:/home/test#
> > debian:/home/test# exit
> > exit
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ poff
> > /usr/bin/poff: /bin/kill failed.  None stopped.
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ which poff
> > /usr/bin/poff
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$
> >
> > mmm, my ls-al seems to tell me suid has been set, as I understand it the
> > process generated by calling poff from user test should now be run as
> > root. As root it should kill the link started by pon.
> >
> > It fails when poff executes /bin/kill. Any idea why ?
>
> poff is a shell script.  setuid scripts are massive security holes, so
> the kernel refuses to honour the set{g,u}id bit on them.
>
> > Does SUID only apply to the called process and not any secondary
> > processes ?
>
> The elevated permissions would be passed along, except that, as I said
> above, the kernel isn't letting the script even start with setuid.  My
> suggestion would be to use sudo for this, since it lets you have very
> tightly controlled permissions.

Ah ha that makes sense. I guess a bit of information is a dangerous thing ... 
seemed simple !

Many thanks for the info, I realy appreciate it
dave


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Re: bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[Levi Waldron]

> If what you really mean is that .bashrc is not read when you login on a
> text console, then that's covered by bash's man page, which you really
> ought to read. .bash_profile or .profile is read by login shells;
> .bashrc is read only by non-login shells. If you want .bashrc to be read
> by all shells, then you need to put ". ~./bashrc" in your .bash_profile
> or .profile to make it happen.

I have this in my .bash_profile.  I think it was there, but commented out, by 
default.

# Get the aliases and functions
if [ -f ~/.bashrc ]; then
. ~/.bashrc
fi


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Re: Drivers for Serverworks chipset

[Osamu Aoki]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:25:58PM -0500, Neal Lippman wrote:
> 
> I have on order a Dell server, which is based on the ServerWorks Grand
> Champion SL chipset.
> 
> I was wondering if anyone knows what drivers should be used with this
> chipset, particularly the on-board 10/100/1000 ethernet? I expect there
> is Linux support, because Dell offers RedHat installed (I didn't order
> that, figuring I would just load up Woody once the machien arrives).

I do not know the answer but did you check the output of "lspci" command
or "less /proc/pci".  Then you can identify drivers needed.

The only occurance of ServerWorks is in /drivers/net/natsemi.c in
Kernnel source.  Good luck.

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Re: audio recording is (still) fast

[Kenneth Dombrowski]

On 03-02-21 13:50 -0800, Vineet Kumar wrote:
> * Kenneth Dombrowski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 12:00]:
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > 
> Actually, what needs to be done is to add those message IDs into a
> References header.  I'm doing that here, and including your message, so
> that (hopefully) it will get re-threaded for the archives.
> 

yes, that's what I did. and it worked for the first one.. I guess, as
with "Received:", you have to add several headers for several
"References:".. I didn't feel like looking up the rfc & just tried it
with one line reading "References:   "

thanks for re-doing it, though


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Re: Changing process priority

[Craig Dickson]

Nathan E Norman wrote:

> Er, I think you'd want to use "nice --20" or "nice -n -20" or even
> "nice --adjustment=-20"; "nice -20" implies a nice level ov positive
> twenty whic is invalid; the highest numer (and lowest priority)
> accepted is 19.

Ought to be "nice -n -20" actually; "nice --20" is a deprecated form.

Craig


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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[Mike Dresser]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Nathan E Norman wrote:

> Actually, I never saw the original but I did see the response.  That
> made me angry, very angry indeed.

http://www.angelfire.com/pa/lkmarvin/images/angry.wav

Mike


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Re: bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[Craig Dickson]

Roberto Sanchez wrote:

> Why is it that when I switch to a text console with -- that 
> bash does not read in my ~/.bashrc?
> 
> When I pull up a terminal in X it works fine (all my command aliases are 
> there).  And when I log in to a text console, if explicitly type in the 
> command 'bash' at the bash prompt, the new shell reads it in.  But the top 
> level shell from text login does not read it.
> 
> Any ideas?

Depends exactly what you mean.

Switching to a text console, by itself, does not cause bash to start
running, so there's no reason it should read .bashrc then.

If what you really mean is that .bashrc is not read when you login on a
text console, then that's covered by bash's man page, which you really
ought to read. .bash_profile or .profile is read by login shells;
.bashrc is read only by non-login shells. If you want .bashrc to be read
by all shells, then you need to put ". ~./bashrc" in your .bash_profile
or .profile to make it happen.

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Re: bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[nate]

Roberto Sanchez said:
> Why is it that when I switch to a text console with -- that
> bash does not read in my ~/.bashrc?
>

I think .bashrc is for non-login shells? logging into a console
or logging in via ssh/telnet/etc is a login shell. you probably
want ~/.profile ? see the bash manpage

nate




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RE: [OT]Yahoo mail

[David Pastern]

previously said...

>I don't consider it a flaw at all. Yahoo was one of the best free
>pop mail providers, and I have probably tried every provider
>listed in emailaddresses.com (IIRC). Yahoo has since done away
>with the free pop, so I have reduced my account to sucking email
>alerts (like the Debian Security adivsory or the Marssociety
>newsletter) via the fetchyahoo script.
>
>Yahoo's fine as a fallback account or as an address I'd hand out
>to people I don't know too well. If they turned out to be
>relentless spammers, I could always sign up for a new
>account: no questions asked. Try that with your ISP.

Not a flaw?  I certainly consider it a flaw.  People knock Microsoft
products for their security flaws, but hotmail is a lot more secure than
yahoo.  My p/w was changed on a regularly basis, was a secure p/w (using
another, very rare language - no internet dictionaries available for this
language that I know of).  I couldn't change my secret question - there is
no where on the yahoo email page for you to change it - how *ucked is that?
I can change it on hotmail...

Of course hotmail is *ucked for spam...yahoo is much much much better.
Yahoo has a larger storage size, with associated webpage capability and also
photo storage (hey i'm a photographer...)

As a temporary mail storage yahoo is good, if you do NOT have irreplaceable
information stored there.  I should have (and could have) forwarded on each
and every email to my private mail account (I actually live with my ISP so
there :P) and then do an archive email to store them offline onto CD...I
wish I had now to some extent but I can't change the past. Anyways...those
considering using yahoo mail be careful - it is NOT secure.

Dave W Pastern


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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Levi Waldron]

On February 21, 2003 01:13 pm, Dave Sherohman wrote:
> I bet you're not running spamd, which means you're taking the hit for
> starting up perl on every message scanned.  That would hurt pretty
> bad, now that I think about it...

You're correct.  I'm using kmail to fetch from POP3 mailservers and pipe each 
message individually through "spamassassin -P -a".  I didn't realize that 
using spamd would be so much faster.  I could switch to fetchmail for the 
sake of spamd, although reading through the documentation I see that the 
spamc daemon could also improve my performance without changing my mail setup 
at all.  I'll give that a try first, and report back...


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Re: CUPS Stable & Testing

[Donald Spoon]

sdownes wrote:
- SNIP- <

I've got the deb  stable packages installed with default settings at 
present but had the same problem with the testing version & played about 
with a lot of settings in that before purging it & starting again.  I do 
have cupsys cupsys-client & cupsys-bsd installed but not the gimp package.


Those packages "should" pull in most of the other packages that you need.

I would suggest you also install a set of printer-drivers like 
cupsys-driver-gimpprint.  I use that one here and the quality is quite 
good on my HP 960C Inkjet printer.  Alternatively you can try the 
cupsomatic-ppd package or the foomatic-bin + foomatic-db package combo. 
 The latter "alternative" is preferable.  I notice that these packages 
are listed as "suggested" at the Debian "Packages" site.  I dunno what 
that means, as I couldn't get anything going here without them  I 
guess you could assemble you own or use the ones provided by 
GhostScript... dunno.

If you use KDE, then I would also install the kdelibs3-cups package. 
The KDE setup wizard is quite nice.  You can get to it via the KDE 
"Control Center" --> "System" --> "Printing Manager" menu.  Make sure 
you select "CUPS (Common Unix Print System)" as the print system 
currently used at the bottom of the screen.  Click on the magic wand 
icon and fill in the questions in the wizzard screens.  I have found 
this the simplist way to get my printer going here.

If you don't use KDE, then you will probably have to configure CUPS via 
the "http://localhost:631"; web-browser method.  I have not used that 
method much here, so can't give you any tips...sorry.

HTH,

Cheers,
-Don Spoon-


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Re: load several images

[Li Liu]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003, Li Liu wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> I am using imlib to load image from disk. I like imlib because It supports
> several image file formats. Now I have a problem about loading several
> images at the same time. There is Diplay id for Xwindow, actually I don't
> need it, I use OpenGL diaplay the image, but because this id I can not
> load more than 1 image one time.
>
> Anybody know how to read several image files from disk using imlib?
>
> thanks,
>
> Li
>
>
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never mind. Fixed it.


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Re: bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[Jordan Evatt]

the ~/.bashrc file is read by non-login shells (i.e. xterm or eterm). the 
~/.bash_profile file is read by login(1) when you log in to the console.

jordan

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:53:07 -0500
Roberto Sanchez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Why is it that when I switch to a text console with -- that 
> bash does not read in my ~/.bashrc?
> 
> When I pull up a terminal in X it works fine (all my command aliases are 
> there).  And when I log in to a text console, if explicitly type in the 
> command 'bash' at the bash prompt, the new shell reads it in.  But the top 
> level shell from text login does not read it.
> 
> Any ideas?
> 
> -Roberto Sanchez
> 
> 
> 
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Re: cdrdao CD -> burner question

[DvB]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> On 21 Feb 2003 15:00:09 +0100,
> Mark Janssen wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > Faster writing will need more cpu, but burn-proof or whatever
> > will compensate.
> 
> Using burnproof on an audio CD isn't (generally) a good idea.
> 

Why not? Just curious.


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Re: Exim-TLS - how to auth user?

[Ernest Johanson]

Do you have an authenticator configured in your exim.conf file? You have
to have one before exim will recognize the authentication methods. Chs. 36
and 37 in the manual explain how to do it.

Ernest Johanson
Systems Administrator
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> Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 19:25:49 +
> From: Iain Tatch <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: Exim-TLS - how to auth user?
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> Hello the list
> 
> I have a question regarding authenticating an SMTP request.
> 
> I have a user who would like to be able to use my Debian woody machine as a
> general SMTP host while he is "on the road". He could be connecting via any
> of a number of dial-up accounts, all with dynamic IP assignment, so I cannot
> authenticate him via a simple IP address.
> 
> My MTA on this box is Exim, and after a little bit of reading around, I
> decided what I needed to do was to use the SMTP-AUTH extension (as per RFC
> 2554), and to avoid sending passwords in the clear, to use the TLS version
> of Exim.
> 
> So I `apt-get install exim-tls`, created myself a TLS certificate, and made
> the necessary modifications to the exim.conf to switch on the SMTP-over-TLS
> stuff. FYI the additional stuff I made to the exim.conf are:
> 
># Which hosts do we tell that we have STARTTLS available?
>tls_advertise_hosts = *
> 
># File locations
>tls_certificate = /etc/ssl/certs/exim.tls.crt
>tls_privatekey  = /etc/ssl/certs/exim.tls.key
> 
># insist that any client using auth starts a TLS session first
>auth_over_tls_hosts = *
> 
> So far so good, if I telnet to port 25 and issue an EHLO command, exim
> replies that one of the functions supported is STARTTLS. But what I *don't*
> seem to be able to do is get Exim to recognise any of the authentication
> methods, it doesn't seem to have been compiled with either AUTH_PLAIN or
> AUTH_CRAM-MD5 (or anything else).
> 
> If this is so, I'm still not really much better off. I can insist that my
> roaming user connects via a secure method, but if I still have no way of
> authenticating him then I still can't verify identity, and hence I'd still
> have to leave my Exim in a basically open relay state (albeit one that will
> require a secure connection).
> 
> Am I missing something, or has the Exim-TLS package been compiled without
> any of the AUTH methods. Which seems rather odd to me.
> 
> Any help, tips, flames etc gratefully received.
> 
> Thanks!
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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Barry Rab]

Hall Stevenson wrote:

At 10:03 AM 2/21/2003 -0800, Craig Dickson wrote:

nate wrote:

> deFreese, Barry said:
> > OK, this is probably a newbie question and maybe it has been covered
> > before but it's been buggin' me for a while.
> >
> > So we have Potato, Woody, Sid, Sarge.  Are the Debian folks Toy 
Story fans
> > or is it just coincidence?
>
> no coincidence. though i've never seen the movie myself. And don't
> plan to :)
>
> there was also hamm(2.0), and slink(2.1), not sure if those were 
part of
> toy story too ?

Yes, of course. Hamm was a piggy bank and slink was a dog whose middle
body was a slinky.
Sid, by the way, was the nasty little boy next door who dismembered toys
for fun -- hence the use of his name for the unstable branch.
Do you just generally dislike films, or "kid" movies? Toy Story is
actually a lot of fun for all ages. The script has a lot of clever
touches aimed at the adults in the audience. Amazingly, Toy Story 2 is
also quite good; Pixar chose not to just make an inferior clone of the
first movie, and instead took the characters in a somewhat different
direction.


Glad to see/read that I'm not the only "adult" that really enjoys 
watching the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are 
good too. :-)

Hall
Even close to retiring one must find some form of relaxation, and Shrek 
provided some.
Then of course one could always find something from Chicken Run for 
future releases :-))
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Re: Changing process priority

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 01:59:31PM -0600, Michael Heironimus wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:23:41PM +0100, Ronald Castillo wrote:
> > I was wondering if anyone could please tell me how to change the priority for 
> > a process.  Actually what I want to do is give more (most) processor priority 
> > to ffmpeg when encoding videos.
> 
> Read the man page on "nice". If you want to give it highest priority
> you'd use "nice -20 command ...", but it's usually a better idea to use
> -10 or -15 instead to just give it an advantage over most of your other
> processes (which usually run at 0).

Er, I think you'd want to use "nice --20" or "nice -n -20" or even
"nice --adjustment=-20"; "nice -20" implies a nice level ov positive
twenty whic is invalid; the highest numer (and lowest priority)
accepted is 19.

Sorry for the nitpick :-)

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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 03:08:58PM -0600, DvB wrote:
> Barry Rab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> 
> > Cannot something be done to stop them using the list?
> > Thanks , Barry
> > 
> 
> You can:
> 
> 1.) Report the spam to the ISP it was sent from.
> 2.) Put add a filter so that it doesn't get in your inbox
> 3.) Stop posting spam back to the list. We already saw it.

Actually, I never saw the original but I did see the response.  That
made me angry, very angry indeed.

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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:57:14PM -0500, Hall Stevenson wrote:
> They are (others have posted the Debian pages related to this). "hamm" is a 
> toy piggy bank (voice by one of the Cheers characters, the postman, I 
> believe) in the movie and "slink" is a slinky toy (voice by Gilbert Gnarly 
> is it ??).

That would be John Ratzenberger (Cliff Clavin on _Cheers_) who
incidentally also has a role in _The Empire Strikes Back_; he's one of
the rebel officers at the base on Hoth.

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Re: free Bitstream fonts

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:25:59AM -0500, Gregory Seidman wrote:
> At LinuxWorld Expo there was much talk of the fonts Bitstream was making
> available for free use (mainly for GNOME). It appears that they have been
> released in a preliminary version at http://gnome.org/fonts/
> 
> Is anyone planning on packaging them? At the moment, they are available
> with a restriction on redistribution, but that didn't prevent a Debian
> package from being created for the MS core fonts (msttcorefonts). It would
> be great if someone decided to package them as they are, with a download as
> part of the install script, then rev the package with the actual fonts when
> the final, redistributable versions come out.

At the risk of sounding like a pretentious jerk, you would know that
packaging these fonts is already being discussed on the debian-legal
list; the potential packager is trying to ensure that the license is
acceptable before actually speding time packaging.

Also, if you want to see software package you should file an RFP bug
against wnpp (I think that's how it works).  Asking people on d-user
to package stuff probably isn't very efficient.

That is all :-)

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Re: DHCP/DNS assistance

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:40:05AM -0300, Francisco M Neto wrote:
>   Hi there, 
> 
> > > I set up DHCP and faked it out so that it doesn't gripe
> > > about eth0 not having a subnet config (hours of study and
> > > trial...there's supposed to be a simple config setting for
> > > this, but it didn't work for me and I couldn't find any of
> > > the files or directories that were pointed out in all my
> > > searches) 
> > 
> > At least for dhcp3-server it is a simple tweak - the name of the
> > interface goes on the command line. IIRC it was the same for dhcpd.
> > Simple tweaks to the /etc/init.d/* script.
> 
>   No!! Don't do that. If you do an apt-get upgrade later it will most
> likely replace the /etc/init.d script. Instead of that, alter the file
> /etc/default/dhcp.

Wow; I edited my /etc/init.d/dhcp script a few years ago and it hasn't
been replaced yet.  I think that has something to do with me answering
'N' when dpkg asks me if I want to replace my script with the new
version from the package.  I usually use 'D' to vgrep for changes
which I might want to apply.

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load several images

[Li Liu]

Hi,

I am using imlib to load image from disk. I like imlib because It supports
several image file formats. Now I have a problem about loading several
images at the same time. There is Diplay id for Xwindow, actually I don't
need it, I use OpenGL diaplay the image, but because this id I can not
load more than 1 image one time.

Anybody know how to read several image files from disk using imlib?

thanks,

Li


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Re: cdrdao CD -> burner question

[csj]

On 21 Feb 2003 15:00:09 +0100,
Mark Janssen wrote:
> 
> On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 14:44, stan wrote:

> > I've got a machine with both a 56X CD and an HP CD writer. I
> > would like to be able to copy CD's (audio) by going directly
> > fro the CD to the burner. Is this feasible? Looks like cdrdao
> > has command line options to do this. Will there bee speed
> > issues, given a reasonably fast machine )1.8G Athalon)? Do I
> > need to have the CD set up using SCSI emulation? Presently, I
> > only have the writer set up that way.
> 
> cdrdao copy-cd --source-device=?,?,? --device=?,?,? --on-the-fly.
> 
> Replace the ?,?,? with values from 'cdrecord -scanbus'
> 
> You need scsi emulation for whatever drive you want to use with
> cdrdao It will work without problems on any decent
> computer... I use a K6-350 with plextor 12 speed and aopen-dvd
> reader.
> 
> Faster writing will need more cpu, but burn-proof or whatever
> will compensate.

Using burnproof on an audio CD isn't (generally) a good idea.


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Re: Gibraltar, apache and samba at the same machine

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:21:10AM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:45:33AM -0600, Nathan E Norman wrote:
> > gibraltar is not what you want.  Install the "ipmasq" package.
> 
> Well, if we're talking only a single computer altogether, then making
> sure you don't have any services that aren't being used installed, and
> make sure the ones that are being used are both properly configured
> and patched in an intelligent manner should really cover your bases.
> If it's a home box with no services to the outside world, you can
> pretty much remove all services but the MTA, reconfigure the MTA to
> not listen outside of localhost and learn a little iptables to close
> everything off that isn't originating from the box or related to an
> existing connection.

Agreed.  However, the script this guy posted indicated he was doing
NAT (though it's still not clear to me that it's needed :-) which is
why I mentioned the ipmasq package.  It's not perfect  but IMO it's a
good starting point for newbies.

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Re: audio recording is (still) fast

[Vineet Kumar]

* Kenneth Dombrowski ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 12:00]:
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I started this thread in Dec. & kind of gave up on it for awhile, but
> it's still happening intermittently & I've come up with some more clues,
> so I figured I'll try again.. I'm manually adding some of the headers to
> preserve the thread as kind of an experiment.. hope it works!

Actually, what needs to be done is to add those message IDs into a
References header.  I'm doing that here, and including your message, so
that (hopefully) it will get re-threaded for the archives.

> 
> When I record from my laptop's mic (I've been using both gramofile & 
> audacity), occasionally the resulting file plays back really fast. 
> 'file' reports a normal 44100 Hz .wav file:
> 
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mp3/tmp$ file new.wav
> new.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
> stereo 44100 Hz
> 
> using 'play' from the sox package, I can play the file back @ 21033 Hz 
> and it sounds closer, but still a little fast. Other wavs are playing
> back normally, so it seems to be happening during the recording process.
> (indeed, when recording with audacity I can see the little time indicator 
> go shooting off into the future while the sound-form display appears to 
> act normally)
> 
> I've noticed this happens after using my Hauppaugue usb wintv card,
> which uses a module called usbvision that I patched into the kernel.
> Obviously, it's a bug with that module & I will report the problem to
> the authors, so it's not really a debian problem, but I still thought
> this would be a good place to ask how to get the system back to normal
> in the meantime... maybe the problem is obvious to somebody who actually
> understands how sound works. Rebooting doesn't fix the problem when it
> happens, in the past I've just always left it alone for a couple of days
> and eventually it works again
> 
> I usually manually 'modprobe usbvision' if I want to use the tv card,
> unfortunately I can't get the system back to normal right now to test if
> that alone is enough to screw it up, or if I have to actually use it..
> if it makes a difference.. 
> 
> The laptop in question uses the i810_audio module, I tried 
> 'modprobe -r'ing it, but it claims to be in use. I am using the OSS sound 
> drivers, not alsa. it's sid with a customized debian 2.4.19 kernel
> 
> Any thoughts appreciated,
> Kenneth

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bash not reading ~/.bashrc

[Roberto Sanchez]

Why is it that when I switch to a text console with -- that 
bash does not read in my ~/.bashrc?

When I pull up a terminal in X it works fine (all my command aliases are 
there).  And when I log in to a text console, if explicitly type in the 
command 'bash' at the bash prompt, the new shell reads it in.  But the top 
level shell from text login does not read it.

Any ideas?

-Roberto Sanchez



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Re: Package Depedency Problems/Conficts

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:53:42AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:19:34PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 11:54:09AM +, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > Actually, unstable updates at 19:52 UTC (or 20:52 UTC if auric is on
> > > daylight savings time).
> > 
> > UTC does not observe DST, hence Pacific Time being -0700 or -0800
> > depending what time of year it is.
> 
> Indeed; however, cron jobs operate according to local time.

I wonder if that's really a feature; it seems like it'd be useful to
be able to specify that the time in a crontab refers to UTC (or "Zulu"
time as I think of it) rather than local time.  For one thing, this
could make it easier to remote deploy machines across diverse
geographical areas; all times in config files would mean the same
thing.

Oh well.
 
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Re: tunnelling -- best practices

[Nathan E Norman]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 12:13:16AM -0600, Will Trillich wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 20, 2003 at 10:44:37AM -0500, jereme wrote:
> > Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > >   `-  Debian - when you have better things to do than to fix a system
> > 
> > I always thought this was an *excellent* footer.
> 
> "...like spending five years learning to configure it."
> 
> 
> sure, it doesn't hurt to know structural engineering and
> stress-to-load balances for tungsten alloy and the
> load-carrying capacity of a certain truss... but when you want
> to build a birdhouse, it seems like overkill.
> 
> 
> just a little frustrated at recent/current config troubles.
> i'll go away and sulk now...

While you're sulking, it might occur to you that you're having trouble
configuring a certain piece of software, not debian.  I find your
comments unfair.

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Re: DHCP/DNS assistance

[Russell Zauner]

|On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 09:40:05AM -0300, Francisco M Neto
wrote:
|> Karl E. Jorgensen wrote:
|> > At least for dhcp3-server it is a simple tweak - the
name of the
|> > interface goes on the command line. IIRC it was the
same for dhcpd.
|> > Simple tweaks to the /etc/init.d/* script.
|> 
|>  No!! Don't do that. If you do an apt-get upgrade later
it will most
|> likely replace the /etc/init.d script.

|It had certainly better not! If you see something doing
that, ensure
|that a serious bug is filed.

I wonder how the boot scripts resolve across whole upgrades,
then?  Not a topic for here, maybe...but it seems to me that
the one included in the original install (I'm updating a
3.0r0 on my server on a regular basis) would have things
that may need to be improved or changed in subsequent point
releases...

|> Instead of that, alter the file /etc/default/dhcp.

|That's good advice, but /etc/default files are provided for
convenience
|to make the job of merging changes to /etc/init.d scripts
easier. They
|are emphatically *not* an excuse for upgrades to overwrite
changes made
|directly in /etc/init.d, and if people want to do the
latter then
|they're quite entitled to go ahead.

Here's what I did (veeery short form)

I tried looking for a configuration directory (what appears
upon inspection to be the RH path, but it's what I found in
a _lot_ of tutorials), in order to set DHCPDARGS = "eth1";
(with or without quotes, it was stated both  ways in various
methods, nothing ever took it as an legitimate
option/argument), in (IIRC) init.d script it was set up as a
variable INTERFACE and then passed value (or is that by
reference?) to command line.  It was also set in in the
dhcpd conffile as eth1, so all bases were covered.

dhcpd still complained of needing a subnet declaration for
eth0, so I finally gave in and created it with {}.  Then
everything was fine as far as IP connectivity.  The clients
got addresses in the ranges I'd specified, and each could
run services (ftp, telnet, etc) to and from the server, in
windows and linux.  The funny thing was that the win/lin
clients could resolve the server hostname, but nothing else
in the system.  If DNS was completely shot, I would have
thought even that was possible.  So I thought there was
something running that I was somehow misconfiguring... ps
-ef  | grep ...what should I be looking for besides
dhcpd?  Is there a DNS daemon or is it  BIND that handles
that?  Maybe I can do this all through samba, but then what
the devil's a WINS proxy?

Even more reading is in order, it appears.  Any ptr to
apropros?  Suggestions gratefully accepted.  Most hardcopies
can't keep up with versions, so that's been a bust for
anything but eaching the basic protocols (library had some
stuff).

Thanks for the help!

-russ

PS When I get this resolved, should I post a "solved"
message, or where would I put that info?  It would be a
shame for me to go through all this work and then not put it
in simple layman's terms in some sort of document (that I
could have followed right now!).  I'm pretty certain that a
lot of people are trying to transition their various
systems/nets to a more or complete linux based solution,
something like this would be a phenomenal help...and it
would be more current than 99% of what I found out there.


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Re: [OT]Yahoo mail

[csj]

On 20 Feb 2003 14:54:45 -0600,
DvB wrote:
> 
> David Pastern <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Well that's cos Yahoo is *ucked - I won't use or recommend
> > their services ever again. I just had my ex g/f crack my
> > yahoo account, because of a weakness in their setup.  When
> > you forget a p/w, you can do the secret question routine, and
> > if someone knows you well enough there's a chance that

Solution: change your passwords regularly, especially after an
estrangement.

> That's why you should never let anyone get to know you that
> well :-P
> 
> > they'll guess it and be able to force a request of p/w.  In
> > itself nothing too bad, but when the new p/w is posted on the
> > *ucking webpage (instead of being mailed to a registered
> > account)...then that cracker can easily just change your p/w
> > and log on and do what they want.  The result:
> 
> Yes, that is a pretty serious security flaw. However, I think
> they probably do it because the "real" address people sign up
> with isn't always valid when they request a password change (I
> know the one I supplied when I singed up for mine isn't valid
> anymore, and I've decided to leave it that way... which, after
> reading your post, might not be such a good thing).

I don't consider it a flaw at all. Yahoo was one of the best free
pop mail providers, and I have probably tried every provider
listed in emailaddresses.com (IIRC). Yahoo has since done away
with the free pop, so I have reduced my account to sucking email
alerts (like the Debian Security adivsory or the Marssociety
newsletter) via the fetchyahoo script.

Yahoo's fine as a fallback account or as an address I'd hand out
to people I don't know too well. If they turned out to be
relentless spammers, I could always sign up for a new
account: no questions asked. Try that with your ISP.


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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:21:27AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I liked Bugs Life.  Couldn't get into Antz very well.  Probably because I
> can't stand Woody Allen.

Nobody likes the characters he usually plays in his
movies. Nevertheless, he is a great director. At least in Europe
everybody loves him.

Sorry for the former incomplete post.

Regards, Ismael
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Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[Ismael Valladolid Torres]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:21:27AM -0800, deFreese, Barry wrote:
> I liked Bugs Life.  Couldn't get into Antz very well.  Probably because I
> can't stand Woody Allen.

Nobody likes the usual character Woddy Allen play 

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> 
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Re: Tripwire

[Jeff]

Kirk Strauser, 2003-Feb-21 13:29 -0600:
> At 2003-02-21T12:45:59Z, Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Is there a comparable package available for debian?
> 
> I've started using AIDE on my production machines.

I'm using Integrit.  It's working nicely on my Testing system.

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Re: Jargon File - where is tuxedo.org?

[Ron Johnson]

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 08:46, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 02:04:56PM +, Keith O'Connell wrote:
> 
> > I wanted to get a reference from the jargon file so I went to
> > www.tuxedo.org, but was instead taken to the Free Software Foundation!
> 
> ESR warned everybody for several months that it everything at
> tuxedo.org would be moving to catb.org.

That's a bit of a pretentious(sp?) statement, since he didn't warn
me or Keith the OP...

Better to say that he announced it on certain hacker or geek lists
and web sites that some of us don't frequent or aren't subscribed to...

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Re: Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

[DvB]

Barry Rab <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:


> Cannot something be done to stop them using the list?
> Thanks , Barry
> 

You can:

1.) Report the spam to the ISP it was sent from.
2.) Put add a filter so that it doesn't get in your inbox
3.) Stop posting spam back to the list. We already saw it.


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Re: Best WWW browser..

[csj]

On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 18:13:15 +1100,
Rob Weir wrote:
> 
> [1  ]
> On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:19:18PM +, p wrote:
> > ...and having the ability to turn off the pop-ups advertising
> > is a great feature in 7.01.
> 
> Which has been in Mozilla for over a year, and was consiously
> hidden away by Netscape to make it more difficult to disable
> popups.

Now where is this option to turn off pop-ups? Is it one of the
itmes listed under Javascript (Preferences/Advanced/Script &
Plugins)? 


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Problems Installing Debian with Fasttrak 378 / SATA150

[Paulo Neves]

Hello,

I've been on problems to install Debian GNU/Linux 3.0 "Woody" with bf24
kernel.

1. The install don't detect the chipset (FastTrak 378)or the hd.

System:
P4 2.4
Board Albatron 845PE Pro II with Promise Fasttrak 378 / SATA150
1 HD IBM 80GB IDE (is connected on the IDE of the Fasttrak)
The other 4 IDE of the board are already in use.

2. What I have tried.

I've disconnected all IDE from board with exception to the HD80GB and
one CDROM on /dev/hdc
When it boot up from CD I've tried 'Debian Promise FastTrak RAID HOWTO
by moyix - Monday, April 29th 2002 18:18 PST' without success.


3. I didn't try other distros and I don't want to.


4. What can I try? 


Thanks, 
Paulo Neves









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Re: wine and IE

[Gary Turner]

nate wrote:

>Gary Turner said:
>
>
>> page of nested tables, simply because that seems the best way to present
>> your ideas.  Then take a look at the page with Lynx.
>
>i don't think that's fair. lynx is not what I would call a feature
>complete browser. links may be better to compare with. But for me

I test in Lynx precisely because it is not featureful.  It is my purely
personal prejudice that any page *I* write should still be
understandable even in a browser such as Lynx.

[...]
>
>> The graphic artists, or anyone coming from print seem to think they can
>> control the final look.  That may be the reason so many sites are
>> effectively IE only :(  The fact is that browsers render differently, and
>> are further affected by user preferences.  Since the final look is *not*
>> under the author's control, the author must test and rewrite until the
>> page at least looks ok regardless of browser.
  ^
OK, this is hyperbole ;) More later.
>
>to a certain point of course. Even different versions of IE render
>pages differently in many cases(I've read posts by people who said
>their intranet apps were designed for IE 5.5 and the ONLY work in
>IE 5.5 not in 6 not in 5.0, not in anything non IE). To really make

Not just on intranets.  There are sites in the wild that exhibit similar
limitations.  As far as I'm concerned, these so-called web designers are
acting stupidly.

>it work regardless of browser you'd probably have to use HTML 3
>or below[...]

Not necessarily, just be aware of how the browser will handle the tag.
Lynx doesn't support tables, so you take care that your tables render
reasonably.  IE isn't fully compliant with CSS1 or CSS2.  You just have
to be alert to possible problems and adjust accordingly.

>
>But a web developer can't test every possible combonation, e.g what
>about the web browser on QNX? or[...]
>
>Some amount of testing is important, but saying regardless of
>browser goes too far I think.[...]

See my revisions and extensions above.  Yeah, what you do is test for
your market.  In my case, IE, NS, Moz, and Opera for the most part on
Win, Mac and Linux OSs.  There are others, of course, but these pretty
well cover my customer base.
>
>If someone really wants to make their stuff work on most any browser
>they have to drop all the modern stuff like[...]Or at least make
>a version of the site that does not use such technologies.

True.
>
>I don't encounter many pages that I can't view in phoenix/moz/opera
>but when I do(e.g. mostly flash only sites) I leave and never go
>back.

Friends don't let friends use flash.  I have yet to see a site that
Flash adds any value to.  They must be out there, I just haven't
seen'em.

> last night for some reason I was trying to download a BIOS
>upgrade for my sister's dell from dell's support site(I HATE DELL),
>and the damn site wouldn't let in in using phoenix, no matter what
>link I clicked it took me to the same page(choose what kind of
>customer you are). Mozilla worked though so i managed to get the
>update..only to have to fire up vmware in order to make the floppy
>to update it!

Dell has one of the worst sites I've ever seen from a useability
standpoint.  I've found the answer is to get customer service on the
phone and let them lead me by the hand through the site. (What the hey,
it works :))
>
>oh, and of course I absolutely refuse to load VMWARE to load IE
>(or wine or any other method) to view a site. If the site wants
>to lock me out then that's their choice. And it's mine to choose
>not to go there or reccomend it in the future to anyone.

When I run into that, and if I have a moment, I email the webmaster to
suggest they hire a designer with a clue.

[...]

Nate's comments were heavily edited.  If not fresh in your mind, please
reread it.  It is very clueful.

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Re: module configuration

[Haim Ashkenazi]

On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 12:04, Paul Johnson wrote:
>
> Because the modules that are loaded at boot time by the system are
> listed in /etc/modules
It's not there either...
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Boy! this spam is riling me!Re: First Time

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Re: nvidia driver for debian testing

[sean finney]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:25:57AM -0800, Dennis Krinke wrote:
> Hi, I am trying to install nvidia 3D driver for riva tnt on debian testing,
> kernel 2.4.20-k6. Originally, I tried from nvidia source,
> now I am trying from debian packages. I can compile the package
> nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb,
> but it does not load.
> If I try to force insert the module I get many unresolved symbol errors,
> just like when I tried to compile from nvidia source.

are you sure you're building against the kernel headers for the
kernel that you're running?  if you're running a stock debian kernel,
move any kernel source you have in /usr/src out of the way, install the
kernel-headers package for your kernel (apt-get install
kernel-headers-2.4.20-k6 maybe?), and then re-compile your module
against that like you did previously.


hth
sean


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Re: Changing process priority

[Michael Heironimus]

On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 08:23:41PM +0100, Ronald Castillo wrote:
> I was wondering if anyone could please tell me how to change the priority for 
> a process.  Actually what I want to do is give more (most) processor priority 
> to ffmpeg when encoding videos.

Read the man page on "nice". If you want to give it highest priority
you'd use "nice -20 command ...", but it's usually a better idea to use
-10 or -15 instead to just give it an advantage over most of your other
processes (which usually run at 0).

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audio recording is (still) fast

[Kenneth Dombrowski]

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Hi,

I started this thread in Dec. & kind of gave up on it for awhile, but
it's still happening intermittently & I've come up with some more clues,
so I figured I'll try again.. I'm manually adding some of the headers to
preserve the thread as kind of an experiment.. hope it works!

When I record from my laptop's mic (I've been using both gramofile & 
audacity), occasionally the resulting file plays back really fast. 
'file' reports a normal 44100 Hz .wav file:

[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/mp3/tmp$ file new.wav
new.wav: RIFF (little-endian) data, WAVE audio, Microsoft PCM, 16 bit,
stereo 44100 Hz

using 'play' from the sox package, I can play the file back @ 21033 Hz 
and it sounds closer, but still a little fast. Other wavs are playing
back normally, so it seems to be happening during the recording process.
(indeed, when recording with audacity I can see the little time indicator 
go shooting off into the future while the sound-form display appears to 
act normally)

I've noticed this happens after using my Hauppaugue usb wintv card,
which uses a module called usbvision that I patched into the kernel.
Obviously, it's a bug with that module & I will report the problem to
the authors, so it's not really a debian problem, but I still thought
this would be a good place to ask how to get the system back to normal
in the meantime... maybe the problem is obvious to somebody who actually
understands how sound works. Rebooting doesn't fix the problem when it
happens, in the past I've just always left it alone for a couple of days
and eventually it works again

I usually manually 'modprobe usbvision' if I want to use the tv card,
unfortunately I can't get the system back to normal right now to test if
that alone is enough to screw it up, or if I have to actually use it..
if it makes a difference.. 

The laptop in question uses the i810_audio module, I tried 
'modprobe -r'ing it, but it claims to be in use. I am using the OSS sound 
drivers, not alsa. it's sid with a customized debian 2.4.19 kernel

Any thoughts appreciated,
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Re: spamassassin - three basic questions

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2003-02-21T17:16:37Z, Levi Waldron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> It takes about 5-10 seconds per message, so before I started filtering my
> debian-user messages before processing, it was prohibitive.

I see the same thing on my GHz+ Athlon server.  However, the process spends
about 99.9% of that time waiting for something such as a DNS request to
finish; I can process 15-20 incoming emails simultaneously in the same
5-second window without a detectable load on the machine.
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Re: mutt compressed folders support ???

[Vineet Kumar]

* Vineet Kumar ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) [030221 09:22]:
> As for the details of this particular patch, I'm uncertain, so I'll not
> give an unauthoritative answer (i.e. a guess).  I'm pretty sure you
> don't need any hooks, though; I'd guess that's the whole reason for the
> patch.  If it does use hooks as shown above, though, then it should be
> easy to create a hook for your .tgz maildirs as well.

Well, it turns out I should have just shut up where I didn't know whatI
was talking about, like I said I was going to =p

You do need {open,close,append}-hook.  

> good times,
> Vineet
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Exim-TLS - how to auth user?

[Iain Tatch]

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Hello the list

I have a question regarding authenticating an SMTP request.

I have a user who would like to be able to use my Debian woody machine as a
general SMTP host while he is "on the road". He could be connecting via any
of a number of dial-up accounts, all with dynamic IP assignment, so I cannot
authenticate him via a simple IP address.

My MTA on this box is Exim, and after a little bit of reading around, I
decided what I needed to do was to use the SMTP-AUTH extension (as per RFC
2554), and to avoid sending passwords in the clear, to use the TLS version
of Exim.

So I `apt-get install exim-tls`, created myself a TLS certificate, and made
the necessary modifications to the exim.conf to switch on the SMTP-over-TLS
stuff. FYI the additional stuff I made to the exim.conf are:

   # Which hosts do we tell that we have STARTTLS available?
   tls_advertise_hosts = *

   # File locations
   tls_certificate = /etc/ssl/certs/exim.tls.crt
   tls_privatekey  = /etc/ssl/certs/exim.tls.key

   # insist that any client using auth starts a TLS session first
   auth_over_tls_hosts = *

So far so good, if I telnet to port 25 and issue an EHLO command, exim
replies that one of the functions supported is STARTTLS. But what I *don't*
seem to be able to do is get Exim to recognise any of the authentication
methods, it doesn't seem to have been compiled with either AUTH_PLAIN or
AUTH_CRAM-MD5 (or anything else).

If this is so, I'm still not really much better off. I can insist that my
roaming user connects via a secure method, but if I still have no way of
authenticating him then I still can't verify identity, and hence I'd still
have to leave my Exim in a basically open relay state (albeit one that will
require a secure connection).

Am I missing something, or has the Exim-TLS package been compiled without
any of the AUTH methods. Which seems rather odd to me.

Any help, tips, flames etc gratefully received.

Thanks!
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Re: Tripwire

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2003-02-21T12:45:59Z, Jeff Elkins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a comparable package available for debian?

I've started using AIDE on my production machines.
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nvidia driver for debian testing

[Dennis Krinke]

Hi, I am trying to install nvidia 3D driver for riva tnt on debian testing,
kernel 2.4.20-k6. Originally, I tried from nvidia source,
now I am trying from debian packages. I can compile the package
nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb,
but it does not load.
If I try to force insert the module I get many unresolved symbol errors,
just like when I tried to compile from nvidia source.
One person recommended that I needed to update modutils,
I have not yet tried this.
Any suggestions?
TIA,
Dennis Krinke
:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123# cd /usr/src
:/usr/src# tar xzvf nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz
modules/
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/README.Debian
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/changelog
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/control.template
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/copyright
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/devfs.conf
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/devfs.devices
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/dirs.template
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/genchanges.sh
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/modules
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/override.template
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/postinst
modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/debian/rules
:/usr/src# uname -r
2.4.20-k6
:/usr/src# ls -l
total 416
drwxr-xr-x3 root root 4096 Feb 16 23:13 
kernel-headers-2.4.20
drwxr-xr-x3 root src  4096 Sep 21 15:37 modules
drwxrwsr-x3 root src  4096 Feb 16 22:30 nvidia-glx-1.0.3123
-rw-r--r--1 root src397622 Feb 21 10:31 
nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb
-rw-r--r--1 root root 6254 Sep 21 15:37 
nvidia-kernel-src.tar.gz

:/usr/src#  export KSRC=/usr/src/kernel-headers-2.4.20
:/usr/src#  export KVERS=2.4.20-k6
:/usr/src# cd modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123
:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123# debian/rules binary_modules

dh_builddeb --destdir=/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/../..
dpkg-deb: building package `nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6' in 
`/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123/../../nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb'.

:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123#  dpkg -i 
../../nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb
(Reading database ... 28238 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6 1.0.3123-3+ (using 
.../nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6_1.0.3123-3+_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6 ...
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver.dpkg-tmp
Setting up nvidia-kernel-2.4.20-k6 (1.0.3123-3+) ...
depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in 
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver

:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123# lsmod
Module  Size  Used byNot tainted
input   3328   0  (autoclean)
tulip  38048   1 
af_packet  11688   0  (unused)
rtc 5724   0  (autoclean)
ext2   30912   1  (autoclean)
ext3   56928   0  (autoclean)
jbd35912   0  (autoclean) [ext3]
ide-disk9280   2  (autoclean)
ide-probe-mod   8496   0  (autoclean)
ide-mod   149352   2  (autoclean) [ide-disk ide-probe-mod]
unix   13512  20  (autoclean)

:/usr/src/modules/nvidia-kernel-1.0.3123# dpkg -l |grep modu
ii  libpam-modules 0.76-7 Pluggable Authentication Modules for PAM
ii  modutils   2.4.19-3   Linux module utilities.
ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.3123-3+NVIDIA binary kernel module for Linux 
2.4.20
ii  nvidia-kernel- 1.0.3123-3 NVIDIA binary kernel module
ii  perl-modules   5.6.1-8.2  Core Perl modules.
ii  python-gtk 0.6.9-3GTK support module for Python.
ii  python-newt0.50.17-9.6A newt module for Python.

:/usr/src# insmod -f /lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
__get_free_pages_Rsmp_4784e424
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
create_proc_entry_Rsmp_83f569d5
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
proc_root_Rsmp_b4c94c07
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
pci_read

/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
register_chrdev_Rsmp_6e1b6381
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
do_gettimeofday_Rsmp_72270e35
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver: unresolved symbol 
__tasklet_hi_schedule_Rsmp_60ea5fe7
/lib/modules/2.4.20-k6/kernel/drivers/video/NVdriver:
Hint: You are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license
 and it has unresolved symbols.  Contact the module supplier for
   assistance, only they can

RE: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[deFreese, Barry]

> -Original Message-
> From: Hall Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 10:56 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names
> 
> 
> Glad to see/read that I'm not the only "adult" that really 
> enjoys watching 
> the Toy Story movies. By the way, A Bug's Life and Antz are 
> good too. :-)
> 
> Hall
> 

I liked Bugs Life.  Couldn't get into Antz very well.  Probably because I
can't stand Woody Allen.

Barry deFreese
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Nike Team Sports
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RE: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names

[deFreese, Barry]

> -Original Message-
> From: nate [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [OT] Actually Way OT - Debian version names
> 
> 
> 
> generally dislike family flicks. I've seen a lot of previews of
> toy story over the years and it really looked like something i would
> not enjoy. Maybe I had a bad childhood which influenced the way I
> react to such things, but I can't say for sure. Same goes for most
> other disney(and disney-like) things. I did enjoy them when I
> was much younger though(maybe age 11 and under?)
> 
> at the moment I'm watchin johnny bravo on my tivo so maybe not
> all hope is lost for me :)
> 
> nate
> 

Johnny Bravo??  SpongeBob all the way!!! :-)

Barry deFreese
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Changing process priority

[Ronald Castillo]

Hello.

I was wondering if anyone could please tell me how to change the priority for 
a process.  Actually what I want to do is give more (most) processor priority 
to ffmpeg when encoding videos.

I'm running a Debian Sarge system using 2.4.20 kernel and KDE 3.1.0

Thanks in advance,

Ronald Castillo


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Drivers for Serverworks chipset

[Neal Lippman]

I have on order a Dell server, which is based on the ServerWorks Grand
Champion SL chipset.

I was wondering if anyone knows what drivers should be used with this
chipset, particularly the on-board 10/100/1000 ethernet? I expect there
is Linux support, because Dell offers RedHat installed (I didn't order
that, figuring I would just load up Woody once the machien arrives).

Thanks.
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Re: CUPS Stable & Testing

[sdownes]

 Original Message 

sdownes wrote:
>> Cannot get anything to print direct to lp or lpr. I can get it to 
>>print. .to 
>> lp -d lp@host no problem.
>> 
>> I appear to have the default printer set to lp & am working (initially) 
>> from that host. I can move the default to another printer but this 
>> makes no difference.
>> 
>> As some of my software will only print to lp &therefore will not print 
>> (notably openoffice) this is a pain.
>> 
>> Any ideas please?
>> 
>> Steve
>>
 
> 
>Which CUPS packages do you have installed?  I am using CUPS here and 
>OpenOffice + all other apps print just fine.  Specifically, do you have 
>the cupsys-bsd package installed?  This package allows printing via CUPS 
>from apps that are looking for a BSD-style printing system.
>>
>I am willing to compare setups, but will need a bit more info about 
>yours...

>Cheers,
>-Don Spoon-


I've got the deb  stable packages installed with default settings at 
present but had the same problem with the testing version & played about 
with a lot of settings in that before purging it & starting again.  I do 
have cupsys cupsys-client & cupsys-bsd installed but not the gimp package.


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Re: wine and IE

[Gary Turner]

Colin Watson wrote:

>On Fri, Feb 21, 2003 at 11:04:15AM -0600, Gary Turner wrote:
>> Colin Watson wrote:
>> >Not everybody developing for the web is a shopkeeper (thank God). If I'm
>> >not trying to sell something and therefore achieve Perfect Marketing Zen
>> >in the quest to do so, I honestly don't care if their rendering is a bit
>> >off due to them using a five-year-old browser; I'll write
>> >standards-compliant content - which means that browsers should be able
>> >to extract the information even if not all the formatting - and if the
>> >rendering doesn't look right then that's their problem.

>> 
>> Ah, Colin.  You misunderstand my point.  From an earlier post, except
>> for the Ego pages, web pages are the store fronts of e-commerce.
>
>I guess you must do e-commerce for a living, but for the rest of us the

Only in a very small manner---and that mostly advisory, trying to put a
lid on the graphic artists.

>distinction is not even close to as clear-cut as that. I actually find
>it kind of offensive that e-commerce people think that everything that
>predated them on the web must have been pure ego.

No, I mean by Ego pages, the ones that say "hey, look at my neat-o
page", or "here's my new baby".  Even at that, I'm not being quite
fair--that is information of a sort.
>
>(Consider, for example, science, the birthplace of the web. If you think
>that science is just ego then we have nothing further to discuss ...)

Not at all.  My earlier post clearly stated that information is one of
the two reasons for web pages.  Commerce includes the trade in ideas.
Presenting a paper at an IEEE forum is no less commerce than selling a
loaf of bread.
>
>> To expect your customer (for ideas or goods or services) to change their
>> ways to suit your page is ridiculous.  
>
>Which is why one uses semantic markup (tables, for example, aren't
>semantic) to allow the "customer" to control things themselves. Sure,

Authors do not have final say on how the final product looks, but that
is no reason they can't suggest structure to better communicate.

>some degree of testing is absolutely sensible, but good semantic markup
>reduces the load on the coder as well.

Just my point.  If you want someone to accept your information, don't
you think it's your responsibility to make it legible to as many as
possible? (Including some logical structure, as needed.)  As for tables,
et al, they are a fact of web life and often just must be dealt with.
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CUPS spews out garbage

[Conrad Newton]

CUPS is driving me crazy.

I first tried to use CUPS last year on Mandrake.
But I found that frequently things were going
wrong, and the printer would start spewing
out garbage.  I would clear the /var/spool/cups
directory, restart cups, and things would be
all right for a little while until soon they
went wrong again.

My printer is an Epson Stylus Color 800, which
has been supported under Linux more or less 
forever, and even now it is mostly attached 
to an older laptop running Red Hat 6.0, because 
then it WORKS.

Today I tried once again to install CUPS, this
time under debian woody.  Following the advice
on linuxprinting.org, I am using the gimpprint
drivers.  No sooner had I started printing out
my first document (from openoffice) than the
printer stopped (one line was printed correctly).
When I restarted the printer, there was nothing
but garbage.  

Should I go back to lpr?  Any other suggestions?
CUPS has been so highly praised that I expected more, 
especially since Epson has such a long history 
of Linux support.

Conrad

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siisu:/home/conrad# dpkg -l '*cups*' '*foo*' gs enscript mpage gsfonts
psfontmgr | grep ii
ii  cupsys 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - server
ii  cupsys-bsd 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - BSD comman
ii  cupsys-client  1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - client pro
ii  cupsys-driver- 4.2.0-4gimp-print printer driver for CUPS
ii  cupsys-pstoras 1.1.14-4.4 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - pstoraster
ii  libcupsys2 1.1.14-4.3 Common UNIX Printing System(tm) - libs
ii  libqtcups2 2.0-4  Qt interface library for CUPS
ii  qtcups 2.0-4  Qt front-end for CUPS.
ii  foomatic-bin   0.20020408-4   Printer/Driver database and print system - b
ii  foomatic-db0.20020408-4   Printer/Driver database and print system - m
ii  gs 6.53-3 The Ghostscript Postscript interpreter
ii  enscript   1.6.3-1.1  Converts ASCII text to Postscript, HTML, RTF
ii  mpage  2.5.1pre-6 print multiple pages per sheet on PostScript
ii  gsfonts6.0-2  Fonts for the ghostscript interpreter
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