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Re: Sylpheed spellchecking help

[Todd Pytel]

On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 13:11:28 +0800
Russ Pitman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I've been through both the FAQ and the sylpheed-doc manual and can't
> even find a mention of spellchecking anywhere.

While not an ideally simple solution, you can probably define an Action
to run the message through the spell-checker of your choice.  That is,
if the Woody version has Actions - I think they are a somewhat recent
addition to the main branch.

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RE: Problem with video card when installing debian Gnu/Linux.

[Johansson Mikael (mj)]

Hello Mark.
Thank you for responding.
I have run lspci as root and found that my video-card is
described as an unknown device. The dpkg-reconfigure gives
an error message saying that something is not installed.
I think its time for Unstable/sid. When trying to download
this version of Debian-Linux I cant find the usual i386. 
What version of the Unstable/sid should I use for my
AMD processor or can I use sarge?
If you have time and want to respond, its ok if you dont I
appericiate the help you already given, please put my email-
address in the Cc... I have trouble being part of the list
because of the huge amount of emails. 
I want to send this to the list though. Maybe someone else
has the same problem. 

Best Regards
/Mikael


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On Mon, Aug 18, 2003 at 04:04:34PM +0200, Johansson Mikael (mj) wrote:
> Hello!
> Thank you very much for responding on my question Kent.
> Maybe I have to try Unstable/sid like you said but before
> that I thought of trying your hint while my feet are dry.
> What does it mean to run "lspci"? I tried to do it in the
> version of Debian I have installed, without any X-Window, 
> from the prompt but only got an error message that the command
> isn't known. Same thing with dpkg-reconfigure. Is it while
> installing this should be done. Sorry for my ignorance.

You need to be root (or you can specify the full path for
the command, but it won't necessarily help you if you need
root permissions to read things anyway). Su to root, or
log in as root, and then run lspci and dpkg-reconfigure
and things will go as clockwork.  Which means they'll go
well. :-)

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Re: The Associated Press has detected a violation in a document you authored.

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:08:55PM -0400, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
> Wouldn't it be somewhat amusing to set up an autoresponder that
> notifes the (other) autoresponders that their autoresponses are not
> appreciated?

This sounds like something everybody could easily do with procmail.
Everybody go for it, just make sure it's going to the postmaster at
the offending domain and not the list.

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Re: Sylpheed spellchecking help

[Roy Pluschke]

On August 21, 2003 10:11 pm, Russ Pitman wrote:
> I tried for several times to sub to the sylpheed mail list to ask this but
> no go so far, probably my error, however perhaps someone using sylpheed can
> help.
>
> Briefly I installed a debian woody system for a elderly friend to use as a
> browser and email and 'learn about computers'.
>
> He can manage both fine now using mozilla and sylpheed but has problems
> with spelling.
>
> I've been through both the FAQ and the sylpheed-doc manual and can't even
> find a mention of spellchecking anywhere.
>
> Using an external editor is not a satisfactory solution. My friends son
> uses yahoo and his mailer has a spellchecking button.
>
> So,failing a simple spellcheck for sylpheed, I suppose that my question
> really becomes,can anyone suggest a Debian alternative to the Yahoo mailer.
>
> I am about to setup a separate Woody box to use to test any suggestions
>

Sylpheed doen't have spell checking -- use sylpheed-claws instead they call it
a bleeding edge version but I have always found it stable enough for day to 
day use.

Hope this helps
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Re: Best way to upgrade a single app

[Darik Horn]

I do this with pinning.

1.  Make this your /etc/apt/preferences file:

# /etc/apt/preferences -- The APT preferences configuration.
# Run 'man apt_preferences' for more information.
#
# This file tells APT to use packages from the stable distribution by
# default, but allows packages from other distributions to be used without
# complete distribution upgrade.
#
# The user may specifically request packages from a particular distribution
# with --target-release option of apt-get.
#
# WARNING: Empty lines have special meaning in this file.
#
Package: *
Pin: release a=stable
Pin-Priority: 900
Package: *
Pin: release a=testing
Pin-Priority: 800
Package: *
Pin: release a=unstable
Pin-Priority: 700
# eof
2. Add the appropriate lines to the /etc/apt/sources.list file:

deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ testing main non-free contrib

3. Run `apt-get update`.

4. Run `apt-get upgrade`.  (If nothing is downloaded, then the pin is 
working properly.)

5. Run `apt-get install -t testing spamassassin`.  (There might be 
dependencies on a newer version of perl or libc.)

6. Be careful with dselect after installing the pin.  There are many 
'required' packages in testing that it will try to install, but that you 
don't really need.

David Corbin wrote:

I have a production system, that I do NOT want to migrate to testing/unstable.  
But, I would like to upgrade one particular package (spamassassin, in this 
case) to a more recent version.

What is the recommended way of doing this?  Should I just download and build 
the upstream package?  Can pinning help me?

Thanks
David
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Re: Quick question regarding permissions and tar

[Darik Horn]

tar cvfPpj /home/mark/secure-server-woody.tar.bz2 /home/image/secure-server
Run `tar jtvvf secure-sever-woody.tar.bz2` and notice how every file in the tarball has the '/home/image/secure-server' prefix.  This will make it difficult to unpack.  (The 'Pp' switches are not doing what you think they're doing.)

You will get the desired result by doing this:

# cd /home/image/secure-server
# tar jcf /home/mark/secure-server-woody.tar.bz2 *
You can install the tarball to a new disk by doing this:

# mkdir /target
# mount /dev/MyDisk /target
# cd /target
# tar jxf /home/mark/secure-server-woody.tar.bz2
# [install a boot loader to the new disk]
If you really need the initial '/' in the tarball, then you'll need to do something like this:

# chroot /home/image/secure-secure
# tar --exclude /out.tar.bz2 -jcvPf out.tar.bz2 /
# exit
Mark C wrote:

Hi,

I've created a snapshot of a secure locked down server running woody that
was stetup on a secure non net connnected pc, I've got it setup to run
discover and a few other apps on boot to automatically detect hardware and
so forth, so I can then extract this to any new server and setup a few
basic things like fstab,lilo,partitioning and updates etc..
I've installed the harddrive to another pc that again is not net
connected, but running woody with Gnome, I've mounted the hardrive and
created a compressed image of the new system:
tar cvfPpj /home/mark/secure-server-woody.tar.bz2 /home/image/secure-server

Basically this will compress using bz2 compression, do not strip slashes
and keep the permissions of the files.
This is fine, I have a live cd (opps, running gentoo basic, as its only
66mb), which I have copied the image to and use to extract to a new pc.
The problem I'm getting is that its not keeping the correct permissions,
it looks like its taking the permissions from the host livecd.
This I can understand, but when I chroot into the new environment, all the
permissions are messed up, where as in /dev/ where is should say i.e.
cdrom it only says 18 for the group (yes cdrom is listed in /etc/groups).
I can cure this by copying the same version of group from the newly
extracted system into the live cd after boot up and then wipe the
extracted image and re extract the new image again.
Basically is there any way around this problem? apart from creating my own
livecd using debian as a base
(I know I could try knoppix, but I really want a small base live cd,so
there is space for the new image)
Thanks

Mark
 



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Sylpheed spellchecking help

[Russ Pitman]

I tried for several times to sub to the sylpheed mail list to ask this but
no go so far, probably my error, however perhaps someone using sylpheed can
help.

Briefly I installed a debian woody system for a elderly friend to use as a
browser and email and 'learn about computers'.

He can manage both fine now using mozilla and sylpheed but has problems with
spelling.

I've been through both the FAQ and the sylpheed-doc manual and can't even
find a mention of spellchecking anywhere.

Using an external editor is not a satisfactory solution. My friends son uses
yahoo and his mailer has a spellchecking button.

So,failing a simple spellcheck for sylpheed, I suppose that my question
really becomes,can anyone suggest a Debian alternative to the Yahoo mailer.  

I am about to setup a separate Woody box to use to test any suggestions

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Re: Nvidia driver install

[Pigeon]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 05:10:30PM +0200, Nicos Gollan wrote:
> On Thursday 21 August 2003 16:47, Tim wrote:
> > Downloading with M$ often leads to incomplete files
> 
> Huh? That's new to me. Zealotry is fine, but it has to stop somewhere. The 
> only corrupted files I've seen so far were due to dud RAM.

I've had several dud files due to downloading under Windoze. Using
GetRight helped. Using Linux I've never had any problems...

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Re: Debian policy, major change ?

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 02:00:37PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> They do (IRC, anyway), but it's just not as effective. Face-to-face
> communication and the ability to look over at somebody's screen in real
> time and say "oh, *that's* what's wrong" are underrated sometimes.

Well, doesn't KDE automate the process of dealing with VNC for desktop
sharing?

> If you're suggesting that this release might have boot-floppies still,
> no, I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.

I wish I could share your optimism.  I can't even get far enough to
file a decent bug report using VMWare.

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Re: rms on debian

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:52:05PM -0400, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> This is further offtopic. There's an excellent movie that's called death
> of a bureaucrat. I believe the film is Cuban but I could be wrong
> (the movie is set in Cuba). It's one of the funniest movies I've ever
> seen, and I was watching it with English subtitles.

Well, dubbed versions go for flow of speech instead of literal
translations, which subtitles tend to shoot for.  It's pretty rare to
find a foreign film whose subtitles are the same as the English dub.
Mononoke Hime is a *rare* example of this.

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Help parsing a fetchmail dumped mail file

[Karsten M. Self]

I've got a file which 'file' reports as "lostmail: ASCII mail text, with
very long lines".

As I posted here yesterday, fetchmail was choking on ill-formed headers,
which research suggested was actually exim puking and fetchmail handling
the situation...ungracefully (fetchmail should, and may? have the option
to simply delete or bounce such mails).

Research suggested a fix was to use procmail as an MDA directly, rather
than exim (the local MTA).  This should reduce load on the local box
anyway as this bypasses a redundent Spamassassin pass.  So I edited
/etc/fetchmailrc and added the line 'with mda "/usr/bin/procmail".

Of course, the problem is, that this procmail process runs as the user
fetchmail is running as.  Though I'm somewhat relieved I didn't lose
1107 messages, totalling 34 MiB, I'm not quite sure what to do with the
resulting file.

(BTW, the fix, I suppose, is to run a user-mode fetchmail process, not a
system daemon).

Mutt doesn't recognize it as any known mbox format.  I believe it's
largely what fetchmail receives.  The format is:

A line reading "Status:  U"
A "Return-Path:" header.
Subsequent RFC 822 headers.
Message body.

Sample:

Status:  U
Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from popd.ix.netcom.com [207.217.120.162]
by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.2.3)
for [EMAIL PROTECTED] (single-drop); Wed, 20 Aug 2003 02:25:24 +0100 (BS
T)
Received: from azhg1483.com ([216.139.181.133])
by killdeer (EarthLink SMTP Server) with SMTP id 19Pf8U32y3NZFlr0
for <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; Tue, 19 Aug 2003 15:39:53 -0700 (PDT)
From: "MR GARY CUSUMA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:40:14 +0100
Subject: URGENT AND CONFIDENTIAL
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6900 DM
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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FROM=3AGARY CUSUMA


My question is:  how can I wrangle this file into a format that's
further processable?  I've tried with mutt, formail simply spits out a
single, somewhat large mail message (all 34 MiB ;-). 

Suggestions welcomed.

Peace.

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Re: keeping partitions mounted read-only

[Shaun Crossley]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 01:16:57PM +0200, Hans Wilmer wrote:
> 
> Thank you for your hints! I?ve already been trying to figure which files 
> prevent the partition from being remounted with lsof. The problem with lsof 
> is that a large number of files on /usr is listed, and I can?t tell which 
> of them need to be closed and which can stay open.

I have always understood that *any* open files would prevent a
partition from being unmounted, and I assume the same is true for
remounting the partition as read-only.  Therefore, using this
assumption, *every* file listed via "lsof +D /usr" must be closed
before the kernel will permit the partition to be unmounted or
remounted.

But perhaps I'm wrong.  

Anyone in the know care to set me straight?

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Re: Nvidia driver install

[ralph bacolod]

Is it possible to just convert the file w/c i
previously downloaded to unix format. . I live in a
third world country and an internet connection is a
luxury. .
How do i go about this?

thanks

ralph

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Re: Help with wireless products

[Andrea Tasso]

http://www.hpl.hp.com/personal/Jean_Tourrilhes/Linux/
or get a kernel image and look at wireless modules or a source and do the same, or get 
my working config is w netgrar ma311 linux-wlan-ng-modules and wireless-tools
ask in wlan and orinoco ml also

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:40:38AM -0400 or thereabouts, Michael Ward Cole wrote:
> I tried the D-Link dwl650+ which didn't have a driver for linux.  Then I 
> tried the Linksys wpc11 ver4 but there is no driver for this either. 
> What wireless network card works with linux?  Is orinoco now Proxim?
> Later,
> Michael
> 
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LILO ! framebuffer

[Paul M Foster]

Installation: Debian 3.0r1, kernel 2.4.16tsc, very old video card, so no 
weird nvidia drivers or anything. This is a machine I'm converting over 
from Red Hat 6.2. I'll searched for "framebuffer" in the Debian User 
archives for the last six months, and don't see the answer to this 
question.

On boot, I'm getting the framebuffer, with the little colored Tux in the 
upper lefthand corner of the screen. I don't want that, I want Linux to 
talk directly to my video card. I've tried vga=ask and vga=0 in Lilo, 
and neither works (vga=ask does indeed ask me, though). I thought I'd 
fixed this on other machines with vga=0, but it does not work with this 
one. Anyone know how to make the framebuffer and Tux go away?

Paul


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Re: dpkg in woody -- signed, unsigned

[ben]

Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
[snip]
Same as any other package.
Take your pick :
# aptitude purge debsig-verify
# apt-get remove --purge debsig-verify
# dpkg --purge debsig-verify
-D

thanks, dman. i wasn't aware of debsig-verify as a package. when did 
that happen? i used to run sid on a desktop a year back and was never 
confronted with the issue. nowadays i've got woody on a quirky sony 
laptop. while the stability is cool, the default debsig deal took me by 
surprise.

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Re: dpkg in woody -- signed, unsigned

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 05:05:26AM +, ben wrote:
| Joey Hess wrote:
| >ben wrote:
| >
| >>i've lurked the list, scoured the archives, but still can't find a 
| >>decisive cure for the signature deal with dpkg in woody. it's becoming a 
| >>huge pain to have to --force-bad-verify every deb i apt-get. there has 
| >>to be a better way, and i've obviously missed finding it. please, put me 
| >>out of my misery/ignorance.
| >
| >Remove debsig-verify.
| 
| joey, thanks for the blazingly prompt response, but, pray tell, how to 
| remove debsig-verify.

Same as any other package.
Take your pick :
# aptitude purge debsig-verify
# apt-get remove --purge debsig-verify
# dpkg --purge debsig-verify

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Re: dpkg in woody -- signed, unsigned

[ben]

Colin Watson wrote:
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:39:29AM +, ben wrote:

i've lurked the list, scoured the archives, but still can't find a 
decisive cure for the signature deal with dpkg in woody. it's becoming a 
huge pain to have to --force-bad-verify every deb i apt-get. there has 
to be a better way, and i've obviously missed finding it. please, put me 
out of my misery/ignorance.


  echo no-debsig >> /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg

Alternatively, remove the debsigs package.

Cheers,

thanks colin and joey. you guys rock. i love this list.

ben



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Re: Setting up the parport

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 12:05:15AM +0200, Wayne Gemmell wrote:
[...]

| Now for me dmesg shows 
| 
| parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)]
| lp0: using parport0 (polling).
| ppdev: user-space parallel port driver 
| 
| I've missed something I think, any ideas??

What indication do you have that your parport isn't working?

All you need is to load the
parport
parport_pc
lp
modules and the parallel port will work.

To test it, dump some data to /dev/lp0 and you should see the printer
react.  If the printer can handle ASCII input directly you should see
it print[1].  For example,
# echo -ne 'Hello World\n\f' >> /dev/lp0

HTH,
-D

[1] All non-Apple laser printers I've seen and  old "line" printers
can handle ASCII text directly.  Apple Laserwriters can only handle
Postscript.  Many (low-end) inkjets made in the past few years can
only handle propietary, binary, data streams.

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Re: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or How to move from exim 3.35 to 4.2

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:30:19AM +1000, Ivan Wills wrote:
| Hi
| I need to implement mail filters for attachments with dangerous file 
| extensions in exim.

| Does any one know how to do this with the version of exim 3.35 which 
| comes with Debian Woody?

There are a couple of ways.  One is to use exim's built-in filtering
mechanism.  An incomplete example can be found on exim.org.  It is
incomplete becase not all encodings and variations on MIME headers can
be parsed with a single regular expression.

Another is to use the technique described in
http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/config_docs/exim-spamassassin/ and
simply replace the spamassassin-specific parts with whatever filter
mechanism you want.

| How hard is it to move exim to version 4.2x under Debian Woody?

Not too hard.  I highly recommend upgrading to version 4.  It is
greatly improved in a number of ways.

| (Do any deb's exist for Woody?)

Not that I am aware of.

HTH,
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Re: dpkg in woody -- signed, unsigned

[Colin Watson]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 04:39:29AM +, ben wrote:
> i've lurked the list, scoured the archives, but still can't find a 
> decisive cure for the signature deal with dpkg in woody. it's becoming a 
> huge pain to have to --force-bad-verify every deb i apt-get. there has 
> to be a better way, and i've obviously missed finding it. please, put me 
> out of my misery/ignorance.

  echo no-debsig >> /etc/dpkg/dpkg.cfg

Alternatively, remove the debsigs package.

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Re: dpkg in woody -- signed, unsigned

[ben]

Joey Hess wrote:
ben wrote:

i've lurked the list, scoured the archives, but still can't find a 
decisive cure for the signature deal with dpkg in woody. it's becoming a 
huge pain to have to --force-bad-verify every deb i apt-get. there has 
to be a better way, and i've obviously missed finding it. please, put me 
out of my misery/ignorance.


Remove debsig-verify.

joey, thanks for the blazingly prompt response, but, pray tell, how to 
remove debsig-verify.

ben

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Re: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or Howto move from exim 3.35 to 4.2

[Ernest Johanson]

Take a look at http://www.exim.org/system_filter.exim. It is a filter
implemented in the exim filtering system. 

Ernest Johanson
Systems Administrator
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> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2003 10:30:19 +1000
> From: Ivan Wills <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> Subject: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or How
> to move from exim 3.35 to 4.2
> 
> Hi
> I need to implement mail filters for attachments with dangerous file 
> extensions in exim.
> Does any one know how to do this with the version of exim 3.35 which 
> comes with Debian Woody?
> How hard is it to move exim to version 4.2x under Debian Woody? (Do any 
> deb's exist for Woody?)
> 
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Thanks
> Ivan
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ben wrote:
> i've lurked the list, scoured the archives, but still can't find a 
> decisive cure for the signature deal with dpkg in woody. it's becoming a 
> huge pain to have to --force-bad-verify every deb i apt-get. there has 
> to be a better way, and i've obviously missed finding it. please, put me 
> out of my misery/ignorance.

Remove debsig-verify.

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Re: Gnome2.2 backport and XFree86 4.3 on woody [was R:e XFree864.3 in Woody]

[Evan Martin]

On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 23:48, Sven Luther wrote:
> Would it not be better to rebuild the gnome 2.2 backport together with a
> backport of branden's unofficial 4.3 packages ? I seriously doubt that
> it is wise to continue to stay with an XFree release that is more than
> 18 month old, and doesn't support lots of modern graphic cards. Also,
> gnome 2.2 was released, if i am not wrong, on almost the same timeframe
> as X 4.3 was released, so i seriously doubt that it is incompatible, or
> at least that early incompatibilities have not been fixed since.
> 
> So either it should run with 4.1 as present in woody, or go all the way
> and work with a backport of the 4.3 packages.

X 4.3 isn't a panacea:
  http://bugs.debian.org/200587
I'm running X 4.3 and totem still doesn't work.  I need to either
downgrade X or patch X 4.3, but I have the patience for neither and so I
use mplayer instead.  (I tried downgrading just libXi, but that made X
crash.)

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Re: Totem won't start

[Michael Gabilondo]

Hmm... well, I upgraded to linux 2.6.0-test3-bk9, and now totem
magically works. I'm not sure if that was the solution... but in any
case, it works. Thanks for the help though. :)


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Re: Woody Stable Kernel

[Stephane]

Le Wed, 20 Aug 2003 21:56:17 -0600
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Bob Proulx) a dit:


> > Because the package management does not know of the install kernel.
> 
> Negative.  The package management system *does* know about your
> installed kernel.  And in this case of running the bf24 kernel you
> should be getting an update for it if you are running an older version
> of it.  Note that if you are running a tuned kernel then you won't,
> however.
> 
>   apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4
>   kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4:
> Installed: (none)
> Candidate: 2.4.18-5woody4
> Version Table:
>2.4.18-5woody4 0
>   500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
>2.4.18-5 0
>   500 http://http.us.debian.org stable/main Packages
> 
> If you are running the kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 as your kernel
> version 2.4.18-5 from the woody release then an apt-get upgrade should
> want to upgrade you to version 2.4.18-5woody4 from the security
> archive.

Oh this is very interesting: here is what I get with the policy command (didn't
know about it at all thanks)

ernest:/home/stephane# apt-cache policy kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4
kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4:
  Installed: (none)
  Candidate: 2.4.18-5woody3
  Version Table:
 2.4.18-5woody3 0
500 http://security.debian.org stable/updates/main Packages
 2.4.18-5 0
500 ftp://ftp.skynet.be stable/main Packages
500 ftp://debian.mirrors.easynet.fr stable/main Packages
500 ftp://ftp.proxad.net stable/main Packages


I'm not sure I have a tuned kernel, I juste used a dirty patch to make it 
ptrace-proof. But I'm sure I did this because apt-get wasn't offering me to upgrade
it so it was the case with the vanilla kernel.

> If you have installed a tuned kernel then you won't be get a prompt
> from 'apt-get upgrade'.  DSA-311-1 and others provide the answer.
> 
>   If you are using the kernel installed by the installation system when
>   the "bf24" option is selected (for a 2.4.x kernel), you should install
>   the kernel-image-2.4.18-bf2.4 package.  

I installed a kernel image once, but it seems it comes with different options
from the base kernel at least that is what I thought because the net connection
wasn't working anymore and I had a lot of modules errors at boot. I can't tell you 
enough details so I know this is somewhat useless, but I thought that since
kernel image wasn't using the modules I need, I'd better to recompile a kernel
myself, grabbing it straight from ftp.kernel.org

This is not the solution I prefer though: since I'm glad and satisfied of my Debian
I'd love to stick with it's tools. I prefer to compile a kernel the Debian way for
instance. Unfortunately, the more documentation I read the more I understand that
there are many things you can do the debian way (which is cool) but I don't find
*the* documentation explaining what I need *in short* (which is rather understandable)
and don't have enough time for all the theory. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining:
the problem is only on my side and I realise this, but I'd love to find documentations 
going deeper than the make kpkg stuff and explaining how to deal with the kernel
images , the sources, apt and so on to be able to upgrade right out of the box to the
most secured kernel in no time. I can do it manually, doing it the Debian way would
be a real improvment.

I
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Bob

It does tremendously Bob: you show me the light, I'll have to dig about this very very 
soon.

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Backup mail server?

[Bengt Thure'e]

Hej,

I am thinking of creating my own mailserver, but I have
one problem which I would like to get some advice for how
to solve.
What I am planning:
---
Configure a mailserver which will have pop/imap as well as
web mail access. Users will be my family and some friends.
Problem - small
---
Can I configure a backup mail server somewhere, just in case
this one crashes? Or is it not needed, since mail will be resend?
Problem - Big
-
I will be without computers for a month or two, and consequently
no mail server for that time. Any suggestion for a solution?
Tentativ solution
-
My brother has a fixed IP address, but he is not a linux guy.
I am considering asking him to install a plain debian installation,
and then SSH to the box and configure it to be a backup mail
server, to forward mails to the main server every 2 hours or so.
And possible to activate pop/imap web access for the mails if
the main server have long term problems.
Any comments or suggestions?

Thanks in advance

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Re: exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or Howto move from exim 3.35 to 4.2

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 19:30, Ivan Wills wrote:
> Hi
> I need to implement mail filters for attachments with dangerous file 
> extensions in exim.
> Does any one know how to do this with the version of exim 3.35 which 
> comes with Debian Woody?
> How hard is it to move exim to version 4.2x under Debian Woody? (Do any 
> deb's exist for Woody?)

mimedefang


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Re: WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin recommended packages

[Ron Johnson]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 18:46, John Stevenson wrote:
> >
> >
> >>On Tuesday 19 August 2003 04:05 pm, Antonio Rodr wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>What are the recommended packages for proper recognition and
> >>>functioning of a WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin hard disk? Planning
> >>>to install woody in it.
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Disks are more of a bios or kernel issue, most kernels by default are 
> >>setup to handle atapi drives. That said I like to have hwtools &
> >>hdparm installed on IDE systems.
> >>
> The only things that will stop Linux from recognising your hard drive in 
> full are:
> 
> 1) The Bios
> 2) The IDE controller
> 3) Using older software versions
> 
> You should be able to flash your bios if it does not support large 
> drives, check the website for your motherboard.  While you are there, 
> check that your IDE controllers will support large drives.  
> 
> If your computer is over a year old, you may find that you can upgrade 
> your bios, but cannot do anything about your IDE controller.  In that 
> case, upgrade your bios and use a seperate controller card that does 
> support large drives.
> 
> So long as you use a recent kernel (I suggest 2.4.20) then you should 
> not have any problems seeing the full disk once the hardware is sorted out.

Even if the BIOS setup screen does not show you more than 137GB,
a new enough kernel and EIDE controller will give you 160GB.

Of course, as John says, if your mobo is more than ~1 year old,
you may need to get a PCI controller.

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exim questions: Filtering extensitons with version 3.35 or How tomove from exim 3.35 to 4.2

[Ivan Wills]

Hi
I need to implement mail filters for attachments with dangerous file 
extensions in exim.
Does any one know how to do this with the version of exim 3.35 which 
comes with Debian Woody?
How hard is it to move exim to version 4.2x under Debian Woody? (Do any 
deb's exist for Woody?)

Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks
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Re: Setting up the parport

[Wayne Gemmell]

>
>   parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [SPP,PS2]
>   lp0: using parport0 (polling).
hmmm pity, I was hoping that I'd missed another easy fix that is hard to find 
that would put me out of my missery *yawn* I'll try again tomorrow..
Thanks for the input.


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Re: WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin recommended packages

[John Stevenson]

On Tuesday 19 August 2003 04:05 pm, Antonio Rodr wrote:
   

What are the recommended packages for proper recognition and
functioning of a WD internal eide160 gb 40-pin hard disk? Planning
to install woody in it.
 

Disks are more of a bios or kernel issue, most kernels by default are 
setup to handle atapi drives. That said I like to have hwtools &
hdparm installed on IDE systems.

The only things that will stop Linux from recognising your hard drive in 
full are:

1) The Bios
2) The IDE controller
3) Using older software versions
You should be able to flash your bios if it does not support large 
drives, check the website for your motherboard.  While you are there, 
check that your IDE controllers will support large drives.  

If your computer is over a year old, you may find that you can upgrade 
your bios, but cannot do anything about your IDE controller.  In that 
case, upgrade your bios and use a seperate controller card that does 
support large drives.

So long as you use a recent kernel (I suggest 2.4.20) then you should 
not have any problems seeing the full disk once the hardware is sorted out.

Johnny.

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Re: Setting up the parport

[Michael Heironimus]

On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 01:25:23AM +0200, Wayne Gemmell wrote:
> Yup, i've been there but I didn't see anything dealing this close to the 
> hardware. Its all about CUPS and GS but it doen;t seem to touch on setting up 
> parport.

There isn't really much to set up most of the time. Either it finds a
parallel port and it'll work, or it doesn't find one and it won't. All I
get in dmesg on my print server is:

  parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [SPP,PS2]
  lp0: using parport0 (polling).

The parport0 line says what kind of parallel port it found, and the lp0
line says that /dev/lp0 is using parport0.

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SOLVED: Re: startx fails - PAM problem?

[Anita Lewis]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 06:55:27AM -0400, Anita Lewis wrote:
> I just installed debian on another partition. I have Sarge going on one
> partition, but am starting from scratch for learning purposes - and to make
> proper notes this time.
> 
> xdm started right up and I could login as root and user (ajlewis2) Then I
> decided to mount my /home partition and use that.  I deleted ajlewis2 and
> added it again using the same uid I have on Sarge.  All is well and I can
> login as ajlewis2 at console, but not with X.  It looks like there is a
> problem with authenticating.
> 
> I tried deleting and adding the user again after mounting /home, but that
> didn't work either.  After umounting /home and trying to use X with
> ajlewis2, it no longer works either.  
> 
> I tried making a new user and that one can use X just fine.
> 
> Any suggestions how I might use my /home partition on both installs of
> Debian and be able to use X on both as well. 
> 
> Thanks,
> Anita

Well, shoot.  It had nothing to do with .Xauthority or PAM.  I had .xsession
set to start icewm-gnome and the new install didn't have it installed.  I
changed it to start icewm and it works just fine.  The light went on after
I had been at work a little while today.  For some reason I was just running
though in my mind the process when X starts and the answer came.

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Re: Really Stuck (nvidia drivers, X11 problem ???)

[Alvin Oga]

hi ya

for nvidia X11 problems .. use the latest drivers from nvidia download
section  ( drm and glx is merged into one tarball in the newer drivers )

and some notes and head scratcher test files we played with
http://www.Linux-1U.net/MotherBoard/X11.nvidia/

c ya
alvin


On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Michael Bonert wrote:

> I am really stuck on the nvidia drivers install and am starting to wonder
> whether I need a kernel upgrade (which I don't know how to do).
> 
> I think the nvidia driver I built is choking.
> When I 'startx' I get a blank screen.  The last thing I see in 'XFree86.0.log' is:
> -
> (--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 04.25.00.30.00
> -
> (full log at end)


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Re: Setting up the parport

[Wayne Gemmell]

> Have you been to:
> http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C
>
> It www.linuxprinting.org should always be the first stop when
> buying/installing a printer.

Yup, i've been there but I didn't see anything dealing this close to the 
hardware. Its all about CUPS and GS but it doen;t seem to touch on setting up 
parport.


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Re: ISA network cards

[Erik Steffl]

jleclair wrote:
I'm trying to set up an old 486 as router/nat/firewall server for home network. The 2 nics are dlink 220 isa. 
When I run modconf, I choose the NE net module with this parameter: 
   io=0x300
This works and the module loads for eth0. How do I load the module now for the second nic?
I dont know the io address of the 2nd nic and the module will only load once. I guess I could do something like:  io=0x240,0x300 when loading the module through modconf.
BTW, I guessed at the io address that DID respond and have since unloaded the module and tried every other io address to make the second nic work. Are there tools to probe for hardware responding on io addresses not listed  
in /etc/proc?
...

  I think you need isapnptools

	erik

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Re: /etc/rc.boot

[Carlos Sousa]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:55:13 +0200 martin f krafft wrote:
> /etc/init.d/rcS says that /etc/rc.boot is run only for
> compatibility. What's the Debian standard for rc.local/rc.boot now?
> Please don't make me write init.d scripts for every single line
> I need.
> 
> /etc/inittab and /etc/cron.d:@reboot are not really options...

What's wrong with /etc/rcS.d ? Just put a script there, or a symlink to
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Re: bonnie++: disastrous RAID 1/5 results

[Juri Haberland]

martin f krafft wrote:
> also sprach Juri Haberland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.08.21.1605 +0200]:

>> Well, I don't know about ext3, but my RAID5 device, which I created
>> without any special commandline parameters, looks like this:
>> 
>> md7 : active raid5 hdg9[2] hde1[1] hda9[0]
>>   160086272 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/3] [UUU]
> 
> How'd you make it? What does your /etc/raidtab look like?

Urm, actually I don't have a raidtab, because I used mdadm:

mdadm -C /dev/md7 -l 5 -n 3 /dev/hda9 /dev/hde1 /dev/hdg9
mkfs.ext3 /dev/md7

Possibly mdadm has other defaults than the raid-tools.
Generally I recommend to use mdadm, because it is more flexible and
actively maintained by Neil Brown, the Linux SoftwareRAID guy.

Cheers,
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Re: Setting up the parport

[Stefan Waidele jun.]

Wayne Gemmell wrote:
Hi all
[...]
the last thing I 
need to do is to get printing to work. I've been battling to get cups working 
for a while now and I came across something on the net that makes me think 
that I'm looking in the wron places. 
Have you been to:
http://www.linuxprinting.org/show_printer.cgi?recnum=HP-DeskJet_710C
It www.linuxprinting.org should always be the first stop when 
buying/installing a printer.

HTH,

Stefan

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Re: ISA network cards

[mess-mate]

Hi,
On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 12:36:35 -0300
jleclair <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

|
|I'm trying to set up an old 486 as router/nat/firewall server for home network. The 2 
nics are dlink 220 isa. 
|When I run modconf, I choose the NE net module with this parameter: 
|   io=0x300
|This works and the module loads for eth0. How do I load the module now for the second 
nic?
|I dont know the io address of the 2nd nic and the module will only load once. I guess 
I could do something like:  io=0x240,0x300 when loading the module through modconf.
|BTW, I guessed at the io address that DID respond and have since unloaded the module 
and tried every other io address to make the second nic work. Are there tools to probe 
for hardware responding on io addresses not listed  
|in /etc/proc?
|I know this is all quite vague, but I am completely PCI plug-n-play spoiled.
|Thanks for any assistance!
|James 
   
   
   
If they are isa then (informatical) you need 'isapnptools' and to 
do a isapnp dump.
Then a config of  /etc/isapnp.conf is needed. There you chose the irq and the io(s) 
of your cards. (uncomment these lines)
The isapnptools must be started at boot of course.
The rest is a config of your cards as eth0 and eth1.
   mess-mate   
 


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Re: Gnome2.2 backport and XFree86 4.3 on woody [was R:e XFree864.3 in Woody]

[James Strandboge]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 20:38, Michael Bennett Cohn wrote:
> On 21 Aug 2003 09:07:39 -0400
> James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > The main way I advertised the backport was through this list and
> > debianplanet.org.  Both of those have these instructions.  As for
> > others, I would like them to have proper instructions, but there isn't
> > much I can do.
> 
> Here are the instructions you posted earlier in this thread: 
> 
> apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
> apt-get install gnome-core
> and optionally:
> apt-get install gnome gnome-fifth-toe gdm
> 
> Here are the instructions from your post that is linked to the announcement at 
> debian planet:
> 
> apt-get update
> apt-get install gnome-core gdm gtk2-engines*
> For the gnome2.2 development packages, you can do:
> apt-get install gnome-core-devel
> And to pull in various other pieces of gnome software, do:
> apt-get install gnome
> ...You can optionally do an 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' which will pull in
> all the development support packages that were needed to compile these
> (eg backported automake, debconf, etc).
> 

When that was posted on debianplanet, xfree86 was not part of of my
backport.  After it was, I let people know via the list.  I am not sure
what you are trying to accomplish here, but I have submitted another
article to debianplanet, and when it goes through, I will ask gnome.org
to update their link for getting gnome on debian.


> So, as a user of Woody who was becoming part of this via a backport (already 
> somewhere 

> between stable and unstable in Debian terms), I was having trouble sorting out the 
> relationship 

> between what I was capable of using on my system and what the Fifth Toe project 
> considers stable 

> (in Gnome terms). Plus, if the Fifth Toe is going to have monthly releases, did that 
> then mean 

> that with this Fifth Toe backport, I would be able to download and use next month's 
> Fifth Toe

>  releases? Would they be cycled into the Fifth Toe backport server? After some 
> searching today, 

> I found 
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/debian-gtk-gnome-200304/msg00170.html
> which clarified things somewhat, though it doesn't completely clarify the issue. Of 
> course it's 

> at your discretion which packages you want to backport; I just want to be clear on 
> what the

>  backport can do and what it can't do.

No, as I said, I don't follow sid (and by extension fifth toe) from
release to release.  With the backport you now have everything you need
to compile bleeding edge gnome2 and gtk2 applications all you want.  I
try to keep the backport as stable as possible, and not introduce a
whole lot of new stuff.  I did not backport all of fifth toe, nor do I
track for each new change-- it moves too quickly, as does sid.

The general idea for gnome-core is to use the packages found from
released gnome (gnome.org-- now at 2.2), and updating only the packages
with significant bugfixes.  For gnome-fifth-toe and the other apps, you
get relatively new software that works.  If you want more than that,
there is sid.


> In each case, aptitude told me I already 

> had the package in question, and then offered to remove others. Do you know why?
> 

> The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
>   kdebase-libs kdelibs3 kdelibs3-bin libkonq3 libqt2 

This is aptitude realizing that nothing is using these libraries, it has
nothing to do with evolution or the backport.  KDE from woody can be
installed with the backport without problems.

Jamie

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Re: ISA network cards

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:36:35PM -0300, jleclair wrote:
| 
| I'm trying to set up an old 486 as router/nat/firewall server for
| home network. The 2 nics are dlink 220 isa. 
| When I run modconf, I choose the NE net module with this parameter: 
|io=0x300
| This works and the module loads for eth0. How do I load the module
| now for the second nic?

I have a 486 with 2 Netgear EA211 cards in it.  They're also an 'ne'
clone.  I have the following in /etc/modutils/local.conf

alias eth0 ne
alias eth1 ne
options ne io=0x300,0x320

(after editing a file in /etc/modutils run 'update-modules')
This is all that I need.

| I dont know the io address of the 2nd nic

You need to find this out.  ISA isn't so friendly when it comes to
auto-probing.

| and the module will only
| load once. I guess I could do something like:  io=0x240,0x300 when
| loading the module through modconf.

That would probably work, if the addresses are correct, because that's
the same syntax I have in my config file.

| BTW, I guessed at the io address that DID respond and have since
| unloaded the module and tried every other io address to make the
| second nic work. Are there tools to probe for hardware responding on
| io addresses not listed in /etc/proc?

I think there are some, but I don't have any familiarity with them.
The main issue with such tools is that probing certain ISA devices
will cause the system to lock up.  That's just the way ISA works.
(and one good reason for PCI to have superseded it)

HTH,
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Re: bonnie++: disastrous RAID 1/5 results

[Juri Haberland]

martin f krafft wrote:

> I would still appreciate comments to the following:
> 
>> > Try with the defaults values for chunk size, algorithm and ext3 stride.
>> 
>> Which are? I could not see any.

Did you read my other mail? With defaults I mean that what you get, if
you don't use any special commandline parameters. Though, if you are
concerned about performance, it would be wise to read e.g. the Software
RAID Howto (which talks a bit about chunk size, stride and so
on) and to experiment with these parameters.

>> > Use an external journal for ext3 that is located on a RAID1.
>> 
>> Does this really increase performance if the RAID1 would be on the
>> same disk(s)? I note that RAID1 give absolutely no speed improvement
>> on writes. RAID5 does a little. And journals are more written than
>> read, no?

It wouldn't increase the speed if the RAID1 is on the same disks, but if
you have a different disk set you should see an increase. For very high
performance stuff people put the journal on a battery backed solid state
disk - very expensive though.

Cheers,
Juri


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Re: Unicode: is it safe to use it ?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 01:03, Xavier Maillard wrote:
> Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
--snip--  
> >  I'm pretty sure that most MUA's, M$ and otherwise, already have full
> >  Unicode support. Any MUA that's used anywhere outside of the US would
> >  pretty much HAVE to have it in order to be used seriously. On the off
> >  chance that they don't, however, you don't really have to worry about
> >  it. All regular ASCII characters (i.e. all characters in the English
> >  alphabet) will still show up fine.
> 
> What happen if I type accentuated characters though ? Is it possible to
> mix japanese with english and some french in one message ? How is it
> handled then ?
> 
> In fact I am learning japanese and I have a few friends which I would
> be interested in exchanging words in several language at the same time
> but dunno if it is well supported by their MUA :)

Assuming that the fonts you have installed have all of the applicable
characters, that shouldn't be a problem. I believe that both Katakana
and Hiragana are supported in Unicode so you shouldn't have a problem on
that end. I believe that Kanji is supported as well, but that's a very
long story regarding Chinese-type characters and Unicode that I'll leave
to you to investigate if you're interested.

Assuming you're exchanging messages with friends who have French,
Japanese, and English fonts installed, and that their mailers support
Unicode, you'll obviously have no problem. Assuming that they speak and
write Japanese, French and English like you do, I would certainly hope
that they would have those fonts installed.

If their mailers don't support Unicode, I can't make any guarantees
other than for the standard ASCII characters. I know that in the case of
Cyrillic at least, there appears to be some overlap between Unicode and
ISO encodings so they show up alright most of the time. As far as
Japanese fonts go, I don't know. That much you'll have to discover on
your own.

Good luck. :)
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Re: /etc/rc.boot

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.08.21.1554 +0200]:
> Why not just write a single script, /etc/init.d/local or something,
> which you add to as necessary?

also sprach David Z Maze <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.08.21.1734 +0200]:
> So create a single /etc/init.d/local script, copying

[...]

Because I was actually more wondering why Debian is deprecating
rc.boot. Isn't it useful? I would definitely prefer it...

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Re: bonnie++: disastrous RAID 1/5 results

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Juri Haberland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.08.21.1605 +0200]:
> > Right, but while I had zero dataloss on ext3 filesystems so far,
> > I have been screwed over by reiserfs a couple of times.
> 
> I didn't suggest that you actually *use* reiserfs, but if you're doing
> benchmarks you should do them with the same filesystems, or else your
> numbers are meaningless.

Right.

> > The disk on the fast machine is master to a slave disk.
> > The first disk in the RAID is (unfortunately) master to a slave
> > CD-ROM, which is, however, unused.
> 
> Ok. I just saw, that I could have gathered that information from your
> other mail - sorry about that.

Uh, how? hdb was never mentioned. No problem, I am the one asking
for help here.

> Well, I don't know about ext3, but my RAID5 device, which I created
> without any special commandline parameters, looks like this:
> 
> md7 : active raid5 hdg9[2] hde1[1] hda9[0]
>   160086272 blocks level 5, 64k chunk, algorithm 2 [3/3] [UUU]

How'd you make it? What does your /etc/raidtab look like?

> I'd say, fix your DMA problems and your RAID5 should fly.

You got it!

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Setting up the parport

[Wayne Gemmell]

Hi all

I've been setting up the important things for a while but now I'm getting to 
the wants. I want to break away from windows for good and the last thing I 
need to do is to get printing to work. I've been battling to get cups working 
for a while now and I came across something on the net that makes me think 
that I'm looking in the wron places. A user stated that upon start up dmesg 
displayed the following

 parport0: PC-style at 0x378 (0x778) [PCSPP,TRISTATE,EPP]
 parport0: irq 7 detected
 parport0: faking semi-colon
 parport0: Printer, HEWLETT-PACKARD DESKJET 710C
 lp0: using parport0 (polling).
 
Now for me dmesg shows 

parport0: PC-style at 0x378 [PCSPP(,...)]
lp0: using parport0 (polling).
ppdev: user-space parallel port driver 

I've missed something I think, any ideas??

Wayne


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Re: mozilla vs. mozilla-firebird

[Ed Lawson]

Stefan Waidele jun. wrote:

Thunderbird is for E-Mail,

It is a great E-Mail client.  However, no packages for it in unstable.
At least not under mail and web packages.
Ed Lawson

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Hard Drive Crash Recovery

[Curtis Spencer]

I had a hard drive crash last night on one of my systems.  Fortunately 
only a near empty /home and the swap partition were on that drive so I 
did not lose too much data. 
However, I don't know how to go about remounting the /home directory and 
the swap partition.  Is there any way to mount the /home directory on 
another drive that already has data on it, but is not full?  I would 
prefer not to buy a new drive if I don't have to.  If I have to use 
another drive what are the commands I must do to prepare it for mounting 
/home and a new swap partition on it?

Thanks for all the help,
Curtis
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Re: hot boxes and power consumption

[Pigeon]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 11:19:31PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 04:11:02AM +0100, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 12:33:12PM -0600, Paul E Condon wrote:
> > > > 
> > > Also, Radio Shack sells a "current transformer" which is an add-on device
> > > for their digital multimeter. With the multimeter and the current transformer
> > > you can measure current and voltage on  the AC supply input to the computer.
> > > Or to any other electric device about which you are curious.
> > 
> > ...but this arrangement will only give you a useful reading if the
> > current waveform is sinusoidal. The current drawn by a PC is most
> > definitely not sinusoidal; the rectifiers in the PSU only conduct on
> > the peaks of the voltage waveform, so the current waveform looks like
> > a series of narrow spikes of alternating polarity. The
> > common-or-garden multimeter does not perform a true RMS conversion,
> > and won't give a sensible result on this sort of waveform.
> > 
> > (Also, you have to separate the live and neutral conductors in the
> > power lead so the current transformer can be fitted round one
> > conductor only, which is a pain.)
> > 
> The power consumption values from the current transformer method are 
> very similar to those from watt meters such as Kill a Watt. To me this
> indicates that either both are correct, or both are incorrect, possibly
> because of the impulsive current wave form. 

Interesting... Cynically, I would guess that both devices are using
the same kind of averaging-calibrated-to-read-RMS-with-sinewaves
method and so both give similar errors... OTOH, maybe you have a good
enough multimeter to do true RMS conversion, and if I was designing a
'Kill a Watt' type device I'd use a PIC microcontroller to sample the
voltage and current waveforms and do RMS conversion in software (cf.
your next para), which would keep the hardware very simple. So maybe
both are correct...

> The right way, I think, is
> to examine both current and voltage wave forms with an oscilloscope and
> compute the time average of the product of the two wave forms. And be
> careful to handle the phase relation between to two correctly!

Agreed... and it wouldn't be too hard to knock up an isolating
interface to feed the voltage and current waveforms into a sound card,
and do this all in software.

> (Also, the current transformer includes a gizmo for separating the 
> hot and neutral wires safely.)

Oh, very good. Radio Shack used to trade as Tandy in the UK and were
generally overpriced (especially for components) and of indifferent
quality. I was expecting them to leave their customers to either rip
their mains leads apart or to measure ground loop currents in blissful
ignorance... :-)

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Re: Working around package conflict

[Bob Proulx]

James Steward<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Sorry Bob - that didn't quite work.  I did something like the following;
> mkdir /usr/lib/libkde3
> cp /root/kdelib3/usr/lib/* /usr/lib/libkde3/
> vi /etc/ld.so.conf
> { add the path /usr/lib/libkde3 }
> ldconfig

Ooo.  I would not make that change a global change.  Instead I would
make it a private change just for the application.

File myvericad:
  #!/bin/sh
  export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libkde3
  exec vericad "$@"

Now in that case when you run vericad it gets the old libraries but
this does not affect anything else.  Actually I would call it by the
same name and put it in /usr/local/bin which is ahead of /usr/bin in
PATH and have it do the rest.  That way it behaves the same.

File /usr/local/bin/vericad:
  #!/bin/sh
  export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=/usr/lib/libkde3
  exec /usr/bin/vericad "$@"

> start varicad - runs ok - no SEGV - cool.
> start konqueror - SEGV
> 
> remove the lib path from ld.so.conf and ldconfig, konqueror runs ok now.

This proposal above should solve this problem.

Caveat: Since LD_LIBRARY_PATH is in the environment it will persist
into subshells launched by vericad.  If you shell out of vericad into
a subshell and then launch konqueror you will get the old libs which
cause konqueror to core dump.  So don't do that.  :-)  I don't even
know if you can do that with vericad but just in case.

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Re: Nvidia driver install

[Tim]

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| No it doesnt. Worst case if you down load text files you have to convert
| line endings. Binary downloads are binary. ;)
|
| I can see if you didn't realize that *nix and dos have an incompatible
| opinion on what the end of a line in a text file looks like, but its not
| that the file is incomplete. Its that when you download in ascii mode
| the line end conversion happens automagically (most times).
This file sis_drv.o is

ELF 32-bit LSB relocatable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), not stripped

I made an assumption which am happy to reneg.  I came to that conclusion
when http transfer with Opera/M$, as well as Unix download and POP
transfer to Eudora/M$ both produced an unusable driver, and Unix
download and burning to CD produced a functional one.  But am a noob,
liable to jump to conclusions!
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Re: Debian policy, major change ?

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:56:15PM -0400, Matt Price wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:09:01PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> > On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 04:51:42PM +0200, Stephane wrote:
> > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html
> 
> If the question is, what do people think of having a projected release
> date, I for one quite like it.  Gives me something to look forward.  
> 
> A couple of technical questions about the release: 
> 
> - first of all, is it possible to get one's hands on debian-installer

I think the URL above describes that.

> -- and does it largely work at this point?  I'd love to try it out.  

In Anthony's release plan under "August 19th (now)", he says:

Beta testing of debian-installer by adventurous users
(subscribe to debian-boot, and try CVS or the images at
http://people.debian.org/~tfheen/d-i/images/daily/)

So, if you're "adventurous", go for it.

> - and second: has a decision been made regarding the version of gcc
> that sarge will be compiled with?

Whatever version is in sarge, which is 3.3 at the moment. However, this
of course all depends on what happened to be on maintainers' machines
and build daemons when the most recent version of each package was
built.

> Is this question related to the delays in getting gnome2.2 and kde 3.1
> in sarge (referred to earlier by Colin, whose mail I accidentally
> deleted)?

Not really, no. That's more a question of complicated library
transitions at the moment: for example, pilot-link's library has changed
its package name, and both GNOME and KDE use it, so core bits of both
GNOME and KDE will have to be ready for testing at the same time in
order for either to be upgraded. Quite a lot of attention is being paid
to this sort of thing at the moment, though.

(Also, glibc 2.3.2 is currently holding up more or less everything, and
fixing it is a very high priority.)

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Re: bonnie++: disastrous RAID 1/5 results

[martin f krafft]

also sprach martin f krafft <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003.08.21.1254 +0200]:
> > Do all disks have DMA turned on?
> 
> This might be the problem. I turn DMA on, always, in /etc/inittab.
> But it doesn't work. Check this:
> 
> ailab:~# hdparm -d1 /dev/hda
> 
> /dev/hda:
>  setting using_dma to 1 (on)
>  HDIO_SET_DMA failed: Operation not permitted
>  using_dma=  0 (off)

This was the problem, I had compiled the kernel for the wrong
chipset. Now it's fixed, now I have DMA, and now I get about 170% of
the read performance of the previously fast system. Write
performance dropped to about 99.7%. Cool.

I would still appreciate comments to the following:

> > Try with the defaults values for chunk size, algorithm and ext3 stride.
> 
> Which are? I could not see any.
> 
> > Use an external journal for ext3 that is located on a RAID1.
> 
> Does this really increase performance if the RAID1 would be on the
> same disk(s)? I note that RAID1 give absolutely no speed improvement
> on writes. RAID5 does a little. And journals are more written than
> read, no?

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Re: Re: Text editors, and email clients won't word wrap.

[khurram]

Well, i tried to use Netscape 7.1 mail client and the same thing
happens.  No word wrap even though 'wrap at 72' is selected. I changed
to 82 and still the same thing.  And to answer your previous question, I
had completely reformated my linux partitions when i installed Debian. 
Redhat was wiped out.


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Really Stuck (nvidia drivers, X11 problem ???)

[Michael Bonert]

I am really stuck on the nvidia drivers install and am starting to wonder
whether I need a kernel upgrade (which I don't know how to do).

I think the nvidia driver I built is choking.
When I 'startx' I get a blank screen.  The last thing I see in 'XFree86.0.log' is:
-
(--) NVIDIA(0): VideoBIOS: 04.25.00.30.00
-
(full log at end)


If I run 'X' as root (which as I understand it is somewhat similar to 'startx'):
I get the following:
-
Script started on Wed Aug 20 23:14:27 2003
stokes:/home/michael# X

This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted
to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
(http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs)

XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-9 20030630175526 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X Window 
System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF]
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Aug 20 23:14:31 2003
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
Segmentation fault

stokes:/home/michael# exit
Script done on Wed Aug 20 23:19:53 2003
-

Does it matter that X was compiled with the 2.4.21 kernel?
Does it matter that X was compiled for the i686 arch?

I'm currently using the out-of-the-box 2.4.18
---
$ /proc/version
Linux version 2.4.18-bf2.4 ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian 
prerelease)) #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002
---


I've checked whether the module is loading, made the required changes to the 
XF86Config-4
and have satisfied the required dependencies.

The build of 'nvidia-kernel-_1.0.4496-2_i386.deb' seems to be okay.  I have attached 
the output from the build process (it doesn't appear there are any errors and I don't 
see any warnings).

More background (in previous posts) is here:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg02315.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg02801.html
http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2003/debian-user-200308/msg03273.html


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XFree86.0.log
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This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
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to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
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XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-9 20030630175526 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X Window 
System
(protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600)
Release Date: 18 October 2002
If the server is older than 6-12 months, or if your card is
newer than the above date, look for a newer version before
reporting problems.  (See http://www.XFree86.Org/)
Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.21-rc1-ac1-cryptoloop i686 [ELF]
Module Loader present
Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
 (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
 (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
(==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Wed Aug 20 23:08:34 2003
(==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
(==) ServerLayout "Default Layout"
(**) |-->Screen "Default Screen" (0)
(**) |   |-->Monitor "Generic Monitor"
(**) |   |-->Device "NVIDIA GeForce 4"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Keyboard"
(**) Option "XkbRules" "xfree86"
(**) XKB: rules: "xfree86"
(**) Option "XkbModel" "pc104"
(**) XKB: model: "pc104"
(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"
(==) Keyboard: CustomKeycode disabled
(**) |-->Input Device "Configured Mouse"
(**) |-->Input Device "Generic Mouse"
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(WW) The directory "/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic" does not exist.
Entry deleted from font path.
(**) FontPath set to 
"unix/:7100,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi,/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi"
(==) RgbPath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb"
(==) ModulePath set to "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules"
(--) using VT number 7

(WW) Open APM failed (/dev/apm_bios) (No such file or directory)
(II) Module ABI versions:
XFree86 ANSI C Emulation: 0.1
XFree86 Video Driver: 0.5
XFree86 XInput driver : 0.3
XFree86 Server Extension : 0.1
XFree86 Font Renderer : 0.3
(II) Loader running on 

Re: Re: Text editors, and email clients won't word wrap.

[khurram]

thanks for replying.

I installed the mozilla news package from unstable but i have no idea
how to start it.  I tried mozilla -mail and that didn't work.  The
executalbe mozilla is pointing to mozilla-firebird, does that matter?

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Re: Nvidia driver install

[Mental Patient]

Tim wrote:
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| Good day! I have a problem installing the nvidia
| drivers which i downloaded. Im running a Debian Woody
| box on a Athlon 2100 ,Asus A7N266 vm mobo,geforce2
| mx400. Im dual booting it with WinXP. I downloaded the
| driver from another machine with windows coz im not
Downloading with M$ often leads to incomplete files-you should try to
obtain a complete download using a more reliable OS.
experienced this myself when trying to get the SiS630 driver.
No it doesnt. Worst case if you down load text files you have to convert 
line endings. Binary downloads are binary. ;)

I can see if you didn't realize that *nix and dos have an incompatible 
opinion on what the end of a line in a text file looks like, but its not 
that the file is incomplete. Its that when you download in ascii mode 
the line end conversion happens automagically (most times).

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Re: Unicode: is it safe to use it ?

[Xavier Maillard]

Alex Malinovich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 00:59, Xavier Maillard wrote:
>  --snip--
> >  Hmm, would you mind expanding on how you did set it globally ? I am
> >  quite interested even though it is not my main problem for
> >  instance.
>  
>  Quite simple actually. 'dpkg-reconfigure locales'
>  
>  Personally, I use en_US.UTF8, sr_YU.UTF8, [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Yep got it ;)
  
>  If you like strictly numeric time/date displays, that's all that's
>  needed. I prefer to have the date shown with full names of months, so
>  I have LC_TIME set to 'C' in my .bashrc.

That's fine.
  
> > >  problems I have are when using a plain (i.e. not xterm) console,
> > >  some characters don't display correctly. But for communication
> > >  with others, I've never had a problem.
> >  
> >  That's ok for me. But are M$ MUA and others (i.e. Eudora and things
> >  like that) ready to deal with Unicode yet ? Actually I don't really
> >  want not to be understand by a M$ user (I have dozen friends of
> >  mine under the dark side of the Force ;)).
>  
>  I'm pretty sure that most MUA's, M$ and otherwise, already have full
>  Unicode support. Any MUA that's used anywhere outside of the US would
>  pretty much HAVE to have it in order to be used seriously. On the off
>  chance that they don't, however, you don't really have to worry about
>  it. All regular ASCII characters (i.e. all characters in the English
>  alphabet) will still show up fine.

What happen if I type accentuated characters though ? Is it possible to
mix japanese with english and some french in one message ? How is it
handled then ?

In fact I am learning japanese and I have a few friends which I would
be interested in exchanging words in several language at the same time
but dunno if it is well supported by their MUA :)

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Help with wireless products

[Michael Ward Cole]

I tried the D-Link dwl650+ which didn't have a driver for linux.  Then I 
tried the Linksys wpc11 ver4 but there is no driver for this either. 
What wireless network card works with linux?  Is orinoco now Proxim?
Later,
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ISA network cards

[jleclair]

I'm trying to set up an old 486 as router/nat/firewall server for home network. The 2 
nics are dlink 220 isa. 
When I run modconf, I choose the NE net module with this parameter: 
   io=0x300
This works and the module loads for eth0. How do I load the module now for the second 
nic?
I dont know the io address of the 2nd nic and the module will only load once. I guess 
I could do something like:  io=0x240,0x300 when loading the module through modconf.
BTW, I guessed at the io address that DID respond and have since unloaded the module 
and tried every other io address to make the second nic work. Are there tools to probe 
for hardware responding on io addresses not listed  
in /etc/proc?
I know this is all quite vague, but I am completely PCI plug-n-play spoiled.
Thanks for any assistance!
James  
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
  


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RE: PCI Wireless NIC question.

[Percival, Ray]

Yup I just got back from the store with a brand new MA311. :) So from your
post I assume that yours works well. :)

-Original Message-
From: Jeremy T. Bouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 12:56 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: Re: PCI Wireless NIC question.


On a recent trip to Frys, armed with a print-out of the
"supported cards" from the linux-wlan project, I found the only PCI
based wifi card still with a supported chipset was the Netgear MA311
which still uses the prism2 chipset... I later confirmed this by
contacting Netgear and pointedly asking them regarding the chipset of
the card... The early DWL-520 were prism2 chipsets but not the newer
revisions or the 520+... LinkSys WMP11 is now a BCM4301 and many others
have switched to the Broadcom chipset which there is still no driver
support for... Much like the support for Centrino...

Regards,
Jeremy

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:03:50AM -0700, Percival, Ray wrote:
> I recently decided to go wireless at home. I bought a Dlink dwl-520
thinking
> it was a prisim2 chipset. Well it turned out that when I got it it is not
a
> prisim2 but rather a realtek.
> 
> No problem they seem to have drivers.
>
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?software=True&compamod
> el=RTL8180L#2002121Unix%20(Linux)
> 
> So after looking at the drivers and playing with the Makefile for a bit I
> get them to compile well. Insmod well and the driver shows up when I do
> lsmod. I then did this.
> 
> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
>   ifconfig wlan0 up
>   route add default gateway 192.168.1.1
> 
> ifconfig shows wlan0 as up and all looks well. When I attempt to ping
> 192.168.1.1 I get no response and after playing with it for some time I
> notice that everytime I try to ping out the wlan0 that the loopback
> interface's tx and rx are incrementing. I have confirmed that there is a
> route for 192.168.1.0 using wlan0 as it's interface and when I down wlan0
I
> get hardware errors when trying to ping 192.168.1.1 just like I would
expect
> with a wired card. 
> 
> I'm at wits end and have read everything I can find and none of it seems
to
> be working. Also just as a another datum pump -i wlan0 fails also. 
> 
> Thanks for any help. 
> 
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kernel patch resolved bug but can't find it

[A. Loonstra]

I was trying to patch my kernel 2.4.18(latest) using kernel-package but 
it didn't work. According to this bug:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?archive=no&bug=143198

There should be a new version of grsecurity patch. But I can only get 
version 1.9.4-1.

This is what it says when i try to run make-kpkg

Testing whether Greater Security for Linux 2.4.x patch for 2.4.18 
applies (dry run):
1 out of 1 hunk FAILED -- saving rejects to file fs/proc/proc_tty.c.rej
1 out of 11 hunks FAILED -- saving rejects to file include/linux/sched.h.rej
Greater Security for Linux 2.4.x patch for 2.4.18 does not apply cleanly

Any clues what's going wrong?

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Re: PCI Wireless NIC question.

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

On a recent trip to Frys, armed with a print-out of the
"supported cards" from the linux-wlan project, I found the only PCI
based wifi card still with a supported chipset was the Netgear MA311
which still uses the prism2 chipset... I later confirmed this by
contacting Netgear and pointedly asking them regarding the chipset of
the card... The early DWL-520 were prism2 chipsets but not the newer
revisions or the 520+... LinkSys WMP11 is now a BCM4301 and many others
have switched to the Broadcom chipset which there is still no driver
support for... Much like the support for Centrino...

Regards,
Jeremy

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 08:03:50AM -0700, Percival, Ray wrote:
> I recently decided to go wireless at home. I bought a Dlink dwl-520 thinking
> it was a prisim2 chipset. Well it turned out that when I got it it is not a
> prisim2 but rather a realtek.
> 
> No problem they seem to have drivers.
> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?software=True&compamod
> el=RTL8180L#2002121Unix%20(Linux)
> 
> So after looking at the drivers and playing with the Makefile for a bit I
> get them to compile well. Insmod well and the driver shows up when I do
> lsmod. I then did this.
> 
> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
>   ifconfig wlan0 up
>   route add default gateway 192.168.1.1
> 
> ifconfig shows wlan0 as up and all looks well. When I attempt to ping
> 192.168.1.1 I get no response and after playing with it for some time I
> notice that everytime I try to ping out the wlan0 that the loopback
> interface's tx and rx are incrementing. I have confirmed that there is a
> route for 192.168.1.0 using wlan0 as it's interface and when I down wlan0 I
> get hardware errors when trying to ping 192.168.1.1 just like I would expect
> with a wired card. 
> 
> I'm at wits end and have read everything I can find and none of it seems to
> be working. Also just as a another datum pump -i wlan0 fails also. 
> 
> Thanks for any help. 
> 
> 
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Re: Autodetection and configuring of devices! Need advice

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:25:28 +0200, 
"Joakim Nordberg" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
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> Hi ppl,
> 
> I'm currently runnig a small distribution meant for terminal services,
> like, X, Citrix, RDP and VNC. Which is installable on a disc with just
> dd, which makes it very easy to deploy on hundreds of machines during
> a day.

..a port of damnsmalllinux.org???  

> For the moment i'm running on Sarge together with tools from Knoppix
> like hwsetup and mkxf86config which are really nice. And it works like
> a dream!
> 
> But I would like to run it on Woody since Sarge updates too often,
> -but the Knoppix tools runs only on Sarge or Sid. Got the picture?

..maybe, url to what you have?
 
> Are there other tools I could use?
> Discover for all hardware, -but
> What should I use for X
> What should I use for Mouse?

..damnsmalllinux uses Xvesa and Xfb, and a sweet menu to build X config.

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Re: Totem won't start

[James Strandboge]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 09:59, Michael Gabilondo wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 23:32, James Strandboge wrote:
> > Disable esd with 'esdctl off'.
> 
> I had to install esound-clients to get that program. I ran it, but it
> didn't seem to do anything... totem still won't start.

There is also a bug in xfree86 that apparently isn't fixed in sid yet. 
See:

http://bugs.xfree86.org/show_bug.cgi?id=260

Patch attached.  This patch (taken from the above link and adapted for
use with debian) works with xfree86 4.2.1-3 in my backport.  Hopefully
this patch will be integrated into sid soon (I am not sure xfree86 4.3
has the fix yet either).

Jamie

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I will be out of the office until Monday, August 25th.  

 

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Re: /etc/rc.boot

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 12:55:13PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
> /etc/init.d/rcS says that /etc/rc.boot is run only for
> compatibility. What's the Debian standard for rc.local/rc.boot now?
> Please don't make me write init.d scripts for every single line
> I need.

Why not just write a single script, /etc/init.d/local or something,
which you add to as necessary?

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Re: mozilla vs. mozilla-firebird

[Stefan Waidele jun.]

John Stevenson wrote:
[...]
In my experience this is normal for debian packages of Netscape and 
Mozilla packages under debian.  It can be useful, but it can also be a 
right pain.  I would like to run Mozilla (for email) and Mozilla 
firebird (web browsing), 
Thunderbird is for E-Mail, and Firebird is for browsing.

You should not need Mozilla if you have those two.

Stefan

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Re: rms on debian

[Bijan Soleymani]

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On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:21:50AM +0200, Ismael Valladolid Torres wrote:
> El mi?rcoles, 20 de agosto de 2003, a las 18:32, Greg Folkert escribe:
> > But you have to go to the "Department of Redundancy Department" Window
> > to get the Reprint first.
>=20
> This reminds me of that gag in one of Marx Bros' films, that contract
> whose first clause was referring to the first clause itself. I only
> know the text of that gag in spanish, that is a classic joke we
> spaniards who hate bureaucracy love! I would be very grateful if
> somebody wrote me the original joke text in english!

This is further offtopic. There's an excellent movie that's called death
of a bureaucrat. I believe the film is Cuban but I could be wrong
(the movie is set in Cuba). It's one of the funniest movies I've ever
seen, and I was watching it with English subtitles.

Bijan


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RE: PCI Wireless NIC question.

[Percival, Ray]

No + made sure of that when ordering. I'll try iwconfig. In any case I'm
thinking about sending it back and getting another one does any one know of
a cheap pci wireless NIC that has good driver support?

-Original Message-
From: Arnt Karlsen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2003 10:36 AM
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Subject: Re: PCI Wireless NIC question.


On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:03:50 -0700, 
"Percival, Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I recently decided to go wireless at home. I bought a Dlink dwl-520 

..'DWL-520' or 'DWL-520+' ???  That damned "+" makes one _hell_ of a 
difference, it uses an ACX-100 chip, details in http://acx100.sf.net/

> thinking it was a prisim2 chipset. Well it turned out that when I got
> it it is not a prisim2 but rather a realtek.
> 
> No problem they seem to have drivers.

..competence problem, on the part of the part of the chip maker, 
D-Link promised a linux driver "in a month or 3" a year ago, and 
they have given up TI, if it is the "+" you're talking about.

>
http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?software=True&compamod
> el=RTL8180L#2002121Unix%20(Linux)
> 
> So after looking at the drivers and playing with the Makefile for a
> bit I get them to compile well. Insmod well and the driver shows up
> when I do lsmod. I then did this.
> 
> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
>   ifconfig wlan0 up
>   route add default gateway 192.168.1.1

..huh???  'lsmod && uname -a'???

> ifconfig shows wlan0 as up and all looks well. When I attempt to ping
> 192.168.1.1 I get no response and after playing with it for some time
> I notice that everytime I try to ping out the wlan0 that the loopback
> interface's tx and rx are incrementing. I have confirmed that there is
> a route for 192.168.1.0 using wlan0 as it's interface and when I down
> wlan0 I get hardware errors when trying to ping 192.168.1.1 just like
> I would expect with a wired card. 
> 
> I'm at wits end and have read everything I can find and none of it
> seems to be working. Also just as a another datum pump -i wlan0 fails
> also. 
> 
> Thanks for any help. 

..play with 'iwconfig --help', 'man|info iwconfig'.

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Re: Gnome2.2 backport and XFree86 4.3 on woody [was R:e XFree86 4.3 in Woody]

[Michael Bennett Cohn]

On 21 Aug 2003 09:07:39 -0400
James Strandboge <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > 
> The main way I advertised the backport was through this list and
> debianplanet.org.  Both of those have these instructions.  As for
> others, I would like them to have proper instructions, but there isn't
> much I can do.

Here are the instructions you posted earlier in this thread: 

apt-get update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade
apt-get install gnome-core
and optionally:
apt-get install gnome gnome-fifth-toe gdm

Here are the instructions from your post that is linked to the announcement at debian 
planet:

apt-get update
apt-get install gnome-core gdm gtk2-engines*
For the gnome2.2 development packages, you can do:
apt-get install gnome-core-devel
And to pull in various other pieces of gnome software, do:
apt-get install gnome
...You can optionally do an 'apt-get -u dist-upgrade' which will pull in
all the development support packages that were needed to compile these
(eg backported automake, debconf, etc).


Are those sets of instructions functionally the same? 

> [Fifth Toe]is a collection of packages.  I backport
> what is interesting to me (as maintainer, I have that right), and what
> others bring to my attention that I think won't hurt anything and be
> beneficial to others.  I maintain security updates, and often point
> releases.  I do NOT follow sid release for release though-- unless there
> is a bug fix. 

Not being subscribed to either of these lists until the beginning of this 
conversation, my education on the subject of Fifth Toe began when I saw the following 
(optional) line in your instructions:

apt-get install gnome gnome-fifth-toe gdm

I didn't know what Fifth Toe was. I went to http://5toe.lyrical.net/ and saw: 

"Fifth Toe is a selective collection of applications that use GNOME technologies. All 
the applications in a Fifth Toe release are stable, maintained, and conform to the 
GNOME Human Interface Guide ( HIG )...The Fifth Toe release is a periodic release of 
the applications that have The Fifth Toe release team is attempting to move closer to 
a monthly release cycle." (sic)

So, as a user of Woody who was becoming part of this via a backport (already somewhere 
between stable and unstable in Debian terms), I was having trouble sorting out the 
relationship between what I was capable of using on my system and what the Fifth Toe 
project considers stable (in Gnome terms). Plus, if the Fifth Toe is going to have 
monthly releases, did that then mean that with this Fifth Toe backport, I would be 
able to download and use next month's Fifth Toe releases? Would they be cycled into 
the Fifth Toe backport server? After some searching today, I found 
http://lists.debian.org/debian-gtk-gnome/2003/debian-gtk-gnome-200304/msg00170.html
which clarified things somewhat, though it doesn't completely clarify the issue. Of 
course it's at your discretion which packages you want to backport; I just want to be 
clear on what the backport can do and what it can't do.
 

 
> 
> > and certain widgets 
> 
> > within the sylpheed configuration GUI do not respond properly do mouse clicks. 
> 
> 
> Can you be more specific?  I just tested darn near every widget and it
> works fine here.
>
I was talking about the arrows in the configure filter settings, but after 
re-installing the backport, they work, for whatever reason.

 
> 
> I backported sawfish-- it works fine with gnome2.2.  As for gnome1.4
> packages, they should be fine since the libraries they depend on can be
> installed in parallel.  In practice, two rather large gnome1.4 apps--
> gnucash 1.8 and evolution 1.2 worked fine under the backport.
> 


I already had gnucash and evolution (but I didn't know it yet) when I tried to install 
each of them with aptitude. In each case, aptitude told me I already had the package 
in question, and then offered to remove others. Do you know why?

 corinthian:/home/michael# aptitude install evolution
Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree   
Reading extended state information... Done
Sorry, evolution is already installed at the requested version (1.4.3-0jds4)
The following packages are unused and will be REMOVED:
  kdebase-libs kdelibs3 kdelibs3-bin libkonq3 libqt2 
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 5 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
Need to get 0B of archives. After unpacking 36.0MB will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n/e/d/v/action/?] n
Abort.

Thanks for the help with sylpheed.

mbc


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Re: PCI Wireless NIC question.

[Arnt Karlsen]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 08:03:50 -0700, 
"Percival, Ray" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:

> I recently decided to go wireless at home. I bought a Dlink dwl-520 

..'DWL-520' or 'DWL-520+' ???  That damned "+" makes one _hell_ of a 
difference, it uses an ACX-100 chip, details in http://acx100.sf.net/

> thinking it was a prisim2 chipset. Well it turned out that when I got
> it it is not a prisim2 but rather a realtek.
> 
> No problem they seem to have drivers.

..competence problem, on the part of the part of the chip maker, 
D-Link promised a linux driver "in a month or 3" a year ago, and 
they have given up TI, if it is the "+" you're talking about.

> http://www.realtek.com.tw/downloads/downloads1-3.aspx?software=True&compamod
> el=RTL8180L#2002121Unix%20(Linux)
> 
> So after looking at the drivers and playing with the Makefile for a
> bit I get them to compile well. Insmod well and the driver shows up
> when I do lsmod. I then did this.
> 
> ifconfig wlan0 192.168.1.4 netmask 255.255.255.0
>   ifconfig wlan0 up
>   route add default gateway 192.168.1.1

..huh???  'lsmod && uname -a'???

> ifconfig shows wlan0 as up and all looks well. When I attempt to ping
> 192.168.1.1 I get no response and after playing with it for some time
> I notice that everytime I try to ping out the wlan0 that the loopback
> interface's tx and rx are incrementing. I have confirmed that there is
> a route for 192.168.1.0 using wlan0 as it's interface and when I down
> wlan0 I get hardware errors when trying to ping 192.168.1.1 just like
> I would expect with a wired card. 
> 
> I'm at wits end and have read everything I can find and none of it
> seems to be working. Also just as a another datum pump -i wlan0 fails
> also. 
> 
> Thanks for any help. 

..play with 'iwconfig --help', 'man|info iwconfig'.

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Autodetection and configuring of devices! Need advice

[Joakim Nordberg]

Hi ppl,

I'm currently runnig a small distribution meant for terminal services, like,
X, Citrix, RDP and VNC. Which is installable on a disc with just dd, which
makes it very easy to deploy on hundreds of machines during a day.

For the moment i'm running on Sarge together with tools from Knoppix like
hwsetup and mkxf86config which are really nice. And it works like a dream!

But I would like to run it on Woody since Sarge updates too often, -but the
Knoppix tools runs only on Sarge or Sid. Got the picture?

Are there other tools I could use?
Discover for all hardware, -but
What should I use for X
What should I use for Mouse?

Regards,
Joakim Nordberg


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ppp demand dial

[Andrew Bulmer]

I'm having trouble getting demand dial to work on debian testing. I
compiled my own kernel (2.4.21) and set up NAT. I uncommented the demand
and and idle 300 in /etc/ppp/options. I've tried it with and without the
persist option. Here's a little more info:

/etc/init.d/ppp start
Starting up PPP link: pppd.

ps aux
...
root  5271  0.0  0.3  1936  892 ?S12:16   0:00 pppd call
provider
...

route -n
Kernel IP routing table
Destination Gateway Genmask Flags Metric RefUse
Iface
10.112.112.112  0.0.0.0 255.255.255.255 UH0  00
ppp0
192.168.0.0 0.0.0.0 255.255.255.0   U 0  00
eth1
0.0.0.0 10.112.112.112  0.0.0.0 UG0  00
ppp0

I use the /etc/init.d/ipmasq to enable NAT and it works fine. I don't
think the NAT has anything to do with it since I can try pinging outside
hosts while logged in locally to the server and it still doesn't
connect.

Is there some option that I missed when configuring the kernel?

Thanks,
Andrew Bulmer


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Re: (OT) Team programming tools

[Bret Comstock Waldow]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 04:23, Benedict Verheyen wrote:

> For instance a doc explaining how to set up Subversion/CVS and 
> showing how one can use these and other tools to work efficient?
> I would like to start using cvs here, tools like diff and make our 
> programming team use it but if it takes to much time, management 
> won't let me do it.

This is a little difficult to grasp.  How does your team handle versions
of it's work now?  And what language/environment are you coding for?

The idea that management won't let an existing team use tools makes me
think there's some other background here, and we need to know that in
order to give sensible answers.  Is it rather that there is an existing
tool set in place already that isn't useful for your group?

A manager too dumb to allow a programming team to organize their work
defies sense.

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Re: Gnome2.2 backport and XFree86 4.3 on woody [was R:e XFree864.3 in Woody]

[James Strandboge]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 15:03, Michael Bennett Cohn wrote:
> With more help from friends at #debian, I actually managed to get rid of the 
> offending XFree86 files. I then finished the backport install according to James' 
> instructions.
> 
> In general, it seems to be working.  But I have a few concerns:
> 
> 1) I think that James and whoever is promoting his backport should have the 
> explanation 

> and instructions he gave me earlier in this thread clearly displayed on the relevant 
> web pages.

>  The average woody user does not subscribe to this list.
> 
The main way I advertised the backport was through this list and
debianplanet.org.  Both of those have these instructions.  As for
others, I would like them to have proper instructions, but there isn't
much I can do.


> 2) Every time I install something related to gnome that I didn't have before, I get 

> Gdk-WARNING **: locale not supported by C library  without further qualifications. 

> However, so far, this has not produced a problem that I am aware of.
> 

Your locales are not setup.  This is not gnome but your system. 
'dpkg-reconfigure -plow locales' and setup a locale.

> 3) Gnome2.2 runs much slower than the old Gnome, on the same box. I'm hoping that 
> this 

> ponderousness is a feature of Gnome itself and not related to the backport.
> 
This is true in general for gnome2.2, especially with the RENDER
extension turned on (anti-aliased text).

> 4) James' backport includes an option for Fifth Toe, which I installed. Nice, but as 

> I understand it, Fifth Toe is a constantly updating subsystem of Gnome. So how do 

> changes/updates to Fifth Toe connect to using the backport?
> 
'subsystem of gnome'?  No-- it is a collection of packages.  I backport
what is interesting to me (as maintainer, I have that right), and what
others bring to my attention that I think won't hurt anything and be
beneficial to others.  I maintain security updates, and often point
releases.  I do NOT follow sid release for release though-- unless there
is a bug fix.


> 5) Sylpheed does not seem to be working well with Gnome2.2. For example, the help 
> menu 

> toolbar button does not open sylpheed-doc, even though I have it, 


Configuration/Common Preferences/Other/Web browser


> and certain widgets 

> within the sylpheed configuration GUI do not respond properly do mouse clicks. 


Can you be more specific?  I just tested darn near every widget and it
works fine here.


> 6) ...which leads to the more general question: if I'm running the backport of 
> Gnome2.2 on a 

> woody system, how much trouble can i expect to run into when using 
> "gnome-compatible" packages 

> that were not a part of the backport? Obviously, a package that is just plain a part 
> of the old 

> gnome, and has no place in 2.2, shouldn't be expected to work without problems in 
> 2.2. But take 

> something like Sawfish. Officially, it's not part of gnome, right? And yet, as a 
> woody user, I 

> don't have access to the most recent version of it (I think). So, while it should 
> technically work,

>  packages like woody's Sawfish, that are made to be sympatico with gnome, are 
> probably expecting 

> to find the old version of gnome. Is this a problem? How does the end-user with 
> woody and the 

> backport know which woody-gnome packages are going to get along with the backport?
> 

I backported sawfish-- it works fine with gnome2.2.  As for gnome1.4
packages, they should be fine since the libraries they depend on can be
installed in parallel.  In practice, two rather large gnome1.4 apps--
gnucash 1.8 and evolution 1.2 worked fine under the backport.

The only apps that really have trouble in gnome2.2 are applets from
gnome1.4, since the panel changed so much.

Jamie

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Re: X11 with different keyboards

[gaspard]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003, Christian Lynbech wrote:

> Secondly, is there any other way to switch keyboard layout on the fly
> under X11 (just like I can with `loadkeys' on the console) other than
> generating a set of command files for xmodmap?

See the webpage at

http://irg.cs.ohiou.edu/~eblanton/i18n/russkb.html

It's for russian/qwerty layout, but it should work for everything.

Just keep in mind there is an error in it, down the page:

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier "Keyboard0"
Driver "keyboard"
Option "XkbLayout"  "ru"
Option "XkbOptions" "ctrl:nocaps,grp:shift_toggle"
EndSection

The line

Option "XkbLayout"  "ru"

should be replaced by

Option "XkbLayout"  "us,ru"

of course replace "us,ru" with the two layouts you want. Then just shift
with shift+shift.

wfg,

Gaspard



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Re: Debian policy, major change ?

[Colin Watson]

On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 03:45:49AM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 10:41:48AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> > If the results of September's hackathon are anything like those of
> > the d-i sessions at debcamp, that should clear up most of the
> > remaining issues.
> 
> Well, people could coordinate via IRC or IM and hack at it.

They do (IRC, anyway), but it's just not as effective. Face-to-face
communication and the ability to look over at somebody's screen in real
time and say "oh, *that's* what's wrong" are underrated sometimes.

> But it's been so long since the last release, I think everybody's
> about ready to say "fuck it, one more release, then we should have
> it."

If you're suggesting that this release might have boot-floppies still,
no, I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.

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Re: latest gcc

[Sebastian Kapfer]

Please don't CC me, I'm reading the list.

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:20:05 +0200, Mihalis I. Tsoukalos wrote:

> I have searched apt-get.org and found gcc 3.2 and gcc 3.3.
> If I install either 3.3 or 3.2 version what else do I have to take care?

You're using inofficial packages, so the quality might be worse than
Debian's packaging. (Theoretically of course, it could be better, too.)

> How can I choose between the different gcc versions that I will have?

By using command names like gcc-3.2, cpp-3.2, g++-3.2

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Re: left out fat32 partition

[Sebastian Kapfer]

On Thu, 21 Aug 2003 07:00:10 +0200, oskar debian lists wrote:

> One of my vaft32 partition are having surface or other kind of trouble
> that make the debian linux go slow in general execution,

I have a hard time believing this, but who knows...

> i modify and erase the respective line in /etc/fstab, but Debian Linux
> still mounting it, i do a: ls /mnt/* -ldh

The mount-point doesn't disappear just because you removed a line from
/etc/fstab. Removing the line makes sure that the partition doesn't get
mounted the next time the system is rebooted.

If you want to unmount it without rebooting (which seems likely), use the
"umount" command.

Afterwards there is an empty directory (the so-called mount point) in your
/mnt tree. You can remove it safely, if you don't plan to use it anymore.

> and the partition still there under "sys" owner there is a way to leave
> it out of the system, or i need reinstall my Debian Linux and left out
> that partition since the begining of the installation?

No, you don't have to reinstall. Reinstalling hardly ever fixes anything.

> 
> 

Please turn off HTML mail in your mail client when posting to the mailing
list.

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Re: Debian policy, major change ?

[Matt Price]

On Wed, Aug 20, 2003 at 10:09:01PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2003 at 04:51:42PM +0200, Stephane wrote:
> > Next debian stable to be released on 1st december:
> > 
> > http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2003/debian-devel-announce-200308/msg00010.html
> > 
> > I would love to hear some comments :)
> 

If the question is, what do people think of having a projected release
date, I for one quite like it.  Gives me something to look forward.  

A couple of technical questions about the release: 

- first of all, is it possible to get one's hands on debian-installer
-- and does it largely work at this point?  I'd love to try it out.  

- and second: has a decision been made regarding the version of gcc
that sarge will be compiled with?  Is this question related to the
delays in getting gnome2.2 and kde 3.1 in sarge (referred to earlier
by Colin, whose mail I accidentally deleted)?

best,
matt


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Re: Totem won't start

[Mark Roach]

On Thu, 2003-08-21 at 09:59, Michael Gabilondo wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-08-20 at 23:32, James Strandboge wrote:
> > Disable esd with 'esdctl off'.
> 
> I had to install esound-clients to get that program. I ran it, but it
> didn't seem to do anything... totem still won't start.

Try running it from a terminal, any error messages? If not, try running
it with strace and post the last 20 or so lines of output.

-Mark


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Re: mbox--> maildir with getmail, procmail,mutt

[Matt Price]

> So, I converted everything over and it seems to have mostly gone
well, except that mutt seems to be poorly configured now.  I can't
seem to get mutt to naviagete from one maildir to another -- it keeps
dumping me out in message files, and not seeing the .foldername ifles
that mb2mh generated.  On the other hand, if I start with mutt -f
=Maildir/.IN.debian (for instance) I can get my mail.  Any
suggestions?

-

sorry about the unwrapped line.  

I think the problem may actually be more with procmail than with mutt
-- I'm not sure it was sending messages to the right mailboxes.  For
the moment I've gone back to mbox, will return to this problem when I
have more time.

thanks again,

matt


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