Re: 2 NIC's, assigned in wrong order
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:41:29PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: > > Dec 28 19:11:31 ve6wvc nameif: cannot change name of eth1 to eth0: File exists > > The `file' here is the network device `eth0' -- ``ifconfig -a'' will > show both eth1 and eth0 are there, waiting to be upped. This looks like > a kernel limitation. This is what Bernd Eckenfels says in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, in a Debian Bug #225256 thread: | On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:56:09PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote: | > BTW: Is nameif's unability to swap names of two existing devices a | > kernel limitation, or another nameif's bug? | | it is a missing feature in nameif, it will have to rename to a temporary | name. Hmm.. possibly there are some patches floating around to fix that, | send them to me if you see them .) Just if anybody wanted to know. -- Jan MinarChvostny Snovy krok. \/\ Whoopy Boo Year. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Booting Caper.
Thanks a bunch you guys. You cleared up a lot of issues and misconceptions I had. I thought that you could boot another kernel while another was running, although in hindsight, I don't know why I thought that as the current running kernel would alredy be in high memory and such... Well, I found a good floppy and installed a syslinux image by hand and copied the proper kernel and initrd image over and it boots now. But I still have one problem. I am trying to boot the new stable 2.6.0 kernel and it say s some error and that I need to pass an init= option to the kernel. I've never gotten this before in 2.4 kernels. What is the init option and how should I use it? > "Jonathan Lassoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> I want to boot the debian woody install on the second drive, and have >> been >> with a boot floppy for a few months now. > [...] >> Well the original disk reprted all kinds of bad sectors while >> writing it, so I found a floppy that works, and it still fails to >> boot. > > How are you making the boot floppy? I'd probably try to do this sort > of thing by using a real bootloader... > >> So then I thought I might have my first go at using GRUB on the >> command line. So I boot into my Redhat 9 install and switch to >> single user mode (init 1) and run grub. I set the root partition and >> specify my kernel with all the right options. Then I specify my >> initrd image and then run "boot" and the thing just just quits, it >> doesn't boot or do anything. > > Well, yeah, you've already booted the machine, the command-line grub > isn't going to magically reboot your running kernel. You need to > install grub on to some media (your hard disk or your known-good > floppy) and boot from that, then this incantation would work. Read > the GRUB manual. > > (I find a GRUB floppy to be a great rescue tool, BTW: if you have some > clue of what's on the machine, you can use it to boot even if your MBR > is broken, you can boot from partitions that the local boot loader > doesn't know about, and if your system is really hosed, you can > connect a null-modem cable to another machine, tell GRUB to use a > serial console, and start catting files from the GRUB prompt. Not > that I've had flaky hardware that requires this or anything. :-) > > so my recommendation would be to follow the procedure in the GRUB > manual, and make a GRUB floppy, and either use that to boot your > Debian partition or use it to install GRUB into your MBR. > > -- > David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ > "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." > -- Abra Mitchell > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Caper.
"Jonathan Lassoff" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I want to boot the debian woody install on the second drive, and have been > with a boot floppy for a few months now. [...] > Well the original disk reprted all kinds of bad sectors while > writing it, so I found a floppy that works, and it still fails to > boot. How are you making the boot floppy? I'd probably try to do this sort of thing by using a real bootloader... > So then I thought I might have my first go at using GRUB on the > command line. So I boot into my Redhat 9 install and switch to > single user mode (init 1) and run grub. I set the root partition and > specify my kernel with all the right options. Then I specify my > initrd image and then run "boot" and the thing just just quits, it > doesn't boot or do anything. Well, yeah, you've already booted the machine, the command-line grub isn't going to magically reboot your running kernel. You need to install grub on to some media (your hard disk or your known-good floppy) and boot from that, then this incantation would work. Read the GRUB manual. (I find a GRUB floppy to be a great rescue tool, BTW: if you have some clue of what's on the machine, you can use it to boot even if your MBR is broken, you can boot from partitions that the local boot loader doesn't know about, and if your system is really hosed, you can connect a null-modem cable to another machine, tell GRUB to use a serial console, and start catting files from the GRUB prompt. Not that I've had flaky hardware that requires this or anything. :-) ...so my recommendation would be to follow the procedure in the GRUB manual, and make a GRUB floppy, and either use that to boot your Debian partition or use it to install GRUB into your MBR. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Public / private IP addresses
Antony Gelberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I've dealt with quite a few LANs over the years. I'd like to try > something that I never have done before... > > I work with ADSL providers who allocate 5 public IP addresses (sometimes > 1) to a connection. If I have a LAN of, say, 20 workstations, I can use > NAT, and give them private addresses - no problem. > > I usually have an ADSL router / modem, hooked up to a Linux box > configured as a bridging firewall, which connects to a switch. > > But if they wanted to run a public email server as well, clearly that > needs a public IP address. Fine, but how does the routing aspect work? > Do I need to ditch the bridging configuration on the firewall and > reconfigure it as a router with 3 NICs? You can run two IP networks on the same physical network; I do that here for arcane and esoteric reasons. :-) If your ISP gives you static IPs, this is easy; you arrange for the mail server to have an externally visible IP address (either by configuring it directly or having your local DHCP server hand it an external address), and tell your firewall machine that that address is internal and that it should route it directly without NATting. I don't know if this is a solvable problem if you need to get the second address by DHCP, though; I could envision some cleverness wherein the gateway machine acts as a transparent bridge if it sees traffic from the specific MAC address of the mail server, but I'd have no idea how to set it up under Linux. In that case, having three NICs probably would help, since you could bridge from DMZ<->external and NAT from internal<->external. -- David Maze [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://people.debian.org/~dmaze/ "Theoretical politics is interesting. Politicking should be illegal." -- Abra Mitchell -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X refuses to load nVidia module
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 09:59:58PM -0500, Bradley Alexander wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:32:08 -0700 > "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > When you load the module manually, does it show in the output of lsmod? > > Yep. That was the first thing I checked when looking under 2.4.23. > When I tried to load the module under 2.6.0, I got the message > > FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.0/nvidia/nvidia.ko): > Invalid module format > > However, the module was loaded under 2.4.23... When the module would load, but X would fail to start, I found I had differing versions of nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx installed on the system. Are you sure you had the same version of both installed under 2.4.23? -- Jamin W. Collins Linux is not The Answer. Yes is the answer. Linux is The Question. - Neo -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 22:51:06 -0600 Michael D Schleif <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best > practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. > > -- > Best Regards, > http://forum.johncfish.com/ Regards, David. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
cronjob executing at wrong time
I've got a server running Debian 3.0 r1. A job that is scheduled to execute at 8:01pm is executing at 2:01pm. The cronjob entry runs as non-root user: 1 20 * * 1-5 myjob I have the server synchronized to a time source with ntpdate and I've checked the local timezone. The 'myjob' script itself appears to run fine, just at the wrong time. I've written some test scripts to echo `date` to a log file via cron. The output agrees with the system clock, but the scheduled cronjob runs at the wrong time. Kernel info: Linux trajan 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown I've been using crontab for many years, but I'm certainly overlooking something quite obvious. Any pointers to clues will be most appreciated. Thanks. -Jeff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Booting Caper.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 09:20:55PM -0800, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: > In theory, this sounds great, but it doesn't work out so well for me. When > I install GRUB to /dev/hda it posts, clears the screen, puts something > like "GRUB" and just sits there. Well as I said you need to make sure your have a proper menu.lst file and make sure you install grub so that it knows which partition contains /boot/grub/. > I also still need to boot Windoze occasionally to play games. Grub can boot windows, with the chainloader command. > What I'm wondering is why when I do the "boot" command in grub, it > justs dies and drops me to a command line. I'm going to try and boot > off a CDRW with ISOLINUX and my kernel and initrd.img. Wish me luck, > I'll be back in a few... If you're running grub from within Redhat you can't run the boot command. This is because you're already running an operating system. grub can't just get rid of the running kernel, then load the new kernel and proceed to start up debian. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???
Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2003:12:29:23:57:16-0500] scribed: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:51:06PM -0600, Michael D Schleif wrote: > > Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best > > practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. > > Well I'm one for thorough reference material so for CSS2 and XHTML > I would recommend you look through the www consortium pages at: > http://www.w3c.org > > As for CGI.pm I would do a: > apt-get install perl-doc > > and then: > apropos CGI > man CGI > > That's enough to get me going. But if you would like more tutorial- > like resources, then I recommend you search google. Yes, I have been googling ;> I suppose that I wasn't adequately clear as to my request: I want to find tutorials, examples, &c. of using all three (3) together: CGI.pm, CSS2 and XHTML. In other words, what are the best ways to leverage the union of all three tools? -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Booting Caper.
In theory, this sounds great, but it doesn't work out so well for me. When I install GRUB to /dev/hda it posts, clears the screen, puts something like "GRUB" and just sits there. I also still need to boot Windoze occasionally to play games. What I'm wondering is why when I do the "boot" command in grub, it justs dies and drops me to a command line. I'm going to try and boot off a CDRW with ISOLINUX and my kernel and initrd.img. Wish me luck, I'll be back in a few... > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:21:59PM -0800, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: >> [hda] >> 70 Gb windoze xp partition >> 9.7 Gb Redhat 9 / (ext3) >> 0.3 Gb Redhat 9 swap >> [hdb] >> 9.7 Gb Debian Woody / (ext2) >> 0.3 Gb Debian Woody swap > >> Well, now I haven't a clue what to do as I can't boot my debian install >> and now I'm sad. Any ideas to get grub working or anything to boot it? > > Ok well first you need to get a working menu.lst file in grub. > Mine looks like: > title Debian bf2.4 > root(hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi > > title Debian 2.6.0 > root(hd0,0) > kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi > > title Low-level Format > root(hd0,3) > chainload +1 > > But yours would look like: > title Windows > root(hd0,0) > chainloader +1 > > title Redhat > root(hd0,1) > kernel /boot/name-of-redhat-kernel root=/dev/hda2 > > title Debian > root(hd1,0) > kernel /boot/name-of-debian-kernel root=/dev/hdb1 > > Then assuming grub is installed on redhat you would run grub > in redhat and enter the following commands: > root (hd0,1) This tells grub that /boot/grub/ is on /dev/hda2 > setup (hd0) This tells grub to install itself on /dev/hda > > Bijan > -- > Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > http://www.crasseux.com > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:51:06PM -0600, Michael D Schleif wrote: > Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best > practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. Well I'm one for thorough reference material so for CSS2 and XHTML I would recommend you look through the www consortium pages at: http://www.w3c.org As for CGI.pm I would do a: apt-get install perl-doc and then: apropos CGI man CGI That's enough to get me going. But if you would like more tutorial- like resources, then I recommend you search google. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Best Practices: CGI.pm & CSS2 ???
Please, somebody point me to URL's that provide examples and best practices of using CSS2, CGI.pm and XHTML v1.x. -- Best Regards, mds mds resource 877.596.8237 - Dare to fix things before they break . . . - Our capacity for understanding is inversely proportional to how much we think we know. The more I know, the more I know I don't know . . . -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Booting Caper.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:21:59PM -0800, Jonathan Lassoff wrote: > [hda] > 70 Gb windoze xp partition > 9.7 Gb Redhat 9 / (ext3) > 0.3 Gb Redhat 9 swap > [hdb] > 9.7 Gb Debian Woody / (ext2) > 0.3 Gb Debian Woody swap > Well, now I haven't a clue what to do as I can't boot my debian install > and now I'm sad. Any ideas to get grub working or anything to boot it? Ok well first you need to get a working menu.lst file in grub. Mine looks like: title Debian bf2.4 root(hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi title Debian 2.6.0 root(hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi title Low-level Format root(hd0,3) chainload +1 But yours would look like: title Windows root(hd0,0) chainloader +1 title Redhat root(hd0,1) kernel /boot/name-of-redhat-kernel root=/dev/hda2 title Debian root(hd1,0) kernel /boot/name-of-debian-kernel root=/dev/hdb1 Then assuming grub is installed on redhat you would run grub in redhat and enter the following commands: root (hd0,1)This tells grub that /boot/grub/ is on /dev/hda2 setup (hd0) This tells grub to install itself on /dev/hda Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: David Grudek/COR/AXE is out of the office.
Colin Watson wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:01:07AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:21:12 +, Colin Watson wrote: On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 05:39:16AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:50:16 +, Ken Gilmour wrote: I believe the Americans do it backwards... 1/04/2004 being January 4th rather than 1st of April :-). Who's doing it backwards depends, I guess, on your point of view. Both "4th January 2004" and "January 4th 2004" are clear; "2004/01/04" is clear, and sorts well; "04/01/2004" is sadly ambiguous due to the prevalence of the US date format but at least has the benefit of being in a rational order (i.e. not middle-endian). "01/04/2004" just has nothing to recommend it at all. I guess it's a religious war, but for once the superior options seem technically obvious. My point was that neither is "backwards". Dates are no different than any other language element. Americans usually say, "January fourth, two thousand three" and so they write their dates that way. Brits tend to say "Fourth of January...". It's simply dialect stretching back centuries, and nothing to do with date sorting on computers. You're talking about "4th of January", etc. I'm talking about the meaning of "01/04/2004". Apples and oranges. If you're going to write your dates in an abbreviated form subject to ambiguity then you should pick a rational abbreviated form. So do you abbreviate International Business Machines as BIM? It is just local preference, and silly to argue about, but it is even sillier to argue about it while dismissing the other side's arguments out of hand. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
On Monday December 29 at 10:05pm "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Linux joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 > 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ > > The TZ is off though, for some reason (the windowmaker clock applet > shows correct time though) Which TZ? The one in the kernel information? Thats all info pertaining to the computer that built the kernel. -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Allman Brothers Band - Back Where It All Begins : An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band (2nd Set) Today is Boomtime, the 70th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Beancounter and PostgeSQL?
I have just installed beancounter, using PostgeSQL as a backend, and am having a problem. When I run 'setup_beancounter' it creates the empty database, but when it then tries to connect and populate the db with sample data I get an error saying: "No luck with database connection" I get the same error if I try to run "beancounter status". The problem is when DBI.pm tries to connect to the database. I can connect to the database just fine with psql. Once connected, I can query the tables (which are empty) to verify that the db was created correctly. Why can I connect through psql, but not through the application? A similar thing happened once, before, with Pronto. The app would not connect to the db, but psql would. I had to change a few lines of code so that it would not send password data to PostgreSQL (since I have no password set up for my db). Now the code is in the middle of DBI.pm and I really don't want to mess with it. Is there something that I may have set up incorrectly when I installed PostgreSQL? This has to be working for other people. What am I doing wrong? Marc Shapiro _ Take advantage of our limited-time introductory offer for dial-up Internet access. http://join.msn.com/?page=dept/dialup -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
On Monday December 29 at 10:01pm "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > apt-cache search alsa-modules > > > > Pick the one that matches your kernel version. If none exists, you > > must compile your own from alsa-source using make-kpkg. It's not > > very hard, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source > > I can't compile from source. Hardware is VERY flakey. *searches for > mythical alas-modules* If there doesn't exist a package for your kernel, my suggestion would be to get a newer/different kernel as well. It seems there is a modules package for every architecture for 2.4.22, so I would go for that. -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Allman Brothers Band - Back Where It All Begins : An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band (2nd Set) Today is Boomtime, the 70th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Booting Caper.
I'm in a bit of a booting pickle. I've got two drives in a given box. Their geometry looks like: [hda] 70 Gb windoze xp partition 9.7 Gb Redhat 9 / (ext3) 0.3 Gb Redhat 9 swap [hdb] 9.7 Gb Debian Woody / (ext2) 0.3 Gb Debian Woody swap I want to boot the debian woody install on the second drive, and have been with a boot floppy for a few months now. Well I got the hankering to try this new 2.6.0 kernel, so I compiled it and figured that I could just replace the kernel image and initrd image on the disk. Well I was wrong. In theory this should have worked, but something went horribly wrong, and syslinux tells me "Boot Failed: Insert another disk and press any key to continue" while loading the kernel. So I got the idea that I'd just boot into my redhat install and do mkbootdisk with the kernel from the woody partition. Well the original disk reprted all kinds of bad sectors while writing it, so I found a floppy that works, and it still fails to boot. So then I thought I might have my first go at using GRUB on the command line. So I boot into my Redhat 9 install and switch to single user mode (init 1) and run grub. I set the root partition and specify my kernel with all the right options. Then I specify my initrd image and then run "boot" and the thing just just quits, it doesn't boot or do anything. It just sits there. Well, now I haven't a clue what to do as I can't boot my debian install and now I'm sad. Any ideas to get grub working or anything to boot it? -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
Johann Koenig wrote: On Monday December 29 at 08:10pm "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install alsa-modules Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package alsa-modules has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list apt-cache search alsa-modules Pick the one that matches your kernel version. If none exists, you must compile your own from alsa-source using make-kpkg. It's not very hard, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ apt-cache search alsa-modules alsa-modules-2.4.16-386 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-586 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-586tsc - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-686 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-686-smp - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-k6 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.16-k7 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-386 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-586tsc - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-686-smp - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k6 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k7 - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) alsa-modules-2.4.22-1-k7-smp - Advanced Linux Sound Architecture (drivers) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ uname -a Linux joseph-a-nagy-jr.homelinux.org 2.4.18-bf2.4 #1 Son Apr 14 09:53:28 CEST 2002 i686 GNU/Linux [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ The TZ is off though, for some reason (the windowmaker clock applet shows correct time though) -- Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. Student at Motlow State Community College Political Activist Extrodinaire The only fallacy is the inaction on our part to stave off the worst of horrors, the stripping of personal freedom. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
Johann Koenig wrote: On Monday December 29 at 08:10pm "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install alsa-modules Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package alsa-modules has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list apt-cache search alsa-modules Pick the one that matches your kernel version. If none exists, you must compile your own from alsa-source using make-kpkg. It's not very hard, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source I can't compile from source. Hardware is VERY flakey. *searches for mythical alas-modules* -- Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. Student at Motlow State Community College Political Activist Extrodinaire The only fallacy is the inaction on our part to stave off the worst of horrors, the stripping of personal freedom. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
On Monday December 29 at 08:10pm "Joseph A. Nagy, Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install alsa-modules > Reading Package Lists... Done > Building Dependency Tree... Done > Package alsa-modules has no available version, but exists in the > database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a > dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available > with the contents of sources.list apt-cache search alsa-modules Pick the one that matches your kernel version. If none exists, you must compile your own from alsa-source using make-kpkg. It's not very hard, read the docs in /usr/share/doc/alsa-source -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Allman Brothers Band - Back Where It All Begins : An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band (2nd Set) Today is Boomtime, the 70th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: X refuses to load nVidia module
On Monday December 29 at 09:59pm Bradley Alexander <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Yep. That was the first thing I checked when looking under 2.4.23. > When I tried to load the module under 2.6.0, I got the message > > FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.0/nvidia/nvidia.ko): > Invalid module format I haven't tried using the default installer under 2.6.0, but the one from http://www.minion.de/ (you have to follow the directions, it involves patching the source) worked for me. Latest version, 5328. -- -johann koenig Now Playing: The Allman Brothers Band - Back Where It All Begins : An Evening With The Allman Brothers Band (2nd Set) Today is Boomtime, the 70th day of The Aftermath in the YOLD 3169 My public pgp key: http://mental-graffiti.com/pgp/johannkoenig.pgp pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
modem external
someone can help me to setup an us robotics courier v.everything external modem on debian 3.1? my linux is detecting the modem, and the modem dials to the provider, but cant establish the connection. this is the log of the error: carnivore:~# plog -f Dec 28 05:45:27 carnivore pppd[339]: pppd 2.4.1 started by root, uid 0 Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (BUSY) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (NO CARRIER) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (VOICE) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (NO DIALTONE) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (NO DIAL TONE) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (NO ANSWER) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: abort on (DELAYED) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: send (ATZ^M) Dec 28 05:45:28 carnivore chat[340]: expect (OK) Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: ATZ^M^M Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: OK Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: -- got it Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: send (ATDT1500^M) Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: expect (CONNECT) Dec 28 05:45:29 carnivore chat[340]: ^M Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]: ATDT1500^M^M Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]: CONNECT Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore chat[340]: -- got it Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore pppd[339]: Serial connection established. Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore pppd[339]: using channel 1 Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore pppd[339]: Using interface ppp0 Dec 28 05:45:53 carnivore pppd[339]: Connect: ppp0 <--> /dev/ttyS1 Dec 28 05:45:54 carnivore pppd[339]: sent [LCP ConfReq id=0x1 ] Dec 28 05:46:24 carnivore pppd[339]: LCP: timeout sending Config-Requests Dec 28 05:46:24 carnivore pppd[339]: Connection terminated. Dec 28 05:46:25 carnivore pppd[339]: Hangup (SIGHUP) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:23:26PM -0500, Bob Billson wrote: > On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 01:15:54PM -0500, Paul Morgan penned: > > > I need to create some small databses in postgress (christmas card list, > > > household inventory). What choices do I have for creating user input forms, > > > and reports in Debian? > > > > pgaccess > > I'm curious. Is there a similar program for mysql? Yes. I am starting to play with this right now as I don't know a darn thing about databases ~$ dpkg -l phpmyadmin ii phpmyadmin 2.5.4-2 A set of PHP-scripts to administrate MySQL over the WWW -Andy -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: David Grudek/COR/AXE is out of the office.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:01:07AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 01:21:12 +, Colin Watson wrote: > > On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 05:39:16AM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > >> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 00:50:16 +, Ken Gilmour wrote: > >> > I believe the Americans do it backwards... 1/04/2004 being > >> > January 4th rather than 1st of April :-). > >> > >> Who's doing it backwards depends, I guess, on your point of view. > > > > Both "4th January 2004" and "January 4th 2004" are clear; "2004/01/04" > > is clear, and sorts well; "04/01/2004" is sadly ambiguous due to the > > prevalence of the US date format but at least has the benefit of being > > in a rational order (i.e. not middle-endian). "01/04/2004" just has > > nothing to recommend it at all. > > > > I guess it's a religious war, but for once the superior options seem > > technically obvious. > > My point was that neither is "backwards". Dates are no different than any > other language element. Americans usually say, "January fourth, two > thousand three" and so they write their dates that way. Brits tend to say > "Fourth of January...". It's simply dialect stretching back centuries, > and nothing to do with date sorting on computers. You're talking about "4th of January", etc. I'm talking about the meaning of "01/04/2004". Apples and oranges. If you're going to write your dates in an abbreviated form subject to ambiguity then you should pick a rational abbreviated form. > In any case, software should adapt to the user, not the other way > around. This has nothing to do with software. The exact same problem arises on paper forms. Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 01:23:04AM +0100, Sebastian Kapfer wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:00:47 +0100, Joseph A. Nagy wrote: > > Subject: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable > > Debian 3.0 is no longer unstable ;-) Technically, it never was. Unstable doesn't get assigned a version number. :) Cheers, -- Colin Watson [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X refuses to load nVidia module
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:32:08 -0700 "Jamin W. Collins" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:18:40PM -0500, Bradley M Alexander wrote: > > I just built a sid box from bare metal last week, and am having > > problems getting the nVidia drivers to load. I tried this under 2.4.23 > > and 2.6.0, and in both cases, the module refuses to load. At this > > point, I'm not sure if it is a module loader problem or within X. X > > itself is reporting: > > Almost every box I own uses the nvidia driver. How did you build the > driver? Are you using the Debian packages? If so, which version of the > packages (both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx)? Same here. This particular box, however, was just built last week using the new sarge netinst CD. I'm running the 4496 packages on all of them. I build the kernel and driver the Debian way. Untar the kernel source, make menuconfig, make-kpkg kernel_image. For the modules, I make-kpkg modules. In this case, I untarred the nvidia-kernel-source.tar.gz tarball, ran the 2.6 patch before doing the make-kpkg modules. > > This happens whether I load the module by hand or not. The nvidia > > devices(nvidia[0123] and nvidiactl) exist in /dev. > > When you load the module manually, does it show in the output of lsmod? Yep. That was the first thing I checked when looking under 2.4.23. When I tried to load the module under 2.6.0, I got the message FATAL: Error inserting nvidia (/lib/modules/2.6.0/nvidia/nvidia.ko): Invalid module format However, the module was loaded under 2.4.23... > > -- > Jamin W. Collins > > Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. --Aldous Huxley, > "Proper Studies", 1927 > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- --Brad Bradley M. Alexander| gTLD SysAdmin, Security Engineer| storm [at] tux.org Debian/GNU Linux Developer | storm [at] debian.org Key fingerprints: DSA 0x54434E65: 37F6 BCA6 621D 920C E02E E3C8 73B2 C019 5443 4E65 RSA 0xC3BCBA91: 3F 0E 26 C1 90 14 AD 0A C8 9C F0 93 75 A0 01 34 "Oh yeah, you go to pieces so fast that people get hit by the shrapnel." --Ford Prefect -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to boot new kernel 2.6.0
have you run lilo before rebooting? -Terence P.S. it is better to leave the original image section (i.e. the one for vmlinuz-2.2.19) unchanged and add another section for the new kernel, because your system can still be able to boot when the new kernel fails. On 2003-12-29, Shahid Bhatti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > I have installed the new kernel deb package 2.6.0 and after configuring > lilo and rebooting I am not able to boot the machine successfully. I am > getting the following error: > > VFS:Cannot open root device "301" or unknwon-block(3,1) > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs or unknown-block(3,1) > - > And the system just hangs there. I am using sid distribution. > Any help from you will be highly appreciated, thanks. > > --SmB > > > This is my simple /etc/lilo.conf here which looks like the following: > -- > lba32 > boot=/dev/hda > root=/dev/hda1 > install=/boot/boot.b > map=/boot/map > delay=20 > vga=normal > default=Linux > #image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19 > image=/boot/vmlinuz > label=Linux > append="root=/dev/hda1" > read-only > image=/vmlinuz.old > label=Linux\ (old) > read-only > # restricted > # alias=1 > > > -- :: http://stopthewall.org :: >From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tue Dec 30 09:55:34 2003 Hi All, I have installed the new kernel deb package 2.6.0 and after configuring lilo and rebooting I am not able to boot the machine successfully. I am getting the following error: VFS:Cannot open root device "301" or unknwon-block(3,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs or unknown-block(3,1) - And the system just hangs there. I am using sid distribution. Any help from you will be highly appreciated, thanks. --SmB This is my simple /etc/lilo.conf here which looks like the following: -- lba32 boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map delay=20 vga=normal default=Linux #image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19 image=/boot/vmlinuz label=Linux append="root=/dev/hda1" read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=Linux\ (old) read-only # restricted # alias=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- :: http://stopthewall.org :: -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
Sebastian Kapfer wrote: alsa-base does not contain any sound drivers. alsa-base is the init.d script which loads sound drivers (and a few other technical details). Do you have an alsa-modules package installed which matches your kernel? (I assume you're running a 2.4 series kernel. 2.6 has ALSA built in.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~# apt-get install alsa-modules Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done Package alsa-modules has no available version, but exists in the database. This typically means that the package was mentioned in a dependency and never uploaded, has been obsoleted or is not available with the contents of sources.list However the following packages replace it: alsa-base E: Package alsa-modules has no installation candidate And yes, I'm running 2.4.18-bf2.4 Once you have installed the alsa-modules package, you can run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to select your sound driver. I'll do that. Perhaps I missed something. -- Joseph A. Nagy, Jr. Student at Motlow State Community College Political Activist Extrodinaire The only fallacy is the inaction on our part to stave off the worst of horrors, the stripping of personal freedom. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Unable to boot new kernel 2.6.0
On Monday 29 December 2003 06:29 pm, Shahid Bhatti wrote: > Hi All, > I have installed the new kernel deb package 2.6.0 and after configuring > lilo and rebooting I am not able to boot the machine successfully. I am > getting the following error: > > VFS:Cannot open root device "301" or unknwon-block(3,1) > Please append a correct "root=" boot option > Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs or unknown-block(3,1) > - > And the system just hangs there. I am using sid distribution. > Any help from you will be highly appreciated, thanks. > > --SmB I assume you mean the 2.6.0 kernel-image packages at http://people.debian.org/~herbert/ I had the same problem with the 686 optimized kernel. I had an important error message above the ones you quoted, though, about trying to load the initrd which was 4224 blocks in size into a RAM disk that was 4096 blocks in size. Obviously, this didn't work, so then the kernel couldn't load the file system that was supposed to be in this ram disk. My solution (not necessarily the best one, but it appears to work -- I'm running the kernel now) was to add ramdisk_size=8192 to the append= line in my lilo.conf (see below). Josh > This is my simple /etc/lilo.conf here which looks like the following: > -- > lba32 > boot=/dev/hda > root=/dev/hda1 > install=/boot/boot.b > map=/boot/map > delay=20 > vga=normal > default=Linux > #image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19 > image=/boot/vmlinuz > label=Linux > append="root=/dev/hda1" change this to be append="root=/dev/hda1 ramdisk_size=8192" > read-only > image=/vmlinuz.old > label=Linux\ (old) > read-only > # restricted > # alias=1 > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Good front end for small postgress dtabases?
On Fri, Dec 26, 2003 at 01:15:54PM -0500, Paul Morgan penned: > > I need to create some small databses in postgress (christmas card list, > > household inventory). What choices do I have for creating user input forms, > > and reports in Debian? > > pgaccess I'm curious. Is there a similar program for mysql? bob -- bob billsonemail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ham: kc2wz /) [EMAIL PROTECTED] beekeeper -8|||} Beannachtaí na Nollaig! Linux geek \) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OO1.1 fails to start
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:54:14AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:14:12PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > Do you guys mean MDI (Multiple Document Interface) rather than MDA (Mail > > Delivery Agent)? :) > > Slap me with a wet noodle... I didn't catch that through the entire > thread. And I thought of it today at work and hoped no one would mention it. -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:21:27PM -0600, Nathan Eric Norman wrote:
> On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:42:11AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 17:15 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
> > >
> > > Even with huge internet links, radio is a problem. My corp has
> > > upwards of 50,000 PCs, you can imagine the problem and associated cost
> > > if rules weren't strict and the penalties non-trivial ("not excluding
> > > termination")
> > >
> > > If you're at work, and you're stealing your company resources (or your
> > > time for which your company has paid you) for personal reasons, you're
> > > a thief, no two ways about it.
> > >
> >
> > I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and
> > save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio
> > stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as
> > wanted it?
> >
> > I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the
> > legalities. Just a thought.
>
> It works as long as everyone's willing to listen to the same thing :-)
> Or, to put it another way, you need N users per "proxy" stream, where
> N is a number greater than, say, 4, to make it worthwhile. Obviously
> there's still a upper bound on how many proxy streams you can support.
>
> Realaudio made (and possibly still makes) a proxy for their audio
> streaming format. It wasn't cheap when I looked at it a few years
> ago. There are free alternatives like icecast if you're streaming
> mp3s (which may have other legal issues for a company ...)
>
> Howeer, all this assumes that you have plenty of internal bandwidth,
> and are only squeezed on external bandwidth. Many companies do not
> have an excess of internal bandwidth: think a company with many sites
> connected by fractional DS-1 links.
>
> Cheers,
One company I worked for had a mp3 directory all employees could mount
through nfs and listen to (don't know if there are legal issues to this).
On the other had my computer there spent most of its time compiling
(usually three or four heavy jobs in parallel) and four computers
connected to my hub usually soaking the bandwidth (network stress
testing mostly) so I ended up using a mini disk player since the songs
kept jumping and dying on me ;-)
>
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Re: MAKEDEV problem
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 06:17:32PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: | On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 07:10:36PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: | > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:48:10PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: | > | Just did an install of sarge via the beta debian-installer image, and | > | MAKEDEV is telling me this: | > | | > | /sbin/MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found | > | > This looks like it is supposed to be a shell script, and in the shell | > script is an assignment line. However, the '-' there can not be part | > of a variable name, so the shell thinks that is a command. Which, | > naturally, is not found. | | I've been looking at the /sbin/MAKEDEV script and have come to the same | realization. | | The loop reads items from /proc/devices, and in that file, we find: | | Block devices: | 1 ramdisk | 3 ide0 | 22 ide1 | 254 device-mapper | | Apparently MAKEDEV never expects to see an item with a hyphen in the | name. Aha! That explains it. I didn't read the logic in my copy, I just did a quick search for the name to be hard-coded. | > Somehow your script is incorrect. That script is part of the | > 'makedev' package. Try reinstalling that package and see if the | > script changes. | | The latest versions on both sarge and sid seem to be the same, which is | the same version I have installed. I just stumbled upon something | though - I looked through loaded kernel modules and saw one called | "dm_mod" (the "dm" apparently standing for device mapper), which I | removed. Now it works! device-mapper disappeared from /proc/devices, | and MAKEDEV works like normal. Awesome. :) Now, I wonder exactly whose | bug this is... I'd say it's MAKDEV's bug in assuming that all kernel device names follow shell naming rules. A better program would use a data structure to store the names, rather than making them part of the code itself. However, sh is not structured enough for that level of abstraction so I understand why the current design is used. I recommend that you file a bug against 'makedev' explaining the this device-mapper thing and how that causes MAKEDEV to fail. At least then there will be a record of this issue and the maintainer will be aware of it. -D -- There is not a righteous man on earth who does what is right and never sins. Ecclesiastes 7:20 www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Spamassassin on Debian HOWTO?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:12:46PM +, Colin Watson wrote: > > /root/woody-chroot/bin/ and copy bash into it? > > Yes, and make sure to copy any libraries it needs too. I'm hoping the root shell doesn't require much, but to simplify my life I think I'll just copy busybox there and name it "bash". -- Carl Fink [EMAIL PROTECTED] Jabootu's Minister of Proofreading http://www.jabootu.com -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: XP-LINUX Dual Boot - Still have problems
On Mon, 2003-12-29 at 16:45, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- > Any help with dual booting XP and Linux with XP boot loader will be much > appreciated. Just out of curiosity, is there some reason you HAVE to use the XP boot loader? I've found it much easier to use LILO as my bootloader and just chain the XP bootloader from it. -- Alex Malinovich Support Free Software, delete your Windows partition TODAY! Encrypted mail preferred. You can get my public key from any of the pgp.net keyservers. Key ID: A6D24837 signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part
Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:38:23 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:36:03PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:53:11 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: >> > Whether the *battle* is something you care about... that's for you to >> > decide. >> >> Which is why I restricted my comments to PCs only. With a single user PC, >> it is extremely unlikely to make a significant difference > > Until you add that second hard drive. Actually, I'm using six. -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: cd rom wont work
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 20:10:05 +0100, Joe9747 wrote: > my cd rom will play dvds but wont read any other kind of cd? > name=GENERATOR> my cd rom will play dvds but wont read any > other kind of cd? A DVD is not a kind of CD. -- Best Regards, | Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into Sebastian | your ~/.signature to help me spread! | | mailbox in "From" silently drops any mail > 20k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 19:00:47 +0100, Joseph A. Nagy wrote: > Subject: Sound Problems With Debian 3.0r1 testing/unstable Debian 3.0 is no longer unstable ;-) > I have ARTS, ESD, and Alsa installed. The only program that has sound > (so far) is XMMS which uses the OSS Sound Driver. Other apps such as > GAIM and GnomeMeeting have no sound at all. Sharing the soundcard can be tricky. In general, only one program at a time is in charge of the sound device. That means one user program like XMMS or one sound server (ESD or aRts) and its sound clients. (That's only part of the story -- some soundcards have multiple channels, and allow more than one program at a time to make sound; also, the modern ALSA drivers can do software mixing. Google search terms: asoundrc dmix.) > GAIM is set to use Arts (although it is equally soundless using ESD) Sound server running? > and Gnomemeeting is set to use /dev/dsp0 (although it is equally > soundless with /dev/dsp1). > > I just recently upgraded to the latest alsa-base from testing/unstable. > Any idea's what is going on? alsa-base does not contain any sound drivers. alsa-base is the init.d script which loads sound drivers (and a few other technical details). Do you have an alsa-modules package installed which matches your kernel? (I assume you're running a 2.4 series kernel. 2.6 has ALSA built in.) Once you have installed the alsa-modules package, you can run dpkg-reconfigure alsa-base to select your sound driver. After that, make sure your user account is member of the audio group. (You have to re-login for the group changes to take effect.) Now you should at least get XMMS to work with raw ALSA and OSS. -- Best Regards, | Hi! I'm a .signature virus. Copy me into Sebastian | your ~/.signature to help me spread! | | mailbox in "From" silently drops any mail > 20k -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MAKEDEV problem
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 07:10:36PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:48:10PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote: > | Just did an install of sarge via the beta debian-installer image, and > | MAKEDEV is telling me this: > | > | /sbin/MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found > > This looks like it is supposed to be a shell script, and in the shell > script is an assignment line. However, the '-' there can not be part > of a variable name, so the shell thinks that is a command. Which, > naturally, is not found. I've been looking at the /sbin/MAKEDEV script and have come to the same realization. The loop reads items from /proc/devices, and in that file, we find: Block devices: 1 ramdisk 3 ide0 22 ide1 254 device-mapper Apparently MAKEDEV never expects to see an item with a hyphen in the name. > Somehow your script is incorrect. That script is part of the > 'makedev' package. Try reinstalling that package and see if the > script changes. The latest versions on both sarge and sid seem to be the same, which is the same version I have installed. I just stumbled upon something though - I looked through loaded kernel modules and saw one called "dm_mod" (the "dm" apparently standing for device mapper), which I removed. Now it works! device-mapper disappeared from /proc/devices, and MAKEDEV works like normal. Awesome. :) Now, I wonder exactly whose bug this is... -- Nick Welch aka mackstann | mack @ incise.org | http://incise.org An American's a person who isn't afraid to criticize the president but is always polite to traffic cops. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: MAKEDEV problem
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:48:10PM -0600, Nick Welch wrote:
| Just did an install of sarge via the beta debian-installer image, and
| MAKEDEV is telling me this:
|
| /sbin/MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found
This looks like it is supposed to be a shell script, and in the shell
script is an assignment line. However, the '-' there can not be part
of a variable name, so the shell thinks that is a command. Which,
naturally, is not found.
Somehow your script is incorrect. That script is part of the
'makedev' package. Try reinstalling that package and see if the
script changes.
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RE: USB watches [Currently a work in progress, but mostly working]
> > Andrew Pritchard wrote: > > I was given a rather funky Xmas present - a USB flashdrive/watch > > (http://www.memixdirect.com) which says it's bootable. It also claims to be > > Linux 2.4 compatible, though I've not yet tried connecting it to a Linux > > box. > > At 256 mb, that's big enough to include a full debian installation on > the watch. You should be able to fit debian and maybe X and some > personal files (gpg key?) on there. Unfortunately it's only the 128mb version. Still far larger than I will probably need. Would have been nice to have the USB 2.0 interface though. > Another option is that debian's next-generation installation system can > use such a USB drive as install media instead of a CDROM. You can then > boot many computers from your watch, and do a debian install on them. > This would eat about 128 MB and could be made to cooexist with other > uses of the watch with some work; see > http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/ for details. I don't need to install debian, just access the files on the watch whilst on a machine who's only OS doesn't support USB - let alone USB flash drives. > > I'd also like to create a bootdisk, which has a Linux kernel on it as my NT > > box at work won't talk to anything USB (gaahh we hatee NT! *sorry - been > > watching too much LotR*). Specifically so it can talk to the NTFS partition > > on my machine at work. Alternatively I'll repartition the machine and create > > a FAT partition so Linux can talk to that. The machine at work isn't new > > enough to be able to boot from a USB device :( > > > > Has anyone tried either/both of these? Can anyone give me some pointers > > about where to start with either of these projects? > > Joey Hess said: > > The debian-installer project includes a boot floppy which has the > necessary USB drivers. You boot from the floppy, and it will find a USB > device with an initrd.gz on it, then mount the initrd and chroot into > it, and run its init. While this is intended to boot d-i in > circumstances like you describe, there's no reason you could not build > your own initrd.gz with anything you like in it and boot it this way. Thanks Joey - I was dreading trying to create a disk. I've mangled the floppy-image's initrd.gz so that it now starts the rudimentry shell (ash I think), and mounts the usb partition on /usb. How can I get the system to default to a UK keyboard when I'm booting like this? How can I get bash into the initrd.gz? How can I get it to support NTFS natively, so I don't have to have a 128mb partition on my work machine? (I know NTFS read/write is a bit dodge, but it's not going to be doing anything to the system volume, and I can loose what's on the drive without too much worry) And in the process learnt some more things about Linux, at a lower level than before. Which is definitely a good thing. The new installer looks really cool - keep up the good work guys and gals. > > Hoping you all had a Merry Christmas, and going to have a happy new year! > > No toys that fun (and I don't like wearing a watch).. Hope you have fun > with it! Certainly intend to. Means I can now carry albums of mp3's into work. And I can access my college work from my usb watch, at work. Cheers, Andrew -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:38:23PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:36:03PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:53:11 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > > Whether the *battle* is something you care about... that's for you to > > > decide. > > > > Which is why I restricted my comments to PCs only. With a single user PC, > > it is extremely unlikely to make a significant difference > > Until you add that second hard drive. Of course with a 200 or 250 Gig IDE hard disk, you're much less likely to need to do that :) I don't think there's an affordable (for a home user) way to get that much storage and performance with any number of SCSI drives. 200 Gig Western Digital 7200 RPM with 8M buffer: $239 CDN 18 Gig Maxtor Atlas 3 1 RPM: $179 CDN 36 Gig Maxtor Atlas 4 1 RPM: $249 CDN 73 Gig Maxtor Atlas 4 1 RPM: $539 CDN 146 Gig Maxtor Atlas 4 1 RPM: $1099 CDN Prices from microbytes.com. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: XP-LINUX Dual Boot - Still have problems
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 05:45:32PM -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > I also tried GRUB with GRUB installed on /dev/hda which is my first hard > disk. Upon rebooting the words GRUB were printed at the top left corner of > the screen and the machine simply hung after that. To install grub I would do the following: Make sure your menu.lst file contains entries for linux and windows. In my case this is: title Debian bf2.4 root(hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4 root=/dev/hda1 hdc=ide-scsi title Debian 2.6.0 root(hd0,0) kernel /boot/vmlinuz-2.6.0 root=/dev/hda1 title Low-level Format root(hd0,3) chainloader +1 but in your case it would be something like: title Debian root(hd1,0) kernel /boot/name-of-kernel root=/dev/hdb1 title Windows root(hd0,0) chainloader +1 Then to install grub you would boot into Debian and run grub. Then enter the following commands: root (hd1,0)This indicates that grub files are on /dev/hdb1 setup (hd0) This indicates that grub should install on /dev/hda Grub needs to know where its files are stored. When your computer boots the part of grub in the MBR of /dev/hda is loaded and then it needs to load the rest of grub. If it doesn't know where that is it will just sit there. The files grub needs are in the /boot/grub/ directory of your Debian partition. Hope that helps, Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
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Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 02:36:03PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:53:11 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > > Whether the *battle* is something you care about... that's for you to > > decide. > > Which is why I restricted my comments to PCs only. With a single user PC, > it is extremely unlikely to make a significant difference Until you add that second hard drive. -- Marc Wilson | You never go anywhere without your soul. [EMAIL PROTECTED] | -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knode: fonts appear double-spaced.
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 01:09:44PM -0800, Ross Boylan wrote: > I think this means that xterm -fa uses FreeType2 and the configuration > in /etc/fonts/. And I think this means you're wrong, since: rei $ ldd /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm libXft.so.1 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXft.so.1 (0x40025000) libfreetype.so.6 => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 (0x4004f000) libXrender.so.1 => /usr/lib/libXrender.so.1 (0x400bb000) libXaw.so.7 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXaw.so.7 (0x400c4000) libXmu.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXmu.so.6 (0x4011f000) libXt.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXt.so.6 (0x40135000) libSM.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libSM.so.6 (0x40186000) libICE.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libICE.so.6 (0x4018f000) libXpm.so.4 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXpm.so.4 (0x401a6000) libXext.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libXext.so.6 (0x401b6000) libX11.so.6 => /usr/X11R6/lib/libX11.so.6 (0x401c4000) libncurses.so.5 => /lib/libncurses.so.5 (0x4028a000) libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x402c9000) libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x403fb000) libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4040d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x4000) Funny how it looks like xterm is using Xft1, isn't it? Xterm doesn't start using Xft2 until XF430. Xterm couldn't care less about what fontconfig thinks it can see. Xterm cares a whole lot about what Xft1 can see. -- Marc Wilson | If you keep your mind sufficiently open, people will [EMAIL PROTECTED] | throw a lot of rubbish into it. -- William Orton -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Unable to boot new kernel 2.6.0
Hi All, I have installed the new kernel deb package 2.6.0 and after configuring lilo and rebooting I am not able to boot the machine successfully. I am getting the following error: VFS:Cannot open root device "301" or unknwon-block(3,1) Please append a correct "root=" boot option Kernel panic:VFS:Unable to mount root fs or unknown-block(3,1) - And the system just hangs there. I am using sid distribution. Any help from you will be highly appreciated, thanks. --SmB This is my simple /etc/lilo.conf here which looks like the following: -- lba32 boot=/dev/hda root=/dev/hda1 install=/boot/boot.b map=/boot/map delay=20 vga=normal default=Linux #image=/boot/vmlinuz-2.2.19 image=/boot/vmlinuz label=Linux append="root=/dev/hda1" read-only image=/vmlinuz.old label=Linux\ (old) read-only # restricted # alias=1 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly failed Hard-Disk-Upgrade
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 21:57 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: > > --QTprm0S8XgL7H0Dt > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:47:18AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 12:48 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: >> > Personally I use DD to copy but I know others like cp -a ;-) >> >> I tried to use dd to copy a 2GB hard drive onto a 20GB drive, and the >> system saw the end result as a 2GB, presumably due to filesystem >> metadata. This was ext2. Has this not been a problem for you? >> > Hi Monque, > Huh? > you do not DD a 2 GB ext2 partition to a 20 GB drive and get a 20 GB > ext2 partition. you get a 2GB ext2 partition and an 18 GB unused partition. > So you have to either RESIZE 2->20 or you (for example) fdisk and mkfs > to the 18GB and then move some of the DIR to the new 18gb (for example > /var/ or /home). > YMMV. This was over a year ago, but iirc, even fdisk and friends showed a 2GB partition with no additional space on the disk. -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: dpkg/ucf hang (was: Re: [users] Problem in starting OOo and its reinstallation)
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 03:43:32PM -0500, Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 12:02:58PM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: > | Stephen Liu([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: > | > | > One problem I have encountered - during debconf when it came to; > He did, most likely. > | > Then I ran; > | > # dpkg --configure -a > It hanged here again. > > There's a bug, somewhere, that I just discovered last night and this > morning. > > The process (in my case it was 'ucf' for both packages) gets stuck in > the Sleeping state and doesn't receive any keyboard input. > > I don't know what the bug is, but I do know the two ways I worked around it : > a) when ucf hangs, look at the command line parameters using > pstree or gnome-system-monitor. run it manually and update > the config file so that ucf/dpkg doesn't detect a difference > and doesn't prompt you > > b) edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/PKG.postinst to remove the invocation > of ucf on the config file that is different and you don't want > changed anyways > > Of course, the applicability of these workarounds depends on what the > config file is, what you want to do with it, and how the package is > organized. > > > Based on Stephen's description, I think the following programs are not > to blame : > aptitude, xterm, dselect, konsole > but these haven't been ruled out : > dpkg, ucf > I know that running ucf manually does not reveal the issue. > > HTH, > -D Hi folks, I've had some 'configure' issues that may/may not be related. I tried these for debugging. first, did: dpkg --debug= -i /var/cache/apt/packages/kdm.deb 2>&1 | more then noticed it displays info about an error in kdm.postinst. so, I edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.postinst. It has at to 'set -e' which I remove and added: set -v this displays the scripts output so that you can see more info. BUT after you do a 'dpkg -i' you need to do 'dpkg --configure -a' and NOT another 'dpkg -i' because 'dpkg -i' will OVERRIGHT the changes to /var/lib/dpkg/info/kdm.postinst. HTH -Kev HTH signature.asc Description: Digital signature
XP-LINUX Dual Boot - Still have problems
Hi: I have a Dell Dimension 8300 which came preloaded with XP on the first hard drive. I added a second hard drive and installed Debian Woody on it. I installed LILO with MBR on /dev/hdb1 which is my / partition. I made a dos boot CD using instructions at bblcd and used loadlin to boot into linux. Then I used the following command to create a linux.bin file dd if=/dev/hdb1 of=/linux.bin bs=512 count=1 I copied linux.bin to /dev/hdb4 which is my vfat partition. I rebooted the machine and logged in as root into XP. I copied the file linux.bin to C: and added the following entry to boot.ini C:\linux.bin="Debian Linux" I rebooted again and selected "Debian Linux" from the menu. I got a bunch of 0s and 7s filling up my whole screen but it never booted into linux. I also tried GRUB with GRUB installed on /dev/hda which is my first hard disk. Upon rebooting the words GRUB were printed at the top left corner of the screen and the machine simply hung after that. Ctrl-Alt-Delete got me out of that and I used the XP recovery console to fix my MBR and restored the machine so I could boot XP. I can boot into linux using my dos cd and loadlin but would like to boot into it without having to do this. Oh and I did upgrade my bios but the problem persists. Any help with dual booting XP and Linux with XP boot loader will be much appreciated. Regards Abhay -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly failed Hard-Disk-Upgrade
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:47:18AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 12:48 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: > > Personally I use DD to copy but I know others like cp -a ;-) > > I tried to use dd to copy a 2GB hard drive onto a 20GB drive, and the > system saw the end result as a 2GB, presumably due to filesystem > metadata. This was ext2. Has this not been a problem for you? > > -- > monique Hi Monque, Huh? ===| |= | | 2G |-->|2G ===| |- |18G | | | |= you do not DD a 2 GB ext2 partition to a 20 GB drive and get a 20 GB ext2 partition. you get a 2GB ext2 partition and an 18 GB unused partition. So you have to either RESIZE 2->20 or you (for example) fdisk and mkfs to the 18GB and then move some of the DIR to the new 18gb (for example /var/ or /home). YMMV. -Kev signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: apt-get files problems
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 14:19:53 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 at 22:29 GMT, Paul Morgan penned: >> >> A bit of trivia: For any given manufacturer of both IDE and SCSI >> disks, the disks themselves are often (usually) mechanically >> identical, whether IDE or SCSI. It's just the controllers which are >> different. >> > > I ran this past my fiancé, Eric Mudama, who works in the hard drive > business, and here's what he had to say. Hope it helps. > > [quote] > Okay, here are the facts: > > 1. mechanically, current generation IDE and SCSI drives are *not* > identical, not even close. The SCSI HDA, required to spin at 10k, > 15k, or 22k RPM is a *much* different beast. They may have been > identical back 4-5 years ago when Seagate was shipping 7200 RPM IDE > and SCSI drives, but those drives dont exist anymore. The WD Raptor > (10k SATA) has no equivalent SCSI product, so there is still no > common-mechanics IDE/SCSI drive in production today (that I am aware > of). Thanks, Monique, I'm five years behind the times as usual :) Interesting post, please thank your fiancé for his time -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:42:11AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 17:15 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
> >
> > Even with huge internet links, radio is a problem. My corp has
> > upwards of 50,000 PCs, you can imagine the problem and associated cost
> > if rules weren't strict and the penalties non-trivial ("not excluding
> > termination")
> >
> > If you're at work, and you're stealing your company resources (or your
> > time for which your company has paid you) for personal reasons, you're
> > a thief, no two ways about it.
> >
>
> I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and
> save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio
> stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as
> wanted it?
>
> I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the
> legalities. Just a thought.
It works as long as everyone's willing to listen to the same thing :-)
Or, to put it another way, you need N users per "proxy" stream, where
N is a number greater than, say, 4, to make it worthwhile. Obviously
there's still a upper bound on how many proxy streams you can support.
Realaudio made (and possibly still makes) a proxy for their audio
streaming format. It wasn't cheap when I looked at it a few years
ago. There are free alternatives like icecast if you're streaming
mp3s (which may have other legal issues for a company ...)
Howeer, all this assumes that you have plenty of internal bandwidth,
and are only squeezed on external bandwidth. Many companies do not
have an excess of internal bandwidth: think a company with many sites
connected by fractional DS-1 links.
Cheers,
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Re: Upgrading from stable to testing with apt-get?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:21:40 -0500, Anthony DiSante wrote: > > ...and it makes me think that I can put lines into /etc/apt/preferences > and/or /etc/apt/apt.conf that will cause "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade me to > the testing release. Is that correct? If so, exactly what do I need to put > into those files? Currently, neither of those files exist on my system. > Further to my post (I forgot this bit): After editing your sources.list, run: apt-get update apt-get dist-upgrade and you're done. -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get files problems
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:55:04AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 at 19:49 GMT, A.L.Meyers penned: > > "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has a .list file for every package > >> on your system. I'm guessing that's what apt is looking for. > > > > Bingo, Monique. And precisely that directory entry apparently was on > > one of the bad blocks on that partition (IDE drive about 4 years old - > > now I know why the old wizzards always prefer SCSI). And my backups > > with the undamaged data are too old compared to the state of packages > > before the disk read errors began to multiply. In addition to running > > fsck on the file system, I have shifted /var to the partition which > > used to be /opt and vice-versa, as the latter partition has (not yet) > > exhibited read errors and /opt under Debian can live on smaller space. > > After the year-end financial ebb, maybe I shall plunk down enough cash > > to replace the IDE drive with magneto-optical disks. One ouch is > > enough. > > > > Anyway, lamentation leads nowhere. How can I get apt to regenerate > > those *.list files, please? > > > > This, I don't know =/ I also don't know if the .list files are > generated or just sucked out of the .deb packages ... > > Anyone? > > -- > monique Hi Folks, from my understanding, after you download a .deb, it is unpacked. the unpacking produces the files is /var/lib/dpkg/info. and these files are called before and after the package is installed. think pre-remove,pre-install, post-remove,post-install. So, re-installing via apt-get or dpkg will produce them as well as apt-get a new version. But there may be some other ways. YMMV -Kev signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Upgrading from stable to testing with apt-get?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:21:40 -0500, Anthony DiSante wrote: > Hello, > ...and it makes me think that I can put lines into /etc/apt/preferences > and/or /etc/apt/apt.conf that will cause "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade me to > the testing release. Is that correct? If so, exactly what do I need to put > into those files? Currently, neither of those files exist on my system. > You need to edit the following file: /etc/apt/sources.list Comment out the lines for stable, and add the same lines (except the "security" one), replacing "stable" with "sarge". You could use "testing" instead of "sarge", but "sarge" is safer: when "sarge" becomes stable, you won't suddenly get a huge upgrade as sid becomes testing. Example (my file; I'm running sarge(testing): pooh:~# cat /etc/apt/sources.list # deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib # deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ stable main non-free contrib # deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free # deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US stable/non-US main contrib non-free # deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main contrib non-free deb http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib deb-src http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/ sarge main non-free contrib deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free deb-src http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Getting the penguin on linux 2.6
On 28. December 2003 at 1:29PM -0800, Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Dec 27, 2003 at 07:16:56AM +0800, csj wrote: > > Any pointers? > > Don't sweat the chrome if it otherwise just works. Well, I just found out that the names of some linux 2.4 .config OPTIONS= changed a little in 2.6 so that they weren't automagically reinserted by make *config, e.g.: 2.4 --> CONFIG_FBCON_CFB16=y 2.6 --> CONFIG_FONT_8x16=y Otherwise it just works. Moral of the story: don't just blindly stick in your old .config when configuring a new kernel release. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Warning: /boot/System.map-2.2.20 does not match kernel data.
helo everyone. i just installed debian stable unto an old pentium pro, and
all seemed to go well. however, when i do a ps aux, i get the following
warning:
{module_list} {module_list_R__ver_module_list}
Warning: /boot/System.map-2.2.20 does not match kernel data.
what'd i do wrong? is this a problem and is there some way to correct it?
thanks in advance,
daryl
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Re: lilo fails, /dev/sda not readable
Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 3:05pm, Andrés Roldán wrote: > > :Add the line: > : > :disk=/dev/sda inaccessible > : > :to the lilo.conf file. > > Thanks! That fixed it. But why does lilo care about /dev/sda in the > first place? If you see the output of lilo -v5 you will notice that LILO tries to read all the possible disks on the system. For the last days, the use of of extraible devices has grown among the users and for a strange reason (may it a device driver problem or a LILO problem itself), LILO gets confused when trying to access the device. I will take time off to solve this problem as soon as possible. > > Patrick > > :Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > : > :> Hello: > :> > :> I've been away from this list for a while. Happy New Year to everyone! > :> > :> I've recently compiled a new kernel, 2.4.22, the "Debian way," but when I > :> go to install it, lilo bails out with the error: > :> > :> Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sda not readable > :> > :> I get the same error when I try to 'downgrade' to the previous > :> kernel_image, which had successfully installed before. > :> > :> My lilo.conf makes only a commented reference to /dev/sda, and > :> boot=/dev/hda. I have recently acquired a USB Mass Storage device, which > :> is at /dev/sda1 when mounted, but it's not mounted at the moment. I had > :> successfully recompiled and installed a kernel which recognized the > :> device. (This latest compilation was to add a wireless PCMCIA card; other > :> than that I changed nothing.) > :> > :> My system is 'testing'. I have version 22.5.8 of lilo. > :> > :> A Google attempt turned up nothing except a few problems with people > :> putting the MBR on /dev/sda, which is not my situation. > :> > :> Hoping someone can help, > :> > :> Patrick > :> > :> -- > :> Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* > :> > :> > :> -- > :> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > :> > : > : > > -- > Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrés Roldán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key-ID: 0xB29396EB http://people.fluidsignal.com/~aroldan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: apt-get files problems
On Sun, 28 Dec 2003 at 22:29 GMT, Paul Morgan penned: > > A bit of trivia: For any given manufacturer of both IDE and SCSI > disks, the disks themselves are often (usually) mechanically > identical, whether IDE or SCSI. It's just the controllers which are > different. > I ran this past my fiancé, Eric Mudama, who works in the hard drive business, and here's what he had to say. Hope it helps. [quote] Okay, here are the facts: 1. mechanically, current generation IDE and SCSI drives are *not* identical, not even close. The SCSI HDA, required to spin at 10k, 15k, or 22k RPM is a *much* different beast. They may have been identical back 4-5 years ago when Seagate was shipping 7200 RPM IDE and SCSI drives, but those drives dont exist anymore. The WD Raptor (10k SATA) has no equivalent SCSI product, so there is still no common-mechanics IDE/SCSI drive in production today (that I am aware of). 2. electrically, the SCSI disks are different too. They have a greater profit margin where performance is concern #1, so the read channel bandwidth is about 20% higher than what exists in IDE today. This is why you can read the top SCSI drives at 79MB/sec and the top IDE drives at 65MB/sec. (There are other differences too, but channel bandwidth is the #1 electrical difference.) As far as reliability I believe they're nearly identical from what I understand. However, we have *much* more test time on IDE drives vs SCSI drives (since we build and sell 100x as many IDE drives as SCSI drives), so I think our reliability predictions on IDE are much more accurate in the long run. Not sure if this matters. There is no proof that SCSI disks last longer. We have IDE drives that last over 10 or 15 years too. SCSI can give a simultaneous command to every drive on the bus, to have all 7 (or 15) drives seeking at the same time. IDE is not capable of this without queueing. However, the processor load difference is minimal. It does, however, mean that with 2 typical IDE drives on the same cable, that reads on both drives are serialized, whereas in SCSI they may not be. However, this also requires driver support to actually issue commands to both at the same time, and I'm not sure which motherboards will actually do this. I've never tried to time-correlate bus analyzer traces on multiple cables at the same time. If you put the IDE drives on different cables (or use SATA, or use command queueing), this is basically moot (but still comes down to the driver.) As far as processor bandwidth used, IDE drives using DMA are really low on processor utilization, so the old concern about "IDE wastes the processor" is currently not accurate, though it used to be. SCSI is even lower overhead, but not by that much... certainly not something most people would notice on most machines, at least they won't notice more than the huge price difference... IDE is 1/2 to 1/5 the cost per gigabyte, and nearly the same performance for most users who are doing anything except full-pack random-read workloads. (database server, news server, etc) In those cases, the more-expensive magnets and shorter actuator arm in SCSI HDAs (Head/Disk Assembly... basically everything but the electronics you see on the surface of the drive) give better random seek performance, which leads to better random read performance. Random write performance in IDE with write-cache enabled is equal to SCSI performance since rotational latency doesn't matter for writes due to rotational latency reordering of the write cache. [/quote] -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly failed Hard-Disk-Upgrade
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 20:04 GMT, Joris penned: > Monique Y. Herman verraste ons met de boodschap: > >> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 12:48 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: >>> Personally I use DD to copy but I know others like cp -a ;-) >> >> I tried to use dd to copy a 2GB hard drive onto a 20GB drive, and the >> system saw the end result as a 2GB, presumably due to filesystem >> metadata. This was ext2. Has this not been a problem for you? > > 'e2fsck -f /dev/ && resize2fs -f /dev/' should do the > trick , Neat! I'll have to try that next time. Thank you! -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Upgrading from stable to testing with apt-get?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 16:21:40 -0500 Anthony DiSante <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > ... > ...and/or /etc/apt/apt.conf that will cause "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade me to > the testing release. Is that correct? If so, exactly what do I need to put > into those files? Currently, neither of those files exist on my system. If the box has a connection to the internet all you need to do is the following: 1) Open as root the file /etc/apt/sources.list with your favorite editor and uncomment or add if missing the folowing lines. deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian sarge main contrib non-free deb http://non-us.debian.org/debian-non-US sarge/non-US main contrib non-free deb http://security.debian.org sarge/updates main contrib non-free WATCH for the sarge word instead of woody or stable, this tells apt-get which is the release you want. Comment any other line in the file. 2) As root run apt-get update. 3) Again as root run apt-get dist-upgrade, sit back have a smoke or whatever you fancy, and watch your old reliable Woody turn into a lean mean Sarge ;-) Somebody correct me if I'm wrong please. Luck. - -- Ing. Hugo S. Carrer Laboratorio de Comunicaciones Digitales UNC Tel./Fax: +54 351-4334147 Int.105 http://lcd.efn.uncor.edu - -- Gpg key: http://lcd.efn.uncor.edu/pubkeys/hsc_key.pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/8J9xQs83SACVjQQRAkDxAKCZTSRAyVvECmG6Rek/DlqfLwyHLwCfVGT9 SzysgCpSnVe6eSBbjp9UsTk= =5CsB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: X refuses to load nVidia module
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:18:40PM -0500, Bradley M Alexander wrote: > I just built a sid box from bare metal last week, and am having problems > getting the nVidia drivers to load. I tried this under 2.4.23 and 2.6.0, > and in both cases, the module refuses to load. At this point, I'm not sure > if it is a module loader problem or within X. X itself is reporting: Almost every box I own uses the nvidia driver. How did you build the driver? Are you using the Debian packages? If so, which version of the packages (both nvidia-kernel and nvidia-glx)? > This happens whether I load the module by hand or not. The nvidia devices > (nvidia[0123] and nvidiactl) exist in /dev. When you load the module manually, does it show in the output of lsmod? -- Jamin W. Collins Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored. --Aldous Huxley, "Proper Studies", 1927 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Upgrading from stable to testing with apt-get?
Hello, I've been using Slackware for a little over a year now, and have loved it except for one thing: installing programs. Most of the time it goes just fine, but the 10% or 20% of the time when it doesn't, it's incredibly frustrating. After spending an entire day last week trying to get TuxRacer (and its dependencies) installed, I decided to try Debian. I used jigdo-lite to make CDs of the first two discs for "stable" (3.0r2). That's all up and running, and of course it's really old. I want to upgrade to "testing" but I'm not exactly sure how. I'm currently at this page: ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sarge/jigdo/ ...and I see that there are 12 ISO images for i386. I'm downloading them now with jigdo-lite (I'm on disc 4!), but I think there's got to be a better way using apt-get. So I came across this thread: http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2002/debian-user-200202/msg01764.html ...and it makes me think that I can put lines into /etc/apt/preferences and/or /etc/apt/apt.conf that will cause "apt-get upgrade" to upgrade me to the testing release. Is that correct? If so, exactly what do I need to put into those files? Currently, neither of those files exist on my system. Thanks, Anthony http://nodivisions.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MAKEDEV problem, and 2.6 kernel-related sound problem
Just did an install of sarge via the beta debian-installer image, and MAKEDEV is telling me this: /sbin/MAKEDEV: line 1: major_device-mapper=254: command not found I've updated and then uninstalled libdevmapper1.00 and it has no effect, and that's the only related package I could really find. makedev package is up to date. I've done an install off of these disks before, and this problem never appeared, so I don't think they're related in any way. I initially found this when trying to figure out how to get sound working on 2.6 (the 2.6.0-test9 package). I have loaded every sound-related module known to man and still don't have any sound; I noticed that I have no /dev/sound directory, and went to create it, but alas, MAKEDEV won't work. So, any ideas? (Cc me please) -- Nick Welch aka mackstann | mack @ incise.org | http://incise.org You can't have your cake and let your neighbor eat it too. -- Ayn Rand -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
X refuses to load nVidia module
I just built a sid box from bare metal last week, and am having problems getting the nVidia drivers to load. I tried this under 2.4.23 and 2.6.0, and in both cases, the module refuses to load. At this point, I'm not sure if it is a module loader problem or within X. X itself is reporting: XFree86 Version 4.2.1.1 (Debian 4.2.1-14 20031113215638 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) / X Window System (protocol Version 11, revision 0, vendor release 6600) Release Date: 18 October 2002 ... Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.22-rc2 i686 [ELF] Module Loader present Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting, (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational, (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown. (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Mon Dec 29 16:10:13 2003 (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4" Then there pages of Not loading .note.GNU-stack Not loading .note.GNU-stack ...and finally... (EE) Failed to load module "nvidia" (module does not exist, 0) Not loading .note.GNU-stack (EE) No drivers available. Fatal server error: no screens found This happens whether I load the module by hand or not. The nvidia devices (nvidia[0123] and nvidiactl) exist in /dev. Since this is happening on the 2.4 kernel as well as 2.6, it has to be a common system, but I can't find the problem. The nv driver works fine, though. Any ideas? Thanks, -- --Brad Bradley M. Alexander| gTLD SysAdmin, Security Engineer| storm [at] tux.org Key fingerprints: DSA 0x54434E65: 37F6 BCA6 621D 920C E02E E3C8 73B2 C019 5443 4E65 RSA 0xC3BCBA91: 3F 0E 26 C1 90 14 AD 0A C8 9C F0 93 75 A0 01 34 Your threat environment should dictate your security posture. You generally don't see Mayberry-style small-town police forces toting automatic weapons and anti-aircraft missiles. By the same token, a sling and stones hasn't worked in a combat environment since David's time and he had God's help. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sis900 module will not load on boot
I knew it was more simple than what I was trying to do :-) Thanks for the response and simple solution. I will give it a try. --- Albert Dengg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:10:54 -0800 (PST) > ope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > ... > > However, if I 'modprobe sis900' the module loads > > without any errors and the network is available. > So > > the module is installed and in working order, it > is > > just not getting loaded when the system boots. > How > > can I fix it so that the sis900 module is loaded > when > > the system boots? > ... > Hi > do "echo sis900 >>/etc/modules" to load the module > at boot time > > yours > Albert > > -- > Albert Dengg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > ATTACHMENT part 2 application/pgp-signature __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: knode: fonts appear double-spaced.
For those following along at home, I may have left the wrong impression. I mentioned XftConfig for my font configuration, but that's actually the earlier version of font configuration. /etc/fonts/ and the fontconfig package are the successors. I'm not sure which of these, if either, xterm uses, either alone or with the -fa option. Gnome2 and KDE3 both use fontconfig. xterm depends on libfreetype6, which I think means it uses the freetype2 (sic) engine, which uses fontconfig. (The earlier version, freetype1, had a .so version of 2, and so was packaged as libfreetype2!). I think this means that xterm -fa uses FreeType2 and the configuration in /etc/fonts/. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody
Thanks. I've looked it up, and I'm not as confused anymore :) On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 15:51:29 -0500 "Frederic Lavoie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > have a look to this page. > > http://www.debian.org/releases/ > > --- > Frédéric Lavoie > Gatineau (Hull), Quebec > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > http://www.clubphotopolarise.org -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Woody
have a look to this page. http://www.debian.org/releases/ --- Frédéric Lavoie Gatineau (Hull), Quebec [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.clubphotopolarise.org - Original Message - From: "Christian Wiedel" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 29, 2003 3:43 PM Subject: Woody > Hi. > I'm a bit confused. > > What's the difference between Woody and Sarge? > Is it just a differnet name for two versions? I can't find it on Debians homepage... > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Woody
Hi. I'm a bit confused. What's the difference between Woody and Sarge? Is it just a differnet name for two versions? I can't find it on Debians homepage... -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lilo fails, /dev/sda not readable
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 3:05pm, Andrés Roldán wrote: :Add the line: : :disk=/dev/sda inaccessible : :to the lilo.conf file. Thanks! That fixed it. But why does lilo care about /dev/sda in the first place? Patrick :Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: : :> Hello: :> :> I've been away from this list for a while. Happy New Year to everyone! :> :> I've recently compiled a new kernel, 2.4.22, the "Debian way," but when I :> go to install it, lilo bails out with the error: :> :> Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sda not readable :> :> I get the same error when I try to 'downgrade' to the previous :> kernel_image, which had successfully installed before. :> :> My lilo.conf makes only a commented reference to /dev/sda, and :> boot=/dev/hda. I have recently acquired a USB Mass Storage device, which :> is at /dev/sda1 when mounted, but it's not mounted at the moment. I had :> successfully recompiled and installed a kernel which recognized the :> device. (This latest compilation was to add a wireless PCMCIA card; other :> than that I changed nothing.) :> :> My system is 'testing'. I have version 22.5.8 of lilo. :> :> A Google attempt turned up nothing except a few problems with people :> putting the MBR on /dev/sda, which is not my situation. :> :> Hoping someone can help, :> :> Patrick :> :> -- :> Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* :> :> :> -- :> To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] :> : : -- Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
dpkg/ucf hang (was: Re: [users] Problem in starting OOo and its reinstallation)
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 12:02:58PM -0500, Wayne Topa wrote: | Stephen Liu([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said: | | > One problem I have encountered - during debconf when it came to; | > Configuration file `/etc/foomatic/filter.conf' | > ==> File on system created by you or by a script. | > ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. | >What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: | > Y or I : install the package maintainer's version | > N or O : keep your currently-installed version | > D : show the differences between the versions | > Z : start a new shell to examine the situation | > The default action is to keep your current version. | > *** filter.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? | > D/Y/N and (I tried all of them) | | Oh boy. (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) means you enter 1 (one) of the letters and only | 1 (one). Usually enter only will be what you want to do. He did, most likely. | > It hanged there compelling me to close the Koncole window. | I don't doubt it. | > Then I ran; | > # dpkg --configure -a | > Setting up foomatic-filters (3.0.0-20031207-1) ... | > Configuration file `/etc/foomatic/filter.conf' | > ==> File on system created by you or by a script. | > ==> File also in package provided by package maintainer. | >What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: | > Y or I : install the package maintainer's version | > N or O : keep your currently-installed version | > D : show the differences between the versions | > Z : start a new shell to examine the situation | > The default action is to keep your current version. | > *** filter.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? D/Y/N and (I tried all | > of them). It hanged here again. There's a bug, somewhere, that I just discovered last night and this morning. The process (in my case it was 'ucf' for both packages) gets stuck in the Sleeping state and doesn't receive any keyboard input. I don't know what the bug is, but I do know the two ways I worked around it : a) when ucf hangs, look at the command line parameters using pstree or gnome-system-monitor. run it manually and update the config file so that ucf/dpkg doesn't detect a difference and doesn't prompt you b) edit /var/lib/dpkg/info/PKG.postinst to remove the invocation of ucf on the config file that is different and you don't want changed anyways Of course, the applicability of these workarounds depends on what the config file is, what you want to do with it, and how the package is organized. Based on Stephen's description, I think the following programs are not to blame : aptitude, xterm, dselect, konsole but these haven't been ruled out : dpkg, ucf I know that running ucf manually does not reveal the issue. HTH, -D PS. Stephen: sometimes things don't work quite right when running unstable. I recommend not running unstable unless : 1) you know what you are doing and how debian is organized (and can debug and workaround such issues yourself) or 2) the system isn't terribly important and you can leave it in a broken state until someone else fixes the bug or 3) you like learning to swim by jumping in the deep end (see #1) FWIW I run a testing+unstable mix and accept the fact that the latest and greatest sometimes has problems and I can deal with them. It works well for me. -- One OS to rule them all, one OS to find them, One OS to bring them all and in the darkness bind them, In the Land of Redmond, where the Shadows lie. www: http://dman13.dyndns.org/~dman/jabber: [EMAIL PROTECTED] signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: sis900 module will not load on boot
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 12:10:54 -0800 (PST) ope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: ... > However, if I 'modprobe sis900' the module loads > without any errors and the network is available. So > the module is installed and in working order, it is > just not getting loaded when the system boots. How > can I fix it so that the sis900 module is loaded when > the system boots? ... Hi do "echo sis900 >>/etc/modules" to load the module at boot time yours Albert -- Albert Dengg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: on ./configure I get a gcc C Compiler error: what am I missing ??
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 08:58:43PM +0100, Axel Burwitz wrote: > Now: > when I want to do: "./configure" in the sources directory, I get the error > message > > "error: C compiler cannot create executables" I think this may be because you are missing libc6-dev. Without it you can't compile anything that needs the C library, which is pretty much everything. (Well except the kernel, ...). So apt-get install libc6-dev. Of course you could have found this out by searching google for: debian C compiler cannot create executables Or searching through the list archives. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Slightly failed Hard-Disk-Upgrade
Monique Y. Herman verraste ons met de boodschap: > On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 12:48 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: >> Personally I use DD to copy but I know others like cp -a ;-) > > I tried to use dd to copy a 2GB hard drive onto a 20GB drive, and the > system saw the end result as a 2GB, presumably due to filesystem > metadata. This was ext2. Has this not been a problem for you? 'e2fsck -f /dev/ && resize2fs -f /dev/' should do the trick greetings, -- Joris -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: lilo fails, /dev/sda not readable
Add the line: disk=/dev/sda inaccessible to the lilo.conf file. Cheers. Patrick Wiseman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Hello: > > I've been away from this list for a while. Happy New Year to everyone! > > I've recently compiled a new kernel, 2.4.22, the "Debian way," but when I > go to install it, lilo bails out with the error: > > Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sda not readable > > I get the same error when I try to 'downgrade' to the previous > kernel_image, which had successfully installed before. > > My lilo.conf makes only a commented reference to /dev/sda, and > boot=/dev/hda. I have recently acquired a USB Mass Storage device, which > is at /dev/sda1 when mounted, but it's not mounted at the moment. I had > successfully recompiled and installed a kernel which recognized the > device. (This latest compilation was to add a wireless PCMCIA card; other > than that I changed nothing.) > > My system is 'testing'. I have version 22.5.8 of lilo. > > A Google attempt turned up nothing except a few problems with people > putting the MBR on /dev/sda, which is not my situation. > > Hoping someone can help, > > Patrick > > -- > Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- Andrés Roldán <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GPG Key-ID: 0xB29396EB http://people.fluidsignal.com/~aroldan pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
on ./configure I get a gcc C Compiler error: what am I missing ??
Hi,
sorry for the maybe beginners question, but I have following problem:
stil on my struggle to get SB Audigy2 to run in Debian Sarge,
I want to use sources, her from ALSA and for emu10k1 driver.
Now:
when I want to do: "./configure" in the sources directory, I get the error
message
"error: C compiler cannot create executables"
(following from config.log):
configure:1614: checking for C compiler default output file name
configure:1617: gccconftest.c >&5
/usr/bin/ld: cannot open crt1.o: No such file or directory
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
configure:1620: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| /* confdefs.h. */
|
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| /* end confdefs.h. */
|
| int
| main ()
| {
|
| ;
| return 0;
| }
configure:1659: error: C compiler cannot create executables
What am I missing or doing wrong ??
I have configure/make/make install made so often in SuSE and Red Hat, I
don't under stand that here !
Thanks in advance for help
Axel
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Re: PATH on root login
On Tue, Dec 30, 2003 at 04:01:30AM +1100, George Ogata wrote: > Why does the mere existence of a `.bash_profile' affect the default > value of PATH? This is from bash (1) in the section INVOCATION: "When bash is invoked as an interactive login shell, or as a non-inter- active shell with the --login option, it first reads and executes com- mands from the file /etc/profile, if that file exists. After reading that file, it looks for ~/.bash_profile, ~/.bash_login, and ~/.profile, in that order, and reads and executes commands from the first one that exists and is readable. The --noprofile option may be used when the shell is started to inhibit this behavior." so if ~/.bash_profile doesn't exist, bash will look at ~/.bash_login, if that doesn't exist it will look at ~/.profile. P.S. I hope this ends this thread and you don't get a hundred responses telling you to RTFM :) Hope that helps, Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
sis900 module will not load on boot
I just installed Sarge on a machine and have run into a problem getting the sis900 module to load at boot time. The machine has an onboard SIS Ethernet controller. Originally the machine the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel and could load the modules correctly. I upgrade to kernel-image-2.4.22-1-k7 and it is no longer able to start the ethernet card when the system boots. However, if I 'modprobe sis900' the module loads without any errors and the network is available. So the module is installed and in working order, it is just not getting loaded when the system boots. How can I fix it so that the sis900 module is loaded when the system boots? __ Do you Yahoo!? New Yahoo! Photos - easier uploading and sharing. http://photos.yahoo.com/ -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problems with dpkg-reconfigure passwd
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 04:23:47PM -0300, Hugo S. Carrer wrote: > Whats going on? Enable md5 passwords in the various /etc/pam.d/ files, at the least. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:42:11AM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote: > I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and > save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio > stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as > wanted it? > > I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the > legalities. Just a thought. It's very easy to do technically. I used a similar idea when I was on dialup to broadcast internet radio. I sent my stream to a computer with a decent connection and had it do the broadcasting. Basically you create a private station on the dialup and have the computer with the real bandwidth connect to it and run it's own server. This is all very easy to do using icecast or shoutcast mp3 streaming software. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
Re: Advice on usb pendrive purchase
[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Virtually all of them work. For small values of "work". It's really not so simple. I know the timestamp is a bit old, but see: http://www2.one-eyed-alien.net/~mdharm/linux-usb/ and in particular, http://www2.one-eyed-alien.net/~mdharm/linux-usb/target_offenses.txt I made the mistake of trusting one of these things, then one day I tried it out with a 2.6 bk snapshot, and wham! it's a paperweight. Some bad sequence of commands seems to have fried its little brain forever. I'll never know for sure. Jason -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
PATH on root login
Hello, when I log in at the console as root, how is my PATH determined? If I have no `.bash_profile' file, I get: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin/:/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11 ... but if I have even an empty `.bash_profile', it is: /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/games Why does the mere existence of a `.bash_profile' affect the default value of PATH? Cheers. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
Monique Y. Herman said on Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:42:11AM -0700: > I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and > save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio > stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as > wanted it? > > I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the > legalities. Just a thought. Some internet radio station support things like this. For example, radioparadise.com uses something called Abacast with their Windows Media feeds that does p2p redistribution of the feed if you're on the same network. Cuts bandwidth right down. I don't know of anything equivilent for mp3 or ogg, but it's a neat idea that appears to work well. M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 10:53:11 -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:39:52AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: >> This is no longer true. Most current IDE controllers support various >> DMA schemes. Like ATA-100, ATA-133, etc. So with IDE the controller >> now bypasses the CPU too. > > DMA isn't the issue. Bandwidth is. As long as only one IDE device on a > chain can be performing a command at a given moment, SCSI will always win. > > Whether the *battle* is something you care about... that's for you to > decide. Which is why I restricted my comments to PCs only. With a single user PC, it is extremely unlikely to make a significant difference -- paul It's working as coded. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
lilo fails, /dev/sda not readable
Hello: I've been away from this list for a while. Happy New Year to everyone! I've recently compiled a new kernel, 2.4.22, the "Debian way," but when I go to install it, lilo bails out with the error: Fatal: VolumeID read error: sector 0 of /dev/sda not readable I get the same error when I try to 'downgrade' to the previous kernel_image, which had successfully installed before. My lilo.conf makes only a commented reference to /dev/sda, and boot=/dev/hda. I have recently acquired a USB Mass Storage device, which is at /dev/sda1 when mounted, but it's not mounted at the moment. I had successfully recompiled and installed a kernel which recognized the device. (This latest compilation was to add a wireless PCMCIA card; other than that I changed nothing.) My system is 'testing'. I have version 22.5.8 of lilo. A Google attempt turned up nothing except a few problems with people putting the MBR on /dev/sda, which is not my situation. Hoping someone can help, Patrick -- Patrick Wiseman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Linux user #17943 *Google First, Ask Later* -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [NAL] Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Monday 29 December 2003 09:39 am, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:36:49AM +, Rus Foster wrote: > > > Interesting, Paul. So are you saying that SCSI hard drives are simply > > > not worth the extra money or that the advantages of SCSI are in the > > > interface and not in the media? > > > > > > IMHO SCSI disks last longer so its worth paying extra there. Also the > > interface for SCSI is just better as the controller handels the disk > > rather than IDE which is done more on the CPU > This is no longer true. Most current IDE controllers support various > DMA schemes. Like ATA-100, ATA-133, etc. So with IDE the controller > now bypasses the CPU too. This IS still true - there's more of a difference than DMA. SCSI drives allow multiple outstanding requests _per drive_, let alone per bus. This means that the drive can choose to complete the requests in optimum seek order, which cannot be determined by the host, which does not have access to internal drive geometry. Also, while the drive is transferring a block, it is already seeking to the next request. With IDE, the data transfer must complete before the next request even reaches the drive. The ATA standard describes queuing/disconnect behavior; it just isn't widely implemented. > Now it may be true that SCSI drives have better performance, but right > now I think that's just because they're better drives (mechanically, > and electronically) rather than because of the controllers. They're > also *much* more expensive. Even when the same mech is available with either SCSI or IDE, the SCSI price is higher. It's a simple matter of volume - SCSI volumes are low, so costs and prices are high. When a low volume drive (very high performance and cost) is made, there really isn't any savings to go IDE, and the target market for such drives usually desires SCSI anyway. -- Rob -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: nvidia-kernel & 2.6.0
On Mon, Dec 22, 2003 at 03:38:19PM -0500, Jerome R. Acks wrote: > On Fri, Dec 19, 2003 at 07:44:49PM -0500, Matt Price wrote: > > Hey Folks, > > > > now that there are patches for the nvidia non-free drivers > > (http://home.comcast.net/~andrex/nvidia-2.6-Debian/) > > I used this method, but had to > "export KERNDIR=/usr/src/linux-2.6.0" to successfully compile the nvidia kernel. thatw orked, trhanks. > > By the way, after installing 2.6.0 kernel and nvidia-kernel and > rebooting, I found that loading the nvidia kernel resulted in thousands > of messages in /var/log/kern.log and /var/log/messages such as: > did you ever figure this out? thx for the solution,, matt -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 11:42:11 -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 17:15 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
>>
>> Even with huge internet links, radio is a problem. My corp has
>> upwards of 50,000 PCs, you can imagine the problem and associated cost
>> if rules weren't strict and the penalties non-trivial ("not excluding
>> termination")
>>
>> If you're at work, and you're stealing your company resources (or your
>> time for which your company has paid you) for personal reasons, you're
>> a thief, no two ways about it.
>>
>
> I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and
> save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio
> stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as
> wanted it?
>
> I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the
> legalities. Just a thought.
It's a good thought. Most companies are pretty lenient about checking CNN
for news headlines, for instance, but the streaming thing is a real
problem. I might even suggest your idea :)
--
paul
It's working as coded.
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Re: which email server to choose
Will Trillich said on Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 01:54:06AM -0600: > so, what's the best imap/webmail solution for a woody server? :) It really depends on your site. The three most well known are probably uw-imap, courier-imap, and Cyrus. > advantages, disadvantages, why, why not... Cyrus will scale the best. It's also the most complex. If you have a large site (or expect to have a large site), you probably should use this one. I've been at sites that used uw-imap, and I'm currently running a site that uses Courier IMAP. uw-imap appears to be a bit slower, unless you are using the mbx mailbox format (as opposed to mbox). Courier uses Maildir+ (basically, Maildir with support for folders). If Courier is on top of ReiserFS, it appears to be about as fast as uw-imap using mbx format for small sites. However, I found Courier's IMAP server to be easier to get working with TLS support, so I used that. I don't use the Courier SMTP server, preferring Postfix. > we're hoping for mod_perl (avoiding php) solutions to the > webmail situation... wing seems like a likely candidate, but > there's a dearth of info -- web-imap.sf.net has no screen dumps > and very little marketing-speak... I've only tried two webmail solutions: IMP and Squirrelmail. Squirrelmail has been great, but it's PHP based, so it doesn't appear to meet your reqs. M pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
Problems with dpkg-reconfigure passwd
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi: I'm running on a Sarge laptop. The default length of my passwords is 8 characters, well I'want more. So here' what I do: corky:~# dpkg-reconfigure passwd Password setup - -- Shadow passwords make your system more secure because nobody is able to view even encrypted passwords. Passwordsare stored in a separate file that can only be read by special programs. We recommend the use of shadow passwords. However, if you're going to use NIS you could run into trouble. :-) Shall I enable shadow passwords? yes corky:~# And thats it no length question, then: corky:~# dpkg-reconfigure debconf Configuring debconf - --- Packages that use debconf for configuration share a common look and feel. You can select the type of user interface they use. The dialog frontend is a full-screen, character based interface, while the readline frontend uses a more traditional plain text interface, and the gnome frontend is a modern X interface. The editor frontend lets you configure things using your favorite text editor. The noninteractive frontend never asks you any questions. 1. Dialog 2. Readline 3. Gnome 4. Editor 5. Noninteractive :-) What interface should be used for configuring packages? 2 Debconf prioritizes the questions it asks you. Pick the lowest priority of question you want to see: - 'critical' only prompts you if the system might break.Pick it if you are a newbie, or in a hurry. - 'high' is for rather important questions - 'medium' is for normal questions - 'low' is for control freaks who want to see everything Note that no matter what level you pick here, you will be able to see every question if you reconfigure a package with dpkg-reconfigure. ^^ <--- Uhh?? 1. critical 2. high 3. medium 4. low :-) See only questions that are of what priority and higher? 4 corky:~# If I run the dpkg-reconfigure passwd again, I get the same results as before. Maybe I'm reconfiguring the wrong package? Maybe I don't understand the priority thingy? Whats going on? Thanks Hugo - -- Ing. Hugo S. Carrer Laboratorio de Comunicaciones Digitales UNC Tel./Fax: +54 351-4334147 Int.105 http://lcd.efn.uncor.edu - -- Gpg key: http://lcd.efn.uncor.edu/pubkeys/hsc_key.pgp -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/8H8kQs83SACVjQQRAuemAKCK3jg6qPQkbThAk4yf5ZDdpBoxHQCeMURE TUYavpQC+i+CxqQGq9hT4Ik= =A0Dc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: apt-get files problems
On Thu, 25 Dec 2003 at 19:49 GMT, A.L.Meyers penned: > "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> /var/lib/dpkg/info/ has a .list file for every package >> on your system. I'm guessing that's what apt is looking for. > > Bingo, Monique. And precisely that directory entry apparently was on > one of the bad blocks on that partition (IDE drive about 4 years old - > now I know why the old wizzards always prefer SCSI). And my backups > with the undamaged data are too old compared to the state of packages > before the disk read errors began to multiply. In addition to running > fsck on the file system, I have shifted /var to the partition which > used to be /opt and vice-versa, as the latter partition has (not yet) > exhibited read errors and /opt under Debian can live on smaller space. > After the year-end financial ebb, maybe I shall plunk down enough cash > to replace the IDE drive with magneto-optical disks. One ouch is > enough. > > Anyway, lamentation leads nowhere. How can I get apt to regenerate > those *.list files, please? > This, I don't know =/ I also don't know if the .list files are generated or just sucked out of the .deb packages ... Anyone? -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: problem with menuconfig
Andy Firman wrote: On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:47:31AM -0700, Paul Schwartz wrote: I'm trying to build a kernel. Do 'make menuconfig' in an xterm window, and it comes back Unable to find the Ncurses libraries The following are installed [Woody] libncurses5 ncurses-base ncurses-bin ncurses-term Why can't it be found? You need: libncurses5-dev Thanks to all. The description given in kpackage didn't seem like that would be the solution. Paul Schwartz -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Slightly failed Hard-Disk-Upgrade
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 12:48 GMT, Kevin Mark penned: > Personally I use DD to copy but I know others like cp -a ;-) I tried to use dd to copy a 2GB hard drive onto a 20GB drive, and the system saw the end result as a 2GB, presumably due to filesystem metadata. This was ext2. Has this not been a problem for you? -- monique -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: 2 NIC's, assigned in wrong order
On Sun, Dec 28, 2003 at 07:22:04PM -0700, Dean Allen Provins wrote: [ parts omitted ] > That seemed like such a good suggestion. I created scripts to assign > the desired names to the desired MAC addresses and placed them in > /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/, and then added invocation in the interfaces > file, but I keep getting the messages (in syslog): [ ... ] > iface eth0 inet static > pre-up /etc/network/if-pre-up.d/eth0.sh As an aside, /etc/network/*.d/ directories are the places to put scripts that are run automatically, run-parts(8) style. Scripts run from /etc/network/interfaces should be placed elsewhere. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Sneaking past firewalls: ssh on port 23 or 80?
On Mon, 29 Dec 2003 at 17:15 GMT, Paul Morgan penned:
>
> Even with huge internet links, radio is a problem. My corp has
> upwards of 50,000 PCs, you can imagine the problem and associated cost
> if rules weren't strict and the penalties non-trivial ("not excluding
> termination")
>
> If you're at work, and you're stealing your company resources (or your
> time for which your company has paid you) for personal reasons, you're
> a thief, no two ways about it.
>
I wonder if a company could get brownie points with its employees and
save bandwidth at the same time by proxying/caching some internet radio
stations for their use? Only one "user" for as many internal users as
wanted it?
I have no idea of the technical feasibility of that, nor of the
legalities. Just a thought.
--
monique
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Re: OT: SCSI better than IDE?
On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 10:53:11AM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 29, 2003 at 11:39:52AM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote: > > This is no longer true. Most current IDE controllers support various > > DMA schemes. Like ATA-100, ATA-133, etc. So with IDE the controller > > now bypasses the CPU too. > > DMA isn't the issue. Bandwidth is. As long as only one IDE device on a > chain can be performing a command at a given moment, SCSI will always win. This is true. I get around it by having my hard disks on their own channel. > Whether the *battle* is something you care about... that's for you to > decide. I was simply disputing the fact that the problem with IDE was that it used CPU while SCSI used the controller to do the work. I was just trying to show that current IDE controllers also do the work. Bijan -- Bijan Soleymani <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://www.crasseux.com signature.asc Description: Digital signature
cd rom wont work
my cd rom will play dvds but wont read any other kind of cd?
