Re: ping script

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:23:57PM -0800, Curtis Vaughan wrote:
> Has anyone written a script that they're willing to share that pings a 
> host and when the ping fails it send out an email message?

#!/bin/sh
while :; do
  # Allow for intermittent network failures
  ping -c 120 "$1" && LAST="`date -R`" || \
mail -s "Can't ping $1 since $LAST" < /dev/null
done

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Re: ping script

2004-01-16 Thread Bijan Soleymani

Curtis Vaughan said:
> Has anyone written a script that they're willing to share that pings a
> host and when the ping fails it send out an email message?
>
> Could you share it with me?

Here's a quick one:
#!/bin/bash
if ping -c 1 $1;
then echo "success";
else echo "ping failed for $1" | mail -s "ping failure for $1" [EMAIL PROTECTED];
fi

Simply replace "[EMAIL PROTECTED]" with your email address.

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Re: EXT3 at install..no more?

2004-01-16 Thread Kirk Strauser
At 2004-01-17T02:38:32Z, Joseph Guida MD <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Sometimes I think that "open source" geeks intentionally complicate things
> to keep the borderline geeks (like me) from experimenting with and
> learning about O/Ses like Debian.

Uh-huh.

> The install menus USED TO ALLOW A CHOICE BETWEEN EXT2 and EXT3...before
> you loaded up the HD with the O/S.

I can't speak for that, but you realize, of course, that ext3 is ext2 plus a
journal, right?  In otherwords, that it's essentially the exact same
filesystem?

> Now, you have to modify the EXT2 after the fact, running the risk of
> screwing up the partitions...

"tune2fs -j /dev/hda1".  Has that *ever* screwed up anyone's system?

> thanks guyssome pimple faced hacker probably did this as a form of
> geek-like "ethnic cleansing"...

Lighten up, Francis.  If you think you can do better, feel free.

> well it worked...I'm going back to RedHat.  And I really liked tinkering
> with Debian too...kept me thinking...so sad  Coyotesx5 Scottsdale, AZ

Don't let the door hit you.

You know, we're a pretty nice group of people, but your rant was complete
unnecessary and not likely to get you much sympathy.  Frankly, if you're
going to act like that without reasonable grounds, we don't need you.
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Re: problem with dns/network

2004-01-16 Thread enantiomer
"Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On 2004-01-15, enantiomer penned:
> >
> > --resolv.conf 
> > search eggnog
> > nameserver 204.127.198.4
> > ---end
> > resolv.conf-
> >
> > As I understand it, search represents the local domain.. i couldn't
> > remember if that was what I named my local domain or not... is there a
> > way to check this?  Also, the nameserver is the same one that I use
> > for my other linux machine, which works just fine.  BTW, the machine
> > that isn't working well is a laptop with a pcmcia network card, if
> > that is relevant? I'm totally in the dark when it comes to linux
> > networking configurations. Anyone see anything wrong of have any
> > advise?  Thanks a million,
> >Jon
> >
> 
> What is eggnog?  A machine name?
I believe that eggnog is the nonsense name that I gave as the name of
my domain,  although I am not absolutely certain (is there anyway to
see what I have listed as my domain?).  the network configuration tool
put it in automatically i think.  I tried taking it out and it didn't
do anything, so I don't think that it is the issue...   I am using
mozilla 1.0 currently, could that be part of the problem?  I really
don't know what could be causing these delays.  Well, thanks.
  Enantiomer
btw, thanks for the info on how search works.

> 
> I believe that search is used so that you can shorthand hostnames ...
> so, for example, if you have
> 
> search bounceswoosh.org
> 
> then if you try to, say,
> 
> ssh rabbit
> 
> it would try rabbit.bounceswoosh.org
> 
> If you have multiple domains listed, it will go through all of them,
> looking for a match.
> 
> A search statement is not necessary for your network to work, although
> it's possible it's what you want.
> 
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ping script

2004-01-16 Thread Curtis Vaughan
Has anyone written a script that they're willing to share that pings a 
host and when the ping fails it send out an email message?

Could you share it with me?

Curtis Vaughan

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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:43:20PM -0500, Bijan Soleymani wrote:
> > Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that.  We
> > all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> > reality still is that quite often when a system is half broken in single
> > user mode and one needs to edit this or that file to bring it back to life
> > 'vi' is the only editor available.  Believe me, I've been doing technical
> > support for quite a while and had to walk a few sysadmins through the
> > painful process of editing in file using 'vi' when they had absolutely no
> > knowledge of the tool.
> 
> That really doesn't make sense. I mean if you use emacs, nano, etc, they
> should all also be available in single user mode. On my Debian box, vi is
> nvi (or sometimes vim) and it lives in /usr/bin. If something is screwy 
> with my system and I can't run nano or emacs, I won't be able to run vi
> either. I would then be stuck with ed for editing.
> 

Its not so much a screwy state as a minimal system such as a rescue
disk (which I don't think hadles vi but not sure), or the minimal
install, which does come with vi which is very light but not vim or
emacs.

Note the vi and vim are two different things. vim is similar to vi in
the basic interface but is much more advanced (and thus heavy).

> In fact I believe that ed, nano, and nvi are all standard packages in Debian.
> 
> If I was going to put a staticly linked editor in /bin/ for emergencies
> there's no real reason to choose vi over nano (except that I hate nano and
> prefer vi myself). In any case the system may be in such a hosed state
> that no curses-like application will run, in that case you'd be stuck with
> an editor like ed anyways :)
> 
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Re: Debian and Knoppix.

2004-01-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 12:10:07 +0100, Bob Hentges wrote:

> Yes, Knoppix will allow you, as far as I know, to use apt-get and all of 
> its features.
> 
> Thought i don't know how it will behave if you try an apt-get 
> dist-upgrade, as their are some Knoppix-only packages, as for instance 
> knx-alsa.

Very well. It behaves very well. Did it for KONOPPIX 19-11-03 and does
everything as expected.

But YMMV


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Re: No Java on Thunderbird and Sid ?

2004-01-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 03:50:06 +0100, Rafael Alexandre Schmitt wrote:

> Wich is wrong , you need gcc32 libjava , otherwise java will not work
> under mozilla firebird.
> That's the reason blackdown java doesn't make any effect.

Okay, does that mean that Blackdown does *not* work ? I did make my
homework and in the archives I found a few posts suggesting exactly to use
the Blackdown.
Can you confirm this ? Then I'll have to go through the process at
java.sun.com ...


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Re: debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 01:06:58PM -0600, Rick Weinbender wrote:
> Hi,
> I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
> 'apt-get install bastille'  command.
> It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
> command that can be entered from the commandline.
> When I type it, I get:
> 
> RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
>/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
>/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
>/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. BEGIN
>failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
> /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.
> *
> I've tried installing libncurses using
> 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
> which installs fine, but doesn't get rid of that error message.
> I know this isn't completely a debian issue, but
> if anyone could help with this I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> -Rick
Hi Rick,
since its a perl script, maybe it needs:
libcurses-perl - Curses interface for Perl
So if this works, it may be a dependency bug.
-Kev



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Re: fetchmail skips messages even if ~/.fetchids is truncated

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:22:48PM -0800, Marc Wilson wrote:
> Gotta love the stupidities people will go to just to avoid actually
> learning something.

No, Marc.  I /do/ want to learn.  That's why I linger here.  And I do
read the documentation.  Usually it helps, but sometimes I obviate
something.  And sometimes I find a bug.  That's when I ask and/or file a
bugreport.

And thank you, by the way.

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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Bijan Soleymani
> Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that.  We
> all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> reality still is that quite often when a system is half broken in single
> user mode and one needs to edit this or that file to bring it back to life
> 'vi' is the only editor available.  Believe me, I've been doing technical
> support for quite a while and had to walk a few sysadmins through the
> painful process of editing in file using 'vi' when they had absolutely no
> knowledge of the tool.

That really doesn't make sense. I mean if you use emacs, nano, etc, they
should all also be available in single user mode. On my Debian box, vi is
nvi (or sometimes vim) and it lives in /usr/bin. If something is screwy 
with my system and I can't run nano or emacs, I won't be able to run vi
either. I would then be stuck with ed for editing.

In fact I believe that ed, nano, and nvi are all standard packages in Debian.

If I was going to put a staticly linked editor in /bin/ for emergencies
there's no real reason to choose vi over nano (except that I hate nano and
prefer vi myself). In any case the system may be in such a hosed state
that no curses-like application will run, in that case you'd be stuck with
an editor like ed anyways :)

Bijan
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Re: Problem_with_usb-ethernet_adapter

2004-01-16 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 02:24:25AM +0100, David Wretman wrote:
> I'm having trouble getting my usb-ethernet adapter (D-link DU-E100)
> running. I've tried to enable the pegasus driver with xconfig but the
> desiret option isn't available.
> 
> My kernel version is 2.2.20-idepci.

Since Pegasus-based USB<>Ethernet adapters are only supported under 2.4.x
kernels, the problem and the solution both seem obvious.

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Re: fetchmail skips messages even if ~/.fetchids is truncated

2004-01-16 Thread Marc Wilson
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:44:35AM +0100, Jan Minar wrote:
> No thanks, I'm not interested in a non-reliable workaround.

Or in actually reading documentation, apparently:

(from man fetchmail)

   Disposal Options
   -a | --all
  (Keyword:  fetchall)  Retrieve  both old (seen) and new messages
  from the mailserver.  The default is to fetch only messages  the
  server has not marked seen.  Under POP3, this option also forces
  the use of RETR rather  than  TOP.   Note  that  POP2  retrieval
  behaves  as  though  --all  is  always on (see RETRIEVAL FAILURE
  MODES below) and this option does not work with ETRN or ODMR.

> | while :; do
> | fetchmail --verbose --nodetach --fetchlimit 2 -i /dev/null \
> | --fetchmailrc ./.fetchmailrc.daemon-stanza-commented-out
> | sleep 5
> | done

If the POP server you're talking to is SO unreliable that you need to use
'fetchlimit 2', you need to find a better class of ISP.

Gotta love the stupidities people will go to just to avoid actually
learning something.

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Re: debian pwd

2004-01-16 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:47:49PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:37:57 +0100, Arkel wrote:
> 
> > hello guys
> > 
> > does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not
> > supposed to
> > 
> 
> You could try buying the SA a hooker.
> 

Is that a question on how to hack a system or are the su and sudo
commands what you are looking for (the second one is in the sudo
package)
You would need to know the root password for su, and to get the
sysadmin to give you the permissions with sudo.

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> 
> It is important to realize that any lock can be picked with a big
> enough hammer.
>-- Sun System & Network Admin manual
> 
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Re: EXT3 at install..no more?

2004-01-16 Thread Edward J. Shornock
Joseph Guida MD wrote:

Sometimes I think that  "open source" geeks intentionally complicate 
things to keep the borderline geeks  (like me) from experimenting with 
and learning about O/Ses like Debian.  The install menus USED TO ALLOW 
A CHOICE BETWEEN EXT2 and EXT3...before you loaded up the HD with the 
O/S.  Now, you have to modify the EXT2 after the fact, running the 
risk of screwing up the partitions...


Eh?  If it was removed, how did I manage to format a drive using ext3 
during the installation of a server last weekend???

some pimple faced hacker probably did this as a form of geek-like 
"ethnic cleansing"...well it worked...


Nothat was the failure to _RTFO_ (Read The Fine Options) during the 
installation.  It was there as an option last weekend (in Debian Woody 
3.0r2), so I'm _SURE_ it's still there now.  Did you install with kernel 
version 2.4.x ?

If not, therein lies the problem...

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Re: Debian and Knoppix.

2004-01-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:46:08AM -, Geoff Bagley wrote:
> I understand that Knoppix is based on Debian GNU/Linux.
> Will Knoppix allow apt-get,  aptitude, and synaptic to be used ?
> 
> Can Knoppix  "import"  packages from a Debian Distro ?
> 
> TIA
> 
> Geoff.
Hi Geoff,
Mr. Knopper took a debian system and modified it to allow it boot from a
cdrom drive. It uses a combination of test, unstable and custom .deb
packages. You can also install it to your hard drive--a 20 min debian
install. Once installed you can mold it to a 'true' debian distro by
modifing the /etc/apt/sources.list, changeing the kernel, and removeing
the custom deb's. There are document 'out there' for this. But basically
its debian.
-Kev


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Re: sound card

2004-01-16 Thread Stephen Liu
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help i have an onboard sound card ac97
Hi,

We are on the same boat.  

I also encountered problem in config this card using 'sndconfig' as 
ROOT.   Always popup following warning;
An error occurred while writing the config file.

I am prepared to config it from source.  Please see my posting of "Sound 
card config question"

What is your problem?

B.R.
Stephen Liu
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excuse me help me please

2004-01-16 Thread SoMe1boy


i would like to get a direction from jamaica station (long island rail road) i would like to go to long island at this address from jamaica station to  Sunrise Mall   (1sunrise mall massapequa,ny 11758)
 
Im MTA's customer  please
 
 i dont have a car 
 
 
 can u help me?
 
i would like to know how i can go in trains


Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)

2004-01-16 Thread Carl Fink
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:33:18AM +, Pigeon wrote:

> My first exposure to a full-screen editor other than vi or emacs was the
> Borland Turbo C 1.0 IDE. It wasn't modal, and the cursor keys worked. It
> was more or less love at first keystroke. (For those who haven't come
> across it: DOS's EDIT.COM appears to have based its UI on Borland's IDEs.)

They're both partial knockoffs of WordStar, the second editor I ever
used.  Currently I use jstar, JOE in WordStar emulation mode.
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sound card

2004-01-16 Thread Jagowayne

help i have an onboard sound card ac97


EXT3 at install..no more?

2004-01-16 Thread Joseph Guida MD
Sometimes I think that  "open source" geeks intentionally complicate 
things to keep the borderline geeks  (like me) from experimenting with 
and learning about O/Ses like Debian.  The install menus USED TO ALLOW A 
CHOICE BETWEEN EXT2 and EXT3...before you loaded up the HD with the 
O/S.  Now, you have to modify the EXT2 after the fact, running the risk 
of screwing up the partitions...thanks guyssome pimple faced hacker 
probably did this as a form of geek-like "ethnic cleansing"...well it 
worked...I'm going back to RedHat.  And I really liked tinkering with 
Debian too...kept me thinking...so sad
Coyotesx5
Scottsdale, AZ



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Re: scsi-ide-cdrw

2004-01-16 Thread Kevin Mark
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 02:05:36AM +, Thomas Sommer wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> after reading a lot of howtos, newsgroups, etc. i constandly have the
> following problem with my cdrw-drive (when i try to mount it):
> 
> dusk:/# mount /dev/cdrw
> mount: /dev/scd0 ist kein gültiges blockorientiertes Gerät
> (english: is not a valid block device)
> 
> scsi-ide-module is installed proper, and i even can burn cds with the
> drive.
> 
> fstab:
> ---snip---
> /dev/cdrw /cdromiso9660 ro,user,noauto0 0
> ---snip---
> 
> So, what have i done wrong?
> 
> Regards
> Thomas
Hi Thomas,
what messages are in /var/log/messages and /var/log/dmesg
that specify you drives?
-Kev


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Re: scsi-ide-cdrw

2004-01-16 Thread Alvin Oga


On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Thomas Sommer wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> after reading a lot of howtos, newsgroups, etc. i constandly have the
> following problem with my cdrw-drive (when i try to mount it):
> 
> dusk:/# mount /dev/cdrw
> mount: /dev/scd0 ist kein gültiges blockorientiertes Gerät
> (english: is not a valid block device)

what is the link for /dev/cdrw ??
ln -s /dev/hdc /dev/cdrw ??

brute force:
mount -o ro -t iso9660 /dev/hdc /cdrom 
( if that works ... you;d have to fiddle with  "/dev/cdrw"

> fstab:
> ---snip---
> /dev/cdrw /cdromiso9660 ro,user,noauto0 0

i assume /cdrom exists since you can rw to the cdrw

c ya
alvin


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Re: No Java on Thunderbird and Sid ?

2004-01-16 Thread Rafael Alexandre Schmitt
* Uwe Dippel ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:20:08 +0100, Wayne Topa wrote:
> 
> > Put the link here
> > /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugins
> > 
> > libjavaplugin_oji.so ->
> > /usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so
> 
> Don't understand. If I look at my OP, this is what I'm doing; as far as I
> can see. Except of using the Blackdown 'mozilla' instead of the SUN
> ns610-gcc32.
> ??

Wich is wrong , you need gcc32 libjava , otherwise java will not work
under mozilla firebird.
That's the reason blackdown java doesn't make any effect.


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Re: No Java on Thunderbird and Sid ?

2004-01-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 00:20:08 +0100, Wayne Topa wrote:

> Put the link here
> /usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugins
> 
> libjavaplugin_oji.so ->
> /usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so

Don't understand. If I look at my OP, this is what I'm doing; as far as I
can see. Except of using the Blackdown 'mozilla' instead of the SUN
ns610-gcc32.
??


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Re: scsi-ide-cdrw

2004-01-16 Thread Roberto Sanchez
Thomas Sommer wrote:
Hi,

after reading a lot of howtos, newsgroups, etc. i constandly have the
following problem with my cdrw-drive (when i try to mount it):
dusk:/# mount /dev/cdrw
mount: /dev/scd0 ist kein gültiges blockorientiertes Gerät
(english: is not a valid block device)
scsi-ide-module is installed proper, and i even can burn cds with the
drive.
fstab:
---snip---
/dev/cdrw /cdromiso9660 ro,user,noauto0 0
---snip---
So, what have i done wrong?
What kernel do you have?  Are you running devfs?  What does
/dev/cdrw point to?  What is the output of lsmod or your
.config?
-Roberto


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Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks

2004-01-16 Thread Nano Nano
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 05:30:18PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
> Ah, then we have another type of redneck: South by Northwest.
> Southern drawl white trailer trash that somehow made it to the
> northwest.  Most famous example would be Tanya Harding's most recent
> ex-husband.

Well, this statement is going to be controversial, but one type of 
redneck lives in a 95% white culture, and one type lives in a roughly 
50-50% white-black culture.  Not that you implied anything at all like 
that; I just didn't want you to be confused over "who's working harder 
to be chill."


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Problem_with_usb-ethernet_adapter

2004-01-16 Thread David Wretman
Hi,

I'm having trouble getting my usb-ethernet adapter (D-link DU-E100)
running. I've tried to enable the pegasus driver with xconfig but the
desiret option isn't available.

Since I haven't got any network connection I cannot download anyting that
doesn't fit on a floppy. 

Can ayone help me?

My kernel version is 2.2.20-idepci.

Thanks

/David


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scsi-ide-cdrw

2004-01-16 Thread Thomas Sommer
Hi,

after reading a lot of howtos, newsgroups, etc. i constandly have the
following problem with my cdrw-drive (when i try to mount it):

dusk:/# mount /dev/cdrw
mount: /dev/scd0 ist kein gültiges blockorientiertes Gerät
(english: is not a valid block device)

scsi-ide-module is installed proper, and i even can burn cds with the
drive.

fstab:
---snip---
/dev/cdrw /cdromiso9660 ro,user,noauto0 0
---snip---

So, what have i done wrong?

Regards
Thomas



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Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:25:08PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> Same here. Especially given that the Lake District is *made* for walking,
> and trying to drive there in the tourist season is a painful experience -
> very narrow roads, flanked by drystone walls and filled with idiots who are
> unable to judge the width of their cars.

I know the feeling.  I live in downtown.  I'd like to take transit
more, but all the parking lots and the meters reset at 8AM, so
anywhere I park in downtown I'll get towed by 10AM since I won't be
there to put a new permit on the dash.  It's not as sucky as it sounds
though: I get home as everybody else is heading home, so there's
always a parking space on the curb right outside my door, I just have
to chunk under $2 into the meter and I'm good until 6PM when parking
goes free.  Gotta plug meters on the street between 8AM-6PM every day
except legal holidays.  Thank God Sunday is still a legal holiday in
the US.

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Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:23:48AM -0600, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
> Coeur d?Alene, that is... ;-) It's French...

The Pacific Northwest and southwestern Canada don't claim French as a
major language (even if it is an official language for southwestern
Canada).  About 10 years ago, the three predominant dialects in my
area (Portland, OR) was American English, Mandarin, and Canadian
French.  Now it's American English, American Spanish (which isn't
taught in schools, and evidently has significant differences from
Spaniard Spanish, which *is* taught in schools (as utterly useless as
it may be locally)), and Russian.  

Near Woodburn, Oregon, the major languages are American Spanish,
Russian and Old German (and they're easy to spot from a distance, they
dress kinda like Amish or Menonites and *nobody else* has any idea
what they're talking about).  This came as quite a surprise to me when
I was there for KNRK's Big Stink Six when it was at the Estacada
Timberbowl...last time I was in Woodburn, everybody living there was
either almost Greg Proops style Redneck or the old german community
(which wasn't nearly as visible in town then).  Local joke is all the
rednecks moved to Oregon City or Vancouver, WA.

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Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 12:21:09PM -0700, Monique Y. Herman wrote:
> On 2004-01-16, Pigeon penned:
> > I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the "standard tools", I use ed.
> > I find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously.
> >
> What's your preferred choice?

My first exposure to a full-screen editor other than vi or emacs was the
Borland Turbo C 1.0 IDE. It wasn't modal, and the cursor keys worked. It
was more or less love at first keystroke. (For those who haven't come
across it: DOS's EDIT.COM appears to have based its UI on Borland's IDEs.)
So I have a liking for things that work more or less the same way. I'm using
jed in a text console to write this, as I do for most jobs that only involve
working on one or two files at a time; the default Debian customisation of
it is fairly Borlandesque. 

For larger jobs, I like RHIDE, which is a clone of the Borland IDE.
Unfortunately, it was originally written for DOS / DJGPP, and the Linux port
is not all it could be; in particular it's necessary to frog about with the
character set to get the line drawing characters etc. to display properly.
Also it seems unlikely that it will become part of Debian due I think to
Free-ness issues. However there is a woody .deb available from
http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/rhide/rhide_1.5-1_i386.deb .

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Re: My system has Flashbacks?

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:20:09PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:52:31PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 01:39:40PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote:
> > > It's a feature.  The ATX PCs are mostly on, even when ``off'' (think
> > > standby), too.
> > 
> > Which is a misfeature. Sometimes on a dual-boot system "ATX-off" isn't
> > enough to reset everything and you have to pull the plug to avoid it locking
> > up when booting the other OS.
> 
> It should allow such things as waking up on network activity, etc.

True. But I would suggest that the majority of ATX boxes probably don't use
that functionality...

> You have malfunctioning HW/SW even without ATX :-(

Also true!

> > It can also result in damaged hardware if you
> > swap bits around without pulling the plug.
> 
> Well, you just have to switch it off first... ;-)

Me, I do :-) But it's natural to think that "off" from the power button really
is "off", and it does no harm to repeat the warning...

> Every decent ATX
> power supply has a /real/ power switch.  It's at the back of the PC,
> usually.

Most ATX PSUs are indecent, though :-) Being happy with soldering irons and
big capacitors charged to 330V, I fit /real/ power switches on my boxes.

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Re: Berried Question

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:19:20PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote:
> On Friday 16 January 2004 11:49 am, Pigeon wrote:
> > I'm guessing a bit here, but these figures look very slow for a 100MHz
> > system bus. Some BIOSes allow you to change various settings to do with bus
> > speed, DRAM timings and the like. Have these got screwed somehow? Can you
> > "Load optimised defaults" in the BIOS setup and does it change anything
> > and/or affect the speed?
> 
> I just started Knoppix & Morphix from CD and both run like a charm.

Then I guessed wrong. Sorry...

> Now why would it run slower from a hd install then it runs from CD.
> I don't have the answer but maybe one of you guys know why that could be.

Extremely weird... perhaps you could post the dmesg output from booting from
CD, for comparison with the HD-boot dmesg you posted earlier? *Might*
provide a clue

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Re: decompressing lzw stream in pdf file

2004-01-16 Thread Shweta Bhandare
Hi,

I'm planning to decode the lzwdecided LZW decoded data in pdf
files. Can you help me?

Thanks,
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Re: decompressing lzw stream in pdf file

2004-01-16 Thread Shweta Bhandare
Hi,

Did you manage to figure this problem out? I'm planning to
decode the LZW decoded data. Can you help?

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Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Johnson
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On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:14:56PM -0800, Nano Nano wrote:
> The "wife-beater" white undershirt is not a phenotype I saw much of -- 
> that's more of a New York Italian stereotype.  In the South it's usually 
> a black t-shirt with a picture of a wolf on it, or a picture of a naked 
> chick in viking armor, or Dale Earnhardt's race car.  They usually have 
> shoulder sleeves.

Ah, then we have another type of redneck: South by Northwest.
Southern drawl white trailer trash that somehow made it to the
northwest.  Most famous example would be Tanya Harding's most recent
ex-husband.

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Re: diagnosing system crash (hardware failure?)

2004-01-16 Thread Micha Feigin
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 07:09:23PM -0500, Matt Price wrote:
> Hi everyone,
> 
> my work machine has been crashing spontaneously: X freezes, sshd goes
> down, and I can't use the keyboard.  This only happens
> when Im in the office, so I think it likely has something to do with
> my physical presence...  
> 

Start with the basic diagnose.
Do you see any flashing light (most probably caps lock + scroll
lock). This would most probably signify an oops and the computer is
usually still at a state that it can be captured.
Are the num lock and/or caps lock functional (do they light up the
light on the keyboard), if so, then the machine is at list somewhat
functional.
Any of these would mean that the problem can at list be recorded as a
start.
Depending on how hard the lockup is things like netdump, kdb and sysrq.

> In particular, we have a USB-kvm switch that I use to switch between
> the workstation and a webstation.  I use it rarely, except when
> something seems to be wrong with my desktop...  which has been
> happening a lot lately...  
> 
> Anyway, I can't figure out the significance of the pre-crash system
> messages.  Here's a representtive sample:
> 
> Jan 16 17:08:01 pc09 postgres[1590]: [8] LOG:  database system is
> ready 
> Jan 16 17:08:03 pc09 xfs: CONFIG: extra value for parameter
> "cache-balance"  
> Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/ (unreadable)  
> Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
> /usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID (unreadable)  
> Jan 16 17:08:13 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8310 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:08:20 pc09 kernel: 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86
> nvidia.o Kernel Module  1.0-4496  Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 
> Jan 16 17:10:18 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8319 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:12:23 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8329 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:14:28 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8337 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:16:33 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8348 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:18:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8373 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:20:43 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8381 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 
> Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 kernel: klogd 1.4.1#13, log
> 
> ...
> 
> and another:
> 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbkbd already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver hid already loaded
> 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbmouse already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver keybdev already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver mousedev already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbkbd already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver hid already loaded
> 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbmouse already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver keybdev already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver mousedev already
> loaded 
> Jan 16 17:29:02 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8475 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:31:07 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8497 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:33:12 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8515 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:35:17 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8530 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 16:37:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
> MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
> DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8553 PROTO=2  
> Jan 16 17:45:03 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 
> 
> Now I don't really know what this stuff is telling me, but they don't
> look so bad.  So I'm wondering whether the error, whatever it is,
> isn't being recorded.
>  
> Are there general guidelines as  to where to go next with this kind of
> problem?  It's f

Re: changing fonts from cm* in plain tex

2004-01-16 Thread Micha Feigin
If you mean latex and not tex (I am not sure what tetex refers to as
its the package name and not the format) then you can use
\usepackage{times} for times font (there are several others but I don't
remember them). This will use type 1 times fonts.
Otherwise you can make your own package for true type fonts, you can
look at:
http://www.radamir.com/tex/ttf-tex.htm
It has a nice short explanation for true type fonts in tex and latex
(including pdftex and pdflatex). For dvi I think type1 is
better. TrueType comes out quite good with pdf(la)tex but not very nice
with simple (la)tex.

On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:52:14PM -0500, Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
> Does anyone know of a url where it is explained simple and fast how to
> use different fonts in tetex (for plain)? There are several docs in
> http://localhost/doc/tetex-base/texmf/index.html, but none seems to be
> fast enough for the little time I have to find out. I just tried
> things like 
> \font\myfont=pagk following
> http://tug.org/fontname/html/Standard-PostScript-fonts.html
> but it didn't work as I would expect.
> Or may be someone can indicate? Thanks...
> 
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Re: Good experience with radio tuner cards?

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 12:02:18PM -0600, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2004-01-16T17:51:24Z, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Unless you have an application where you must control the tuner of the
> > radio from the PC, why not just use a cheap radio and a cable to the LINE
> > IN port of your soundcard to get it to your nicer PC speakers.
> 
> My kid could do that.  Where's the geek appeal?  :-)

I've never used a tuner card, but I'd guess that a solution involving an
outboard radio would be much more likely to give you good sound quality
than a tuner card. There's loads of RF floating around inside a PC, and
screening is... er, not the easiest thing in the world!

If you get a hi-fi tuner with an infra-red remote, you could hook up an
infra-red LED (with a 220 ohm resistor in series) to an output line on a
spare parallel port, and write a wee proggie to generate the correct codes.
To work out what these would be, you could hook up a three-wire IR receiver
module (eg. out of a dead TV), powered off a spare disk drive power connector,
to the line input on your sound card, fire the remote at it and look at the
result with xwave or similar. Now there's some geek appeal! :-)

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Re: debian pwd

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 20:37:57 +0100, Arkel wrote:

> hello guys
> 
> does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not
> supposed to
> 

You could try buying the SA a hooker.

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Re: diagnosing system crash (hardware failure?)

2004-01-16 Thread Mac McCaskie
sounds very much like static electricity to me.

are you getting shocks when you touch doorknobs?

if you have a "joe's garage" pc then it may not be handling static very 
well.  You can build up plently of static (enough anyway) while rolling 
around in your chair.

another item might be voltage level, when you are away, do you turn off 
the monitor?

HTH -mac

Matt Price wrote:

Hi everyone,

my work machine has been crashing spontaneously: X freezes, sshd goes
down, and I can't use the keyboard.  This only happens
when Im in the office, so I think it likely has something to do with
my physical presence...  

In particular, we have a USB-kvm switch that I use to switch between
the workstation and a webstation.  I use it rarely, except when
something seems to be wrong with my desktop...  which has been
happening a lot lately...  

Anyway, I can't figure out the significance of the pre-crash system
messages.  Here's a representtive sample:
Jan 16 17:08:01 pc09 postgres[1590]: [8] LOG:  database system is
ready 
Jan 16 17:08:03 pc09 xfs: CONFIG: extra value for parameter
"cache-balance"  
Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/ (unreadable)  
Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID (unreadable)  
Jan 16 17:08:13 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8310 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:08:20 pc09 kernel: 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86
nvidia.o Kernel Module  1.0-4496  Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 
Jan 16 17:10:18 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8319 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:12:23 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8329 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:14:28 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8337 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:16:33 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8348 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:18:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8373 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:20:43 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8381 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 
Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 kernel: klogd 1.4.1#13, log

...

and another:

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbkbd already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver hid already loaded

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbmouse already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver keybdev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver mousedev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbkbd already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver hid already loaded

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbmouse already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver keybdev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver mousedev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:29:02 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8475 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:31:07 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8497 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:33:12 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8515 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:35:17 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8530 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 16:37:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8553 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:45:03 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 

Now I don't really know what this stuff is telling me, but they don't
look so bad.  So I'm wondering whether the error, whatever it is,
isn't being recorded.
 
Are there general guidelines as  to where to go next with this kind of
problem?  It's fairly annoying...

thanks,
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Re: [Fwd: Preliminary investigation were started]

2004-01-16 Thread Scarletdown
Wayne Topa wrote:
Monique Y. Herman([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:

On 2004-01-14, Joseph Jones penned:

Anybody else got this crap?

Joe

It was sent to the list; presumably it wasn't sent to you personally.



I got one addressed to me.  

I too received one addressed directly to me.  So is it possible that 
someone here on the list who may be using Windows (and has previously 
either received email from both of us or sent email directly to both of 
us) is infected?  I'm assuming the worm sends itself to everyone in the 
infected party's address book; and often, addresses get added 
automatically as emails are received or sent.



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Re: 2.6.0 + ALSA sound quality

2004-01-16 Thread Richard Heycock
On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 21:29, Bjorn Johansson wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I've recently compiled a 2.6.0 kernel with ALSA built in.
> But the sound doesn't sound to good, in fact, the sound
> sounds worse than OSS! So how do I fix the problem?
> It's like a clipping sound, the OSS emulation works
> great, though.

I use alsa for for playing cds and oggs and I found that if I have the
volume up too high on xmms it will clip, try reducing the volume of the
preceeding source.

rgh

> 
> When it comes to the soundserver: jack. The programs
> don't use it, so I assume that esd and artsdsp is the
> soundservers which I'm currently using, mostly artsdsp.
> I also downloaded the new sources from the Alsa homepage,
> but in the process of compilation, it complains about that
> Alsa0.9 is not installed, so instead of trying this approach
> I might be better off compiling a new kernel instead.
> 
> Is there anyone here on this list which have a working ALSA
> system with great sound(with the 2.6.0 kernel)? Do I need to
> patch my current 2.6.0 kernel with something?
> 
> 
> BjÃrn Johansson
> (Not a member of this list)
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Re: Cobol for linux

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 17:26:16 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:

> On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 06:16, Leandro Guimarães Faria Corcete Dutra
> wrote:
>> Em Sex, 2004-01-16 às 10:21, Tiji Thomas escreveu:
>> > does any one know about cobol for linux
>> 
>>  http://google.com./search?q=tinycobol
>> 
>>  MicroFocus might have something, or even IBM perhaps.
> 
> Tiny Cobol is the only Linux compiler that I've used thus far as it was
> the only free and more or less full-featured one I could find. It does
> have a few weird quirks from what I'm used to from MicroFocus compilers,
> such as comments starting in column 2, instead of column 7. Also, any
> time I've tried using an EVALUATE statement I've gotten a segmentation
> fault during compilation.
> 
> So consider yourself warned that it might not have all the functionality
> you might want. It does, however, come pre-packaged for debian, so you
> can use dpkg to install it without any major problems.

Hah, I've been looking for an interesting project to occupy my spare time.
Looks like writing a COBOL compiler might be it :)

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Re: fetchmail skips messages even if ~/.fetchids is truncated

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Sat, Jan 17, 2004 at 12:14:43AM +0100, Oliver Fuchs wrote:
> As far as I understand it you want to poll all the 162 messages from your
> server - but why are you setting the single-poll-limit to 2 messages? Try
> 160 if you want to use the fetchlimit option.

No thanks, I'm not interested in a non-reliable workaround.  I worked
around it like this:

| while :; do
| fetchmail --verbose --nodetach --fetchlimit 2 -i /dev/null \
| --fetchmailrc ./.fetchmailrc.daemon-stanza-commented-out
| sleep 5
| done

Obviously I either miss something, or a bugreport is due.

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Re: HELP: new to debian 3.0

2004-01-16 Thread Hercinger Viktor
>  Hi,
>  I've just installed Debian 3.0...pretty much without a hitch.  Now I'm trying to 
> get everything in working order.  There's a few things I'm unsure of:

I'm an enthusiastic newbie too, but I think I can help in some points.

>  2) I have a scroll mouse...but the 'scrolling' part isn't working.
>  
>  In looking in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, both InputDevices: Configured Mouse and 
> Generic Mouse have the lines:
>  Option"ZAxisMapping"   "4 5"

You should set in the Configured Mouse or Generic Mouse a line like this:

Option   "Protocol" "ImPS/2"

This sets the mouse's protocol.  
  
>  3) the sound driver was either not installed, or not configured properly on 
>  installation.  I get the error:
>  "error initializing sound driver:
>device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)"
>  ...when logging in.

You should put Your user in the group audio, and then (I think :-) it will work.
(you should read the man page of group(5))
  
>  4) is there any way to shutdown/reboot the system while logged in as a user?  I'd 
> rather not have to su to root everytime to power down.

Just type in:
# sudo /sbin/halt

(make sure that you're a sudoer (edit /etc/sudoers))

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Re: Lists of commands

2004-01-16 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> I am looking for a list of commands that are only to debian.  I want to 
> learn debian but it would be nice if there was a list of commands that are 
> specific to debian and a description of what these commands do.  If it 
> exists, please let me know.

See:

man dpkg
man apt-get
apropos update
apropos debian

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Re: fetchmail skips messages even if ~/.fetchids is truncated

2004-01-16 Thread Oliver Fuchs
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Jan Minar wrote:

> Hi everybody.
> 
> I want fetchmail(1) to fetch all the messages left on the server.  But
> even removing/truncating ~/.fetchids doesn't help.  (I assured there was
> no fetchmail running when I removed/truncated it.)
> 
> With ``fetchmail --verbose --nodetach --fetchlimit 2'', fetchmail
> fetches two messages, then it says:
> 
> | fetchmail: fetchlimit 2 reached; 162 messages left on server \
> | pop3.seznam.cz account Jan.Minar

As far as I understand it you want to poll all the 162 messages from your
server - but why are you setting the single-poll-limit to 2 messages? Try
160 if you want to use the fetchlimit option.

Man fetchmail:

   fetchlimit -BMax  # messages to fetch in single
connect

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Re: Cobol for linux

2004-01-16 Thread Alex Malinovich
On Fri, 2004-01-16 at 06:16, Leandro GuimarÃes Faria Corcete Dutra
wrote:
> Em Sex, 2004-01-16 Ãs 10:21, Tiji Thomas escreveu:
> > does any one know about cobol for linux
> 
>   http://google.com./search?q=tinycobol
> 
>   MicroFocus might have something, or even IBM perhaps.

Tiny Cobol is the only Linux compiler that I've used thus far as it was
the only free and more or less full-featured one I could find. It does
have a few weird quirks from what I'm used to from MicroFocus compilers,
such as comments starting in column 2, instead of column 7. Also, any
time I've tried using an EVALUATE statement I've gotten a segmentation
fault during compilation.

So consider yourself warned that it might not have all the functionality
you might want. It does, however, come pre-packaged for debian, so you
can use dpkg to install it without any major problems.
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Re: Berried Question

2004-01-16 Thread Dennis Kaplan
On Friday 16 January 2004 11:49 am, Pigeon wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:32:41PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I think my question got berried in the list so I like to add some more
> > info and ask again.
> >
> > One of my two Debian installations is very slow.
> > On the bottom I have added the output of top & the output of hdparm.
> >
> > Intel 1000 MHz, 1000Mb Ram, 40 + 20GB HD
> >
> > The slow machine:
> > Intel Celeron Processor 1 GHz
> > 100 MHz System Bus
> > 256 KB L2 Cache
> > Amptron ?PIII-3758TLM Board v 5.2
> > ? ? MicroATX with SiS630eT Chipset
> >
> > Kernel: I have tried many.
> >
> > At first I did not know if the problem was with the hd speed the memory
> > speed or the CPU till I found out that it was the CPU load, meanwhile I
> > have tried following installations with no change in speed
> >
> > 1) Regular of the newest Debian CDs
> > 2) using Knoppix hdinstall 2.4.22-xfs then upgraded to the 686 Kernel did
> > not use xfs
> > 3) using Morphix hdinstall with kernel 2.4.21-xfs and used xfs file
> > system 4) using Morphix hdinstall with kernel upgrade to 686-smp but did
> > not get it to work
> > 5) running now Morphix hdinstall with kernel 2.4.21-xfs but not with the
> > xfs file system
> >
> > The problem is the CPU load when idle it runs between 5-30 %
> > As soon as I start an application it goes up to 100% and stays there till
> > the application is done loading. Loading an application like Kmail takes
> > about 2 to 3 minutes.
> >
> > /dev/hda:
> > ?Timing buffer-cache reads: ? 172 MB in ?2.00 seconds = ?86.00 MB/sec
> >
> > /dev/hdb:
> > ?Timing buffer-cache reads: ? 100 MB in ?2.06 seconds = ?48.54 MB/sec
>
> I'm guessing a bit here, but these figures look very slow for a 100MHz
> system bus. Some BIOSes allow you to change various settings to do with bus
> speed, DRAM timings and the like. Have these got screwed somehow? Can you
> "Load optimised defaults" in the BIOS setup and does it change anything
> and/or affect the speed?

I just started Knoppix & Morphix from CD and both run like a charm. Now why 
would it run slower from a hd install then it runs from CD.
I don't have the answer but maybe one of you guys know why that could be.
My current install has a 2G swap on /dev/hdb6, 5G / on /dev/hda and /var /
home /usr on /dev/hdb5 thru 9

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Re: No Java on Thunderbird and Sid ?

2004-01-16 Thread Wayne Topa
Uwe Dippel([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 15:20:10 +0100, Sanjay Chigurupati wrote:
> 
> > had to do this for Mozilla.
> > In the user's home directory there is a directory called .mozilla and if I
> > am not mistaken, there is a directory called plugins in that. Just create a
> > link to the java plugin. pointing to the file in jre directory that you
> > mentioned and restart the browser. see if that fixes it.
> 
> This is what I wrote earlier. For Firebird - even the subject is wrong, I
> must have been drunk ! - we have a .mozilla-firebird/, but here I have no
> plugins directory.

Put the link here
/usr/lib/mozilla-firebird/plugins

libjavaplugin_oji.so ->
/usr/local/j2re1.4.2/plugin/i386/ns610-gcc32/libjavaplugin_oji.so

I am using the j2re1.4.2 from Sun, hence the /usr/local

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Re: [Fwd: Preliminary investigation were started]

2004-01-16 Thread Wayne Topa
Monique Y. Herman([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On 2004-01-14, Joseph Jones penned:
> >
> > Anybody else got this crap?
> >
> > Joe
> >
> 
> It was sent to the list; presumably it wasn't sent to you personally.
> 

I got one addressed to me.  

As I pointed out to someone on this list earlier this week the

Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

That was added by the Debian list. Message-ID:, not put in by the
sender.  I have a mailfilter rule that deletes mail without an
originating Message-ID: and it has not had a false positive in over 3
months now.

When the Message-ID: is added by my ISP, it's spam!  I no longer
use/need spamassassin  so don't know if that can be added to it or
not.  The list admin might want to look into it.

Wayne

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diagnosing system crash (hardware failure?)

2004-01-16 Thread Matt Price
Hi everyone,

my work machine has been crashing spontaneously: X freezes, sshd goes
down, and I can't use the keyboard.  This only happens
when Im in the office, so I think it likely has something to do with
my physical presence...  

In particular, we have a USB-kvm switch that I use to switch between
the workstation and a webstation.  I use it rarely, except when
something seems to be wrong with my desktop...  which has been
happening a lot lately...  

Anyway, I can't figure out the significance of the pre-crash system
messages.  Here's a representtive sample:

Jan 16 17:08:01 pc09 postgres[1590]: [8] LOG:  database system is
ready 
Jan 16 17:08:03 pc09 xfs: CONFIG: extra value for parameter
"cache-balance"  
Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/ (unreadable)  
Jan 16 17:08:04 pc09 xfs: ignoring font path element
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/CID (unreadable)  
Jan 16 17:08:13 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8310 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:08:20 pc09 kernel: 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86
nvidia.o Kernel Module  1.0-4496  Wed Jul 16 19:03:09 PDT 2003 
Jan 16 17:10:18 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8319 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:12:23 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8329 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:14:28 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8337 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:16:33 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8348 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:18:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8373 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:20:43 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8381 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 
Jan 16 17:27:40 pc09 kernel: klogd 1.4.1#13, log

...

and another:

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbkbd already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver hid already loaded

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver usbmouse already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver keybdev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1832]: kernel driver mousedev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbkbd already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver hid already loaded

Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver usbmouse already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver keybdev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:28:20 pc09 usb.agent[1834]: kernel driver mousedev already
loaded 
Jan 16 17:29:02 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8475 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:31:07 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8497 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:33:12 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8515 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:35:17 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8530 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 16:37:38 pc09 kernel: IN=eth0 OUT=
MAC=01:00:5e:00:00:01:00:50:99:bf:df:18:08:00 SRC=128.100.34.3
DST=224.0.0.1 LEN=28 TOS=0x00 PREC=0x00 TTL=1 ID=8553 PROTO=2  
Jan 16 17:45:03 pc09 syslogd 1.4.1#13: restart. 

Now I don't really know what this stuff is telling me, but they don't
look so bad.  So I'm wondering whether the error, whatever it is,
isn't being recorded.
 
Are there general guidelines as  to where to go next with this kind of
problem?  It's fairly annoying...

thanks,
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Re: HELP: new to debian 3.0

2004-01-16 Thread Nano Nano
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:00:39PM -0500, r o b wrote:
> 
> 3) the sound driver was either not installed, or not configured properly on 
> installation.  I get the error:
> "error initializing sound driver:
>   device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)"
> ...when logging in.

adduser  audio
...that much for sure...probably other things too

> 
> 4) is there any way to shutdown/reboot the system while logged in as a user?  I'd 
> rather not have to su to root everytime to power down.

Ctrl-Alt-Delete at the console


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HELP: new to debian 3.0

2004-01-16 Thread r o b
Hi,
I've just installed Debian 3.0...pretty much without a hitch.  Now I'm trying to get 
everything in working order.  There's a few things I'm unsure of:

1) upon installing the system, I set the clock time to GTM, rather than local time.  
Now when it displays the time, it's -5 hours behind my local time.  How can I 
reconfigure this?

I've modified /etc/default/rcS, "UTC=no"...but that didn't fix it.


2) I have a scroll mouse...but the 'scrolling' part isn't working.

In looking in /etc/X11/XF86Config-4, both InputDevices: Configured Mouse and Generic 
Mouse have the lines:
Option"ZAxisMapping"   "4 5"


3) the sound driver was either not installed, or not configured properly on 
installation.  I get the error:
"error initializing sound driver:
  device /dev/dsp can't be opened (permission denied)"
...when logging in.


4) is there any way to shutdown/reboot the system while logged in as a user?  I'd 
rather not have to su to root everytime to power down.


Thanks in advance,
r o b


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Re: [SOLVED] Re: lost configuration after reboot

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:09:13PM +0100, Erich Waelde wrote:
> For parameters changed via /proc fs, changes across reboots can also be
> "saved" in /etc/sysctl.conf

Oh, nice :-)  Thank you, Erich.

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Re: [SOLVED] Re: lost configuration after reboot

2004-01-16 Thread Erich Waelde

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 08:54:50AM -0500, Harland Christofferson wrote:
> > At Thursday, 15 January 2004, Jan Minar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > >On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 05:49:46PM -0500, Debian User wrote:
> > >>   packets were not being forwarded from the 192.168.1.
> > >> 1 eth1 interface to the 10.20.1.158 eth0 interface.
> 
> 
> 
> > I also needed to echo 1 > proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward to get it 
> > working too.
> 
> Shame on me, I still keep to forget...
> The Debian way is to configure this in /etc/network/options:
> 
> ip_forward=yes
> 

For parameters changed via /proc fs, changes across reboots can also be
"saved" in /etc/sysctl.conf

cat /etc/sysctl.conf
#
# /etc/sysctl.conf - Configuration file for setting system variables
# See sysctl.conf (5) for information.
#
#kernel.domainname = example.com
#net/ipv4/icmp_echo_ignore_broadcasts=1
net/ipv4/ip_forward=1


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Re: My system has Flashbacks?

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 02:52:31PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 01:39:40PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote:
> > It's a feature.  The ATX PCs are mostly on, even when ``off'' (think
> > standby), too.
> 
> Which is a misfeature. Sometimes on a dual-boot system "ATX-off" isn't
> enough to reset everything and you have to pull the plug to avoid it locking
> up when booting the other OS.

It should allow such things as waking up on network activity, etc.  You
have malfunctioning HW/SW even without ATX :-(

>   It can also result in damaged hardware if you
> swap bits around without pulling the plug.

Well, you just have to switch it off first... ;-)  Every decent ATX
power supply has a /real/ power switch.  It's at the back of the PC,
usually.

Cheers,
Jan.

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fetchmail skips messages even if ~/.fetchids is truncated

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
Hi everybody.

I want fetchmail(1) to fetch all the messages left on the server.  But
even removing/truncating ~/.fetchids doesn't help.  (I assured there was
no fetchmail running when I removed/truncated it.)

With ``fetchmail --verbose --nodetach --fetchlimit 2'', fetchmail
fetches two messages, then it says:

| fetchmail: fetchlimit 2 reached; 162 messages left on server \
| pop3.seznam.cz account Jan.Minar

Every further wakeup will just skip the ``old'' messages.

Any clues?

I enclose my ~/.fetchmailrc

TIA,
Jan.

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Re: debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Rick Weinbender
Colin Watson wrote:

> On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 01:06:58PM -0600, Rick Weinbender wrote:
> > I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
> > 'apt-get install bastille'  command.
> > It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
> > command that can be entered from the commandline.
> > When I type it, I get:
> > 
> > RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
> >/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
> >/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
> >/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. BEGIN
> >failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
> > /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.
>
> You need to install the libcurses-perl package.
> http://packages.debian.org/ can help you find packages containing files.
>
> Cheers,
>
> --
> Colin Watson  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>

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>>You need to install the libcurses-perl package

THANKS!!, that is exactly right.  It's working now.
Have a great weekend,
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Re: debian pwd

2004-01-16 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:37:57PM +0100, Arkel wrote:
> hello guys
> 
> does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not
> supposed to
> 
> thx a lot
> Arkel
> 
 man su; man sudo


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changing fonts from cm* in plain tex

2004-01-16 Thread Antonio Rodriguez
Does anyone know of a url where it is explained simple and fast how to
use different fonts in tetex (for plain)? There are several docs in
http://localhost/doc/tetex-base/texmf/index.html, but none seems to be
fast enough for the little time I have to find out. I just tried
things like 
\font\myfont=pagk following
http://tug.org/fontname/html/Standard-PostScript-fonts.html
but it didn't work as I would expect.
Or may be someone can indicate? Thanks...


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Re: debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 01:06:58PM -0600, Rick Weinbender wrote:
> I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
> 'apt-get install bastille'  command.
> It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
> command that can be entered from the commandline.
> When I type it, I get:
> 
> RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
>/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
>/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
>/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. BEGIN
>failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
> /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.

You need to install the libcurses-perl package.
http://packages.debian.org/ can help you find packages containing files.

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Unable to update and upgrade 'sid'

2004-01-16 Thread Davi Leal
I am unable to update and upgrade Debian unstable 'sid', after being 20 days 
without updating, upgrading. The error output is the same using dselect or 
aptitude.

Any comment will be appreciated.
Regards,
Davi



# apt-get -f remove

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  dia
0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 312 not upgraded.
10 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B of archives.
After unpacking 412kB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
(Reading database ... 124229 files and directories currently installed.)
Removing dia ...
dpkg (subprocess): unable to execute post-removal script: Exec format error
dpkg: error processing dia (--remove):
 subprocess post-removal script returned error exit status 2
Errors were encountered while processing:
 dia
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)




# dselect

Reading Package Lists... Done
Building Dependency Tree... Done
Correcting dependencies... Done
The following packages will be REMOVED:
  gimp1.3 gimp1.3-nonfree
The following NEW packages will be installed:
  libk3bcore2 libk3bplugin1 libk3bproject1 libk3btools1 libselinux1 swaks
The following packages will be upgraded
  artsbuilder atlantik buffer cupsys-bsd cupsys-client cyrus21-admin 
cyrus21-common cyrus21-imapd cyrus21-pop3d debconf-doc dh-make
  dia-common discover-data dnstop dvdauthor dvhtool edict efibootmgr emovix 
ethereal ethereal-common flim fortune-mod fortunes-min gaim
  gconf2 gettext gettext-base gimp1.3-data gimpprint-locales gnat-3.3 
gnome-mime-data gnome-vlc gocr gphoto2 grep-dctrl hddtemp john
  jpilot k3b kaboodle kaddressbook kaffe kalarm kamera kandy kanjidic 
kappfinder karm kasteroids kate katomic kaudiocreator kbackgammon
  kbattleship kblackbox kbounce kcmlinuz kcoloredit kcontrol kcron kdat kdbg 
kdeadmin kdeadmin-kfile-plugins kdebase-bin kdebase-data
  kdebase-kio-plugins kdegames kdegames-card-data kdegraphics 
kdegraphics-kfile-plugins kdelibs kdelibs4-doc kdemultimedia-kfile-plugins
  kdemultimedia-kio-plugins kdenetwork kdenetwork-kfile-plugins kdepim-libs 
kdeprint kdesktop kdict kdvi kenolaba kernel-package
  kernel-patch-scripts kfax kfind kfouleggs kget kghostview kgpgcertmanager 
khelpcenter kicker kiconedit kit kjumpingcube klickety klines
  klipper kmahjongg kmail kmailcvt kmenuedit kmid kmidi kmines kmrml 
knewsticker knode knotes kolf konqueror-nsplugins konquest konsole
  kooka korganizer korn kpackage kpager kpaint kpat kpersonalizer kpf kpilot 
kpoker kpovmodeler kppp krdc krec kreversi krfb kruler ksame
  kscd kshisen ksirc ksirtet ksmiletris ksmserver ksnake ksnapshot ksokoban 
kspaceduel ksplash ksync ksysguard ksysguardd ksysv ktip
  ktron ktuberling kuickshow kuser kview kviewshell kwin kwin4 kxconfig 
kxmlrpc latex2html lbxproxy libao2 libarts1-audiofile
  libarts1-mpeglib libarts1-xine libasn1-6-heimdal libcap1 libcupsys2 
libcupsys2-dev libcurl2 libcyrus-imap-perl21 libdps1 libelfg0
  libgconf2-4 libgcrypt7 libgd-tools libgd2-noxpm libggi2 libghttp1 libgimp1.3 
libgimpprint1 libgle3 libglib-perl libglut3
  libgnomeprint2.2-0 libgnomeprint2.2-data libgnomeui-common 
libgssapi1-heimdal libgtk2-gladexml-perl libgtk2-perl libieee1284-3
  libintl-gettext-ruby1.6 libkdegames1 libkdenetwork2 libkonq4 
libkrb5-17-heimdal libkscan1 liblingua-preferred-perl libltdl3 libmimelib1
  libnetpbm9 libopencdk8 liborbit2 libparted1.6-0 libpq3 libqt3-i18n 
libqt3c102 libqt3c102-mt-mysql libqt3c102-mt-odbc libqt3c102-mt-psql
  libqt3c102-mysql libqt3c102-odbc libqt3c102-psql librrd0 libruby 
libscrollkeeper0 libsmbclient libwww-perl libxaw7 libxml-libxml-perl
  libxmltv-perl lilo-config lisa lskat lvm-common mdadm megami mgetty-viewfax 
modconf module-init-tools mozilla-plugin-vlc
  mozilla-tabextensions mpeglib mpg321 mtools ncftp nessus nessus-plugins 
nessusd nload noatun openoffice.org-debian-files parted
  parted-doc patchutils pciutils php-elisp ppp prelink proxymngr psfontmgr 
qt3-designer qt3-doc quota razor scrollkeeper secpolicy snort
  snort-common snort-doc snort-rules-default sox spamassassin spamc t1lib1 
tasksel tcl8.4 timidity tk8.4 tvtime twm usbutils valgrind vlc
  vlc-plugin-esd vorbisgain wordnet wordnet-base x-window-system-core 
xbase-clients xdm xfonts-konsole xfs xfwp xine-ui xmltv-gui
  xmltv-util xnest xprt xprt-common xprt-xprintorg xserver-common 
xserver-xfree86 xterm xutils xvfb
297 upgraded, 6 newly installed, 2 to remove and 14 not upgraded.
11 not fully installed or removed.
Need to get 0B/167MB of archives.
After unpacking 26.3MB disk space will be freed.
Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
Reading package fields... Done
Reading package status... Done
Retrieving bug reports... Done
Preconfiguring packages ...
parse error reading X server string `unknown'
parse error reading X server string `unknown'
(Reading database ... 125403 files and directories currently installed.)
Preparing to replace dia-common 0.91-10 
(using .../dia

Re: esd, artsd

2004-01-16 Thread Jan Minar
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 03:08:01PM -0500, Rohit Kumar Mehta wrote:
> I notice that when esd (runs under gnome) or artsd (kde) are running I 
> cannot play mp3s.
> I guess they take an exclusive lock on /dev/dsp?  Does anyone know a 

Exactly.  OSS can't accept more that one thing writing to /dev/dsp at
any given time.  In fact, that's why artsd and esd were invented.

> decent workaround?  It is annoying.

You have to tell your applications to output to artsd/esd, not directly
to /dev/dsp.  IIRC, XMMS supports both, mplayer supports esd; check your
favorite player documentation.

Also, rumors have it, ALSA is superior to OSS.

HTH,
Jan.

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Lists of commands

2004-01-16 Thread David . Grudek
I am looking for a list of commands that are only to debian.  I want to 
learn debian but it would be nice if there was a list of commands that are 
specific to debian and a description of what these commands do.  If it 
exists, please let me know.


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Re: editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)

2004-01-16 Thread Matt Perry
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, Monique Y. Herman wrote:

> What's your preferred choice?

I use both vim and XEmacs daily.  Been using vi/vim for 7+ years and
XEmacs for the last 14 months or so.  There was some annoyance for about 
four or five weeks as I'd use vi commands in emacs and emacs commands in 
vi.  I seem to have gotten past that now and use each without any 
problems.

I like vi because it's quick to start and exit.  I use it for practically
everything from email to editing small shell and Perl scripts.  Emacs
takes too long to start up and I don't want to live inside of it like some
emacs users like to do.

However I do use XEmacs as my java IDE on Windows.  I don't mind the 
startup cost there as I have it up and running for most of the day.

> I think he gives short shrift to vi in various ways ... like, he
> mentions that he's really talking about later versions of vi that have
> rc files and the like, but then he claims that there's no way to add to
> vi functionality without using C, because there's no built-in mini
> language.  The wide variety of apps I can pull from
> http://www.vim.org/scripts/index.php seem to belie this, unless I'm
> totally misunderstanding his point.

Yeah, he doesn't seem to be fully clued in to what vim is capable of now.  
There are a lot fo great scripts to extend vim's functionality.  However,
I've found that installing a lot of these vim plugins will increase vim's
startup time, sometimes by a considerable amount.

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Re: Berried Question

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:32:41PM -0800, Dennis Kaplan wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I think my question got berried in the list so I like to add some more info 
> and ask again.
> 
> One of my two Debian installations is very slow.
> On the bottom I have added the output of top & the output of hdparm.
> 
> Intel 1000 MHz, 1000Mb Ram, 40 + 20GB HD
> 
> The slow machine:
> Intel Celeron Processor 1 GHz
> 100 MHz System Bus
> 256 KB L2 Cache
> Amptron ?PIII-3758TLM Board v 5.2
> ? ? MicroATX with SiS630eT Chipset
> 
> Kernel: I have tried many.
> 
> At first I did not know if the problem was with the hd speed the memory speed 
> or the CPU till I found out that it was the CPU load, meanwhile I have tried 
> following installations with no change in speed
> 
> 1) Regular of the newest Debian CDs
> 2) using Knoppix hdinstall 2.4.22-xfs then upgraded to the 686 Kernel did not 
> use xfs
> 3) using Morphix hdinstall with kernel 2.4.21-xfs and used xfs file system
> 4) using Morphix hdinstall with kernel upgrade to 686-smp but did not get it
> to work
> 5) running now Morphix hdinstall with kernel 2.4.21-xfs but not with the xfs 
> file system
> 
> The problem is the CPU load when idle it runs between 5-30 %
> As soon as I start an application it goes up to 100% and stays there till
> the application is done loading. Loading an application like Kmail takes
> about 2 to 3 minutes.
> 
> /dev/hda:
> ?Timing buffer-cache reads: ? 172 MB in ?2.00 seconds = ?86.00 MB/sec
> 
> /dev/hdb:
> ?Timing buffer-cache reads: ? 100 MB in ?2.06 seconds = ?48.54 MB/sec

I'm guessing a bit here, but these figures look very slow for a 100MHz
system bus. Some BIOSes allow you to change various settings to do with bus
speed, DRAM timings and the like. Have these got screwed somehow? Can you
"Load optimised defaults" in the BIOS setup and does it change anything
and/or affect the speed?

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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 03:07:48 -0600, Alex Malinovich wrote:

> 
> See above reference to proper usage of the 'find' command. It really
> comes in handy in situations like this. :) <- Once again. Smiley. Joke.
> Ha ha. Funny. Etc, etc, etc, ad nauseaum. Need I go on? :)

I owe you an apology.  I shouldn't have written or posted my somewhat
mean-spirited reply.  In my defense, I have had a very trying and worrying
few days.   Nevertheless, I need to keep my attitude out of here.

I withdraw what I said and apologize unreservedly, both to you and to the
other list inhabitants who had to read my remarks.

I will try to confine my posts in the future to either questions or
helpful answers.

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esd, artsd

2004-01-16 Thread Rohit Kumar Mehta
I notice that when esd (runs under gnome) or artsd (kde) are running I 
cannot play mp3s.
I guess they take an exclusive lock on /dev/dsp?  Does anyone know a 
decent workaround?  It is annoying.

Rohit

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Re: debian pwd

2004-01-16 Thread Enrico Zini
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 08:37:57PM +0100, Arkel wrote:

> does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not
> supposed to

If you find out how, please report it as a bug with severity "critical"
against the involved package.  Thank you.  :)

Ciao,

Enrico


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debian pwd

2004-01-16 Thread Arkel
hello guys

does anybody know how to get super user privilege when a normal user not
supposed to

thx a lot
Arkel


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Re: Good experience with radio tuner cards?

2004-01-16 Thread Nate Duehr
On Friday 16 January 2004 11:02 am, Kirk Strauser wrote:
> At 2004-01-16T17:51:24Z, Nate Duehr <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > Unless you have an application where you must control the tuner of
> > the radio from the PC, why not just use a cheap radio and a cable to
> > the LINE IN port of your soundcard to get it to your nicer PC
> > speakers.
>
> My kid could do that.  Where's the geek appeal?  :-)
>
> Actually, one nice advantage to a software-controlled radio is that I
> can automate recording of programs I like.  I know I could do the same
> thing with a tape recorder and a timer outlet, but not as well or as
> conveniently.

Then you have "an application where you must control the tuner of the 
radio".  ;-)

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Re: Linux compatability for IBM desktop machines

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 06:56:56AM -0600, Kent West wrote:
> PS. What's will all these web vendors all of a sudden putting on their 
> sites messages like "* IBM recommends Microsoft ? Windows ? XP 
> Professional"  and "**TigerDirect recommends Microsoft? Windows? XP" and 
> "* Dell recommends Microsoft^?  Windows^?   XP" (all copied from their 
> respective web sites)? It just seems too coordinated, and yet when I 
> wrote to TigerDirect the response "assured" me they did not put that on 
> their web site due to pressure from Microsoft. Uh huh. Okay.

Not just websites. I've seen lots of that in computer ads in newspapers
lately. Makes me want to start selling hardware myself, just so I can put in
the advert "Pigeon Computers recommends Debian GNU/Linux"...

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Re: complete vs. detached GPG signatures

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 10:17:30AM -0700, Rob Sims wrote:
> On Wednesday 14 January 2004 01:41 pm, Pigeon wrote:
> ...
> > "Make a signature":
> >   original-file.txt, 13021 bytes
> >   -- signing process -->
> >   original-file.txt + separate signature file, length 5105 bytes, named
> >   "original-file.txt.gpg", containing binary data
> > 
> > From this, it looks to me as if "Make a clear text signature" corresponds to
> > your definition for "complete signature", and we also have two different
> > types of "detached signature", a short form which actually is called a
> > "detached signature" and a much longer form which is just a "signature".
> 
> The original-file.txt.gpg file is complete; you could send it to someone
> and  it would be readable using GPG and your public key.  It's only 5105
> bytes because files are compressed before encryption (signed files are
> encrypted with your private key, decryptable by anyone with your public
> key).  By signing and not clear-signing, you force anyone who wants to 
> read your message to use the tool that will also verify authenticity.
> By clearsigning, you make signature verification optional.
> ...
> Most encryption first compresses the data both to hide underlying patterns
> (good compression is virtually indistinguishable from random data) and
> to reduce the amount of data to encrypt.  Further, compression of 
> well encrypted data is not possible (encrypted data also appears to be
> random), so compression done first is the only way to save space and/or
> bandwidth.

I see. The fog clears... Many thanks for your comprehensive explanation.

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Re: debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-01-16, Rick Weinbender penned:
> Hi,
> I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
> 'apt-get install bastille'  command.
> It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
> command that can be entered from the commandline.
> When I type it, I get:
> 
> RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
>/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
>/usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
>/usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. BEGIN
>failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
> /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.
> *
> I've tried installing libncurses using
> 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
> which installs fine, but doesn't get rid of that error message.
> I know this isn't completely a debian issue, but
> if anyone could help with this I'd appreciate it.
> Thanks,
> -Rick
>

Looks to me like it's looking for *perl's* curses library, not the C
curses library.

Jump into dselect or aptitude to check dependencies, and I bet your
problems will be solved.

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Re: 2.6.0 + ALSA sound quality

2004-01-16 Thread Derrick 'dman' Hudson
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 11:29:36AM +0100, Bjorn Johansson wrote:

| I've recently compiled a 2.6.0 kernel with ALSA built in.
| But the sound doesn't sound to good, in fact, the sound
| sounds worse than OSS! So how do I fix the problem?
| It's like a clipping sound, the OSS emulation works
| great, though.

I would re-check the hardware options first.  When you use the OSS
modules, what DMA channel and IRQ is used?  What about when you use
ALSA?  

| Is there anyone here on this list which have a working ALSA
| system with great sound(with the 2.6.0 kernel)?

Yes.  I have two systems, one still with 2.4.22 (with ALSA 0.9) the
other with 2.6.0.  The former system has a SB Pro (old 8-bit ISA
card), the latter is a laptop with an ESS Maestro built-in.

| Do I need to patch my current 2.6.0 kernel with something?

No.  At least, not for the sound cards I am using.  The last time I
had problems with sound quality it was the result of the kernel and
hardware not agreeing on an IRQ and/or DMA channel to use.  Basically
the system couldn't get the data to the hardware in time for the sound
to come out smooth and continuous.

HTH,
-D

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ieee1394 on boot?

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Jack
Hi,

I'm running x86 Sid (2.4.22 kernel), most everything "just works" after 
installing discover and hotplug.

However, I use Kino to do digital video editing, and to import/export 
video to my MiniDV camcorder.

The import/export won't work unless as root I do a manual modprobe for 
the video1394 driver, then a manual mknod to create the correct 
character device.

Question #1:
How can I set it up so that the modprobe/mknod happens at boot?
Question #2:
Is it reasonable to expect hotplug to handle that automatically when I 
plug in my camcorder?

Thanks for your time,

-Paul

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Re: debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello

Rick Weinbender (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
> 'apt-get install bastille'  command.
> It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
> command that can be entered from the commandline.
> When I type it, I get:
> 
> RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
>/usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1
>/usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1
>/usr/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line
>2. BEGIN
>failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
> /usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.
> *
> I've tried installing libncurses using
> 'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
> which installs fine, but doesn't get rid of that error message.
> I know this isn't completely a debian issue, but
> if anyone could help with this I'd appreciate it.

First, you installed the nurses headers, but this is not what you need.

apt-get install libncurses-perl

should help.

Second, I think the Bastille package was broken in Woody r0. If you use
Woody, make sure you at least have the package from r1 installed.

Third, Bastille also has an X interface that uses TK. Install perl-tk if
you want to use it.

best regards
Andreas Janssen

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editors (was: Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian)

2004-01-16 Thread Monique Y. Herman
On 2004-01-16, Pigeon penned:
>
>
> I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the "standard tools", I use ed.
> I find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously.
>
>

What's your preferred choice?

I'm just now reading the chapter comparing editors (A Tale of Five
Editors) in ESR's new book, so this discussion is interesting to me.

http://www.faqs.org/docs/artu/ch13s02.html

I think he gives short shrift to vi in various ways ... like, he
mentions that he's really talking about later versions of vi that have
rc files and the like, but then he claims that there's no way to add to
vi functionality without using C, because there's no built-in mini
language.  The wide variety of apps I can pull from
http://www.vim.org/scripts/index.php seem to belie this, unless I'm
totally misunderstanding his point.

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Re: IDE-SCSI lost after boot up!

2004-01-16 Thread Andreas Janssen
Hello

Raiz_mpx (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> [...]
>
> Wow followed your suggestions about removing the modules in questions
> and then modprobing them back into the kernel.  I thought that
> modules support was supposed to be smart and take care of problems
> like this?

Well, CD writers and CD ROMs or DVD ROMs are supported by both the
ide-cd and ide-scsi driver. The system does not know which driver to
use for which device, unless you configure it properly. Until then, the
driver loaded first is used. Btw, you can also tell the drivers which
devices to use by configuring your boot loader, e.g.:

append="hdc=ide-scsi"

This will also work if the ide-cd driver is built into the kernel, e.g.
with the 2.4.18-bf2.4 kernel.

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Re: building ATI Radeon Drives for Sarge on Kernel 2.6

2004-01-16 Thread Roberto Sanchez
hanasaki wrote:
Anyone know the trick to this?  I followed the ATI directions.. no luck


Are you using a stock kernel or a self-built kernel?  If self-built,
how was it built? (kernel-package, make *config && make && make install,
some sther method)
-Roberto


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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Erik Steffl
Micha Feigin wrote:
...
advantages. vi (not vim) I haven't fully figured out yet. Mostly the
part about deleting text (the backspace functionality), and while I am
...
  just check any vi quick reference, in command mode us x (backspace), 
X (delete), d and move command etc.

  In insert mode backspace should work (almost) as expected but not 
always update display, i.e. it might go back and delete characters but 
they are still on the screen so it might be a bit confusing. Backspace 
in vi does not go across lines (if you are at the beginning of the line 
the backspace does nothing). It also depends on settings of your 
terminal (and keyboard), if backspace does not work delete might work 
(just like you'd expect backspace to work) or ctrl-h.

  Note that the vi is quite often one or another clone (nvi, elvis, 
...) so the behaviour might be slightly different (and depend on 
configuration)

  not sure if (at least some of) this addresses your question, you are 
not very specific (not sure what problem with backsapce you have)

	erik

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What do pex5 + xft X extensions do?

2004-01-16 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom
Hi,

For some reason I have in my XF86Config-4:

Load  "pex5"
...
Load"xft"
...
and the log says the modules are not found, which is true.

But what do they do?
I have Xft enabled in Mozilla, but this must be something else.
Thanks!

Hugo.

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debian and Interactivebastille

2004-01-16 Thread Rick Weinbender
Hi,
I've just installed bastille on Debian using the
'apt-get install bastille'  command.
It looks like there is an 'InteractiveBastille'
command that can be entered from the commandline.
When I type it, I get:

RAW ERROR: Can't locate Curses.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /usr/lib
   /usr/local/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.6.1 /usr/lib/perl5
   /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1 /usr/share/perl/5.6.1
   /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 1) line 2. BEGIN
   failed--compilation aborted at (eval 1) line 2.  at
/usr/sbin/InteractiveBastille line 243.
*
I've tried installing libncurses using
'apt-get install libncurses5-dev'
which installs fine, but doesn't get rid of that error message.
I know this isn't completely a debian issue, but
if anyone could help with this I'd appreciate it.
Thanks,
-Rick


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Re: My system has Flashbacks?

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 01:39:40PM +0100, Jan Minar wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:34:02PM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > Vaguely ? propos, I notice that modern printers keep a mass of memory 
> > alive, even when you switch them off. 
> 
> Interesting... thank for the info.

Is that the printer or the printing backend on the PC? I've noticed that, if
I'm messing about with printer setup and accidentally start printing 200
pages of garbage, simply lprm-ing the job or clicking "Cancel Job" on the
CUPS web admin page is not enough. I have to turn off the printer AND do a
kill -9 on all the processes associated with printing that job. Which is a
pain.

> >   You have to physically pull the plug to clear the memory.  
> 
> It's a feature.  The ATX PCs are mostly on, even when ``off'' (think
> standby), too.

Which is a misfeature. Sometimes on a dual-boot system "ATX-off" isn't
enough to reset everything and you have to pull the plug to avoid it locking
up when booting the other OS. It can also result in damaged hardware if you
swap bits around without pulling the plug. I make a habit of installing a
"proper" power switch - double-pole mains contacts for the mains input, and
auxiliary momentary low-voltage contacts to which the leads for the
so-called "power" button are connected (this type of switch is commonly
found in TVs and can be obtained from places that do TV spares).

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Re: [Fwd: Preliminary investigation were started]

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 04:48:52PM +0100, Joachim Fahnenmueller wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 09:41:25PM +, Joseph Jones wrote:
> >  Original Message 
> > Subject: Preliminary investigation were started
 ^^
> > Ladies and Gentlemen,
> > Downloading of Movies, MP3s and Software is illegal and punishable by law.
> > 
> > We hereby inform you that your computer was scanned under the IP 
> > 193.233.145.44 . The
> > contents of your computer were confiscated as an evidence, and you will 
> > be indicated. ^^^
^
ROFL! 

> > Anybody else got this crap?
> 
> Yes, but it seemed not to have a worm. Did they forget to attach it?

Seems worms are often broken. It's not uncommon to receive the textual
garbage part of Swen without the payload, for instance.

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Re: OT: Why stonehenge Sucks

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 11:17:09PM -0800, Paul Johnson wrote:
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> On Wed, Jan 14, 2004 at 07:27:06PM +, Pigeon wrote:
> > > (the average distance a tourist moves 
> > > from their car is 300 yds or some such number).
> > 
> > Just far enough to get to a public toilet...
> 
> I never understood this.  I usually try to find some compromise with
> being able to get out easily and not having to walk more than four
> blocks from where I parked if I'm at home, work or on errands.  But if
> I'm out on vacation, the car's just gonna get ditched from time to
> time along the way.

Same here. Especially given that the Lake District is *made* for walking,
and trying to drive there in the tourist season is a painful experience -
very narrow roads, flanked by drystone walls and filled with idiots who are
unable to judge the width of their cars.

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Re: If a computer is sold with preinstalled SUSE, shouldn't it work with Debian?

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:34:08PM -0600, Jeffrey L. Taylor wrote:
> Quoting alex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > It would seem ridiculous to sell a computer that has a modem that can't 
> > be used with the operating system that came preinstalled.
> 
> The winmodem may be built into the motherboard.  The seller is taking
> an OEM's whitebox, installing an OS on it and (optionally) slapping
> their own name one it.

...me, I'd disable the onboard winmodem in the BIOS and buy an external
serial modem. They seem to be dead cheap nowadays, and you're more or less
guaranteed a total lack of problems. Also you get pretty flashing lights in
case you do get problems, and a better chance of it acting as a fuse to save
your motherboard from lightning strikes to the phone line.

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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:47:34PM -0600, Nitebirdz wrote:
> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 11:24:17AM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> > On Thursday 15 January 2004 09:19, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> > > I'm taking a class this semester which is all about installing and
> > > using Linux. After talking with the professor on Tuesday, I've
> > > learned a few details. First, I have to use Vulgarly Illogical for my
> > > text editor for the purposes of labs, tests, etc. As illustrated by
> > > the previous sentence, I'm an emacs user. :)
> > [...]
> > I have to admit to the reverse prejudice.  Cannot get all those ctl-X 
> > combinations into my head...
> >
> 
> Actually, there is also a reason to teach 'vi' in classes like that.  We
> all have our own personal preferences when it comes to editors, but the
> reality still is that quite often when a system is half broken in single
> user mode and one needs to edit this or that file to bring it back to life
> 'vi' is the only editor available.  Believe me, I've been doing technical
> support for quite a while and had to walk a few sysadmins through the 
> painful process of editing in file using 'vi' when they had absolutely no
> knowledge of the tool.

I hate both of 'em. If all I've got is the "standard tools", I use ed. I
find it *much* less painful than using vi. Or emacs. Seriously.

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Re: paper orientation - cups - mozilla

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 12:26:24PM +, Richard Lyons wrote:
> When I try to print from Mozilla, I get the image turned 270 deg (90 deg 
> clockwise) so that the top third or so is off the long side of the 
> sheet.  Most other apps print normally - and most give access to setup 
> options (I think part of the cups setup) for paper orientation when 
> printing, should there be a problem.  But Mozilla has 
>   File > page setup: where the page is set as portrait,
>> print preview: which produces a correct page preview,
>> print: which offers a choice of printers (not the usual cups
> choices, but a dropdown with one option,
> "Postscript/default", and a "properties" button, which
> opens a window with a choice of paper sizes , with the 
> correct default, the printer command given as
> "lpr ${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME:+'-P'}${MOZ_PRINTER_NAME}",
> a choice of b+w or colour, and margin settings.
> No choice of orientation.

I've got cupsys-bsd installed, and replace the "lpr ${MOZ-blurgle}" printer
command with just plain "lp". This has never given me any problems, and the
printer command is persistent. (To print to a printer other than the default
I enter "lp -d other-printer's-name".)

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Re: no response from the most generic 3-button mouses

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Fri, Jan 16, 2004 at 07:47:42AM +0800, Dan Jacobson wrote:
> In XF86Config-4, these work fine for my Trackman Marble+:
> Option "Device" "/dev/ttyS1"
> Option "Protocol" "IntelliMouse"
> But when I instead attach the most common simplest 3 button mouses,
> I get no response from the mouses at all. mdetect doesn't detect them,
> moving around the mouse or not, yes with xdm stopped, using just the
> console. mdetect detects the Trackman Marble+ fine.  No, I don't have
> gpm or imwheel installed.  Saying
> # Option "Protocol" "MouseSystems"
> # Option "Protocol" "Microsoft
> doesn't help.  I don't think these matter
> Option "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
> Option "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
> when trying to get the least response from the mouse, so I didn't
> remove them.
> 
> For instance, I'm talking about mouses like this:
> http://home.att.net/~nalutz-lgi/List_of_Product_Table_Contents/index/Product__5/Roltek_PS2_3-Button-Mouse__New/roltek_ps2_3-button-mouse__new.html
> 
> Krone Whale Mouse, and Mouse GM 203P.

PS/2 mice - those with the mini-DIN plug - use a different device. You want
/dev/psaux for the Device and probably PS/2 for Protocol (for a plain
3-button mouse) or ImPS/2 (if it's got scroll wheels).

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Re: HELP

2004-01-16 Thread Pigeon
On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 05:19:55PM -0800, Harold Backer wrote:
> Hi I am new to Dedian list to get a list of the I am
> guestiong it is called the command prompt function
> name and what does it do this is an example "Cfdisk"
> please help I think this one make a new disk thank you

I have a certain amount of difficulty understanding your question due to the
lack of punctuation, but I think you want the "man" command, for example:

man cfdisk

tells you all about cfdisk. It doesn't "make a new disk" - people like
Seagate and Western Digital do that :-) - it allows you to edit the
partition table, which is necessary when installing a new disk.

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Re: OT: Why the net Sucks: Stonehenge

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 00:24:27 -0800, Nano Nano wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:53:03PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>> 
>> You can get that.  You could research at the British Museum, for example.
>> What you really want is everything for free, and you can't reasonably
>> expect people to give away the copyrighted product of their hard work to
>> freeloaders.
>> 
>> If you really seriously want to research Stonehenge on the Web, then
>> quit whining and get your credit card out.
> 
> Well, we all know how this debate goes.  Let's just assume we've said 
> all the usual things and call it over.
> 
> Knowledge is the right of all people.  Artificial barriers to knowledge 
> must not be created.

Actually, not quite yet over.

I owe you, and extend, an apology:  my last sentence was too far over the
top and uncalled for.

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Re: Red Hat and Debian differences (ignore previous thread)

2004-01-16 Thread Arkel
apt-get in an option
fedora is heavier and bugged
if you want to use redhat prefer shrike (redhat 9)
Ark


Kent West wrote:

> Alex Malinovich wrote:
> 
>>Ok, it seems that my previous thread was broadly misunderstood on this
>>topic, so my apologies for not expressing myself more clearly.
>>
> Don't feel too bad; it was my impression (and just my impression - I'm
> not accusing anyone of anything) that you did not say anything wrong in
> your previous post, but that you got a shotgun blast in the face from
> someone with an itchy trigger finger. But that's just my impression,
> based on a medium (email) that is not conducive to shades of
> meaning/intent/etc.
> 
>> Any other
>>considerations notwithstanding, what are the structural differences
>>between Fedora and Debian? So far I know that documents are in a
>>different path, and Richard has informed me of the differences in the
>>init procedure. Anything else I should be aware of?
>>
>>  
>>
> 
> Sorry I can't supply any info on this; I've never used RedHat/Fedora.
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Re: Differences in RH Fedora coming from Debian

2004-01-16 Thread Paul Morgan
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 08:08:33 -0500, Carl Fink wrote:

> On Thu, Jan 15, 2004 at 03:11:55PM -0500, Paul Morgan wrote:
>  
>> Firstly, you are not going to make many friends by dissing what many
>> long-time Unix programmers regard as the best test editor going.  So you
>> can pretty much assume, as a result, that at least 50% of vi geeks are not
>> going to be prepared to help you out, including me.
> 
> That's a very bizarre attitude.  I would understand it if you *wrote* vi,
> but how can someone else saying "I like emacs a lot" personally offend you,
> because you like vi instead?  It's nuts.

Evidently you completely misunderstood my reply.  Your problem, not mine.

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Re: problem with network configurations

2004-01-16 Thread enantiomer
Uwe Dippel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> On Thu, 15 Jan 2004 10:50:11 +0100, enantiomer wrote:
> 
> > I tried doing some diagnostics by running
> > ifconfig and route, but they dont return any values at all.
> 
> What do you mean with 'not at all' ??
> I'd expect a lo0 to 127.0.0.1 at least. Some route, probably.
> 
> If both are really empty, I'd have to guess that the network isn't started
>  / TCP/IP not installed at all. Strange.
It really wasn't displaying anything at all.  I made some changes to
the interfaces file and now it seems to work well enough.  I am still
having trouble with what i think is my dns though.  mozilla will wait
like 5 minutes on a site before opening it, all the while saying
'waiting for www.google.com' at the bottom left of the application. 
Any bites on this one?  Thanks for all the help everyone.  Also, I
just installed linux last week, so if I don't know about some of these
config files to run that are pretty standard, please forgive me.
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Re: HELP

2004-01-16 Thread Arkel

you ll find that on google
or in a book "Linux in a nutshell" with more than 600 pages about commands
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> Hi I am new to Dedian list to get a list of the I am
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> name and what does it do this is an example "Cfdisk"
> please help I think this one make a new disk thank you
> 
> 
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Re: No Java on Thunderbird and Sid ?

2004-01-16 Thread Uwe Dippel
On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 18:30:11 +0100, Kent West wrote:

> You wrote that you're "
> using the recommended jdk from Blackdown", but I'm not sure which one
> that might be. You'll need to get the one that matches the version of
> gcc that you're using. There are two sdk files, one for gcc2, and one
> for gcc3. Whichever one you downloaded, you might try the other one.

1.4.2-rc1 for gcc 3.2; according to what was written in here for Firebird
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