Magic for OpenOffice (file)

[Magnus Therning]

A quick search in Google didn't reveal any solution (only found one
reference, in Japanese).

 $ file -i file.sxw
 file.sxw: application/x-zip

It would be really nice if 'file' could give proper the correct type for
OpenOffice documents. Anyone who has an entry for /etc/magic that make
sit happen?

/M

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Re: jython install

[Randall Smith]

Randall Smith wrote:
If you have installed Jython, maybe you can help.
I just installed Jython using apt-get install jython.  I'm not a Java 
programmer.  When I fire up the interpreter and type 'import java', I 
get an import error saying the module can't be found.  Any help?

Randall

Thought this might be helpful.  What does java not import?
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ jython -v
import: 'exceptions' as org.python.core.exceptions in builtin modules
Jython 2.1 on java3.3.3 (JIT: null)
import: 'site' as /usr/lib/python2.1/site$py.class
import: 'sys' as sys in builtin modules
import: 'os' as org.python.modules.os in builtin modules
import: 'javaos' as /usr/share/jython/Lib/javaos$py.class
import: 'java' not found (=> ImportError)
Randall
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Re: e-mail from local host

[Magnus Therning]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 11:56:56PM -0300, Juan Nin wrote:
>From: "Luis Finotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
>>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT
>> TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> host mailv.math.ucsb.edu [128.111.88.21]: 504
>> :
>> Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified
>> hostname
>
>you should have a FQDN hostname (fully-qualified domain name)
>the remote SMTP server rejects you connection, because your machine
>identifies itslef as "debian" which is not an existent hostname
>
>change your hostname so as to have an FQDN hostname (host.domain.tld)

If you don't like the name your ISP gives you, you might even be given a
different name every time you re-connect, you might be interested in the
ez-ipupdate package. It will automate the updating of your IP with
several free DNS services.

Register a nice name with one of these services, install ez-ipupdate,
and then make sure that your FQDN is proper (/etc/hosts is the file to
modify).

/M

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Removing gForge --- can I overcome 'permanent corruption of your debconf and package databases'?

[Lucas Barbuto]

Hi Debian Users,

I've recently got into some trouble with the gforge package.  Namely, it
didn't install properly, now I can't remove it.  Specifically, the
packages gforge-shell-ldap and gforge-ldap-openldap can't be
uninstalled, leaving apt in an unusable state.  I have submitted a bug
report for gforge-shell-ldap to which the maintainer hasn't replied,
however, he has replied to a similar bug (relating to the installation
of gforge-ldap-openldap) in which he's referred to my problem as
"permanent corruption of your debconf and package databases".

I'm hoping someone can help me find a hack/work-around for this problem,
or at least give me some idea of how I might be able to work through it
because I'm lost.

Here's the relevant bug reports:

Bug #241389: Pre-removal script returns error exit status 5
Bug #237229: gforge-ldap-openldap: LDAP Configuration Failed

I'm running Sid.  If anyone could give me an idea about this that would
be great.  Or even just tell me if I'm going to have to wait for the
package maintainer to fix it.  Or if it's un-fixable.

Thanks,

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kernel compilation error

[Rodney D. Myers]

I'm attempting to compile a new kernel, using the HOWTO located here;

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/kernel-pkg.html

I can get everything compiled, and installed according to the docs, with
one exception.

I cannot get the initrd file built/made/etc. Without that file, my
computer refuses to boot using the new kernel

I used these examples to build the deb package;
sudo make-kpkg --append-to-version=.052004 kernel_image
sudo make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=.052004 kernel_image

Thanks for the help

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bookmarks.html

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

An open letter to Mozilla package maintainers (and a warning to those who
upgrade):

I have a very simple request...

Please, when versions of browsers are upgraded could you PLEASE save my
bookmarks.html file? I just lost ~6 weeks of bookmarks because when I
upgraded mozilla-firebird the packaging system decided to install
mozilla-firefox instead and in the process deleted my history files and
bookmark files.

And in regards to:
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250103
~/.mozilla-firebird is empty but cannot be removed for some unknown reason
when the upgrade is made to firefox. /var/lib/mozilla-firebird, however,
is not empty.

thanks,
emma

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Re: Oracle10g on debian/sid

[Nick Willson]

On 2004-05-24 23:22, Wasily wrote:
> Dear all:
> Did anyone successfully install Oracle10g and Oracle Developer Suit 10g 
> on debian/sid?

For the database, yes, there are good instructions here:
http://www.togaware.com/linux/survivor/Oracle_10g.shtml 

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Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.

[Marc Wilson]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:46:47AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status
> in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original
> author, who agreed ...)

The problem isn't that "desired states" are kept in the status file, the
problem is that aptitude ignores the status file.  The statuses are THERE,
saying that they shouldn't be doesn't make them go away.

Or are you saying that dpkg is what's broken?  Let's see... dpkg is
base/required, aptitude is admin/optional.  If aptitude's behavior were the
correct one, wouldn't those be reversed?  The package description for dpkg
says:

   Description: Package maintenance system for Debian
   This package contains the programs which handle the installation and
   removal of packages on your system.

That's not what aptitude's says.  Aptitude's says "apt frontend".  Sounds
even more like dpkg is the standard, and aptitude is just supposed to be a
front-end to that standard.

Aptitude's description also says, in part: "...dselect-like persistence of
user actions..." except it doesn't follow what dselect does.  Dselect, of
course, is also base/required.  Is there any other management tool in
base/required?  Synaptic isn't.  Gnome-apt isn't.  Are there others?  Those
are the ones that depend on libapt-pkg-libc6.

Aptitude's brokenness would *almost* be tolerable if it at least behaved
consistently betweeen the two interfaces it supports.  I'd love to hear an
explanation of why the same tool behaves differently on such a fundamental
point depending on whether you're using the command-line vs the menu-driven
interface.  It's certainly been the subject of several bug reports without
any concrete resolution other than "gee, it's too hard".

Finally... what aptitude does or doesn't do would be a non-issue if
everyone didn't try so hard to sell it as the replacement for every other
package management tool out there.  All of us Debianites love to tell
people that apt-get is just something that was coded as a demonstration
tool... but that's what everyone sees and that's what we're known for.  The
inconsistency between the tools is more than a little absurd.

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Re: OT: malicious scans

[ghcbc]

On Fri, May 14, 2004 at 05:59:37PM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi,
> 
>   Anybody know where I can get some detailed info on the
> characteristics of trojans/viruses that scan for vulnerabilities ? 
> Specifically, I'm trying to determine if a pattern of scanned ports I have
> noticed on my machine is characteristic of any particular
> trojan/virus/malicious programme that a user might not be aware of on their
> machine (ie, not something they are not consciously running, but which has
> been installed without their knowledge).  
> 

[snip]

Thanks all who had a crack at this.  My question was too obscure.  I figured
as much, but figured it was worth a try.  FTR, I'm not worried about my
system.  

Thanks again,

gerry



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Postfix question....

[Steven Sheeley]

I am running Debian 3.0 stable (woody) and have Postfix installed.

My Debain machine resides at 63.231.57.180

My personal machine resides at 63.231.57.177

I'm running a subnetted set of Static IP Addresses from my ISP on a DSL line.

Mail is flowing  to and from the Debian box and the internet just perfectly fine.

I can reach the debian box with Outlook from my personal machine and pick up my email 
just fine I can not, however, send it.
When I write an email and click on send, it times out.

Can anyone help me get Postfix configured right?  I've been over the FAQ's and HOWTO's 
but ain;t figuring it out.



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Re: e-mail from local host

[Juan Nin]

From: "Luis Finotti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

>   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT
> TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> host mailv.math.ucsb.edu [128.111.88.21]: 504
> :
> Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified
> hostname

you should have a FQDN hostname (fully-qualified domain name)
the remote SMTP server rejects you connection, because your machine
identifies itslef as "debian" which is not an existent hostname

change your hostname so as to have an FQDN hostname (host.domain.tld)

regards,

Juan


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fonts in unstable

[David Sanders]

I upgraded a stable box to unstable.  All the Truetype fonts that were 
previously visible with stable disappeared in unstable.  The 
XF86Config-4 and XftConfig have the correct font paths.  Any ideas on 
what could be wrong?
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Re: ALSA strangeness

[Steven Yap]

On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 13:26, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> 
> I had thought that all ALSA drivers had support for multiple audio
> streams. Is this not the case? 

Yes and no. On hardware with built-in multi-stream playback (like in 
your home PC), nothing special needs to be done.

For hardware without built-in multi-stream playback, ALSA provides a
software emulation (sort of), but it requires you to configure
/etc/asoundrc.

Here's what mine looks like (see below). The "pcm.!default" directive
should cause ALSA-aware applications to use the dmixer plugin that 
provides the software mixing.  Applications which supports only OSS
can participate also through the "aoss" application. "aoss " 
should redirect the OSS-output BUT only if the application uses the 
standard "open()" calls instead of "fopen()".  For example, bzflag
version 1.10.4 does not work with aoss.

Hope that helps.

-- my /etc/asoundrc --

pcm.!default {
type plug
slave.pcm "dmixer"
}
 
pcm.dsp {
type plug
slave.pcm "dmixer"
}

pcm.dsp0 {
type plug
slave.pcm "dmixer"
}
 
pcm.dmixer  {
type dmix
ipc_key 1024
slave {
pcm "hw:0,0"
period_time 0
period_size 1024
buffer_size 8192
#periods 128
#rate 44100
rate 48000
}
bindings {
0 0
1 1
}
}
 
ctl.mixer0 {
type hw
card 0
}


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Re: jython install

[Randall Smith]

Randall Smith wrote:
If you have installed Jython, maybe you can help.
I just installed Jython using apt-get install jython.  I'm not a Java 
programmer.  When I fire up the interpreter and type 'import java', I 
get an import error saying the module can't be found.  Any help?

Randall

This also fails.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ jython
Jython 2.1 on java3.3.3 (JIT: null)
>>> from com.ziclix.python.sql import zxJDBC
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "", line 1, in ?
ImportError: no module named com
>>>
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Re: jython install

[Randall Smith]

Derrick 'dman' Hudson wrote:
On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 02:28:58PM -0500, Randall Smith wrote:
| If you have installed Jython, maybe you can help.
| 
| I just installed Jython using apt-get install jython.  I'm not a Java 
| programmer.  When I fire up the interpreter and type 'import java', I 
| get an import error saying the module can't be found.  Any help?

$ jython
Jython 2.1 on java1.4.1 (JIT: null)
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
import java
print java


Can you be more specific with the error message?  I can't imagine how
jython could run if java can't be found.
-D
Here it is:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ jython
Jython 2.1 on java3.3.3 (JIT: null)
>>> import java
Traceback (innermost last):
  File "", line 1, in ?
ImportError: no module named java
>>>
Randall
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e-mail from local host

[Luis Finotti]

Dear all,

I have a single computer connected to the internet via
DSL (non-static IP).  I wanted to make a script to
send me the new IP address every time I connect to the
internet.

Just to try it I did:
-
% ifconfig | mail [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-

The message was not delivered and I got the message in
the end of this e-mail.

It seems that the message in sent but rejected by
Yahoo and other addresses I tried.  One of them said:

---
(...)
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP error from remote mailer after RCPT
TO:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
host mailv.math.ucsb.edu [128.111.88.21]: 504
:
Helo command rejected: need fully-qualified
hostname
(...)


Any ideas on how to fix it?

Thanks and my best to all,

Luis


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Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:23:08 -0700
From: Mail Delivery System <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Mail delivery failed: returning message to
sender

This message was created automatically by mail
delivery software (Exim).

A message that you sent could not be delivered to one
or more of its
recipients. This is a permanent error. The following
address(es) failed:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
SMTP error from remote mailer after MAIL
FROM:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> SIZE=2163:
host mx2.mail.yahoo.com [64.156.215.5]: 501 Syntax
error in parameters or
arguments

-- This is a copy of the message, including all
the headers. --

Return-path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Received: from finotti by debian with local (Exim 3.35
#1 (Debian))
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From: Luis Finotti <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 17:23:07 -0700


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Re: postgres ident error

[Tom Allison]

J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 14:46:34 -0400, Tom Allison wrote:
J.H.M. Dassen (Ray) wrote:
PostgreSQL doesn't care about /etc/passwd. The default client
authentication settings care about what user is connecting to the
database server through a UNIX socket.

Gee I must have missed something in the pg_hba configuration files.
IDENT is clearly the only authentication model used and sockets are not 
used at all.

In the default configuration Debian's PostgreSQL doesn't listen on TCP/IP
sockets at all; it is only accessible locally through a Unix socket. 

So the "tcpip_socket=yes" statement has nothing to do with TCP/IP 
connection?  While tcpip_sockets=no is the default from postgres, the 
configuration file in Debian shows otherwise.

However, it is not accessible from any other network address (sockets 
and localhost only).


And others have mentioned that the IDENT process usees the /etc/passwd
files for the authentication.

The "ident" authentication method does not imply the use of an ident server
process.
For local connections (the only connections available with the default
configuration), the "ident" authentication method uses getsockopt(...
SO_PEERCRED ...) and getpwuid(). Typically but not necessarily getpwuid()
consults /etc/passwd.
For TCP/IP connections (when enabled), the response given by the remote
ident server is used.
All of this that you say here regarding the access of IDENT servers 
versus ident-ish calls to /etc/passwd is probably true (I don't have 
enough information on the specifics to doubt you).  As it appears in the 
configuration files, both sockets and tcp/ip (localhost only) are 
enabled, so it could be either one or both.  All of which still denies 
network access.
	

However, from postgres' own documentation, they clearly warn against the 
use of IDENT servers as a means of authentication when accessing the 
database over anything other than sockets or possibly localhost.

This kind of falls under the category of Monty Pythons the Chocolate 
shop skit where you have the warning: "Danger: real live unboned crunchy 
dead frog"

I fully understand that postgresql as configured is pretty much secure, 
but the implication that this method of authentication can be applied to 
non-localhost network connections might do better to carry a warning in 
the configuration somewhere, even a README.Debian would be at least 
something.  It would be very easy for someone to just copy/paste/edit 
and end up with a problem.

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MY new Homepage??

[Rmlsdl]

Somehow you have found a way to INVADE my computer and Put YOURSELF as "My NEW Homepage!  I want this shit off my computer now.  
I NEVER requested a new homepage and would not from something I NEVER heard of.
 
I am asking nicely for you to get this off my computer! Once.  After that I will report your company for hacking as it was probably someone involved in your company that HACKED into my computer and stole money from my bank account!  
 
I have already contacted the proper authorties as well as the FTC.
Take my advice and get YOUR HOMEPAGE  OFF MY COMPUTER_ NOW 

Re: how to install wvware ?

[bing yu]

thank you for your information and thank  "s. keeling"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  giving me another option.(catdoc)

i have installed wvware.the doc attachment can properly displayed in
mutt. which is really ecouraging.

but here is another problem:  html attachment has a lot of character
that made the file hard to read, such as,

"



2004“质量&dquo;青年乒乓球团体赛
"


$ wvHtml --charset=gb2312 pingpang.doc pingpang.html
$ lynx file:///.../pingpang.html 

there are "." are displayed too.

but i open the pingpang.html file in mozilla, it can displayed well,
quite link the doc file.

what else can i do to let the html attachment more readable, ie, is
there a way get rid of the formate charater like
"...



On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 04:39:46PM +0100, Lee Braiden wrote:
> bing yu wrote:
> 
> >i am a debian newbie, all sofware i have installed is by apt-get install 
> >
> >i want to view MS doc file in mutt. here is my question, how to install
> >wvware 
> >
> >http://sourceforge.net/projects/wvware/
> >...
> > 
> >
> >which pakage i need downlaod and install?
> > 
> >
> I think wv is included in debian's contrib or non-free sections.  It's 
> available on my system, at least.
> 
>  apt-setup
> 
> , choosing to use contrib and non-free, followed by
> 
>  apt-get update
> 
> and
> 
>  apt-get install wv
> 
> might do it.
> 
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Re: kernel panic

[developer]

>>>I am dual booting xp and linux on a single harddrive.  I got both booting
>>>with xp controlling the mbr and I added my linux grub bootsector to the
>>>xp
>>>boot.ini in order to get linux to boot.  I installed debian off the sarge
>>>net install cd using the 2.6 kernel.  The kernel that came with it runs
>>>fine, but I compiled and installed a new kernel and it will not run. 
>>>When
>>>I boot to it, it complains :
>>>VFS: Cannot open root device "hda3" or unknown-block(0,0)
>>>Please append a correct "root=" boot option
>>>Kernel panic: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)
>>>
>>>By the way:
>>>/dev/hda3 is /
>>>/dev/hda6 is boot
>>>
>>>The auto generated boot options in grub are as follows(the top two work,
>>>the bootom don't):

>>>title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.5-1-386
>>>root(hd0,5)
>>>kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.5-1-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro
>>>initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.5-1-386
>>>savedefault
>>>boot

>>>title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.5-1-386 (recovery mode)
>>>root(hd0,5)
>>>kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.5-1-386 root=/dev/hda3 ro single
>>>initrd  /initrd.img-2.6.5-1-386
>>>savedefault
>>>boot
>>>
>>>title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.5
>>>root(hd0,5)
>>>kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.5 root=/dev/hda3 ro
>>>savedefault
>>>boot
>>>
>>>title   Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.6.5 (recovery mode)
>>>root(hd0,5)
>>>kernel  /vmlinuz-2.6.5 root=/dev/hda3 ro single
>>>savedefault
>>>boot


>>>Might this have something to do with the no initrd option?
>>>I thought debian boot loaders used the whole vmlinuz vmlinuz.old
>>>scenario,
>>>is there a way to make this work?
> On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:59:21AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> >
>> You are correct, the 2.6.5 is the new one.
>> I did not use any flags I just did a make-kpkg kernel_image and a dpkg
>> -i
>> I noticed that the new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd
>> lines, is that required.  I didn't think you really needed to use
>> initrd?
>>
>
>
>   In general, depending on the kernel configuration, you can do without
> an initrd. However since the configuration of the new kernel doesn't
> differ much from the old one, it could be that you must have an initrd
> because essential components are compiled as modules. Another option is
> that for your hardware the difference in the configuration of the old
> and new kernels is important.
>   The new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd lines because it
> identified the new kernel as not requiring an initrd. Which is correct
> since you didn't make-kpkg --initrd.
>
> --
> "If you have an apple and I have  an apple and we  exchange apples then
> you and I will still each have  one apple. But  if you have an idea and I
> have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two
> ideas." -- George Bernard Shaw (sent by  shaulk @ actcom . net . il)
>

So what you are saying is that what I did is fine?  So why do I get this
kernel panic error???


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Re: kernel update

[Luis Finotti]

Thanks Juan, Clive and Alistair!

I successfully updated my kernel.  I took the most
immediate way (with just apt-get and updating
lilo: "apt-get install kernel-image-2.4.18-386") and
everything seems to working.

(Now the Alsa drivers are another story...) :-)

I noticed that I do not have a source directory
"/usr/src/linux4.18-386" -- I do have the previous
"/usr/src/linux4.3".  I could not find
anything similar anywhere.  Was it erased?  Do I need
it?


Thanks again!

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transcode package

[Emanuele]

Dear Debian user's.
My names is Emanuele, from Italy.
My system is:
AmigaONE G4 800 Mhz + 512 Mb Kingston memory + Ati Radeon 9100 128 MB 
DDR with DebianPPC Unstable ( great system )

Today I hane tried to install with synaptic, transcode package, required 
for DVD-Rip software.

But there is an error in the install process.
Transcode required libmagik5.5.5 and witout it don't want install.
I have found libmagik with synaptic, but it is the 6.x version, and not 
5.5.5.

Transcode package isn't compatible with 6.x library version and 5.5.5 
don't exist any more.

I have contacted the author of libmagik / transcode packages without 
reply for weeks.

Please help me.
I need to use transcode package on my system.
By.
Emanuele.
P.S.: I don't make it from me becouse I'n not a programmer.
P.P.S.: Excuse me for my bad english.
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Re: Sound problem (mplayer/sid)

[Victor Munoz]

> 
> Do you use esd for your sound?  Sometimes esd just disappears on my
> system, and I need to restart it to get sound again.
> 

Not that I'm aware of. libesd0, esound, esound-clients, are installed, but I
don't think I'm using them. I don't use sounds in Gnome, and I don't see
anything related to esd with 'ps aux'. xmms is configured to use the OSS
driver as output plugin. 

   Victor
   


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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[Katipo]

David P James wrote:
On Mon 24 May 2004 08:50, Katipo wrote:
 

David P James wrote:
   

On Sun 23 May 2004 18:56, Katipo wrote:
 

David P James wrote:
   

No system is ever going to be completely accessible to the
destitute,
 

So let's make sure they stay where they belong?
   

Take that back - right now. Take it back. I neither said nor implied
any such thing.
 

No, in the terminologies you employ, you accept the situation and
thereby condone it.
   

You're insane. You're being rude and insulting. I accept that the 
situation exists but that's a long from condoning it.
 

Attack the message, not the messenger. Anything else is an admission of 
a failed line of argument.
Re read what you said,

"No system is ever going to be completely accessible to the
destitute,"
This is a statement of blas'e acceptance.
 

What I wrote was a statement of what I believe to be a
fact, not a desireable outcome.
 

It is a fact.
Something can be done about it.
All it takes is a change in mental attitude.
These people are not merely to be written off as 'Collateral Damage.'
They are one of the many costs not incorporated into economic theory.
   

And again you do it. You prove you understand nothing at all and can't 
read what is written. To set things straight, they are not written off 
and in fact those costs are incorporated into theory (believe it or not 
- probably not in your case).

So what you are saying is that their situation is actually planned?
It's funny how people who have clearly 
never taken any economics (or at least didn't pay attention) claim to 
know what is contained in economic theory.
 

The way in which we think is reflected in the environment.
Take a look around.
Our entire spectrum of sociological values would appear to be somewhat 
askew.
Please tell me which particular branch of our sciences, closely advising 
our political decision makers, would be responsible for that?


Very well, but would you care to enlighten us how providing free email 
is going to help feed starving people in war torn countries in Africa, 
like Somalia? That's what you've been arguing all along, so I'd love to 
hear some details about it.
 

Please see other posts.

All of it was *supposed* to be a commons. And at at least one stage,
it was. Dominant interests displaced the mechanism of the commons so
that the vast majority of the common administrators had no vote in
proceedings. Corporate greed, ably assisted by misinformed and
corrupt political entities, misappropriated the commons from the
majority of its rightful community owners, allowing only one factor
of the community to usurp the common ground. This is not a failure of
the commons, how can it be? The environment of the commons was not
permitted to operate, it answers more to the definition of  grand
larceny on a national and international scale. All rationalised at
the time, by economics.
   

I should save this bit for posterity as an example of completely 
blinkered thinking. This problem goes way back in time. The Mammoths 
were driven to extinction this way, as were North American prairie 
horses (until re-introduced by the Spanish) and no doubt other species 
all over the globe. But hey, I guess it was corporate greed and 
dominant interests that did them all in.
 

Corporate greed or dominant interests.
The concept of the fiscally based corporate entity didn't exist in the 
time of the mammoth.
Horses didn't exist in North America before the European arrived either:-

http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/naind/html/na_015700_horsesandind.htm
What would you suggest?
Magic?
Aliens?
Regards,
David.


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See the difference

[Dana]

Feel better about yourself

Make the intercourse better 

Natural effective formula

Yeap it's worth it:
http://www.terra.es/personal4/vickez/

Nomoremail:
http://www.terra.es/personal4/vickez/leave.html

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Re: backport site

[Mark Ferlatte]

Hector Scaramelli said on Mon, May 24, 2004 at 07:02:42PM -0300:
> Hi,
> 
> Can anybody recommend an updated backport site to add to the
> sources.list file so as to be able to upgrade the kernel and some
> packages.
> I am using 2.4.18-bf24.

I like backports.org quite a bit.

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Re: kernel panic

[Shaul Karl]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 08:59:21AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >
> You are correct, the 2.6.5 is the new one.
> I did not use any flags I just did a make-kpkg kernel_image and a dpkg -i
> I noticed that the new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd
> lines, is that required.  I didn't think you really needed to use initrd?
> 


  In general, depending on the kernel configuration, you can do without
an initrd. However since the configuration of the new kernel doesn't 
differ much from the old one, it could be that you must have an initrd
because essential components are compiled as modules. Another option is
that for your hardware the difference in the configuration of the old 
and new kernels is important.
  The new boot loader menu items didn't have the initrd lines because it
identified the new kernel as not requiring an initrd. Which is correct
since you didn't make-kpkg --initrd.

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Re: Samba 3.0.4-3 Problem

[Keith Nasman]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:48:56PM +0200, Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl wrote:
> Nobody any idea why Samba broke with the latest upgrade?
> 
> Pim

To quote Steve Langasek:

"As some of you appear to have already correctly deduced, there is a
compatibility problem with the version of the CUPS libs currently in
unstable.  The libcupsys library is linked against an old version of
libgnutls, which causes two incompatible versions of this library to be
pulled in, leading to these crashes.

There were already bug reports about this problem with Samba 3.0.2a, but
it has become much more severe of an issue with 3.0.4.  It is actually a
CUPS/libgcrypt bug, not a Samba bug, but I plan to keep these bugs open
and assigned to the samba package for the time being until those
problems can be sorted out.  Fortunately, that should happen soon, as
the GNOME 2.6 packages include a libcupsys that's linked against the new
version of gnutls, and it's expected that the GNOME 2.6 packages will
begin moving into unstable (along with an updated samba package) any day
now.

In the meantime, one workaround may be to disable the use of cups for
printing.  The other would be to downgrade to 3.0.2a until this can be
resolved."

I commented out the [printers] section because I'm not using it and
that worked as a temporary fix.

See http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=250418

Keith


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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[Katipo]

Shri Shrikumar wrote:
On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 14:34, David P James wrote:
 

The reasons for that is a whole other
issue, but it's safe to conclude that free email access isn't going
to solve their destitution (because if it would, it would already
have happened or at least be underway).
   

Communication is the beginning of every solution.
It *is* under way, e.g:-
http://www.globalcn.org/es/article.ntd?id=178&sort=1.11
http://europa.eu.int/comm/regional_policy/innovation/pdf/award/extrem
adura.pdf
The implementation of open source software, along with internet
access and associated email, is creating the basis for an economic
(in the comprehensively true sense of the word) revolution in
Extremadura.
 

Very well, but would you care to enlighten us how providing free email 
is going to help feed starving people in war torn countries in Africa, 
like Somalia? That's what you've been arguing all along, so I'd love to 
hear some details about it.
   

It might not solve starvation but it will give them the same access to
information and knowledge that people is countries that are better off
take for granted.
 

Exactly.
Give a man fish, but only until, by way of efficient communication, he 
has learnt how to fish for himself, otherwise you rob him of self 
achievement and enforce dependence.
Human beings require spiritual and mental food also. Other factors not 
accounted for in modern economic theory.
Regards,

David.
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backport site

[Hector Scaramelli]

Hi,

Can anybody recommend an updated backport site to add to the
sources.list file so as to be able to upgrade the kernel and some
packages.
I am using 2.4.18-bf24.

Thanks In Advance
Hector




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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[Katipo]

Kirk Strauser wrote:
At 2004-05-24T12:50:01Z, Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 

I have a number of personal acquaintances from Somalia.  One is the eldest
son of the ex-prime minister.
   

Would you tell him to quit sending me email?  I am *not* going to give him
my bank account information, regardless of how much money he wants to
launder.
My inbox thanks you.
 

He's just trying to get ahead in the current economic circumstances..
Regards,
David.
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Re: kernel update

[Clive Menzies]

On (24/05/04 16:41), Juan Nin wrote:
> 
> Luis Finotti wrote:
> 
> >I thought "apt-get update/upgrade" would upgrade the
> >kernel, but it seems that that's not the case.  (I
> >don't have any updates there.)
> 
> nope...
> 
> the kernel is the "heart" of Linux, so you have to explicitly update it 
> since it's the most sensible part of the system
> 
> >So, how does one update the kernel.  Although my
> >computer is running fine, I wanted to install the alsa
> >drivers, and I think I'd need something like
> >"alsa-modules-2.4.16-386" or "kernel-headers-2.4.16". 
> >(I can't find "kernel-headers-2.4.3".)
> 
> you can install an already compiled kernel with "apt-get install 
> kernel-image"
> 
> there you'll see a list of the available images, and then you do 
> "apt-get install kernel-image-"
> 
> but it's likely that this image does not have all the options you 
> like/need compiled ni by default
> 
> so it's better to download the kernel-source, and compile it yourself 
> with the options you like/need/want
> 
> you can compile the kernel in the traditional way or in the "debian way"
> 
> search for "debian kernel compile" in google and you''' find lots of 
> links on how to compile your kernel
> 
> >Are there any risks in updating the kernel?
> 
> not if you know what you're doing  :)
A good source that I used to me through compiling my first kernel is:

http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/tutorials/kernel-pkg/index-kernel-pkg.html.en

Regards

Clive


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Re: Is there a list of recommended DVD RW Drives for Linux?

[Greg Madden]

On Monday 24 May 2004 10:25 am, Jake Johnson wrote:
> I am looking for a dvd burner and was looking for some
> recommendations. --
> Thanks,
> Jake Johnson
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Browsing these archives has some good info on what works, some comments 
on media as well. I have a couple of Pioneers that work well with 
dvdrecord. 

http://lists.debian.org/cdwrite/ 

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hp printer

[Dora Parks]

Dear sirs; Please I need help. All of a sudden  my printer  Deskjet 880C
serial number
MY93f110ZM will print only in red ink. Ran out of black so have replaced
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Re: modprobe nvidia gives "no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted"

[Niels L. Ellegaard]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Niels L. Ellegaard) writes:

> nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
> nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
> 0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-5336
> Wed Jan 14 18:29:26 PST 2004 

Oops. The bug has been reported. Sorry for the noise on the list
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=248451


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Re: kernel update

[S.D.A.]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 11:54:34AM -0700 or thereabouts, Luis Finotti wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> It seems that my kernel is a rather old version:
> -
> % uname -a
> Linux debian 2.4.3 #2 Sat Mar 31 11:29:19 CST 2001
> i686 unknown
> -
> 
> It seems that the newer versions are 2.4.16 or later. 
> I thought "apt-get update/upgrade" would upgrade the
> kernel, but it seems that that's not the case.  (I
> don't have any updates there.)
> 
> So, how does one update the kernel.  Although my
> computer is running fine, I wanted to install the alsa
> drivers, and I think I'd need something like
> "alsa-modules-2.4.16-386" or "kernel-headers-2.4.16". 
> (I can't find "kernel-headers-2.4.3".)

You may wish to view the following thread from yesterday. I upgraded from the
2.2.x kernel to 2.4.25-1-386. S.Keeling helped out immensely. Just follow the
instructions in that thread;



HTH
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+
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+
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serve us right.
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Re: Samba problem resolved: roaming profiles wouldn't

[Randy Orrison]

Karsten M. Self wrote:
on Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:09:13AM +0100, Randy Orrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
Roberto Sanchez wrote:
Karsten M. Self wrote:
  [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System] 
"LocalProfile"=dword:0001

My only question is this:  is this key documented somewhere, and how
would one ordinarially go about getting documentation on a registry key?
Probably not documented.  I doubt MS would want people to know too much
about the registry.
[...]
That is one of the reasons I laugh at people who complain about the lack
of documentation for free software.
As with most documentation, free and proprietary, it's easy to find if 
you know in advance what you're looking for.  Going to www.microsoft.com 
and entering "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE Policies LocalProfile" into the search 
box on the front page returns two hits, different pages with the same 
content.
[snip]
In the Free Software world, the answer would be a manpage that documents
either the entire file structure, or the relevant subtree of a shared
structure.  Of course, with GNOME rushing madly into fatal embrace of
the Registry, *and* abhorring manpages, all bets are off.  But we'll
file our bugreports here in Debian land.
[1]
But, say, for an application or suite which owned a particular subkey,
I'd expect to see:
[2]
  - A full listing of keys.
  - Values.
  - Behaviors.
Anything less would be a documentation bug.
But you still need to know what you're looking for.  In this case, using 
the Microsoft reg key as an example, and assuming wonderful Free 
Software documentation as you describe, you'd still need to know that 
the relevant subkey is owned by "policies" rather than "login" or 
"profile" or "active directory" or whatever, and that the setting you're 
looking for is a local profile setting, even though the problem 
manifests itself as a failure in roaming profiles.

Hmmm... Not sure where I'm going with this.  I guess I'm just trying to 
defend Microsoft from Roberto's implications that they would 
intentionally leave things undocumented[3], and that free software 
documentation is better than Microsoft's.  As an often frustrated user 
of both Microsoft and open software, I feel qualified to say that all 
documentation sucks, and Microsoft in this particular instance doesn't 
suck any worse than any other.

Randy
[1] This is why I'm moving as much as possible and practical from 
Windows to OSS, because OSS is so much more ... open!

[2] I'm not so confident that I'd say I expected to see it, but I'd 
certainly _like_ to see it.  What I'd expect would be to be able to file 
a bug report, and be able to dig through the source to figure it out, 
and submit a contribution that would likely be accepted with thanks. 
(See [1])

[3] Yes, I know -- they have and they do.  But not in this case, and not 
about in the registry in general.  I've found that most every registry 
key I've been curious about I've been able to find either from google 
(there are many third-party registry documentation sites) or 
microsoft.com.  Of course, you need to know what the key is first, to 
find it.

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Re: HD Regrets

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

Hi Bob

I recently did a similar thing and it worked.

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 03:05:17PM -0400, Bob Tilley (AT&T) wrote:
> I spent all of Sunday engaged in the venture of cleaning 
> my /etc/fstab file.
> 
> I have two hard drives in my Linux box, /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb2.
> When I installed Knoppix, I learned that the installer will only 
> copy files to one disk.  Modification of the .kconfig file is 
> possible to enable installation to two drives but ... 
> "a dollar short, a day late".
> 
> The operation consisted of changing /etc/fstab and my 
> disk structure so that the /home/$USER directories were located 
> on /dev/hdb1, not /dev/hda1.  

Good idea.

> I created mkdir'ed the directories
> /home-copy/$USER on hdb1 

What exactly did you do? Should be
mkdir /home-copy
mount /dev/hdb1 /home-copy
etc.

> and cp'ed all dirs/files to 
> /home-copy/*.  Then the original /home dir was rm -rf'ed, 
> "/home-copy" was mv'ed into "/home", 

Again: What exactly? I think you should not have mv'ed but
mkdir /home
umount /home-copy
mount /dev/hdb1 /home

> /etc/fstab was edited 

What is it now??

> to reflect the new directory structure.  I thought everything was OK.
> 
> I rebooted the box and when I logged in, /hdb1 did not exist.
> To summarize, F'ing with the box for an inordinate amount of time
> revealed that /dev/hdb1 was not being auto-mounted on bootup, only
> /dev/hda1.  I must manually "mount /dev/hdb1" to access the /home 
> directory.
> 
> My question is two-fold:  1)  How do I cause /dev/hdb1 to automount 
>   on bootup?
>   2)  Is there a shorter solution to copying
>   /home/* from /hda1 to /hdb1?  If so,
>   what is it?
> 
> Any comments are welcome at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Bob
> 
> --
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> Tybrin.
> 
> Robert Tilley
> 321-785-2010
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> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.

[Kevin Mark]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:46:47AM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:48:39PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:03:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > There are apparently three package selection databases.  These should be
> > > either unified or cross-validated:
> > > 
> > >   - dpkg
> > >   - apt
> > >   - aptitude
> > > 
> > > Anyone else running into this?
> > 
> > Karsten, don't bother.  Every time someone brings up the fact that
> > aptitude, everyone's darling perfect child, does its own damn thing and
> > re-implements the status file... they get told to go away.
> > 
> > What's even *better* is that command-line aptitude (insert random quote
> > about how aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, which it isn't)
> > and ncurses aptitude, *don't have the same behavior!*  Ncurses aptitude
> > *does* honor the status file.
> > 
> > Sometimes.
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but dpkg is the *fundamental* tool.  If you don't honor its
> > interfaces, you are *broken*.  'Nuff said.
> 
> Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status
> in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original
> author, who agreed ...)
> 
> -- 
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Hi,
shouln't aptitutde, synaptic, apt-get,dpkg somehow unifiy how things are
done and what files they affect?
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Re: jython install

[Derrick 'dman' Hudson]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 02:28:58PM -0500, Randall Smith wrote:
| If you have installed Jython, maybe you can help.
| 
| I just installed Jython using apt-get install jython.  I'm not a Java 
| programmer.  When I fire up the interpreter and type 'import java', I 
| get an import error saying the module can't be found.  Any help?

$ jython
Jython 2.1 on java1.4.1 (JIT: null)
Type "copyright", "credits" or "license" for more information.
>>> import java
>>> print java

>>> 


Can you be more specific with the error message?  I can't imagine how
jython could run if java can't be found.

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Re: HD Regrets

[Kent West]

Bob Tilley (AT&T) wrote:
[moved files from /dev/hda1 to /dev/hdb1]
 

I rebooted the box and when I logged in, /hdb1 did not exist.
To summarize, F'ing with the box for an inordinate amount of time
revealed that /dev/hdb1 was not being auto-mounted on bootup, only
/dev/hda1.  I must manually "mount /dev/hdb1" to access the /home 
directory.

My question is two-fold:  1)  How do I cause /dev/hdb1 to automount 
 on bootup?
 

I suggest you post your /etc/fstab file.
 2)  Is there a shorter solution to copying
 /home/* from /hda1 to /hdb1?  If so,
 what is it?
 

mount /dev/hdb1 /tempmnt
mkdir /tempmnt/home
cp -a /home/* /tempmnt/home
umount /tempmnt
rm -rf /home/*
mount /dev/hdb1 /home (fix /etc/fstab to do this automatically)
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ALSA strangeness

[Alex Malinovich]

I'm getting some strange results with ALSA on my work machine. Running
kernel 2.6.6, (snd_intel8x0 module) ALSA works just fine. Unfortunately,
the ALSA device seems to have decided to become a FIFO. I can send 10
audio clips to it simultaneously, but they get played back in the order
they were received. This has the unfortunate side effect that if I'm
listening to a song on XMMS, I won't hear any sounds until after the
current song ends.

I had thought that all ALSA drivers had support for multiple audio
streams. Is this not the case? On my home PC, using kernel 2.6.4 and
ALSA (emu10k1 module) I can play multiple streams at once with no
problems. Any ideas? TIA.

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Re: Display Catch-22

[Thomas H. George]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:57:52AM -0600, Bob Proulx wrote:
> Thomas H. George wrote:
> > My Belkin UPS probably saved my computer from the power surge but its 
> > internal programming is probably fried.  I reinstalled the software from 
> > the Linux tarball changing all the ownerships to root:tom and all the 
> > permissions to 770.
> 
> Please be specific.  What software did you reinstall?  Did you
> reinstall Debian?

Sorry, I took it for granted that I was reinstalling the Belkin Bulldog
software for linux which came with the UPS.  It is the internal
programming in the Belkin UPS that is probably fried.  The computer and
the Debian kernel and software were unscathed.
> 
> > This allows me to display the monitor but I cannot 
> > change the setup.  When I originally installed the UPS I did all this as 
> > root and was able to change the setup.  This is no longer possible as 
> > security changes do not allow me to open a display as root.
> 
> What software are you talking about here?  Belkin UPS monitoring
> software?  From Debian or from elsewhere?

The Belkin Bulldog software.  Is there a good Debian alternative?
> 
> > The only thing to change is the com port which I was certain I had right 
> > in the first place.  To be sure I uninstalled the programs and 
> > reinstalled them changing from /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/ttyS1.  Neither works 
> > though /dev/ttyS0 retrieved some information but in either case the 
> > installed software generates periodic messages that the UPS device is 
> > unreachable.  This is what makes me believe the UPS internal software is 
> > fried.
> > 
> > Before replacing it I would like to be sure that the display problem is 
> > resolved. I have searched the X11, xdm and icewm setup files trying to 
> > remove the restriction preventing opening a display as root.  My plan 
> > would be to take the computer offline (The connection is wireless so 
> > ifdown wlan0 does this) during the time the root prohibition is overwridden.
> 
> I usually use 'ssh -l root -X localhost' to log into the machine as
> root and tunnel the display back.  But other suggest other options.
> 
I haven't studied ssh and will do so.  I did try entering the command
exactly as given above and got "connection refused".  I'll work on this.

> > Any suggestions?
> 
> Please spend some time reading the following:
> 
>   http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
> 
> Bob

Thanks for you assistance.

Tom


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Re: XMMS Plays Really Slow

[Jacob S.]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 11:03:13 -0700
Jake Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:17:31AM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> > I've got a computer running a mix of testing/unstable with the
> > latest updates with a weird problem.
> > 
> > I upgraded to kernel-image-2.4.25 so I could take advantage of the
> > pre-compiled alsa modules available in alsa-modules-2.4.25. aRts
> > seems to recognize the sound card fine after the modules are loaded
> > - kscd plays an audio cd without any problems. However, when I load
> > xmms and try to play a song, it takes about 10 - 15 seconds for each
> > second of audio that it plays. I switched back to the OSS modules
> > and have the same problem. I then tried upgrading to 2.4.26, but it
> > still does the same thing. 
> > 
> > I have checked and it's not loading up the memory or cpu, so I can't
> > see what would be causing this. The computer is an AMD 2600 with
> > 512MB of ram. The sound card is built into a Gigabyte motherboard
> > using the Nvidia nforce2 chipset. I am trying both the i810_audio
> > and snd-intel8x0 modules. Occasionally I get this error from the
> > i810_audio module: kernel: i810_audio: drain_dac, dma timeout?
> > 
> > Under kernel 2.4.20, before I did the recent updates, this sound
> > card and the i810_audio module worked great together.
> > 
> > Has anyone else seen this problem before?

> Did XMMS play correctly before you upgraded the Kernel?

Hello Jake,

I had not specifically checked the old kernel with the apt-get upgrade
updates, so I just rebooted and did some more playing.

Sound does still work great, using the 2.4.20 kernel, i810_audio module,
esd & xmms. (Though using esd through artsdsp makes it very choppy.)

In the process I found 2.4.23 seems to give me the same problem as
2.4.25 and 2.4.26; xmms plays, but does it very, very slow. Something
must have been changed with the audio system in the kernel between
2.4.20 and 2.4.23. (Maybe the soundcore module, since both the oss
drivers and the alsa drivers do it.)

Thanks,
Jacob

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jython install

[Randall Smith]

If you have installed Jython, maybe you can help.
I just installed Jython using apt-get install jython.  I'm not a Java 
programmer.  When I fire up the interpreter and type 'import java', I 
get an import error saying the module can't be found.  Any help?

Randall
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Re: Which disk device driver

[John Smith]

Sorry, must have been asleep, was indeed initr=/initrd.img in 
/etc/lilo.conf. 

Thanks.

Sincerely,

Jan.

On Sun, 2004-05-23 at 16:56, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> * John Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040523 13:14]:
> 
> > My conclusion is that the disk device driver is not compiled
> > or loaded in at the 2.4.26, so I probably need to build a new
> > kernel. My questions are wether my logic is right and how I can 
> > find out which device driver is being used in the 2.4.18 kernel 
> > for the disk.
> 
> 
> Did you add the "initrd=..." line as told when installing the kernel?
> 
> 
> Yours sincerely,
>   Alexander


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Re: Samba 3.0.4-3 Problem

[Pim Bliek | PingWings.nl]

Nobody any idea why Samba broke with the latest upgrade?

Pim


>
> I'm having the same issue here on Sid. I get the following email from my
> system:
>
> The Samba 'panic action' script, /usr/share/samba/panic-action,
> was called for pid 2618 (/usr/sbin/smbd).
>
> Below is a backtrace for this process generated with gdb, which shows
> the state of the program at the time the error occured.  You are
> encouraged to submit this information as a bug report to Debian.  For
> information about the procedure for submitting bug reports , please see
> http://www.debian.org/Bugs/Reporting or the reportbug(1) manpage.
>
> (no debugging symbols found)...Using host libthread_db library
> "/lib/libthread_db.so.1".
> (no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no
> debugging symbols
> found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no
> debugging
> symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols
> found)...(no
> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging
> symbols
> found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no
> debugging
> symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols
> found)...(no
> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging
> symbols
> found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no
> debugging
> symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols
> found)...(no
> debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging
> symbols
> found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no debugging symbols found)...(no
> debugging
> symbols found)...0x402376f8 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
> #0  0x402376f8 in waitpid () from /lib/libc.so.6
> #1  0x402bf510 in ?? () from /lib/libc.so.6
> #2  0x401d0422 in strtold_l () from /lib/libc.so.6
> #3  0x081cd031 in smb_panic2 ()
> #4  0x081ccfba in smb_panic ()
> #5  0x0001 in ?? ()
> #6  0xbfffeae4 in ?? ()
> #7  0x081babe8 in dbgtext ()
>
>
>
> I am lost
> Anyone?
>
>> hi, guys...
>>
>> after apt-get upgrading my debian box, it seems that
>> my samba which been upgraded into 3.0.4-3 goes
>> nowhere.
>> The smbd process won't start at all but the nmbd's
>> still running well.
>> i'm using sid with kernel 2.6.5.
>> Is there any configuration I should modify ?
>> If there's any, why there's no such options or
>> questions during the upgrade ?
>>
>>
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Re: Mose Wheel Scroll and less.

[Pigeon]

On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 09:01:08PM +0300, Egor Tur wrote:
> Hi folk.
> How can I use wheel scrolling for man (less)?
> Thanx.

In X? imwheel.

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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[William Ballard]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 02:30:22PM -0400, Daniel Barclay wrote:
> In "123" there is no "one" or "twenty three" written there, but
> that doesn't mean those words aren't used in pronouncing the number
> written as "123."

What digit corresponds to "and"?


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Re: kernel update

[Juan Nin]

Luis Finotti wrote:
I thought "apt-get update/upgrade" would upgrade the
kernel, but it seems that that's not the case.  (I
don't have any updates there.)
nope...
the kernel is the "heart" of Linux, so you have to explicitly update it 
since it's the most sensible part of the system

So, how does one update the kernel.  Although my
computer is running fine, I wanted to install the alsa
drivers, and I think I'd need something like
"alsa-modules-2.4.16-386" or "kernel-headers-2.4.16". 
(I can't find "kernel-headers-2.4.3".)
you can install an already compiled kernel with "apt-get install 
kernel-image"

there you'll see a list of the available images, and then you do 
"apt-get install kernel-image-"

but it's likely that this image does not have all the options you 
like/need compiled ni by default

so it's better to download the kernel-source, and compile it yourself 
with the options you like/need/want

you can compile the kernel in the traditional way or in the "debian way"
search for "debian kernel compile" in google and you''' find lots of 
links on how to compile your kernel

Are there any risks in updating the kernel?
not if you know what you're doing  :)
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modprobe nvidia gives "no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted"

[Niels L. Ellegaard]

I have some problems installing nvidia. i woudl be grateful for any help

I am using the vanilla kernel 2.6.5-1-386 Sarge. I installed nvidia
following the very nice instructions in
/usr/share/doc/nvidia-kernel-source/README.Debian

However when I try to modprobe nvidia I get the following error
message:

nissefisken# modprobe struct_module
FATAL: Module struct_module not found.

nissefisken# modprobe struct-module
FATAL: Module struct_module not foun

nissefisken# lsmod | grep nvidia
nvidia   2068648  0 

nissefisken# dmesg 
[snip]
nvidia: no version for "struct_module" found: kernel tainted.
nvidia: module license 'NVIDIA' taints kernel.
0: nvidia: loading NVIDIA Linux x86 NVIDIA Kernel Module  1.0-5336
Wed Jan 14 18:29:26 PST 2004 

If I try to start X with the nvidia module my GLX is not initialized:

 (II) Loading sub module "ISO8859_1"
 (II) LoadModule: "ISO8859_1"
 (II) Loading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/codeconv/libISO8859_1.a
 (II) Module ISO8859_1: vendor="X-TrueType Server Project"
 compiled for 4.1.0.1, module version = 1.3.0
 Module class: XFree86 Font Renderer
 ABI class: XFree86 Font Renderer, version 0.2
 (II) UnloadSubModule: "ISO8859_1"
 (II) Unloading /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/codeconv/libISO8859_1.a
 (WW) Cannot open APM
 (II) NV(0): WC region has to be split (0xc000,0x3e8)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc000,0x200)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc200,0x100)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc300,0x80)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc380,0x40)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc3c0,0x20)
 (==) NV(0): Write-combining range (0xc3e0,0x8)
 (**) NV(0): DPMS enabled
 (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (NVIDIA XFree86 driver not
found)

nissefisken# dpkg -l  initscripts udev xserver-xfree86
+++-=-=
ii  initscripts   2.85-15  
ii  udev  0.024-7  
ii  xserver-xfree86   4.1.0-16woody3   


I would be most graful for any hints. Thanks in advance

  Niels



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HD Regrets

I spent all of Sunday engaged in the venture of cleaning 
my /etc/fstab file.

I have two hard drives in my Linux box, /dev/hda1 and /dev/hdb2.
When I installed Knoppix, I learned that the installer will only 
copy files to one disk.  Modification of the .kconfig file is 
possible to enable installation to two drives but ... 
"a dollar short, a day late".

The operation consisted of changing /etc/fstab and my 
disk structure so that the /home/$USER directories were located 
on /dev/hdb1, not /dev/hda1.  I created mkdir'ed the directories
/home-copy/$USER on hdb1 and cp'ed all dirs/files to 
/home-copy/*.  Then the original /home dir was rm -rf'ed, 
"/home-copy" was mv'ed into "/home", /etc/fstab was edited 
to reflect the new directory structure.  I thought everything was OK.

I rebooted the box and when I logged in, /hdb1 did not exist.
To summarize, F'ing with the box for an inordinate amount of time
revealed that /dev/hdb1 was not being auto-mounted on bootup, only
/dev/hda1.  I must manually "mount /dev/hdb1" to access the /home 
directory.

My question is two-fold:  1)  How do I cause /dev/hdb1 to automount 
  on bootup?
  2)  Is there a shorter solution to copying
  /home/* from /hda1 to /hdb1?  If so,
  what is it?

Any comments are welcome at [EMAIL PROTECTED]

Thank you,

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Re: webmin-exim configuration problems.

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Wed, 19 May 2004, Ralph Crongeyer wrote:

> I see. I wonder if it's too much to ask, if you would post a message
> here when it's finished?
>

Finally got some time to do it.  But I think I missed todays deadline for
getting into the archive.  If so, it will be in unstable tomorrow.

I've tried a new (to me) technique for detecting which configuration to
use.  I've tested it and I'm pretty sure it works but if you notice
anything, please file a report via the bug tracking system
(http://bugs.debian.org/)

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libhtml-mason-perl + perl 5.8.4 : Missing File::Glob.pm?

[James Keasley]

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Hi,
I'm playing with Perl's HTML-Mason module at the moment on my unstable box.

Right now, however, the config appears to be failing to work for some 
reason. I have checked the bug reports, and there doesn't seem to be 
anything related there at present.

In my apache/error.log it is complaining about being unable to access
the File::Glob.pm module. This is installed in /usr/lib/perl/5.8.4/File/
Glob.pm, so I am unsure why it is complaining. making a symlink in the
relevant /usr/share/perl directory has no effect either.

Can anyone help me solve this problem, or at least point me in the right
direction? Could it be a problem with Perl's @INC paths?

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kernel update

[Luis Finotti]

Dear all,

It seems that my kernel is a rather old version:
-
% uname -a
Linux debian 2.4.3 #2 Sat Mar 31 11:29:19 CST 2001
i686 unknown
-

It seems that the newer versions are 2.4.16 or later. 
I thought "apt-get update/upgrade" would upgrade the
kernel, but it seems that that's not the case.  (I
don't have any updates there.)

So, how does one update the kernel.  Although my
computer is running fine, I wanted to install the alsa
drivers, and I think I'd need something like
"alsa-modules-2.4.16-386" or "kernel-headers-2.4.16". 
(I can't find "kernel-headers-2.4.3".)

Are there any risks in updating the kernel?

Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Best to all,

Luis




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perl + apache2 howto?

[August MacBeth]

has anyone got perl + apache2 working on debian unstable sucessfully? 
i've got libapache2-mod-perl2 installed as well as apache2, and perl+cgi 
pages show up displaying text. i've enabled perl.load and restarted 
apache but its still not working:

fargo# ls -l /etc/apache2/mods-enabled/
total 0
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   37 May 21 18:52 perl.load -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/perl.load
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   37 May 21 14:32 php4.conf -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.conf
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   37 May 21 14:32 php4.load -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/php4.load
lrwxrwxrwx1 root root   40 May 21 13:56 userdir.conf -> 
/etc/apache2/mods-available/userdir.conf

what am i missing?
thanks ,
august
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Re: grub fails

[Cristi Banciu]

Johann Spies wrote:
I have a fairly new PC with the following hardware:
messages like "Loading stage1.5" on the screen.
Did you edit /boot/grub/menu.lst according to your kernel ?
Does anyone know about a possible incompatibility between grub and
this hardware?
No, I have the same hardware and it is working fine with grub.
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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

William Ballard wrote:
> ...  As I said in another post,
year-first is ...bad for person to person 
communication.
That's not true in geneology, even for person-to-person communication.
You're confused about what makes it good or bad.  It's not
computers vs. people, it's something else.

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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

Paul Johnson wrote:
Roel Schroeven <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
...
One way to avoid the confusion is by using the ISO format:
/mm/dd. Also makes it very easy to sort by date.

Still has potential for ambiguity. 
Not really.  The only system in use that puts the year first
puts the month next and the second last.
Yes, you could make up a system that puts the month last,
but no one uses such a system, so when you see /xx/xx,
you can know how to interpet it.
> Which is why when you know other
people you're communicating with use other date formats, it's probably
best to use something neutral like 6 MAY 2004...
What about when they use other _languages_?
Daniel

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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

Paul Johnson wrote:
...
Checks will bounce unless dated like 5/6/2004, 6 MAY 2004 or May 6, 2004.
Bull.
I've been writing my checks like that for years.
Daniel

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Re: clamd and exim4-daemon-heavy

[J.H.M. Dassen (Ray)]

On Sat, May 22, 2004 at 13:26:55 +0200, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> since a while I have some troubles with `clamd' and `exim4-daemon-heavy' 
> (testing):
> the `/var/log/exim4/mainlog'  trace file contains error messages as:
> "2004-05-22 10:54:08 1BRSGd-0001Od-Kk malware acl condition: clamd: 
> ClamAV returned /var/spool/exim4/scan/1BRSGd-0001Od-Kk: Can't access the 
> file ERROR"
> 
> When clamd is run by `root' rather than by `clamav', everything works 
> fine (but certainely unsafe).
> 
> Any idea ?

See http://bugs.debian.org/250335 for better solutions.

HTH,
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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

richard lyons wrote:
... But it is entirely rational, since we write the 
smallest order digit at the right of numbers, to put this in the order 
2004/05/06 if we are being orderly and businesslike. 
...and given that write times with smaller units to the right.
(Of course, we write addresses with bigger units (e.g., country)
later...)
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Re: OT: Writing numbers longhand

[Daniel Barclay]

richard lyons wrote:
On Thursday 06 May 2004 14:43, Paul Johnson wrote:
...1,234,567.89 is "one million, two-hundred-thirty-four
thousand, five-hundred-sixty-seven and eighty-nine one-hundredths."

Oh come on - I never heard anyone pedantic enough to spell out the decimals 
like that.
That's not pedantic.  That's the original form before we started
abbreviating as you refer to next.
>  Everyone says "one million, two hundred (and) thirtyfour
thousand, five hundred (and) sixtyseven point eight nine...
Daniel

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Re: OT: Writing numbers longhand

[Daniel Barclay]

Paul Johnson wrote:
"Damon L. Chesser" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
...
I learned how to write numbers long-hand in 1989.  The only time
"and" comes into play is to separate the integer from the
fraction.  1,234,567.89 is "one million, two-hundred-thirty-four
thousand, five-hundred-sixty-seven and eighty-nine one-hundredths."
What about when there is no fraction?
Daniel

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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

Damon L. Chesser wrote:
Daniel B. wrote:
Travis Crump wrote:
...  Going through it in my mind, I pretty much treat it as any other 
list, dropping every 'and' but the last one.  Put another way, say 
you have 'One thousand women, 3 hundred men, and 46 children'.  How 
many people do you have? 'One thousand people, 3 hundred people, and 
46 people'.  Factor out people so that you only say it once and you 
have 'One thousand, 3 hundred, and 46 people'.

Hmm.  I never thought of it as a list, but you might have something
there.
To me (USA), "223,456" to me would be "two hundred twenty three
thousand four hundred and fifty six"; "123,000" would be
"one hundred and twenty three thousand" (or "a hundred and
twenty three thousand"); for a check for $123.45, I'd write it out
as "one hundred twenty three and 45/100 dollars."

Well, this kind of proves the point, does it not? 
Which point?
It certainly does NOT prove a claim that "one hundred and twenty three"
means 100.23 and doesn't mean 123.
It does support the claim that it's like a list.
> You write out "one
hundred twenty three *and* 45/100 dollars".  That is because you do not 
want *any* confusion on the amount that will be drafted from your 
account.  
I think you are completely confused.
1.  One reason I write that "and" is because "one hundred twenty
three 45/100 dollars" would make no sense.
2.  One reason I didn't write the "and" in "one hundred and twenty
three" is because there was an "and" following it, and we write
"A, B, and C" and not (usually) "A and B and C."
(The reason is not because "one hundred and twenty three" would
mean anything other than 123.)
3.  The fact that "one hundred and 45/100" or "one hundred and forty
five hundredths" means 100.45 can NOT be used to argue that "one
hundred and forty-five" doesn't mean 145 and means 100.45 instead.
There is a big difference between "forty five" and "forty
five hundredths."

(Actually, I think there official supposed to be hyphens in places
like "twenty-three thousand.")

FWIW I think you are right about hyphens.
I just wish I remembered better where they go and where they don't.
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Re: Samba problem resolved: roaming profiles wouldn't

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:09:13AM +0100, Randy Orrison ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Roberto Sanchez wrote:
> >Karsten M. Self wrote:
> >>[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System] 
> >>"LocalProfile"=dword:0001
> >>
> >>My only question is this:  is this key documented somewhere, and how
> >>would one ordinarially go about getting documentation on a registry key?
> >
> >Probably not documented.  I doubt MS would want people to know too much
> >about the registry.
> > [...]
> >That is one of the reasons I laugh at people who complain about the lack
> >of documentation for free software.
> 
> As with most documentation, free and proprietary, it's easy to find if 
> you know in advance what you're looking for.  Going to www.microsoft.com 
> and entering "HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE Policies LocalProfile" into the search 
> box on the front page returns two hits, different pages with the same 
> content.  One is here:
> 
> 
> Extracting from that page:
> | LocalProfile
> |   HKLM\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\System
> | Description
> |   Only allow local user profiles.
> 
> I'm not saying this would be easy to find if you didn't already know the 
> relevant registry key, but it is documented in the obvious place, and to 
> me it's clear what it means.  I have the same problem with documentation 
> for a lot of free software: if you know what you're looking for it's a 
> lot easier to find than if you just have a problem and don't know where 
> to look for the solution.

In the Free Software world, the answer would be a manpage that documents
either the entire file structure, or the relevant subtree of a shared
structure.  Of course, with GNOME rushing madly into fatal embrace of
the Registry, *and* abhorring manpages, all bets are off.  But we'll
file our bugreports here in Debian land.

But, say, for an application or suite which owned a particular subkey,
I'd expect to see:

  - A full listing of keys.
  - Values.
  - Behaviors.

Anything less would be a documentation bug.

This would be stored someplace reasonable.  Possibly cross-referencable
under "Registry Keys" or something in a documentation system (e.g.:
dwww, possibly a new manual section).

OK, having loaded the page here, it looks as if MSFT _are_ finally
headed in this direction.  But it's interesting to note how little-known
or referenced this particular help subsystem is.  My own search for
various keys didn't turn up anything remotely resembling this.  Instead
we've got a mass of " tips", a few O'Reilly hacks &
annoyances books, and the like.  Scattered suggestions, but no apparent
awareness of a canonical references.

There's also the slight issue that that's a W2K+3 ref and I'm working
XP, but I'll hunt for the other.


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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[Shri Shrikumar]

On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 14:34, David P James wrote:
> >
> > > The reasons for that is a whole other
> > >issue, but it's safe to conclude that free email access isn't going
> > > to solve their destitution (because if it would, it would already
> > > have happened or at least be underway).
> >
> > Communication is the beginning of every solution.
> > It *is* under way, e.g:-
> >
> > http://www.globalcn.org/es/article.ntd?id=178&sort=1.11
> >
> > http://europa.eu.int/comm/regional_policy/innovation/pdf/award/extrem
> >adura.pdf
> >
> > The implementation of open source software, along with internet
> > access and associated email, is creating the basis for an economic
> > (in the comprehensively true sense of the word) revolution in
> > Extremadura.
> 
> Very well, but would you care to enlighten us how providing free email 
> is going to help feed starving people in war torn countries in Africa, 
> like Somalia? That's what you've been arguing all along, so I'd love to 
> hear some details about it.

It might not solve starvation but it will give them the same access to
information and knowledge that people is countries that are better off
take for granted.

Shri

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Re: Is Enlightenment still being developed?

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2004-05-24T18:19:58Z, Jake Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I really like the Enlightenment Desktop, but it doesn't seem to be
> developed any longer.  Is E still being worked on?

Apparently so.  The first hit from Google:

http://enlightenment.org/pages/news.html

Of course, it's rumored that "E17" will be the official front-end to
GNU/Hurd (with a corresponding release schedule), and may incorporate
elements of Duke Nukem Forever.
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Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.

[Karsten M. Self]

on Mon, May 24, 2004 at 10:46:47AM +0100, Colin Watson ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> On Sun, May 23, 2004 at 11:48:39PM -0700, Marc Wilson wrote:
> > On Fri, May 21, 2004 at 01:03:22PM -0700, Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > > There are apparently three package selection databases.  These should be
> > > either unified or cross-validated:
> > > 
> > >   - dpkg
> > >   - apt
> > >   - aptitude
> > > 
> > > Anyone else running into this?
> > 
> > Karsten, don't bother.  Every time someone brings up the fact that
> > aptitude, everyone's darling perfect child, does its own damn thing and
> > re-implements the status file... they get told to go away.
> > 
> > What's even *better* is that command-line aptitude (insert random quote
> > about how aptitude is a drop-in replacement for apt-get, which it isn't)
> > and ncurses aptitude, *don't have the same behavior!*  Ncurses aptitude
> > *does* honor the status file.
> > 
> > Sometimes.
> > 
> > I'm sorry, but dpkg is the *fundamental* tool.  If you don't honor its
> > interfaces, you are *broken*.  'Nuff said.
> 
> Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status
> in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original
> author, who agreed ...)

Where do the various tools (dpkg, dselect, aptitude) stash their status
collections?

Seems there are two possible solutions, either of which might work,
neither jumps out at me as "right" or less klugy:

  1. Create a single standardized package status repository and have all
 utilities modified to use / query / update it.

  2. Leave the current status file balkanization in place, but have each
 of the major (or would all be better) package tools check to see if
 there is a status file in place elsewhere, and either incorporate
 its preferences, or warn the user.  In the latter case, a way to
 merge or apply changes from one format to the other would be
 helpful.  I'd be surprised if this didn't already exist.

Hrm.  1 would probably be less klugy, come to think.  Though politically
rife.


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Re: [OT Why GB English is different] Re: Mozilla firefox en-gb

[Daniel Barclay]

William Ballard wrote:
On Thu, May 06, 2004 at 10:22:31AM -0400, Daniel B. wrote:
I wonder if Damon or his teacher confused the dropping of "ands"
other than the last with dropping all "ands."

My teacher used to tell us: where do you see an "and" written there?
Huh?  Written where?
And is your teacher's comment anything other than idiotic?
In "123" there is no "one" or "twenty three" written there, but
that doesn't mean those words aren't used in pronouncing the number
written as "123."
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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[Kirk Strauser]

At 2004-05-24T12:50:01Z, Katipo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I have a number of personal acquaintances from Somalia.  One is the eldest
> son of the ex-prime minister.

Would you tell him to quit sending me email?  I am *not* going to give him
my bank account information, regardless of how much money he wants to
launder.

My inbox thanks you.
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Re: OT Shell tricks: I'll kill you later

[Karsten M. Self]

on Sun, May 23, 2004 at 01:18:01AM -0600, Bob Proulx ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Karsten M. Self wrote:
> > while sleep 600
> > do
> > ps aux | awk '/[w]hois/ {print $2}' | ( sleep 30; xargs kill )
> > done
> 
> Clever.  I like the concept.  But I don't like the ps side of the
> implementation.  The format is slightly different depending upon the
> state of the process.  Also the search can match too much and kill
> similarly named processes.

The ps side is actually simplified from the command I've been using.  I
wanted to illustrate the sleep pipe rather than the expressions used to
limit the process list.  In practice, I filter out a few patterns which
*will* match (parents of the actual whois process), and I run the
command as a nonprivileged user (so the 'a' is unnecessary).  So at best
I can shoot myself in my own foot.

The sleep actually provides additional insurance.  The idea is to kill
long-lived processes.  Most of the potential collateral damange will
have terminated from other causes before the kill is issued.
 
> Personally I am more familiar with the SysV format rather than the BSD
> format.  'ps aux' is roughly equivalent to 'ps -ef'.  But you don't
> generally want the full output output for what you are doing.  Is
> there an equivalent to SysV 'ps -e' in the BSD format?  In any case
> that is a better format for looking for processes by name.  Then we
> can make the awk test a little more precise.
> 
>   ps -e | awk '$NF == "whois" {print $1}' | ( sleep 30; xargs kill )
> 
> That avoids the collateral damage from similarly named processes.  It
> avoids needing the [w]hois workaround nicely.  

That is pretty cool, yeah ;-)

> But a process which is named exactly the same can still be killed.  

Again:  sleep pretty much assures that this either won't happen, or
wouldn't be a bad thing.

Remember:  the whole idea of running this is to clear out any processes
which are too long lived.  A decent WHOIS query should return in 1-20
seconds, unless something's wrong.  My 30 second sleep is a little on
the short side, but will be pretty safe in practice.  Doubling that
would almost certainly avoid unintentional damage.

> I assume you are running this process as root and killing user
> processes would be undesireable.

No.  We practice the principle of least privilege here.

> Of course if it is run as a unique non-root user then the system
> permissions will prevent it from actually killing other proceses.  But
> we can avoid it even trying.  Let's select only our own processes with
> 'ps -u userid'
> 
>   ps -u root | awk '$NF == "whois" {print $1}' | ( sleep 30; xargs kill )

Right.
 
> That avoids killing other user's processes.  It uses only standard
> utilities which is rather nice.  But there is a procps utility which
> can shorten things up a little.
> 
>   pgrep -xu root whois | ( sleep 30; xargs kill )

Nice.
 
> Personally I would probably leave the ps | awk in any script that I
> would write.  It uses only standard utilities and would work on other
> systems without change.  But on the commandline knowing it was
> available I would probably use the pgrep since it is simpler to type.
> 
> Bob
> 
> P.S. I really enjoyed your title.

;-)


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Re: Question about installing nvidia driver

[James Ng]

Thank you for your reply.

After I make do the following things, the nvidia-installer can run, but
I cannot still install the nvidia driver.

cd /usr/src/linux
make include/version.h

I do not know how to solve this problem, although someone say that the
solution is in the README file...

RROR: Unable to load the kernel module 'nvidia.ko'. This is most likely
because the kernel module was built using the wrong kernel source files.
Please make sure you have installed the kernel source files for your
kernel; on Red Hat Linux systems, for example, be sure you have the
'kernel-source' rpm installed. If you know the correct kernel source
files are installed, you may specify the kernel source path with the
'--kernel-source-path' commandline option.
-> Kernel module load error: insmod: QM_MODULES: Function not implemented

insmod: cannot open /proc/ksyms No such file or directory
ERROR: Installation has failed. Please see the file
'/var/log/nvidia-installer.log' for details. You may find suggestions
on fixing installation problems in the README available on the Linux
driver download page at www.nvidia.com.

Any suggestion?

Regards,
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LeVA wrote:

>2004. május 23. 18:19 dátummal Alexander Schmehl ezt írta:
>  
>
>>* LeVA <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [040523 16:25]:
>>
>>
>>>You must have the compiled(!) kernel sources, if you are using
>>>2.6.*.
>>>  
>>>
>>Shouldn't kernel-headers be sufficient?
>>
>>
>>
>When I've compiled my 2.6.5 kernel, and installed the nvidia drivers, it 
>was ok. But after the make clean in /usr/src/linux (symlink to 
>linux-2.6.5) the installer didn't work. And that was because it 
>couldn't find the version file, which contains the kernel source's 
>version, which exists in the 2.4* kernel's sources by default, but with 
>2.6* kernel, you must make the kernel to create that version file.
>
>This is just my experience. Try it, and you'll find out if it is 
>working.
>
>Daniel
>
>
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Re: Problem with Debian bootup

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-05-21, [EMAIL PROTECTED] penned:
>
> I brought it upstairs (no minotor in the basement)

I apologize in advance for this, but the mental imagery was just too
good!

Do many people have minotaurs in their basements?  I guess it's a good
thing you don't have one, or it would have been quite tricky to retrieve
the machine.

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Re: How to recover files from corrupted file system?

[tiresias]

On Mon, 2004-05-24 at 18:58, Alvin Oga wrote:
> and dont worry ... reiserfschk-3.6.14 doesn't always fix itself(reiserfs)
> either but tends to corrupt it more than it fixed it on the disks it tried
> to fix

I don't get it. Why would I use reiserfschk on this? The filesystem I
had before was ext3. And I have tried fsck.ext3 as well, but since the
inode table is overwritten by mkfs.reiserfs and the current filesystem
is reiserfs, it doesn't work. It's the ext3 filesystem I want to
recover.

> take out your backup tapes or backup disks or other backup cds

I have no backup of this partition. This is because the partition is 100
GB of size, and it is not a critical disk, so I don't bother paying $150
for a backup device for this one.

However, it would still be worth some hours of research to try to
retrieve the old files. So please give me some advice of what to do.

Best regards,
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Re: how to install wvware ?

[s. keeling]

Incoming from bing yu:
> i am a debian newbie, all sofware i have installed is by apt-get install 
> 
> i want to view MS doc file in mutt. here is my question, how to install
> wvware 

Have you considered "catdoc?"

  % apt-cache search catdoc
  catdoc - MS-Word to TeX or plain text converter
  % apt-get update
  % apt-get install catdoc


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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Katipo:
> My point is that in being more highly evolved, human beings are capable 
> of discerning where the point of suicide lies. This is where the 
> 'Tragedy' scenario fails. When a shared dependency upon a particular set 

What a load of crap.  The point of the 'Tragedy of The Commons' is
that regardless of whether we _can_ choose differently, we generally
_don't_ choose differently, since why the Hell should we?  It's not
_mine_, so why would I care about it?  It's not anybody else's either,
so nobody else is going to change.  If I change, I lose.  I've nothing
to gain by changing, since no one else is going to change as they have
nothing to gain by changing.

Public Housing invariably turns into slums because no one owns it.
Slums sold to the tenants turn into neighborhoods, because ownership
encourages responsible stewardship.

This is the kind of BS that gives economics a bad name.  Inventing
mythical beings that you call "human" doesn't mean they're going to
act like real humans.


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[Jake Johnson]

I really like the Enlightenment Desktop, but it doesn't seem to be developed any 
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Re: XMMS Plays Really Slow

[Jake Johnson]

Hi Jacob,
Did XMMS play correctly before you upgraded the Kernel?
Thanks,
Jake

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 09:17:31AM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> I've got a computer running a mix of testing/unstable with the latest
> updates with a weird problem.
> 
> I upgraded to kernel-image-2.4.25 so I could take advantage of the
> pre-compiled alsa modules available in alsa-modules-2.4.25. aRts seems
> to recognize the sound card fine after the modules are loaded - kscd
> plays an audio cd without any problems. However, when I load xmms and
> try to play a song, it takes about 10 - 15 seconds for each second of
> audio that it plays. I switched back to the OSS modules and have the
> same problem. I then tried upgrading to 2.4.26, but it still does the
> same thing. 
> 
> I have checked and it's not loading up the memory or cpu, so I can't see
> what would be causing this. The computer is an AMD 2600 with 512MB of
> ram. The sound card is built into a Gigabyte motherboard using the
> Nvidia nforce2 chipset. I am trying both the i810_audio and snd-intel8x0
> modules. Occasionally I get this error from the i810_audio module: 
> kernel: i810_audio: drain_dac, dma timeout?
> 
> Under kernel 2.4.20, before I did the recent updates, this sound card
> and the i810_audio module worked great together.
> 
> Has anyone else seen this problem before?
> 
> TIA,
> Jacob
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Re: How to recover files from corrupted file system?

[Alvin Oga]

On Mon, 24 May 2004, tiresias wrote:

> Hi!
> 
> Some weeks ago, being very tired, I ran mkfs.reiserfs on the wrong
> partition. This had an ext3 filesystem before I ruined the filesystem
> with my mkfs-command. The result was loss of many, many files. The
> partition is now unmounted and not touched since my blow up. I have
> tried to find tools that may help me recover my files.

and dont worry ... reiserfschk-3.6.14 doesn't always fix itself(reiserfs)
either but tends to corrupt it more than it fixed it on the disks it tried
to fix

> How can I retrieve files from a disk whose inode-table is overwritten?
> Are there any tools available for this?

take out your backup tapes or backup disks or other backup cds

if not ... oh well  we all do that mistake once ..
and some are stubborn and make that same mistake ( not having
good quality and functional backups ) a few more times :-)

c ya
alvin


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Re: Which hardware constructors for Debian ? :o(

[Sven Sternberger]

Hello!
I think an interessting question. And I'm a little bit
surprised about HP on this page it looks different:
http://www.software.hp.com/blade-servers/debian_img.htm
and debian is also listed on their testparc configuration:
http://www.testdrive.compaq.com/current.shtml
But if this all sucks :-( may you should try the
good old garage way. At our site we have about 100 TB
on small pc boxes w intel/serverworks boards (dual xeon) and
3ware controller. this is very cheap. another configuration
we use are barebones from supermicro (dual xeon, managment
card,scsi raid) and external sata raid from advanved unibyte.
we buy this stuff at our local pc supplier.
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Re: How long can we avoid using kernel 2.6.x ?

[Chris Metzler]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 16:56:16 +0100
Anthony Campbell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Is it going to become essential or at least highly
> desirable to shift to the new kernels in the near future?

Considering that the 2.0 and 2.2 kernel trees are still being
maintained, and that there are servers out there running both,
I don't think you need to hurry to adopt 2.6 for fear of 2.4
being abandoned.  That eventuality is probably a long way off.
So your transition should be driven by what you can get out
of it, and whether it's worth it to you.

I haven't tried it yet, because I keep seeing people (here and
on other lists) complaining about various problems; I wanna wait
until the rate of complaints drops enough, especially with regard
to latency issues.  But when that happens, I'll switch promptly
because of various enhancements that are advertised to speed up
the desktop tremendously.

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Re: How long can we avoid using kernel 2.6.x ?

[Dave Carrigan]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 04:56:16PM +0100, Anthony Campbell wrote:
> I've tried kernel 2.6.6 and encounter various problems: one is that
> magicfilter no longer works properly and another is that I don't find a
> config entry for my usb Epson scanner. Others will probably emerge later.
> 
> No doubt I can find solutions to all such problems with a lot of work
> but why should I bother, considering that 2.4.26 is working perfectly
> well for me? Is it going to become essential or at least highly
> desirable to shift to the new kernels in the near future?

I personally don't anticipate upgrading any of my production kernels for
6 months to a year, or even longer. From a security perspective, the
2.4 kernels will continue to be actively maintained, so the only reason
to switch is if you need something in the 2.6 kernel that the 2.4 kernel
doesn't provide.

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debootstrap problem

[Saygon]

I have a rather unusual problem. When I want to instal Debian (Sarge) i have an ( when 
the instalation reaches 70 %)debootstrap error( debotstrap returned 1) . The whole 
sytuation is more strange beceuse this is the second time I instal debian( the first 
ended with sucses). If anybody has an sugestion I will be greateful.
thanks


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Re: Display Catch-22

[Bob Proulx]

Thomas H. George wrote:
> My Belkin UPS probably saved my computer from the power surge but its 
> internal programming is probably fried.  I reinstalled the software from 
> the Linux tarball changing all the ownerships to root:tom and all the 
> permissions to 770.

Please be specific.  What software did you reinstall?  Did you
reinstall Debian?

> This allows me to display the monitor but I cannot 
> change the setup.  When I originally installed the UPS I did all this as 
> root and was able to change the setup.  This is no longer possible as 
> security changes do not allow me to open a display as root.

What software are you talking about here?  Belkin UPS monitoring
software?  From Debian or from elsewhere?

> The only thing to change is the com port which I was certain I had right 
> in the first place.  To be sure I uninstalled the programs and 
> reinstalled them changing from /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/ttyS1.  Neither works 
> though /dev/ttyS0 retrieved some information but in either case the 
> installed software generates periodic messages that the UPS device is 
> unreachable.  This is what makes me believe the UPS internal software is 
> fried.
> 
> Before replacing it I would like to be sure that the display problem is 
> resolved. I have searched the X11, xdm and icewm setup files trying to 
> remove the restriction preventing opening a display as root.  My plan 
> would be to take the computer offline (The connection is wireless so 
> ifdown wlan0 does this) during the time the root prohibition is overwridden.

I usually use 'ssh -l root -X localhost' to log into the machine as
root and tunnel the display back.  But other suggest other options.

> Any suggestions?

Please spend some time reading the following:

  http://catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html

Bob


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Re: cancel of <1X898-2no-1@gated-at.bofh.it>

[Bob Proulx]

Adam Funk wrote:
> Paul Johnson wrote:
> > Just a hint, cancels don't work on mailing lists.
> 
> But they work on the newsgroup (version of the list), which I read.  I
> hadn't thought about the cancel message itself getting posted to the
> list, however!

It reminds me of the MS Exchange server at work.  My lab is all unix
mail.  It is always very humorous to get the exchange message "user X
would like to recall message Y" from a user who thinks that will work.
I and others usually go, "okay, here is your message Y back" and send
it back to them.  :-)  Recall messages don't work either.

Bob


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Re: Installing different versions of debian package

[Andrea Tasso]

> This may sound stupid, but is it possible to install different versions of a debian 
> package at the same time?

It is in some way not in agreement with debian distributions idea, but you could, in 
the source,
change dependencies (in the control file) and rebuild, then install the deb w dpkg, 
and have both versions.

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Re: Intel S875WP1-E with woody

[Bob Proulx]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I have installed woody on an Intel S875WP1-E entry server board 
> (http://www.intel.com/design/servers/s875wp1-e/), but am having problems getting the 
> network cards to work. The board has 2 network cards, an Can anybody tell me how I 
> can get the working?

Please word wrap your lines at something like 72 columns.  Your
message is all on one line and goes out to 252 columns!  That makes it
very hard to read.

Please say *exactly* what kernel you have installed.  There are
several possibilities and the differences are important.

> They are:
> One Intel® PRO/100+ Server Network Connection (Intel 82562ET Controller) and one 
> Intel PRO/1000 XT Server Network Connection (Intel 82547EI Controller)

The 'woody' release includes the eepro100 driver which should work for
the first interface.  But it does not include anything appropriate for
the second interface.  You will need a newer kernel.  At least 2.4.19
or later is required.

Add 'eepro100' to /etc/modules to instruct the kernel to load that
module at boot time.

  modprobe eepro100

If taht works then the following:

  echo eepro100 >> /etc/modules

Alternatively you can use the 'modconf' program to help you do this
for you.

It is usually about here where I suggest getting the kernel from the
woody-proposed-updates area.  A not quite official update area and
very useful.

  deb http://http.us.debian.org/debian/ woody-proposed-updates main contrib

I would not upgrade from there.  Just install the kernel that you
want, then comment that line out for the future.  I always install the
kernel tuned for my architecture, k7 for an athlon, and so forth.

After you have installed the newer kernel then install the e1000
driver using the same proceedure as above.  After that works then
switch out the eepro100 for the better e100 driver.  The eepro100 is
the older driver and has some issues which are corrected by the e100
driver.  Edit /etc/modules and replace eepro100 with e100.  Either
unload the old driver and load the new one or simply reboot.

Bob


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Re: aptitude trap: 'hold' directives not honored.

[Bob Proulx]

Colin Watson wrote:
> Desired state of packages should never have been in /var/lib/dpkg/status
> in the first place. (And yes, I've had this discussion with the original
> author, who agreed ...)

In that case does a newer version of dpkg corrected this oversight?
And if not shouldn't there be one?  Then in a future version of the
software everything would work as desired?

Bob


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How to recover files from corrupted file system?

[tiresias]

Hi!

Some weeks ago, being very tired, I ran mkfs.reiserfs on the wrong
partition. This had an ext3 filesystem before I ruined the filesystem
with my mkfs-command. The result was loss of many, many files. The
partition is now unmounted and not touched since my blow up. I have
tried to find tools that may help me recover my files.

How can I retrieve files from a disk whose inode-table is overwritten?
Are there any tools available for this?

Thanks a bunch for any help on this!

Best regards,
Lars Tobias Borsting



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Display Catch-22

[Thomas H. George]

If this is a re-posting, my apologies.  The original was reported "Mail 
Delivery Failed" and did not appear in the list I downloaded.  In 
another case I re-posted a message after receiving the "Mail Delivery 
Failed" notice, the re-posting did appear when I downloaded the list and 
 there was a response to the re-posting telling me that the original 
was posted to the list.  I have reconfigured exim and hope this solves 
the problem.

My Belkin UPS probably saved my computer from the power surge but its 
internal programming is probably fried.  I reinstalled the software from 
the Linux tarball changing all the ownerships to root:tom and all the 
permissions to 770.  This allows me to display the monitor but I cannot 
change the setup.  When I originally installed the UPS I did all this as 
root and was able to change the setup.  This is no longer possible as 
security changes do not allow me to open a display as root.

The only thing to change is the com port which I was certain I had right 
in the first place.  To be sure I uninstalled the programs and 
reinstalled them changing from /dev/ttyS0 to /dev/ttyS1.  Neither works 
though /dev/ttyS0 retrieved some information but in either case the 
installed software generates periodic messages that the UPS device is 
unreachable.  This is what makes me believe the UPS internal software is 
fried.

Before replacing it I would like to be sure that the display problem is 
resolved. I have searched the X11, xdm and icewm setup files trying to 
remove the restriction preventing opening a display as root.  My plan 
would be to take the computer offline (The connection is wireless so 
ifdown wlan0 does this) during the time the root prohibition is overwridden.

Any suggestions?
Tom George
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Re: cgi

[Juan Nin]

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I'm working on CGI, one of my script (python or perl) launch a command (using
sudo). I would like this command to keep running when the cgi stops.
I tried system(), exec() and even fork() in perl and python but nothing.
you can run the command with an ampersand at the end so it runs on 
background, or use nohup

man nohup
regards,
Juan
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Re: how to install wvware?

[Hamilton Coutinho]

On Mon, May 24, 2004 at 11:22:26PM +0200, bing yu wrote:
>  am a debian newbie, all sofware i have installed is by apt-get install
> 
>  i want to view MS doc file in mutt. here is my question, how to install
>  wvware

Not exactly what you asked for, but I suggest you antiword.

# apt-get install antiword

The package installs a mailcap entry for application/msword so you don't
have to do anything to view word docs. You can even autoview word docs
if you put this line on your ~/.muttrc:

auto_view application/msword

HTH.

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Re: [OT] Yahoo's Antispam proposal

[John Hasler]

Lee Braiden writes:
> Maybe you didn't INTEND to condone anything, but I got the same
> impression that Katipo did.

I didn't.  And I don't particularly like to see political rants on
debian-user.
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How long can we avoid using kernel 2.6.x ?

[Anthony Campbell]

I've tried kernel 2.6.6 and encounter various problems: one is that
magicfilter no longer works properly and another is that I don't find a
config entry for my usb Epson scanner. Others will probably emerge later.

No doubt I can find solutions to all such problems with a lot of work
but why should I bother, considering that 2.4.26 is working perfectly
well for me? Is it going to become essential or at least highly
desirable to shift to the new kernels in the near future?

Anthony

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