download slows when cpu active

[Russell Davie]

Hi
when ever there is cpu-intense task, download slows to a halt.
And this is with external modem!
this box is AMD Athlon 1.2GHz, running Debian - testing, with kernel 2.4.22
any help appreciated
TIA
Russell
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AC97 on VIAKT3Ultra2 - sound server problems

[Michal Brennek]

Hi everybody!

 I am debian and linux newbie but managet through installation of most
 hardware and usefull packages. The only problem remains that I cannot
 setup  sound  server  (i'd  like  to  have  sound theme under X). The
 soundcard  is  AC97  -  integrated with my VIA KT3Ultra2 motherboard.
 During  the  bootup process I can see that soundcard is detected then
 in  X  I  have  sound in games and all the mp3/divx apps but enabling
 sound  server  is  not  a  good  idea  - it produces cyclic series of
 warbles.
 
 What can I do to have sound themes enabled?
 
 I run debian 2.4-26-1 and gnome.
 

Thanx a lot

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Re: how to upgrade a debian system not connected to network

[Ryan Nowakowski]

On Mon, Jun 14, 2004 at 10:42:47AM +0530, J.S.Sahambi wrote:
> I want to know is there any method by which I can download the packages 
> requiring upgrade for the PC-B in PC-A (remember PC-A and PC-B have 
> different list of installed packages!)?

Check out apt-mirror

http://apt-mirror.sourceforge.net/




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Re: how to upgrade a debian system not connected to network

[dircha]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:
I have a two debian/unstable systems (let us name them PC-A and PC-B). 
Both have got different packages installed. PC-A is connected to 
internet with 2 MBps link and so there is no problem in upgrading it 
regularly.

PC-B is not connected to internet. So I whenever I need to upgrade the 
system I download the 5 CD's of sid form 
ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ ,
burn then in RW-CDs and then upgrade the system.

I want to know is there any method by which I can download the packages 
requiring upgrade for the PC-B in PC-A (remember PC-A and PC-B have 
different list of installed packages!)?

If I can do that, I can copy the .deb files to  /var/cache/apt/archives 
of PC-B via a portable usb-dsik and execute apt-get upgrade.
Right, as was said already if there is any way you can connect the 
isolated computer to the internet connected computer, you could save 
yourself a lot of hassle.

But if for whatever reason it must remain unconnected, then you'll want 
to get the .deb packages downloaded on PC-A for transfer to PC-B.

apt-get has a -d option:
apt-get -d install [package] which downloads a .deb to 
/var/cache/apt/archives/[package][version].deb

So to upgrade everything on PC-B:
1. Get a list of packages (to upgrade) on B, to A.
2. apt-get clean on A to clear current package cache.
3. Feed the list into "apt-get -d install [...]".
4. Burn .deb packages from apt cache onto CDs.
5. Don't forget the repository list files.
At that point I'll leave it. Really at 4 there you should figure out how 
to create an apt repository cdrom (similar to the Debian installation 
CDs). But I've never done that.

Perhaps the debian-cd package is you need for this.
dircha
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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Kai Grossjohann]

Joachim Reichel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> This does not look like an entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config.
>
> No, it is from xfs-xtt's config file. Anyway, I have the same order of
> directories in XF86Config, after 'FontPath "unix/:7110"'.

Sorry for this bogus comment, I didn't (really) know what I was
saying...

Kai



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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Kai Grossjohann]

Another idea is to put the 100dpi and 75dpi unscaled fonts near the
beginning of the font path.

The font you're seeing looks like some fancy font that tries to be
cute.  Hm.  So perhaps try to find the font and remove it from your
system ;-)

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Re: hardware change

[Travis Crump]

Alex Lorca wrote:
hi all
i'm going to change some hardware in my computer (motherboard and video
card)... do i need to reinstall the whole system?? in this case how can
i save my configuration???
i need to install the same system in other computer too, how can i
"copy" the same configuration of mine to this computer??
i read in the reference how to save the package list but wath about the
files i had modified in /etc ???
thanks 


You shouldn't need to re-install.  I changed motherboard/video 
card[Athlon-thunderbird->Athlon-XP, NVIDIA->NVIDIA] on my computer and 
it booted up fine without having to do anything else.  If you are making 
a more drastic change[Athlon<->Intel], I think all you have to worry 
about is the kernel[just install a kernel appropriate for the new setup 
prior to switch, or install a generic kernel].  Nothing userland should 
be affected except for optimized stuff[pretty much nothing in the 
archive is optimized[all I can think of is mplayer which isn't really in 
the archive], so only self-compiled stuff do you need to watch out for].


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Re: how to upgrade a debian system not connected to network

[J.S.Sahambi]

PC-B is not connected to internet. So I whenever I need to upgrade the 
system I download the 5 CD's of sid form 
ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ ,
burn then in RW-CDs and then upgrade the system.

I want to know is there any method by which I can download the 
packages requiring upgrade for the PC-B in PC-A (remember PC-A and 
PC-B have different list of installed packages!)?
Others may give a better answer. One easy way that comes to my mind is 
internet sharing. For example, you can buy a router and connet PC-A & 
PC-B to the router. The router connects to the outside world through the 
2mbps link. The LAN enables to share the files between the computers 
very easy.

I forgot to mention that there is no possibility of ethernet connection 
between PC-A and PC-B as they are in different locations.

Waiting for other answers.
JSS
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Re: how to upgrade a debian system not connected to network

[Kamaraju Kusumanchi]

J.S.Sahambi wrote:
I have a two debian/unstable systems (let us name them PC-A and PC-B). 
Both have got different packages installed. PC-A is connected to 
internet with 2 MBps link and so there is no problem in upgrading it 
regularly.

PC-B is not connected to internet. So I whenever I need to upgrade the 
system I download the 5 CD's of sid form 
ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ ,
burn then in RW-CDs and then upgrade the system.

I want to know is there any method by which I can download the packages 
requiring upgrade for the PC-B in PC-A (remember PC-A and PC-B have 
different list of installed packages!)?

If I can do that, I can copy the .deb files to  /var/cache/apt/archives 
of PC-B via a portable usb-dsik and execute apt-get upgrade.

Any help will be appriciated.
Thanks
JSS

Others may give a better answer. One easy way that comes to my mind is 
internet sharing. For example, you can buy a router and connet PC-A & 
PC-B to the router. The router connects to the outside world through the 
2mbps link. The LAN enables to share the files between the computers 
very easy.

Other method to share the internet is to set up one of the machines as a 
gateway and connect the other machine to the gateway.

For more details see http://www.aboutdebian.com/network.htm
I found it very useful and is one of my alltime favorites.
hth
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how to upgrade a debian system not connected to network

[J.S.Sahambi]

I have a two debian/unstable systems (let us name them PC-A and PC-B). 
Both have got different packages installed. PC-A is connected to 
internet with 2 MBps link and so there is no problem in upgrading it 
regularly.

PC-B is not connected to internet. So I whenever I need to upgrade the 
system I download the 5 CD's of sid form 
ftp://ftp.fsn.hu/pub/CDROM-Images/debian-unofficial/sid/ ,
burn then in RW-CDs and then upgrade the system.

I want to know is there any method by which I can download the packages 
requiring upgrade for the PC-B in PC-A (remember PC-A and PC-B have 
different list of installed packages!)?

If I can do that, I can copy the .deb files to  /var/cache/apt/archives 
of PC-B via a portable usb-dsik and execute apt-get upgrade.

Any help will be appriciated.
Thanks
JSS
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hardware change

[Alex Lorca]

hi all

i'm going to change some hardware in my computer (motherboard and video
card)... do i need to reinstall the whole system?? in this case how can
i save my configuration???

i need to install the same system in other computer too, how can i
"copy" the same configuration of mine to this computer??

i read in the reference how to save the package list but wath about the
files i had modified in /etc ???


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Re: Howto Solve My Boot-Up Problems

[Ed Sutherland]

Except for your advice, I received zero responses from either list, so I 
reinstalled.

Ed
Clive Menzies wrote:

You might ask on debian-PPC, where the percentage of Mac users is
likely higher.
   

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Re: Help proftpd

[Brian Nelson]

"John Fleming" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Proftpd only has one config file, and it doesn't seem complicated.  However,
> it seems I only have anonymous ftp service.  This is interesting because all
> of the anonymous section of the conf file is commented out by default.  What
> am I missing?  What is the key element in having "normal" access by my
> users?  I don't want ANY anonymous access.  Thanks - John

I don't know anything in particular about proftpd, but I do know that
non-anonymous ftp access is highly deprecated anyway due to security
concerns.  Hell, even anonymous ftp is deprecated--if I were you, I'd
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Help proftpd

[John Fleming]

Proftpd only has one config file, and it doesn't seem complicated.  However,
it seems I only have anonymous ftp service.  This is interesting because all
of the anonymous section of the conf file is commented out by default.  What
am I missing?  What is the key element in having "normal" access by my
users?  I don't want ANY anonymous access.  Thanks - John



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Re: i810 watchdog troubles (solved, but...)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > i8xx TCO timer: initialized (0x1060). heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)
> 
> nowayout=0 means it should shutdown the watchdog on close.  You have
> a kernel bug.  Someone else reported the same problem here.  You're the
> third one, I think.

Hmm... make that *most probably* you have a kernel bug.  Install lsof, run
it with the system in the unstable condition, and make sure NOTHING is
holding /dev/watchdog open...

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Re: i810 watchdog troubles (solved, but...)

[Henrique de Moraes Holschuh]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Hendrik Fuss wrote:
> I've just installed sarge (testing) on a new Fujitsu-Siemens R610 Dual
> Xeon workstation, but it took me quite a while to find out why the
> machine would power cycle every two minutes *only* when running under a
> 2.6 kernel (kernel-image 2.6.6-1-686-smp). No problems with a 2.4
> kernel.

This is a severe hint of a terminally defective i810_tco module in the
2.6 kernel.  It must *NOT* activate the watchdog, for whatever reason,
unless someone opens /dev/watchdog. 

> Installing the watchdog package didn't help. In addition I had to edit
> the config file /etc/watchdog.conf and uncomment the line
> "watchdog-device". After that the system was stable.

Ok, here are the two possibilities I can think off:

1. Kernel bug
2. Someone did something as exteremly stupid as compiling the kernel
   with "do not stop watchdog on close" enabled, AND some hideous
   braidamaged program is opening stuff it should not touch with a footlong
   pole in /dev.

> I still think there's something wrong with the way the watchdog driver
> and daemon work, though. Why does the timer get started even though
> there's no watchdog daemon writing to the /dev/watchdog device? I'm not

No, it is supposed to be started when something OPENS /dev/watchdog, and
it should shutdown the watchdog if /dev/watchdog is closed *unless* you
specifically compile the kernel otherwise, or give the module an specific
parameter.

> even sure the i8xx_tco module started the timer, though on startup it
> would print this message:
> 
> i8xx TCO timer: initialized (0x1060). heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)

nowayout=0 means it should shutdown the watchdog on close.  You have
a kernel bug.  Someone else reported the same problem here.  You're the
third one, I think.

You should file a bug against the kernel image package, I guess.

For the record, I use i810_tco compiled statically in a 2.4 kernel, and
it works wonderfully.

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Re: sounds recording not functioning

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 20:34:53 -0400
Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 13 June 2004 06:29 pm, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > I've been attempting to plus an inexpensive mic into my computer, to
> > start recording sounds clips.
> 
> > My speakers are plugged into the connector, which leaves 2
> > connectors to try.
> 
> On most recent things it will be the red hole.

Thanks.. That's what I thought. But with nothing appearing to work, I
wasn't sure.

> > I've been using sound-recorder, which dutifully records nothing when
> > I plug the mic into either hole/connector.
> 
> Sounds like a mixer problem.  Mixers under ALSA can be a real bear to
> figure out.  I'm not familiar with yours, so I can't be directly
> helpful.

I've been using aumix & kmix. selecting the different sources.

> With mine (SB Live!) I have to set the "Capture Source" to "Mic" and
> then activate and crank up the "AC97 Capture" slider to capture
> anything from my microphone.
> 
> The only mixer I've found where I can actually accomplish this
> consistently is something called KAMix, which we don't even have for
> Debian.  I've tried everything, and nothing else presents the controls
> I need in a way that lets me control all of them.  It's really quite a
> horrible mess.
> 


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Re: ccing

[Steve Lamb]

Hendrik Boom wrote:
> A little pricier if you have to replace your entire machine to gat over 
> the 48Meg limit because they don't make mamory that old any more.

Hrmmm, how old would that be?  Just got some sticks of PC133 off of ebay a
few weeks back.  $70 for 512Mb.  Are we talking 72pin, 30pin?  Yeah, people
can come up with "Well, what about THIS situation".  Of course they're
completely ignoring the fact that the discussion in question was whether or
not *I* wanted to fork over the extra money for RAM to run TBird over mutt.
*I* would because none of my machines are to the point where I have to worry
about RAM all that much.  If your machine does and you're unable to get a $200
Wal-Mart special then, yeah, looking at extending the life of that machine
which has faithfully served you for well over a decade would be a wise choice.

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Re: Getting boot not to hang if ethernet not plugged into modem

[Adam Aube]

Cheryl Homiak wrote:

> Is there something one can put in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere so
> that ethernet card coming up will be conditional. right now, if I boot on
> either my laptop or desktop with "auto" set for eth0 and the cable modem
> isn't connected to the ethernet card, the whole boot hangs for quite a
> while.

Which means eth0 is set to use DHCP, and you are waiting for the DHCP to
timeout. What you need is a script to run in a "pre-up" line to detect if
there is a connection on the NIC.

Several scripts have been posted to this list. I have a variant adapted from
one of them. It works for both wired and wireless NICs. For wired NICs, it
uses mii-tool to see if there is a connection on the cable. For wireless
NICs, it uses iwconfig to make sure the NIC supports wireless (meaning it's
plugged in - my wireless NIC is PCMCIA).

Just setup /etc/network/interfaces like this:

iface eth0 inet dhcp
pre-up /usr/local/bin/checknic.sh wired

For wireless NICs, replace "wired" with wireless. The script is posted at
the end of this message.

Adam

#!/bin/bash
# checknic.sh - Checks status of network connection
# Called by ifupdown in the pre-up section
# Usage: $0 (wired|wireless)

# Status statements
MIIACK="link ok"
WIFINACK="no wireless extensions"

# System programs
GREP="/bin/grep"
IFCONFIG="/sbin/ifconfig"
IWCONFIG="/sbin/iwconfig"
MIITOOL="/sbin/mii-tool"

# Test connection for link
$IFCONFIG $IFACE 0.0.0.0 > /dev/null 2>&1 || exit 1
case $1 in
  wired)
(( `$MIITOOL $IFACE | $GREP -c "$MIIACK"` > 0 )) && exit 0
  ;;
  wireless)
(( `$IWCONFIG $IFACE | $GREP -c "$WIFINACK"` < 1 )) && exit 0
  ;;
  *)
exit 2
  ;;
esac

exit 1


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How ya doin?

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Re: fsck very slow

[Ken Simon]

Hi,
I am using Kernel 2.6.5 and Debia Sarge. During
the boot process fsck 1.35 is checking my filesystems
when they have been mounted couple times. When my
linux installation was "fresh" this process took
just some seconds. But since I have made some upgrades
it now takes very long approx. 5 min (depending on size
of partition).
Any hints how to solve this problem?

Can't help you on speed, but `tune2fs -c 0 /dev/hdx` disables automatic 
checks that happen every n mounts.  But as long as you're doing that, 
you may as well `tune2fs -j /dev/hdx` to make it ext3. =) (Make sure you 
update fstab though)

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Sid KDE menu fonts changed

[H. S.]

I usually update (using dselet) my Sid box(2.4.26-1-686) every couple of 
days or so. I did so yesterday as well, but this morning, for some 
reason, the box was not responding. So I just reset the computer. Since 
then, the fonts in the K-menu's fonts, or it's entries's arrangements, 
seem to have changed. The menu when opened stretches all the way up to 
the top of the screen, unlike before when it reached only around 65% of 
the screen height.

I was thinking maybe the XFree86-config have changed somehow, but the 
resolution of the screen seems to be the same as before.

The effect is that the items are streched out vertically more, there is 
more spacing between the items. Has anybody experienced this?

One solution is to change the fonts in my KDE control. But how do I do 
this for all users? Where is the config file that saves the default 
fonts for KDE?

Thanks,
->HS
Other info:
~$ dpkg -l kde* | grep '^ii'
ii  kde3.1.2  The K Desktop Environment
ii  kde-amusements 3.1.2  The K Desktop Environment (Games and Toys)
ii  kde-core   3.1.2  The K Desktop Environment (Core)
ii  kde-icons-crys 3.7-2  Crystal icon theme for KDE
ii  kde-icons-noia 1.0-2  Noia icon theme for KDE 3
ii  kdeaddons  3.2.2-1add-on plugins and applets provided 
with KDE
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and f
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ii  kdeadmin-kfile 3.2.2-1KDE File dialog plugins for deb and 
rpm file
ii  kdeartwork 3.2.2-1themes, styles and more from the 
official KD
ii  kdeartwork-mis 3.2.2-1various multimedia goodies released 
with KDE
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ii  kdebase-bin3.2.2-1KDE Base (binaries)
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ii  kdebase-kio-pl 3.2.2-1KDE I/O Slaves
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ii  kdegraphics-kf 3.2.2-1provide meta information for graphic files
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Re: Gnome 2.6 and MAC OSX-like panel

[glenn]

Hi Phillipus

Don't worry the man page tells you sweet_f_a - read it, then skim read
last half of /usr/share/doc/gdesklets/README (ungzip it first) then have
a look at /usr/share/gdesklets/Displays, if you use nautilus, you can
'open' with gdesklets, as described in the man page (assuming you've
started gdesklets per your earlier question).

Best of luck - I have lots of troubles with nautilus and gnome 2.6
freezing, and these little cuties just increase the frequency of this

Glenn


On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 22:45, Phillipus Gunawan wrote:
> hi there,
> 
> reading your mailling list, i am interesting to give
> it a try. Unfortunetly, after apt-get install finished
> and I run the gdesklets, nothing happen.
> 
> During the starting GANOME desktop, I can see that
> gdesklets is running (the splash screen shows what are
> packages runing)
> 
> How to activate it? did I missing something? I can not
> show what happen because I didn't see anything, it
> just like it was never run.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> --- Elimar Riesebieter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 the mental interface of
> > Steven Yap told:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 13:51, Elimar Riesebieter
> > wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Not with the standard Gnome panel. gdesklets does
> > have a panel which
> > > behaves that way. Give a spin.
> > 
> > The starterbar works like expected ;-)
> > 
> > Thanks a lot
> > 
> > Elimar
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> >   Experience is something you don't get until 
> >   just after you need it!
> > 
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Re: Network install fails on reboot

[Kent West]

Elder C. Alan Hungerford wrote:
I am trying to do a network install of Woody on an old p2 so that I 
can turn it into a glorified mp3 player for my company’s on hold music 
and messages. I can get as far as rebooting the machine through 
setting up the system clock and such. But it seems that when it 
reboots it loses its network config Because it can no longer connect 
to the mirror site (any mirror site). What file do I need to edit to 
set a proper network config, for the first portion of the Install DHCP 
worked to configure the network. But I could set static ips if necessary.

Make sure you have kernel support for your nic (lsmod, modconf, modprobe).
Make sure /etc/networking/interfaces is configured properly (example 
file or "man interfaces")

Make sure /etc/resolv.conf has your ISP's name servers listed.
Can you ping local machines by name? by number? remote machines by name? 
by number?

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kde, how to use vector icons?

[Toshiro]

I can't use any vectorial iconset in KDE (well, I can select them in Control 
Panel|Appearance & Themes|Icons, but I can't see any icon when I do :) 

Do I need to install anything extra to use them?

Toshiro.


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Re: fsck very slow

[Michael Loftis]

--On Friday, June 11, 2004 14:30 +0200 Christian Christmann 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hi,
I am using Kernel 2.6.5 and Debia Sarge. During
the boot process fsck 1.35 is checking my filesystems
when they have been mounted couple times. When my
linux installation was "fresh" this process took
just some seconds. But since I have made some upgrades
it now takes very long approx. 5 min (depending on size
of partition).
Any hints how to solve this problem?
5 minutes is fast for ext2 -- OTOH it's kinda slow for ext3, or any other 
journalling FS, but what you should really do is just shut your machine 
down properly then it won't have to fsck at all!  Neat concept, and it 
prevents data loss.  Also keeps cranky FSes like XFS from deciding to 
unmount themselves and do other random garbage.


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Unidentified subject!

[joanne steadman]

my daughter lost the  disl to the ethernet card 
dfe-530tx tried down loading it..but it fails  jo




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Re: Please advise me...

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 12:19:27AM -0500, dircha wrote:

.

> Well, I guess I didn't know what type of user you were. That you say you 
> will be doing a lot of coding, I assume, from what you said above, that 
> you are entering a Computer Science or Engineering program.

.

> If you run Debian/Linux as your primary OS, the odds are that you will 
> get no support from your school's IT support services. On your own you 
> will have to figure out how to print on their (probably) Windows network 
> to their Windows printer shares, and probably access file shares on a 
> Windows network. If your school has a local Linux Users Group, perhaps 
> you can go there for help with issues specific to your school's network 
> resources.

A number of universities are seeing the light and moving (or should
I say lurching) to Linux.  Sometimes it's a war between
Computer Science (Linux) and everyone else (WIndows).  Find out what the
situation is before you buy and/or enroll.

> 
> Also, you may have to turn in electronic documents that will 
> render/format correctly as .doc documents in MS Word. There are little 
> issues that come up with things like bulleted lists, outlines, and 
> footnotes.

I use abiword. I don't use these things.  I find the user-interface too
clumsy.

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Re: Save to Live CD

[Carl Fink]

Lots of text snipped below:

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:17:54PM -0500, dircha wrote:

...

> You don't want to rewrite the entire disk every time; just your changes.

...
 
> When it's time to save changes, then use the cdrecord "blank=session" 
> option to blank the previous session, and rewrite it including the 
> links, and including the newer files.
> 
> Can anyone tell us whether we are on the right track here?

I think you aren't.  What you really want is packet writing, which lets you
treat the CD much more like a standard disk drive.  See:

http://packet-cd.sourceforge.net/

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Re: ccing

[Hendrik Boom]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:46:10AM -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > I use a GUI almost all the time; X Window.  And yes, I do have
> > multiple XTerms on it.  That's still a lot lighter than some of the
> > multi-megabyte MUAs we're seeing these days.  Consider the cost of
> > that one feature you're hoping to satisfy that you think mutt can't
> > provide.  Is that _really_ worth the cost in RAM, disk, and your time?
> > If so, by all means, fire away.
> 
> Hmmm, let's take this argument and run with it, shall we?
> 
> Cost of a stick of 512Mb PC2700 RAM (what I us in my gaming rig)...  about
> $100.

A little pricier if you have to replace your entire machine to gat over the 48Meg 
limit because they don't make mamory that old any more.

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Re: ccing

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:
> Uhhh?!?  This is the Unix Way!  Mutt handles mail.
> Other things do other stuff.  You want better refinement over mutt's
> way of monitoring mailboxes?  Add something else into the mix.

There is a time to break down to smaller components and there is a time to
add it into the mix.  BTW, lemme know when you find this 58Mb monstrosity that
claims to do everything.

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Re: [SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[GOTO Masanori]

At Sun, 13 Jun 2004 19:01:46 +0200,
Christoph Hellwig wrote:
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:36:48PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> > * debian kernels need to be available compiled with se/linux security
> >   enabled (and boot-time optional) by default.  this results in a
> >   2% performance hit (wow big deal) when se/linux is not enabled
> >   at boot time.  Gentoo, SuSE and Fedora all accept this 2%.
> 
> It's actually disabled again (compiled in but disabled) in SuSE because
> the performance hit was much much worse.  And I remember benchmark
> numbers where the lsm hooks alone decreased the SpecWeb numbers on ia64
> by more than 10%.  I'd vote strongy against enabling LSM in the Debian
> kernel images.

If it's true, I agree that we don't enable it in default.

Regards,
-- gotom


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Re: OO Help missing

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Paul Scott wrote:

:Carl Fink wrote:
:
:>On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:29:42PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
:>
:>
:>> <>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Carl Fink wrote:
:>
:>>:You have to install the help package separately.
:>>
:>>That seems a little counter-intuitive until I remember that help is
:>>locale-specific.
:>>
:>>
:>
:>If you (like me) install with "apt-get install", you tend to miss the
:>suggested packages.  Which is to say, I did the same thing.
:>
:>
:Try aptitude.  (or synaptic if you prefer).  You will find it highly
:suggested on this list.

I use aptitude.  But "suggested" packages are a layer away from where I
usually interact with it.  OO really should require, not merely suggest,
some form of help, maybe some sort of dummy package which invites you to
select the appropriate help for your locale ... as Carl suggested.

Patrick


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Re: sounds recording not functioning

[Silvan]

On Sunday 13 June 2004 06:29 pm, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> I've been attempting to plus an inexpensive mic into my computer, to
> start recording sounds clips.

> My speakers are plugged into the connector, which leaves 2 connectors to
> try.

On most recent things it will be the red hole.

> I've been using sound-recorder, which dutifully records nothing when I
> plug the mic into either hole/connector.

Sounds like a mixer problem.  Mixers under ALSA can be a real bear to figure 
out.  I'm not familiar with yours, so I can't be directly helpful.

With mine (SB Live!) I have to set the "Capture Source" to "Mic" and then 
activate and crank up the "AC97 Capture" slider to capture anything from my 
microphone.

The only mixer I've found where I can actually accomplish this consistently is 
something called KAMix, which we don't even have for Debian.  I've tried 
everything, and nothing else presents the controls I need in a way that lets 
me control all of them.  It's really quite a horrible mess.

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Re: multiple terminals on a serial line (was Re: ccing)

[Jonathan Dowland]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:39:55PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
 
> I know screen. My point is that I consider having to remember what
> I read an advantage because it forces me to actually *learn* instead
> of copying.
> 
> Regards
> Matthias

Well each to their own. Learning where to look is generally more useful
than learning by rote.

I don't know how you can stand the serial console - I just setup linux
on a sparcstation 5 using one yesterday and the speed drove me mad.

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Re: Getting boot not to hang if ethernet not plugged into modem

[dircha]

Kent West wrote:
Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Is there something one can put in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere 
so that ethernet card coming up will be conditional.?
Not really the best answer, but perhaps it might work in your case. You 
should be able to hit Ctrl-C when it hangs, and that particular script 
will abort, and the rest of the boot will then finish out.
Well, since interfaces are brought up by /etc/init.d/network, I think 
you could also solve this by appending '&' to the two 'ifup -a' 
statements in the 'start' case of that script.

Then your DHCP requests (which will go unanswered) happen in the 
background while boot continues.

The only issue is if you have something else in the boot process that 
expects a network connection. On normal boot, when you are connected, 
these things might not happen properly if you don't wait for the network 
interfaces to be brought up.

Maybe you could modify the script to bring up the 'lo' interface first, 
and then background the interface connected to the cable modem.

I guess that makefile based bootup that was on Slashdot (I think) a few 
months back would come in handy here.

dircha
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Re: Getting boot not to hang if ethernet not plugged into modem

[Kent West]

Cheryl Homiak wrote:
Is there something one can put in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere 
so that ethernet card coming up will be conditional. right now, if I 
boot on either my laptop or desktop with "auto" set for eth0 and the 
cable modem isn't connected to the ethernet card, the whole boot hangs 
for quite a while. i noticed when experimenting with Fedora recently 
that there was only a brief pause if the cable modem wasn't plugged 
in, then the boot continued almost immediately. Not trying to compare 
distros; it's just that having this happen with Fedora made me wonder 
if it was possible to set something up in debian. I don't always know 
when I am going to boot on a computer without the modem connected and 
it seems anyway that there could be a better solution than changing 
/etc/network/interfaces whenever i think I might be doing this.
Thanks.


Not really the best answer, but perhaps it might work in your case. You 
should be able to hit Ctrl-C when it hangs, and that particular script 
will abort, and the rest of the boot will then finish out.
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Re: ccing

[Brian Nelson]

"s. keeling" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Incoming from Brian Nelson:
>> 
>> I don't know about that.  I've found that mutt is one of the painfully
>> slowest MUAs around (at least at loading large Maildirs or IMAP folders)
>> even on very fast computers...
>
> That's pretty simple to deal with.  Archive old mail, and just keep a
> year's worth in your mail dir.

I have mail "expire", i.e. get deleted, after 2 weeks for every mailing
list I read.  However, for high traffic ones (note debian-user is
relatively low-traffic for me), that amounts to a steady 12,000 or so
mails.  Mutt takes at least 10 seconds to load such a Maildir folder.
And if it's over IMAP, even locally, forget about it.  It'll take at
least a minute.

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Re: Re-run Grub???

[MillTek]

Ken Simon wrote:
MillTek wrote:
Now that I have Sarge loaded on one of my partitions, I would like to 
re-run Grub so that it will re-scan the partitions to make the boot 
menu (where you pick the OS you want to load).  Is there a way to do 
this??  If you know can you show me the commands. (I did go to the 
grub website but they have an all-new grub and an older one and I 
haven't a clue which one Sarge uses)

Thanks,
Jim

update-grub should rescan the disks and make a new config file, and 
grub-install /dev/hdx installs it to drive x

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Thanks Ken. Just what I needed.
Jim
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plz call me

[Jimmie Hawk]

Hey, my name is jen and I'm new to this online dating thing. 
I've just my profile up, you should come check it out it's interesting. 
I just want to get to know you a little better if you don't mind, come check my 
profile out at:

www.starjen.com/cam.html

I also got a videocam so we can make it interesting, and don't worry you dont need a videocam.
Anyways I hope you get back to me soon! 

bye

sounds recording not functioning

[Rodney D. Myers]

I've been attempting to plus an inexpensive mic into my computer, to
start recording sounds clips.

My speakers are plugged into the connector, which leaves 2 connectors to
try.

I've been using sound-recorder, which dutifully records nothing when I
plug the mic into either hole/connector.

The sound card is built into the mother board, and using the via82xx
chipset.

Here is the output from lsmod;

Module  Size  Used by
snd_via82xx26592  0 
gameport4736  1 snd_via82xx
snd_mpu401_uart 8000  1 snd_via82xx
snd_rawmidi24928  1 snd_mpu401_uart
snd_seq_device  8264  1 snd_rawmidi
snd_ac97_codec 64452  1 snd_via82xx
snd_pcm96996  1 snd_via82xx
snd_page_alloc 11460  2 snd_via82xx,snd_pcm
snd_timer  25284  1 snd_pcm
snd55140  7 
snd_via82xx,snd_mpu401_uart,snd_rawmidi,snd_seq_device,snd_ac97_codec,snd_pcm,snd_timer
uart40111844  1 via82cxxx_audio
sound  83244  2 via82cxxx_audio,uart401
soundcore  10400  3 snd,via82cxxx_audio,sound
ac97_codec 18700  1 via82cxxx_audio
via82cxxx  14236  1 
ide_core  148512  5 usb_storage,ide_cd,ide_disk,ide_generic,via82cxxx

Any ideas, or help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks



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Re: Re-run Grub???

[Ken Simon]

MillTek wrote:
Now that I have Sarge loaded on one of my partitions, I would like to 
re-run Grub so that it will re-scan the partitions to make the boot 
menu (where you pick the OS you want to load).  Is there a way to do 
this??  If you know can you show me the commands. (I did go to the 
grub website but they have an all-new grub and an older one and I 
haven't a clue which one Sarge uses)

Thanks,
Jim

update-grub should rescan the disks and make a new config file, and 
grub-install /dev/hdx installs it to drive x

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Re: web-centric mail clients

[Roberto Sanchez]

Tom Allison wrote:
I've been using squirrelmail as my web-mail interface.
But I'm wondering what else it out there in Debian packages.

Horde is 'da bomb.  In addition to webmail, it also has a password
changer (no need for shell access to change password),
addressbook/contact manager (can connect to LDAP source), calendar,
memo program, task list manager, vacation announcement and forwarding.
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Re: ccing

[dircha]

Paul Scott wrote:
s. keeling wrote:
Or go with some 58 Mb monster that purports to be able to do
everything.  Choose your poison.
A bit of exaggeration?  I don't read my mail with OpenOffice which is 
about that size.  Thunderbird is an order of magnitude smaller at under 
8 Mb.  Mutt and exim together are just under 1.5 Mb.
And that "monster" can handle reading my mail on a remote/central imap 
server over ssl without dying and complaining about gnutls "something 
something" errors every few minutes, and without making me use imap as 
if it were pop.

I used to use mutt when I did everything on a pop account, but when I 
switched, it failed, and I wasn't willing to take any more time to 
hassle with it.

One of these days I might take the time to give it a second chance, but 
I hear emacs calling me...

dircha
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Re: Howto Solve My Boot-Up Problems

[Clive Menzies]

On (13/06/04 14:07), Carl Fink wrote:
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> From: Carl Fink <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sun, 13 Jun 2004 14:07:39 -0400
> Subject: Re: Howto Solve My Boot-Up Problems
> 
> On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 10:22:37AM -0400, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> 
> > When I rebooted, the Apple OpenFirmware screen came up after the second stage
> > of Yaboot and said something about an error, whereupon the OF screen scrolled
> > ">ok" and locked-up keyboard input. The only option I had was using Yaboot to
> > boot into Mac OSX.
> 
> You might ask on debian-PPC, where the percentage of Mac users is
> likely higher.
That's:
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Re: web-centric mail clients

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Take a look at http://turtle.ee.ncku.edu.tw/openwebmail/
It's pretty full-featured, and runs fairly nicely there's an online 
demo on that page somewhere that you can try out to get a feel for it.

Tom Allison wrote:
I've been using squirrelmail as my web-mail interface.
But I'm wondering what else it out there in Debian packages.


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Getting boot not to hang if ethernet not plugged into modem

[Cheryl Homiak]

Is there something one can put in /etc/network/interfaces or somewhere so 
that ethernet card coming up will be conditional. right now, if I boot on 
either my laptop or desktop with "auto" set for eth0 and the cable modem 
isn't connected to the ethernet card, the whole boot hangs for quite a 
while. i noticed when experimenting with Fedora recently that there was 
only a brief pause if the cable modem wasn't plugged in, then the boot 
continued almost immediately. Not trying to compare distros; it's just 
that having this happen with Fedora made me wonder if it was possible to 
set something up in debian. I don't always know when I am going to boot on 
a computer without the modem connected and it seems anyway that there 
could be a better solution than changing /etc/network/interfaces whenever 
i think I might be doing this.
Thanks.

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Re: OO Help missing

[Paul Scott]

Carl Fink wrote:
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:47:11PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:
 

Try aptitude.  (or synaptic if you prefer).  You will find it highly 
suggested on this list.
   

Addressed to me? 

Yep.
I've tried both, and I'll stick to apt-get.
 

No Problem.  It's just that aptitude would have shown the suggested 
packages with a single keystroke and it helps easily solve many 
dependency problems.

Have fun,
Paul

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Re: How does one get ssh to not wait?

[Joris]

Dan Jacobson verraste ons met de boodschap:

> How does one get ssh to not wait?
> 
> ssh somewhere < touch file
> sleep 333 && rm file&
> !
> echo I want control to arrive at this line without waiting 333!
> 
> I tried (...)&, disown, etc.
> Must I resort to batch(1)?

at(1) would do the job - hey, that's the same as batch - but I'd use
screen(1), with the '-d -m' option combo
greetz,

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Re: Save to Live CD

[dircha]

Keith O'Connell wrote:
Ian Melnick wrote:
I'd like to use a "live" cd and be able to save my stuff to it without
requiring a separate medium. What I'd like to happen is partition a
cd-rw so that the first part is from the iso that I'd download from
somewhere, and the second part would be a writable filesystem (udf?)
that I'd be able to mount as /home.
First of all, given the speed that these things write/read at, is this
idea realistic/possible?
I know you said "without requiring a separate medium", but wouldnt an 
easier solution be a USB keyring drive for /home, /etc and other 
volotile files rather than what you are suggesting. I know its not what 
your asking, but it does go a long way towards whay you are trying to 
achieve.

You speed issues with RW-CD would no longer be a problems as the CD can 
be RO from the start
I checked the CD-Recordable FAQ [1], as I didn't quite know about this 
either. But I'm still not entirely sure what the correct way to do this 
is, or the correct terminology.

You don't want to rewrite the entire disk every time; just your changes.
Since there are no other takers, I'll tell you what I got out of it.
So first, I think you want to write the boot image as the first session, 
and then close that session.

The problem is that when you mount the disk, as I understand it, you 
will only get the last session written.

The FAQ describes later sessions linking to files in previous sessions:
"Most of the popular CD creation programs allow you to "link" one or 
more earlier sessions to the session currently being burned. This allows 
the files from the previous sessions to appear in the last session 
without taking up any additional space on the CD (except for the 
directory entry). You can also "remove" or "replace" files, by putting a 
newer version into the last session, and not including a link to the 
older version [2]."

So what you need to do, I gather, is include the files for /home in a 
later session. And then always "link" the files from the first session as /.

When it's time to save changes, then use the cdrecord "blank=session" 
option to blank the previous session, and rewrite it including the 
links, and including the newer files.

Can anyone tell us whether we are on the right track here?
[1] http://www.cdrfaq.org/
[2] http://www.cdrfaq.org/faq02.html#S2-5
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X displays but console doesn't: vga=?

[Michael West]

I cannot get to a console, but X works fine.  If my runlevel is set to
start graphically my monitor flashes "Invalid Scan Freq" three times and
then works fine.  If I start in single user mode it flashes "Invalid
Scan Freq" forever.  when I pass vga=ask to the kernel and select 80x25
the result is the same.  When I choose "scan" it never comes back.  

I have been using the same monitor and video card for 3 years, but this
just started last week when I put the card into a different box.  The
old motherboard is fried so there is no going back.

What is the next step in diagnosing? 


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Re: OO Help missing

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 01:47:11PM -0700, Paul Scott wrote:

> Try aptitude.  (or synaptic if you prefer).  You will find it highly 
> suggested on this list.

Addressed to me?  I've tried both, and I'll stick to apt-get.
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Re: gnu assembler

[Lorenzo Prince]

Thus spake Rob Benton:
# Is there a package somewhere with gas in it?  The binutils-doc has info 
# pages for it but I don't see it in the binutils package.  Is it out 
# there somewhere in a package?

It is part of binutils.  The filename is /usr/bin/as, but it definitely is the
GNU assembler used by gcc.

HTH,
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Re: OO Help missing

[Paul Scott]

Carl Fink wrote:
On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:29:42PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
 

<>On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Carl Fink wrote:

:You have to install the help package separately.
That seems a little counter-intuitive until I remember that help is
locale-specific.
   

If you (like me) install with "apt-get install", you tend to miss the
suggested packages.  Which is to say, I did the same thing.
 

Try aptitude.  (or synaptic if you prefer).  You will find it highly 
suggested on this list.

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Re: OO Help missing

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:29:42PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Carl Fink wrote:

> :You have to install the help package separately.
> 
> That seems a little counter-intuitive until I remember that help is
> locale-specific.

If you (like me) install with "apt-get install", you tend to miss the
suggested packages.  Which is to say, I did the same thing.

Personally, were I an OOo maintainer for Debian, I'd have a default
help file that just says in twenty languages "You must install a
specific help file for your locale, namely one of this list " 

This would be overwritten when you installed an actual help file.

In fact, I believe I'll suggest this to the maintainers.
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Re: OO Help missing

[Patrick Wiseman]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004, Carl Fink wrote:

:On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:50:08PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
:> When I invoke help in Open Office, I get "The requested document does not
:> exist in the database !!"
:
:It's usually a good idea to specify which version of Debian you're
:running.

Apologies - you're right - I'm on a 'testing' system for the most part,
with OO 1.1.1.

:> Googling suggests it's a locale problem, but 'locale' returns this:
:
:Googling is wrong.

Say it isn't so!

:You have to install the help package separately.

That seems a little counter-intuitive until I remember that help is
locale-specific.

Thanks - it worked.

Patrick


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Re: OO Help missing

[Paul Scott]

Patrick Wiseman wrote:
When I invoke help in Open Office, I get "The requested document does not
exist in the database !!"
Googling suggests it's a locale problem, but 'locale' returns this:
 

Did you install openoffice.org-help-en or whatever language you wanted?
Paul Scott
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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Joachim Reichel]

Hi,
catalogue = /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID,
/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
This does not look like an entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config.
No, it is from xfs-xtt's config file. Anyway, I have the same order of 
directories in XF86Config, after 'FontPath "unix/:7110"'.

Joachim
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Re: OO Help missing

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:50:08PM -0400, Patrick Wiseman wrote:
> When I invoke help in Open Office, I get "The requested document does not
> exist in the database !!"

It's usually a good idea to specify which version of Debian you're
running.

> Googling suggests it's a locale problem, but 'locale' returns this:

Googling is wrong.  You have to install the help package separately. 
Since you use US English you presumably want openoffice.org-help-en.
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Re: ccing

[Paul Scott]

s. keeling wrote:
Incoming from Steve Lamb:
 

s. keeling wrote:
   

Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm.  mutt knows about and
 

   Why is the most common answer to this deficiency in mutt to use another
program when we have addressed it by using another program?  :)
   

Uhhh?!?  This is the Unix Way!  Mutt handles mail.
Other things do other stuff.  You want better refinement over mutt's
way of monitoring mailboxes?  Add something else into the mix.
Or go with some 58 Mb monster that purports to be able to do
everything.  Choose your poison.
 

A bit of exaggeration?  I don't read my mail with OpenOffice which is 
about that size.  Thunderbird is an order of magnitude smaller at under 
8 Mb.  Mutt and exim together are just under 1.5 Mb.

Have fun,
Paul

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Keyboard Shortcut (CTRL + SHIFT + C) in Mozilla under Gnome / Metacity

[Paul Galbraith]

This keyboard shortcut doesn't work for me in Mozilla.  I'm assuming 
it's more to do with my Gnome or X or metacity configuration than 
Mozilla, but I don't really know where to start looking.  Can anyone 
point me in the right direction?

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OO Help missing

[Patrick Wiseman]

When I invoke help in Open Office, I get "The requested document does not
exist in the database !!"

Googling suggests it's a locale problem, but 'locale' returns this:

LANG=en_US
LC_CTYPE="en_US"
LC_NUMERIC="en_US"
LC_TIME="en_US"
LC_COLLATE="en_US"
LC_MONETARY="en_US"
LC_MESSAGES="en_US"
LC_PAPER="en_US"
LC_NAME="en_US"
LC_ADDRESS="en_US"
LC_TELEPHONE="en_US"
LC_MEASUREMENT="en_US"
LC_IDENTIFICATION="en_US"
LC_ALL=

which looks right to me.  Is there another explanation for the missing
help?

Thanks,

Patrick


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Re: Save to Live CD

[Keith O'Connell]

Ian Melnick wrote:
I'd like to use a "live" cd and be able to save my stuff to it without
requiring a separate medium. What I'd like to happen is partition a
cd-rw so that the first part is from the iso that I'd download from
somewhere, and the second part would be a writable filesystem (udf?)
that I'd be able to mount as /home.
First of all, given the speed that these things write/read at, is this
idea realistic/possible?
I know you said "without requiring a separate medium", but wouldnt an 
easier solution be a USB keyring drive for /home, /etc and other 
volotile files rather than what you are suggesting. I know its not what 
your asking, but it does go a long way towards whay you are trying to 
achieve.

You speed issues with RW-CD would no longer be a problems as the CD can 
be RO from the start

Keith.
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How does one get ssh to not wait?

[Dan Jacobson]

How does one get ssh to not wait?

ssh somewhere <

Save to Live CD

[Ian Melnick]

Hello all,

I'd like to use a "live" cd and be able to save my stuff to it without
requiring a separate medium. What I'd like to happen is partition a
cd-rw so that the first part is from the iso that I'd download from
somewhere, and the second part would be a writable filesystem (udf?)
that I'd be able to mount as /home.

First of all, given the speed that these things write/read at, is this
idea realistic/possible?

Second, if it is, how would I go about doing it?

Thanks much!


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Re: ccing

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Steve Lamb:
> s. keeling wrote:
> > Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm.  mutt knows about and
> 
> Why is the most common answer to this deficiency in mutt to use another
> program when we have addressed it by using another program?  :)

Uhhh?!?  This is the Unix Way!  Mutt handles mail.
Other things do other stuff.  You want better refinement over mutt's
way of monitoring mailboxes?  Add something else into the mix.

Or go with some 58 Mb monster that purports to be able to do
everything.  Choose your poison.


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Re: OT: How easy is it to break GnuPG if you have the Private Key?

[Adam Funk]

On Sunday 13 June 2004 15:30, William Ballard wrote:

> Assuming I have a good sized key with a really, really good
> passphrase, how easy will it be to crack GnuPG encryption if the
> cracker has access to the Private Key?

My understanding is that the private keyring file contains the result of
encrypting your private key with a hash of the passphrase, so cracking
the private key is basically a question of cracking the passphrase. 
How good is your passphrase?

You might want to ask this question in the comp.security.pgp.discuss
newsgroup.


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Re: Xfce4 dies instead of prompting when I click the logout button on the panel.

[Adam Funk]

On Friday 11 June 2004 20:50, Hamilton Coutinho wrote:

> Same thing here. Did you also notice that the icons appear clipped on
> the panel now? 

No, my panel looks the same.

> I'm not sure but I bet on the GTK upgrade from a week 
> ago.

Could be.  Is there a bug report?


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Re: Howto Solve My Boot-Up Problems

[Carl Fink]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 10:22:37AM -0400, Ed Sutherland wrote:

> When I rebooted, the Apple OpenFirmware screen came up after the second stage
> of Yaboot and said something about an error, whereupon the OF screen scrolled
> ">ok" and locked-up keyboard input. The only option I had was using Yaboot to
> boot into Mac OSX.

You might ask on debian-PPC, where the percentage of Mac users is
likely higher.
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Re: [SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[Christoph Hellwig]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 03:36:48PM +, Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton wrote:
> * debian kernels need to be available compiled with se/linux security
>   enabled (and boot-time optional) by default.  this results in a
>   2% performance hit (wow big deal) when se/linux is not enabled
>   at boot time.  Gentoo, SuSE and Fedora all accept this 2%.

It's actually disabled again (compiled in but disabled) in SuSE because
the performance hit was much much worse.  And I remember benchmark
numbers where the lsm hooks alone decreased the SpecWeb numbers on ia64
by more than 10%.  I'd vote strongy against enabling LSM in the Debian
kernel images.


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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Kai Grossjohann]

Joachim Reichel <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> I don't know how to change the menu font directly (at least I don't
>> remember) but IIRC a workaround is to change the order of the fonts
>> paths in XF86Config since they are search in order until an appropriate
>> font is found.
>> You should make sure TrueType fonts are on top if they are available
>> and Type1 fonts are last as they don't render to well to screen.
>
> That is already the case, here is my search order:
>
> catalogue = /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID,
>  /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/:unscaled,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/,
>  /usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/

This does not look like an entry in /etc/X11/XF86Config.

Kai



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Re: MicroWhat Winwhat???

[Greg Folkert]

On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 00:26, Silvan wrote:
> On Saturday 12 June 2004 06:51 pm, Cecil wrote:
> 
> > up. Why does debian get this weird rap where folks treat users of that
> > didtro like they are a cult? I've read some almost offensive material on
> 
> Try it for awhile and you'll see why.  We really *are* a cult.  ;)
> 
> apt-get  ap-get
> 
> > those lines... Is it just me? Or does everyone love their lin boxes this
> > much?
> 
> How do I love Debian, let me count the ways...
> 
The terms:

Dweebian
Snobbian
Dorkian

Have seen some usage. "Debian Kool-Aid Drinkers Anonymous"(DKADA) does
have a significant number of Debian Users/Admins/Developers as members.

It is a nice group.
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Re: System Reinstall Setup

[David]

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 09:56:12PM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 02:53:24PM -0500, David wrote:
 
> I think a whole system backup is asking for trouble if there are
> glitches in the SW which lead to catastrophe.  Probably not very
> likely, but... 

Although a distinct possibility, it isn't too likely.  I'd rather expect
hardware failure more often.

With what I have in mind, though, you'd have periodic snapshots.  If the
latest snapshot were troublesome, you could step backward until you got
a good one.

> Additionally, a whole system backup is pretty heavy, period.  Why not
> hit the important directories, then install fresh and overwrite the
> conf files, etc?  

In a large system, yes, it would be rather heavy. However, in my case,
it only entailed two CD's.  In between the full backups - I'm thinking
that semi-annual full backups would be adequate in my case, and then
monthly incrementals.

A fresh install would, indeed, be most desirable.  However, in my case,
I'm on dialup, and downloading what I now have would take an incredibly
long time.  I have thought, though, that perhaps it might be good to
simply keep a backup of my /var/cache/apt/archives and then do the most
minimal install possible, restore this directory and then proceed from
there.  right now, this directory is about 400 Meg, which, in my case,
would represent some 40 hours to download.

> I've been playing with this myself, having tried backup2l with partial
> success (backed up well, but didn't restore properly).  In further
> reading, the Linux-Complete-Backup-and-Recovery-HOWTO gives apparently
> good stuff for getting all the info about your drives/etc for
> catastrophic failures, which could be coupled to the dump package to
> give you all the info and archives needed to get it all back.
> 
> I believe the dump package contains what you want for achieving a full
> backup if that remains your goal.

I don't have much trouble doing the backups if what I have envisioned is
feasible.  It did take me a while getting the script workable, partly
due to a goof I made in the scripting, but I now have tarfiles (gzipped,
so I'll need gzip and tar on my recovery disk).

> I haven't done much searching for
> other simple scripts which do the same on a smaller scale, but expect
> that a search of Karsten Self's site will do the trick.  :-)
> 
> > In the event of a total HD loss, boot some linux rescue system, create
> > fresh, clean partitions, extract the full backup and then extract the
> > incrementals in order.
> 
> Again, you may find the info in the above HOWTO to be useful in this
> regard.

I've studied that HOWTO briefly.  He has a good strategy, but from what
I envisioned, he is trying to make it totally automatic - possibly a
system that several administrators could use.  Basically here's my setup

FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/hdb2 282M  103M  164M  39% /
/dev/hdb1  16M  5.0M  9.5M  35% /boot
/dev/hdb5 3.7G  629M  2.9G  18% /var
/dev/hdb6 4.6G  2.0G  2.5G  45% /usr
/dev/hdb7 6.8G  2.0G  4.5G  31% /home

Simplifying, it's a matter of for i in filesystem, cd $filesystem tar -cf
... "." ;  (a little more than that, of course)

To restore, mount some linux system, build the partitions, mount them,
cd into that partition and tar -x ... using the latest full backup.  Do
the same with any incremental backups in order and you have your system
back just as it was.  Of course, as you said at the begin of your post,
if the system itself caused the crash, you would not be in good shape.


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Re: System Reinstall Setup

[Matthias Czapla]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 09:31:07AM -0500, David wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 11:21:46PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
> > On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 02:53:24PM -0500, David wrote:
> > > Actually, I'm not so concerned about making the backups as just having
> > > something that I can boot up and then remove the CD.
> > 
> > My backup strategy is similar to yours. I regularly create tars of
> > my file systems and put them on CD-RW. I dont have something to boot
> > the system yet, in case this should be necessary some day, but this
> > shouldnt be much of a problem. The Debian installation floppies
> > should suffice for this. If not there are lots of rescue floppy
> 
> That's what I'd like to get away from, however, is the dependency upon
> floppies.  They seem so unreliable nowadays.

You could easily make a bootable CD out of such a rescue floppy image.

Regards
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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Joachim Reichel]

Hi,
the menu font in my xemacs is really ugly (I've uploaded a screenshot to 
http://www.joachim-reichel.de/tmp/xemacs.png). I know how to set the fonts 
for the editor window, but not for the menu.

I do not notice font problems in other applications (KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, 
...). But xfontsel shows the same ugly font as default. I don't care about 
xfontsel, but it seems that the problem is not xemacs-related.

X packages: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfs-xtt:1.4.1.xf430-5
I don't know how to change the menu font directly (at least I don't
remember) but IIRC a workaround is to change the order of the fonts
paths in XF86Config since they are search in order until an appropriate
font is found.
You should make sure TrueType fonts are on top if they are available
and Type1 fonts are last as they don't render to well to screen.
That is already the case, here is my search order:
catalogue = /var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/CID,
/var/lib/defoma/x-ttcidfont-conf.d/dirs/TrueType,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/TrueType/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/:unscaled,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/misc/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/cyrillic/,
/usr/lib/X11/fonts/Type1/
Changing the order does not seem to help (at least it doesn't improve 
things). On a different machine with almost identical setup, the fonts are 
fine (same search order).

The following packages with 'font' in their name are installed:
fontconfig   2.2.2-1
fonty1.0-15
freefont 0.10-11
gsfonts  6.0-2
gsfonts-x11  0.16
libfontconfig1   2.2.2-1
libfontconfig1-dev   2.2.2-1
msttcorefonts1.0.2
psfontmgr0.11.0
x-ttcidfont-conf 13
xfonts-100dpi4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-100dpi-transcoded 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-75dpi 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-75dpi-transcoded  4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-base  4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-base-transcoded   4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-cyrillic  4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfonts-scalable  4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
Regards,
  Joachim
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Re: ccing

[Steve Lamb]

s. keeling wrote:
> Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm.  mutt knows about and
> watches a list of mailboxes.  GKrellm knows about and watches a subset
> of that list.  Between the two, you get notification of important mail
> arriving ("Read me!"), and information about potentially interesting
> mail having arrived recently ("You've Got Mail.").

Why is the most common answer to this deficiency in mutt to use another
program when we have addressed it by using another program?  :)

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Re: ccing

[Steve Lamb]

Matthias Czapla wrote:
> I know. But the canonical way to use a GUI and why they were invented
> is point-and-click. If you use a GUI like a console program, whats the
> purpose of having a GUI in the first place?

Uhm, like I said, having the gui there doesn't make it keyboard neuter.
We don't get a nice little graphical keyboard to point and click to type with.
 Larger resolution, a more efficient way to represent data in some cases all
are part and parcel of a GUI and don't require the mouse to use it.

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Re: Gnome 2.6 and MAC OSX-like panel

[Chris Metzler]

On Sun, 13 Jun 2004 05:45:36 -0700 (PDT)
Phillipus Gunawan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> hi there,
> 
> reading your mailling list, i am interesting to give
> it a try. Unfortunetly, after apt-get install finished
> and I run the gdesklets, nothing happen.
> 
> During the starting GANOME desktop, I can see that
> gdesklets is running (the splash screen shows what are
> packages runing)
> 
> How to activate it? did I missing something? I can not
> show what happen because I didn't see anything, it
> just like it was never run.

Did you even try "man gdesklets"?

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[SE/Linux] status / progress report 13jun2004

[Luke Kenneth Casson Leighton]

This is a status / progress report for Debian / SE/Linux integration.
I look forward to the day when it need no longer be maintained,
which will be when all of the outstanding issues have been addressed.

The constant work-in-progress version of this report will always be
available from:

http://hands.com/~lkcl/selinux


The major outstanding issues are:

* debian kernels need to be available compiled with se/linux security
  enabled (and boot-time optional) by default.  this results in a
  2% performance hit (wow big deal) when se/linux is not enabled
  at boot time.  Gentoo, SuSE and Fedora all accept this 2%.

* sarge freeze is holding back libselinux1 from being made "Required"
  which is holding pretty much evveerrything up, but there is a
  temporary idea (do a package se-) as a workaround.

* a decision needs to be made on dpkg either to accept the postinst.d
  idea or come up with a workable alternative.  decision appears to
  be held up because people "don't like the idea of selinux" rather
  than for any genuine technical reason.

  "alternative" patched dpkg package that provide the postinst.d
  functionality will be made available "ad infinitum" until a
  decision is made.

  ... how about an se-dpkg?  maybe the se_apt-get, se_dpkg,
  se_dpkg-reconfigure scripts could be moved into it, at the
  same time?

* the idea of using a pam_selinux.so for everything has been disrupted
  slightly for certain packages such as kdm, openssh, because the
  ordering of opening ttys and calling the pam session stuff tends
  to be moved about by upstream developers - without consideration
  as to the impact it will have.  pre-pam_selinux patches (esp. for
  openssh) have been "dusted off".

* pam seems to have "lost the plot" a bit and serious consideration
  is being given to doing a fork for BOTH redhat AND debian.

  [the debian pam maintainer has a staggering FIFTY upstream
   patches in debian/patches/ for 0.77.  he's prepared to accept
   ANOTHER patch to add to the list, for selinux, but only
   against latest cvs - 0.78 or above.  redhat also have to
   maintain their own patches - against 0.76 - which includes
   bug fixes that aren't in the "alternative" debian packages
   yet, and it's all just going pear-shaped]



packaging:

* "alternative" unstable packages (which had had to be patched,
  see individual status reports below) for:

coreutils, cron, dpkg, init, kern, logrotate and pam 

 are all available from http://selinux.lemuria.org/newselinux
 (or from the original http://www.coker.com.au/newselinux)

* "standard", or "default" packages for unstable (sid)

selinux-policy-default, selinux-utils, libselinux1,
checkpolicy, policycoreutils and selinux-doc

  are available from the debian mirrors - current versioning
  is 1.12-2 to 1.12-3 of these packages.

NSA/SELinux kernel 2.6:

http://www.nsa.gov/selinux/code/download5.cfm
http://sf.net/projects/selinux/ (see cvs).

status: most of the selinux enhancements are available
upstream in 2.6, however the very latest patches
are only available from the above sites.

debian:

http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2004/05/msg01738.html

status: presently, base packages are frozen and no modifications
or additional packages are allowed (to base).  this
affects libselinux1 status from being changed, and therefore
pretty much everything else from thereon down.

temporary measure idea for maintainers is to produce
"se-pkgname" which will later on be an empty package
depending on "pkgname".

debian kernel 2.6 images:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=249510
http://open.hands.com/~lkcl/selinux

status: raised only 12 days ago.  requested that se/linux
security config options be enabled in stock
Debian kernels but require selinux=1 and enforcing=1
to switch it on.

coreutils:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=193328

status: 1 year old, requested information, information now
provided, upstream and maintainer prodded for
acknowledgement.  [30may2004] mike stone responded 
by saying that it's unlikely that action will be taken
until after sarge is released.

logrotate:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=224880

status: russell alerted maintainer that upstream inclusion
is done (157 days ago) but debian package 3.7-1
disables it by default due to libselinux1 not being
"base/required" or "important".  chan

Re: ccing

[s. keeling]

Incoming from Steve Lamb:
> 
> Mutt's "new mail here!" feature doesn't provide any granularity betwee[n]
> ignore it completely (not in the list of folders to watch), give it the same
> weight as every other watched folder or "check the folder list manually".

Try using it in combination with (eg.) GKrellm.  mutt knows about and
watches a list of mailboxes.  GKrellm knows about and watches a subset
of that list.  Between the two, you get notification of important mail
arriving ("Read me!"), and information about potentially interesting
mail having arrived recently ("You've Got Mail.").


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Re: Ugly (xemacs) font

[Micha Feigin]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 04:00:10PM +0200, Joachim Reichel wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> the menu font in my xemacs is really ugly (I've uploaded a screenshot to 
> http://www.joachim-reichel.de/tmp/xemacs.png). I know how to set the fonts 
> for the editor window, but not for the menu.
> 
> I do not notice font problems in other applications (KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, 
> ...). But xfontsel shows the same ugly font as default. I don't care about 
> xfontsel, but it seems that the problem is not xemacs-related.
> 
> X packages: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
> xfs-xtt:1.4.1.xf430-5
> 
> I don't know where to start searching. The problem persists for some time 
> now, so I don't know what change lead to it.
> Any ideas?
> 

I don't know how to change the menu font directly (at least I don't
remember) but IIRC a workaround is to change the order of the fonts
paths in XF86Config since they are search in order until an appropriate
font is found.

You should make sure TrueType fonts are on top if they are available
and Type1 fonts are last as they don't render to well to screen.

> Thanks in advance,
>   Joachim
> 
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Re: OT: How easy is it to break GnuPG if you have the Private Key?

[William Ballard]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 10:08:28AM -0500, Alex Malinovich wrote:
> other private key. Then as soon as you've read it on your PocketPC,
> delete it and store a copy at home. Any time you encrypt something

The goal is to keep some semi-sensitive data (account #s with the power 
company, cable company, and such, and not-super-important online 
username/pin combos for various online services).  Not my bank pin or 
credit card #s, but semi-dangerous to an identity thief.

> itself, nothing will ever give you FULL protection.
> 
> The other option, is to use just about ANY type of removable
> storage. Can you use any sort of memory cards/sticks with the device?

The problem is only supports SD memory, so I can't use a USB keychain.  
I could buy a spare 32MB SD card for $15, but they aren't rugged like 
USB keychains, you have to keep them in Jewel Boxes.  I wonder if it 
would survive in my wallet.

They make Bluetooth USB keychains I think.  I could keep the private key 
encrypted by a second key which is stored on the PocketPC, and I guess 
securely delete the Private Key when I'm done with it.  Odds are I won't 
lose both the same person

I'd be comfortable with some kind of steganography for this only 
semi-dangerous data.  Oh well, I'll keep looking.

Thanks for a lengthy reply.


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Re: OT: How easy is it to break GnuPG if you have the Private Key?

[Alex Malinovich]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 07:23:49AM -0700, William Ballard wrote:
> Assuming I have a good sized key with a really, really good passphrase,
> how easy will it be to crack GnuPG encryption if the cracker has access 
> to the Private Key?
> 
> [Believe it or not, I have a port of GnuPG that runs as a command line 
> app on a PocketPC.  Right now I can't think of a convenient way to keep 
> the Private key off the device, it can't use a USB keychain.]

I don't really know how much easier it will be, but I do know that
it'll be much easier than NOT having your private key.

Two alternatives are to have a seperate key at home, and every time
you encrypt something TO your PocketPC key, also encrypt it to your
other private key. Then as soon as you've read it on your PocketPC,
delete it and store a copy at home. Any time you encrypt something
FROM your PocketPC, don't encrypt it to the local key. Only to the
receiving key and possibly your home key. That'll give you MORE
protection than just using everything normally, but much as with GnuPG
itself, nothing will ever give you FULL protection.

The other option, is to use just about ANY type of removable
storage. Can you use any sort of memory cards/sticks with the device?
Anything that will allow you to keep the key seperate from the device
is a good thing. If you have internet access on the device and you can
establish some sort of a good secure connection between the device and
a server (somehow I doubt the PocketPC supports VPN), then you can
just download the private key when you need it and delete it right
after that.

With all of the above said, keep in mind that encryption is not about
making your data impossible to read. It's about making it DIFFICULT
enough that no one will put in the required amount of time and
resources to break it. The opposite is also true whatever. If you make
it too difficult for YOURSELF to use the encryption, you'll stop using
it in which case it's the same as someone having cracked your private
key.

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Re: System Reinstall Setup

[David]

On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 11:21:46PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
> On Sat, Jun 12, 2004 at 02:53:24PM -0500, David wrote:
> > Actually, I'm not so concerned about making the backups as just having
> > something that I can boot up and then remove the CD.
> 
> My backup strategy is similar to yours. I regularly create tars of
> my file systems and put them on CD-RW. I dont have something to boot
> the system yet, in case this should be necessary some day, but this
> shouldnt be much of a problem. The Debian installation floppies
> should suffice for this. If not there are lots of rescue floppy

That's what I'd like to get away from, however, is the dependency upon
floppies.  They seem so unreliable nowadays.  Of course, I suppose that
one could download a fresh rescue floppy image, or have an image stored
on another system if available.


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Howto Solve My Boot-Up Problems

[Ed Sutherland]

How do I bypass Yaboot and boot my Debian distro? I tried to fix the Gnome
adjust-time bug (the one where it always says a tool to adjust time is not
present) by using the recommended Gnome-System-Tools.

When I rebooted, the Apple OpenFirmware screen came up after the second stage
of Yaboot and said something about an error, whereupon the OF screen scrolled
">ok" and locked-up keyboard input. The only option I had was using Yaboot to
boot into Mac OSX.

How do I boot back into Debian from this hosed startup situation without wiping
the Linux partition and starting over? Thanks.

Ed

OT: How easy is it to break GnuPG if you have the Private Key?

[William Ballard]

Assuming I have a good sized key with a really, really good passphrase,
how easy will it be to crack GnuPG encryption if the cracker has access 
to the Private Key?

[Believe it or not, I have a port of GnuPG that runs as a command line 
app on a PocketPC.  Right now I can't think of a convenient way to keep 
the Private key off the device, it can't use a USB keychain.]


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Re: ccing

[S.D.A.]

On Sun, Jun 13, 2004 at 02:43:40AM -0700 or thereabouts, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Paul Scott wrote:
> > I don't know how I would have found that "bug page"
> > starting from Mozilla.org as I had done.  What a maze!
> 
> Do what I did.  Google.  :)
> 
> > Thanks.  I've voted for them.
> 
> NP.  BTW, I mentioned it before but didn't give a link.  Take a gander at
> elmo here: .  It's been packaged already.
> Certainly not as feature rich as, say, mutt but it does have one very
> important feature mut lacks.  The folder display on the left.  :)

Say, that looks mighty interesting! Thanks for the URL.


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Re: local/controllable causes of packet loss?

[Silvan]

I'll hit three replies for the price of one here to save clogging the list 
with all my individual short comments.

> I had a problem like this some time ago, turned out to be a defective
> network card on the computer. Can you try with a different one?

That one I can scratch off for sure.  I have two NICs in the box, and have 
tried with both.  It matters not.

>One thing to check is the strength of the signal at your end
>point. The cable may be at fault, some crack somewhere. Who

It's not the signal.  I've *had* signal problems, and I know what they look 
like.  The modem craps out and goes into blinkie blinkie mode for a long time 
trying to make the best of a bad situation.  That isn't what's happening.  
Green lights all the way, which is why the provider is utterly convinced this 
is a user problem.

>Ask your neighbor if he's willing to trade cable modems for a few days. See
>if your situation improves and his worsens. If so, you have a flaky modem.

A pity that he's not.  :(  It was a good thought though.

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Ugly (xemacs) font

[Joachim Reichel]

Hi,
the menu font in my xemacs is really ugly (I've uploaded a screenshot to 
http://www.joachim-reichel.de/tmp/xemacs.png). I know how to set the fonts 
for the editor window, but not for the menu.

I do not notice font problems in other applications (KDE, Gnome, Mozilla, 
...). But xfontsel shows the same ugly font as default. I don't care about 
xfontsel, but it seems that the problem is not xemacs-related.

X packages: 4.3.0.dfsg.1-1
xfs-xtt:1.4.1.xf430-5
I don't know where to start searching. The problem persists for some time 
now, so I don't know what change lead to it.
Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
  Joachim
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Re: Gnome 2.6 and MAC OSX-like panel

[Shawn Hansen]

You need to actually run a gdesklet.  What is running on your system now
is basically just the engine to allow the gdesklet monitors to run.

Hope this helps you out.

Shawn Hansen

On Sun, 2004-06-13 at 07:45, Phillipus Gunawan wrote:
> hi there,
> 
> reading your mailling list, i am interesting to give
> it a try. Unfortunetly, after apt-get install finished
> and I run the gdesklets, nothing happen.
> 
> During the starting GANOME desktop, I can see that
> gdesklets is running (the splash screen shows what are
> packages runing)
> 
> How to activate it? did I missing something? I can not
> show what happen because I didn't see anything, it
> just like it was never run.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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> > On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 the mental interface of
> > Steven Yap told:
> > 
> > > On Sat, 2004-06-12 at 13:51, Elimar Riesebieter
> > wrote:
> > [...]
> > >
> > > Not with the standard Gnome panel. gdesklets does
> > have a panel which
> > > behaves that way. Give a spin.
> > 
> > The starterbar works like expected ;-)
> > 
> > Thanks a lot
> > 
> > Elimar
> > 
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Re: Cannot re-config xfree86

[Kent West]

jack kinnon wrote:
Hi folks,
 
The PC I am having is built from scratch. I buy the Intel 
865GBFmotherboard w a 2.6GHz HT CPU, a 256MB single module memory, the 
storage peripherals, a chassis w a 450W PSU and assemble them up. The 
BIOS is fr Intel, the original was rev P10 but I had upgraded it to 
P14 a couple of months back.
 
The on-board 865G chipset  supports AGP  which uses up to 64MB of the 
main memory for video RAM. Besides this there's also a 8x AGP slot. 
The BIOS video config is :
 
AGP Aperture Size 64MB
Primary Video Adapter AGP
Frame Buffer Size 16MB
 
I think the /dev/agpgart error and the DRI warning is because I don't 
have a card on the AGP slot and I have selected the device and DRI in 
the kernel config.
 
The 865 is new enough that X might have trouble with it. If you're 
running stable, you might consider upgrading to unstable or using 
Backports, etc, to get a newer version of X that might help with your 
issues. You might also just need to wait a year until support becomes 
better. Alternatively, you might try the "vesa" driver, and/or get a 
real (and better supported) AGP card and put it in the AGP slot.

A fairly good test to see if X supports this chipset well is to boot of 
a recent Knoppix CD and see how well the video performs. If it works 
well with Knoppix, you know all you have to do is further tweaking on 
your Debian setup. If it doesn't work well with Knoppix, that's a pretty 
good indication that the support for the 865 just isn't quite there yet.

My desired setting is 1024x768 res with 24-bit color. 64MB video ram 
should be able to support this, right?
 
Yes, easily.
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Re: 802.11g Wireless NIC for Desktop

[Andy Firman]

On Thu, Jun 10, 2004 at 12:21:52PM -0500, Doug MacFarlane wrote:
> 
> Team:
> 
> I'm converting to 802.11g at my new place.  What NIC do you recommend for
> my Debian Unstable (sid) desktop?  I'm looking for something that I can
> install, and load the drivers via modconf and be done . . . . 

I am using one of these for my Sid desktop:

http://broadband.motorola.com/consumers/products/we800g/default.asp

Works great and plugs into your existing NIC so you don't need
any special drivers.  I got mine on Amazon for $90.

Andy



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Re: Please advise me...

[Kent West]

Cecil wrote:
 On Saturday 12 June 2004 11:05 pm, Kent West wrote:
> Cecil wrote:
>
>> But how does OS X perform for the following things:
>>
>> Coding(various languages and sorts of apps)
>
> Not being a coder, I can't speak to this.
>
>> Can I run linux apps on it?
>
> Yes, no, sort of. Many Linux apps have OS/X versions; some apps run
> on the X11 server that can be installed on OS/X.
>
> Also, you can go the other way; install Debian on a Mac laptop,
> then install MOL (MacOnLinux) and run OS/X on top of Debian, but
> there'll be some limitations.
>
>> I will be mainly coding on this little thing, email, and the
>> usual things(research, research papers, etc) Does anyone code on
>> this?
>
> On what? OS/X? an iBook? a Dell laptop, as was mentioned in the
> post to which you replied?
>
>> Am I wasting my time thinking about using this as my code machine
>> for the next 4-5 years?
>
> Again, what do you mean by "this". I saw no reference to any
> particular machine in the post to which you replied, except your
> "only other alternative" of an iBook.
 I'm sorry. I mean I-book, when I refer to this. Sorry about the
 vagueness. In written communication, as well as oral, I should
 remember to be precise, as vagueness doesn't help.
You also might want to ask this question on the Debian-ppc list; there 
you'll find more Mac-literate Debian users.

If someone told me they were buying me a laptop and I should get the one 
I wanted, I'd most likely get a PowerBook; if for some reason that was 
ruled out, I'd probably go with an iBook. Although x86-based PCs can be 
had for less money, I'd still go with the Mac, if someone else were 
paying. If I had to pay for it myself, it would depend entirely on what 
I was going to do with it; I'd still lean towards the Mac.

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Re: local/controllable causes of packet loss?

[Carlos Sousa]

On Sat, 12 Jun 2004 23:45:30 -0400 Silvan wrote:
> I'm having annoying problems with my cable internet.  At least once a day, 
> ...
> In this state, if I take eth0 down and then attempt to take it back up, I 
> seldom manage to do so.
> ...

I had a problem like this some time ago, turned out to be a defective
network card on the computer. Can you try with a different one?

HTH

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i810 watchdog troubles (solved, but...)

[Hendrik Fuss]

Hello there,

I've just installed sarge (testing) on a new Fujitsu-Siemens R610 Dual
Xeon workstation, but it took me quite a while to find out why the
machine would power cycle every two minutes *only* when running under a
2.6 kernel (kernel-image 2.6.6-1-686-smp). No problems with a 2.4
kernel.

I finally discovered it was the i810 watchdog timer on the motherboard,
that I hadn't been aware of previously. When the watchdog module was
loaded it probably started the timer and since there was no program that
wrote to /dev/watchdog the system would hard reset a minute later. The
module probably doesn't exist in the 2.4 kernel.

Installing the watchdog package didn't help. In addition I had to edit
the config file /etc/watchdog.conf and uncomment the line
"watchdog-device". After that the system was stable.

I still think there's something wrong with the way the watchdog driver
and daemon work, though. Why does the timer get started even though
there's no watchdog daemon writing to the /dev/watchdog device? I'm not
even sure the i8xx_tco module started the timer, though on startup it
would print this message:

i8xx TCO timer: initialized (0x1060). heartbeat=30 sec (nowayout=0)

cheers,
Hendrik

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University of Ulster


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