Re: how to run a single X program?

[Silvan]

On Saturday 17 July 2004 01:23 pm, Shot wrote:

> I think there's a way of starting (startx-ing?) X with only one
> application, and after some googling I found "The Basic X Window

It doesn't look like anyone has mentioned this alternative.  If you want to go 
totally bare bones, you can use

xinit /path/to/binary

Maybe *too* minmalistic for a web browser, but I use this all the time when 
I'm primarly working at the command line and I need to run a single, simple  
graphical program for something.  No window manager.  It doesn't get any more 
bare than that.

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Re: Problems with mounting RAID5 array at boot

[Matt Perry]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004, Matt Perry wrote:

> Any ideas on how to fix this?

I found a fix.  Turns out that the raid2 script needed to be run before 
the checkfs script at startup, but they both were set to S30 in /etc/rcS.  
I renamed S30raid2 to S29raid2 so it would start before S30checkfs and 
everything is working fine.

This seems like a bug in the raid setup.  Maybe it should be set at a 
lower number than checkfs by default so it starts sooner.

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Re: xfree4.3.0 with cirrus GD5436 video card

[Kent West]

Chris Bannister wrote:
startx from console. I'm not running a session manager.
I get the the gray screen with the cursor in the middle then nothing. 
I have to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to get out.

That means that X is starting just fine; you just don't have any X 
clients running, particularly a window manager. "apt-get install icewm" 
will probably fix it, or you might have to edit/create ~/.xinitrc and 
add the line "icewm".

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Re: Software RAID 1 reiserfs fails to boot because of fsck

[Clement]

Ary you using stock kernel 2.6.6?  If so, compile a customised one with 
built-in reiserfs and raid support.

Jimmy Liang wrote:
Hi All,
I must be missing something here, but I just set up a software RAID 1 
on Sarge, using raidtools2. I was able to use /etc/init.d/raid2 script 
to start and stop the raid, and am able to mount the /dev/md0 drive.
The problem comes when i put the mount into fstab. If I use
"/dev/md0/backup reiserfsdefaults
0   2"
The boot would fail, and it complains that the partition needs to be 
fscked manually.
I'm thinking that the raid hasn't started, so thats why there's 
nothing to fsck, because if I use
"/dev/md0/backup reiserfsdefaults
0   0"
in fstab, it boots up fine.

Can anyone give me some hints as to how to get fsck working on this 
software raid 1?
Thanks.

-Jimmy
Regards,
Clement

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Re: help setting up sound

[Kent West]

Michael B. Levy wrote:
Folks,
I'm having trouble figuring out how to configure my
sound card (I'm running Sarge), due to the fact that I
can't quite understand the specs of my motherboard.
My computer's specs seem to indicate a sound module
twice:
• VIA KT600 + VT8237 Chipset
• Integrated C-Media CMI9739A 6-channel audio CODEC 

In any case, the machine doesn't seem to know even
what sound card I have.  KMix says "Unknown" when I
open it.  I installed the alsa packages, and I made
sure in the aumixrc file, the volumes weren't muted. 
Still, no sound.
 

I'd run "lspci" to see what the chipset is. If it says "unknown" I'd 
upgrade my kernel and/or pciutils and/or my entire system to sid, and 
try again. Once the system reports what type it is, you should be able 
to use modconf to add the appropriate driver (or use discover).

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Re: XML::Parser perl module is required ...

[Jacob S.]

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 17:42:30 +1200
Adam Bogacki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi, where do I go to download a 'Parser perl module' ?
> Any tips on process ?


Well, there's always cpan.org, but I assume you're looking for the
"Debian Way". 

'apt-cache search perl | grep xml' turned up quite a few matches on my
machine that looked like they were for parsing, as well as writing xml
using perl. (Not sure which version of Debian you're running. I'm using
Sarge.)

HTH,
Jacob


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Problems with mounting RAID5 array at boot

[Matt Perry]

Hi everyone.  I have a new debian system that I just installed and then
upgraded from Woody to testing.  Now that it's up and running I wanted to
mount a RAID5 array on four drives with some existing data.  This RAID
array was originally set up under RedHat.  I installed the raidtools2
package, copied over my raidtab file /etc and then rebooted.

Now when I boot I get the following error:

Checking all file systems...
fsck 1.35 (28-Feb-2004)
fsck.ext3: Invalid argument while trying to open /dev/md0
/dev/md0:
The superblock could not be read or does not describe a correct ext2
filesystems.  If the device is valid and it really contains an ext2
filesystem (and not swap or ufs or something else), then the superblock
is corrupt, and you might try running e2fsck with an alternate superblock:
e2fsck -b 8193 

fsck failed.  Please repair manually.


Now here I can type control-D to boot up normally or enter the root
password to boot into single user mode.  If I hit control-D then the
system will come up and mount my array as listed in /etc/fstab without
any problems.  It just seems that I can't get it to make it past the
filesystem check.

Any ideas on how to fix this?

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XML::Parser perl module is required ...

[Adam Bogacki]

Hi, where do I go to download a 'Parser perl module' ?
Any tips on process ?
Adam Bogacki,
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Tux:/home/adam/epiphany-extensions-0.8.2# ./configure
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking for gawk... no
checking for mawk... mawk
checking whether make sets $(MAKE)... yes
checking whether to enable maintainer-specific portions of Makefiles... no
checking for intltool >= 0.29... 0.30 found
checking for perl... /usr/bin/perl
configure: error: XML::Parser perl module is required for intltool
Tux:/home/adam/epiphany-extensions-0.8.2#

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Software RAID 1 reiserfs fails to boot because of fsck

[Jimmy Liang]

Hi All,
I must be missing something here, but I just set up a software RAID 1 on 
Sarge, using raidtools2. I was able to use /etc/init.d/raid2 script to 
start and stop the raid, and am able to mount the /dev/md0 drive.
The problem comes when i put the mount into fstab. If I use
"/dev/md0/backup reiserfsdefaults0   2"
The boot would fail, and it complains that the partition needs to be 
fscked manually.
I'm thinking that the raid hasn't started, so thats why there's nothing 
to fsck, because if I use
"/dev/md0/backup reiserfsdefaults0   0"
in fstab, it boots up fine.

Can anyone give me some hints as to how to get fsck working on this 
software raid 1?
Thanks.

-Jimmy

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tty1 vs tty2-6 and locales

[Chris Bannister]

Hi,

When I had the default locale set to en_US.UTF-8, tasksel came
up an ugly screen in tty2-6 but ok in tty1. I had to prefix man
commands with LANG=C so they would display correctly in all ttys.

The keyboard CAPS-LOCK key didn't recognise the e or c keys, I thought
I had a keyboard problem!

When I changed default locale to en_US, the problem shifted to tty1.
That is ttys 2-6 show all the right characters but tty1 didn't.
The keuboard fault disappeared (strange only the e and c keys not
responding to CAPS-LOCK was only symptom.)

I no longer have to prefix the man command with LANG=C in any tty, so
it seems I have the correct locale setting. BUT now tty1 doesn't show
some characters correctly like ö (should be an o with two dots on top,
if it looks like an A followed by a funny upside down P then check your
default locale setting :-)) and the thread lines in mutt are all
garbled.

/etc/console-tools/config says:

# CAVEATS:
#
# - When using the new framebuffer devices, the "global setting" for a font 
# only affects the current console (ie., at boot-time, the first one)
# - ACM setting involves 2 steps (maybe loading a user ACM, and activating
# it on a given charset slot - see charset(1) for details), the 1st of which
# affects the entire system, but the 2nd of which only affects the current
# VC (ie., at boot-time, the first one).  So that if you want to use the same 
# ACM on all VCs, you have to specify "APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc=user" for all
# relevant values of .
#
# Example:
#
#SCREEN_FONT=iso01.f16
#SCREEN_FONT_vc2=LatArCyrHeb-16
#
#APP_CHARSET_MAP=iso05
#APP_CHARSET_MAP_vc2=user

but the inverse seems to be the case.

That originally steered me in the wrong direction as I thought tty2-6
were not configured, oh well live and learn.

Has anyone else seen this prob, suggestions welcome.


Chris
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Re: LILO wierd ......

[cep welly]

Robert William Hutton wrote:
cep welly wrote:
wookie:~#lilo -v
Skipping /kernel2.4

Ok, so what's your lilo.conf look like for /kernel2.4?

Ooopss...sorry everyone. I forgot ( damn). I thought /kernel2.4 is 
symlink to /boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4
which I choosed when I was installing debian for the first time. 
Yesterday, I realized that it's refered to
/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.25-1-686 .
This happen when several weeks ago I used 2.6 kernel and my 2.4.25 as 
the LinuxOLD one. Then I decided
to go back to 2.4 kernel, and ( you know ) forgot to edit the symlink. 

So, last night I just edit /kernel2.4 as /boot/2.4.18-bf2.4 symlink, ran 
lilo and reboot. 
Thanks Robert, and and very sorry  :-[

cheers,
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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[John Summerfield]

Monique Y. Mudama wrote:
I have a Kodak CX4230 digital camera.  I use have been using the
EasyShare Doc to download and erase pictures from it for about 6
months.
   

Er, I kind of mistyped.  What I meant to say was, the picture format was
weird.  We could view and copy the files on the card; we just couldn't
read them.
I believe that not all Kodak cameras use this weird image format, or at
least that they probably have the option not to, but we didn't
investigate while my dad was visiting.
 

It's worth checking the Kodak website.It's probably a couple of years 
since I did; there used to be some Linux stuff there.

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Suppressing "Document Contains No Data" Errors

[Scarletdown]

Quite some time ago, I made a whole bunch of entries in my hosts file to 
effectively block ad servers and other undesirable stuff, using the 
instructions found here:

http://someonewhocares.org/hosts/
This has worked quite well, except I frequently get "Document Contains 
No Data" messages when one of the URLs in the hosts file comes up.  As 
an example, when I go to the eBay main page, I get that error like 8 or 
9 times in a row, due to these two entries in /etc/hosts...

127.0.0.1 altfarm.mediaplex.com
127.0.0.1 ebay.doubleclick.net
What would be an easy way to suppress these error messages?  I'm 
guessing that perhaps routing them to /dev/null might do it, but I can't 
remember if I should use | or > and whichever one gets used.  Or am I 
way off base here in thinking that this will suppress the errors?



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Re: Help: My 'e' and 'c' keys no longer work!

[Arne Goetje]

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> By the way, I didn't have setxkblayout on my system, but using dpkg
> -S to look for commands of similar name, I found setxkbmap.  This
> fixed my problem:
>
>$ setxkbmap us

good to know. I have the same problem here and "fixed" it by making a 
xmodmap, fixing the missing keys (although for me it was e and n) and 
loading it everytime at X startup via xsessions.

>
> BTW, I update my machine (Debian/testing) a couple of times a day, so
> I can pretty much pinpoint this problem starting this morning.
>
> Can you tell me which branch of Debian you're using and when the
> problem started for you?  Looking at my /usr/share/doc directory, it
> appears that both xlibs and xbase-clients DID get updated today.  So
> I'm fairly sure the problem was the result of some kind of
> misconfiguration that was pulled onto the machine via package update.

I use unstable and it started for me about one week ago. Also after 
upgrading my system.

Cheers
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Re: packages in GNU but not in Debian

[John Darrington]

I have an unofficial package for gnubik (for which I'm the upstream 
maintainer) at http://darrington.wattle.id.au/deb  .  It's a couple of 
versions behind right now.

I'm not a Debian developer and don't have the time to commit to being 
one.  However if some kind soul wants to import gnubik into the debian fold,
I'll gladly co-operate with him/her in keeping the upstream debian friendly.

J;
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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[Caveman]

I own a Olympus C 5050-zoom which is GREAT. It can take Compact Flash, SD and 
XD which is very useful. You can also have CF and SD or XD loaded at once, so 
2 cards in the one camera. 

This camera works very nicely on linux. You just mount it as a scsi device 
(mount /dev/sda /mnt/mountpoint) and it works.

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Re: xfree4.3.0 with cirrus GD5436 video card

[Chris Bannister]

On Wed, Jul 14, 2004 at 08:17:32AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Chris Bannister wrote:
> 
> >Hi,
> >
> >I'm having trouble getting X to work.
> > 
> >
> 
> In what way? Do you get the gray hatch screen, and then it dies? Or do 
> you get garbled colors? Or does the screen turn black and then return to 
> the command prompt? Or does X start, but the screen's the wrong size? Or 
> the mouse doesn't move?
> 
> Are you starting X via "startx" or some other manner?
> 
> Those I2C and MMIO errors seem suspicious, but I'm unfamiliar with what 
> they may mean.
> 
> -- 
> Kent

startx from console. I'm not running a session manager.
I get the the gray screen with the cursor in the middle then nothing. 
I have to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to get out. 
Funny thing is I have had it working before, but with ICE instead
of TWM. I will try and install ICE again and see if that works.

I will also try a 2.4.26 kernel and see what happens. 

According to what I've read on the net XFREE86 isn't recognising my
graphics card.

Thanks
Chris.
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Re: Mutt and accents

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 10:24:35AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> If you can get the same representation of the accented characters your 
> friend, and your headers are corrent then your friend should be able to 
> understand what you say without getting the giggles:-)

I don't understand what I'm supposed to change to get things to work.
You've told me to look at the received characters, but not how to change
what's being sent.

thanks,
emma

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Re: Installing a downloaded .deb ?

[Adam Bogacki]

Thanks Rick. I  solved it by downloading source but the link comes
in very useful as my knowledge of dpkg  so far has been very close to zero.
Adam Bogacki,
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http://annys.eines.info/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+dpkg
 

Hi, I'm familiar with
apt-get install blahblah.deb
but having downloaded 'blahblah.deb'
how do I now install ?
Adam Bogacki,
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Re: The making of the DVD "Sarge": Directed by Micheal Moore

[JohnOfArc]

On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 13:08:13 -0500, C. Tresenriter wrote:

> On Tue, 13 Jul 2004 19:45:48 -0400
> Greg Folkert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> 
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:greg]$ apt-cache show dvdrtools Package: dvdrtools
> ~*~*~*~*~*~*~snip*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
> 
> Unfortunately I'll be doing the burning under Mandrake 10.0 A search
> only turns up an RPM and it's for SUSE.
> 
> Thanks tho'!
>
IIRC, I used K3b, I was using LM 9.2.  My notes indicate I had to
also install dvd+rw-tools (it's part of the 10 distro- "urpmi
dvd+rw-tools" should work), although I had to build an rpm since I was
using 9.2. HTH.


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Re: Ximian Connector for Debian Sid

[Greg Folkert]

Well, I went through the effort of compiling it. (a response to this
message before). I use unstable... the connector is for a newer
version... but since I use it for a project I am involved with, it
works.

If you trust me,I have put it up for public availability. You will have
to "dpkg -i evolution-exchange_1.4.7.2-1_i386.deb"

http://www.gregfolkert.net/files/evolution-exchange_1.4.7.2-1_i386.deb

Please feel free to grab it. If I need to though I'll put a download
limit per IP on it... so don't delete it if you have multiple machines
to install it on.


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Re: More info on hostname, domain name, etc.

[Phil Thomson]

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Phil Thomson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Can anyone recommend a source (preferably online) of information about
hostnames, domain names and other things related to networks and network
configuration. I am having a heck of a time configuring the network on
my new Debian installation, and a lot of my difficulty is due to the
fact that I don't know if my computer has a particular hostname, whether
our network has a domain name, etc. I'm not even really sure what these
terms really mean, so anything that can teach me the basics of what
these things are would be very useful. Reply offlist unless you think
your reply would be edifying to the whole list.
You can safely leave the domain name blank and set the host name to what
you want it to be if we're talking about a home machine that isn't going
to be a server.  As far as the rest of it (like whether you need to set
things up static or use DHCP or PPP), you can probably get the
information you need from them.
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Thanks. I'm now starting to think the problem is actually with my ethernet 
card, a DLink DFE-530TX. Debian lists a driver for this device (rtl8139), 
but it says the device is busy when I try to insert the module during the 
install, and gives me the following message when I drop into a shell and 
do "insmod rtl8139":

Using /lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/rtl8139.o
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/rtl8139.o: unresolved symbol 
pci_drv_unregister
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/rtl8139.o: unresolved symbol
pci_drv_register
/lib/modules/2.2.20-idepci/net/rtl8139.o:
Hint: You are trying to load a module without a GPL compatible license and 
it has unresolved symbols. Contact the module supplier for assistance, 
only they can help you.

How do I contact the module supplier? Are there command-line arguments I 
should be doing here? Anyone with feedback here? Should I just get a new 
ethernet card? Can anyone recommend a certifiably Debian-compatible model?

P

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help setting up sound

[Michael B. Levy]

Folks,

I'm having trouble figuring out how to configure my
sound card (I'm running Sarge), due to the fact that I
can't quite understand the specs of my motherboard.

My computer's specs seem to indicate a sound module
twice:


• VIA KT600 + VT8237 Chipset
• Integrated C-Media CMI9739A 6-channel audio CODEC 

In any case, the machine doesn't seem to know even
what sound card I have.  KMix says "Unknown" when I
open it.  I installed the alsa packages, and I made
sure in the aumixrc file, the volumes weren't muted. 
Still, no sound.

Any clues/suggestions?

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Re: Mutt and accents

[John Summerfield]

Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
So all of this is fine and lovely...but something's going wrong when I
send out the email. My friend is getting Z with a ^ instead of accented
characters when he tries to read my mail. I can read his mail with no
problems though (i.e. my mail with my accents quoting his mail with his
accents works perfectly). As best I can figure out there may be a problem
with the fact that I'm sending:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
whereas my friend's email gets sent through as:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that the problem, or does the problem lie somewhere else?
 

I don't know how to do it, but those are not the problem. Those deal 
with transmission of the already-existing data across the Internet and 
there is no significant difference between them.


My accented characters look like this: è é á î ç (etc). That should be e`, e´,
a´, i^ c,. 
 

Yeah shure. Both look like garbage here:-)
Send yourself a cc (if you haven't done so already), and save one of 
yours and one of his to disk.

Check the Content-Type: header.
Use xxd to dump both out in hex and char::
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xxd Mutt\ and\ accents.eml | head
000: 5265 7475 726e 2d50 6174 683a 203c 626f  Return-Path: 
Instead of piping into head which I did to get just a snipped, use less 
so you can search. Note that you cannot search for long strings of 
recognisable text, and even short strings may break across lines.

Here is what you said:
0001130: 206c 696b 6520 7468 6973 3a20 c3a8 20c3   like this: .. .
0001140: a920 c3a1 20c3 ae20 c3a7 2028 6574 6329  . .. .. .. (etc)
0001150: 2e20 5468 6174 2073 686f 756c 6420 6265  . That should be
0001160: 2065 602c 2065 c2b4 2c0a 61c2 b42c 2069   e`, e..,.a.., i
0001170: 5e20 632c 2e20 0a0a 4927 6d20 6e6f 7420  ^ c,. ..I'm not
If you can get the same representation of the accented characters your 
friend, and your headers are corrent then your friend should be able to 
understand what you say without getting the giggles:-)



Some years ago, my eldest daughter typed her German assignments on a 
peecee running DOS and, probably, WordStar 2000 Professional, using a US 
keyboard. She got all those funny German characters using the ALT key 
and numeric keypad to type the decimal codes off a chart we had.

She got good marks:-))
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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[Monique Y. Mudama]

On 2004-07-17, Wayne Topa penned:
> Monique Y. Mudama([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
>> On 2004-07-07, Chris Metzler penned:
>> >
>> > I don't own a digital camera, unfortunately; so take any advice I
>> > may give with a block-o-salt.  But I've seen several people here
>> > who *do* own digital cameras suggest the purchase of a USB memory
>> > card reader.  The idea is that regardless of whether a particular
>> > camera is or is not compatible with the OS, its memory plopped into
>> > a reader will be.  This enables you to forget the "compatible with
>> > Linux" restriction, and make your purchase choice entirely on
>> > whether a camera will take good pictures.
>> 
>> Late, here, but ... my dad has a Kodak camera and whatever the format
>> was, we couldn't get it to read straight off the card on linux *or*
>> windows.  We even tried downloading their proprietary viewer app for
>> windows, but it kept misbehaving till we gave up.
>> 
>> I would say, as long as the camera saves straight to JPG, a usb
>> memory card reader is the way to go.  I would further say that if the
>> camera doesn't save straight to JPG or some other readily-useable
>> format, I wouldn't buy it.
>
> I have a Kodak CX4230 digital camera.  I use have been using the
> EasyShare Doc to download and erase pictures from it for about 6
> months.

Er, I kind of mistyped.  What I meant to say was, the picture format was
weird.  We could view and copy the files on the card; we just couldn't
read them.

I believe that not all Kodak cameras use this weird image format, or at
least that they probably have the option not to, but we didn't
investigate while my dad was visiting.

>
> There is a USB jack on the camera but I have yet to try that, but will
> tomorrow.  
>
> I am using Digikam or gtkam, gphoto2, and hotplug to connect to the
> camera in PTP mode.  Gphoto2 works with a 'large' list of cameras.  I
> also have a memory card but downloading from it in the camera.
>
> I picked this up for abt $80 and the EasyShare dock for another $50.
> Works like a champ.
>
> Wayne

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Re: Ximian Connector for Debian Sid

[Darryl Luff]

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 12:40, Andy Firman wrote:
On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 11:36:36AM -0400, Mark Roach wrote:
On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 10:35 -0400, Andy Firman wrote:
Running Sid on my laptop with Evolution 1.4.6-3 and I would
like to connect to an Exchange server.

There are some packages here:
http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/debian/sid/
Or should one install evo1.5 from experimental?
Will that screw things up for me in regards to library dependancies?
I am using evo1.5 from experimental. It doesn't include the ximian
connector. I installed evolution1.5-dev and pulled the cvs version of
ximian conector (1_5_9_2 branch) and was able to compile and install it
with a little fighting with makefiles but it seems pretty unstable. 

If you really want to get some work done stick with 1.4 and jdub's
packages.
Yes that is what I really want but I am missing something.
Sorry if I am missing something obvious.
This is in my sources.list
deb http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/debian/sid ./
deb-src http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/debian/sid ./
apt-cache search ximian-connector shows nothing.
The package is called evolution-exchange, and there seems to be only a 
powerpc deb there.

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Re: Mutt and accents

[John Summerfield]

Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
So all of this is fine and lovely...but something's going wrong when I
send out the email. My friend is getting Z with a ^ instead of accented
characters when he tries to read my mail. I can read his mail with no
problems though (i.e. my mail with my accents quoting his mail with his
accents works perfectly). As best I can figure out there may be a problem
with the fact that I'm sending:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
whereas my friend's email gets sent through as:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that the problem, or does the problem lie somewhere else?
 

I don't know how to do it, but those are not the problem. Those deal 
with transmission of the already-existing data across the Internet and 
there is no significant difference between them.


My accented characters look like this: è é á î ç (etc). That should be e`, e´,
a´, i^ c,. 
 

Yeah shure. Both look like garbage here:-)
Send yourself a cc (if you haven't done so already), and save one of 
yours and one of his to disk.

Check the Content-Type: header.
Use xxd to dump both out in hex and char::
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xxd Mutt\ and\ accents.eml | head
000: 5265 7475 726e 2d50 6174 683a 203c 626f  Return-Path: 
Instead of piping into head which I did to get just a snipped, use less 
so you can search. Note that you cannot search for long strings of 
recognisable text, and even short strings may break across lines.

Here is what you said:
0001130: 206c 696b 6520 7468 6973 3a20 c3a8 20c3   like this: .. .
0001140: a920 c3a1 20c3 ae20 c3a7 2028 6574 6329  . .. .. .. (etc)
0001150: 2e20 5468 6174 2073 686f 756c 6420 6265  . That should be
0001160: 2065 602c 2065 c2b4 2c0a 61c2 b42c 2069   e`, e..,.a.., i
0001170: 5e20 632c 2e20 0a0a 4927 6d20 6e6f 7420  ^ c,. ..I'm not
If you can get the same representation of the accented characters your 
friend, and your headers are corrent then your friend should be able to 
understand what you say without getting the giggles:-)



Some years ago, my eldest daughter typed her German assignments on a 
peecee running DOS and, probably, WordStar 2000 Professional, using a US 
keyboard. She got all those funny German characters using the ALT key 
and numeric keypad to type the decimal codes off a chart we had.

She got good marks:-))
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Re: Mutt and accents

[John Summerfield]

Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
So all of this is fine and lovely...but something's going wrong when I
send out the email. My friend is getting Z with a ^ instead of accented
characters when he tries to read my mail. I can read his mail with no
problems though (i.e. my mail with my accents quoting his mail with his
accents works perfectly). As best I can figure out there may be a problem
with the fact that I'm sending:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
whereas my friend's email gets sent through as:
	Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that the problem, or does the problem lie somewhere else?
 

I don't know how to do it, but those are not the problem. Those deal 
with transmission of the already-existing data across the Internet and 
there is no significant difference between them.


My accented characters look like this: è é á î ç (etc). That should be e`, e´,
a´, i^ c,. 
 

Yeah shure. Both look like garbage here:-)
Send yourself a cc (if you haven't done so already), and save one of 
yours and one of his to disk.

Check the Content-Type: header.
Use xxd to dump both out in hex and char::
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ xxd Mutt\ and\ accents.eml | head
000: 5265 7475 726e 2d50 6174 683a 203c 626f  Return-Path: 
Instead of piping into head which I did to get just a snipped, use less 
so you can search. Note that you cannot search for long strings of 
recognisable text, and even short strings may break across lines.

Here is what you said:
0001130: 206c 696b 6520 7468 6973 3a20 c3a8 20c3   like this: .. .
0001140: a920 c3a1 20c3 ae20 c3a7 2028 6574 6329  . .. .. .. (etc)
0001150: 2e20 5468 6174 2073 686f 756c 6420 6265  . That should be
0001160: 2065 602c 2065 c2b4 2c0a 61c2 b42c 2069   e`, e..,.a.., i
0001170: 5e20 632c 2e20 0a0a 4927 6d20 6e6f 7420  ^ c,. ..I'm not
If you can get the same representation of the accented characters your 
friend, and your headers are corrent then your friend should be able to 
understand what you say without getting the giggles:-)



Some years ago, my eldest daughter typed her German assignments on a 
peecee running DOS and, probably, WordStar 2000 Professional, using a US 
keyboard. She got all those funny German characters using the ALT key 
and numeric keypad to type the decimal codes off a chart we had.

She got good marks:-))
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Re: Asking about RSH on Linux?

[Darryl Luff]

Hai Nguyen wrote:
Dear [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
I have an alphaserver with 6 node in which I have installed Linux but I 
have a problem with "rsh" command. When I type:
#rsh node5
it tell me that the conection refused...
Mean while, "ping" command run ok
#ping node5 - run OK
#ping node2 - run OK
Hi there. You need to make sure portmap is running on the machine(s) (ps 
-ax| grep portmap). Then you may need to edit the /etc/hosts.allow file 
on the servers to allow portmap connections. It should contain these 
lines to only allow connections from 192.168.0.0 networks:

portmap : 192.168.0.0/255.255.0.0 : allow
portmap : ALL : deny
If security is a concern, you may want to look at using SSH instead.
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Re: [solved] jre segfaults

[Micha Feigin]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:16:55PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:03:36PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote:
> > I just noticed that j2re 1.3 and 1.4 segfault on me. I'm not sure if
> > its the recent upgrade to kernel 1.6 (don't think so since I had it
> > running with a 2.6 kernel on another machine) or something in debian.
> > 
> > Anyone else notice this also?
> > 
> 

Sorry to annoy everyone ;-) apparently this was a bug in kernel
2.6.8-rc1, install 2.6.8-rc1-bk6 and the problem was solved

> I just ran it trough strace, and it seems that its having problems with
> futex for jre 1.3.1, 1.4.2, 1.5
> 
> They all show something of the sort:
> 
> futex(0x813b588, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0
> gettimeofday({1090084152, 997718}, NULL) = 0
> gettimeofday({1090084152, 997822}, NULL) = 0
> gettimeofday({1090084152, 997899}, NULL) = 0
> gettimeofday({1090084152, 997979}, NULL) = 0
> clock_gettime(0, {1090084152, 998063000}) = 0
> futex(0x8482f60, FUTEX_WAIT, 155, {0, 99916000}) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call)
> 
> 1.3.1 and 1.4.2 just crush with a segfault, 1.5 hangs.
> 
> > Thanks
> 
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Re: X Applications as Root User

[John Summerfield]

Kenneth Jacker wrote:
Though I know it is discouraged, I have a single-user 'sarge' system
protected by 'iptables' on which I want to run X11 applications when
logged in as 'root'.  I can use 'sudo' (e.g., "% sudo xlogo"), but I'd
rather directly access the apps as 'root' (e.g., "# xlogo").
 

I've had no difficulty doing that without making any configuration 
changes at all. Right now Ihave root running X applications on one, 
two,three four - yes - four different boxes. One's running KDE, the 
others FVWM.

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Re: Help compiling mozilla-firefox

[Reid Priedhorsky]

On Fri, 16 Jul 2004 03:10:07 +0200, Reid Priedhorsky wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> I am trying to build mozilla-firefox 0.8-12 from testing. I'm following
> the directions at
> . On an
> unmodified source tree (fetched with "apt-get source mozilla-firefox"),
> the build fails with the following error:
> 
>   gcc -o host_nsinstall.o -c -DXP_UNIX -pipe MOZ_OPTIMIZE_LDFLAGS =
> -I../dist/include -I../dist/include 
> -I/usr/local/src/mozilla-firefox-0.8/dist/include/nspr  -I/usr/include 
> -I/usr/include -I/usr/include -I/usr/local/src/mozilla-firefox-0.8/dist/include/nspr 
>  nsinstall.c
>   gcc: cannot specify -o with -c or -S and multiple compilations
>   make[2]: *** [host_nsinstall.o] Error 1
>   make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mozilla-firefox-0.8/config'
>   make[1]: *** [default] Error 2
>   make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/mozilla-firefox-0.8'
>   make: *** [build-stamp] Error 2

To follow up myself, it turns out that Firefox does not build correctly if
/bin/sh is dash. The workaround is to either link /bin/sh to bash
temporarily, or re-bang some shell scripts to use /bin/bash.

The upstream source seems to compile fine if /bin/sh is dash (or, at
least, it gets past where the deb source blows up -- I didn't finish the
compile).

I should have stopped by the BTS before asking here. Here is the relevant
bug report:

  http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=256384

It appears that the question of why the build fails is still open. The
mozilla-firefox maintainer has invited patches to fix the bug.

Reid


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Re: gswitchit of X server problem?

[Victor Munoz]

On Thu, Jul 15, 2004 at 05:02:24PM +0900, Alfonso Muñoz-Pomer Fuentes wrote:
> Hi, I've just read your mail about gswitchit keyboard layouts regarding
> Spanish input. I've seen that you have also an address from Japan, so
> maybe you're trying to have both Japanese and Spanish keyboard layouts.
> My case is the same (Debian unstable, GNOME 2.6). Have you solved your
> problem yet?

Not yet, though I haven't tried again lately. My problem is specifically
with switching between English and Spanish. When I need Japanese input I use
the canna server, so I write romaji and I have no problem. But when I write
Spanish I need a different layout.

> However, GNOME 2.4 worked perfectly with the gkb applet. 

I had problems with that. In fact that's how it all started. I was a happy
user of gkb, until I noticed I could not switch virtual terminals when I
used it to change to Spanish layout (C-A-Fn) didn't work. There's a bug
filed about it:

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=233702

to which I contributed comments, but it's still open...

>So far, the best solution I've managed to
> get to is have two launchers in the panel with the following commands:
> 

 Thank you for your suggestions and comments in general. I will try them
when I have a little more time today. 

Regards,

Victor


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"Warning" failure in chroot . . .

[David A. Cobb]

REPLY INLINE
Mark Pictor wrote:
Well I guess I'm gonna reply to two people at once...
--- "David A. Cobb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

<>Not a very successful day!!!
Trying to go with the fact that TUN driver sees my
network controller.
Two occurrences of "Warning" Failure trying to run
<>Warning *doesn't* mean failure... and having to use
<><>--force is a bad sign. Are you sure you're doing it
<>the right way? (I can't recommend anything, not sure
<>what you are doing.)
<>
Which makes two of us.  Anyway, I'm just quoting what's in the message 
that pops up.  The whole thing is from the installer.  And it is a 
Failure because immediately DEBOOTSTRAP exits with Error Return-Code 1.  
I see I wasn't very clear: the DEBOOTSTRAP error is constant.  Twice it 
was preceded by the "Warning" Failure . . .  message.

chroot /target dpkg --force-depends \
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.0.2_i386.deb \
(same basepath)/base-passwd_3.4.1_i386.deb
   and several more where all I get is "debootstrap
exited with an 
error (return code 1)"

I was getting the debootstrap errors before, seeming
to be related to 
the way I mounted my partitions. 
   

???  Once you've got things set up, you should use
/etc/fstab - try 'nano /etc/fstab' as root, to edit
it.
for one-time mounts, use 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda1
/mnt/windows' where hda1 is a partition [1], and
/mnt/windows is an empty folder which you have
permissions for.  You must be root to use mount this
way. 
 

Ur, Yeah.  I'm doing the install from CD's.  I start out by Initializing 
and mounting partitions into which the new system is to be installed.  
In my first attempt, it seemed some bad selections on what to mount 
where led to problems -- at least the problems went away when I stopped 
trying to be so damn clever.  The only thing I'm doing that isn't a 
simple agreement with the script suggestions is mounting a 2Gb partition 
for /tmp, instead of leaving it in the rather undersized primary (/) 
partition.  Undersized is relative -- about 1Gb.  I have 12Gb for /var 
and 8Gb for /usr.

See comments above, and [1] below.
To make sure your kernel can use it, (-bf24 almost
certainly can) type 'cat /proc/filesystems' and read
the output... one of the lines should be vfat, which
is fat32/long file names.
 

A-Ha!  Yes, they mount fine.  As I say somewhere above, some early 
failures led me to the erroneous conclusion that  VFAT wasn't functional.

<>PLEASE don't tell me that the evil beast of Redmond has buried 
VFAT under a patent claim!!

They are trying!!!
 

Not surprised.  Microsoft delenda est!
It might be... if you have a spare hard disk laying
around, I would do an install on it, and work out the
kinks/practice...  If you haven't done much
personalization or got much data on the debian
partition, I would just erase it and try again.
 

Practice, that I'm getting.  It's good for my soul to learn to control 
my frustration.  Or something like that.
Sure, we all have a spare HD laying around.

[1] partitions - use something like cfdisk to find out
which number corresponds to which partition;
alternately just go through the numbers (hda1 thru
hda9) until you don't get an error that it isn't vfat,
then do 'ls /mnt/windows' and see if everything looks
right.
 

Actually easier than that: there's a menu choice in the installer for 
"VIEW PARTITION TABLE"  If I could get it into a text file I could post  
the results here.  I can probably do a df to get it, using the ash shell 
on the CD.

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"By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions a great sinner." -- The Way of a 
Pilgrim: R.French, Tr.
Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!

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X Applications as Root User

[Kenneth Jacker]

Though I know it is discouraged, I have a single-user 'sarge' system
protected by 'iptables' on which I want to run X11 applications when
logged in as 'root'.  I can use 'sudo' (e.g., "% sudo xlogo"), but I'd
rather directly access the apps as 'root' (e.g., "# xlogo").

Though I've searched, I have not found!

Which config file must I change?  I thought maybe
"/etc/X11/xserver/SecurityPolicy", but I'm not sure ...

Thanks,

-- 
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Computer Science Dept   www.cs.appstate.edu/~khj
Appalachian State Univ
Boone, NC  28608  USA


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Dependencies in Dir w/ Many .deb Files

[Kenneth Jacker]

I have a slow Internet connection at home.  :-(

I can't yet use apt-zip since my home 'ppp' link still doesn't work
(non-"8 bit clean" issues) thus prohibiting me from updating the apt
database via the net.  :-(


So, in order to temporarily keep my home system current, I am doing
the following:

  o  Updating my office system (both are running pretty much
 the same configuration of 'sarge')

  o Copying all the newly installed debs on the office machine from
/var/cache/apt/archive to removable media

  o  Bringing that media home and copying the deb files to my home hard drive

  o  Finally, I run "dpkg -i *.deb" on those newly transferred file


The problem with this approach is "*.deb" orders alphabetically
instead of by dependency.  I must iteratively run the above command
placing needed debs before the final "*.deb" argument.  That takes
time (and patience)!

QUESTION: is there some option to 'dpkg' or another command/script that
  will generate the file names in an order such that the
  dependencies are met?

Thanks for any ideas!

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cd record and woody

[john miller]

My old Debian system was unfortunately reduced to toast by a UPS 
failure.  I had been using cdrecord and the ide-scsi module happily.  
My new Debian - still Woody - system does not seem to have the ide-scsi 
module anywhere.  
uname
Linux cbw 2.2.20-idepci #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 i686 unknown
I had read that now for the newer kernels direct ide access is the 
preferred route.  When I tried a 2.4 kernel none of my nic ports 
worked, so I stopped experimenting.

I really like the stable distribution for this particular server.  Does 
anyone have any ideas how I might get back to writing cd's again?  I
am just asking about ISO images of files as a convenient back up.

Thanks,
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Re: More info on hostname, domain name, etc.

[Paul Johnson]

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> Can anyone recommend a source (preferably online) of information about
> hostnames, domain names and other things related to networks and network
> configuration. I am having a heck of a time configuring the network on
> my new Debian installation, and a lot of my difficulty is due to the
> fact that I don't know if my computer has a particular hostname, whether
> our network has a domain name, etc. I'm not even really sure what these
> terms really mean, so anything that can teach me the basics of what
> these things are would be very useful. Reply offlist unless you think
> your reply would be edifying to the whole list.

You can safely leave the domain name blank and set the host name to what
you want it to be if we're talking about a home machine that isn't going
to be a server.  As far as the rest of it (like whether you need to set
things up static or use DHCP or PPP), you can probably get the
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Mutt and accents

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

Hello!

I'm trying to learn how to write text in French so that I can send
properly accented emails to a friend of mine. Unfortunately we're having a
problem with the accents that I'm sending through. He's using KMail, and
I'm using Mutt (not that it should matter)...

I have the following set in .muttrc:
set allow_8bit
set charset="iso-8859-15"
set send_charset="us-ascii:iso-8859-1:iso-8859-15"

I am setting my keyboard layout with the following (I've left the comments
in just in case anyone else is interested in being able to switch
keyboards but never knew how before now).
/etc/X11/XF86Config-4

Section "InputDevice"
Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
Driver  "keyboard"
Option  "CoreKeyboard"
Option  "XkbRules"  "xfree86"
Option  "XkbModel"  "pc104"
Option  "XkbLayout" "us_intl"
# unfortunately us_intl cannot be combined with another 
# keyboard mapping. "fr" gives the french keyboard layout
# NOTE: this is NOT QWERTY!
# test settings with: xprop -root  |grep _XKB
# change the setting with:
#  sudo setxkbmap us_intl
#Option "XkbLayout" "us,fr"
#Option "XKbOptions" "grp:shift_toggle"
EndSection

So all of this is fine and lovely...but something's going wrong when I
send out the email. My friend is getting Z with a ^ instead of accented
characters when he tries to read my mail. I can read his mail with no
problems though (i.e. my mail with my accents quoting his mail with his
accents works perfectly). As best I can figure out there may be a problem
with the fact that I'm sending:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
whereas my friend's email gets sent through as:
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Is that the problem, or does the problem lie somewhere else?

My accented characters look like this: è é á î ç (etc). That should be e`, e´,
a´, i^ c,. 

I'm not even sure where to look for the solution. As best as I try to
understand character encodings it always manages to muddle my brain. :/

emma

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More info on hostname, domain name, etc.

[Phil Thomson]

Hi all,
Can anyone recommend a source (preferably online) of information about 
hostnames, domain names and other things related to networks and network 
configuration. I am having a heck of a time configuring the network on my 
new Debian installation, and a lot of my difficulty is due to the fact 
that I don't know if my computer has a particular hostname, whether our 
network has a domain name, etc. I'm not even really sure what these 
terms really mean, so anything that can teach me the basics of what these 
things are would be very useful. Reply offlist unless you think your reply 
would be edifying to the whole list.

TIA.
P
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Re: Help: My 'e' and 'c' keys no longer work!

[Peter Jay Salzman]

On Sun 18 Jul 04, 12:56 AM, René Seindal <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
> >Dear all,
> >
> >My "c" and "e" keys stopped working in xterms (rxvt, etc) on X.   They
> >work correctly on the console, so it's not a hw issue.  The only things
> >of note that happened recently are:
> 
> Well, you're not alone.  I've had the very same problem, but it went 
> away, and I didn't manage to figure out what went wrong.  I experimented 
>  with the keyboard layout preferences in gnome, and at some point it 
> went away.
> 
> You can fix it from an xterm with setxkblayout XX where the x'es should 
> be substituted with the layout you want.  In my case it is 'dk'.  Too 
> bad there's an 'e' in the command, but do an ls and paste an 'e' :-)
> 
> FWIW, it is not just you.

THANK YOU!!!

By the way, I didn't have setxkblayout on my system, but using dpkg -S
to look for commands of similar name, I found setxkbmap.  This fixed my
problem:

   $ setxkbmap us

BTW, I update my machine (Debian/testing) a couple of times a day, so I
can pretty much pinpoint this problem starting this morning.

Can you tell me which branch of Debian you're using and when the problem
started for you?  Looking at my /usr/share/doc directory, it appears
that both xlibs and xbase-clients DID get updated today.  So I'm fairly
sure the problem was the result of some kind of misconfiguration that
was pulled onto the machine via package update.

Again, thank you SO much.  You just took a HUGE load off my mind!

Pete

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Mysterious entries in daemon log, mail.log; should I worry?

[Ralph Katz]

While looking for something else, I stumbled over these log entries that 
I don't understand.  No other users were connected at the time, and no 
user has ever used these services. This box should not run the identd, 
imapd, or in.qpopper services!  I've removed them now just to be sure. 
How could these entries have been created?  I have never seen entries 
for these services in any log in /var/log.

zgrepping /var/log/* for these services found no other instances.
Could this have been a rogue web page javascript attack?  Can someone 
help me understand what may have happened?  Should I be concerned?  It 
does look like nothing actually completed successfully.

Linux spike 2.4.25-1-686 #3 Wed Apr 14 21:56:44 EST 2004 i686 GNU/Linux
~$ cat /etc/debian_version
testing/unstable
Thanks!
Ralph
/var/log/daemon.log
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike in.qpopper[3690]: warning: can't get client 
address: Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike imapd[3692]: warning: can't get client address: 
Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike imapd[3694]: warning: can't get client address: 
Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike identd[3693]: started
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike identd[3693]: s_getpeername(10): Transport 
endpoint is not connected
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike imapd[3692]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike in.qpopper[3690]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 14:47:35 spike imapd[3694]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3738]: warning: can't get client address: 
Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3738]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike in.qpopper[3741]: warning: can't get client 
address: Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike in.qpopper[3741]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3743]: warning: can't get client address: 
Connection reset by peer
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3743]: connect from unknown
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike identd[3742]: started
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike identd[3742]: s_getpeername(10): Transport 
endpoint is not connected
Jun 25 15:24:13 spike imapd[3754]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:13 spike imapd[3755]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:13 spike in.qpopper[3756]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 218762506 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1195725856 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1330664521 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1330664521 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length -2147483608 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1966086 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 786432 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1212501072 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 369295360 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: bad message (no request id)
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1811942144 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 23356774 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 806093313 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1414417744 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 50331659 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 1148019796 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 973078528 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike fam[3740]: fd 4 message length 16777469 bytes 
exceeds max of 4136.
Jun 25 15:24:18 spike imapd[3760]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3762]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3763]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3764]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3765]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3766]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:23 spike imapd[3767]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:28 spike imapd[3769]: connect from 127.0.0.1
Jun 25 15:24:28 spike imapd[3770]: connect from 127.0.0.1

/var/log/mail.log
Jun 25 14:47:36 spike in.qpopper[3690]: Unable to obtain socket and 
address of client: Transport endpoint is not connected (107) 
[pop_init.c:1062]
Jun 25 14:47:36 spike imapd[3692]: imaps SSL service init from UNKNOWN
Jun 25 14:47:36 spike imapd[3694]: imap service init from UNKNOWN
Jun 25 14:47:36 spike imapd[3692]: Command stream end of file, while 
reading line user=??? host=UNKNOWN
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3738]: imaps SSL service init from UNKNOWN
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike imapd[3743]: imap service init from UNKNOWN
Jun 25 15:24:11 spike in.qpopper[3741]: Unable to obtain socket and 
address of client: Transport endpoint is not con

Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p

[John Summerfield]

Yeah, thats what I did first and said it didn't work.  From all the 
imput I think the following is a clear way to express it:

/command/ 2>&1 | less
where:
- the "command" is the specific function or action to be performed
- "2>" is the instruction to direct (the errors?) to stderr
- "&1" is the instruction to duplicate these error messages to stdout
- "| less" is the instruction to output the result of the command to 
less.

Is this right?  Just out of curiosity what exactly is stderr and stdout?
geek-speek;-)
There are three files available to (most) Unix programs without them 
opening them:
stdin for reading stuff
stdout for writing regular reports
stderr for writing error reports.


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Re: apt-get dist-upgrade and /dev/input/mice

[John Summerfield]

*Brian Walker wrote:*
*
*
*-f, --fix-broken
This should fix it, but in my experience doesn't always
apt-get -f install
Your  could also try
apt-get -f install imhangul-
Note the minus sign at the end of the package name.
*
*
Many thanks for the advice - sadly, the apt-get -f option was one of
the first I tried. adding the "-" had the same result.
$locate imhangul found the /var/cache/apt archives of a i386.deb for
imhangul . but it seemed to remain unrecognized. Deleting all
references to imhangul in other directories (rm -R ...) and $locate
imhangul again showed these files as if they were present on the disk,
but cd into the repository and there isnothing there. dpkg, dselect,
aptitude - all find imhangul but fail to install it. dpkg stubbornly
tells me that the archive is not found, and I am unable to download it
from the repository  it almost makes me long for M$ simplicity,
but then I have a coffee and all seems better.
When I changed the apt.sources to unstable and tried to
update/upgrade, it all hung on imhangul  and I don't even need or
want the Korean language support .
Any more ideas? Something simple along the ideas of dpkg --configure
--pending? I like a simple life 
*
*
Have you tried removing **imhangul with dpkg?
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Re: When Will Postscript PPC FireFox Be Available?

[Wolfgang Pfeiffer]

Hi Ed

On Fri, 2004-07-16 at 17:20, Ed Sutherland wrote:
> Does anyone know when the correct Mozilla-Firefox be available for the 
> PPC? I have 9.0.1, but it still crashes when I choose Print Preview or 
> try to print. (I prefer the Linux version to the OSX, but need a working 
> printing function. BTW, it won't save HTML or text pages, either.)

 [ ... ]

No postscript printing here. But:

I'm on Debian/ppc, too. And I can print with Firefox 0.9.1 and a
*patched* version of xprt-xprintorg.
How to set all this up, the Debian way, in a few steps is described here
(second half of the page):



And saving HTML pages with Firefox 0.9.1 is possible here, too: Just
tested it some seconds ago ... but I don't know whether the latter is
related to my use of a patched xprt-xprintorg version 

HTH

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Re: Help: My 'e' and 'c' keys no longer work!

[René Seindal]

Peter Jay Salzman wrote:
Dear all,
My "c" and "e" keys stopped working in xterms (rxvt, etc) on X.   They
work correctly on the console, so it's not a hw issue.  The only things
of note that happened recently are:
Well, you're not alone.  I've had the very same problem, but it went 
away, and I didn't manage to figure out what went wrong.  I experimented 
 with the keyboard layout preferences in gnome, and at some point it 
went away.

You can fix it from an xterm with setxkblayout XX where the x'es should 
be substituted with the layout you want.  In my case it is 'dk'.  Too 
bad there's an 'e' in the command, but do an ls and paste an 'e' :-)

FWIW, it is not just you.
1. My system froze this morning.  Required a reboot and fsck.  No
   "bad" error messages, just the usual "zero dtime" stuff.
   I looked for xkb related files in all my lost+found directories, but
   didn't find anything.
2. I apt-get upgraded today.  Can't remember what got upgraded last, but
   I don't think it was X related.
I tried restarting X, then tried shutting the machine, wiggling the PS/2
connector and restarting.  No dice.
However, xfree86 IS receiving events for these keys.  The output of xev
for "e" is shown below (including the output for "r" to compare it with
it with a working key):
   KeyRelease event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0xc1,
   root 0x58, subw 0xc2, time 368034, (45,50), root:(49,408),
   state 0x0, keycode 26 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
   XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  ""
   KeyPress event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0xc1,
   root 0x58, subw 0xc2, time 368342, (45,50), root:(49,408),
   state 0x0, keycode 27 (keysym 0x72, r), same_screen YES,
   XLookupString gives 1 bytes:  "r"
so SOMETHING is happening.  I killed X and started it again as a
different user.  The "e" and "c" keys still didn't work.  So whatever
happened is global for all users.
I also tried reinstalling all packages that have a file named "xkb":
   apt-get install --reinstall xlibs xlibs-static-pic xbase-clients
   libx11-6 xlibs-static-dev
but still no dice.  The only keyboard type warning I get when running
startx is:
   The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
   > Error:No Symbols named "microsoft" in the include file
   > "pc/us"
   >   Exiting
   >   Abandoning symbols file "default"
   Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server
The keyboard stanza of my XF86Config file is:
   Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
  Driver  "keyboard"
  Option  "CoreKeyboard"
  Option  "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
  Option  "XkbModel"   "pc104"
  Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"
  Option  "XkbVariant" "microsoft"
   EndSection
But I don't think this has anything to do with the "e" and "c" keys not
working in X.  Lastly, I use the enlightenment wm.  I tried running twm
instead, but 'e' and 'c' still don't work, so it's not a wm issue.
I'm completely and utterly out of ideas.  The X keyboard is an area of
Linux I know almost nothing about.
Can some kind soul please please please help me figure this out?
Thanks!
Pete

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Re: Newbie problems galore

[Mark Pictor]

Well I guess I'm gonna reply to two people at once...

--- "David A. Cobb" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Not a very successful day!!!
> 
> Trying to go with the fact that TUN driver sees my
> network controller.
> 
> Two occurrences of "Warning" Failure trying to run

Warning *doesn't* mean failure... and having to use
--force is a bad sign.  Are you sure you're doing it
the right way?  (I can't recommend anything, not sure
what you are doing.)

> 
> chroot /target dpkg --force-depends \
>   /var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.0.2_i386.deb \
>   (same basepath)/base-passwd_3.4.1_i386.deb
> 
> 
> and several more where all I get is "debootstrap
> exited with an 
> error (return code 1)"
> 
> I was getting the debootstrap errors before, seeming
> to be related to 
> the way I mounted my partitions. 

???  Once you've got things set up, you should use
/etc/fstab - try 'nano /etc/fstab' as root, to edit
it.
for one-time mounts, use 'mount -t vfat /dev/hda1
/mnt/windows' where hda1 is a partition [1], and
/mnt/windows is an empty folder which you have
permissions for.  You must be root to use mount this
way. 

> Also, eliminating drivers may have helped in the
> past.  When there is no 
> error info, it's hard to guess what correction was a
> good idea and what 
> wasn't.
> 
> Doesn't the Base-System create process leave a log
> behind anywhere???
> David A. Cobb wrote:
> 
> > Hi!
> >I purchased a CD set of "Debian 3.0 "Woody"
> Official" and started 
> > to install it.
> >First woe: my hardware is by nVidia; the
> Official kernel on the CD 
> > is 2.4.18, nVidia provides a driver for 2.4.20/21
> and the Debian 
> > archive has nVidia patches for 2.4.26.  My plan is
> to go to .26, but 
> > in the meanwhile I can't use X Windows and I can't
> access my NIC, so 
> > all that stuff requires rebooting into Windows. 
> So, my first 
> > question: given the kernel images on 
> > $MIRROR/Debian/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.26-i386,
> how do I change my 
> > kernel?
> >
> >I need to pass things back-and-forth between
> Linux and Windoze.  I 
> > see references to VFAT FS on the web site, but for
> the life of me, I 
> > can't find a trace of the software.  It's really

See comments above, and [1] below.
To make sure your kernel can use it, (-bf24 almost
certainly can) type 'cat /proc/filesystems' and read
the output... one of the lines should be vfat, which
is fat32/long file names.

> bad to have to play 
> > games with tar at both sides of the route in order
> not to munge up the 
> > "magic" pathnames.  PLEASE don't tell me that the
> evil beast of 
> > Redmond has buried VFAT under a patent claim!!  If

They are trying!!!

> not, please, where 
> > can I find it?
> >
> >Right now, I've managed to hork up my package
> data so dpkg gets 
> > hung up trying to fix things.  My best bet seems
> to be to restart from 
> > scratch.  How do I get dpkg / apt / aptitude to
> clean my machine 
> > totally, or what files should I remove to make all
> this stuff go 
> > away?   Or, would it really be quicker to re-init
> my partitions and 
> > start again from the CD?

It might be... if you have a spare hard disk laying
around, I would do an install on it, and work out the
kinks/practice...  If you haven't done much
personalization or got much data on the debian
partition, I would just erase it and try again.

> >
> >Thanks, all, for your patience.  I hope I see
> some answers before I 
> > do something more silly than what I've already
> done here.
> >
> 
> -- 
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> Advocate
> "By God's Grace, I am a Christian man; by my actions
> a great sinner." -- The Way of a Pilgrim: R.French,
> Tr.
> Life is too short to tolerate crappy software!
> 
> 

[1] partitions - use something like cfdisk to find out
which number corresponds to which partition;
alternately just go through the numbers (hda1 thru
hda9) until you don't get an error that it isn't vfat,
then do 'ls /mnt/windows' and see if everything looks
right.


Good luck.

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Re: how to run a single X program?

[John Summerfield]

William Ballard wrote:
On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 07:23:41PM +0200, Shot wrote:
 

starts my GNOME/Metacity as usual, while `startx xterm` (or
`startx mozilla-firefox` for that matter) end up in dropping
me back to the commandline and displaying
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm:  bad command line option "mozilla-firefox"
(plus xterm usage help).
   

use:
startx `which xterm`
startx `which mozilla-firefox`
By default, no path is set up.
 

I don't believe that: the message above is coming from xterm.
I suggest
man xterm

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Re: wifi & kernel 2.6.* kernel

[John Summerfield]

David Goodenough wrote:
Rodney D. Myers wrote:
 

I've been searching for my wifi modules, and they all seem to be geared
towards the 2.4.* series of kernel's.
doing an "apt-cache search wlan" shows wlan*2.4.*
The card was "found' and identified in the net install, but I used the
built-in lan card to install. will I need the source to build into
2.6.3?
   


   

Dolphin:~#
This will serve to identify (better than the box it came in) your card.
Then, and only then, someone might be able to tell you which driver to
use.
 

John, Thanks for this tip, and your past support in OS/2.
sudo lspci -s 00:09.0 -v -v
:00:09.0 Network controller: Intersil Corporation Prism 2.5 Wavelan
   

For this chip you want hostap.  Although it gives you many capabilities beyond
simply being a wireless client, its good at that as well.
David (also an OS/2 old timer).
 

It's nice to be recognised:-)) Thanks chaps. I've been looking at these 
somewhat familiar names, unable to quite place them.

Do this:
apt-cache search hostap
I think Rodney needs one of the hostap-modules packages.
hostap is system software  that does cool wireless stuff like turn your 
Penguin into an access point.


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Help: My 'e' and 'c' keys no longer work!

[Peter Jay Salzman]

Dear all,

My "c" and "e" keys stopped working in xterms (rxvt, etc) on X.   They
work correctly on the console, so it's not a hw issue.  The only things
of note that happened recently are:

1. My system froze this morning.  Required a reboot and fsck.  No
   "bad" error messages, just the usual "zero dtime" stuff.

   I looked for xkb related files in all my lost+found directories, but
   didn't find anything.

2. I apt-get upgraded today.  Can't remember what got upgraded last, but
   I don't think it was X related.

I tried restarting X, then tried shutting the machine, wiggling the PS/2
connector and restarting.  No dice.

However, xfree86 IS receiving events for these keys.  The output of xev
for "e" is shown below (including the output for "r" to compare it with
it with a working key):

   KeyRelease event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0xc1,
   root 0x58, subw 0xc2, time 368034, (45,50), root:(49,408),
   state 0x0, keycode 26 (keysym 0x0, NoSymbol), same_screen YES,
   XLookupString gives 0 bytes:  ""

   KeyPress event, serial 25, synthetic NO, window 0xc1,
   root 0x58, subw 0xc2, time 368342, (45,50), root:(49,408),
   state 0x0, keycode 27 (keysym 0x72, r), same_screen YES,
   XLookupString gives 1 bytes:  "r"

so SOMETHING is happening.  I killed X and started it again as a
different user.  The "e" and "c" keys still didn't work.  So whatever
happened is global for all users.

I also tried reinstalling all packages that have a file named "xkb":

   apt-get install --reinstall xlibs xlibs-static-pic xbase-clients
   libx11-6 xlibs-static-dev

but still no dice.  The only keyboard type warning I get when running
startx is:

   The XKEYBOARD keymap compiler (xkbcomp) reports:
   > Error:No Symbols named "microsoft" in the include file
   > "pc/us"
   >   Exiting
   >   Abandoning symbols file "default"
   Errors from xkbcomp are not fatal to the X server

The keyboard stanza of my XF86Config file is:

   Section "InputDevice"
  Identifier  "Generic Keyboard"
  Driver  "keyboard"
  Option  "CoreKeyboard"
  Option  "XkbRules"   "xfree86"
  Option  "XkbModel"   "pc104"
  Option  "XkbLayout"  "us"
  Option  "XkbVariant" "microsoft"
   EndSection

But I don't think this has anything to do with the "e" and "c" keys not
working in X.  Lastly, I use the enlightenment wm.  I tried running twm
instead, but 'e' and 'c' still don't work, so it's not a wm issue.


I'm completely and utterly out of ideas.  The X keyboard is an area of
Linux I know almost nothing about.

Can some kind soul please please please help me figure this out?

Thanks!
Pete

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Re: how to run a single X program?

[Shot]

Hello.

William Ballard:

> use:
> startx `which xterm`
> startx `which mozilla-firefox`
> 
> By default, no path is set up.

Great, thanks! I'll inform the author of
"Debian GNU/Linux Desktop Survival Guide".

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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[Adam Funk]

On Saturday 17 July 2004 09:40, Adam Funk wrote:

> I have a digital camera and I agree with this.  I've never bothered to
> hook the camera up to try gphoto.  I just put the cards in the card
> reader and copy the jpg files to my hard drive.
> 
> Anyway, I have an Olympus C750 (now discontinued, I think).  The

Oops.  I have a C720.

> *only* thing I don't like about it is the crappy wrist strap, but I
> believe the models that have superseded it have a proper neck strap.

The C750 is one of the newer models.


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Mozilla and Website Icons in bookmark tabs

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Hi all,

how to set the website icons in the bookmark tabs? Firefox shows all
if available but mozilla not. I've set "show website icons", but
they only occur in the address field and the tab head (when using
tabs).

THX

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Re: NETGEAR MA311 802.11b Wireless PCI Network Adapter Card

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 20:39:36 +0200
Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On Saturday 17 July 2004 16:40, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:08:35 +0200
> >
> > Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > > On Thursday 08 July 2004 15:46, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> > >
> > > On Wednesday 07 July 2004 05:40, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > > >> I know this card is supported under Linux, and debian, but...
> > > >>
> > > >> What is involved in getting this card found/configured under
> > > >> Sarge? Specifically under the new net install cdrom?
> > > >>
> > > >> A lady friend is seriously considering letting me move her off
> > > >> of windos and onto debian. The hangup is this wifi card. I
> > > >don't> ant
> > > >
> > > >to> spend all day trying to get this piece of hardware working,
> > > >unless I> absolutely have to.
> > > >
> > > > Don't know how the new installer handles wifi, but this is more
> > > > or less what you should do to get the netgear ma311 working:
> > > >
> > > > apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-source wireless-tools
> > > > hotplug echo "alias wlan0 hostap_cs" >/etc/modutils/hostap
> > >
> > > Should have said _pci, not _cs. Thus:
> > > echo "alias wlan0 hostap_pci" >/etc/modutils/hostap
> > >
> > > > update-modules
> > > >
> > > > Ensure that you have a wlan0 section in
> > > > /etc/network/interfaces...
> > > >
> > > > iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar
> > > > iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
> > >
> > > Did you get it to work, btw?
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> >
> > Actually I missed the first reply to this message, not sure how or
> > why.. I know have this email printed out so I can try.
> 
> Oh, I also forgot to mention that you should, of course, compile the 
> hostap kernel module. This can be done like this (after having 
> apt-get'ed hostap-source and assuming that you compile your own
> kernels with kernel sources located in /usr/src/linux):
> 
> cd /usr/src
> tar zxvf hostap-source.tar.gz
> cd linux
> fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -foobar modules_image
> sudo dpkg -i ../hostap-modules-2.6.5-foobar_0.1.2-2_i386.deb
> depmod -a
> 
> Should you ever want to use the MA311 as an access point, have a look
> at my notes: http://sentinel.dk/cookbook/?Linux_wireless_access_point
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many thanks.. I have the kernel-source, and everything you mentioned
above.. Now to try and compile the source code, and get a functioning
kernel & wifi card.

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Re: How do I get rid of the mutt mail headers

[Jim McCloskey]

On a related matter, though ...

I switched from Emacs RMAIL to Mutt a couple of months ago, and there
is just one thing that I miss from RMAIL. The command
rmail-output-body-to-file (bound by default to `w') saves only the
body of the mail-message, eliminating all headers.

I often want to do this, but haven't yet found a way to do it in
Mutt. Does anyone know if it's possible?

Jim


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Re: Newbie problems galore

[David A. Cobb]

Not a very successful day!!!
Trying to go with the fact that TUN driver sees my network controller.
Two occurrences of "Warning" Failure trying to run
chroot /target dpkg --force-depends \
/var/cache/apt/archives/base-files_3.0.2_i386.deb \
(same basepath)/base-passwd_3.4.1_i386.deb
   and several more where all I get is "debootstrap exited with an 
error (return code 1)"

I was getting the debootstrap errors before, seeming to be related to 
the way I mounted my partitions. 
Also, eliminating drivers may have helped in the past.  When there is no 
error info, it's hard to guess what correction was a good idea and what 
wasn't.

Doesn't the Base-System create process leave a log behind anywhere???
David A. Cobb wrote:
Hi!
   I purchased a CD set of "Debian 3.0 "Woody" Official" and started 
to install it.
   First woe: my hardware is by nVidia; the Official kernel on the CD 
is 2.4.18, nVidia provides a driver for 2.4.20/21 and the Debian 
archive has nVidia patches for 2.4.26.  My plan is to go to .26, but 
in the meanwhile I can't use X Windows and I can't access my NIC, so 
all that stuff requires rebooting into Windows.  So, my first 
question: given the kernel images on 
$MIRROR/Debian/main/k/kernel-image-2.4.26-i386, how do I change my 
kernel?

   I need to pass things back-and-forth between Linux and Windoze.  I 
see references to VFAT FS on the web site, but for the life of me, I 
can't find a trace of the software.  It's really bad to have to play 
games with tar at both sides of the route in order not to munge up the 
"magic" pathnames.  PLEASE don't tell me that the evil beast of 
Redmond has buried VFAT under a patent claim!!  If not, please, where 
can I find it?

   Right now, I've managed to hork up my package data so dpkg gets 
hung up trying to fix things.  My best bet seems to be to restart from 
scratch.  How do I get dpkg / apt / aptitude to clean my machine 
totally, or what files should I remove to make all this stuff go 
away?   Or, would it really be quicker to re-init my partitions and 
start again from the CD?

   Thanks, all, for your patience.  I hope I see some answers before I 
do something more silly than what I've already done here.

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Gnome panel auto-hide + always on top

[Neilen Marais]

Hi!

I'm using sarge, and the current Gnome2 packages, with the Sawfish
window manger. I have an auto-hiding panel, but when it un-hides, it is
not on top of other applications.  I have spent quite a bit of time in
gconf, and with google trying to make this happen, but I can't find a
solution.

Thanks
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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Jamin W. Collins]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:04:39PM +0200, Matthias Czapla wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 01:20:13PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote:
> > 
> > But what the display manager should do at some point is start a
> > login shell (that is, start the user's selected shell, with the
> > standard login flag for shell programs so that shell reads the
> > user's login-time files).
> > 
> > That's what logging in to a virtual console does.
> 
> Yes, and then this login shell keeps running and is the parent of any
> subsequently started processes. If the display manager just starts a
> login shell then this shell is unable to change the environment of
> it's parent (the dm) and if this shell exits everything will be
> exactly as it was before it has been run.
> 
> So we would need to start a login shell that will become the parent
> process of everything else that you would like to have an initialized
> environment. I don't know how a dm works internally to say if this is
> possible though :|

I'll admit I too don't know the internals of it but I would think that
the solution proposed previously would work for at least some of the
cases:

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> There are no new files. The change is very simple.
>
> Ultimately the correct solution is to edit
> /etc/X11/Xsession.d/99xfree86-common_start to read:
>
>  exec -l $SHELL -c "$STARTUP"

If I'm understanding what I've looked at of the Xsession startup the
value of $STARTUP could be set prior to calling Xsession and if so will
be used as the command to start.  If not it will fall back to using the
user's personal startup config.

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Re: Mail client for downloading headers

[Elimar Riesebieter]

On Sun, 18 Jul 2004 the mental interface of
bob parker told:

> A while ago I thought I saw some reference to a package that could get the 
> headers from the mail server into a file. That file could then be edited to 
> remove the items to be kept and the remainder of the file used to instruct 
> the server to delete the relevant emails without downloading them.
> 
> I lost track of the package name. Would someone be kind enough remind me 
> please.

$ apt-cache show mailfilter

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Re: Need a Traffic Shaping Crash Course Please

[Mike Fieschko]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:34:23 -0700
Scarletdown <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

[snip]

> Essentially, what I am wanting to do is split our available bandwidth 
> (1.5/256) evenly, so that the router gets a dedicated 768/128 and my 
> workstation gets its own 768/128, with the ability for either to use 
> more when the other is idle.  Since both are connected directly to the
> 
> modem, I am assuming that I will need to set this up on both systems
> of course.
> 
> Normally, I would go ahead and hammer away at this project myself
> until I got it figured out, but I just don't have the time this time
> around to spend hours or even days sifting through cryptic pages that
> seem to assume that the target audience already knows how to do what
> the page is teaching.  So, can someone give some tips, or at least
> direct me to a page that has a simple tutorial on how to set up
> something like this without causing my head to explode?

[snip]

There's the Linux Bandwidth Arbitrator

http://www.bandwidtharbitrator.com

which has a how-to

http://bandwidtharbitrator.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4

They have both GPL and commercial license versions.


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Re: The state of debian security

[Paul Johnson]

Please fix your character set, your apostrophies don't appear correctly.

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> Quote from debian's security website:
>
> Debian takes security very seriously.  Most security problems brought to
> our attention are corrected within 48 hours.

Key word is most.

> Debian has yet to release security patches for two major
> vulnerabilities in php.  In fact they haven't released an advisory
> of any kind in over two weeks.  I know that this is a community
> effort, but I don't really understand how that's an excuse
> seeing that Gentoo released and updated ebuild the next day.

So what are you going to do about it?  I suggest using reportbug to see
if the bug is already in the Debian bug tracking system, and make an
attempt at making a patched version of the Debianized package to submit
to the developer.  Be sure to note what you did and explain the process
as well, so the developer knows what you did and can reproduce the build
themselves.  By using Debian, you are a part of the community by
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Mail client for downloading headers

[bob parker]

A while ago I thought I saw some reference to a package that could get the 
headers from the mail server into a file. That file could then be edited to 
remove the items to be kept and the remainder of the file used to instruct 
the server to delete the relevant emails without downloading them.

I lost track of the package name. Would someone be kind enough remind me 
please.

Thanks
Bob Parker


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Re: Help with Router

[Wim De Smet]

Hi,

> I need to know how to configure Debian to connect to the router.

I'm not sure how you disable your pppoe setup but just removing any
ppp and/or pppoe packages should probably do the trick. To connect to
the router, since it is dhcp all you need to do is install a dhcp
client  (dhcp-client usually works) and then edit
/etc/network/interfaces

You can read "man interfaces" to know how to but it is really easy.
Just make sure there are two lines like this:
auto eth0
iface eth0 inet dhcp

There should be 2 other lines for lo and usually nothing else. Check
/etc/resolv.conf and remove any nameservers that may have been defined
there since you should normally get these automatically from your
router. If you need to set that other ip you should configure it
static, though I don't know why you would really want to.

> Second Question, how do you set up to connect to Windows Shares
I have a line like this in /etc/fstab:
//echo/sound/mnt/sound  smbfs   username=none,password= 0   0

Where echo is the WINS hostname and sound is the name of the share,
/mnt/sound is the directory it is mounted on. You just need to have
the package smbfs installed I think and support in the kernel but this
should be there if you're using a kernel.

If you want to make your own windows-like shares you will have to set
up a samba server but it is a bit tedious to do and takes much more
time than these two simple things.

greets,
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Re: Need a Traffic Shaping Crash Course Please

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On Saturday 17 July 2004 20:34, Scarletdown wrote:
> Hello, hello!  I've been rather quiet for a while here due to being
> busy with other projects.  But now, I am needing some help with
> traffic shaping, something that I have zero experience with thus far.
[ snip ]

Sorry, I cannot give you a crash course, but you should probably start 
out by reading some of http://lartc.org/howto/index.html

Or the easy way - without really learning anything about traffic 
shaping:
http://freshmeat.net/projects/cbq.init
http://freshmeat.net/projects/htb.init

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Re: conntrack_ftp

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>   How can i append at boot time module conntrack_ftp? With modprobe
> conntrack_ftp - by hand it's Ok. My system is Woody with kernel
> 2.4.18

echo ip_conntrack_ftp >>/etc/modules
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Need a Traffic Shaping Crash Course Please

[Scarletdown]

Hello, hello!  I've been rather quiet for a while here due to being busy 
with other projects.  But now, I am needing some help with traffic 
shaping, something that I have zero experience with thus far.  Anyway, 
here is the situation:

I share a cable Internet connection (1.5m dl / 256k ul) with my 
housemate here.  Our network setup here at home consists of 2 
workstations (his runs Windows 98SE for now, and mine is Debian), a 
Celeron-300 Linux box, various project systems, and an 8-Port 10/100 hub 
(which will eventually be replaced with a switch).  Our ISP provides 2 
dynamically assigned IP addresses.  My workstation is connected directly 
to the Ethernet port on the cable modem, and the Celeron box is 
connected to the modem's USB port, and serves as a router and firewall 
(via ipmasq) for all the other systems on the network.

Lately, I mostly use the Internet for general Web browsing, with some 
occasional large downloads.  The other guy is a big time gamer, and is 
playing City of Heroes (which I may start playing myself later this 
year, since there is apparently a Linux port for it now).  But anyway, 
He has been experiencing massive bursts of lag lately.  We initially 
thought that there might be a problem with our ISP or some router or 
whatever between here and the COH servers.  Well, about an hour ago, we 
discovered where the real issue was.  I had started a very large 
(approximately 1GB) BitTorrent download.  When I saw how long it was 
going to take to complete, I cancelled it.  That was when I heard the 
scream of anguish coming from the back bedroom.  My housemate had just 
experienced the worst lag ever known since we got our cable service.  
Just as a test, I went ahead and started the download again, and sure 
enough, his lag meter practically went off the scale, so to speak.

Now back when we were on dialup and shared a 56K connection through a 
Freesco router (freesco.org for more info), I had seen mention 
occasionally of something called bandwidth throttling or traffic 
shaping, but I never got around to tinkering with it back then.

Essentially, what I am wanting to do is split our available bandwidth 
(1.5/256) evenly, so that the router gets a dedicated 768/128 and my 
workstation gets its own 768/128, with the ability for either to use 
more when the other is idle.  Since both are connected directly to the 
modem, I am assuming that I will need to set this up on both systems of 
course.

Normally, I would go ahead and hammer away at this project myself until 
I got it figured out, but I just don't have the time this time around to 
spend hours or even days sifting through cryptic pages that seem to 
assume that the target audience already knows how to do what the page is 
teaching.  So, can someone give some tips, or at least direct me to a 
page that has a simple tutorial on how to set up something like this 
without causing my head to explode?

Thanks, and here's hoping Comcast will finally expand to my part of 
Kitsap County and assimilate Wave Broadband.  :D

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Re: NETGEAR MA311 802.11b Wireless PCI Network Adapter Card

[Frederik Dannemare]

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> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:08:35 +0200
>
> Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> > On Thursday 08 July 2004 15:46, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
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> > On Wednesday 07 July 2004 05:40, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> > >> I know this card is supported under Linux, and debian, but...
> > >>
> > >> What is involved in getting this card found/configured under
> > >> Sarge? Specifically under the new net install cdrom?
> > >>
> > >> A lady friend is seriously considering letting me move her off
> > >> of windos and onto debian. The hangup is this wifi card. I don't
> > >> ant
> > >
> > >to> spend all day trying to get this piece of hardware working,
> > >unless I> absolutely have to.
> > >
> > > Don't know how the new installer handles wifi, but this is more
> > > or less what you should do to get the netgear ma311 working:
> > >
> > > apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-source wireless-tools hotplug
> > > echo "alias wlan0 hostap_cs" >/etc/modutils/hostap
> >
> > Should have said _pci, not _cs. Thus:
> > echo "alias wlan0 hostap_pci" >/etc/modutils/hostap
> >
> > > update-modules
> > >
> > > Ensure that you have a wlan0 section in
> > > /etc/network/interfaces...
> > >
> > > iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar
> > > iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
> >
> > Did you get it to work, btw?
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> Actually I missed the first reply to this message, not sure how or
> why.. I know have this email printed out so I can try.

Oh, I also forgot to mention that you should, of course, compile the 
hostap kernel module. This can be done like this (after having 
apt-get'ed hostap-source and assuming that you compile your own kernels 
with kernel sources located in /usr/src/linux):

cd /usr/src
tar zxvf hostap-source.tar.gz
cd linux
fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -foobar modules_image
sudo dpkg -i ../hostap-modules-2.6.5-foobar_0.1.2-2_i386.deb
depmod -a

Should you ever want to use the MA311 as an access point, have a look at 
my notes: http://sentinel.dk/cookbook/?Linux_wireless_access_point
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Re: The state of debian security

[dmargoli]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Quote from debian’s security website:
Debian takes security very seriously.  Most security problems brought to our
attention are corrected within 48 hours.
Debian has yet to release security patches for two major vulnerabilities in php.
 In fact they haven’t released an advisory of any kind in over two weeks.  I
know that this is a community effort, but I don’t really understand how that’s
an excuse seeing that Gentoo released and updated ebuild the next day.
I love debian.  I run debian stable on all of my production machines, and the
belief that security patches would be handed down to the community promptly was
a major factor in choosing it as our distribution of choice.  Nevertheless, if
users continued to be frustrated by slow response times to security issues and
poor developer attitudes, debian has no real advantage over any other distro.
Frustrated and vulnerable…
I know exactly how you feel. I intended to ask the same question, in 
fact. The PHP bug I found in Debian's bugzilla, and a fix is promised in 
what should be one day or so. As a temporary work around, disable 
memory_limit (set it to -1) in php.ini, which leaves you vulnerable to a 
POST DoS (by sending a huge amount of data via POST) but at least 
removes the possibility of remote code execution. As for the striptags 
issue, that depends on your scripts.

But along with those concerns, I am concerned about two kernel 
vulnerabilities that allow local users to cause a DoS. CAN-2004-0427 is 
noted in http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=254354, but 
there appears to be little progress. 
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=53804 also appears to be a bug 
that would effect Debian's kernel, but I see no mention of it in 
Debian's bugzilla. There may be more.

Kernel vulnerabilities I can fix by going outside the Debian source 
tree, but I can do that with PHP, too. I'm not complaining; I have no 
right to complain over a free project that I'm not even contributing to. 
But I was really hoping someone could tell me if these bugs are going to 
be patched soon, so I can decide what I plan to do about them if they 
aren't.

Like you, I chose Debian for a production machine over Gentoo, on the 
assumption that I could count on Debian for fast patches. But as of 
late, there appear to be some delays or organizational problems. Should 
I jump ship? Must I patch myself?

I truly hope I haven't offended anybody. I know how hard this can be. 
I'm merely asking for information, not trying to insult anybody.

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Re: The state of debian security

[Jon Dowland]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 11:05:37 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> Quote from debian's security website:
> 
> Debian takes security very seriously.  Most security problems brought to our
> attention are corrected within 48 hours.
> 
> Debian has yet to release security patches for two major vulnerabilities in php.
>  In fact they haven't released an advisory of any kind in over two weeks.  I
> know that this is a community effort, but I don't really understand how that's
> an excuse seeing that Gentoo released and updated ebuild the next day.
> 
> I love debian.  I run debian stable on all of my production machines, and the
> belief that security patches would be handed down to the community promptly was
> a major factor in choosing it as our distribution of choice.  Nevertheless, if
> users continued to be frustrated by slow response times to security issues and
> poor developer attitudes, debian has no real advantage over any other distro.
> 
> Frustrated and vulnerable…

Could you supply links / information about the vulnerabilities?

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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Matthias Czapla]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 01:20:13PM -0400, Daniel B. wrote:
> It would be sensible if logging in via a display manager included
> the same shell login initialization that logging in on a virtual
> console performed.  (Or via telnet, rlogin, ssh, etc.)

I agree, that would be most sensible.

> > Now do you have the display manager source every possible file that
> > should be sourced for each possible shell? 
> 
> No. 
> 
> But what the display manager should do at some point is start a 
> login shell (that is, start the user's selected shell, with the 
> standard login flag for shell programs so that shell reads the
> user's login-time files).
> 
> That's what logging in to a virtual console does.

Yes, and then this login shell keeps running and is the parent of
any subsequently started processes. If the display manager just
starts a login shell then this shell is unable to change the
environment of it's parent (the dm) and if this shell exits
everything will be exactly as it was before it has been run.

So we would need to start a login shell that will become the parent
process of everything else that you would like to have an
initialized environment. I don't know how a dm works internally to
say if this is possible though :|

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Re: how to run a single X program?

[William Ballard]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 07:23:41PM +0200, Shot wrote:
> starts my GNOME/Metacity as usual, while `startx xterm` (or
> `startx mozilla-firefox` for that matter) end up in dropping
> me back to the commandline and displaying
> /usr/X11R6/bin/xterm:  bad command line option "mozilla-firefox"
> (plus xterm usage help).

use:
startx `which xterm`
startx `which mozilla-firefox`

By default, no path is set up.


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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Michael Graham]

Daniel wrote:
> Let's start with sensible behavior to the user (before considering
> implementation):
> 
> It would be sensible if logging in via a display manager included
> the same shell login initialization that logging in on a virtual
> console performed.  (Or via telnet, rlogin, ssh, etc.)

[I'm sorry but I don't have the will power to go into all the points
you made but I will comment on this one...]

Why should logging into X have the same behaviour as running a bash (or
whatever) login? When you log in to a console (Or via telnet, rlogin,
ssh, etc.) you are just running a login shell, but X is not a shell.

Now if you where saying that there should a mechanism for setting
environment variable at a user level that was independent of the method
of login then I would agree but ~/.profile ~/.bash_profile or ~/.login
is not the place for these as they are used already and have
well-defined jobs

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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Daniel B.]

Michael Graham wrote:
> ... 
> But in this case you exec'ing the users own .xsession so sourcing
> .profile isn't a problem, since the user should do it in the .xsession
> (either manually or by making it a login session) so you just do

That does not work.

You seem to be assuming that .xsession is a login-time script.
It is not.  (It is only an "X-startup-time" script.)

If what you suggest were done, then if the user logs in via a
console and then starts X by typing startx, .xsession would
re-initialize the environment to login settings.

Consider logging in via the console, having login initialization
done, changing some environment variables, and typing startx:  
You want to be able to inherit those environment variable changes.
You don't want starting X to re-initialize the enviroment (for
every program started under X or the window manager).


A login shell should be started when the user logins in, and
ONLY when the user logs in (or explicitly requests a login 
shell).

Therefore:
- The display manager (whichever parts logs the user in) should 
  start a login shell.  
- Other parts of X should NOT start a login shell (unless 
  requested by the user).

Michael B Allen wrote:
> 
> Where sould I put X initialization commands that need to be executed by
> root like xset -b and kdbrate -r 24?
> 
> I'm using gdm so /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default looks like a winner but it's
> seems specific to gdm. Is there a better place?
> 
> Thanks,
> Mike
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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Daniel B.]

Michael B Allen wrote:
> 
> ...
> 
> Look, conceptually what needs to be done is simple. The purpose of the
> login option of a shell is to say "Hey, I'm logging in, initialize my
> environment." Subsequent shells do not use the login option which is
> to mean "Hey, I've already initialized my environment so don't bother
> to do it again. I just want another shell, inherit the environment from
> the parent."
> 
> So all we have to do is detect when a user is logging in and exec their
> default shell with the login option. Debian does that when you ssh in
> or login on the console but not when you login with X.
> 
> Where would we do that? Well let's review the process. Let's say your
> using gdm (but it's very similar for each login manager). Gdm calls
> scripts to be executed by root like /etc/X11/gdm/Init/Default for calling
> xmodmap, setting kbdrate, or /etc/X11/gdm/PostSession/Default mounting
> a home drive, etc. Then it switches to the user with setuid and calls
> scripts to be executed as the user to  like /etc/X11/gdm/Xsession which
> calls /etc/X11/profile.d/ (or whatever it's called) which eventually
> exec's the session manager like say /usr/bin/wmaker possibly via
> ~/.xsession. Now if we exec the session manager at the very end we don't
> have a lot of choices. We have to launch our login shell there.
> 
> Now I'm on a RH 7.3 system right now and I've never had this profile
> issue on RH systems so if I look at their scripts I see:
> 
> #!/bin/bash
> 
> ... lots of stuff ...
> 
> # otherwise, take default action
> if [ -x "$HOME/.xsession" ]; then
> exec -l $SHELL -c "$HOME/.xsession"
> 
> There are a lot of other lines that look like this but this one
> illustrates quite clearly how RH handles this. I'm not terribly familiar
> with exec options of bash but I'm willing to bet it has something to do
> with the login option or has the equivalent effect.
> 
> You guys really should fix this problem. It's quite a wart.
> 
> Mike
> 
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how to run a single X program?

[Shot]

Hello.

Most of the time I work in GNOME, but sometimes all I need to do can be
done quicker in text environment, with, for example, only one graphical
web-browser running on the default, seventh virtual console. This could
be a real time- and battery-saver when I'm working on a laptop.

I think there's a way of starting (startx-ing?) X with only one
application, and after some googling I found "The Basic X Window
System Architecture"[1], which suggests to `startx xterm` or to
put xterm as the only thing in the ~/.xinit file.

Unfortunately, creating ~/.xinit with the xterm line simply
starts my GNOME/Metacity as usual, while `startx xterm` (or
`startx mozilla-firefox` for that matter) end up in dropping
me back to the commandline and displaying
/usr/X11R6/bin/xterm:  bad command line option "mozilla-firefox"
(plus xterm usage help).

What should I try next? I have the x-window-manager alternative set to
/usr/bin/metacity, but setting it to /usr/X11R6/bin/twm doesn't change
anything (and I don't think it should, because, as I understand it,
I don't want to run *any* window manager - I want just a single,
fullscreen X application).

[1] http://togaware.com/linux/survivor/Basic_X.shtml

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Re: jre segfaults

[Micha Feigin]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:03:36PM +0300, Micha Feigin wrote:
> I just noticed that j2re 1.3 and 1.4 segfault on me. I'm not sure if
> its the recent upgrade to kernel 1.6 (don't think so since I had it
> running with a 2.6 kernel on another machine) or something in debian.
> 
> Anyone else notice this also?
> 

I just ran it trough strace, and it seems that its having problems with
futex for jre 1.3.1, 1.4.2, 1.5

They all show something of the sort:

futex(0x813b588, FUTEX_WAKE, 1) = 0
gettimeofday({1090084152, 997718}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1090084152, 997822}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1090084152, 997899}, NULL) = 0
gettimeofday({1090084152, 997979}, NULL) = 0
clock_gettime(0, {1090084152, 998063000}) = 0
futex(0x8482f60, FUTEX_WAIT, 155, {0, 99916000}) = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call)

1.3.1 and 1.4.2 just crush with a segfault, 1.5 hangs.

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jre segfaults

[Micha Feigin]

I just noticed that j2re 1.3 and 1.4 segfault on me. I'm not sure if
its the recent upgrade to kernel 1.6 (don't think so since I had it
running with a 2.6 kernel on another machine) or something in debian.

Anyone else notice this also?

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Re: Login Shell/Profile: Stop the Madness

[Daniel B.]

[Note implementation question near end.]

Michael Graham wrote:
> 
> Michael wrote:
> > ...about shell environment initialization. ...
> > ... at no time is a login shell
> > created which is necessary to trigger profile initialization.
> 
> Although it's annoying that this is the way *dm work it is the only
> sensible way to do it (at least that I've heard!)...

Let's start with sensible behavior to the user (before considering
implementation):

It would be sensible if logging in via a display manager included
the same shell login initialization that logging in on a virtual
console performed.  (Or via telnet, rlogin, ssh, etc.)


> Think of this: The display manager is in essence a series of shell
> scripts with a fancy front-end. Now each of these shell scripts must use
> a certain shell (bash, sh, csh, tcsh, ksh, zsh, the list goes on) and
> each user on the system could potentially be using a different shell.
> 
> Now do you have the display manager source every possible file that
> should be sourced for each possible shell? 

No. 

But what the display manager should do at some point is start a 
login shell (that is, start the user's selected shell, with the 
standard login flag for shell programs so that shell reads the
user's login-time files).

That's what logging in to a virtual console does.

That's part of the standard Unix login mechanism.

That's what any method of logging in should do.

Therefore, that's what display managers (or some script in the
chain) should do.

> Now do you have the display manager source every possible file that
> should be sourced for the shell that the login manager uses? 

No.  It invokes the selected shell and that shell sources its own
files. 

The display manager doesn't have to know anything about which
files a specific shell will read.  It only has to know about
the standard login-shell flag for shells.


> Or do you
> setup a system where by the users shell is determined and the
> appropriate files sourced?

YES!  EXACTLY!  Just like /bin/login does.  And just like 
/bin/login has been doing for years (decades?)! 


> I hope if you think about it you'll realise that it is highly
> non-trivial to implement a system where no matter which shell the user
> uses the dm will act in the same way.

If you use the appropriate mechanism (the standard login flag 
for shells), what's hard about it?  (Also see question at end.)


> For instance if the dm uses a bash login shell and I have two users on

But the display manager wouldn't use a specific login shell.
It would use the user's selected login shell.  (Note that
display manager scripts can use whatever shell the implementer
wants.)

> the system one using tcsh and one using bash. Then the bash user would
> have his login files sourced and the tcsh user would not

When the bash user logs in to a console, his or her base login 
files are sourced.  What the tsch user logs in to a console, 
his or her tcsh login files are sourced.

Logging in other than loggin in on a virtual console should still
do the same thing.


IMPLEMENTATION QUESTION:

Why can't it work like this:
- The display/login manager looks up the user's selected login 
  shell (as /bin/login does).
- At some point in the chain of startup programs and scripts, 
  the manager invokes the user's selected shell as a login shell, 
  by passing the standard login-shell flag (partly as /bin/login 
  does (but /bin/login starts an interactive shell)).
- The invoked shell, being invoked as a login shell, performs
  login-shell initialization, including reading the shell-
  specific login-initialization files (e.g., .bash_login if bash).
- When the manager invokes the shell, it has the shell run a 
  simple command to pass control back to the remainder of the 
  manager's chain of scripts and/or programs.  Here "simple" 
  means simple enough to work in all reasonable or typical shells 
  (e.g., no fancy redirection, etc.).

CORE QUESTION:  Can shells be invoked as login shells _and_
be given a command or script to run?

For example, "bash --login -c some_command" seems to be one
way of doing that in bash.  The question is whether there is 
any standard (cross-shell) way to do that.  

If some shell programs assume that a login shell is interactive, 
could a command be piped in on the standard input?  (Would
that work, and would that work across most shells?)


Actually, even if there is no standard way to do that across
all shells, the display manager should have a hook for doing 
that, and should come with adapters for common shells.  If 
the user wants to use an unsupported shell, the user just has 
to make an adapter to hook into the hook.

For example:
- Have files invoke_bash.sh, invoke_tcsh.sh, etc.
- The manager gets the user's selected shell name (e.g., "bash").
- The manager runs invoke_.sh.
- invoke_bash.sh runs "bash --login -c some_command"
- invoke_tcsh.sh does whatever is needed for tcsh (possibly
  something like "echo 'some_command' > tcsh -l" if t

Help with Router

[Christopher J. Noyes]

I had originally had Debian setup to use pppoe to connect to 
verizon.net using DSL and it worked. I just setup a small home network using a 
Linksys DSL/Cable Router, on Windows it works fine, both computers connect 
shares work, both can use the internet. I need to know how to configure Debian 
to connect to the router. As I understand it, what I need to do is disable 
pppoe, set it up to connect via Ethernet, configure it do do a dhcp lookkup to 
the router for the ip address, though this machine it should be 196.192.1.100 
according the linksys's documentation as it is the first machine and in Windows 
it uses this ip address. Second Question, how do you set up to connect to 
Windows Shares, I guess this is Samba. I have a laptop that is off and on the 
network that I would like be able to connect to.
Christopher J. Noyes

The state of debian security

[gfmurphy]

Quote from debian’s security website:

Debian takes security very seriously.  Most security problems brought to our
attention are corrected within 48 hours.

Debian has yet to release security patches for two major vulnerabilities in php.
 In fact they haven’t released an advisory of any kind in over two weeks.  I
know that this is a community effort, but I don’t really understand how that’s
an excuse seeing that Gentoo released and updated ebuild the next day.

I love debian.  I run debian stable on all of my production machines, and the
belief that security patches would be handed down to the community promptly was
a major factor in choosing it as our distribution of choice.  Nevertheless, if
users continued to be frustrated by slow response times to security issues and
poor developer attitudes, debian has no real advantage over any other distro.

Frustrated and vulnerable…





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Re: Newbie problems galore

[Damon L. Chesser]

David A. Cobb wrote:

Jacob S. wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jul 2004 12:08:14 -0500
Kent West <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

David A. Cobb wrote:
  

First woe: my hardware is by nVidia; the Official kernel on the CD
is 2.4.18, nVidia provides a driver for 2.4.20/21 and the Debian
archive has nVidia patches for 2.4.26.  My plan is to go to .26, but
in the meanwhile I can't use X Windows and I can't access my NIC, so
all that stuff requires rebooting into Windows.

You might be able to get your network working, in which case you won't
need to reboot into Windows.
  

Actually, he mentions nVidia hardware above. By this I assume he means
an nVidia chipset on his motherboard. In which case, his network card
(built into the motherboard) is not recognized unless you have a kernel
newer than 2.4.20 (not sure the exact version where they added it) using
the forcedeth module or by applying nVidia's patches to a 2.4.20 kernel
and using nvnet.  

URGGH.  Actually, as I said in answer to Kent, "TUN" is able to load and 
recognize my card.  Video matters -- later.
I've looked around here at Debian.org enough to know that nVidia 
presents a major PITA until I can upgrade my kernel.  And, until I can 
reach the net and let apt-get worry about what's missing, that is a 
thought to horrid to be borne.

Unfortunately, either way would require him to go into Windows to
download stuff, for his nVidia hardware to work in Woody.
David, if your Windows partition really is vfat format, and not running
something like XP which uses NTFS, you probably just need to modprobe
vfat before trying to mount it. Look at Monique's e-mail for a good
fstab example, if you need it.
HTH,
Jacob
 


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Re: conntrack_ftp

[Tony Middleton]

modconf is an easy tool for doing this.
Joost De Cock wrote:
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 How can i append at boot time module conntrack_ftp? With modprobe
conntrack_ftp - by hand it's Ok.
My system is Woody with kernel 2.4.18

Add a line to the /etc/modules file with the name of the module:
conntrack_ftp
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Re: X/GNOME starts just a bit, then dies; file permissions problem?

[Shot]

Hello.

Shot:

> After upgrading X to 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 yesterday on my workstation
> (Radeon 7500) I can no longer get back to GNOME

It seems something must've changed the ~/.ICEauthority ownership to
root:root and GNOME couldn't read it. After chmodding the file back
to shot:shot everything works ok again.

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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[anlace]

Here is an excellent resource for anyone looking to purchase a digital camera:
http://www.imaging-resource.com/

There are in-depth impartial comparisons and reviews of a large number of 
cameras.

Peace,
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cron runs 1 hr not another

[John Fleming]

Can someone tell me why cron runs the 0500 job and not the 1700 job
and/where to look for clues?  Thanks

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Problem with /dev and /dev/cdrom

[Manu]

Hi

I have a problem
following an update today, I do not have access to my
CDROM in nautilus as well as my burner in Eroaster
I looked in /dev
and I cannot see either my /dev/hdc (CDRW) and
/dev/hdd (DVD) or /dev/cdrom 

is this a problem with the Kernel? What should I do?
I see them at the startup being assigned to HDC and
HDD but there is nothing in /dev

I use Kernel 2.6.6 and gnome 2.6

Thanks

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Re: NETGEAR MA311 802.11b Wireless PCI Network Adapter Card

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 12:08:35 +0200
Frederik Dannemare <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

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> On Thursday 08 July 2004 15:46, Frederik Dannemare wrote:
> On Wednesday 07 July 2004 05:40, Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> >> I know this card is supported under Linux, and debian, but...
> >>
> >> What is involved in getting this card found/configured under Sarge?
> >> Specifically under the new net install cdrom?
> >>
> >> A lady friend is seriously considering letting me move her off of
> >> windos and onto debian. The hangup is this wifi card. I don't ant
> >to> spend all day trying to get this piece of hardware working,
> >unless I> absolutely have to.
> >
> > Don't know how the new installer handles wifi, but this is more or
> > less what you should do to get the netgear ma311 working:
> >
> > apt-get install hostap-utils hostap-source wireless-tools hotplug
> > echo "alias wlan0 hostap_cs" >/etc/modutils/hostap 
> 
> Should have said _pci, not _cs. Thus:
> echo "alias wlan0 hostap_pci" >/etc/modutils/hostap
> 
> > update-modules
> >
> > Ensure that you have a wlan0 section in /etc/network/interfaces...
> >
> > iwconfig wlan0 essid foobar
> > iwconfig wlan0 mode managed
> 
> Did you get it to work, btw?
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Actually I missed the first reply to this message, not sure how or why..
I know have this email printed out so I can try.

Thanks

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kde3.2.2-1 no sound sarge

[carex]

Hello,

When I boot witk kernel-2.6.3-1 the sound in kde works.

When I boot with kernel-2.6.6-1 the sound in kde does NOT work at all.

I am using the kernel-image from Debian.  (not compiled by me !)

Any idea what it could be ?

best regards
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diald.defaults diald.options in diald 0.99.4-5

[petereasthope]

Users of diald,

System: Debian Woody
Package: diald 0.99.4-5

The manual pages for diald and dialdexamples refer
to the configuration file diald.options.  Documentation
files do not mention diald.defaults.

Installation includes /etc/diald/diald.defaults but
there is no diald.options.

/etc/init.d/diald mentions both diald.defaults and
diald.options.

diald does does not work.

Can anyone illuminate the configuration of diald
in this context?

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Sawfish kills gnome panel keybindings

[Neilen Marais]

Hi!

I'm using sarge, with the current gnome2 packages. When I run sawfish,
alt-f1 and alt-f2 stop working for popping up the gnome menu, and
gome-run command. I do have a bunch of custom keybindings defined in
sawfish, but none of them use alt-f1 or alt-f2. Deleting my .sawfish
directory and starting over does'nt help either. Running meta-city
instead of sawfish returns the alt-f1/f2 function, but I prefer sawfish.
Can anyone advise?

Thanks
Neilen
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Re: Thttpd and PHP

[Micha Feigin]

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 10:20:02PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> On Sat, 17 Jul 2004 05:08:27 +0300
> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:30:48AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> > > Jacob S. wrote:
> > > 
> > > >I'm afraid I'm not familiar with thttpd, but here are some things I
> > > >would check. 
> > > >
> > > >1) Is there anything in the config file that tells thttpd what file
> > > >extensions should be treated as .cgis? You will probably want to
> > > >add php to this list.
> > > >
> > > This might work::
> > > 
> > > cgipat=*.php
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't think that php can run as cgi. I seem to recall though some
> > php support through cgi (you run the php page through a cgi to process
> > it). You should look at that option.
> 
> I'm sorry? Do you mean it can't run as a cgi when the webserver is
> thttpd? 
> 

Looks like I misunderstood you. I though you meant to run the php page
itself as cgi, not the php support. What you need is to run php support
as cgi and then run the php pages through that.

IIRC thttpd doesn't have support for doing that double redirection
directly though, I think you will need to setup the link properly in the
first place (Its need about 4 years since I messed around with thttpd
though so don't take my word for it).

> Because php can definitely run as a cgi - which is why there is a
> package in Debian called php4-cgi. I've found it to be great for testing
> an occasional script on my desktop, before uploading it to the server.
> I've also seen others mention using it for the purpose of having scripts
> run under a different username from apache, using Apache's SuExec
> feature.
> 
> I may be misunderstanding what you were trying to say though.
> 
> HTH,
> Jacob
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Re: Installing a downloaded .deb ?

[Cheryl Homiak]

When you do the dpkg -i whatever.deb
you must of course do it as root. And you only use ./ if you are in the 
same directory to which it was downloaded. If you downloaded into 
/home/whateveryourusername[is as root you do dpkg -i 
/home/whateveryourusernameis/whatever.deb. If you see dependency error 
messages and it doesn't install, you will have to obtain the missing 
packages cited. Only go download a .deb when there's some reason you can't 
apt-get it, in my opinion.

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Re: Installing a downloaded .deb ?

[RickTaylor]

http://annys.eines.info/cgi-bin/man/man2html?8+dpkg

> Hi, I'm familiar with
> 
> apt-get install blahblah.deb
> 
> but having downloaded 'blahblah.deb'
> 
> how do I now install ?
> 
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Re: firewire, iPod and Linux

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

On Fri, Jul 16, 2004 at 04:13:51PM -0700, Erik Steffl wrote:
> Emma Jane Hogbin wrote:
> >Ok, this worked (yay!!) but it is read-only. I found a document which said
> >the partition may need to be cleaned first on a Mac, but I tried this and
> >it didn't help.
> 
>   I didn't have to clean anything on mac (I don't even have access to a 
> Mac)
> 
>   what happens if you explicitly try to mount the partition as rw:
> 
> mount -t hfsplus -w /dev/sda3 /mnt/ipod

Same thing...it's still read-only.

>   do you have a line in /etc/fstab for ipod? (if yes, does it say ro?) 
> this is what I have in /etc/fstab for ipod:
> /dev/sdb3   /mnt/ipod hfsplus rw,user,noauto 0  0

I haven't been using an entry in my /etc/fstab. I've just been trying to
load it "by hand".

Ths time the iPod ran out of battery while I was trying to work things out
and now I can't umount it and I get the following errors when I try to
read the files:

smeagol:~ 09:13:59 $ ll /mnt/ipod/
ls: /mnt/ipod/Calendars: Input/output error
ls: /mnt/ipod/Contacts: Input/output error
: Input/output error
ls: /mnt/ipod/Notes: Input/output error
total 0
drwxrwxrwx1 99   99  6 Jul 10 10:35 iPod_Control

And I can't properly unmount it anymore. It says:
smeagol:~ 09:15:50 $ sudo umount /mnt/ipod
umount: /mnt/ipod: device is busy


Who knew that winning an iPod would be so difficult. :(

thanks for your help!
emma

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syslog-ng disappears for days?

[Carl Fink]

Yesterday I noticed that no syslog-managed logs had been written to on my
Sarge system for several days.  "ps ax" didn't show any syslog daemon
running.  When I manually started syslog-ng, suddenly it wrote several
hundred K of log entries.

Since I've restarted it (and I've been running "tail -f /var/log/messages"
in an xterm and watching things) syslog-ng has restarted, as I believe it's
supposed to do.

That's syslog-ng version 1.6.2-3.  The changelog indicates it hasn't changed
since March, and the problem occurred in early July, so I don't know how it
could be problem with syslog-ng directly.

Is this something anyone else has noticed?  
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Re: Identify which file uses a specific disk block

[Seneca]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 03:13:50AM -0300, Toshiro wrote:
> Is it possible to identify which file uses a specific disk block?
> 
> My hard disk has a defective block, I'm trying to use partimage to copy the 
> partition to a new disk, but the copy fails when it reaches the bad block.
> I'd like to know the file who uses this block, so I can delete it.

With reiserfs it is possible, and I've done it before.  I think
"debugreiserfs -1 $BLOCKNUM" is the command I used.

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UDMA with 2.6.8-rc1 on a G4pb cdrom

[Elimar Riesebieter]

Hi all,

I am running sid on powerbookG4. How can I speedup the cdrom to
UDMA?

$ /sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hdc

/dev/hdc:

 Model=MATSHITACD-RW CW-8122, FwRev=BA21, SerialNo=
 Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
 RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4 
 DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2 
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 
 AdvancedPM=no
 Drive conforms to: device does not report version: 

 * signifies the current active mode

$ /sbin/hdparm -X66 /dev/hdc

/dev/hdc:
 setting xfermode to 66 (UltraDMA mode2)

$ /sbin/hdparm -i /dev/hdc

/dev/hdc:

 Model=MATSHITACD-RW CW-8122, FwRev=BA21, SerialNo=
 Config={ Fixed Removeable DTR<=5Mbs DTR>10Mbs nonMagnetic }
 RawCHS=0/0/0, TrkSize=0, SectSize=0, ECCbytes=0
 BuffType=unknown, BuffSize=0kB, MaxMultSect=0
 (maybe): CurCHS=0/0/0, CurSects=0, LBA=yes, LBAsects=0
 IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}
 PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4·
 DMA modes:  sdma0 sdma1 sdma2 mdma0 mdma1 *mdma2·
 UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2·
 AdvancedPM=no
 Drive conforms to: device does not report version:·

 * signifies the current active mode

All commands fired as root.

Any sugestions?

Thx

Elimar

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Re: [Debian-User] Security Hole!??

[Mark Janssen]

On Sat, 2004-07-17 at 13:44, Didar Hussain wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I just discovered that the permissions on /root and /home are
> "+rx" to "world". Any user can `cd' and `ls' to /root and 
> /home/!!!
> 
> Its NOT right! I'm using Stable. Should I complain to the
> security team?

On system installation there is a question:

"Do you want world readable home directories Yes/No"

Apparantly the answer to this question was Yes when the system was
installed.

Files that contain critical information in those homedirs are NOT
world-readable by default. Security by obscurity is not the answer.

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Re: recommendation for digital camera

[Wayne Topa]

Monique Y. Mudama([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> On 2004-07-07, Chris Metzler penned:
> >
> > I don't own a digital camera, unfortunately; so take any advice I may
> > give with a block-o-salt.  But I've seen several people here who *do*
> > own digital cameras suggest the purchase of a USB memory card reader.
> > The idea is that regardless of whether a particular camera is or is
> > not compatible with the OS, its memory plopped into a reader will be.
> > This enables you to forget the "compatible with Linux" restriction,
> > and make your purchase choice entirely on whether a camera will take
> > good pictures.
> 
> Late, here, but ... my dad has a Kodak camera and whatever the format
> was, we couldn't get it to read straight off the card on linux *or*
> windows.  We even tried downloading their proprietary viewer app for
> windows, but it kept misbehaving till we gave up.
> 
> I would say, as long as the camera saves straight to JPG, a usb memory
> card reader is the way to go.  I would further say that if the camera
> doesn't save straight to JPG or some other readily-useable format, I
> wouldn't buy it.

I have a Kodak CX4230 digital camera.  I use have been using the
EasyShare Doc to download and erase pictures from it for about 6 months.

There is a USB jack on the camera but I have yet to try that, but will
tomorrow.  

I am using Digikam or gtkam, gphoto2, and hotplug to connect to the
camera in PTP mode.  Gphoto2 works with a 'large' list of cameras.
I also have a memory card but downloading from it in the camera.

I picked this up for abt $80 and the EasyShare dock for another $50.
Works like a champ.

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[Debian-User] Security Hole!??

[Didar Hussain]

Hi,

I just discovered that the permissions on /root and /home are
"+rx" to "world". Any user can `cd' and `ls' to /root and 
/home/!!!

Its NOT right! I'm using Stable. Should I complain to the
security team?

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