smbmount freezes ls only the first time

[Robert William Hutton]

I've been having problems with smbmount.  I've noticed this on both my desktop 
and laptop computers.  Both are running sid, updated regularly.  The symptoms of 
the problem are:

- mount a share (either from samba on a linux server or from a windows server)
- cd to the mount point
- type ls
- ls freezes!
when I do a ps aux, the ls comes up as:
rwh   6288  0.0  0.1  1996  592 pts/6D+   16:29   0:00 ls --color=auto
So it's gone into an uninterruptable sleep, which generally means it's waiting 
on IO.  I can't kill it with ctrl-C or ctrl-\, nor with a kill or kill -9.

Now, here's the kicker.  If I go mount the share elsewhere, it works fine!  I've 
had a bit of a poke around in the logs, but haven't found anything useful.  Is 
there a way that I can increase the debug level of the smbmount process?

Thanks,
Rob.
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gnome-keybinding-properties" -> "Text editing shortcuts" -> "Emacs"

[Kaj Wiik]

Hi!

I have a frequently updated testing distribution and after a recent
upgrade gnome-keybinding-properties -> "Text editing shortcuts" ->
"Emacs" does not have an effect anymore i.e. Emacs keybindings do not
work in e.g. gedit and evolution.

I have tried also with a fresh setup using a test user so the problem
cannot be in my personal settings..

Any clues?

Cheers,

Kaj



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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[blm]

* John L Fjellstad ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Linux is not that, though it could contain some code that is descended
> > from that. Some other OS operating systems (FreeBSD etc) are genetic
> > linux.
> 
> You mean unix.  Didn't the *BSD people remove all AT&T code?
>

The history of UNIX is very interesting and you could find answers to this 
and many other questions on the net.

If memory serves me correct Unix System Labs (part of AT&T), when 
they owned UNIX, took BSDi and Regents of the University of California 
(originators of BSD distribution) to court alleging amongst other things 


"BSDi's claim in their advertising and software license 
 that BSD/386 and the NET/2 code it was derived from 
 "contained no AT&T licensed code" was false, so BSDi 
 was guilty of false advertising and deceptive trade 
 practices. "
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_v._BSDi

The case was settled:

"The case was settled out of court after the judge expressed doubt 
 in the validity of USL's IP, with USL disclaiming interest in the 
 majority of the software that would later be developed into the 
 free BSDs."
-- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USL_v._BSDi

I believe that a copy of the findings from the court case are 
at http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/bsdi/930303.ruling.txt.  
Remeber dmr == Dennis Ritchie and this link appears part of his 
web space http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/.


Ben Marsh


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Re: [linux-audio-user] Virtual Mixing Desk

[RickTaylor]

Olivier,
> > But about color scale squares, just imagine how compact it can get : 8 
> > tracks with 4 levels each, that's 32 little square on a gtk drawing 
> > area. I believe white to black would be very efficient, and rolling over 
> > a level or adjusting it, the status bar would get you some numerical 
> > information.
> 
>  You mean for presets? I'm not quite sure what you mean.

 I think I've figured out what you mean.

 What if you had a larger square with all of the tracks mapped to it... You could 
click to insert a level point and slide it across the gradient to set the volume of 
some parameter. {a set of frequencies which you could determine in some other box}. 
You could map specific frequencies to a specific color and connect all of the dots of 
one color together with beziers... {that way you'd actually be changing the volume of 
intervening tracks with the bezier {adding points would add specific control.} Maybe 
you could drag "frequency gridlines" from the edges like you do in a vector drawing 
program. {Drag them into the square, set the parameters... adjust}

 :} Now that I look at this... the gradiant's sort of beside the point. I suppose it 
would make a nice indicator.

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Re: Linux as Windows Update Server???

[Stefan Drees]

Nicolas Montauban wrote:
I use squid as proxy cache with option:
maximum_object_size 8192 KB
or more
one client go, other get update from proxy
 

does someone know a solution to use linux as an windows update server.
Something like, check local network/ workstations for installed updates
and
install missing updates remotly.
   

Nicolas M.
 

Thanks for your answer, i disabled the caching of *.microsoft.com 
because i got
sometimes problems with it. I install two machines with W2k SP4 and 
start the update, first
runs fine, second tells me there are no needed updates. I thought there 
must be
something cached, so i disabled the caching of *.microsoft.com. Do you 
know that?

Stefan D.
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Re: Bash equivalent to DOS /p

[Chris Bannister]

On Sat, Jul 17, 2004 at 08:00:51AM +0800, John Summerfield wrote:
> 
> >>>Elijah
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>That works for regular output.  However, some programs also emit
> >>error messages onto stderr.  The above command will *not* redirect
> >>error messages into less, so they might mess up the pagination.
> >>To get error messages piped through less, use
> >>
> >>command 2>&1 | less
> >>   
> >>
> >
> >dude! i've been trying to do that for months.  tahnks!
> >
> >as an aside, did /p in DOS redirect stderr, too?  it's been so long
> >...
> > 
> >
> slash-p is specific to the dir command. DOS also has more.
> 
> I'm more familiar with OS/2 where one has to redirect stderr as in the 
> example above. I believe that's also true on Windwoes.
> 
> I suppose for completeness we should mention tee.
> 
> tee writes its stdin to a file (which you name on the commandline) and 
> to stdout. It's useful for keeping a record of events.
> 
> $ apt-get -b source kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 2>&1 | tee building-kernels
> 
> We've also mentioned redirection. These two are different:
> $ apt-get -b source kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 >one 2>&1
> $ apt-get -b source kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 2>&1 >one
> 
> This can be handy too::
> $ apt-get -b source kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 >one 2>two
> 
> and there's always this:
> 
> $ apt-get -b source kernel-image-2.6.6-1-386 >>one 2>>two
> 
> I'll leave you to RTFM to discover what these do and whether I've made 
> any mistakes:-)
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Cheers
> John

# kbdrate
atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like XFree86,
might be trying to access hardware directly.
atkbd.c: Spurious ACK on isa0060/serio0. Some program like XFree86,
might be trying to access hardware directly.
Typematic Rate set to 10.9 cps (delay = 250ms)

How do I get all that output (from kbdrate) into krate.txt.
So far I've only managed to get the last line into krate.txt.

Chris.
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Re: Fonts in Window Maker

[Daniel Figueira]

Rodney D. Myers wrote:
Ah. are you using GTK? GTK2?
If so, look for gtk-theme-switch & gtk-theme-switch2.. Changed the font
behaviour for me, so now I can read the fonts on the screen.
That seemed to do the trick.
I got all fonts to change except Thunderbird and Firefox... I guess 
these dont use gtk...

Thanks a lot Rodney
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Re: xfree4.3.0 with cirrus GD5436 video card

[Chris Bannister]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 06:59:40PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 01:27:55AM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> > Chris Bannister wrote:
> > 
> > >startx from console. I'm not running a session manager.
> > >I get the the gray screen with the cursor in the middle then nothing. 
> > >I have to CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE to get out.
> > >
> > That means that X is starting just fine; you just don't have any X 
> > clients running, particularly a window manager. "apt-get install icewm" 
> > will probably fix it, or you might have to edit/create ~/.xinitrc and 
> > add the line "icewm".
> > 
> > -- 
> > Kent
> 
> Umm, I have ~/.xinitrc with twm in it. I will install ICE though.
> Thought twm would do it. 
> 
> #update-alternatives --display x-window-manager
> x-window-manager - status is auto.
>  link currently points to /usr/X11R6/bin/twm
> /usr/X11R6/bin/twm - priority 40
>  slave x-window-manager.1.gz: /usr/X11R6/man/man1/twm.1x.gz
> Current `best' version is /usr/X11R6/bin/twm.
> 
> Thanks for your help.
> Chris.
> ==

Installed icewm and I can work in X again. I didn't realise twm was
that minimalistic. The errors about my video card are still there 
though. 

Chris.
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Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP

[Micha Feigin]

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 10:13:26AM +0800, csj wrote:
> On 19. July 2004 at 10:46PM -0700,
> Mark e Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > I have just read your article as best I could. I am
> > confused, but not by you but by me.  I have been using Firefox
> > as a browser and Thunderbird as mailbox for about a week and a
> > half now and I love them.  I am thinking about dumping Windows
> > XP because it is a pain, I was looking at Mandrake and
> > ReHat. Debian Woody I have never heard off until five minutes
> > ago.  Is it really hard to understand. Or as I am not a
> > programmer should I even be thinking about using it.  This is a
> > vague letter I know.  What I am asking, I suppose, is would you
> > go for it. Do I have to dump Windows before I start downloading
> > Woody?  Any help in the form of ideas would be wonderful.
> 
> There's just one google search word you need to know if you want
> to try out GNU/Linux: "knoppix"
> 

And if you do decide to go with debian, avoid woody and go with the new
beta installer for sarge. Woody is for servers and it will scare you
right away again (its somewhat old, and although its _very_ stable, it
can be hard to install if you don't know what you are doing).

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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 20:20:20 -0400
Ralph Katz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On 07/20/04 18:40, Paul Yeatman wrote:
> 
> > I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this
> > could be the difference.  Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS
> > drivers? 
> 
> While I'm no expert, I can see mine here on this stock kernel:
> 
> ~$ grep -i oss /boot/config-2.4.25-1-686
> CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m
> CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m
> 
> Just substitute your kernel image config filename.

If you didn't install/compile alsa, and you're not using a 2.6 kernel,
you can pretty much guarantee you're using OSS drivers.
 
> > I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got
> > a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd &') but
> > got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser,
> > trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes.

esdctl unlock allows foreign clients to use esd, according to
/usr/share/doc/esound/html/x119.html.
 
> My flashplayer finally works w/ sound if I killall esd before visiting
> a flash-animated web page.  The freezes are more rare.  But I do not
> hear any sounds from other sources (gaim, for ex.) while the flash
> animation is playing, even with 'esdctl unlock'.

These symptoms are why I thought esdctl unlock might help. Evideintly I
was wrong though.

> See the thread and my post of July 13  Subject: Re: Still no sound in 
> Flash  for more info.
> 
> Bottom line, it doesn't look like an issue of oss vs. alsa.

Right. I tried to avoid saying it was an issue of the drivers, but must
not have done a good enough job. I was running Woody with OSS drivers,
then upgraded to Sarge with OSS drivers and am now using Sarge with
Alsa drivers. In all 3 configurations, I have been able to hear sounds
from xmms, gaim & flash animations at the same time using esd.

> Oh, esd -nobeeps  will be easier on your ears!

True. I prefer hearing that esd did really start and can talk to the
sound card properly, rather than just thinking it started properly and
seeing that there's some kind of esd thing running when I do ps ax. So,
I usually leave off the -nobeeps. Just my preference.

I'm afraid I'm running out of ideas. I don't know of any way to
configure where flash outputs sound, or I would think that would be it.

Jacob

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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 08:53:23PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote:
> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Looks like you missed it a bit here. What you would call a pixel in the
> > raw file is not the same as a pixel in the tiff file.
> 
> Actually, it's close enough.
> 
> > In the raw file you have 4 ccd cells per image pixel (R, G, G, B)
> 
> That's not correct for any Bayer camera I know of.  Specifically not
> correct for the Nikon DSLRs or consumer cameras.
> 
> There's one CCD cell per image pixel, with the exception of the D1x,
> which has a strange layout[1].
> 

There is no way that this can be true physically.

CCD (and CMOS) cells are sensitive to intensity only, they have no color
sensitivity.

They have a color (usually Beyer) mask put over them so that each cell
receives only red, green or blue light. Each four cells are divided into
one red, one blue and two green (this is since the human eye has better
separation for green and square grids are easier to design).

The only thing strange about the D1x is the double resolution on the
horizontal axis which is then interpolated into higher resolution on
the vertical axis. Other then that the color filter is standard.

This is different from how modern film works where the colors are
layered.

As a side note, what could be interesting is if you could disable or
remove the color mask to get 4 times the resolution on B/W pictures.

> > corresponding to the Bayer mask, at 12 bits per cell, which should make
> > that 48 bits per pixel, which in turn should make the file
> > approximately twice the size of the standard tiff (I think NEF files
> > are actually tiff files with some undocumented extensions IIRC).
> 
> Correct, NEF files use a TIFF container.
> 
> As for sizes, TIFFs from the camera really are about twice the size
> of uncompressed RAW.[2]  If you really want, I can provide pics taken
> in each mode.
> 

That could be interesting, but wouldn't tell me anything. I need to
look at the code that converts them to see what it does.

> > The compression option probably lets you chose between lossy and
> > lossless compression and not uncompressed versus compressed, but its just
> > a wild guess.
> 
> The D1x allows a choice between uncompressed and compressed[2].  The
> D70 does not.[3]  Neither allow you to choose lossiness.  The above
> link explains the loss of detail.
> 
> (You're guessing.  I've got the camera.)
> 

I just don't see what would explain the sizes, unless the camera is
dropping information or storing extra information in the tiff, or just
packs it badly in the tiff.

I don't have the time to look into it at the moment through.

> > I will have to read the code or the specs for dcraw.c (hope I got the
> > name right) to give you an exact answer to this.
> 
> See [3], where they did.  There's also more info in the D1scussion
> archive[4] which is unfortunately available only to members.
> 
> > IIRC most relevant filters are already there or available, and I don't
> > like the magic filters of 'simple user' software anyway since it
> > usually doesn't do what I need (don't know Nikon Capture so I may be
> > way off the mark here).
> 
> Yep, you're way off.
> 
> For example, NC offers:
> 
> * Autoremoval of sensor dust from images, given a reference.  
> 
> * Fisheye-to-rectilinear with some lenses.
> 
> * Vignette control, to increase or decrease vignetting.  It knows the
>   properties of the lens you used.  Very cool.
> 
> * Lets you adjust exposure by standard EV values
> 
> * Easy highlight/shadow adjustments.  Really, really easy.[5]
> 

Sounds interesting.

> Now, you _can_ do all of this with the gimp.  But it's a more manual
> work.  NC lets you work on thumbnails, set image settings, then batch
> convert.  And you're limited in your plugin choice because you have to
> use filmgimp to get 16-bit color, to take full advantage of the extra
> range in the files.  Or, use the RawPhoto plugin and fiddle with
> settings before actually converting it into 8-bit per channel, but
> then you're severely limited in your available modifications.[6]
> 
> Footnotes: 
> [1]  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/
> 
> [2]  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page15.asp
> 
> [3]  http://www.majid.info/mylos/weblog/2004/05/02-1.html
> 
> [4]  http://www.juergenspecht.com/d1scussion/#13
> 
> [5]  http://www.lonestardigital.com/digital_dee.htm
> 
> [6]  http://ptj.rozeta.com.pl/Soft/RawPhoto
> 
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Solved: Re: nvidia 6106 & kernel 2.6.7--X...

[Kenward Vaughan]

On Sun, Jul 18, 2004 at 02:00:14PM -0700, Kenward Vaughan wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I'm taking the plunge into 2.6 territory and just rolled my first 2.6.7
> last night.  I used the latest available Sid components for the nvidia
> driver module (6106), including nvidia-glx. module-init-tools has been
...

The problem stemmed from the /etc/init.d/nvidia-glx script not being
updated by either the package or myself.  I had not thought about that
as a point where trouble could arise.  The older script was hard-coded
for the older driver, rather than being more generic in design like the
newer script.  The tls libs were never set up properly as a result.

I have filed a bug report against nvidia-glx suggesting a change in the
management of this.


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Re: [linux-audio-user] Mellotron

[RickTaylor]

Ryan,
> It's not *impossible* I bet someone with a lot of patience could set
> some reasonable loop points.  The mellotron is a neat sounding
> instrument, I'd be really excited to have digital copies of the original
> tape loops.  But each of these key presses is about a minute long and
> the mellotron has a real "dynamic" sound so getting a loop that doesn't
> sound like a "broken record" or abrupt buzz will be hard.

It would be nice if you could serve to this from other applications... That way you 
could just define a clip or selection on whatever timeline you happen to be using and 
send it to the Mellotron emulation for further processing {which you could write back 
to the timeline or to disk or simply play in the Mellotron.} 


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Re: [linux-audio-user] Virtual Mixing Desk

[RickTaylor]

Stefan,
> that sounds almost like blenders "slide buttons" .> 
> they basically like that (if it doesn't get mangled):
> 
> /\
> |<   0.800  >|
> \/ 
> 
> you can:
> a: click on the edges to change the value step by step (ctrl+click for 
> larger steps)
> b: click and move your mouse to change the value (limitable with  )
> c:  click to enter a value manually
> 
> say anything you want about blenders interface but these buttons rock :D

 I like Blender's {Combustion's, Jahshaka's} interface. It's pleasant to look at and 
hides a huge amount of functionality in a very small space. I like numbers as well... 
they give you actual information rather than an arbitrary relative placement on a 
slider or an arbitrary 1 through 1o. Knobs are just a pain in general} 

 I like the "outline view" settings in Max as well. {Or emacs's "customize" view... 
Stuff you use a lot is on top... other stuff is easy to get to. Short definitions and 
examples are right there for you as you navigate through stuff and you have easy 
access to several different searches and help formats}

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Re: [linux-audio-user] Virtual Mixing Desk

[RickTaylor]

> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> >  How 'bout those little number like they use in high endish graphics programs?
> >  ...Where you have a row of numbers that it looks like they pulled out of a slot 
> > machine and you can either click on them and enter a new number, use the up and 
> > down arrows on the side or click and move your mouse in one direction or the other 
> > to change the numbers.
> >  I like the idea of mapping the audio frequency to a corresponding color frequency 
> > as well... Maybe you could have the numbers or a border around the numbers change 
> > color?
> 
> He, yeah, the good old gtk spin button... The problem is there is no 
> "click and move" behaviour AFAIK. That'd be great, this requires having 
> a little button between the up and down arrow, which you press to obtain 
> the same effect as a knob.

 I guess I'm spoiled... I try to do this with everything. {Unfortunately, it doesn't 
work with everything} It is a very nice bit of functionality.

> But about color scale squares, just imagine how compact it can get : 8 
> tracks with 4 levels each, that's 32 little square on a gtk drawing 
> area. I believe white to black would be very efficient, and rolling over 
> a level or adjusting it, the status bar would get you some numerical 
> information.

 You mean for presets? I'm not quite sure what you mean.

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Re: Fonts in Window Maker

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:36:23 -0300
Daniel Figueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Rodney D. Myers wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:17:07 -0300
> >Daniel Figueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Is it possible to change the font size in Window Maker?
> >>Im referring to the font that appears in menus, buttons, etc.
> >>If read about wsetfont, but that apparentely only changes the font
> >and>
> >>
> >For the fonts, background, etc, you need to look at the file "style'.
> >Peruse through that, and change the font size, or whatever.
> >
> >  
> >
> Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My themes work fine and they
> change fonts on window titlebars, menu from when I click on the
> desktop background, etc., but the font inside the programs, the one
> from the Menu: "File" "Edit" "View" "Help", etc. doesn't change. Maybe
> its not even a Window Maker font... I'm not sure...
> 

Ah. are you using GTK? GTK2?

If so, look for gtk-theme-switch & gtk-theme-switch2.. Changed the font
behaviour for me, so now I can read the fonts on the screen.

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Re: Fonts in Window Maker

[Daniel Figueira]

Rodney D. Myers wrote:
On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:17:07 -0300
Daniel Figueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

Is it possible to change the font size in Window Maker?
Im referring to the font that appears in menus, buttons, etc.
If read about wsetfont, but that apparentely only changes the font and
   

For the fonts, background, etc, you need to look at the file "style'.
Peruse through that, and change the font size, or whatever.
 

Sorry if I didn't make myself clear. My themes work fine and they change 
fonts on window titlebars, menu from when I click on the desktop 
background, etc., but the font inside the programs, the one from the 
Menu: "File" "Edit" "View" "Help", etc. doesn't change. Maybe its not 
even a Window Maker font... I'm not sure...

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Re: Fonts in Window Maker

[Rodney D. Myers]

On Wed, 21 Jul 2004 00:17:07 -0300
Daniel Figueira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is it possible to change the font size in Window Maker?
> Im referring to the font that appears in menus, buttons, etc.
> If read about wsetfont, but that apparentely only changes the font and
> 
> not the size. Am I correct? Looks like helvetica is the default font.
> My fonts just look way too big.
> 
> Thank you
> 

Sure is. Depending on the "theme" you're using, look in the
~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Themes directory for a local themes. Or
search your system for the WindowMaker default themes.

For the fonts, background, etc, you need to look at the file "style'.
Peruse through that, and change the font size, or whatever.

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Fonts in Window Maker

[Daniel Figueira]

Is it possible to change the font size in Window Maker?
Im referring to the font that appears in menus, buttons, etc.
If read about wsetfont, but that apparentely only changes the font and 
not the size. Am I correct? Looks like helvetica is the default font.
My fonts just look way too big.

Thank you
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Kernel 2.6.7-1 & NVIDIA Trouble

[Kevin C. Smith]

Running Debian Sid
Upgrade from kernel 2.4 to kernel 2.6.7-1, and recent nvidia driver.
I have noted a "stutter" every few seconds when playing OpenGL games.

So far the only thing I've noted is this:

# xdpyinfo | grep GLX
GLX
NV-GLX

I'm missing "NVIDIA-GLX"

Thoughts?

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Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP

[csj]

On 19. July 2004 at 10:46PM -0700,
Mark e Plummer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have just read your article as best I could. I am
> confused, but not by you but by me.  I have been using Firefox
> as a browser and Thunderbird as mailbox for about a week and a
> half now and I love them.  I am thinking about dumping Windows
> XP because it is a pain, I was looking at Mandrake and
> ReHat. Debian Woody I have never heard off until five minutes
> ago.  Is it really hard to understand. Or as I am not a
> programmer should I even be thinking about using it.  This is a
> vague letter I know.  What I am asking, I suppose, is would you
> go for it. Do I have to dump Windows before I start downloading
> Woody?  Any help in the form of ideas would be wonderful.

There's just one google search word you need to know if you want
to try out GNU/Linux: "knoppix"


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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Alan Shutko]

Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Looks like you missed it a bit here. What you would call a pixel in the
> raw file is not the same as a pixel in the tiff file.

Actually, it's close enough.

> In the raw file you have 4 ccd cells per image pixel (R, G, G, B)

That's not correct for any Bayer camera I know of.  Specifically not
correct for the Nikon DSLRs or consumer cameras.

There's one CCD cell per image pixel, with the exception of the D1x,
which has a strange layout[1].

> corresponding to the Bayer mask, at 12 bits per cell, which should make
> that 48 bits per pixel, which in turn should make the file
> approximately twice the size of the standard tiff (I think NEF files
> are actually tiff files with some undocumented extensions IIRC).

Correct, NEF files use a TIFF container.

As for sizes, TIFFs from the camera really are about twice the size
of uncompressed RAW.[2]  If you really want, I can provide pics taken
in each mode.

> The compression option probably lets you chose between lossy and
> lossless compression and not uncompressed versus compressed, but its just
> a wild guess.

The D1x allows a choice between uncompressed and compressed[2].  The
D70 does not.[3]  Neither allow you to choose lossiness.  The above
link explains the loss of detail.

(You're guessing.  I've got the camera.)

> I will have to read the code or the specs for dcraw.c (hope I got the
> name right) to give you an exact answer to this.

See [3], where they did.  There's also more info in the D1scussion
archive[4] which is unfortunately available only to members.

> IIRC most relevant filters are already there or available, and I don't
> like the magic filters of 'simple user' software anyway since it
> usually doesn't do what I need (don't know Nikon Capture so I may be
> way off the mark here).

Yep, you're way off.

For example, NC offers:

* Autoremoval of sensor dust from images, given a reference.  

* Fisheye-to-rectilinear with some lenses.

* Vignette control, to increase or decrease vignetting.  It knows the
  properties of the lens you used.  Very cool.

* Lets you adjust exposure by standard EV values

* Easy highlight/shadow adjustments.  Really, really easy.[5]

Now, you _can_ do all of this with the gimp.  But it's a more manual
work.  NC lets you work on thumbnails, set image settings, then batch
convert.  And you're limited in your plugin choice because you have to
use filmgimp to get 16-bit color, to take full advantage of the extra
range in the files.  Or, use the RawPhoto plugin and fiddle with
settings before actually converting it into 8-bit per channel, but
then you're severely limited in your available modifications.[6]

Footnotes: 
[1]  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/

[2]  http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/nikond1x/page15.asp

[3]  http://www.majid.info/mylos/weblog/2004/05/02-1.html

[4]  http://www.juergenspecht.com/d1scussion/#13

[5]  http://www.lonestardigital.com/digital_dee.htm

[6]  http://ptj.rozeta.com.pl/Soft/RawPhoto

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Re: DVD Writing HOW TO

[csj]

On 19. July 2004 at 6:32PM -0500,
Patrick Albuquerque <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> > Hi ppl, got to put a dvd rw and cd-rw working in the same
> > computer, i have allready a cd-rw working but have no clue
> > where to start with the dvd rw, i have install the dvdplusrw
> > package, by the way im runing woody, but the docs are not as
> > clear as I need them. In some places it talks about a kernel
> > patch but in others it claims that it can be done without
> > one.  Does any one knows a good howto to go streight to the
> > dvd rw config, I only need it to write data no video o
> > anything else.

The kernel patch isn't necessary if you'd just like the dvd
writer to work like an "oversized" cd writer.  I think you need
the patch if you want to do something like "cp file
/mnt/dvd/". The debian package has been renamed dvd+rw-tools
in testing and unstable.

> Works ok for me with stock 2.6 kernel.
> 
> # growisofs -Z /dev/scd0/ -R -J ~/backup

This also works without ide-scsi emulation (ide-cd interface):

$ growisofs -Z /dev/hdd -R -J ~/backup

> See http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW


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Re: via82cxxx

[csj]

On 20. July 2004 at 4:19PM +0200,
Frank Mulder <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> I can see 'snd_rawmidi' and 'snd_seq_device', so I think it
> >> should work.  Any hints to make it work?
> >
> >You're lacking snd-seq-oss, the OSS compatibility module for
> >the ALSA sequencer.
> 
> Thank you for replying. I have now tried this:
> 
> modprobe snd-seq-oss, but it gives an error:
> 
> FATAL: Error inserting snd_seq_oss
> (/lib/modules/2.6.3-1-386/kernel/sound/core/seq/oss/snd-seq-oss.ko):
> Device or resource busy

I dohn't know about the error.  But I think you need to fire up
timidity (or maybe fluidsynth) ALSA will then direct the midi
events to timidity for software synthesis. I don't think the
onboard sound comes with hardwarde midi capability.


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RE: Is Linux Unix?

[Steven Jones]

Working in a MS, Solaris, Linux, Tru64 shop, I find that for the vast majority of our 
servers the usability of Linux is as good as Unix if not better. While Unix might have 
high end bits Linux lacks for 95% of the world's servers that small missing % I 
suspect is not an issue.

regards

thing

-Original Message-
From: Simon Kitching [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 1:31 p.m.
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: Is Linux Unix?


On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 13:16, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 08:35:11AM +1200, Steven Jones wrote:
> > hehand at the rate Linux is taking over Unix space he like RISC based Unix 
> > will be going the way of the dodo.
> > 
> > ;]
> > 
> > Considering how many "Unixes" run Open source applications and utilities I find it 
> laughable that ppl can look down on Linux. Simple answer is Linux is not Unix 
> because its better 
> (or going to be). From an operational point of view I have found that there is 
> little Unix can do
> that Linux cannot, and certainly plenty Linux can do that Unix cannot, kernel 
> compatibility and 
> cost effective hardware see to that.

The LWN report on the first day of the Linux Kernel Summit gives a very
interesting perspective on what Unix can do that Linux still can't. If
you're an LWN subscriber, the article is available now. For
non-subscribers, it will be available for free next week. See
http://lwn.net.

The projects at www.osdl.org (Linus Torvald's current employer) also
give an interesting perspective on the features Linux still needs in
order to catch up with commercial unix in some areas.

Of course in many areas it kicks commercial linux. I have to work on AIX
as well as linux, and there's many times a day I wish this was a pure
linux shop.

Regards,

Simon



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Installing on Inspiron 2600

[Michael]

I'm trying to install Debian on a Dell Inspiron 2600.  I've got the latest
BIOS and tried both woody and the sarge debian-installer, as well as used
the oapic, aic7xxx=no_probe, and video=vga16:off options.  No matter what
I do, every time I get to the point where it says md driver 0.36.6
MAX_MD_DEV=4, MAX_REAL=8 and the computer hangs.  Does anybody have any
suggestions?  Thank you.
Michael


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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Simon Kitching]

On Wed, 2004-07-21 at 13:16, Paul E Condon wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 08:35:11AM +1200, Steven Jones wrote:
> > hehand at the rate Linux is taking over Unix space he like RISC based Unix 
> > will be going the way of the dodo.
> > 
> > ;]
> > 
> > Considering how many "Unixes" run Open source applications and utilities I find it 
> laughable that ppl can look down on Linux. Simple answer is Linux is not Unix 
> because its better 
> (or going to be). From an operational point of view I have found that there is 
> little Unix can do
> that Linux cannot, and certainly plenty Linux can do that Unix cannot, kernel 
> compatibility and 
> cost effective hardware see to that.

The LWN report on the first day of the Linux Kernel Summit gives a very
interesting perspective on what Unix can do that Linux still can't. If
you're an LWN subscriber, the article is available now. For
non-subscribers, it will be available for free next week. See
http://lwn.net.

The projects at www.osdl.org (Linus Torvald's current employer) also
give an interesting perspective on the features Linux still needs in
order to catch up with commercial unix in some areas.

Of course in many areas it kicks commercial linux. I have to work on AIX
as well as linux, and there's many times a day I wish this was a pure
linux shop.

Regards,

Simon



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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul E Condon]

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 08:35:11AM +1200, Steven Jones wrote:
> hehand at the rate Linux is taking over Unix space he like RISC based Unix will 
> be going the way of the dodo.
> 
> ;]
> 
> Considering how many "Unixes" run Open source applications and utilities I find it 
> laughable that ppl can look down on Linux. Simple answer is Linux is not Unix 
> because its better (or going to be). From an operational point of view I have found 
> that there is little Unix can do that Linux cannot, and certainly plenty Linux can 
> do that Unix cannot, kernel compatibility and cost effective hardware see to that.
> 
> regards
> 
> Thing
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Ryo Furue [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wednesday, 21 July 2004 7:42 a.m.
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Is Linux Unix?
> 
> 
> John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> > I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?
> 
> This question makes me laugh (no offense to you) because it reminds me (and
> would remind many people who frequent(ed) comp.unix.admin) of a certain person,
> who would never fail to be offended, saying "Linux is not Unix" as if it were an
> mantra, whenever an innocent poster asks a question about Linux in comp.unix.admin.
> If you are intrested, seach the google groups with "Rev Don McDonald Unix
> Linux".  He was very derisive toward Linux and fierce enough in repeating the
> mantra to scare novices off and to be quite notorious to the frequenters.
> 

Long ago, when my brother Joe worked at Bell Labs, there were only two
Unixen.  He told me that some of his friends at work referred to them,
not as AT&T Unix and Berkeley Unix, but as Sunni Unix and Shia Unix
because of the passion with which advocates on both sides argued that
the other Unix was *wrong*. The passionate advocacy, still colors the
issue of "what is Unix?", but the players have changed. Perhaps we can
agree the Unix is not Windows.

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Re: Backup to DVD

[Robert William Hutton]

Marcus wrote:
Can anyone recommend a backup program which can write to DVD?
tar cvzf .tar.gz 
burn this to DVD, optionally using "split" if the file is too large for a single
DVD.
I'd like to backup my entire deb installation (4-5 GB) and be able to snap it
back into place from DVD. I last used Mondobackup, but it only does CDs
AFAIK, and that can take ages on CDRWs at 10-speed. Norton Ghost 2003 fails
backing up Linux for me :-(
Instead of Norton Ghost, try partimage.  You can boot from a knoppix CD to make 
this doubly convenient.  The joy of knoppix is it sets up all your networking so 
that you can copy the image to a mounted network share.  This makes frigging 
with DOS boot disks seem so obviously like the anachnonism that it is.

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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:17:54PM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote:
> Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> 
> > Some cameras actually compress the raw data BTW. I think Nikon does
> > that since nef (raw) output takes less space then tiff output.
> 
> On some Nikon cameras they are compressed using a "visually lossless"
> algorithm.  Some recent posts on the D1scussion group indicate that it
> reduces the effective bit depth from 12 bits to 9.  Ick.  My camera
> has a toggle to select compressed or uncompressed, but I don't
> believe the lower-end ones do.  
> 
> But even the uncompressed ones can be smaller than TIFFs, since they
> only log 12 bits per pixel, where the TIFFs are 8 bits per color per
> pixel.  So uncompressed should be about half the size.  (This is
> because each pixel is only R, G, or B straight from the CCD.)
> 

Looks like you missed it a bit here. What you would call a pixel in the
raw file is not the same as a pixel in the tiff file.

In the tiff file you have three colors per pixel (R,G,B) and 8 bits per
color, that would make it 24 bits per pixel.

In the raw file you have 4 ccd cells per image pixel (R, G, G, B)
corresponding to the Bayer mask, at 12 bits per cell, which should make
that 48 bits per pixel, which in turn should make the file
approximately twice the size of the standard tiff (I think NEF files
are actually tiff files with some undocumented extensions IIRC).

The compression option probably lets you chose between lossy and
lossless compression and not uncompressed versus compressed, but its just
a wild guess.

I will have to read the code or the specs for dcraw.c (hope I got the
name right) to give you an exact answer to this.

> > There is also a plugin that allows using draw to open the raw files
> > directly in the gimp. That should rival the Nikon capture software.
> 
> In terms of quality (assuming a 16bit/color gimp), yes.  In terms of
> ease, no, since Nikon Capture has a lot of prepackaged actions which
> do exactly what a photographer wants to do, and the gimp doesn't.  Of
> course, they could be added... 8^)

IIRC most relevant filters are already there or available, and I don't
like the magic filters of 'simple user' software anyway since it
usually doesn't do what I need (don't know Nikon Capture so I may be
way off the mark here).

> 
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Smith]

%% John Summerfield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  js> and another
  js> http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
  js> It is not ready for production use, as there are still many bugs and
  js> missing features.

While not ready for production, it is bootable and working in a
developer/hacker/early adopter kind of way.

If you're bored with tweaking your Linux-based Debian box and want to
play with/try out something funky and new, GNU/Hurd is (I think) ready
for that.  But keep your Linux partitions around for work time :).

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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Ralph Katz]

On 07/20/04 18:40, Paul Yeatman wrote:
I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this
could be the difference.  Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS
drivers? 
While I'm no expert, I can see mine here on this stock kernel:
~$ grep -i oss /boot/config-2.4.25-1-686
CONFIG_CHR_DEV_OSST=m
CONFIG_SOUND_OSS=m
Just substitute your kernel image config filename.
I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got
a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd &') but
got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser,
trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes.
My flashplayer finally works w/ sound if I killall esd before visiting a
flash-animated web page.  The freezes are more rare.  But I do not hear 
any sounds from other sources (gaim, for ex.) while the flash animation 
is playing, even with 'esdctl unlock'.

See the thread and my post of July 13  Subject: Re: Still no sound in 
Flash  for more info.

Bottom line, it doesn't look like an issue of oss vs. alsa.
Oh, esd -nobeeps  will be easier on your ears!
Here's my config file if it's any help:
$ cat /etc/esound/esd.conf
[esd]
auto_spawn=1
spawn_options=-terminate -nobeeps -as 5
spawn_wait_ms=100
Regards,
Ralph
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Re: [SLUG] Re: Helix install from *bin files

[James Ponza]

do you have the gcc version that is specified in the file name?


On Monday 19 July 2004 13:51, Adam Bogacki wrote:
> I think I may have a corrupted download.
>
> > Tux:/home# chmod a+x hxplay*
> > Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> > bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: cannot
> > execute binary file
>
> I'll try downloading again in the near future - does anyone have any
> better ideas ?
>
> Adam Bogacki,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> Ryan Gammon wrote:
> > Hi Adam,
> >
> > You probably have to make that file executable first, eg:
> > chmod a+x realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >
> > Adam Bogacki wrote:
> >> Hi, I've just downloaded hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >> and
> >> realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin
> >> but I find this happening ...
> >>
> >>> Tux:/home# ./realplay*
> >>> bash: ./realplay-0.4.0.186-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin:
> >>> Permission denied
> >>> Tux:/home# ./hxplay*
> >>> bash: ./hxplay-0.4.0.187-linux-2.2-libc6-gcc32-i586.bin: Permission
> >>> denied
> >>> Tux:/home#
> >>
> >> I'm in my root account here.
> >>
> >> What am I missing ? [It's probably obvious but I've had a long day.]
> >>
> >> Sorry for bothering you guys.
> >>
> >> Adam Bogacki,
> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> >>
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Commpriv-admin mailing list
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Backup to DVD

[Marcus]

Can anyone recommend a backup program which can write to DVD?

I'd like to backup my entire deb installation (4-5 GB) and be able to snap it back 
into place from DVD. I last used Mondobackup, but it only does CDs AFAIK, and that can 
take ages on CDRWs at 10-speed. Norton Ghost 2003 fails backing up Linux for me :-(

Thanks,

Marcus


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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[John Summerfield]

John Summerfield wrote:
Results 1 - 100 of 129,000 English pages from debian.org for HURD.
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Adebian.org%20HURD&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Results 1 - 100 of 57,300 English pages from gnu.org
http://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Agnu.org%20HURD&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8
I followed up one of the links:
http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/history.html
... the FSF started developing the Hurd in 1990.
and another
http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html
It is not ready for production use, as there are still many bugs and 
missing features.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[John Summerfield]

Antonio Rodriguez wrote:
can someone say what the status of HURD is? No much talk about it
lately. there used to be a link to it in the main debian page, and
another in the gnu.org main page, that i can't find anymore.
 

Results 1 - 100 of 129,000 English pages from debian.org for HURD.
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Antonio Rodriguez]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:06:38PM -0400, Greg Folkert wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 13:39, Paul Tsai wrote:
> > Niels L. Ellegaard wrote:
> > >John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>
> 
> GNU == GNU is Not Unix, GNU was synonymous with HURD... Well we shall
> all be switching to it RSN, 2001 is coming faster than you can imagine.
> 
> Debian Linux is as close to GNU/Linux as you can get. Debian chose to
> name itself that. Many other distros DO NOT USE this nomenclature.
> 

can someone say what the status of HURD is? No much talk about it
lately. there used to be a link to it in the main debian page, and
another in the gnu.org main page, that i can't find anymore.


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Re: Nagios vs Netsaint

[Jeremy T. Bouse]

In short, nope. I'm on the plugin development team which is
separate from the development team for Nagios itself. I've actually not
had any look at the nagios-mysql or -postgresql tables and whether or
not they were indexed or optomized. I can only speculate it was not
given a high priority at the time and would suggest making your
suggestions through a bug report on the Nagios SourceForge project.

Regards,
Jeremy

On Wed, Jul 21, 2004 at 12:17:01AM +0200, Jacob Friis Larsen wrote:
> I chose nagios-mysql.
> 
> Do you know why no tables have indexes?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jacob


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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Alan Shutko]

Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Some cameras actually compress the raw data BTW. I think Nikon does
> that since nef (raw) output takes less space then tiff output.

On some Nikon cameras they are compressed using a "visually lossless"
algorithm.  Some recent posts on the D1scussion group indicate that it
reduces the effective bit depth from 12 bits to 9.  Ick.  My camera
has a toggle to select compressed or uncompressed, but I don't
believe the lower-end ones do.  

But even the uncompressed ones can be smaller than TIFFs, since they
only log 12 bits per pixel, where the TIFFs are 8 bits per color per
pixel.  So uncompressed should be about half the size.  (This is
because each pixel is only R, G, or B straight from the CCD.)

> There is also a plugin that allows using draw to open the raw files
> directly in the gimp. That should rival the Nikon capture software.

In terms of quality (assuming a 16bit/color gimp), yes.  In terms of
ease, no, since Nikon Capture has a lot of prepackaged actions which
do exactly what a photographer wants to do, and the gimp doesn't.  Of
course, they could be added... 8^)

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[John Summerfield]

Matthias Czapla wrote:
because the latter provides the API and utitilities only on top of a
completely different operating system. I don't know OS/2 though.
 

OS/2 is a DOS-family OS. Better by far than Windows, but that kind of thing.
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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Paul Yeatman]

Hi and thanks so much for the reply.

->>In response to your message<<-
  --received from Jacob S.--

> That's odd. I'm using esd on my system (previously with OSS drivers, now
> with Alsa) and I can hear sound from flash just fine; as well as play
> xmms at the same time, etc.

I'm fairly sure the system is using esd with OSS drivers so this
could be the difference.  Well, actually, how do I confirm OSS
drivers?  The correct sound module, cmpci, is getting loaded.  That's
typically what I think of as the driver.  Where/how does OSS come in.
I for sure don't have ALSA installed.  I didn't do any sound
configuration myself.  The build correctly identified the sound card and
loads the correct module with no configuration/help needed on my part
(a nice difference from previous builds of Debian :)

> 
> What happens if you kill any existing esd instances, run "esd &" from a
> terminal in X (assuming you're logged in as a user, not root) and then
> run "esdctl unlock"? Are you able to play both xmms and flash sounds?
> Also, you are using the esd output plugin in xmms, aren't you?
> 

I have no idea what 'esdctl unlock' does but I did as you said (got
a series of increasing pitch tones when I ran 'esd &') but
got the same result: xmms et al. work fine, while the browser,
trying to employ the flash plugin, incurably freezes.

Maybe I should try esd employing ALSA drivers?

Paul


>
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:04:27 -0700
> Paul Yeatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Hi again.  I'm responding to my own post.  It wasn't until today,
> > weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on
> > concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system.
> > The problem appears to be with esd.  Esd (appears to be ) used by
> > default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in.  This
> > works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc.  The only case in which
> > it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web
> > browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast.  I
> > feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before
> > going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without
> > sound.  If "auto_spawn=0" is changed to "1" in /etc/esound/esd.conf
> > and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will
> > automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with
> > sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash
> > completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5
> > seconds in my case).  This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it?
> > Can anyone help me out with what is going on here?  As all other
> > audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the initial esd
> > process started by gnome, why can't flash?  Should I force gnome to
> > use something other than esd?
> 
> That's odd. I'm using esd on my system (previously with OSS drivers, now
> with Alsa) and I can hear sound from flash just fine; as well as play
> xmms at the same time, etc.
> 
> What happens if you kill any existing esd instances, run "esd &" from a
> terminal in X (assuming you're logged in as a user, not root) and then
> run "esdctl unlock"? Are you able to play both xmms and flash sounds?
> Also, you are using the esd output plugin in xmms, aren't you?
> 
> HTH,
> Jacob
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Re: lost my 'c' key in X

[martin f krafft]

also sprach [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.21. +0200]:
> So messed about with XF86Config-4 a bit, and what I found was,
> change your kbd def from pc105 to pc102 and you'll find the keys
> spring back into life...

I have pc104 and I need it that way.

So there must be some severe issue...

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Smith]

%% Paul Tsai <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

  pt> Ok, it is agreed that Linux shared no code from Minix, that is
  pt> well supported.  But it is also well established that Linus was
  pt> trying to make a Minix-like OS with more features.

If by "Minix-like" you mean a kernel that runs on an i386 and provides a
Unix-like system call interface, then I guess you could say Linus was
trying to make a "Minix-like" OS.  But if you mean _anything_ more than
that, then your comment is not correct.

  pt> Hence, the origins of Linux lie closer to Minix then to Unix.

This does not follow at all.  Linux is much closer to any of the
Unix/BSD systems than it is to Minix.  Minix is very different.

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Re: Nagios vs Netsaint

[Jacob Friis Larsen]

I chose nagios-mysql.
Do you know why no tables have indexes?
Thanks,
Jacob
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Re: enable duplex

[Jacob Friis Larsen]

Quick howto (but please read the documentation first):
modprobe bonding miimon=250 mode=1
ifconfig bond0 10.100.20.230
ifenslave bond0 eth0 eth1
Must the virtual interface use non global ip addresses or can I use 
global ones, and could I then have 3 accessable ip addresses?

Thanks for your guide.
Jacob
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Re: Adaptec SCSI RAID 2010S and Woody

[RalfG]

Hi Erik,

were there any private replies - or do you have new informations?
thanks

Ralf

> Adaptec SCSI RAID 2010S and Woody
> 
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> Subject: Adaptec SCSI RAID 2010S and Woody
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> Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 14:34:37 +0100
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> Hello list,
> 
> quick question - does Debian Woody support the Adaptec 2010S out of 
the box (bf24, either vanilla CD or Boot Floppies) or does it need a 
manual compiled kernel... and basically does Linux support these 
Zero-Channel RAID adapters at all?
> 
> Thx for quick answers!
> 
> regards,
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Re: lost my 'c' key in X

[anders]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:12:03PM -0400, Nori Heikkinen wrote:
> on Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:31:44PM +0200, martin f krafft insinuated:
> > Apparently, computers are taking over the entertainment industry
> > now. Get this: I had been using this computer of mine for a while
> > remotely and just today tried to use it locally for the first time
> > in days... However, the 'c' key won't print a C, merely cause the
> > machine speaker to beep. This is in xdm, way before xmodmap or the
> > like. The 'c' key works fine on the console, and it makes no
> > difference whether a PS/2 or USB keyboard is used. Even rebooting
> > the machine does not fix the problem. I am using X 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4.
> > 
> > Any hints appreciated.
> 
> as suggested in an earlier thread[1]: `setxkbmap us` (or whatever variant
> you're using -- for a good time, try `setxkbmap dvorak` ;)

I spotted this today on my Shuttle SS40G at home. It has been offline
for a few days due to bust PSU, but got the replacement PSU today and
after three hours fighting to get the box to boot at all (one removed
GFX card and one removed HD later) - 'c' and 'e' in KDM, GDM and any
other bootmanager I tried would not work.

So messed about with XF86Config-4 a bit, and what I found was, change
your kbd def from pc105 to pc102 and you'll find the keys spring back
into life...

Bizarre..

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Tsai]

Wow the passion involved in this reply is remarkable.
Greg Folkert wrote:
FULLSTOP
   NO, LINUX IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DERIVED FROM MINIX.
   
   Linus Torvalds and Professor Tannenbaum have dealt with this for
   years. They have repeatedly corrected people stating that they
   are related.
   
   Minix is a MICRO-Kernel architecture
   
   Linux is MONOLithic Kernel architecture
   
   Do not confuse these. SCO has tried to do this for a long time.
RESUME
 

Ok, it is agreed that Linux shared no code from Minix, that is well 
supported.  But it is also well established that Linus was trying to 
make a Minix-like OS with more features.  Hence, the origins of Linux 
lie closer to Minix then to Unix.

Well, Linux is Unix. 

Obvious many people disagree with you, as I'm sure many people disagree 
with me.

What you think this POSIX
compliance ios some sort of Magic Pill that makes Commercial UNIX
better? HA! You Kill me!
 

Well I don't think you read my e-mail at all.  I said it doesn't matter 
that Linux is not Unix because Unix is not always better.  Why do people 
feel a dire urge to justify the existence of Linux by muddling it with 
Unix?  They are different accept that.

Linux has started some incredible concepts that are getting adopted by 
the Unixes.  I think the arguement should be is Unix becoming like 
Linux, and to that I say yes it is.

well that's enough for now... take care.
Paul
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Re: importing files on CD

[Joachim Fahnenmueller]

Hi Doug,

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:49:10PM -0400, Dougpol1 wrote:
> HI Folks,
>I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with 
> windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
> installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by 
> way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand how 
> to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to 
> continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I know 
> this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a major 
> project out of it.  Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.
> 
>Doug


If you use Gnome, I think you can simply copy them into your home directory by
drag-and-drop. Or use the cp command as described in previous answers.

If you just want to access your windows files, you don't need the CD.
Do (as root):
mkdir /windows
mount -t vfat /dev/hda1 /windows

(Assuming that the windows partition is the first partition on the first
harddisk and its type is vfat [the older windows file system].)
If it works, add a corresponding entry to /etc/fstab . 
See man mount and man fstab .

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Greg Folkert]

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 13:39, Paul Tsai wrote:
> Niels L. Ellegaard wrote:
> >John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:>
> >>Is there a semantic difference between being like something or a
> >>clone of something, and being that thing in the English language?
[snip]
> >>Kinda like, Kleenex is both a brand of tissue and the generic name for
> >>tissues.  Is the same true for unix?
> >
> >The name Unix is registered trademark in the US and probably also in
> >many other countries. This means that it is not automatically legal to
> >refer to an operative system as a Unix while trying to sell it in the
> >US. This trademark is the reason why the term Unix is not used to
> >describe Linux distributions.
> >
> >I believe that Linux is as similar to the average Unix system, as the
> >average Unix system is similar to other Unix systems.
> >
> For all intents and purposes, Linux is a kernel (or os) that acts like 
> Unix but is not Unix.  Mainly it all depends on your definition of Unix, 
> however the origins of Linux is Minix which is by no means Unix.

FULLSTOP
NO, LINUX IS IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM DERIVED FROM MINIX.

Linus Torvalds and Professor Tannenbaum have dealt with this for
years. They have repeatedly corrected people stating that they
are related.

Minix is a MICRO-Kernel architecture

Linux is MONOLithic Kernel architecture

Do not confuse these. SCO has tried to do this for a long time.
RESUME
>   I 
> think BSD is considered Unix no matter who you ask. 
> 
> I don't think it's a bad thing that Linux is not Unix because it adds 
> spice to the computing world (and makes discussions like these 
> possible).  Linux definitely has its benefits because it's not Unix. I 
> think the Unix refers to the Kernel more than the OS, because I believe 
> the HURD kernel with GNU Software is considred Unix and Linux with GNU 
> is not so Unix.
Well, Linux is Unix. Far more so than some of the so called Commercial
UNIX available today. 

GNU == GNU is Not Unix, GNU was synonymous with HURD... Well we shall
all be switching to it RSN, 2001 is coming faster than you can imagine.

Debian Linux is as close to GNU/Linux as you can get. Debian chose to
name itself that. Many other distros DO NOT USE this nomenclature.

> I know a lot of die hard Linux people keep insisting that Linux is Unix, 
> but I don't think that's the intent of Linux, at least not at this 
> time.
No, you fail to understand, POSIX compliance is accomplished already.
Just not CERTIFIED. There are a myriad of things and tools that provide
it. Actually provide a superset.

> Could Linux become Posix Compliant, etc?  Of course, but I think 
> they would compromise their objectives too much if they did.

It would NOT compromise the objectives. What you think this POSIX
compliance ios some sort of Magic Pill that makes Commercial UNIX
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Re: (RE) Q. /dev/dsp

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 06:24:39PM -, Wayne Ward wrote:
> Hi again,
> I lost the e-mail from the person who suggested thar I start the gnome control 
> center and disable this error message.
> Could some kind soul show me the command.
> I just signed up for a dsl connection.The company is going to install it July 30th.
> I then will update many parts of the system.
> 
> Could someone tell me if Vision Net 200
> dsl modem will work with Linux?

No experience with it but from the specs it looks like it
should. Probably with pppoe (doesn't look like it supports pptp but
maybe).

If its pppoe you should get the pppoe and pppoeconf.

If you are lucky it will also work as a router which will make things
easier, but from the specs it looks like you need to download (for
money) extra software from the modem, and probably install it from
windows.

> TIA
> Wayne
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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 09:48:57AM -0500, Alan Shutko wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> > The real benefit to having the Windoze apps (Nikon or not) to support
> > the camera is in being able to load camera (or film scanner) images
> > directly into something like Photoshop without having to go through
> > any JPEG or other compression, so that you can manipulate raw
> > images.
> 
> Note, this only matters if you have set the camera to save things as
> RAW format.  If the camera is saving JPEGs, the software can't
> convert them back into RAW... info has already been lost.
> 
> Why does RAW matter?  It is uncompressed and has more bits than a
> JPEG (12 bits on my D1x) so you have more range when doing exposure
> adjustments and whatnot.
> 

Some cameras actually compress the raw data BTW. I think Nikon does
that since nef (raw) output takes less space then tiff output.

The advantage of raw is that you get _all_ the data and not processed
data, so you get all the information. You can also reprocess it if a
better algorithm comes out later.

> There's a program called dcraw which will convert many forms of
> camera raw files into standard formats for editing.  But it's not
> quite as good as the Nikon Capture software, because Capture makes it
> very easy to do common things like fix exposure and has cool toys
> like DEE which is basically a magic exposure fixer.  Nothing you
> can't do without capture, but you have to work harder to get there.
> 

There is also a plugin that allows using draw to open the raw files
directly in the gimp. That should rival the Nikon capture software.

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Re: Magic mismatch??

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RE: Is Linux Unix?

[Steven Jones]

hehand at the rate Linux is taking over Unix space he like RISC based Unix will be 
going the way of the dodo.

;]

Considering how many "Unixes" run Open source applications and utilities I find it 
laughable that ppl can look down on Linux. Simple answer is Linux is not Unix because 
its better (or going to be). From an operational point of view I have found that there 
is little Unix can do that Linux cannot, and certainly plenty Linux can do that Unix 
cannot, kernel compatibility and cost effective hardware see to that.

regards

Thing


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John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?

This question makes me laugh (no offense to you) because it reminds me (and
would remind many people who frequent(ed) comp.unix.admin) of a certain person,
who would never fail to be offended, saying "Linux is not Unix" as if it were an
mantra, whenever an innocent poster asks a question about Linux in comp.unix.admin.
If you are intrested, seach the google groups with "Rev Don McDonald Unix
Linux".  He was very derisive toward Linux and fierce enough in repeating the
mantra to scare novices off and to be quite notorious to the frequenters.

Cheers,
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Sylvain Vedrenne]

On Tuesday 20 July 2004 20:02, Bill Thompson wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:17:18 +0200
>
> John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?
>
> 
>
> As others in this thread have stated:
>
> Linux Is Not UniX ;)
>
> \sorry, couldn't help myself

Linus Torvalds should have called it LING... 
...because Linux-Is-Not-Gnu either.

< http://www.gnu.org/gnu/linux-and-gnu.html >

GNU programs + Linux kernel = GNU/Linux

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Ryo Furue]

John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>...
> I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?

This question makes me laugh (no offense to you) because it reminds me (and
would remind many people who frequent(ed) comp.unix.admin) of a certain person,
who would never fail to be offended, saying "Linux is not Unix" as if it were an
mantra, whenever an innocent poster asks a question about Linux in comp.unix.admin.
If you are intrested, seach the google groups with "Rev Don McDonald Unix
Linux".  He was very derisive toward Linux and fierce enough in repeating the
mantra to scare novices off and to be quite notorious to the frequenters.

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Re: importing files on CD

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Dougpol1 (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with
> windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and
> installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by
> way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand
> how to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to
> continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I
> know this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a
> major

At the command line, you can use cp:

mkdir ~/Documents
mount /cdrom
cp -a /cdrom ~/Documents

(~ is your home folder)

You can also install and use Midnight Commander (command line file
manager) to copy the documents. Or use some graphical manager with
drag'n drop support, like Konqueror.

best regards
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Re: importing files on CD

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 21:53:29 +0200
Matthias Czapla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:35:40PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:49:10 -0400
> > Dougpol1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 
> > > HI Folks,
> > > I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with
> > > 
> > > windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
> > > installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows
> > > by way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't
> > > understand how to import them into Home where I assume they need
> > > to be for me to continue working on them in  ABI word or another
> > > word processor. I know this has got to be simple but one way or
> > > another I have made a major project out of it.  Thanks in advance
> > > for any help you can give me.
> > 
> > Hello Doug,
> > 
> > Assuming the standard Debian mount point of /cdrom for the cdrom
> > drive, the following command should work.
> > 
> > 'cp -a /cdrom/* ~/'
> > 
> > (cp is the copy command. -a tells it to use the 'archive' options,
> > meaning copy all subdirectories and maintain file permissions.
> > /cdrom/* is where to copy from, and ~/ tells it to copy the files to
> > your home directory.)
> 
> If the disc has been written on Windows the files will probably have
> those ugly execute permissions set. Wouldn't the -R option to cp be
> more suitable in this case?

True. In this case I guess he may not even want the owner of the files
preserved, depending on how the cd was written.

Thanks,
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Re: Linux as Windows Update Server???

[Nicolas Montauban]

I use squid as proxy cache with option:
maximum_object_size 8192 KB
or more

one client go, other get update from proxy

> does someone know a solution to use linux as an windows update server.
> Something like, check local network/ workstations for installed updates
> and
> install missing updates remotly.
>

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Re: importing files on CD

[Matthias Czapla]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:35:40PM -0500, Jacob S. wrote:
> On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:49:10 -0400
> Dougpol1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > HI Folks,
> > I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with 
> > windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
> > installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by 
> > way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand
> > how to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to 
> > continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I
> > know this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a
> > major project out of it.  Thanks in advance for any help you can give
> > me.
> 
> Hello Doug,
> 
> Assuming the standard Debian mount point of /cdrom for the cdrom drive,
> the following command should work.
> 
> 'cp -a /cdrom/* ~/'
> 
> (cp is the copy command. -a tells it to use the 'archive' options,
> meaning copy all subdirectories and maintain file permissions. /cdrom/*
> is where to copy from, and ~/ tells it to copy the files to your home
> directory.)

If the disc has been written on Windows the files will probably have
those ugly execute permissions set. Wouldn't the -R option to cp be
more suitable in this case?

Regards
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[OT] quieter EPIC

[* Tong*]

Sorry for an OT message...

I want my EPIC4 to be more quieter, ie, to ignore messages like
people joining and leaving, mode changes, etc.

In the manual page, it says:

,-
| To highlight people joining and leaving, mode changes, etc. for a
| channel:
| 
| /ignore #channel +crap
`-

But I tried all the following which didn't work:

I tried "/ignore help crap", but it didn't work
then tried "/ignore #help crap", but can still see people comming/goning. 
and "/ignore #channel crap", "/ignore #channel +crap" didn't work either.
More over, "/ignore help +crap" doesn't give me hightlights either. 

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Re: importing files on CD

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 14:49:10 -0400
Dougpol1 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> HI Folks,
> I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with 
> windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
> installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by 
> way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand
> how to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to 
> continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I
> know this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a
> major project out of it.  Thanks in advance for any help you can give
> me.

Hello Doug,

Assuming the standard Debian mount point of /cdrom for the cdrom drive,
the following command should work.

'cp -a /cdrom/* ~/'

(cp is the copy command. -a tells it to use the 'archive' options,
meaning copy all subdirectories and maintain file permissions. /cdrom/*
is where to copy from, and ~/ tells it to copy the files to your home
directory.)

HTH,
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Re: importing files on CD

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Tue, 20 Jul 2004 02:49:10PM -0400, Dougpol1 insinuated:
> HI Folks,
>I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with 
> windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
> installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by 
> way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand how 
> to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to 
> continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I know 
> this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a major 
> project out of it.  Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

not sure i understand what you're asking.  do you just want to copy
the files from a mounted CD to your home directory?  if so, do:

cp /cdrom/file_to_copy /home/user/location/to/copy/to

-- that is, if you've mounted the cd at /cdrom (which i do).  could be
/mnt/cdrom, or something like that, too.

hth,



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Linux as Windows Update Server???

[Stefan Drees]

Hi,
does someone know a solution to use linux as an windows update server.
Something like, check local network/ workstations for installed updates and
install missing updates remotly.
Thanks in advance
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Re: (RE) Q. /dev/dsp

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 18:24:39 -
Wayne Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi again,
> I lost the e-mail from the person who suggested thar I start the gnome
> control center and disable this error message. Could some kind soul
> show me the command. I just signed up for a dsl connection.The company
> is going to install it July 30th. I then will update many parts of the
> system.

Try "gnome-control-center". I think there's probably a link to this in
one of the menus as well, but I always get lost in their menus. :-)
 
> Could someone tell me if Vision Net 200
> dsl modem will work with Linux?

I'm not sure about this one. Is it an internal modem, usb modem, or (the
type I prefer) one that you need only to plug in an ethernet cable and
talk to it like another computer?

HTH,
Jacob

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importing files on CD

[Dougpol1]

HI Folks,
   I am using Debian 3.0r2 Woody on a dual boot system along with 
windows. I am am new to Linux but have managed to partitioned and 
installed successfully. I need to bring over my files from windows by 
way of CD. In Gnome I've learned to mount them but don't understand how 
to import them into Home where I assume they need to be for me to 
continue working on them in  ABI word or another word processor. I know 
this has got to be simple but one way or another I have made a major 
project out of it.  Thanks in advance for any help you can give me.

   Doug

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Re: lost my 'c' key in X

[martin f krafft]

also sprach Nori Heikkinen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2004.07.20.2012 +0200]:
> as suggested in an earlier thread[1]: `setxkbmap us` (or whatever variant
> you're using -- for a good time, try `setxkbmap dvorak` ;)

heh. sorry for not having checked the archives. it was too surreal
for me to experience to even think that this may happen twice. also,
the machine in question is being really wicked lately.

anyway, my problem appears way before I even get an xterm. it's
already present in xdm. sucks if your login name contains one of the
broken characters...

nevertheless, I am using the us keymap, and XF86Config-4 is
correctly configured. I also see it in the logs:

(**) Option "XkbLayout" "us"
(**) XKB: layout: "us"

it's cool to have a workaround, but i think we need to fix the bug
at a deeper level. what the heck is going on?

and why 'c' and 'e'? sounds like a corruption of the keyboard map
files to me. or something like that...

cheers,

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

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John Hasler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>I've used Unix and I've used Linux.  Linux is Unix.

I've used Unix and Linux too, but I would not say Linux is Unix.  I would say for most 
tasks, Linux or Unix can be made to serve equally well.

If it looks like a rose, smells like a rose, feels like a rose, and tastes like a rose 
it is not necessarily a rose.but who cares at that point? (lawyers and their ilk I 
guess).

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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 11:04:27 -0700
Paul Yeatman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi again.  I'm responding to my own post.  It wasn't until today,
> weeks after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on
> concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system.
> The problem appears to be with esd.  Esd (appears to be ) used by
> default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in.  This
> works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc.  The only case in which
> it doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web
> browser. The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast.  I
> feel fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before
> going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without
> sound.  If "auto_spawn=0" is changed to "1" in /etc/esound/esd.conf
> and any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will
> automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with
> sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash
> completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5
> seconds in my case).  This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it?
> Can anyone help me out with what is going on here?  As all other
> audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the inital esd
> process started by gnome, why can't flash?  Should I force gnome to
> use something other than esd?

That's odd. I'm using esd on my system (previously with OSS drivers, now
with Alsa) and I can hear sound from flash just fine; as well as play
xmms at the same time, etc.

What happens if you kill any existing esd instances, run "esd &" from a
terminal in X (assuming you're logged in as a user, not root) and then
run "esdctl unlock"? Are you able to play both xmms and flash sounds?
Also, you are using the esd output plugin in xmms, aren't you?

HTH,
Jacob

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(RE) Q. /dev/dsp

[Wayne Ward]

Hi again,
I lost the e-mail from the person who suggested thar I start the gnome control center 
and disable this error message.
Could some kind soul show me the command.
I just signed up for a dsl connection.The company is going to install it July 30th.
I then will update many parts of the system.

Could someone tell me if Vision Net 200
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TIA
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Re: lost my 'c' key in X

[Nori Heikkinen]

on Tue, 20 Jul 2004 05:31:44PM +0200, martin f krafft insinuated:
> Apparently, computers are taking over the entertainment industry
> now. Get this: I had been using this computer of mine for a while
> remotely and just today tried to use it locally for the first time
> in days... However, the 'c' key won't print a C, merely cause the
> machine speaker to beep. This is in xdm, way before xmodmap or the
> like. The 'c' key works fine on the console, and it makes no
> difference whether a PS/2 or USB keyboard is used. Even rebooting
> the machine does not fix the problem. I am using X 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4.
> 
> Any hints appreciated.

as suggested in an earlier thread[1]: `setxkbmap us` (or whatever variant
you're using -- for a good time, try `setxkbmap dvorak` ;)



[1] http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2004/07/msg02620.html

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Bill Thompson]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 10:17:18 +0200
John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?
> 


As others in this thread have stated:

Linux Is Not UniX ;)

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Re: flash and mozilla (and firefox and epiphany)

[Paul Yeatman]

Hi again.  I'm responding to my own post.  It wasn't until today, weeks
after my original post, that I got more clues as to is going on
concerning flash causing Mozilla to freeze on my Debian Sarge system.
The problem appears to be with esd.  Esd (appears to be ) used by
default by gnome and is started--esd -nobeeps--when you log in.  This
works fine with everything: xmms, xine, etc.  The only case in which it
doesn't work is when the flash plugin is invoked from a web browser.
The animation will soon stop and the browser is toast.  I feel
fortunate today to discover that if esd is first killed before
going to a website running flash, the flash runs fine albeit without
sound.  If "auto_spawn=0" is changed to "1" in /etc/esound/esd.conf and
any esd processes are first killed, going to a flash website will
automatically start an esd process and flash will play normally (with
sound!) but then nothing else, such as xmms, will work until the flash
completes and the esd processes automatically completes (after 5
seconds in my case).  This kinda defeats the point of esd, doesn't it?
Can anyone help me out with what is going on here?  As all other
audio/video applications I run simultaneously use the inital esd
process started by gnome, why can't flash?  Should I force gnome to use
something other than esd?

Thanks,

Paul


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>
> Hi, so it appears that I cannot successfully play flash with my web
> browser anymore.  This has begun since I upgraded to sarge.  Mozilla
> (and firefox) using flashplugin-nonfree freezes when I go to common
> flash sites.  The entire browser is then hosed until the processes are
> killed from another window.  I bet I'm explaining something all too
> familiar for some (many?) of you, I'm guessing.  Used to work fine
> with Mozilla before upgrading.  I've experienced the same thing on
> a completely different computer running Red Hat 8.  I'm not seeing much
> discussion about it, however.  So, maybe I'm either wrong, need to
> accept it just doesn't work or am really behind in the
> discussion/solution :)
> 
> Epiphany plays flash just fine.  But just doesn't play the soundtrack.
> My flash life is really in the junk yard right now.  Please save
> me from jumping to Windows just to see homestarrunner.com.
> 
> Any help?  Thanks.
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[John Hasler]

Paul Tsai writes:
> Mainly it all depends on your definition of Unix, however the origins of
> Linux is Minix which is by no means Unix.

The origin of Linux is _not_ Minix.  Torvalds and Tannenbaum clearly agree
on that.  Minix is a microkernel while Linux is a monolithic kernel.

> I think BSD is considered Unix no matter who you ask.

Ask the owners of the UNIX trademark and you will get a definite _NO_.

> I think the Unix refers to the Kernel more than the OS, because I believe
> the HURD kernel with GNU Software is considred Unix and Linux with GNU is
> not so Unix.

GNU's Not Unix originally referred to the HURD (another microkernel).  If
Linux is not Unix then HURD certainly isn't.

> I know a lot of die hard Linux people keep insisting that Linux is
> Unix...

I've used Unix and I've used Linux.  Linux is Unix.

> Could Linux become Posix Compliant, etc?  Of course, but I think they
> would compromise their objectives too much if they did.

Linux is probably already about as POSIX-compliant as most versions of
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Paul Tsai]

Niels L. Ellegaard wrote:
John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 

Is there a semantic difference between being like something or a
clone of something, and being that thing in the English language?
I'm just thinking of the statement, GNU's Not Unix.  Does that mean
that GNU/Linux is a OS with unix like functionality, kinda like
Windows with Service For Unix, or OS/2 with its POSIX layer, or is
GNU/Linux an unix.
Kinda like, Kleenex is both a brand of tissue and the generic name for
tissues.  Is the same true for unix?
   

The name Unix is registered trademark in the US and probably also in
many other countries. This means that it is not automatically legal to
refer to an operative system as a Unix while trying to sell it in the
US. This trademark is the reason why the term Unix is not used to
describe Linux distributions.
I believe that Linux is as similar to the average Unix system, as the
average Unix system is similar to other Unix systems.
   Niels
PS: I hope to be corrected if I have misunderstood.
 

For all intents and purposes, Linux is a kernel (or os) that acts like 
Unix but is not Unix.  Mainly it all depends on your definition of Unix, 
however the origins of Linux is Minix which is by no means Unix.  I 
think BSD is considered Unix no matter who you ask. 

I don't think it's a bad thing that Linux is not Unix because it adds 
spice to the computing world (and makes discussions like these 
possible).  Linux definitely has its benefits because it's not Unix. I 
think the Unix refers to the Kernel more than the OS, because I believe 
the HURD kernel with GNU Software is considred Unix and Linux with GNU 
is not so Unix.

I know a lot of die hard Linux people keep insisting that Linux is Unix, 
but I don't think that's the intent of Linux, at least not at this 
time.  Could Linux become Posix Compliant, etc?  Of course, but I think 
they would compromise their objectives too much if they did.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Niels L. Ellegaard]

John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Is there a semantic difference between being like something or a
> clone of something, and being that thing in the English language?
> 
> I'm just thinking of the statement, GNU's Not Unix.  Does that mean
> that GNU/Linux is a OS with unix like functionality, kinda like
> Windows with Service For Unix, or OS/2 with its POSIX layer, or is
> GNU/Linux an unix.
> 
> Kinda like, Kleenex is both a brand of tissue and the generic name for
> tissues.  Is the same true for unix?

The name Unix is registered trademark in the US and probably also in
many other countries. This means that it is not automatically legal to
refer to an operative system as a Unix while trying to sell it in the
US. This trademark is the reason why the term Unix is not used to
describe Linux distributions.

I believe that Linux is as similar to the average Unix system, as the
average Unix system is similar to other Unix systems.

Niels

PS: I hope to be corrected if I have misunderstood.


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Re: Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP

[Tony Godshall]

Hi, Mark.  My two cents follow Simon's, inline.

According to Simon Kitching,
> On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 17:46, Mark e Plummer wrote:
> > Hello,
> > I have just read  your article as best I could. I am confused, but not 
> > by you but by me.
> > I have been using Firefox as a browser and Thunderbird as mailbox for 
> > about a week and a half now and I love them.
> > I am thinking about dumping Windows XP because it is a  pain, I was 
> > looking at Mandrake and ReHat. Debian  Woody I have never heard off 
> > until five minutes ago.
> > Is it really hard to understand. Or as I  am not a programmer should I 
> > even be thinking about using it.
> > This is a vague letter I know.
> > What I am asking, I suppose, is would you go for it. Do I have to dump 
> > Windows before I start downloading Woody?
> > Any help in the form of ideas would be wonderful.
> 
> Hi Mark,
> 
> You should definitely give Linux a go - it's got some great features,
> and gets better by the day.
> 
> Provided you have a reasonable-size hard drive, you can have multiple
> operating systems installed on the same PC by "partitioning" your disk
> drive. Or if you're short of disk space, you can always buy another disk
> drive to experiment with.
> 
> It is probably better to do this than simply wipe Windows; like all
> drugs, going cold-turkey can be hard :-).

I guess it depends what you do.  If you mostly do web
browsing and e-mail, it can be easy.  But if you are stuck
in the Microosft application file compatibility morass, it's
a lot harder.  (Office folks I won't identify got anal when I 
gave them back an OpenOffice-edited Excel spreadsheet that had had 
the zoom factor or even printer settings changed even though it 
was fine where it counted)

> With multiple operating systems installed (often called "dual boot" or
> "multi-boot"), when you turn your PC on you get a list of the installed
> operating systems to choose from, including your existing Windows setup.
> 
> There are even Linux versions that run direct from CD without needing to
> be installed at all, but that is probably not what you're looking for.

Might be good if you want to just try it out.  Morphix and
Knoppix are both Debian-based and run straight off CD.
 
> If you've got Windows 95/98/ME right now, then you can simply run a
> "disk defragmentation" from inside Windows, then boot from a linux
> install CD and follow the instructions to split off some spare disk
> space for the use of Linux. If you've got WindowsNT, 2000 or XP, you'll
> probably need the commercial tool "partition magic" to create a
> partition on your existing drive. Or buy that new drive I suggested.
> There may be a way to partition your existing windows drive with free
> software, but someone else will have to tell you how, because I don't
> know of a safe way to do this.
...

Xandros and Progeny do this for you.  But do back up
your drive before you start.

> Regarding which linux distribution to install, both Mandrake and RedHat
> are good choices. Debian is a little harder to use initially, but more
> powerful once you get to know it. As your first entry into Linux, you
> might be better off with Mandrake or "Fedora" (what RedHat call their
> free version). But Debian is ok to start with, too. The "woody" (3.0)
> version you mentioned, though, is pretty old. If you choose Debian, you
> will probably be better off downloading the "debian-installer" program
> from http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/. This is "beta"
> software, ie not officially released, but it's a lot easier to use than
> the "woody" (aka 3.0) release of Debian. This will install everything
> over the internet, so you only need to make one CD. However you'd better
> have a good internet connection...

If you can, use Debian Sarge, installed from the new
"beta-installer net-install" cd image.  It's a smallish
download (about 100 MB instead of 700MB) and features kernel
2.6.6, which supports so many devices most things are just
plug and play.

If you are too much a newbie to sucessfully download and
burn a CD or you have trouble with the Debian install, I'd
recommend a boxed version of one of the several excellent
Debian-based Linux distributions.  

I've used and like Progeny Linux (no they are not dead,
they've got a new distrib on the way) and Xandros (formerly
Corel Linux).  Xandros is probably the best migration path
for someone comfortable with Microsofty ways.


A Debian-based distro has several advantages over Mandrake
or Redhat/Fedora or Suse etc:

a) you are building on the famous strength and discipline
and moral purity (heheh) of Debian instead of a corporate
for-profit product (don't get me wrong- I love profit.  but
corporations have split loyalties, so things like quarterly
reports and shareholder value and strategic alliances can
get in the way of Doing The Right Thing)

b) you don't have to unlearn redhatisms and suseisms and 
mandrakeisms if you decide to switch to pure Debian later.

c) it's easier 

Magic mismatch??

[C. Tresenriter]

I've just done a re-installation of Sarge but on booting up the new
install I'm getting:
hda: drive not ready for command
EXT3-fs Magic mismatch Very weird!

...then goes on to complain about dma timeout

Then:
hda drive not ready for command
EXT2-fs hda1: couldn't mount because of unsupported features (4)

Then:
hda: dma_timer_expiry: dma status == 0x60
hda: timeout waiting for DMA
hda: status error: status=0x58 {DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest}
hda: drive not ready for command
hda: lost interrupt
hda: interrupt lost
hda: interrupt lost

Over and over

Where do I begin troubleshooting this??

TIA
Curt


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Re: How to install debian by using usb cdrom?

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:50:05PM +0200, Marcin Kaczmarski wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Dear Debian users,
> 
> Please forgive me asking such trivial question:
> 
> I have machine which doesn't have floppy nor cd but only usb port
> instead. I would like to install debian sarge. I recorded cd image and
> tried to use usb-cdrom, however sarge installer doesn't want to mount
> cd. Is it somehow possible to use usb-cdrom to install debian/debian
> sarge?
> 

Try googling for installing of a usb-storage device. You will need bios
support for booting of a usb device though.

> 
> 
> 
> Regards
> 
> M. Kaczmarski
> 
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Re: Q. on /dev/dsp

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:01:53PM -, Wayne Ward wrote:
> Hi,
> As I said in an earlier e-mail,
> that i'm getting an error telling
> me that /dev/dsp can't be found. Is
> this because that the person putting
> together this cd had sound compiled
> in thier kernel.I do not have a sound
> card on my box and I don't know why
> gnome is asking for it when i try to
> start gnome.Is there a file or config
> that i can pull this out?

I think its the enlightenment sound daemon. Like I asked earlier, in
what form do you see the error, console, graphic window, ... ? Does X
crash or goes on running?

> TIA
> Wayne
> 
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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 01:34:10AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > In that case I would also suggest you avoid anything Sony. I've never
> > seen worse customer support (and that even for very high end equipment
> > company customers, not just the small end user), and when they do
> > bother making a proper piece of hardware they seriously cripple it with
> > their copyright paranoia (see NetMD for example).
> 
> Yipes...  I've bought some of their consumer electronics and had good
> luck with it (including service), but never anything support-intensive
> (i.e. programmable in any way).  I can easily believe they could have
> gone bad when they got into anything with intelligence in it...
> 
> I just don't buy anything that has copy protection or blocked channels
> or anything of the sort, without making sure whatever is
> blocked/banned/etc.
> can be defeated somehow.  It's a matter of principle; as soon as a
> government
> or industry decides to ban something, I run out and buy lots of whatever
> it is immediately whether I want it or not.
> 
> > I am looking at linux support for coolpix 4500, and it seems to exist
> > (haven't had a chance to test yet, its not mine). Nikon seems to
> > support both mass storage and ptp on their cameras.
> 
> They do on some of their cameras, at least, according to the website
> you mention below (interesting site, btw...).
> 

Played with it a bit yesterday. It apparently supports both (method
needs to be chosen in the menu).

> > For some more information have a look
> > http://www.teaser.fr/~hfiguiere/linux/digicam.html
> > 

Found also this one lately which gives access to all kinds of raw
formats including a gimp plugin:

http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/

> > Canon may be a bit more troublesome, then nikon. You should look for a
> > camera with both usb-storage support (easiest way to download pictures)
> > and ptp support which will give you access to some more advanced camera
> > features. I am not sure if it will allow you to access all the features
> > of the camera from linux (some of the high end cameras are customizable
> > and may require dedicated software).
> 
> *That* is the thing I'm concerned about, when thinking about going to
> direct
> Linux support, vs. using Linux with VMware to get at the Gatesware to
> get at
> the Nikonware.  But I haven't dug into the camera features enough to
> know
> what features are available that might be impacted, yet...
> 

Depending on what they have done, it looks like gphoto and ptp may be
your friend.

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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Micha Feigin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 12:33:31AM -0700, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > Just out of curiosity, what does that SW offer?
> 
> Well, there are several packages, one of which is always bundled
> with the camera and the others for sale separately.  The Nikon website
> is a
> better source of info than I am, actually.  But the direct camera
> support package provides USB detection, automatic downloading, a bunch
> of cosmetic viewer features...  The buy-up packages provide image
> correction and editing, I think.  (I haven't loaded it yet...).  Some of
> those things are built into Windoze XP, I think (I'm not, and never
> will be, upgraded beyond Win 98), so the Nikon software for older
> versions of Windoze provides whatever the older versions don't have...
> 
> The real benefit to having the Windoze apps (Nikon or not) to support
> the camera is in being able to load camera (or film scanner) images
> directly into something like Photoshop without having to go through
> any JPEG or other compression, so that you can manipulate raw
> images.  (Again, I'm picking nits because I usually don't *do* this
> - but that's where hooking the camera up to Linux might start producing
> limitations if you don't have whatever Nikon or other software provides
> the capability...)  I think the Nikon load you get with the camera
> (or scanner) provides the "hooks" (drivers or driver linkage?)
> for some of the other commercial apps like Photoshop to get at the
> camera or scanner directly...  not sure though.
> 

I played around with the coolpix 4500 we have in our lab in uni. It
works both as a usb-storage device and ptp which gives some more
capabilities (you need to chose the active method in the camera's
menus).

As a usb storage device the camera works like a disk-on-key
device. hotplug loads the modules for me (usb-storage and scsi support)
and autofs mounts the device. I don't remember what formating the camera
uses but you can mount it using one of

mount -t vfat /dev/sda /mnt
mount -t vfat /dev/sda1 /mnt

That is assuming that it will be the first scsi disk (if you don't have
another disk on key connected or similar).

It is then accessible as a regular disk..

For ptp you need gphoto (www.gphoto.org) and possible some gui above it.

If you work with jpeg then you have no problem from that point, just
open it in gimp. Nikon's raw format is called nef. Have a look at:
http://www.cybercom.net/~dcoffin/dcraw/
There is a program to decode nef and a plugin for gimp to open the
files directly without conversion.

Note that all this should also be true for canon (the raw decoding
program included).

> > I added the following two lines to /etc/modules:
> >.
> >.
> >.
> 
> Thanks  You probably just saved me an eventual two or three
> evenings of website/document/list trolling...
> 
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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Matthias Czapla]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 02:04:36PM +0200, John L Fjellstad wrote:
> Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> > John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> >> I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?

For me the term "Unix" can mean three different things. First there
was the "original Unix" system from AT&T and all the systems that evolved
from it by modifying and extending the original source code. The second
meaning is that an operating system vendor is allowed to officially call
it's product "Unix" (as a trademark) by having passed a certification
program of the Open Group. The third and most commonly used meaning
specifies an operating system that works mostly like... hum... UNIX! :)
I mean, a multitasking multiuser kernel with init, gettys, shells, all
the basic file- and text-utilities etc. And of course the system
programming interface! I use the term "Unix" when it doesn't matter
wheter it's FreeBSD, GNU/Linux, Solaris etc. In this respect GNU/Linux
can be considered Unix in sense three but not in sense one and two.

> I'm just thinking of the statement, GNU's Not Unix.

This is a pun because in fact it *is* Unix (sense three) but they're
not allowed to call it Unix. It's probably intended to emphasize
the difference in it's free'ness to other Unices too.

> Does that mean that GNU/Linux is a OS with unix like functionality,
> kinda like Windows with Service For Unix, or OS/2 with its POSIX layer,
> or is GNU/Linux an unix.

I would consider GNU/Linux an Unix but definitely not Windows with SFU
because the latter provides the API and utitilities only on top of a
completely different operating system. I don't know OS/2 though.

Regards
Matthias


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Re: Q. on /dev/dsp

[Jacob S.]

On Tue, 20 Jul 2004 12:01:53 -
Wayne Ward <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
> As I said in an earlier e-mail,
> that i'm getting an error telling
> me that /dev/dsp can't be found. Is
> this because that the person putting
> together this cd had sound compiled
> in thier kernel.I do not have a sound
> card on my box and I don't know why
> gnome is asking for it when i try to
> start gnome.Is there a file or config
> that i can pull this out?

It just means that gnome has sounds that it tries to play on certain
events, similar to the way Windows does. So, to be able to play those
sounds, it looks for /dev/dsp - the audio device. 

If there's not a checkbox to tell it not to display the warning any
more, try opening the Gnome control center (gnome-control-center from
the command line, I believe) and there should be an option in there to
disable all sound events in Gnome.

HTH,
Jacob

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Re: Q. on /dev/dsp

[Kent West]

Tony Godshall wrote:
According to Wayne Ward,
 

I do not have a sound
card on my box
If you are using udev or devfsd, /dev/dsp will appear when
the correct module for your soundcard is loaded.
 

I missed Wayne's statement that he doesn't have a sound card my first 
read-through also.  ;-)

He's just trying to turn off the error message that pops up as a result 
of not having a sound card.

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Re: Q. on /dev/dsp

[Kent West]

Wayne Ward wrote:
Hi,
As I said in an earlier e-mail,
that i'm getting an error telling
me that /dev/dsp can't be found. Is
this because that the person putting
together this cd had sound compiled
in thier kernel.I do not have a sound
card on my box and I don't know why
gnome is asking for it when i try to
start gnome.Is there a file or config
that i can pull this out?
TIA
Wayne
I'm pretty sure that Gnome uses esd (Enlightened Sound Daemon, I 
believe) as its sound server. (KDE uses artsd.)

Imagine you have sound effects coming from doom, and you want to listen 
to an Ogg or mp3 file, and your email notification plays a little tune 
saying you have new mail. Ideally, a sound card could handle all these 
different inputs, but many can't.

So the sound daemon works as a middle man, handling all the different 
inputs, and combining them into one stream which the sound card can handle.

In your case, you don't have a sound card, but esd is still loading 
because that's the default behaviour of Gnome. You'll have to find some 
way to deactivate esd; there might be a sound server preference 
somewhere in Gnome's configuration utilities, but not being a Gnome 
user, I can't really point you any further.

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RE: Occasional freezing / need help diagnosing

[Scott Thompson]

Title: RE: Occasional freezing / need help diagnosing





> On Tue, 2004-07-13 at 13:54, Scott Thompson wrote:
> > The box is connected to a cable modem and no other network.  The 
> > freezes have never occurred when using the web browser or 
> email, but 
> > with a variety of other programs, such as synaptic, 
> mplayer, kwrite.  
> > Last night, the flying toaster screensaver was running when 
> I went to 
> > bed, but had frozen during the night.
> [snip]
> 
> Okay, I gotta ask the usuals:
> What (exactly) kind of Video Card are you running?


ATI 9700 Pro


>   What motherboard and processor?


ASUS A7N8X-Deluxe  Athlon 2500+


>   What Xserver are you using?
>       (Vesa, FrameBuffer or Chipset Specific?)
>           (one of mine I128, another nvidia)


I'm not sure how to tell, other than it's an XFree86 4.3.
>   Which kernel are you using? 
>       Boot parameters? (mine == "root=/dev/hde3 ro vga=791")


Was using 2.6.5-1-i686, now using 2.6.7-1-k7  (this may have fixed the problem.  The system has been running for 2 days without a freeze).

>   And do you have hdparm installed?
>       If you do give output of: hdparm -iI /dev/hdX 
>           (X == OS Drive like /dev/hd[a-l])


Model=WDC WD307AA, FwRev=05.05B05, SerialNo=WD-WMA111003547  Config={ HardSect NotMFM HdSw>15uSec SpinMotCtl Fixed DTR>5Mbs FmtGapReq }  RawCHS=16383/16/63, TrkSize=57600, SectSize=600, ECCbytes=40  BuffType=DualPortCache, BuffSize=2048kB, MaxMultSect=16, MultSect=off  CurCHS=16383/16/63, CurSects=16514064, LBA=yes, LBAsects=60074784  IORDY=on/off, tPIO={min:120,w/IORDY:120}, tDMA={min:120,rec:120}  PIO modes:  pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4  DMA modes:  mdma0 mdma1 mdma2  UDMA modes: udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4  AdvancedPM=no WriteCache=enabled  Drive conforms to: device does not report version:  1 2 3 4

 * signifies the current active mode



ATA device, with non-removable media
    Model Number:   WDC WD307AA
    Serial Number:  WD-WMA111003547
    Firmware Revision:  05.05B05
Standards:
    Supported: 4 3 2 1
    Likely used: 5
Configuration:
    Logical max current
    cylinders   16383   16383
    heads   16  16
    sectors/track   63  63
    --
    bytes/track: 57600  bytes/sector: 600
    CHS current addressable sectors:   16514064
    LBA    user addressable sectors:   60074784
    device size with M = 1024*1024:   29333 MBytes
    device size with M = 1000*1000:   30758 MBytes (30 GB)
Capabilities:
    LBA, IORDY(can be disabled)
    Buffer size: 2048.0kB   bytes avail on r/w long: 40 Queue 
depth: 1
    Standby timer values: spec'd by Standard, with device specific 
minimum
    R/W multiple sector transfer: Max = 16  Current = 16
    DMA: mdma0 mdma1 mdma2 udma0 udma1 udma2 udma3 *udma4
 Cycle time: min=120ns recommended=120ns
    PIO: pio0 pio1 pio2 pio3 pio4
 Cycle time: no flow control=120ns  IORDY flow control=120ns
Commands/features:
    Enabled Supported:
   *    READ BUFFER cmd
   *    WRITE BUFFER cmd
   *    Host Protected Area feature set
   *    Look-ahead
   *    Write cache
   *    Power Management feature set
   *    SMART feature set
   *    DOWNLOAD MICROCODE cmd
HW reset results:
    CBLID- above Vih
    Device num = 0 determined by the jumper



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Re: Q. on /dev/dsp

[Tony Godshall]

According to Wayne Ward,
> Hi,
> As I said in an earlier e-mail,
> that i'm getting an error telling
> me that /dev/dsp can't be found. Is
> this because that the person putting
> together this cd had sound compiled
> in thier kernel.I do not have a sound
> card on my box and I don't know why
> gnome is asking for it when i try to
> start gnome.Is there a file or config
> that i can pull this out?
> TIA
> Wayne

You'll need to indicate whether you are using udev or devfsd
or not and your kernel version, I think, before folks can
help you much.

If you are using udev or devfsd, /dev/dsp will appear when
the correct module for your soundcard is loaded.

If not you will need to create it.  You should probably go
read the Sound-HOWTO.


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Re: Experiment: Neophyte versus Windows XP

[Kent West]

Simon Kitching wrote:
On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 17:46, Mark e Plummer wrote:
 

Hello,
I have just read  your article as best I could.
Just curious -- what article?
I am thinking about dumping Windows XP because it is a  pain, I was 
looking at Mandrake and ReHat. Debian  Woody I have never heard off 
until five minutes ago.
Is it really hard to understand. Or as I  am not a programmer should I 
even be thinking about using it.
   

I pretty much agree with Simon's comments, but here's a few of my own.
If you are the type of person who likes to buy an old junker car and 
dive in a rebuild the thing, go with Debian; elsewise go with a distro 
such as Mandrake or Redhat that is more tuned for beginners.

(This is not to say that Debian requires the same level of effort needed 
to rebuild a junker car, but it does take more of that type of mentality 
than does Mandrake, et al, although Debian is getting easier for the 
newbie.)

Provided you have a reasonable-size hard drive, you can have multiple
operating systems installed on the same PC by "partitioning" your disk
drive. Or if you're short of disk space, you can always buy another disk
drive to experiment with.
If you're not familiar with partitioning, I'd _highly_ recommend a 
second disk drive, or even better, a second computer to tinker with.

There are even Linux versions that run direct from CD without needing to
be installed at all, but that is probably not what you're looking for.
This might be the easiest way for you to get your feet wet. For example, 
you can go to http://www.knoppix.org and download the most recent 
Knoppix image and burn it to CD (not as a data file, but as an image). 
Then you can boot off the resulting CD. This will provide you with a 
complete Linux environment (based on Debian, but not actually Debian) 
that will give you a good feel for how Linux looks/feels. Be aware that 
running the system from CD means it'll run slow; a properly installed 
Linux system will run faster than a LiveCD.

When you need to go back to Windows, just shut down the Linux system, 
remove the CD, reboot, and you're back to your normal Windows system 
like nothing ever happened.

Also, because everything's running off the CD, your settings won't be 
saved from Knoppix session to Knoppix session, unless you put in a 
little extra work to save the settings to some other medium (floppy, 
flash drive, space on your hard disk, etc); there's a menu item in 
Knoppix to help you do that, but I've never used it so don't know what's 
involved.

About 6 GBytes is a good amount to use for a linux install. Of course if
you can spare more, then that is good - you'll need somewhere to put
your music and photo collections ;-).
You can install Linux (depending on what features you want) in a 
considerably smaller space, just like you can install Windows in a 
considerably smaller space than what's comfortable. But like Simon, I'd 
suggest about 6GB for a comfortable playground.

Regarding which linux distribution to install, both Mandrake and RedHat
are good choices. Debian is a little harder to use initially, but more
powerful once you get to know it.
It's been my impression that a lot of Debian fans start off with one of 
these other distros, then try another, then try another, never being 
quite happy, and then finally try Debian, and stick with it, because it 
just works better. But as Simon implies, Debian requires a steeper 
learning curve to get started than does those other distros.

So if you're willing to put up with frustrations and work and effort, 
but with lots of learning how the under-the-hood processes work (thus 
making you a more knowledgeable gnerd), then start out with Debian. If 
you just want something easy to play with for a few months to figure out 
what you think, try Mandrake, Redhat, S.u.S.E., etc. If you just want to 
take a quick look-see, try a LiveCD like Knoppix or Morphix or Gnoppix.

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Re: Upgrade to kernel 2.6.7

[Emma Jane Hogbin]

On Tue, Jul 20, 2004 at 05:05:49PM +0200, Chris wrote:
> 3) The touchpad on my fujitsu-siemens lifebook's just stopped - I see
>some kernel patches for these (synaptec) - will these appear in a
>debian standard kernel?

First check to see what drivers you need to be using. If it's a
"Synaptics TouchPad" then the following instructions should help.
0. Check to see which touchpad drivers you should be using
# cat /proc/bus/input/devices
   I: Bus=0011 Vendor=0002 Product=0007 Version=
   N: Name="SynPS/2 Synaptics TouchPad"

1. Install the correct kernel modules.
a. you must have the following options enabled in your kernel:
CONFIG_INPUT_EVDEV
CONFIG_MOUSE_PS2
Check /usr/src/linux/.config and make sure that these options are
eithre "Y"es or "M"odule. You don't have these two options you will
need to add them and recompile the kernel. Ideally you want both of
these options compiled directly into the kernel because they will not
be properly reloaded if you are using hibernation and sleep states.
b. If you have the evdev and ps2 mouse options installed as modules,
insert them now with:
# modprobe evdev
# modprobe psmouse
c. update your modules so these options are loaded next time
automatically:
# update-modules

2. Once your kernel is set up you will need to install the correct
drivers. You can grab the source code from:
http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/files/
or use the Debian package (unstable has the same version as the source
code):
# apt-get install xfree86-driver-synaptics

3. I also upgraded my Xserver installation
# apt-get install xserver-xfree86

4. Edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file and change two sections.
a. the "InputDevice"

Section "InputDevice"
 Identifier  "Synaptics Mouse"
 Driver  "synaptics"
 OPTION  "Device""/dev/psaux"
 Option  "Protocol" "auto-dev"
 Option"LeftEdge"  "1700"
 Option"RightEdge" "5300"
 Option"TopEdge"   "1700"
 Option"BottomEdge""4200"
 Option"FingerLow" "25"
 Option"FingerHigh""30"
 Option"MaxTapTime""180"
 Option"MaxTapMove""220"
 Option"VertScrollDelta" "100"
 Option"MinSpeed"  "0.09"
 Option"MaxSpeed"  "0.20"
 Option"AccelFactor" "0.0010"
 Option"SHMConfig" "on"
#Option  "Emulate3Buttons" "true"
#  Option  "ZAxisMapping""4 5"
EndSection

b. and the "ServerLayout". Note that the Synaptics Mouse must come BEFORE
the Generic Mouse.
Section "ServerLayout"
 Identifier  "Default Layout"
 Screen  "Default Screen"
 InputDevice "Generic Keyboard"
 InputDevice "Synaptics Mouse" "CorePointer"
 InputDevice "Generic Mouse" "AlwaysCore"
EndSection

More information is available from:
http://w1.894.telia.com/~u89404340/touchpad/index.html

Many thanks to hartwig felger for helping me to get my system working!

emma

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Re: Upgrade to kernel 2.6.7

[Chris]

> "Andreas" == Andreas Janssen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

Andreas> alias usb-uhci uhci-hcd

Andreas> to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and run update-modules. Next
Andreas> time you boot the correct driver will be loaded. If you
Andreas> are not going to use 2.4 anymore, simply change the name
Andreas> in /etc/modules.

OK - have changed /etc/modules since I will only go back to 2.4 if 2.6
just doesn't work and it seems to be going good enough.

>> 3) The touchpad on my fujitsu-siemens lifebook's just stopped -
>> I see some kernel patches for these (synaptec) - will these
>> appear in a debian standard kernel?

Andreas> If it works like a ps/s mouse, make sure the mousedev and
Andreas> psmouse drivers are loaded.

Aha - had mousedev but not psmouse - loaded it and the touchpad just
started working straight away. Thanks for the tip. I assume the best
place to stick this is in /etc/modules too?

Andreas> Also, take a look at the 2.6 input drivers faq:

Andreas> 

Will do.

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Re: Upgrade to kernel 2.6.7

[Andreas Janssen]

Hello

Chris (<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>) wrote:

> Just installed udev and kernel-image-2.6.7-686-1
> 
> Startup gives some module errors (all are in /etc/modules from the 2.4
> kernel)
> 
> 1) Can't load usb-uchi - it looks like that should be uchi-hcd - is
>that right?

Right. Add

alias usb-uhci uhci-hcd

to /etc/modprobe.d/aliases and run update-modules. Next time you boot
the correct driver will be loaded. If you are not going to use 2.4
anymore, simply change the name in /etc/modules.

> 2) input and keybdev fail to load - are the required (don't recall
>installing them myself)?

I think you only need them if you have an USB keyboard.

> 3) The touchpad on my fujitsu-siemens lifebook's just stopped - I see
>some kernel patches for these (synaptec) - will these appear in a
>debian standard kernel?

If it works like a ps/s mouse, make sure the mousedev and psmouse
drivers are loaded.

Also, take a look at the 2.6 input drivers faq:



best regards
Andreas Janssen

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Re: Duplicate Entries in /proc/scsi/scsi

[Rob Sims]

On Sunday 18 July 2004 08:19 pm, rankine wrote:
> Hi *,
> I decided to downgrade from kernel 2.6.x to 2.4.x 
> The problem is that  a weird problem is happening
> since then. In /proc/scsi/scsi I get a lot of
> duplicate entries.
> Namely:
> 
> 
> Attached devices: 
> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 00
>   Vendor: ASUS Model: CRW-5224ARev: 1.37
>   Type:   CD-ROM   ANSI SCSI
> revision: 02
> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 01
>   Vendor: ASUS Model: CRW-5224ARev: 1.37
>   Type:   CD-ROM   ANSI SCSI
> revision: 02
> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 00 Lun: 02

> Does anyone know what is going on?

You are mixing the kernel parameter CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=y (config 
question "Probe all LUNs on each SCSI device") with defective CD drives 
that identify a drive at each LUN rather than only on the first.  
Re-compile your kernel with CONFIG_SCSI_MULTI_LUN=n.
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lost my 'c' key in X

[martin f krafft]

Apparently, computers are taking over the entertainment industry
now. Get this: I had been using this computer of mine for a while
remotely and just today tried to use it locally for the first time
in days... However, the 'c' key won't print a C, merely cause the
machine speaker to beep. This is in xdm, way before xmodmap or the
like. The 'c' key works fine on the console, and it makes no
difference whether a PS/2 or USB keyboard is used. Even rebooting
the machine does not fix the problem. I am using X 4.3.0.dfsg.1-4.

Any hints appreciated.

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Re: Is Linux Unix?

[Alan Shutko]

John L Fjellstad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I was wondering if Linux can be considered Unix?

I believe that Linux is pretty much compliant with the Single Unix
Specification (v3) which is what you have to be to be eligible for the
Unix brand.

However, in common parlance, I still see people making a distinction
between Unix, BSD, and Linux, even though BSD is as Unix as can be and
there's more commonality between BSD, Linux and say Solaris than there
is between Ultrix, SCO OpenServer, AIX and HPUX.

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Re: recommendation for digital camera -=> Shameless Nikon plug

[Alan Shutko]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

> The real benefit to having the Windoze apps (Nikon or not) to support
> the camera is in being able to load camera (or film scanner) images
> directly into something like Photoshop without having to go through
> any JPEG or other compression, so that you can manipulate raw
> images.

Note, this only matters if you have set the camera to save things as
RAW format.  If the camera is saving JPEGs, the software can't
convert them back into RAW... info has already been lost.

Why does RAW matter?  It is uncompressed and has more bits than a
JPEG (12 bits on my D1x) so you have more range when doing exposure
adjustments and whatnot.

There's a program called dcraw which will convert many forms of
camera raw files into standard formats for editing.  But it's not
quite as good as the Nikon Capture software, because Capture makes it
very easy to do common things like fix exposure and has cool toys
like DEE which is basically a magic exposure fixer.  Nothing you
can't do without capture, but you have to work harder to get there.

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Re: Keyboard Blinking after shutdown

[Kent West]

Marc Barisch wrote:
Hi,
I'm having a non-ATX machine (no automatic power-off) without a monitor and 
want it to indicate me by blinking of the keyboard lights, when the shutdown 
procedure has finished.

I am convinced that somebody knows a simple solutions
Thanks in advance
Sincerely 
Marc

 

Um, rewrite the BIOS?
Alternatively (and far more realistically), you can hack the 
shutdown/reboot/halt application (depending on which is being called) so 
that at the same time it prints "Power Down" on the (non-existent) 
monitor, it blinks the LEDs. But I'm not sure this falls into the 
"simple solutions" category.

Still, it sounds like a useful project for some folks, so perhaps 
someone has already done the hacking and has a package for it; but I'm 
unaware of any such package.

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Re: /dev/dsp

[Kent West]

Wayne Ward wrote:
Wayne Ward wrote:
   

Hi,
I have installed debian from (CD) Steve Hunger's
book "Debian GNU/Linux Bible" and I'm now
trying to get GNOME up and running. When
I enter the command to start GNOME i get
the error that "/dev/dsp No such device". 

 

1) the 2.2 kernel is pretty old. It may not have support for your sound 
device. If you have network capability, you might want to upgrade to a 
2.4 or even a 2.6 kernel.
   

I don't have a sound card installed.
Oh; then you can just ignore that message. When that message pops up, 
there should be (I think) a checkbox saying to not display the message 
anymore. Just click on that and go on with life.

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