Help!!!! If I'm to get debian up, I need help solving this...

[Chris Stockwell]

dear debian users,
OK, here's the problem:  I for the life of me can't connect to the online 
apt sources.  dhcp IS finding the cards...and I CAN ping the net.  I really 
WANT to use debianbut things are beginning to look doubtful.  I've 
configured apt sources in all the ways I can think,  ftp, http, 
manually.  Are the servers not responding to apt requests?  I can point my 
browser (in windows or knoppix ) there.  I'm just frustrated as heck

This is what is returned after all the timeouts:
"Apt Configuration
Cannot access security updates.
I cannot access the security updates on security.debian.org, so those 
updates will not be made available to you at this time. You may want to 
investigate this later.. Commented out entries for security.debian.org have 
been added to the bottom of /etc/apt/sources.list . The error message I 
received from apt was:

Failed to fetch
http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/packages 
Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection timed out 
Failed to fetch

http://security.debian.org/dists/stable/updates/main/binary-i386/Release 
Could not connect to security.debian.org:80 (1.0.0.0), connection

timed out : Couldn't stat source package list"
My hardware is: pentium 200, AND P3 800 (neither have worked).  I've tried 
both stable and un-stable.  Network cards are tulip based: linksys 
LNE100tx, and also tried the belkin desktop pci card.  I use dsl, a 
router.  Can't think of what else I can tell you.

If you can help me I'd really appreciate it.
Thank you.
Chris

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Re: Copying Text from a command prompt...No GUI Involved, and then X-windows issue

[Travis Crump]

csj wrote:
On 2. September 2004 at 1:19PM +,
"Will Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I have an X-Windows configuration issue, and it was suggested
on IRC that I post the error log onto the mailing list for
others to look at, and perhaps to solve my problem. The
question is how do I do this on a strictly command prompt
basis? Remember I have NO GUI, so I cannot do the normal
highlight with the mouse and paste into window deal. Any
advice? TIA!!

Install gpm.  Highlight with the mouse, open your text editor in
another in another tty (ALT+F#) and paste. This will only work if
the error message isn't too long.

Just to point out the obvious, if all he wants is the X error log, it is 
saved to /var/log/XFree86.# ...


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Re: colours stoped working in vi

[Ritesh Raj Sarraf]

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On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Paul Boyle wrote:
I just upgraded my computer from testing for the first time in about a
week and vim stoped working properly. It no longer displays syntax
highlighting eventhough I have changed nothing. This problem exists in
both vim and gvim, (gvim is provided through the 'vim-gtk' package).
with gvim I get the following message when I access a simple 'c' file,
but I also get the same error with other types of files.
Error detected while processing /usr/share/vim/vim63/syntax/synload.vim:
line   19:
E185: Cannot find color scheme ron
filetype unknown
Everything that I can think of trying of seems to make no difference.
$VIMRUNTIME points to the correct directory. I have tried telling vim
the file type using the command 'set filetype'  but this makes no
difference. I have also tried using different colour schemes but this
also makes no difference. The colour syntax files are in the correct
location.
This problem occurs in terminals and xterms, colour is definately
enable on those terminals since 'ls' displays colours.
Has anyone any ideas what may have caused this problem to occure.
Paul

Am not sure if this could help, is simple and stupid but did work for me
when I faced exactly the same problem. The new vimrc file in /etc/vim
needs be installed IMO. Try that and see if it works.
rrs
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Tasksel not supporting Desktop selection

[Pradeeper]

Hi All

I install a Sarge box using 1st CD. After that I edit my
/etc/apt/source.list to reflect my closest Debian mirror and did apt-get
update and upgrade without any problem.

I wanted a Debian desktop and I ran tasksel and found out there's no
selection for "Debian Desktop" which was there last time.

I did,
apt-get install desktop-base

But it only install Xfree86 and some other packages and not KDE or GNOME
which I want.
What is the minimal package list for have a GNOME and KDE?

Thanks!

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Re: Gnuplot 4 on Woody : no Xterm

[Marc Wilson]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 03:35:56PM +0200, Florian Ernst wrote:
> BTW, Alberto didn't say he is using Woody, one could only guess from
> his version of KMail...

This hopefully isn't becoming slashcrap, where no one ever reads the OP...
or didn't the subject of the mail tell you anything?

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Konsole font

[msck9]

Hello everyone
 I installed debian sarge. But I have problem with the konsole font.
 It is really ugly now. I searched the web to find the method to add
 font, but I could not get it. 
 From the setting, I can only see several fonts available. None of them
 work well. Any suggestions about that?

Thanks in advance
Mingzhai


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Re: Unmount Question

[Abdullah Ramazanoglu]

begin  Mike Arnold <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki:

> IIRC umount -l  will perform a lazy unmount, thus ignoring the
> fact that the drivce is being used by something

But the lock on device will still persist. It might be better to check
which processes are responsible for the lock via "fuser -amv" and then
kill all the locking processes, if appropriate, with "fuser -km".

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Dock Appts

[John Lowell]

I'm new to Debian and learning the system. I have a minimal "testing" 
set-up here which I got using the business card iso with base packages, 
fluxbox, links (which I use in graphical mode for downloads) firefox and 
thunderbird installed. I'd like to use dock appts instead of the gkrellm system 
monitors on this machine. Must these be Debian packages? Might anyone 
suggest decent CPU, memory, hard disk and eth0 dock appt that have worked 
well for them?

jlowell
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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Silvan]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:39 pm, Hendrik Boom wrote:

> There may be confusion here -- is PS2 the hardwarey thing IBM came up
> with a few years ago for making PC's, distinguishing ti from PS1?
> Or is PS2 the well-known appreviation for the Sony PlayStation 2?
>
> Both these systems can have keyboards.

This is a test, right?  The PS/1 actually came out after the PS/2.  What did I 
win?

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Re: Copying Text from a command prompt...No GUI Involved, and then X-windows issue

[csj]

On 2. September 2004 at 1:19PM +,
"Will Ness" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have an X-Windows configuration issue, and it was suggested
> on IRC that I post the error log onto the mailing list for
> others to look at, and perhaps to solve my problem. The
> question is how do I do this on a strictly command prompt
> basis? Remember I have NO GUI, so I cannot do the normal
> highlight with the mouse and paste into window deal. Any
> advice? TIA!!

Install gpm.  Highlight with the mouse, open your text editor in
another in another tty (ALT+F#) and paste. This will only work if
the error message isn't too long.


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Re: Unmount Question

[Silvan]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:32 pm, Steven Feinstein wrote:
> I have an NTFS drive that I mount as ReadOnly.  I have found that when I
> use Konqueor to browse the drive and then exit Konqueor, I am not allowed
> to unmount the drive.  I get the error "device is busy".
>
> I close all apps, but I can't find a way to be allowed to unmount the
> drive. This seems to only occur through Konqueor.

If you have a look, (maybe ps aux|grep slave) you'll probably find some kind 
of ioslave process still running, keeping it busy.  Killing it might free it 
up.

Just a guess, really.  I've noticed KDE has problems with ioslaves of various 
flavors getting stuck like this.  Usually no real harm comes of it, but it 
can be annoying.

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Re: question about growisofs

[csj]

On 31. August 2004 at 9:38PM -0600,
Paul E Condon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I remember being able to overwrite the contents of a dvd+rw 
> by using the -Z option. That was from 6 or 8 months ago,
> and using woody rather than sarge. And, I distinctly remember
> that such a use of -Z was explained and recommended in the
> growisofs man page. But now it isn't mentioned, and it doesn't
> work. What is the way for wiping out and overwriting now?

I have tried burning a dvd+rw on my dvd+/- unit.  But I've used
"dvd+rw-format -blank" on a dvd-rw.  This "minimally" blanks the
dvd (there's also an option for -blank=full).  I don't know if
such a procedure shortens the life of the dvd or if it's even
necessary.  Maybe you can also force DAO using -dvd-compat
-dvd-compat (the 2x is not a typo).


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Re: Unmount Question

[Mike Arnold]

IIRC umount -l  will perform a lazy unmount, thus ignoring the
fact that the drivce is being used by something

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 21:32:12 -0400, Steven Feinstein
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I have an NTFS drive that I mount as ReadOnly.  I have found that when I use
> Konqueor to browse the drive and then exit Konqueor, I am not allowed to
> unmount the drive.  I get the error "device is busy".
> 
> I close all apps, but I can't find a way to be allowed to unmount the drive.
> This seems to only occur through Konqueor.
> 
> Does Konqueor keep a lock on the drives it browses?  Is there anyway to free
> this up?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Steve
> 
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Just a heads up for those who had gpg-agent fail to start

[Brad Sims]

KDM fails to source /etc/X11/Xsession, see bug 265865.

The fix is to 'vi .xprofile' which contains just one line...
"source /etc/X11/Xsession".

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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Li Daobing]

It's PS/2.
I am sorry that it make you confusing.


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Unmount Question

[Steven Feinstein]

I have an NTFS drive that I mount as ReadOnly.  I have found that when I use
Konqueor to browse the drive and then exit Konqueor, I am not allowed to
unmount the drive.  I get the error "device is busy".

I close all apps, but I can't find a way to be allowed to unmount the drive. 
This seems to only occur through Konqueor.

Does Konqueor keep a lock on the drives it browses?  Is there anyway to free
this up?

Thanks,

Steve


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Re: Configuring Courier

[Carlos Sousa]

Please reply only to the list, as I'm subscribed and you'll probably
get much better help than mine for your problem. I am *certainly* not
an expert on this, I'm just trying to share my experience.

On Thu, 02 Sep 2004 11:38:13 +0100 Upayavira wrote:
> Carlos Sousa wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 01 Sep 2004 20:36:20 +0100 Upayavira wrote:

[...]

> >>So, can anyone either (a) help me fix the above or (b) tell me where I 
> >>can get help fixing the above or (c) recommend a SMTP/IMAP/Webmail setup 
> >>that is relatively easy to configure, and that can be installed with 
> >>apt-get from Sarge?
> >
> >(a) and (b) - No, sorry.
> >
> Oh well. Can anyone else answer (a) or (b)?
> 
> >(c) My home machine hosts all mail under my care, and uses Sendmail as
> >MTA, Courier-imap for both secure and unsecure IMAP connections
> >(local or over the internet), Squirrelmail and Apache-ssl for
> >secure remote mail retrievals with a web frontend. It's been
> >working reliably with no maintenance for over a year, surviving
> >all my daily apt-get dist-upgrades (Debian Testing).
> >
> Great. So if you're using courier IMAP, you've got sendmail sending to 
> Maildir folders?

sendmail -> procmail -> Maildir folders

I would imagine you could replace sendmail with any other MTA that can
forward to procmail.

> The other bit I didn't mention is that I'll need to support mailing 
> lists. I've installed courier-mlm, but haven't got near trying it.

Sorry, never tried to set up mailing lists.

> >The most difficult to set up was Courier-imap, mainly due to my
> >newbieness. The provided documentation was enough, a fair amount
> >of reading will get you through the whole setup.
> >
> I hope it isn't just Courier in general that is hard to set up. What 
> were the problems you had with Courier-imap?

I never tried the whole Courier solution, I just use Courier-imap. My
problems with it were mainly that the bits I needed to read were dispersed
throughout the massive, scary-looking documentation provided. But it's all
there. I went through this nearly two years ago, the documentation could
be much better organized now, haven't checked.

[...]
 
> But the idea of having my own server, handling my own mail, with 
> webmail, IMAP, mailing lists, etc, and all under my control, is rather 
> exciting.

I know the feeling :) Best of luck,

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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Paul Fraser]

Hendrik Boom wrote:
On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:39:36PM +0800, Li Daobing wrote:
Hello,
I have a linux server, the system is Debian sarge, kernel version is
2.6.7.
I want to know how to make the PS2 keyboard hotplug.

There may be confusion here -- is PS2 the hardwarey thing IBM came up
with a few years ago for making PC's, distinguishing ti from PS1?
Or is PS2 the well-known appreviation for the Sony PlayStation 2?
Both these systems can have keyboards.
-- hendrik

I'm pretty certain he's talking about the PS/2 connector on most 
motherboards that allow you to attach a keyboard and mouse. :)

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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Hendrik Boom]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:39:36PM +0800, Li Daobing wrote:
> Hello,
> I have a linux server, the system is Debian sarge, kernel version is
> 2.6.7.
> I want to know how to make the PS2 keyboard hotplug.

There may be confusion here -- is PS2 the hardwarey thing IBM came up
with a few years ago for making PC's, distinguishing ti from PS1?
Or is PS2 the well-known appreviation for the Sony PlayStation 2?

Both these systems can have keyboards.

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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Paul Fraser]

Li Daobing wrote:
I have a KVM swicth(keyboard, Visual, Mouse Switch), can it provide a
dummy keyboard and a dummy mouse?

Most do this already, yes.
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Re: Key Mapping: .Xdefaults -- translataions

[Thomas Dickey]

Bill Moseley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Is there a trick to unbind those mappings when vim starts and also
> restore them when vim exits back to mutt?

Probably not.  Why not just change the translations to send up/down arrow
controls?

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Re: Console-Based Appd Recommendations

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 05:18:32PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> On Thursday 02 September 2004 15:15, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:45:24PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> >
> > Emacs 21 has an enriched-mode that will load/save rtf. Dunno if it
> > will fit in 540MB, though.
> 
> It might be able to load rtf, but that doesn't make the rtf file Human 
> readable.  here's what I get when I load an rtf file that was created 
> with OpenOffice...
Oops, misremembered :(

> snipped
If you have some sort of printing script, you might do:

rtf-to-postscript-program < file.rtf | ps2pdf13 /dev/fd/0 /dev/fd/1 | pdftotext > 
file.txt

As for correctly-displaying rtf processors, you'll probably need an
Xserver.  (How much RAM do the XFree 3 packages (e.g. xserver-vga16)
use? Xfree 3 is very obsolete, but you can still get it in woody.)

> Also, not being able to browse to the files I want to open is going to 
> disqualify emacs for me.
Dired mode? C-x C-f .

> Any other console-based editors that can read rtf and either display 
> them properly or hide the markup code?
The Linux console can only display one font and a maximum of 16 colors
at one time. (Even with fbcon.)  And it has to be a monospaced font.

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Re: need iptables port forwarding help!

[Mike Fedyk]

Tom Vier wrote:
i've tried several times, using multiple different rules i've found from
different sites, and i still can't get port forwarding working. does anyone
have working rules they could send me? i'm trying to forward packets from my
isp to port  to an internal ip (i use nat) and port 22.
I suggest you use the shorewall package.
It adds enough abstraction to be powerful without getting in your way, 
and has very good documentation.

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Re: Making KDE my default GUI....

[Thomas Adam]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 07:40:07PM -0500, Kent West wrote:
> Will Ness wrote:
 
> All you need is the appropriate line for your desired wm/environment.

But KDM and GDM (yet another reason why the developers should be shot on
sight) do not honour ~/.xsession. XDM does, as does startx.

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Re: upgrading g++-3.3 gcc-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev

[Nate Duehr]

It's been reported as a bug.
The workaround is to force the installation of the packages if you need  
them and there's no other errors reported.

dpkg -i --force-all 
On Aug 28, 2004, at 10:20 AM, Anthony Costa wrote:
i'm getting overwrite problems when trying to apt-get upgrade the
following packages:
g++-3.3 gcc-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev
it seems the problem is in
/usr/share/doc//changelog.Debian.gz, which the new package
(replacing old package), fails to overwrite.
any help would be appreciated ... more info below:
ac;
The following packages will be upgraded:
  g++-3.3 gcc-3.3 libstdc++5-3.3-dev
  3 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 1 not upgraded.
  7 not fully installed or removed.
  Need to get 0B/4259kB of archives.
  After unpacking 0B of additional disk space will be used.
  Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
  Reading changelogs... Done
  (Reading database ... 34855 files and directories currently
  installed.)
  Preparing to replace gcc-3.3 1:3.3.4-6sarge1 (using
  .../gcc-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb) ...
  Unpacking replacement gcc-3.3 ...
  dpkg: error processing
  /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb
  (--unpack):
   trying to overwrite
   `/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.3-base/changelog.Debian.gz', which is also in
   package gcc-3.3-base
   dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
   Preparing to replace libstdc++5-3.3-dev 1:3.3.4-6sarge1 (using
   .../libstdc++5-3.3-dev_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb) ...
   Unpacking replacement libstdc++5-3.3-dev ...
   dpkg: error processing

/var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++5-3.3-dev_1%3a3.3.4 
-6sarge1.1_i386.deb
   (--unpack):
trying to overwrite
`/usr/share/doc/libstdc++5/changelog.Debian.gz', which is also in
package libstdc++5
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
Preparing to replace g++-3.3 1:3.3.4-6sarge1 (using
.../g++-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb) ...
Unpacking replacement g++-3.3 ...
dpkg: error processing
/var/cache/apt/archives/g++-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb
(--unpack):
 trying to overwrite
 `/usr/share/doc/gcc-3.3-base/changelog.Debian.gz', which is also
 in package gcc-3.3-base
 dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
 Errors were encountered while processing:
  /var/cache/apt/archives/gcc-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb

/var/cache/apt/archives/libstdc++5-3.3-dev_1%3a3.3.4 
-6sarge1.1_i386.deb
/var/cache/apt/archives/g++-3.3_1%3a3.3.4-6sarge1.1_i386.deb
	E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)

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Re: Making KDE my default GUI....

[Kent West]

Will Ness wrote:
Ok, I honestly tried to google and find the answer, but I have gotten 
is comparison reviews between Gnome and KDE. Can someone please tell 
me where the file resides that I need to edit? I have been scoping out 
/etc/X11 and usr/X11R6/bin and still am stumped.. Please help! TIA!!
Try creating/editing ~/.xinitrc; here's mine for a sample:
#sawfish
#icewm
#gnome-session
startkde
#flwm
#blackbox
#fvwm95
#larswm
#galeon
#fvwm95
#xterm
#twm
#wmaker
#xfwm
All you need is the appropriate line for your desired wm/environment.
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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Li Daobing]

I have a KVM swicth(keyboard, Visual, Mouse Switch), can it provide a
dummy keyboard and a dummy mouse?


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Re: Console-Based Appd Recommendations

[Scarletdown]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 15:15, Stefan O'Rear wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:45:24PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
>
> Emacs 21 has an enriched-mode that will load/save rtf. Dunno if it
> will fit in 540MB, though.

It might be able to load rtf, but that doesn't make the rtf file Human 
readable.  here's what I get when I load an rtf file that was created 
with OpenOffice...

{\rtf1\ansi\deff1\adeflang1025
{\fonttbl{\f0\froman\fprq2\fcharset0 Bitstream Vera Serif;}
{\f1\froman\fprq0\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}
{\f2\froman\fprq0\fcharset0 Times New Roman;}
{\f3\fmodern\fprq0\fcharset0 Courier New;}}
{\colortbl;\red0\green0\blue0;\red128\green128\blue128;}
{\stylesheet{\s1\cf0
{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\ql\rtlch\af1\afs24\lang255\ltrch\dbch\af1\langfe255\hich\f1\fs24\lang1033\loch\f1\fs24\lang1033\snext6
 
Default;}
{\s2\cf0
{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\ql\rtlch\af1\afs24\lang255\ltrch\dbch\af1\langfe255\hich\f1\fs24\lang1033\loch\f1\fs24\lang1033\sbasedon1\snext2
 
Text body;}
{\s3\cf0
{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\ql\rtlch\af1\afs24\lang255\ltrch\dbch\af1\langfe255\hich\f1\fs24\lang1033\loch\f1\fs24\lang1033\sbasedon2\snext7
 
List;}
{\s4\cf0
{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}\ql\rtlch\af1\afs20\lang255\ai\ltrch\dbch\af1\langfe255\hich\f1\fs20\lang1033\i\loch\f1\fs20\lang1033\i\sbasedon2\snext3
 
Caption;}
{\s5\cf0{\*\hyphen2\hyphlead2\hyphtrail2\hyphmax0}

Also, not being able to browse to the files I want to open is going to 
disqualify emacs for me.

Any other console-based editors that can read rtf and either display 
them properly or hide the markup code?


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Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

[Alan Chandler]

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:58, Abdullah Ramazanoglu wrote:

> It's my first post here, and I'm having hard time trying to underderstand
> why linux.debian.* is being run as mailing list in the first place. I have
> no problems with moderation and revealing my mail address (it's my spam
> collector anyway). But SMTP is for mail, NNTP is for threaded discussions.
> I had once subscribed to several lists, and seeing how awfully inefficient
> it is for such things, I had summarily stopped all my list subscriptions,
> and I will not subscribe to a single list anymore, no matter what, as a
> principle.
>
> Using mail as a vehicle for threaded discussion, seems to me only good for
> a tightly knit closed group. I can't understand why a public,
> usenet-mirrored group should be implemented as a mail list. For added
> gatewaying complexities? To download all the message bodies that I
> wouldn't read? To always feel that paranoia that my message might not be
> gatewayed to mail subscribers? To provide some with an oportunity to fork?
> (I suspect it will turn into a trolling place). Why not simply a moderated
> plain and straight, simple usenet NG?

I have a strong reason - I only want one application to read all these 
discussion on.  I run kde, and kmail is ergonomically far far easier to read 
mailing lists fast (and all the messages are properly threaded) than any of 
the news reading programs I've tried (knode and pan to name but two).

In fact, I prefer that so much so, that I run my own mailman mailing list 
gated to a newsgroup that I wish to read with just me subscribed so that I 
can read it in the same application.




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Re: Console-Based Apps Recommendations

[Scarletdown]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 15:20, Lance Hoffmeyer wrote:
> > First, there is the CD player.  I tried out cdcd, and it seems like
> > it will be suitable for my needs.  However, I need some sort of
> > front end for it, sorta like a XMMS, but in console mode, and works
> > with gpm.
>
> tcd

It looks like it has potential.  However, the only menu items that work 
are Change Play Mode and Quit.  How do I get it to actually recognize 
either of my cd-rom drives?

I've got the CD-RW drive as /dev/sr0 and the DVD drive as /dev/sr1, and 
with data CDs, I can mount them as /cdrw and /dvd, but the mount 
command does not work with audio CDs.


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Re: GTK App Fonts

[Steven Feinstein]

Peter O wrote:

> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 19:20, Steven Feinstein wrote:
>> The apps I use based on either GTK or Gnome start up with very small
>> fonts.
>> The apps I'm using are FireFox, The Gimp and gVIM.  I read in another
>> message that running gnome-settings-daemon solves the problem.  And it
>> did. My questions are:
>>
>> 1) Where should I put the call so it executes when I login (or startup
>> whichever is better).
>>
>> 2) Why do I need to do this?  Shouldn't the installation of gnome (even
>> if I don't use the gnome desktop) have taken care of this?
>>
>> My system is Testing (Sarge) using KDM and KDE.  I last updated my
>> packages on 9/1.
>>
>> Thanks for any pointers.
>>
>> Steve
> 
> Hi Steve,
> 
> you should put this line (or whatever font you prefer) into ~.gtkrc-2.0
> 
> gtk-font-name = "Sans 9"
> 
> Then your gtk apps will have this font under KDE.
> 
> Peter
> 
> 


That worked, thanks.  My menus and dialogs look a lot better.

Steve


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Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

[Abdullah Ramazanoglu]

begin  Paul Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki:
> Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
 --8<-- 

 I take it you're using POP3 to read your email.  IMAP works basically
 the same way as NNTP, so there's no clear win either way.
>>
>> Is it possible to work offline with IMAP? I.e. download headers, mark
>> some, than get the ones marked for download.
> 
> Yup.

Then someone has to clear unwanted messages from the IMAP server. And once
cleared, they're gone for good. Whereas with NNTP, no explicit deletion
needed: You just don't download the message and that's all. Also,
non-downloaded messages are still waiting there on the server, ready to be
read anytime until they're expired from the NNTP server.

Oh, BTW I completely forgot another important issue with mail lists: All
those wasted internet bandwith, list-server cycles, and overloaded
mailboxes (at ISP and local PC). Which translate into additional costs, to
be paid by someone(s).

>> This may be a clever solution. But it is awkward to employ a server just
>> to be able to circumvent limitations imposed by using wrong tools for the
>> task at hand. NNTP is specifically designed for threaded discussions, and
>> it has all the bells and whistles inherently needed for the task. Whereas
>> with mail one has to twist and bend to get somewhere near.
> 
> Once again, that is not true.  Mail also has a concept of threads.
> Compare Followup-To in news to References in mail.

Agreed. I was referring to "threaded discussions" for the sake of
completeness of the definition, not to particularly emphasize on threading
abilities.

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Making KDE my default GUI....

[Will Ness]

Ok, I honestly tried to google and find the answer, but I have gotten is 
comparison reviews between Gnome and KDE. Can someone please tell me where 
the file resides that I need to edit? I have been scoping out /etc/X11 and 
usr/X11R6/bin and still am stumped.. Please help! TIA!!

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Re: HTML editor. What to use?

[Sergio Basurto]

I love vim too, so whatever you decide to use it is ok,
I think vim is a very powerful tool, and I love that
editor, what I know is that which ever of both are a
good option to edit ;). 

Regards.


On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 16:55:30 -0400, Silvan wrote:

> 
> On Tuesday 31 August 2004 01:04 pm, Joris Huizer
wrote:
> 
> > > I think that the best editor that you can use is
> emacs,
> > > you can edit whatever you want there even
assembler.
> > >
> > > I recomend that one, besides you can run commands
> > > whithin it.
> 
> > Well, you can do all that in vim too ;) Don't call
> emacs or vim the
> > best, it's a matter of taste! :p
> 
> Pure nonsense.  Vim is the best.  It is unquestionably
> a matter of taste.  Vim 
> users have it.  Emacs users clearly do not.  Simple. 
:)
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Re: aptitude refuses to install gcc and a few other things

[Nate Duehr]

My system was complaining that one of the README files was provided by 
multiple gcc packages.  Looks like a packaging error.

A dpkg -i --force-all on the gcc packages worked to get them all 
installed after I carefully checked that this was the only thing apt 
was complaining about.  Same README file being modified by multiple gcc 
packages.

Nate
On Sep 1, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
I'm running denian-sarge.
When I try to install gcc using aptitude, I get the following lament:
ftp://mirror.direct.ca testing/main gcc-3.31:3.3.4 [ERROR]
 Unable to fetch file, server said 
'/pub/linux/debian/pool/main//g/gcc-3.3/gcc-3.

I get similar messages for several other files, such as cpp-3.3 
gcc-3.3 libgcj-common, mpeglib (I asked for a few other packages, 
too).

Is there a problem with gcc and friends?
Or with the mirror?
Or (most likely) have I done something wrong?
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Re: apt issues with gcc?

[Nate Duehr]

I also experienced this.  My system is complaining about files that are 
provided by multiple gcc packages.

A dpkg -i --force-all of the packages gets them installed okay.
Nate
On Aug 28, 2004, at 5:50 PM, Peter wrote:
Hi,
Am i the only person experiencing issues with apt?  I get some errors 
and
the upgrade aborts.  It seems to have issues with gcc.  I have tested 
it on
2 boxes.

I just joined the list, sorry if somebody else already reported this.
I am using woody/testing.
Greetings from Belgium,
Peter
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kdvi

[Hans Gubitz]

Why is kdvi only in unstable?

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Re: X-Windows startup issue!

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 11:18:58PM +0100, Thomas Adam wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:31:29PM +, Will Ness wrote:
> > Sweet it worked!!! You are my hero!!! I have been trying to get this to 
> > work, like FOREVER!! One more quick question: Where in the x-windows setup 
> > do you tell it to start kde instead of gnome?
> 
> update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

Do you mean/want:
update-alternatives --config x-session-manager

GNOME can use Sawfish, Enlightenment, Fvwm2, etc...
I don't use KDE, but I doubt it is locked into a single WM either.

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Re: cd-rom device loading error

[Josef Oswald]

Danilo Horta <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I can't mount my cd-rom device, so i tried "dmesg | grep hdc" (my cd-rom 
> dispositive) and i got this following msg:
>
>ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
> hdc: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCGCC-4320B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
> hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
> hdc: status error: error=0x00
> hdc: drive not ready for command
> hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
> hdc: irq timeout: error=0x00
> hdc: ATAPI reset complete
> hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
>
> Anybody can figure it out?

Since I saw the same messages some time ago on this box here too I had
to gooogle for some answers too. 

I found out that in my case I was trying to mount a badly burned CD,
dunno if this is the case here too, have you tried different CD's? 

one of the results of my search I kept, dunno if it helps :-(

!From: "Monique Y. Herman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
!Subject: Re: Compiling kernel - problems
!Newsgroups: linux.debian.user
!> 
!> I've read that these errors indicate something physically wrong with
!> your drive.  And that sometimes these errors only show up under
!> significant load -- which is why you may not have seen them before.
!> Check you logs anyway, maybe you'll find some.  
!
!I second this.  I have an old, old cdrom drive that generally works fine
!for small jobs, but will start spitting out errors similar to the OP's
!during intensive procedures.  For example, it freaks out when trying to
!rip CDs to wav.
!
!-- 
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>
> Thanks in advance

hth :-) 
 
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Icon colour not quite right after reinstall of kde

[debain-user]

Hi there

I managed to break my copy of KDE when upgrading to kde 3.3. As such I 
unistalled kde and reinstalled back to 3.2. All is fine except I have now 
have an irritating feature. When I click on an icon on the desktop a horrible 
red line replaces the black in the icon. Its get more obvious when I stop 
hovering over the selected icon.

I know its being picky but does anyone have any idea how I could rememdy this?

Thanks

Richard


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Icon colour not quite right after reinstall of kde

[debain-user]

Hi there

I managed to break my copy of KDE when upgrading to kde 3.3. As such I 
unistalled kde and reinstalled back to 3.2. All is fine except I have now 
have an irritating feature. When I click on an icon on the desktop a horrible 
red line replaces the black in the icon. Its get more obvious when I stop 
hovering over the selected icon.

I know its being picky but does anyone have any idea how I could rememdy this?

Thanks

Richard


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Re: Jigdo Sarge templates outdated?

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:07:22PM -0500, hugo vanwoerkom wrote:
> Now the templates et al. are dated almost a month back. Does that mean 
> that Sarge cdimage work has been suspended?
> Did I miss an announcement?

A note from :
| Note (Aug 30, 2004): The weekly CD build process is being modified to
| allow the fast generation of sarge CD images. While this work
| continues, no new weekly images are built - do not attempt to download
| images whose timestamp shows them to be older than one week!

(as I just translated this today I knew where to look)

Cheers,
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Re: X-Windows startup issue!

[Thomas Adam]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 09:31:29PM +, Will Ness wrote:
> Sweet it worked!!! You are my hero!!! I have been trying to get this to 
> work, like FOREVER!! One more quick question: Where in the x-windows setup 
> do you tell it to start kde instead of gnome?

update-alternatives --config x-window-manager

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Re: Console-Based Appd Recommendations

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:45:24PM -0700, Scarletdown wrote:
> I'm in the process of tinkering around with my old TI Extensa 450 Laptop 
> and getting Damn Dmall Linux installed on her, since she only has 12MB 
> RAM and a 540MB hard drive.
> 
> Due to memory limitations (until I can get a pair of 72 pin 16MB laptop 
> DIMMs), I am running without X.  Therefore, I am looking for a few 
> tools and apps that work in console mode.
> 
> First, there is the CD player.  I tried out cdcd, and it seems like it 
> will be suitable for my needs.  However, I need some sort of front end 
> for it, sorta like a XMMS, but in console mode, and works with gpm.
> 
> Second, since this laptop doesn't have a sound card, I am looking for a 
> speaker driver.  I have one over on the Windows 3.x side, which works 
> quite well and lets me play wav files through the PC speaker.  Is there 
> a similar driver (preferably one that can be loaded via insmod) 
> available in the Debian archives?  And even better, perhaps something 
> that can handle mp3 and ogg files.

Fr0m the Linux 2.6.0 Kconfig:
}} I'm told that even without a sound card, you can make your computer say
}} more than an occasional beep, by programming the PC speaker.  Kernel
}} patches and supporting utilities to do that are in the pcsp package,
}} available at .


> Another thing I am hoping is out there is a word processor that can 
> handle rtf files.  At the very least, it needs to at least be able to 
> load an rtf file and hide the markups, and then save back to rtf.
Emacs 21 has an enriched-mode that will load/save rtf. Dunno if it will
fit in 540MB, though.

> Email:  What text based client do you folk recommend?  I'm leaning 
> towards PINE, but I can't remember if PINE supports POP3 or not.
Mutt comes standard (in Debian atleast; PINE is in nonfree), and works
well for me.

> News Reader
> 
> IRC Client
> 
> That's all I can think of at the moment.  Any suggestions for any of the 
> above?
> 
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Icon colour not quite right after reinstall of kde

[debian-user]

Hi there

I managed to break my copy of KDE when upgrading to kde 3.3. As such I
unistalled kde and reinstalled back to 3.2. All is fine except I have now
have an irritating feature. When I click on an icon on the desktop a
horrible red line replaces the black in the icon. Its get more obvious when
I stop hovering over the selected icon.

I know its being picky but does anyone have any idea how I could rememdy 
this?

Thanks

Richard


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Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

[Paul Johnson]

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Abdullah Ramazanoglu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> Your PC would carry the whole NG instead of the messages you're interested
> in. In the long run you would have two choices: Either set up a rather
> short expiry period (which would clear away the messages you might like to
> keep longer), or have a rather bloated inbox (or appropriate folders)
> which would stretch access time to disk, perhaps to the point it would
> take downloading it from the net.

NNTPCache is the happy middle.

> A third option could be setting up separate expirations and filters
> for each folder (list), separately marking each message you like to
> keep longer, and generally putting up with a galore of unnecessary
> toil.

It's not that big of a deal with gnus.

>>> I take it you're using POP3 to read your email.  IMAP works basically
>>> the same way as NNTP, so there's no clear win either way.
>
> Is it possible to work offline with IMAP? I.e. download headers, mark
> some, than get the ones marked for download.

Yup.

> This may be a clever solution. But it is awkward to employ a server just
> to be able to circumvent limitations imposed by using wrong tools for the
> task at hand. NNTP is specifically designed for threaded discussions, and
> it has all the bells and whistles inherently needed for the task. Whereas
> with mail one has to twist and bend to get somewhere near.

Once again, that is not true.  Mail also has a concept of threads.
Compare Followup-To in news to References in mail.
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Re: ALSA

[Magnus Therning]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 03:29:26PM -0400, Rod MacPherson wrote:
[..]
>The first is /etc/hotplug/blacklist add a line with just the name of
>the OSS version of the sound driver module for your soundcard/chipset.
>(in my case, since mine is an AC97 compatible chipset it was
>"i810_audio")

The package alsa-base comes with the file
/etc/hotplug/blacklist.d/alsa-base I guess that if that file doesn't
take care of your problems with getting hotplug to leave out OSS modules
then you should bug report.

>The second is /etc/discover.conf add a skip line for your OSS module
>(in my case it was "skip i810_audio")

Ah, cool. I removed the discover package to get my ALSA working. This
would have been a cleaner solution.

>This should prevent the system from discovering it as well as prevent
>hotplug from loading it later in the bootup process.

These two packages seem to overlap, don't they? Hotplug is pulled in due
to udev and seems to do a bit of discovery, what is left for discover to
do? (My system seems to work just fine with only hotplug + udev.) Will
there be more magic is both are installed?

One other note. I recently had a problem with hotplug and ALSA, this was
due to hotplug thinking that I needed the snd_usb_audio module inserted.
I haven't got a clue why it all of a sudden started thinking that!
Adding it to the blacklist took care of the problem.

/M

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Console-Based Appd Recommendations

[Scarletdown]

I'm in the process of tinkering around with my old TI Extensa 450 Laptop 
and getting Damn Dmall Linux installed on her, since she only has 12MB 
RAM and a 540MB hard drive.

Due to memory limitations (until I can get a pair of 72 pin 16MB laptop 
DIMMs), I am running without X.  Therefore, I am looking for a few 
tools and apps that work in console mode.

First, there is the CD player.  I tried out cdcd, and it seems like it 
will be suitable for my needs.  However, I need some sort of front end 
for it, sorta like a XMMS, but in console mode, and works with gpm.

Second, since this laptop doesn't have a sound card, I am looking for a 
speaker driver.  I have one over on the Windows 3.x side, which works 
quite well and lets me play wav files through the PC speaker.  Is there 
a similar driver (preferably one that can be loaded via insmod) 
available in the Debian archives?  And even better, perhaps something 
that can handle mp3 and ogg files.

Another thing I am hoping is out there is a word processor that can 
handle rtf files.  At the very least, it needs to at least be able to 
load an rtf file and hide the markups, and then save back to rtf.

Email:  What text based client do you folk recommend?  I'm leaning 
towards PINE, but I can't remember if PINE supports POP3 or not.

News Reader

IRC Client

That's all I can think of at the moment.  Any suggestions for any of the 
above?


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gui sftp client (using rssh on server)

[Carl Devos]

Hello,

I've installed rssh on my server so users can only use scp and sftp.

Works fine with sftp in CLI, but I can't find a Linux graphical client
which works in sarge (I found FileZilla for Windows).

I've tried gFTP, but when I tick "Use SSH2 SFTP subsys" in
FTP/Options/SSH, I get the following error:

Opening SSH connection to www.genappe.be
Running program ssh -e none -l genappe -p 22  -s sftp
3: Protocol Initialization
There was an error initializing a SSH connection with the remote server.
The error message from the remote server follows: ssh_askpass:
exec(/usr/bin/ssh-askpass): No such file or directory Disconnecting from
site 

SSH2 sftp-server path is set to /usr/lib and I didn't tick "Use
ssh-askpass utility".

So, I installed kbear (sarge again), but there I get only the following
protocols: ftp or fonts.
Is there any other kde package I should install to get sftp?

Lastly, I tried konqueror with fish:// but it didn't work.
I guess it's because it's not using true sftp (probably ssh).

Anybody got another gui client working with rssh on the server?

Thanks for your time,

Carl


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Re: X-Windows startup issue!

[Will Ness]

Sweet it worked!!! You are my hero!!! I have been trying to get this to 
work, like FOREVER!! One more quick question: Where in the x-windows setup 
do you tell it to start kde instead of gnome?

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Re: knoppix vs standard debian?

[Silvan]

On Wednesday 01 September 2004 08:38 pm, Scotty Fitzgerald wrote:

> Is there a webpage or faq, or can somebody clue me in to, whether I
> should get a "regular" debian?!  Would there be an advantage to, say,
> picking up a copy of "Debian Bible" and installing that instead over
> knoppix debian?

If it's the same book I looked at not long back, it comes with Debian Potato 
on the back cover.  That's about 17.6 million years old in Linux terms.  So 
no, that's probably not a good way to go.

> As a follow up, if I get a "regular" debian, will I eventually be able
> to make my own bootable debian CD with my selections of software?  Or
> is this a capability that only knoppix has?

Sure you can.  I don't actually know how to do it, come to think of it, but 
it's certainly possible.  That's how KNOPPIX does it after all.  One thing 
about Debian (and Linux more generally) is that we have tools out the wazoo 
to do things that Windows users have to pay a lot of money for.  They're not 
always the most intuitive or easy to use tools, but they're bristling with 
useful gadgets.

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Re: interview with joey hess

[Silvan]

> while trying to help set up someone's machine for them: if all else fails,
> you resort to the NATO phonetic alphabet and spell commands letter by
> letter :)

LOL!!  Been there.  Foxtrot Sierra Charlie Kilo Space Slash Delta Echo Victor 
Slash Hotel Delta Alpha Niner Enter.

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cd-rom device loading error

[Danilo Horta]

I can't mount my cd-rom device, so i tried "dmesg | grep hdc" (my cd-rom 
dispositive) and i got this following msg:

   ide1: BM-DMA at 0xfc08-0xfc0f, BIOS settings: hdc:DMA, hdd:pio
hdc: HL-DT-ST RW/DVD GCGCC-4320B, ATAPI CD/DVD-ROM drive
hdc: status error: status=0x58 { DriveReady SeekComplete DataRequest }
hdc: status error: error=0x00
hdc: drive not ready for command
hdc: irq timeout: status=0xd0 { Busy }
hdc: irq timeout: error=0x00
hdc: ATAPI reset complete
hdc: ATAPI 40X DVD-ROM CD-R/RW drive, 2048kB Cache
Anybody can figure it out?
Thanks in advance
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Re: Logging on kernel 2.2

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:32:56PM -0400, Scott Mohnkern wrote:
> We're seeing something quite strange.  Periodically, logging to messages  
> just "stops"  then it restarts.
> 
> 
> Anyone know what causes this?

Maybe. Debian rotates logs by default, and klogd can't do much during
the rotation. But logging should only stop for less than a second - how
long does it stop?

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Re: HTML editor. What to use?

[Silvan]

On Tuesday 31 August 2004 01:04 pm, Joris Huizer wrote:

> > I think that the best editor that you can use is emacs,
> > you can edit whatever you want there even assembler.
> >
> > I recomend that one, besides you can run commands
> > whithin it.

> Well, you can do all that in vim too ;) Don't call emacs or vim the
> best, it's a matter of taste! :p

Pure nonsense.  Vim is the best.  It is unquestionably a matter of taste.  Vim 
users have it.  Emacs users clearly do not.  Simple.  :)

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Logging on kernel 2.2

[Scott Mohnkern]

We're seeing something quite strange.  Periodically, logging to messages  
just "stops"  then it restarts.

Anyone know what causes this?
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Re: interview with joey hess

[Jaldhar H. Vyas]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Joey Hess wrote:

> Hasan wrote:
> > interview with joey hess
> >
> > http://debian.degismez.com/debian.mp3
>
> This is not me, it's Jaldhar H. Vyas. Apparently our names sound similar
> in poor-quality mp4 audio.
>

Yep, thats me being interviewed by Linuxworld Magazine.  I hope Hasan got
their permission before putting this up on his server.


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Re: interview with joey hess

[Andrew M.A. Cater]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:13:38PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote:
> > http://debian.degismez.com/debian.mp3
> 
> This is not me, it's Jaldhar H. Vyas. Apparently our names sound similar
> in poor-quality mp4 audio.
Interesting :)  I see so much from people on mailing lists and see
other Debian folk in Real Life so rarely that I'd kind of forgotten
that any of us could still speak - even though I read hundreds of emails 
a day from the same Debian folk :)

Should we produce audio guides to Debian as a matter of course ? 
I ask because I have been involved in huge telephone conversations 
while trying to help set up someone's machine for them: if all else fails, 
you resort to the NATO phonetic alphabet and spell commands letter by letter :)

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Re: OT Re: First general purpose unmoderated newsgroup for Debian

[Abdullah Ramazanoglu]

begin  Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> dedi ki:
> On Wed, 01 Sep 2004, Kirk Strauser wrote:
>> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 07:01 pm, Travis Crump wrote:
>>
>>> I don't mean the latency of posting->post appearing, I mean the
>>> latency of clicking a subject and seeing the body.  For e-mail the
>>> latency is roughly equal to a hard drive access since fetchmail
>>> fetches my mail in the background.

Your PC would carry the whole NG instead of the messages you're interested
in. In the long run you would have two choices: Either set up a rather
short expiry period (which would clear away the messages you might like to
keep longer), or have a rather bloated inbox (or appropriate folders)
which would stretch access time to disk, perhaps to the point it would
take downloading it from the net. A third option could be setting up
separate expirations and filters for each folder (list), separately
marking each message you like to keep longer, and generally putting up
with a galore of unnecessary toil.

OTOH, with an offline news reader you can download all the headers, mark
the ones you would like to read offline, get online and download the
marked messages, then read and reply to them offline. Quite efficient.
Additionally you would have cached only the messages you have deliberately
downloaded. So you could set a really long expiration period, and still
you would have quite a light and fast message cache.

>> So install Leafnode and use that as your local server.
> 
> In which case he might be better off with email anyway.

Right. Also I would prefer to use the right method in the first place,
rather than try to circumvent shortcoming of a wrong method.

>>> For usenet, it is equal to a network access as the body 
>>> needs to be fetched from a usenet server.  I suppose that you could
>>> pre-fetch all the bodies, but that would negate one of the 'benefits'
>>> that the post I was reponding to mentioned.

This is so with online news readers (like KNode). But with an offline
reader (like Mozilla or Pan) you don't have to prefetch all the bodies.
 
>> I take it you're using POP3 to read your email.  IMAP works basically
>> the same way as NNTP, so there's no clear win either way.

Is it possible to work offline with IMAP? I.e. download headers, mark
some, than get the ones marked for download.
 
> And if you use a new Cyrus IMAPd (no, I didn't upload a package of it
> yet), it also accesses the same thing :-)  You can access the same spool
> using either NNTP or IMAP.  And get messages into it using either NNTP
> or LMTP. So all your email and netnews sit on the same place.

This may be a clever solution. But it is awkward to employ a server just
to be able to circumvent limitations imposed by using wrong tools for the
task at hand. NNTP is specifically designed for threaded discussions, and
it has all the bells and whistles inherently needed for the task. Whereas
with mail one has to twist and bend to get somewhere near.

In a nutshell I see this whole "mail lists for public discussions" thing
like this: A teaspoon can be used as a screw-driver, and a screw-driver
can be used to mix a cup of tea. But what is the point?
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Re: interview with joey hess

[Joey Hess]

Hasan wrote:
> interview with joey hess
> 
> http://debian.degismez.com/debian.mp3

This is not me, it's Jaldhar H. Vyas. Apparently our names sound similar
in poor-quality mp4 audio.

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Re: logrotate and bzip2, bz2 on woody stable rotation problem

[xavier]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 03:11:09PM -0400, Bill Marcum wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 03:52:36PM -0400, xavier wrote:
> > 
> > Hi, I've a problem with logrotate and bzip2,
> > logrotate wont rotate my file !...
> > 
> > 
> > $ logrotate -v :
> > 
> > rotating file /var/log/syslog
> > log needs rotating
> > compressing previous log with: /usr/bin/bzip2 --best '/var/log/syslog.1'
> > bzip2: Output file /var/log/syslog.1.bz2 already exists.
> > failed to compress previous log /var/log/syslog.1
> > file /var/log/syslog.401.bz2 doesn't exist -- won't try dispose of it
> > 
> > 
> > logrotate.conf : 
> > 
> > # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed
> > compress
> > delaycompress
> > compresscmd /usr/bin/bzip2
> > compressoptions --best
>   compressoptions -f --best
> 


hum, this will just erase the old file,
not rotating it, right ?

i think i'd like to keep my logs... ?


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Re: Moving_Installed_Files

[Cousin Stanley]

On 2004-09-02, Stefan O'Rear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 06:59:11PM +, Cousin Stanley wrote:

>>   If I move installed files from their original 
>>   apt-get install target locations, is there a
>>   a simple way to redirect the package managers
>>   to cope with these path changes for future 
>>   updates/upgrades of a particular package ?
>>   

> man dpkg-divert
>

Stefan  

  Thanks for the *super-fast* reply 
  
  dpkg-divert seems to be exactly what I need ...


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ALSA

[Rod MacPherson]

I've seen a number of people complaining about also not loading properly
recently.

I too had that problem. OSS worked, but ALSA didn't.

After much searching and experimentation here is the solution:

ALSA will not load if OSS is alrady loaded.

If you are using a stock 2.6 kernel OSS and ALSA are both enabled, and OSS
will try to load first.

There are two places to try to prevent this behavior without having to
recompile your kernel with OSS disabled.

The first is /etc/hotplug/blacklist
add a line with just the name of the OSS version of the sound driver
module for your soundcard/chipset. (in my case, since mine is an AC97
compatible chipset it was "i810_audio")

The second is /etc/discover.conf
add a skip line for your OSS module
(in my case it was "skip i810_audio")

This should prevent the system from discovering it as well as prevent
hotplug from loading it later in the bootup process.

Best of luck to all those who were having ALSA troubles.
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Re: interview with joey hess

[Paul Johnson]

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>
> http://debian.degismez.com/debian.mp3

Sort of the standard "Welcome to Debian" sorta stuff, good for
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e2fsck, smartmontools

[Richard Weil]

Can e2fsck repair/cope with physical problems with a disk?

smartmontools found a number of bad blocks on my hard drive. I don't
remember the exact wording. Other disk parameters seemed fine, i.e.,
the disk as a whole was not in imminent danger of failure.

Can e2fsck, or some other program, permanently cordon-off these bad
blocks so that I can continue to use (the rest) of the drive? I would
rather lose parts of the current drive than have to get a new one.

Richard

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Jigdo Sarge templates outdated?

[hugo vanwoerkom]

Hi!
Trying to generate the Sarge CD#1 with jigdo-lite I get 91 files that 
are missing. I use 
http://cdimage.debian.org/pub/cdimage-testing/cd/jigdo-area/i386[...] 
for the jigdo files and templates.
When I take a random check on what is missing, I get. e.g. that he 
cannot find ntp-server_4.2.0a-10. When you look on 
ftp://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/n/ntp/ you find that that has 
version -11.
Now the templates et al. are dated almost a month back. Does that mean 
that Sarge cdimage work has been suspended?
Did I miss an announcement?

Anybody else have this problem?
Regards,
Hugo
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Re: Usb mouse frozen randomly [solved]

[John Fry]

Paul Johnson  ursine.dyndns.org> writes:

> Hasan  degismez.com> writes:
> 
> > I was using 2.4.27-1-k7 now upgrade to 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel . And all the
> > things perfect and faster now . If anybody have a problem with usb
> > optical mouse change your kernel to 2.6  .
> 
> I'm running 2.6.8 already and I have that problem still...

I'm still freezing too.  Latest pre-compiled 2.6.8 kernel on Sid, ThinkPad T22.

It's not just the usb mouse-- it also freezes with a PS2 mouse and even with no
external mouse (just the trackpointer).  Usually the machine seems to be warm or
under a heavy load.

I had a theory it was ACPI, but Hasan was probably using APM on his 2.4 kernel,
so it must be something else.

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Re: EXT3 and data=journal

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 02:55:14PM -0400, Mason Loring Bliss wrote:
> How can I use data=journal mode in Sarge, stock kernel 2.4.26-1-i386? If
> I include data=journal in /etc/fstab, I'm told that I can't change the
> journal mode during a remount. Using tune2fs to set journal=data doesn't
> seem to help.

A remount is what you get when you change things like that while the
system is running. Add data=journal to /etc/fstab, and run:

   sudo shutdown -r now

   OR,

   sudo init 6

Yes there are still a few settings that only take effect when you
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Re: logrotate and bzip2, bz2 on woody stable rotation problem

[Bill Marcum]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 03:52:36PM -0400, xavier wrote:
> 
> Hi, I've a problem with logrotate and bzip2,
> logrotate wont rotate my file !...
> 
> 
> $ logrotate -v :
> 
> rotating file /var/log/syslog
> log needs rotating
> compressing previous log with: /usr/bin/bzip2 --best '/var/log/syslog.1'
> bzip2: Output file /var/log/syslog.1.bz2 already exists.
> failed to compress previous log /var/log/syslog.1
> file /var/log/syslog.401.bz2 doesn't exist -- won't try dispose of it
> 
> 
> logrotate.conf : 
> 
> # uncomment this if you want your log files compressed
> compress
> delaycompress
> compresscmd /usr/bin/bzip2
> compressoptions --best
  compressoptions -f --best


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Re: Moving_Installed_Files

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 06:59:11PM +, Cousin Stanley wrote:
> Greetings  
> 
>   If I move installed files from their original 
>   apt-get install target locations, is there a
>   a simple way to redirect the package managers
>   to cope with these path changes for future 
>   updates/upgrades of a particular package ?
>   
>   For example, I've installed the  python2.3-qt3  package
>   under Debian/Sarge and moved all of the associated files
>   into a  NEW  dir within the  /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages  dir 
>   and added a necessary  .pth  file to compliment the python 
>   search rules 
>   
>   So far, this seems to function as expected in the  python/qt  zone,
>   e.g., all of the  python/qt  demos still work, but I'm wondering
>   how to deal with future updates/upgrades 

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ARRGH defoma-hints also not working :-/ Re: How can I check if defoma is working correctly?

[Josef Oswald]

Well this happens with testing but read on

Josef Oswald <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I install msttcorefonts and I use defoma.  I have not installed any 
> additional fonts other then those which came with the msttcorefonts
> package. I could add more from my Windows98 directory 
>
> now in xfontsel in the "microsoft" section I see only comic san;
> georgia; trebuchet; verdana; webdings, are those the only ones that come
> with the msttcorefonts package? 
>
> Now if I do install others from  Win98, how do I tell defoma that new
> fonts are to be included? 

Now I copied more fonts into /usr/share/fonts/MS-truetype

"man defoma-hints" told me that it would a create a new hints-file, 

but 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:# defoma-hints MS-truetype.hints
/usr/share/fonts/MS-truetype/ *.ttf > MS-truetype.hints
  
gives out this error:

defoma-hints Can't locate FreeType.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl 
/usr/local/lib/perl/5.8.4 /usr/local/share/perl/5.8.4 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 
/usr/lib/perl/5.8 /usr/share/perl/5.8 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at (eval 3) line 2.
\n

So thats the end of trying to generate a new hintsfile, 

now the relevant file in /usr/share/defoma/libhint-truetype.pl starts
with: 

my @ENCODING;
my @ID_LANG;
my %ID_Region;

BEGIN {
eval ("use FreeType");
exitfunc(255, "libft-perl is needed.") if ($@ ne '');

@ENCODING = qw(Symbol Unicode ShiftJIS GB2312 BIG5 WanSung Johab);

@ID_LANG =

I thought that changing "FreeType" to "TrueType" would solve the problem,
but it did not. 

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Moving_Installed_Files

[Cousin Stanley]

Greetings  

  If I move installed files from their original 
  apt-get install target locations, is there a
  a simple way to redirect the package managers
  to cope with these path changes for future 
  updates/upgrades of a particular package ?
  
  For example, I've installed the  python2.3-qt3  package
  under Debian/Sarge and moved all of the associated files
  into a  NEW  dir within the  /usr/lib/python2.3/site-packages  dir 
  and added a necessary  .pth  file to compliment the python 
  search rules 
  
  So far, this seems to function as expected in the  python/qt  zone,
  e.g., all of the  python/qt  demos still work, but I'm wondering
  how to deal with future updates/upgrades 
  

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RE: Iptables help ..

[David Bokan]

Title: RE: Iptables help ..





From: David Bokan
Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:56 PM
To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]'
Subject: RE: Iptables help ..
 
I think that you'd have to use the FORWARD chain instead of INPUT
/sbin/iptables -A FORWARD -p tcp -I eth0 -s 0/0 -d ! 10.0.0.0/8 --dport 25  -j REJECT
 
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2004 1:22 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Iptables help ..
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am using the following iptables rules for the NAT, but i also want to
> block outgoing port 25 traffic from the LAN clients. INAT works fine but
> the outgoing port 25 is still open
> 
> /sbin/iptables -F -t nat
> /sbin/iptables -A INPUT -p tcp -i eth0 -s 0/0 -d ! 10.0.0.0/8
> --dport 25
> -j REJECT
> /sbin/iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING -o eth1 -j MASQUERADE
> 
> But the outgoing port 25 is still open, can some tell me whats wrong in
> these rules.
> 
> Regards
> Azher
> 
> 
> 
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EXT3 and data=journal

[Mason Loring Bliss]

How can I use data=journal mode in Sarge, stock kernel 2.4.26-1-i386? If
I include data=journal in /etc/fstab, I'm told that I can't change the
journal mode during a remount. Using tune2fs to set journal=data doesn't
seem to help.

Thanks in advance for assistance!

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> ATTACHMENT part 1 message/rfc822 
> 
> debian-user-digest Digest Volume 2004 : Issue
> 1051
> 
> Today's Topics:
>   Re: alsa stopped working  [ Mark
> Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Bluefish keybindings  [ Francisco
> Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: raid 1 setup. [ Roger
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: alsa stopped working  [ Antonio
> Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Testing mailing list  [ Carlos
> Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: KMail crashing on startup.[
> Scarletdown <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Configuring Courier   [ Carlos
> Sousa <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Using LILO on non-linux disk  [ Alvin Oga
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: grub wants root=/dev/hde?? - map  [ Alvin Oga
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: First general purpose unmoderate  [ Travis
> Crump <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: Real Debian LiveCD?   [ Tom
> Pfeifer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: First general purpose unmoderate  [ Paul
> Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   RE: newbie Xlib install/configure qu  [ "Mark D.
> Hansen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED] ]
>   Re: newbie Xlib install/configure qu  [ Stefan
> O'Rear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
>   Re: Real Debian LiveCD?   [ Stefan
> O'Rear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ]
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 
> Date: Thu, 02 Sep 2004 06:18:12 +1000
> From: Mark Hannon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Antonio Rodriguez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> CC: Debian Users List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: alsa stopped working
> 
> I have had problems with Audigy cards over upgrades
> before.  If you run
> the alsa-mixer and check if your 'audigy
> digital/analog output' you may
> find that it is incorrect (it seemed to toggle on at
> least one upgrade
> for me). /mark
> 
> On Wed, 2004-09-01 at 15:04 -0400, Antonio Rodriguez
> wrote:
> > Using sid, somehow alsa stopped working; the only
> thing I can think of
> > between the last time I heard it and the time I
> noticed it wasn't
> > working is that I started kde in vt8 (while having
> gnome in vt7), and
> > perhaps an upgrade, but I don't remember seeing
> any alsa related
> > stuff. Any ideas?
> > reboot didn't help, alsamixer settings were
> recovered to no avail, rm -r
> > .kde doesn't help either (don't use kde much)
> > lspci
> > :02:0b.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative
> Labs SB Audigy (rev 03)
> > 
> > 
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 3 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 22:38:38 +0200
> From: Francisco Borges <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Debian User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Bluefish keybindings
> 
> Hello!
> 
> I asked a couple of days ago about HTML editors and
> ended up finding
> bluefish beter than quanta or other alternatives.
> (BTW, thanks a lot for
> all the help with that question).
> 
> My problem now is that I am a heavy emacs user, I
> didn't like emacs HTML
> mode and I find myself in all sorts of trouble
> trying to kill, copy,
> paste etc inside bluefish with it's "desktop like"
> keybindings.
> 
> Is there any way to get the editor in bluefish to
> remap its keys? There
> is a /save shortcut_keys/ option under edit but I
> coudn't find out how
> ot use it. Any pointers?
> 
> Thank you for your attention,
> 
> Francisco.
> 

> ATTACHMENT part 4 message/rfc822 
> Date: Wed, 01 Sep 2004 15:44:22 -0500
> From: Roger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: raid 1 setup.
> 
> Roger wrote:
> 
> > I'm trying to get raid 1 going on my Sarge
> unstable box.
> >
> > When I installed raidltools2 and mdadm doing a
> /proc/mdstat gave the 
> > following
> >
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/etc/network# cat /proc/mdstat
> > Personalities : [raid1]
> > read_ahead 1024 sectors
> > md2 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part3[1]
> >  3148672 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> > md1 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part2[1]
> >  7269312 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> > md0 : active raid1
> ide/host0/bus0/target1/lun0/part1[1]
> >  25728000 blocks [2/1] [_U]
> >
> >
> > The thing is I have yet to create any md devices
> and my
> >
> > /etc/raidtab   <-which raidtools doesn't use - but
> I checked anyway
> > /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
> >
> > files are empty..
> >
> > How do I get rid of these bogus md devices?  I'm
> at a loss as to where 
> > the are configured, and that mdadm doesn't seem to
> have a erase or 
> > delete function to it
> 
> I finally got around to removing the md devices even
> though I had a 
> empty raidtab
> 
> raidstop /dev/mdx
> 
> That remove the raid entries in /proc/mdstat, while
> preserving the md 
> devices in /dev - from their I was able to create
> new raid devices.
> 
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> ATTACHMENT part 5 message/rfc822 
> Date: W

Re: irq redundancies in boot loader message

[Bill Marcum]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 11:55:27AM -0700, God bless us all, everyone. wrote:
> Please CC me as I am unsubscribed.
> The boot loader reports:
> ttyS00 at 0x03f8 irq=4 is at 16550A
> ttyS01 at 0x02f8 irq=3 is at 16550A
> ttyS02 at 0x03e8 irq=4 is at 16550A
> The modem (which has failed all attempts to dial) USR Sportster, ?56K,
> WAS indeed on COM3 (ttyS2) and irq4 before I observed this message and
> set irq2 with the physical jumper.  Rebooting did not avail, and
> rescue.bin made the identical report, in fact, and preempted my full
> reinstallation.  ttyS02 remains irq4.  Is there an idea I may try?
> 

setserial /dev/ttyS2 irq4

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Debian install program unable to mount CD-ROM

[ERIC MICHAEL HIELSCHER]

Hi,

My name is Eric Hielscher, and I am having trouble installing Debian on my brand new 
computer (which I really want to use).  First things first, here is a hardware list:

MSI 865PE Neo2 Motherboard
Intel P4 3.2GHz w/ HT
512MB DDR
Sony 16x DVD-ROM
LITEON CDRW
2 80GB Seagate SATA HDDs
NVidia GeForce FX 5900

Notably absent is a floppy drive. :)

First when I was trying to install Debian, it was unable to find my HDDs.  I poked 
around the net and found that SATA support is, well, interesting, so I set my BIOS to 
Legacy ATA mode.  This allowed me to have the Debian install program find my HDDs, and 
I was able to partition them and initialize the file systems.  Now when I try to move 
to the next step in the install process, Install kernel and modules, Debian is unable 
to mount either of my CD drives.  My BIOS was able to find them, as I booted off the 
CD.  I have been told to check the fstab file, but I don’t think that is available to 
me at this stage (I am kind of a newb).  I also tried to boot the install program with 
the flag ide=nodma as someone told me that might help but no luck.

Any ideas at all as to what I should try?

Thanks,

Eric

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Re: X-Windows startup issue!

[Stefan O'Rear]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 04:23:52PM +, Will Ness wrote:
> Whew!! It was tough but I finally figured it out! Anyways here is a copy of 
> the error file that X-Windows created when it couldn't start up. If anyone 
> could help me, that would awesome. TIA!!
> 
> -Will
> 
> Hardware Info:
> 
> Ati Rage 128 Pro Ultra AGP (I believe it has 64 mb of video memory)
> 
> Dell monitor (generic)
> 
>   supports a max of 800X600 at 60 mhz
> 
> Have another Monitor
> 
> an HP Pavillion v70s
> 
> supports a max of 1024X768 at 75 mhz
> 
> would like to have X-Windows work on both (is this acceptable to linux?)
> 
> Thanks!!
> 
> P.S- Oh yeah I forgot, It will only allow me to run 'startx' as root, is 
> there anyway to make it, so I can run 'startx' as a normal user? TIA!!
 
> 
> 
> ___
> 
> X: unable to open wrapper config file /etc/X11/Xwrapper.config
> X: warning; process set to priority -1 instead of requested priority 0
Xwrapper.config is missing?

Mine is:
### BEGIN DEBCONF SECTION
# Do not edit within this region if you want your changes to be preserved by
# debconf.  Instead, make changes after the "### END DEBCONF SECTION" line.
allowed_users=console
nice_value=-10
### END DEBCONF SECTION

Maybe if you create Xwrapper.config with that content it will work. It
should have been created by the X install (is X configured?).

> This is a pre-release version of XFree86, and is not supported in any
> way.  Bugs may be reported to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and patches submitted
> to [EMAIL PROTECTED]  Before reporting bugs in pre-release versions,
> please check the latest version in the XFree86 CVS repository
> (http://www.XFree86.Org/cvs).
> 
> XFree86 Version 4.3.0.1 (Debian 4.3.0.dfsg.1-6 20040707142024
> [EMAIL PROTECTED])
> Release Date: 15 August 2003
> X Protocol Version 11, Revision 0, Release 6.6
> Build Operating System: Linux 2.4.23 i686 [ELF]
> Build Date: 07 July 2004
>   Before reporting problems, check http://www.XFree86.Org/
>   to make sure that you have the latest version.
> Module Loader present
> OS Kernel: Linux version 2.2.20-idepci ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc version 
> 2.7.2.3)
Are you trying to run a Sarge Xfree on Woody?

> #1 Sat Apr 20 12:45:19 EST 2002 TF
> Markers: (--) probed, (**) from config file, (==) default setting,
> (++) from command line, (!!) notice, (II) informational,
> (WW) warning, (EE) error, (NI) not implemented, (??) unknown.
> (==) Log file: "/var/log/XFree86.0.log", Time: Thu Sep  2 11:33:48 2004
> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/XF86Config-4"
> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_clip.o":  No
> symbols found
> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_norm.o":  No
> symbols found
> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_xform.o":  
> No
> symbols found
> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/libGLcore.a:m_debug_vertex.o":  
> No
> symbols found
> (EE) Failed to load module "pex5" (module does not exist, 0)
> Skipping "/usr/X11R6/lib/modules/fonts/libspeedo.a:spencode.o":  No symbols
> found
> (EE) Failed to load module "xie" (module does not exist, 0)
> (EE) Unable to find a valid framebuffer device
> (EE) R128(0): Failed to open framebuffer device, consult warnings and/or 
> errors
> above for possible reasons
>   (you may have to look at the server log to see warnings)
> (EE) Screen(s) found, but none have a usable configuration.
> 
> Fatal server error:
> no screens found
In your /etc/X11/XF86Config-4 file, you will find something like this:
Section "Device"
Identifier  "Generic Video Card"
Driver  "vesa"
#   BusID   "PCI:1:0:0"
#   Option  "UseFBDev"  "true"
EndSection

Try changing the word after Driver to "vesa".
IfFailure: Try "vga16"

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> the full server output, not just the last messages.
> This can be found in the log file "/var/log/XFree86.0.log".
> Please report problems to [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> X connection to :0.0 broken (explicit kill or server shutdown).
> 
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What an unusual X error :)

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Re: hwo to find the cd Number for a given package

[Bill Marcum]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 09:18:34AM -0700, belahcene abdelkader wrote:
> Hi every body
> 
> 
> 
> I want to know what is the number of a Sarge Cd for a
> given package ?
> Sure that apt-get knows it, because when I want to
> install a package it asks for a CD.
> I looked   in the Debian Site to find the content of
> CD, I did't find, is there only the iso images ? 
> Yes, with the search procedure you can find the
> package , but not the number of the Cd which contains
> it.
> 
> as an example: the lyx word processor is in the sarge
> package, But not in 10 (ten) first that I downloaded.
> 
> If I knew the Cd, I'd download only that CD.
> 
> The problem of downloading directly the package can
> give a dependance problem it s better to use apt-get,
> instead of dpkg
> 
If you can download cdroms, why can't you set up your sources.list so
you can apt-get from debian.org or a mirror site?


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Re: KMail crashing on startup.

[paunoga]

Hi!,
> On Wednesday 01 September 2004 20:20, Adam Funk wrote:
> > Following various advice received here, I upgraded from testing to
> > unstable today.  Although it kept package kmail back (version
> > 3.2.2-2), something related has changed and kmail now crashes every
> > time I try to start it up.
> >
> > kmail: relocation error: /usr/lib/libkmailprivate.so.0: undefined
> > symbol: _ZN9DwHeaders22AllFieldBodiesAsStringERK8DwString
> >

I think there was a problem with kdelibs4: lots of kde pakages were affected 
because they were kept back when you tried to do an upgrade.  Now the problem 
is fixed in sid so if you do an upgrade (after an update, of course) all the 
kde programs should work.   


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No mail from list

[John Fleming]

Not sure if I can post or not.  I stopped getting mail from this list 2 days
ago.  I've tried unsubscribing, subscribing, and subscribing from another
addy - nada - no email from the list at all, no subscription confirmation or
anything.

Help?  (off-list - reading the archives  via browser is tedious!)  Thanks -
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Re: loggin with iptables, syslog problem

[xavier]

On Wed, Aug 27, 2003 at 10:17:34PM +0200, Rudy Gevaert wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I have the following entry:
> LOGall  --  anywhere anywhere   limit: avg 3/hour burst 
> 5 LOG level debug prefix `IPT INPUT packet died: '
> 
> and the following thing in syslog.conf
> 
> ahmed:/var/log# more /etc/syslog.conf | grep kern
> kern.*  -/var/log/kern.log
> kern.debug  /var/log/iptables
> 
> But nothing gets logged to /var/log/iptabels...  It does show in
> dmesg...
> How can I correctly redirect logs with level "debug" to the
> /var/log/iptables file?
> 


kern.=debug -/var/log/iptables.log


works here.


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Re: Gnuplot 4 on Woody : no Xterm

[Bill Marcum]

On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 03:27:26PM +0200, alberto wrote:
> --
> Please, if possible, send me a copy at:
> albertobig (CHIOCCIOLA)  tiscali (PUNTO) it
> --
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> I have downloaded and compiled gnuplot 4 from sources. 
> Everything seems to be working...but X! 
> At start, I et the message: 
> 
>   Terminal type set to 'unknown'
> 
> Infact, If  I try to set X as terminal: 
> gnuplot> set term X11
>   ^
>  unknown or ambiguous terminal type; type just 'set terminal'
> for a list
> 
> The thing is, that file /usr/src/gnuplot-4.0.0/term/x11.trm, exists. 
> Any idea how to fix this? 
> 
 x11.trm exists, but maybe X11.trm does not?


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Re: raid 1 setup.

[Roger]

Alexei Chetroi wrote:
 See http://alioth.debian.org/projects/rootraiddoc/ for some docs
regarding root on raid. I don't know about raidtools2, but mdadm may
operate without config file at all, if you know what're you doing. See
man mdadm, it contains all you need to know. For example, assuming you
have two drives /dev/hda and /dev/hdc having two partitions part1
and part2 of type 0xfd (raid autodetect) on each drive. Than to create raid1,
mirror with mdadm you do next:
mdadm --create /dev/md/0 --level raid1 --raid-devices 2 --spare-devices 0
/dev/hda1 /dev/hdc1
 

Thanks for the url
I used this
http://xtronics.com/reference/SATA-RAID-Debian.htm
The magic line for saving your raid config was so
mdadm --detail --scan >> /etc/mdadm/mdadm.conf
After that /proc/md5stat was good.
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Re: USB problems

[Andrew Perrin]

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004, Freddy Freeloader wrote:

> Hi All,
>
> I've been running into problems trying to set up my HP 895 printer via a
> usb cable.  I'm running sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, and have installed
> hpij and hpoj.  When I ran hpoj setup it told me I needed to place the
> line " none  /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0" in my /etc/fstab file.  I
> did that and then ran the hpoj setup again.  It probed all usb ports and
> found nothing.

Forgive the stupid question, but did you do a "mount -a" after adding it
to fstab?


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Re: Usb mouse frozen randomly [solved]

[Paul Johnson]

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Hasan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I was using 2.4.27-1-k7 now upgrade to 2.6.8-1-k7 kernel . And all the
> things perfect and faster now . If anybody have a problem with usb
> optical mouse change your kernel to 2.6  .

I'm running 2.6.8 already and I have that problem still...
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Re: debian system download

[Paul Johnson]

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Hendrik Boom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> On Wed, Sep 01, 2004 at 10:22:27PM -0700, Paul Johnson wrote:
>> <#secure method=pgp mode=sign>
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>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes this glint of hope:
>> 
>> > my father used to work with nasa in huntsville alabama.i'm in
>> > california but i want to use debian,i have the floppy's required to
>> > download but i'm not really computer literate.can you please help
>> > me?
>> 
>> You really don't want to start with floppies unless you absolutely
>> have to.  You might try getting a Debian CD from a friend or local
>> Linux User's Group.  If you have a high speed connection and a CD
>> burner, I strongly suggest the new debian-installer CD, which does
>> most of the heavy lifting for you.
>> 
>> http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/
>> 
>
> If you get CD's, as of the stable release there are seven of them.  Anyone
> know how many for sarge?  In any case, the only one you *really* need
> is the first CD, because it contains enought to get started, including
> the essentials and the post popular software.  The software is sorted
> into CDs roughly by popularity.

If you have a cheap connection to the internet, there's really no
reason to even go as far as downloading more than the 110MB
net-install image...

> And if you can't find anyone else to give you or lend you a CD, try
> the list of CD vendors (which I believe is on the debian site), or

Yes, it is!  http://debian.org/CD/vendors/
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Re: Anyone getting debian forged headers in Email?

[Paul Johnson]

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Silvan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>> alerts and people ignored them due to forged headers. I know it in
>> very unlikely that Debian would do this, but I just despise these
>> tactics, and the people who are putting Debian in a bad light.
>
> Spammers should be locked up and fed nothing but... Spam.  :)

But SPAM (the Hormel product is always capitalized) is good.  Instead,
get that Flavorite Potted Beef Byproduct they sell for 30 cents for
the big can at the inflated downtown Safeway prices...and still
doesn't sell.

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Re: hotplug PS2 keyboard

[Paul Johnson]

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Li Daobing <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> I want to know how to make the PS2 keyboard hotplug.
>
> When the system boot without the keyboard, then when I want to use
> keyboard, the keyboard is out of work. When I want to use keyboard, I
> have to reboot the server with keyboard, I want to know how to avoid
> this.

You can't.  PS/2 devices are detected at boot by the system and no
other time.  If you want a PS/2 keyboard or mouse, you need to have it
attached at power-on.
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USB problems

[Freddy Freeloader]

Hi All,
I've been running into problems trying to set up my HP 895 printer via a 
usb cable.  I'm running sarge with a 2.6.8 kernel, and have installed 
hpij and hpoj.  When I ran hpoj setup it told me I needed to place the 
line " none  /proc/bus/usb usbfs defaults 0 0" in my /etc/fstab file.  I 
did that and then ran the hpoj setup again.  It probed all usb ports and 
found nothing. 

I also found no /usb in /proc/bus either.  However, when the usb cable 
from the printer is plugged in at boot I find khubd is running. (If the 
usb cable is not plugged in boot time khubd does not start.) And when I 
attempt to expand /proc with the gnome file browser it says loading and 
the file browser hangs at that point.  I have to close the file browser 
and reboot it to be able to use it after that.  Also, if I kill khubd at 
that point my file browser or bash terminal will no longer open.

Anyone have any idea as to what is going on here?  I'm pretty new to 
Debian and Linux so I'm kind of at a loss.  I've done some Googling and 
from what I've been able to glean khubd is not a driver I want to be 
using.  How do I get rid of it, and what do I replace it with?  I've 
gone through modconf and find nothing obvious in there. 

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Re: request for inclussion in debian

[Florian Ernst]

Hello!

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 10:06:42PM +0530, P V Mathew wrote:
> I would like clip to be included in Debian.
> Can any one guide me on how to go about it?

Submit a RFP as outlined on ,
section "Using WNPP", either using reportbug or via direct mail.

Unfortunately none of the download links seem to work at the moment,
so I couldn't take a look at it...

Cheers,
Flo


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gnucash compatibility

[Hendrik Boom]

I have machines running different versions of debian -- woody and sarge,
to be specific.  Can I use thg gnucashes in woody and sarge interchangably
on the same data files (which are on an NFS-mounted volume).

The question is really about file-format compatibility.  Will gnucash 1.8.9-2
read and write its database in a way that 1.6.6-1 can understand?

Perhaps it will work if I avoid features unique to 1.8.9-1. But If I
inadvertently use one of the new features in 1.8.9-2, will 1.6.6-1
crash, barf, or ignore?

Does anyone have any experience with this?  It would be convenient to be
able to use any system that happens to be available, but not if it renders
my entire personal financial database unreadable.

-- hendrik



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Re: SPARCStation 20 - can't get back to console from X

[Stefan Frank]

Jan Kesten <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>
> Hi all,
>
> I have installen sarge on a SPARCStation 20 and anythings works fine
> (but slow). I also installed GNOME (okay, this is really slow, but
> doesn't matter) but when my SS comes up and changes into X I can't
> switch back to the console via ALT+CRTL+F1 - the the keys work
> properly in X and on the normal console.
>
> Any hints what's going on?

It _might_ be a bug in the X packages as i have the same problem.
But here it's sid on an UltraSparc 1.

HTH, Stefan


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Re: Problem with apt-get

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 09:39, Matthew Singerman wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I was attempting to install KDE yesterday, but it died halfway through. I
> am now running into very silly problems. When I try it again, I get the
> following:
>
> # apt-get install kde
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> kde: Depends: kdeartwork but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: kdegraphics but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: kdemultimedia but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: kdenetwork but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: kdepim but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: kdeutils but it is not going to be installed
> Depends: quanta but it is not going to be installed
> kdeaddons: Depends: kontact-plugins (>= 4:3.2.3-2) but it is not going to
> be installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
> specify a solution).
>
> running apt-get -f install yields little more:
>
> # apt-get -f install
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Correcting dependencies... Done
> The following extra packages will be installed:
> kontact-plugins
> Suggested packages:
> kdeaddons-doc-html
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> kontact-plugins
> 0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 572 not upgraded.
> 1 not fully installed or removed.
> Need to get 0B/52.4kB of archives.
> After unpacking 188kB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n]
> (Reading database ... 119731 files and directories currently installed.)
> Unpacking kontact-plugins (from .../kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb)
> ...
> dpkg: error processing
> /usr/tmp/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb (--unpack):
> trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so', which is also in
> package kontact
> dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe)
> Errors were encountered while processing:
> /usr/tmp/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb
> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
>
This is a known bug.  
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268892

> Now, if I am reading this properly, it is dying because it's trying to
> overwrite an existing file but it can't. I tried deleting the file and
> giving it another go, to no avail. Nothing is working. Also, if I try to

That's because you removed the file, but package management knows that it's 
supposed to be there, so it won't overwrite it.  If you really want to 
overwrite it, look into the force options.

> remove KDE:
>
> # apt-get remove kde
> Reading Package Lists... Done
> Building Dependency Tree... Done
> Package kde is not installed, so not removed
> You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these:
> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
> kdeaddons: Depends: kontact-plugins (>= 4:3.2.3-2) but it is not going to
> be installed
> E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or
> specify a solution).
>
> So I'm sort of stuck here, unable to go forwards or backwards. I tried
> all sorts of dpkg and dpkg-deb things, including manually extracting the
> package, which worked but didn't register the kontact-plugins package as
> being installed. Is there any way go get out of this situation?!

You need to track dependencies back and figure out what to do.  If you force 
kontact-plugins to be installed, you should be fine.  If you decide you 
don't want kontact-plugins, then remove it from the list of packages to be 
installed.  Oh, but kdeaddons depends on kontact-plugins.  Well, don't 
install kdeaddons, but rather the individual packages that it depends on, 
minus kontact-plugins, of course.  Oh, but kde depends on kdeaddons.  Same 
solution.  With aptitude, this is pretty simple.  Open up the kde package, 
and instead of selecting it to install, select the individual depends lines 
to be installed.  Open up kdeaddons, and do the same.

If that's too hard, just wait until kontact-plugins is fixed.

Hope that helps.
Justin Guerin


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Re: phpinfo.php won't load via apache

[Wayne Topa]

Sergio Basurto([EMAIL PROTECTED]) is reported to have said:
> Can you state again the problem, I can help you but I
> do not understand what exactly the problem is.
> 
> If you are trying to run a php file within a browser
> without the help of a webbrowser it will be difficult,
> is this the problem?
> 

Using mozilla-firefox Ver 0.8
I _can_ execute a php program with
http://my.domain/pipinfo.php
or from a console
php ./phpinfo.php

I _can_not_ load that phpinfo.php file, and get it to run with
File -> Load File.  Should the Load File, in firefox, or any browser,
be able to run the php file?  Others were trying that and firefox was
offering to 'save' the file.  Mine does not do that. Mine brings up a
blank window and hangs the browser.

I seem to recall being able to load/run php files from the File->Load
File when I was using php3.

Thanks

Wayne

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Re: apt-get - unmet dependencies

[Thomas Adam]

On Thu, Sep 02, 2004 at 06:29:22PM +0200, Anders Breindahl wrote:
> processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb 
> (--unpack): 
>  trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so', which is also in 
> package kontact 

http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268892

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Re: kontact & kontact-plugins

[Justin Guerin]

On Thursday 02 September 2004 03:42, Ibrahim Mubarak wrote:
> Hi all,
> Sorry if this subject was discussed before, but I just subscribed today.
>
> I installed Debian Sarge (fresh install w/ kernel 2.6.7) on my new pc the
> past few days (my old mb died on me two weeks ago, hehe). I am using the
> unstable branch to get and upgrade my packages. I tried installing KDE
> and I got some errors while processing kontact-plugins. It was trying to
> overwrite some .o files that were installed by kontact. I ended up using
> the --force-overwrite option with dpkg from within the apt cache folder
> to make it work. Has anyone come across this too?
>
> ib
>
You are not alone.  Check out the bug tracking system at bugs.debian.org.  
Specifically, check out 
http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=268892.  You'll save 
yourself some headaches if you get into the habit of checking the bug 
tracking system before you upgrade.

Justin Guerin


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apt-get - unmet dependencies

[Anders Breindahl]

Hello list. 
 
I was wondering if there is any way to correct this fault in apt-get: 
# apt-get upgrade 
Reading Package Lists... Done 
Building Dependency Tree... Done 
You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these. 
The following packages have unmet dependencies: 
  kdeaddons: Depends: kontact-plugins (>= 4:3.2.3-2) but it is not installed 
E: Unmet dependencies. Try using -f. 
 
The problem is, that I cannot use apt at anything as this fault stops it 
from going anywhere. I have tried the -f switch: 
 
# apt-get -f install 
Reading Package Lists... Done 
Building Dependency Tree... Done 
Correcting dependencies... Done 
The following extra packages will be installed: 
  kontact-plugins 
Suggested packages: 
  kdeaddons-doc-html 
The following NEW packages will be installed: 
  kontact-plugins 
0 upgraded, 1 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. 
307 not fully installed or removed. 
Need to get 0B/52,4kB of archives. 
After unpacking 188kB of additional disk space will be used. 
Do you want to continue? [Y/n] 
(Reading database ... 81569 files and directories currently installed.) 
Unpacking kontact-plugins 
(from .../kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb) ... 
dpkg: error 
processing /var/cache/apt/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb 
(--unpack): 
 trying to overwrite `/usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so', which is also in 
package kontact 
dpkg-deb: subprocess paste killed by signal (Broken pipe) 
Errors were encountered while processing: 
 /var/cache/apt/archives/kontact-plugins_4%3a3.2.3-2_i386.deb 
E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1) 
 
I've also tried `apt-get autoclean'. I've even tried 
removing /usr/lib/kde3/kcm_kontactknt.so, with no result. 
 
So I'm asking the list. Any help is appreciated. 
(Linux 2.6.8.1, sid, wmaker and kde. Debian-mirror: ftp.dk.debian.org) 
 
Regards, Anders Breindahl. 
 


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